5 reasons why I HATE Volvo's EX90 🤔
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- Опубликовано: 17 май 2023
- There's much to love with the EX90, but there's also some things I really don't like.
In this video I'm taking a closer look at the 5 things I HATE with the all new EX90.
recorded 15.05.23
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I too have an XC90 2022 model R Design Pro B5D with all options, full leather, B&W stereo, climate pack, lounge pack etc! Your view of the EX90 is totally the same as mine. Potentially a great car spoilt by limited choice to make it yours. I have a 6th point that a really don’t like and it would even stop me getting one. The panoramic roof is fixed and can’t be opened! That would drive me mad!!! Seeing that roof above you in the video was getting me mad about it. Just don’t understand why they can’t have a roof that opens. Love your videos btw!
Hello. Sounds like you got a pretty amazing XC90 there 😎 Funny you commented about the panoramic roof, because if I should make a point 6 and 7 then the panoramic roof would be no 6 🤣 and no 7 would be the manual adjustment for the cushion extension. Was electric before, and also in my S60. Weird with manual in the new flagship
A dealer in The Netherlands told me that I can order a window shade that can be clicked on to the panoramic roof, to reduce sun light penetration into the car. Sorry, for a 100k+ Euros car I am not going to do that.......
@@volvo_kristian Say whaaaattttt!!!! Manual extensions in the EX 90, my lord!!! I fully agree with all your points. Just hoping for the EX60 to be something worth while but not holding my breath. P*4 fell flat on its face. But if the EX90 has manual seat extensions there's no hope. I want electric adjustable steering wheel and inside mirror as well tied to drivers profile (that works...) thank you. On top of EVERYTHING on the seat adjustments being electric.
So what please - fixed panoramic roof !??! , manual seat ….. i stopped driving xc90 2021 when they skipped this button for drive mode and that was just one thing out of many changes which were not good , but now i really wish Volvo that no one buys this cost saving cars and this new CEO should send back to Dyson immediately and implement his stupid visions on Vacuum cleaner
I was prepared to say you were being harsh BUT, I have to agree with you 100%. Thank you for your insights.
1) Volvo can/should do sustainable sourced leather for a premium/custom order
2) If Volvo want to charge premium prices, they MUST deliver a holistic premium offering
3) If the long delivery window is to ensure the vehicle is of a certain level of reliability, the wait may be worth it
4) Volvo has always been to restrained in the color offerings and that needs to change
Volvo has a history (even with their air-suspension vehicles) of not providing a fully compliant ride compared to their competitors. This needs to change as the prices charged demand an exceptional ride experience.
The BMW Group has never let me down and I suspect the fully electric X5 replacement will blow the EX90 out of the water and address every concern you described.
Hehe 😂 Great to hear I got your support and wasn't too harsh.. As a passionate Volvo enthusiast I expected the EX90 to really push the envelope, and continue the XC90 legacy. Modernised, but better. Now I won't say it's better than my previous XC90.
Regarding the air suspension I hope the EX90 will address this. Now Volvo have equipped it with two chamber air suspension. Instead of the one chamber from XC90.
Let's see.
Excited to see how it turns out when it goes into production.
Hopefully Volvo will have capitalised on access to sister company Lotus and taken some consultancy on ride & handling but we all know that's just an unrealistic dream.
I don't see any reason why a Volvo shouldn't ride and handle well, and even when they don't handle so well, they rarely ride well as a consequence. A Jaguar F-Pace rides and handles very well, regardless of specification, so it can be done.
@@dontcare32123 I think Polestar might with Lotus. Not sure about Volvo. I don't get why Volvo's don't at least ride superbly .They seem like they do on smooth roads but get them on really rough roads and they don't or certain types of roads and things aren't damped as well with more abrupt motions than competitors. I don't think they ride horribly, just not as compliant and composed as they should.
BMW has IX already. It is OK but not as big and very ugly.
A Volvo dealership in The Netherlands also told me about this delivery time joke. Hence I joked about being more interested in Chinese delivery efficiency combined with Swedish quality instead of this Swedish efficiency combined with Chinese quality.
Not a hit, I can tell you that. That guy's look made my coffee tasted cold........
As a long term owner of XC70's I was looking at the EX90 as a potential replacement. The V90 Cross Country has such compomised interior usable space (useless trunk/boot, huge centre tunnel, very rough 4 cylinder engines, riduclous low profile tyres on huge wheels for a car used on rough rural roads / poor surfaces).
