I made up my mind. But going full EV. I'm going for the latest 6 seater Hyundai Santa fe. The new interiors are with abundant features, INTERIOR COMFORT, BUTTONS, and remind of the BEST parts of the top of the line specced /fully loaded Volvo models from 8 -15 years ago. The only compromises will be power, and the hands off, eyes off highway pilot that I will have to give up from upcoming xc90 //ex90 models.
Strange that prices are quoted as the same. In the UK the EV9 starts at £64K and rises to £78K. The EX90 starts at £96K, so a minimum of £30K difference, or £18K if I go for the most expensive EV9. Not what I would call roughly the same price.
@@KrisRifa that is really bizarre. It ruled out the EX90 as a choice for me. I didn’t even consider it. My EV9 arrives in January! I just pray it doesn’t have the issues and reliability problems of my Audi Q4. Keep up the great of work, and Happy Nee Year.
In Sweden it’s 997k for the base Volvo and 869k for the launch edition EV9. If you want a similar spec Volvo it’s 1,1 million Swedish kronor for the Volvo. And I’ve driven my EV9 in cold weather and really bad weather, there’s no problems with the EV9 preconditioning of the battery. If I activate the preconditioning 50 min before charging I get maximum charging speed every time. To compare with my tesla that starts preconditioning about 1h20min before in the same conditions.
When I compare the Volvo EX90 (non-performance, but Twin Motor) to Kia EV9 specs in Finland, I get 114.000 EUR price versus 89.000 EUR. That is +25.000 EUR. I will miss amazing B&W, fancy Pixel lights and perhaps some quality in EV9. I will miss electric captain seats with relaxation mode and the spacious 3rd row in EX90. So, in the end, I'm down to material quality between the two. Can I justify spending 25.000 EUR more? Is the quality in Volvo really that high compared to EV9? It is a rhetorical question, I think. When I asked for a quote for the Volvo, I got the price of 116.000 EUR, including winter tires with rims and a towing bar (with all possible discounts). When I asked for a quote for the Kia, I got the price of almost 90.000 with everything included. I couldn't find a reason to spend 26.000 EUR more and went with EV9. Not to mention 7 year warranty from Kia. I bought EV9, and with the current interest rates, I will pay ~800 eur/month for the principal loan for 6 years. In five years (my plan to keep the car), I will repay at least 48000 EUR. Will I be able to sell EV9 for 42000 EUR after 5 years? I'm sure I will. What extra risks might I have? With 7 years warranty - none. Even new buyer will retain two more years hassle free ownership. With Volvo risks are much higher after 3 years warranty, including Air Suspension, Pixel Lights, and more. Kia will offer LiDAR (available in Korea) with EV9 GT (EU approval pending). But LiDARs are still very limited and need more time for users to benefit from them, that is not an advantage for me. Being practical - EV9 is the obvious choice. Money is not a problem? Well, for that, we still have first-class tickets 🙃 Still, Volvo is a great car. I had S90 (latest model) for 4,5 years and was willing to switch to EX90 as I was in love with Volvos. But Kia made something unique by all means and took me away to their camp!
In many markets the EV9 comes with a Meridian sound system, is that available in Finland? The problem with LIDAR, is the sensors get dirty and stop working. Volvo doesn’t appear to offer any sort of cleaning for their sensors. It’s not really a problem in warm snow free countries but with all the crud cars in Northern Europe get covered in the LIDAR sensors stop working until you clean them.
It's an unfounded statement that LiDAR is still "very limited". Regardless, EX90 is a Chinese car, which is light years ahead of any other country in terms of EV platforms. If Volvo continue to benefit from Chinese designs in their software, EV9 cannot compete, period.
@@MasterChief37 the cosmetics are still Swedish though for the most part.... Don't think it's a negative Asian markets in general are very practical and competition means better product. It's a shame luxury MVPs are never imported into the US.
The AWD GT makes 0-100 in 5.3 and not 6s. Also, 899k NOK is.. GT Line, includes everything for the 7 seater. Do you get a steering wheel for the 899k NOK on the Volvo? :)
I thought the EX90 was going to be available 3Q 2024. I think it is in the USA but it is being built there as well. It's ridiculous that volvo doesn't have an EX90 for journalists to drive. Polestar managed to drive people around in a Polestar 3 and Polestar 4 during the recent Polestar Day in California. Volvo needs to step it up in terms of getting this car to market. I understand wanting to get it right. But it was introduced a year ago and 3 years to customers is way too long after any introduction. As for the comparison, well done. But it's clear that the Volvo is in a different rung as a car. Functionally, the EV9 is better, seems to have more room.
At 8:25 I would SERIOUSLY want to know on what actual fact is the poor preconditioning of EV9 battery pack is based on? I have factually just 1½ weeks ago done charging test on a EV9 in -4c degrees and pulled a 64.04kW charging session at a Ionity station in 21 minutes from 17% to 78% maintaining a 182.97kW average and 216kW peak charging speed. My experience on -25c degrees on a EV6 I've still managed to get all the way up to some 215-220kW peak power and 25min 10-80% sessions. Would not describe that poor. Would describe that absolutely world leading in this price range.
That sounds nice, but that’s not my experience with E-GMP precondition. I’ve made tons of videos on how poor they perform. Just check out all my Ioniq 5, 6 and EV6 videos.
I agree, complete bullsh.. I've charged my EV9 on a 200kw charger 14%-80 in 24 minutes when it was around -4 degrees c. I know Kris Rifa is a sucker for Volvo but this video is more biased and incorrect than what I've seen before. Also the price comparison is just stupid wrong, at least in Sweden where I bought my EV9 for 870 000 SEK incl tow hitch electric, 6 seat version. The EX90 with the same equipment somes in at around 1200 000 SEK.
@@KrisRifathere’s no problems with the preconditioning of the EV9. I’ve got the same results many times with my EV9. I activate it 50 min before charging in -10 degrees and get full charging speed. Also you will only get 250 kWh charging speed from the Volvo at a tesla supercharger. Otherwise it peeks at 200. You need the higher amps to get the full 250 with the Volvo and today it’s only Tesla that delivers that with a 400 V system. So for you to get 10-80% in 32min with the Volvo you have to charge at tesla, otherwise it will most likely be around 40 min. The EV9 have delivered an average of 180 kWh on all 800V chargers that I’ve tested.
Not only in designwise, in mechanical & electric.ekectronic,battery tech wise Kia&Hyundai is leading EVs. Actually they are the only rival n can compete with Tesla.
Thanks Kris for the comparison between the EX90 and the EV9. I frankly love the design and aesthetics of the EV9 and the space is strikingly huge! The EX90 to many who have said is very similar to the XC90, with some significant tech changes which I think is a good sign. However, after having driven a 2004 XC90 2.5T FWD for 18 long years without a single accident or a major incident “safety” by far is an absolute critical feature. Most EVs nowadays have their center console displays, multiple IHUs to make the entire experience a bit more personal. At the end of the day, I am all for sensors and cameras and radars if they are well integrated, user acceptance tested and works reasonably well. I’d love for you to compare these two models with the Lucid Gravity. I am finding the Gravity to be an absolute bad assery SUV in its genre! 😄
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada I really enjoyed the video unfortunately neither as here they are close to each other in price im waiting for the chevy blazer ev 1RS
EV9 over the EX90, without a doubt... not even close. Much better interior for the driver in the EV9 -- climate controls and other important controls outside of the main touchscreen, and MUCH better design and layout of instrument panel and infotainment screen in the EV9. Volvo/Polestar have failed utterly in their interiors, making them not only ugly and unpractical but very unsafe to use (like fingering your cellphone while driving). The EV9 presumably charges much faster, as well.
@@js2009-g9f The EV9 has just scored a full 5 stars in NCAP ratio with prime percentages in each segment. The EV9 is ranked as super safe car in the chars if you compare to some of the highest scoring cars its easily in the top competition.
What about the main point. Reliability. Some Volvo owners have tens of repairs during the ownership of the vehicle and dust as an example people who buy Honda like myself have zero. I'm into 13 years of ownership of Honda CRV and never had a single thing break.
To be honest...maybe not many differences in that regards except for branding and maybe some nicer materials. But all in all they MAY be quite similar in how premium they are. A range rover vogue for example is also perceived as more luxurious than a b,w x7 and yet they perform rather similar. But that's just my simple take on it
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@@KrisRifaby the time the EX90 comes out if will be outdated. It won’t be a new vehicle it will be a 2-3 year old vehicle with 2-3 year old technology.