My dislikes for the EX90:
1. No leather, it's more environmentally friendly than all these plastics, reusing plastics once just makes the first time users feel better about recycling. Provide decent leather options even support organic farmers, those using stock rotation and no fertilisers. The leather on old Volvos was good, pale colours wiped clean from a range of accidents, was comfortable and enjoyable to use even after many miles. It didn't retain odours, etc.
2. The load floor, apparently the 2nd row seats don't fold completely flat. Apart from the inconvenience of loading long items, it also makes it a pain when stacking boxes etc. and are there accessible tie down fittings forward of the 3rd row? Things need to be secure, even in a 'luxury vehicle'. Also the rear seat bases should be removable, it used to be possible to unclick them.
3. The front seat legroom appears on paper to be less than that for the XC70, not much good for tall people. Although the 1st to 2nd row legroom looks better.
4. The use of the screen for routine and essential buttons and controls. You have to take your eyes off the road to use these. Such vital routine functions should be traditional buttons which barely take a glance to reach and activate, surely ergonomics experts would tell you that functions should be as efficient to operate as possible. Using a screen is dangerous, lazy and cheap. I would like to be able switch off the screen, particularly at night. Can you use the navigation from the steering wheel like older models?
5. The dark plastics, installed even when the seat colours are light coloured, may be part of ramping up production, but the entire interior should be available in a co-ordinated colour. Again a big no-no. Even the protective mats are only available in black, they should be available in the trim colour. They are essential for a multipurpose vehicle, sometimes I leave mine out and use the standard carpet style ones.
6. An opening roof is really nice, that should be availabe too.
7. The use of Data mining software provided by Google, sure its convenient but is it possible to operate it entirely anonymously and for the vehicle data history to auto delete. This has professional implications for those who work in fields subject to strict data protection, e.g. medical professionals whose visits to patients are confidential, and many other roles for a whole variety of reasons. I don't want to cope with a whole other set of data protection risks. IT departments have enough of a job managing encrpted laptops, multi-layer and access methods for apps, etc.
I had to do the factory delivery deal in Sweden to get the options I wanted for my S80 such as red leather and aluminum trim in the USA. Now Volvo has reduced color choices even further as you noted. The EX90 and Polestar 3 version are off my list due poor option choices and delays in availability.
Point On, I Just Hope Volvo is Listening! We are in the US and the wife and I are currently driving the 2023 T8 heavily spec with all the bells and whistles. North of $80,000 I expect lots of Premium Leather and Wood. As a previous owner of 2021 BMW X7 and 2020 Porsche Cayenne S, I'm heavily comparing the XC90 to both. If Volvo continues down this road of cheap, sustainable materials at a premium asking price, then we'll have no choice but to reconsider any future Volvos purchases going forward.
Totally agree with your comments - Volvo will pay a price for the lack of individualisation on such an expensive car in a segment where customers expect to have a choice. The availability of a cloth interior is admirable but it should be a no cost option alongside a nappa leather interior as offered by all competitors to the EX90. As for the limited range of colours, well they are more befitting of something in the Ford Kuga segment. No greens, which are very on trend, just one blue and a dark one at that, no premium paints etc.
I am guessing the steering column is still manually adjustable, which is unheard of in this segment and such as useful feature if you are particularly tall?
A late model XC90 in a good colour with leather interior looks like a great buy compared to its replacement.
I love Volvo like you but I don't appreciate the companies obsession with virtue signalling over luxury and choice. Cloth interiors and limited colours might not deter a potential XC40 owner but they will deter many potential EX90 buyers.
Thanks for the review.
Even the Polestar 3 has an optional Nappa leather interior. I think the steering column is finally electric powered.
@@benjaminsmith2287It is indeed. Same as soft close.
All very good points. Also missing are the grab handles over the doors and an electrically retractable sunroof shade. I really hope Volvo is paying attention to comments online. Have you shared your video with Volvo on Twitter and elsewhere?
Yeah, I'm surprised over the missing sunroof shade.. I've noticed several other manufacturers have started with electrochromatic sunroofs, and therefore don't add a curtain, but I would prefer a curtain.
You perfectly hit the point, Volvo forget what premium market requires, simply, THIS IS NOT A LUXURY CAR. The lack of customizing possibilities, I was a volvo lover but now I am really annoyed by this company, by buying a Volvo you give up something.I am really sad but this car is a hole in the water, ikea interiors, price, range, delivery times, no customizing, dull, gaunt, depressing, unfinished, uncared , miserable, spartan interiors, dead colors.
I repeat, this is not a luxury car.