The real elephant in the room is the X-Peng G9, its one of the best looking SUVs to date, its outstanding value for money, charges faster than anything else on the market, has decent range and an interior which is easily as good if not better than the Germans, which puts it well above Volvo and Kia. When NAF did their range test they went over WLTP by 13%. The only downside is the towing weight, it’s less than the KIA. I would pick the G9 over fat Etron, EV9 and EX90.
@@KrisRifa the 3rd row space is ALOT roomier in the EV9. I visited the pre-show to see the EX90 and made myself sit behind myself on the 2nd and 3rd row after setting up the drivers seat. I have no adjustment on the 2nd row - it has to be all the way back and makes no chance even thinking about going on the 3rd row. In Kia there is like 5-10cm room to adjust the 2nd row forward and still have basicaly same room as in the volvo but I can fit comfortably in the 3rd row. EX90 is not a true 3row large SUV. It is closer to a sorento if you need all 3 rows in terms of passanger comfort. EV9 is unbeatable in that regard + EV9 offers optional 6 seat confuration with further extends the 3rd row comfort since it opens a space for stretching your other leg between the seats. To be noted I am 186-187cm tall adult man.
It makes completely sense to compare these two cars, if you want to drive 100% electric and have 4 or more kids. The only other option would be a Tesla Model X, which is above the €100K range. By the way, I think the larger wheelbase on the Kia explains why it feels comfartable on bumpy roads.
Volvo has really lost their way big time. Having driven most of their line up since my boss loves Volvo and we only have Volvos as company cars I have to say: Yes they are really really safe. They are probably THE vehicle I would most like to be in when I have a crash at any given time. The differences compared to other cars arent that big though. They will get a certain market with the safety aspect, sure, like my boss who owes his life to a Volvo back in the 90s. Buuut, especially here in Germany their proposition just doesnt make sense. They are priced on Mercedes / BMW level but limit the top speed to 180 km/h. You can have a beast like my bosses XC90 Recharge with like 450 PS and it can only go 180 km/h, slower than my Mazda MX5 could go from the 90s. In literally every country on the planet this could not have less of an impact, but in Germany of all places. I have had friends with little front wheel drive 3 series BMWs with much less power just leave me for dust on the Autobahn because they could hit 220 and I was restricted to 180 km/h. If I had bought that car Id be fuming. I was fuming even though it was not my own car. Other stuff too. The infotainment screen is a joke in 2023. Its literally the same design as the XC90 in 2017. Lazy. I can excuse lazy if the car is cheap. I can excuse features been given over updates then taken away again. I can excuse Apple Car Play only over wired. I can excuse cheap sensors which go crazy all the time and see ghosts everywhere. On a cheap 20k car. Not on a 60-100k Volvo. Volvo lives in a world of their own, where they are the cool guys and on the same level as Mercedes and BMW. These guys laugh their asses off to Volvo. Its not even close. They need a reality check, and fast. I really love the brand in many ways but they are currently their own worst enemy.
Well, Volvo is much less safe than it used to be because of the emphasis on using the touchscreen while driving for so many things, including climate controls. Driving a Volvo is like using a smartphone actively while driving. That is NOT safe. Volvo has lost their way in terms of safety. It seems absurd to make a car have strong safety features in its structure (metal shell) but then fail miserably in preventing preventable accidents by taking away physical buttons/dials. Makes zero sense to me. (Oh, and I'm a current Volvo owner, '22 XC60, so I know pretty well how unsafe Volvo has made these vehicles, and the EX90 looks to be far, far less safe than my XC60 is. And, no, voice commands do NOT make up for loss of buttons! Especially when your infotainment screen is out, as if often the case in modern-day Volvos, when you can't even ACCESS voice commands at all, never mind whether voice commands work, or if you need to interupt phone calls or in-car conversations or listening to radio/music in order to have to talk to TRY to get the car to do what you want it to do!)
@@cbatiau2528 true. You can use Google assistant and it's usually pretty good but you feel like a knob everytime you use it. What felt most unsafe was the constant phantom danger danger of my latest XC40. This thing sees danger everywhere and sometimes just slams the brakes which is incredibly dangerous if someone is following too close. Most of the time nowadays I can anticipate it now but I should not have to calculate the stupidity of a 60k Volvo.
180 km limit matters in few coutries than Germany. Volvo has updated their system constantly going from Sensus to Google and have OTA updates. But now they have a new, up-to-date system in the EX90 and EX30. The EX90 is delayed due to the pandemic and to Volvo trying to get the software correct. I think Volvo are doing fine. There are plenty others struggling since the pandemic as well as transitioning to BEVs.
@@drphilphil1 I don't agree about Volvo being unsafe due to menus. If that's the case, Mercedes, BMW and others are unsafe as well. It's not optimal though. I do agree about the phantom braking. Sounds Tesla-esque actually. Is there a way to turn it off?
I subscribe every single word. The ex90 has a dashboard from an horror movie, no customizing possibilities, a damn fixed glass roof. Try to live in a hot country and tell me if you like it. We have an xc90 and a c40 in family, I know what I am talking about. Rear passengers have always sun in their eyes. It's a massive bullshit. Few and dull colors, no sense of luxury at all, the ex90 will be a catastrophic image harm for the brand. They decided to exit from the luxury market, because the ex90 has the finishing touches of a washing machine, keeping the price of a luxury car. It's only electric. It's enormous. It will hit the market two years after its debut. All the ingredients for a perfect storm are there. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
Going to stick with my xc90 hybrid for now. Waiting for 2 hand EV9 or EX90, here in Brazil the EVs are taking a big hit from those that buy without clear understanding. As an example: Most of our "fast chargers" are 60kw, a few from volvo and audi hit 150kw.
The big potential plus of the EX90 is that it will have LiDar. The EV90 was supposed to but it ended up getting striped out of the US models. The unkown is whether Volvo will actually take advantage of the LiDar in the US with true self driving or if it will be watered down to not being any different than everyone else (except Tesla). But Volvo blew it with all their delays. By the time they come to market at the end of '24 or in '25, there will be so many other options and potentially amazing competition line the Lucid Gravity.
It sounds like the EV9 is available right away in Norway, is it? It is probably a 1 year wait (Q4 2024) in Canada if one was not successful in the Aug 3rd 2023 online Kia lottery and one would like to walk in and purchase one at a dealer.
You are comparing top spec EV9 to entry price of EX90. The base price of EV9 in Norway is 739.900 and a fully specced EV9 is going to be 20-30% cheaper than a EX90 with the same features
Is the towing capacity actually 2,500 kg (5,512 Lbs)? In North America the capacity is listed as 5,000 Lbs (2,268 kg), what has been changed to allow the additional 512 lbs in Norway?
EV9 does 0-100km/h in 4.7 in reality. Dont know where you got 6 sec from but it's certainly wrong. Also Volvo is well known to over promise and under deliver, been that way for at least 25-30 years. Kia is the other way around, so I would not be surprised if the real world range of the EV9 turns out to be better than the 2.8 ton Volvo lump. Btw, I took delivery of my EV9 Nov 24 and it's great. Had the Ford Explorer PHEV before which was also great but it can't compare to EV9. Before that was the XC60 T8 which is easily the most problem filled car I've ever had and the reason why that was my last Volvo...
@@supra800 sure, but that requires a 32A circuit which most people don’t have in their home. 11kW would charge these cars from 0-100% in less than 10 hours. That’s why nobody really talks about 22kW.
@@JohnLee-db9zt kia is mainstream and cheaply built don’t forget the recalls and first starting evs and ice vehicles! They’re the most stolen vehicles! And not safe as Volvo
in my country the ev9 is cheaper than the Volvo e90 about 25k € ...with the difference of price i can afford a cheaper ev . and in terms of specs between the ev9 and the Volvo ex90 in my opinion worth more the ev9 mainly for the comfort that it has ... I own a 2022 model xc90 t8 and I notice a big difference in terms of comfort and drive experience in comparison to the kia ev9. I decided to order the ev9 long range because I have financial benefits due to VAT recovery and I´m going to keep the xc90 and sold my c40 .... I have a big family and its important for us have big cars because our daily life is to pick up the children several times a day and for that is important to have space for school and gym bags , musical instruments (like guitars) , and for too much things its the perfect car for a family can have. the big travels that we made ,its only in vacations so , for that we're going to travel in the xc90 because we don't need to be limited to the time wait to charge an ev. too much electric cars for a few chargers across the country. Portugal is insane. lol... btw and you mentioned in the video , the situation here is the same....almost a year to wait for the ex90. that's the time for the brands develop a bigger battery with more range. So it doesn't worth at all to choose the Volvo ex90 instead of the kia ev9. too many years with Volvo but for sometimes we have to admit that there are other great solutions.