I have accepted most of Volvos earlier transitions, like going from RWD to FWD and going from boxy to more rounded shapes. I even accepted the switch from 5- and 6 cylinders to 4-cylinders only. Despite all these changes, Volvos has always appealed to me. Especially the 90-series still feels luxurious. Also price was OK a few years back.
Now with vegan leather, bad infotainment, bland looks, boring colors and very limited customization of the cars, I don´t see the point of choosing Volvo. At least not for this price level.
Welcome to "sustainable" material quality. This will be used throughout the future EX lines!
Those seats look super comfortable, and you alluded as much in the things you love video. What real benefits does leather offer? Hot in summer, cold in winter, cracking with age ... I get it that leather is a sturdy and durable material in applications such as shoes, belts, bags and wallets, but as a material to sit on ... I'm not sure. Even with Nappa leather or lambskin sofas we need sofa throws to make them warm/cosier. Imagine leather bedsheets! I know there are perceived benefits of leather being more upmarket and luxurious.
I have vegan leather steering wheel in my V90. I hate it. Not at all the same feeling as the real leather steering wheel I had in my previous Volvo.
I currently own an id.4 while i wait for my ex90.. fully agree on the sunvisors and buttonless user experience.. the id.4 has the same shitty window buttons which are a complete pain to operate, sad to see this has also made its way into the ex90.. towing capacity is pretty good i think, because towing a trailer completely ruins your range, a 700kg trailer in my id.4 reduced the range to 50% of what i usually get.. the same trailer on my previous gmc yukon xl actually resulted in a better gas mileage because i was going slower on the highway! So in all honesty, if you want to pull a trailer on a regular basis, simply forget about any electric car.. i am still excited because im in it for the size.. i miss driving an suv that feels like one and the xc90 looks like it might finally bring the suv experience to electric cars.. we shall see
You are 100% right. Damn.
The cost will have to come down to even be remotely competitive. Cool luxury, but performance and range is severely lacking at that price point.
Damn if you order one today you were not gonna get it until late quarter 2024?! that’s crazy and then also I can’t believe that you can’t open the sun roof
Optisch für mich ein Highlight. Was mir aber fehlt ist belüftete Sitze und Leder.
Add to this no shade for the glass roof. So expensive and no sunshade. The cabins do get very hot.
I don’t like that they’re forcing plastic “leatherette” seats (or plastic fabric 70% polyester 30% wool, like a cheap H&M sweater.
Also the lack of buttons has been taken to the extreme and doesn’t help safe driving and the new steering wheel is worse,
and only two window buttons a la VW ID4?
Non open-able sunroof is also worse
The XC90 is a better car in everything minus maybe the LIDAR. Id go with the XC: better interior with real leather, useful physical buttons, better steering wheel, the sunroof opens
The SPA2 platform that this EX90 is based on has been delayed significantly, 2 years internally and 1 year publicly. I think it will eventually bankrupt the whole company.
Wow, I was thinking about buying EX, but to wait 1+ year... No - happen, not, gonna... I will stop any plans with getting EX, that is downright shameful :/
I've just bought an XC90 B6 before Volvo HQ decides to pull them off from production and start selling EX90 only. They must have gone crazy with these limitations (including the unopennable sunroof). It looks like some "sustainability" nutters took over the management and turned the new gen to an undesirable unfinished product unfortunately.
most of the points raised are trivial..unless you want 7 seater EV now.. Only option I know is Rivian R1S
These are my "complaints" about the EX90... My personal opinion. Based on previous ownership experiences. And also compared to it's competitors in this class. Take the towing capacity. The new Kia EV9 can tow more than this EX90.
@@volvo_kristian I understand that these are your opinions and they are based on previous experiences. To me they do not seem to be big issues. Towing.. I do not think that would be on everybody's list but again if somebody wants towing ..sure go with other options. I do not tow and neither am I planning to tow with gas or electric. To me Kia/Hyundai models look to be designed for youngsters who want the hottest looking gadgets. Again I would not have noticed these were problems until I watched your video so that you for that.
First of all i would like to thank Kristian for his videos and for his love for volvo.
I have a XC60 R-Design MY19 and even if i like my car, i think the competitors are way ahead of Volvo. Volvo reinvented itself after Ford and was on the right path with the latest models (XC40 for example) but somehow started to impose too many restrictions. One after the other. People that buy cars in this premium segment, like to have at least a couple of options for their own taste.