Yes, but then it will be a simple match Volvo EX90 wins and I will guarantee to buy it in twin motor Performance version with 517 horsepower.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
My honest thought on EX90 being so late is that Volvo is seriously pressing the panic button here. En even by pressing it they still cant seemt to bring the car to the marker bith some basic 10 year old tech ready like carplay/AA ready in cars software. Kia made such a mad good product that Volvo is having haaaaaaard time selling that EX90 for actual families. Families value practical space, trunk space reliability and when you got the sweet children to hande and you wanna stay stable in finances that warranty is a dealbreaker. 7 years vs 3. Kia easy choice here. 1st Kia customers have had their EV9 almost for a year now and Kia has learnt in terms of campagns as well. EX 90 will be RAW i mean seriously RAW experience for the 1st 6 months at least untill they get major stuff fixed while their 100.000 spent customers work for free as test dummies and test techs. Ridiculous.
the ev9 is way too overpriced in Norway, in other markets the ev9 is way cheaper. If i had 1 million nok i would rather take the ex90 or polestar 3 over the ev9.
In the most simple terms it it is “fake” or simulated leather. But as I explain in the video, this is nothing like plastic or pleather. It looks and feels very close to nappa leather, one of the finest qualities of leathers used in cars. So now and moving forward, it is much more nuanced than just “fake” leather. I am very impressed by this material in the EV9
Non of them! No EV for me again. After 5 year Tesla model 3 I’m switching over to BMW X5 50E. (Plugin) I realized that the tech of EV is still evolving and not ready for at least 5-10 years.
@@KrisRifa every AWD models have option of having the 700nm torque upgrade from 600nm. GT-line cars have 700nm torque as standard but you can have it on any AWD model you choose.
EV9 all day long. Volvo’s are so boring. The EV9 looks like it’s from the future. The EX90 is just another take on Volvo’s vanilla design philosophy. Plus the interior it just meh. Kia has been coming out with some amazing vehicles.
No, it is not. It's a Swedish company with a Chinese parent company. And it is headquartered in Sweden where most of the people who have input into their cars work. Geely is more of a financial backer to Volvo and they collaborate on some technologies and investments.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Chinese people are smart. Five years later, all of Volvo's technology and brand value will be absorbed by the Chinese, and Sweden will be a mere shell. Like an insect being eaten by a parasite lol.
@benjaminsmith2287 Toyota has company in US and Americans work there so Toyota is American company according to your logic. Samsung factories is in India so Samsung is own by India
@@TomTomdog Read my comment again. Who owns what company doesn't change the nationality of the purchased company unless that parent company dilutes them. Unless you know the exact nature of the acquisition, you're not in a knowledgeable position to comment on the nationality of the company. Sweden is Volvo's home and what they operate out of. Not China. China is Volvo's second market. Europe is Volvo's first market. And Volvo is not full of Geely personnel, they're full of Volvo personnel regardless of where they are. I've been driving Volvos for 4 decades or more and today's Volvos don't feel any less Swedish than the ones they made when they were owned by Volvo AB in Sweden. The Geely influence is mostly financial.
If it’s made in China it should be cheaper ! Ev9 for sure ! I’m sucker for design but I think ev9 is better in some way , lesson learn. From buying Mazda and cls , beauty higher cost but in term of performance , it’s just skin deep there are so much better car out there , price , tech , performance , quality , the Korean and the Chinese are sending it to the world ,the Japanese , Germans , doesn’t have added value anymore , you’re not gonna keep your car for life , that’s for sure 5 years top and you’ll be playing with new toys , so don’t get fooled by the dealers saying quality , premium shit and all , that’s just rubbish . We’re not paying 200k or million dollar car here , it’s sub 100k below !
I ve owned a XC90 with zero problem. I d go Volvo. Design wise, in 3-4 years, the EV9 will look weird and outdated. That design is never going to last through time. The Volvo will still look good in 10 years in my opinion.
Go and sit in them and your head will be turning. The seats are some of the best i've ever sat in a car and I drove S-class mercedes between 2016-2020 as a profession daily.
The choice for me and my family is the Kia EV9. I've been driving the car for two months now and I'm very satisfied.
Same, my EV9 GT-Line is the best vehicle I’ve ever owned (including BMWs and Volvos).
Really simple answer !!!
the KIA is all options at 86k€ when the EX90 is starting at over 100 k€ !!!!