The graphics of the infotainment system or the cluster's car in Volvo for example... everything is so poor and simple... everything so watery ... look at a bmw x3 or a x5 or a GLE or a Glc... audi models or even Porsche, the amount of technology way ahead... way better... more sophisticated, more stylish, more refined, more sportive... it seems Volvo is getting like a brand for old pussi** ... it even irritates me sometimes.
And if a bmw or an audi is not less safe than a Volvo, so why Volvo needs to be less dynamic than a bmw or an audi?? my XC60 sucks the way it corners. Nice car overall but the way it handles... while cornering... driver doesn't feel the road... it is such a filtered steering wheel... it doesn't communicate what is going on the road while cornering more aggressively... seems like Volvo thinks so much in safety that took away the unpredictable sharpness and reaction of the wheels... everything so numb and filtered.
Typical philosophy of old people that just want to relax while cruising and can't be surprised, if by any chance someone gets scared and turns steering wheel more quickly and have an instant reaction from the car's direction ... to prevent this, volvo dedicated its know-how of safety and created numb cars dynamically speaking.
and nothing is worst than a "numb car" for people that like to drive from time to time, more enthusiastically.I like suvs but I also like driving. and I appreciate some good twisted roads.
in the past Volvo had great engines. look at them nowadays. only 4 cyl. colours are boring and interiors not as special as the others competitors.
I could go on and keep going. The only thing I like in this ex90 is the rear lights and especially the front ones. and the seats with Bowers and Wilkins incorporated. All the rest for me is a big no. it's a xc90 with a different front and tail lights.
If Volvo keeps going down this path for sure my last Volvo forever. and another thing that i think... ex90 really but really isn't worth the price. For that price range i would go to a X5 or a Porsche or a GLE. Not saying ex90 is bad but for me it really doesn't worth spending that amount of money and the time of waiting for a Ex90.
Lately Volvo is getting boring and too bossy. no leather, no top maximum speed, no this no that... no hybrids after 2030 or 2035, (I'm not sure which year) no diesel already, no combustion in a few years, etc.
seems like Volvo plan to make cars without getting assured everything is running OK , and then releases a bunch of software updates over the years. My XC60 is from 2018 and from that year to today, it still is getting a list of updating issues... like for example Drivetrain optimisation adjustments. for real?
See also what happened with Google Android automotive incorporated in these recent models. A lot of bugs and problems with the system. I think Volvo is letting Chinese people of Geely decide its future. A bad future for me in my opinion.
Of course that Geely owns Volvo. so now no one can do nothing about it.
For me I am out of Volvo forever. I am just waiting 2 more years and I'll go to the Germans.
You have to wait for the Rivian too. So get over the wait,
Success is when people raise point on small stupid things . Smells success to me ❤
Weird arguments for the 3 last but I understand
I have driven XC90 since 20 years . But 2021 they started obliviously a big cost saving Programm and many function and options were canceled and i stopped driving Volvo . I will definitely not buy this car because Mercedes / Audi / BMW offers much more for this money . Volvo develop more and more to a cheap manufacturer .
I am a Volvo lover but this car has one big defect: the interiors, it looks like an ikea living. That awful dashboard with the phone behind the steering wheel, that non integrated tablet, no buttons at all, the fixed roof is an enormous problem, try to live in a hot country with that... what a STUPID thing.
Vent seats only for some fabric, no rear door courtains, no colors options, not a real blue, or green. This car doesn't look like a 120k € vehicle, it's a rock bottom panda!
And did you know that they have an extra 6 months of delay? What's the point of presenting a car in 2022 to deliver it almost in 2025!
No way to compare it to the xc90!
They resented the car this year and it will be available early 2024. The large glass roof is a great idea and coatings can keep the interior cool.
@@GA-wq8xqo, Volvo will start the production at mid 2024, so delivery times are for late 2024-early 2025.
The panoramic roof is gigantic mistake. For those who don't want the sun over their head there's no choice.
Cost cutting - evident in the higher end 2023 XC60 PE. -Went from a 2020 XC60 PE. Newer car is less luxurious and trim cheapened in too many regards. My next car wil likely NOT be a Volvo given how cheap Volvo is making its interiors, the more budget feeling and how many features are missing. Let the customer decide how environmentally friendly they want their vehicle. Also AAOS is far too banal feeling and complex for even basic features. Bring back Sensus.
Interesting take! Thank you for your honest opinion on this :)
I've gotten into Volvo by getting my customized XC40 D4 a few years back as a company car and just completely loved (almost) everything about it. I can't wait to order me an EX90 as we'd love to go bigger for our hobbies and dogs. It's a lot of cash to put down, so I can hope to scrape up enough to order it some time soon. My thoughts:
- The wait time? Gotten used to it - had to wait a year for the XC40 already...just builds up excitement :D but I agree with you, slightly annoying ;)
- The limited options? I feel overwhelmed by other car manufacturers and how many choices you're given. I feel glad that Volvo takes over a few choices by limiting extreme customizability. Also, it is great in my opinion for going for a used car - not needing to worry about how it was configured. If it had the two or three important packages, it can't be too far off from my "dream configuration".
- Animal-free interior? Sign me up. Market-wise yes, it is a bold move. Personally, I'd even pay the extra to not have any animal-derived material that I have to sit on for a couple of hours during my commute. I much prefer fake leather over real one. As a side note: Technically, the interior is not even vegan if you count in the wool blend seats ;)
Either way: Gorgeous looking car and can't wait to see some on the streets - even if it's just in the summer of 2025 :D
Cheers from Switzerland
Did they improve reliability? Volvo owners are complaining all the time about things that have to be repaired.. it's somehow always circumvented that that is the most important part of the car. No not the ladder or stupid capacity buttons or even the design if you're going to lose your sleep over it
After hearing these points, I must say, unless you are a Volvo Enthusiast, most people will opt for a Porsche or BMW. More customizations. XC90 > EX90..
But even then, I will still stick with my Blue S60 T8 😂🔥
Yeah. Maybe. Right now Porsche doesn't offer a electric huge SUV. And the electric BMW iX aren't available as a 7 seater.. So in the 7 seat premium segment there's not much competition.. But then again. If people should replace their Plug-In Hybrid X5, Cayenne or even XC90, I don't think the EX90 will meet their requirements.. Sadly.
Enjoy your S60 😎 It's a awesome car
@@volvo_kristian 7 seats are only a "paper feature"..... how may times and how many people will really use them...?
@@volvo_kristianThe competition is Model X.
@@R1S0.every day for my wife’s kids (okay, they are mine too).
That's not true at all.
Ich fahre seit 2005 verschiedene Modellen vom Volvo, ich war immer zufrieden. Dann habe ich dieses Jahr im Februar denn XC90-T8 bestellt und diesen September bekommen. Der neue EX90 Elektro sagt mir gar nichts. Ich hoffe das Volvo in weiterem Hybridh noch baut? Wenn nicht, dann werde ich mir nicht mehr Volvo in Zukunft kaufen.
get the polestar 3
Most people don’t touch the sun visor that much
Spoken as a true motorist (who only drives at night!)
"vegan" seats are just plastic seats.... i cant believe how modern and trendy it became..... buttonless cabin is DEALBREAKER..... no way i would buy a car with this terrible idea... where the hell is safety volvo...? colours are terrible as well.... BORING mix of white, grey and black... remember the times when you could have a RED XC90 R design....? cmon, offer some blue, green, brown.... just look at the Porsche or Audi...
Excuse me but the visor is in fact made out of recycled cow shit. This is good for Mother Nature after all!
the Audi Q8 is a boring, boring, boring car. The reason you can "customize" it is because nothing comes as standard.
At least a fully specced Q8 is cheaper, has shorter delivery times, much better interior etc.
Volvo tried to copy tesla by simplifying things, like you can only open glove box from touchscreen, but they failed. It's more expensive, has worse software and range.
I tried the new Mercedes eqe suv last week and it felt much more as a luxury car. Fully specced, it's cheaper than ex90. Has a smaller boot and no frunk, but everything else is on point
Alle neue E-Autos disign, es sehen alle von Innen einfach Kalt und sehr schlechtes Qualitet. Schaut euch denn Tensla undere modellen, alles Günstig ohne Scharm. Armaturenbrett, Türverkleidung, tach, alles bull shit design.
Tesla wins i think :)
Wins what? Here's 5 things I don't like with the EX90, but there's a long list of what I do like. However with Tesla I'm struggling to find just 3 positives 😄😄
@@volvo_kristian For me atleast 1) much better software , more responsive plus all the features with gaming etc..2) the charging station 3) Already on third or fourth generation of model S/X so no hopefully not causing problem with totally new car
4) much better self driving (all brands ping pong between lanes)
5) I would guess better range and efficiency
6) full leather sits 🙃
7) screen tilting
I love Volvo cars too but they went to crazy with price on the latest models, specifically the polestar.
why worry on waiting?-just buy regular xc90 and when you get yours order trade it in..buy back etc..
Haha 🤣 and that solves everything apparently.. Didn't know the current XC90 was electric