Prince gap is much closer in US. Fully-loaded Kia EV9 GT-Line is about $75K before various fees and the Volvo starts at $78K.
I made up my mind. But going full EV. I'm going for the latest 6 seater Hyundai Santa fe. The new interiors are with abundant features, INTERIOR COMFORT, BUTTONS, and remind of the BEST parts of the top of the line specced /fully loaded Volvo models from 8 -15 years ago.
The only compromises will be power, and the hands off, eyes off highway pilot that I will have to give up from upcoming xc90 //ex90 models.
Strange that prices are quoted as the same. In the UK the EV9 starts at £64K and rises to £78K. The EX90 starts at £96K, so a minimum of £30K difference, or £18K if I go for the most expensive EV9. Not what I would call roughly the same price.
As strange as you may find it, the prices here are the prices. And they are priced very closely.
@@KrisRifa that is really bizarre. It ruled out the EX90 as a choice for me. I didn’t even consider it. My EV9 arrives in January! I just pray it doesn’t have the issues and reliability problems of my Audi Q4. Keep up the great of work, and Happy Nee Year.
In Sweden it’s 997k for the base Volvo and 869k for the launch edition EV9. If you want a similar spec Volvo it’s 1,1 million Swedish kronor for the Volvo.
And I’ve driven my EV9 in cold weather and really bad weather, there’s no problems with the EV9 preconditioning of the battery. If I activate the preconditioning 50 min before charging I get maximum charging speed every time. To compare with my tesla that starts preconditioning about 1h20min before in the same conditions.
@@gustavgyll3291 Great to hear. Thanks for the information
When I compare the Volvo EX90 (non-performance, but Twin Motor) to Kia EV9 specs in Finland, I get 114.000 EUR price versus 89.000 EUR. That is +25.000 EUR. I will miss amazing B&W, fancy Pixel lights and perhaps some quality in EV9. I will miss electric captain seats with relaxation mode and the spacious 3rd row in EX90. So, in the end, I'm down to material quality between the two. Can I justify spending 25.000 EUR more? Is the quality in Volvo really that high compared to EV9? It is a rhetorical question, I think.
When I asked for a quote for the Volvo, I got the price of 116.000 EUR, including winter tires with rims and a towing bar (with all possible discounts). When I asked for a quote for the Kia, I got the price of almost 90.000 with everything included. I couldn't find a reason to spend 26.000 EUR more and went with EV9.
Not to mention 7 year warranty from Kia. I bought EV9, and with the current interest rates, I will pay ~800 eur/month for the principal loan for 6 years. In five years (my plan to keep the car), I will repay at least 48000 EUR. Will I be able to sell EV9 for 42000 EUR after 5 years? I'm sure I will. What extra risks might I have? With 7 years warranty - none. Even new buyer will retain two more years hassle free ownership.
With Volvo risks are much higher after 3 years warranty, including Air Suspension, Pixel Lights, and more.
Kia will offer LiDAR (available in Korea) with EV9 GT (EU approval pending). But LiDARs are still very limited and need more time for users to benefit from them, that is not an advantage for me.
Being practical - EV9 is the obvious choice. Money is not a problem? Well, for that, we still have first-class tickets 🙃
Still, Volvo is a great car. I had S90 (latest model) for 4,5 years and was willing to switch to EX90 as I was in love with Volvos. But Kia made something unique by all means and took me away to their camp!
In many markets the EV9 comes with a Meridian sound system, is that available in Finland?
The problem with LIDAR, is the sensors get dirty and stop working. Volvo doesn’t appear to offer any sort of cleaning for their sensors. It’s not really a problem in warm snow free countries but with all the crud cars in Northern Europe get covered in the LIDAR sensors stop working until you clean them.
It's an unfounded statement that LiDAR is still "very limited". Regardless, EX90 is a Chinese car, which is light years ahead of any other country in terms of EV platforms.
If Volvo continue to benefit from Chinese designs in their software, EV9 cannot compete, period.
@@js2009-g9f don’t mention to Kris that Volvo is Chinese he won’t be happy.
@@MasterChief37 the cosmetics are still Swedish though for the most part.... Don't think it's a negative Asian markets in general are very practical and competition means better product. It's a shame luxury MVPs are never imported into the US.
@@js2009-g9f "Chinese EVs are light years ahead of any other," good joke!
Kia without a doubt
The AWD GT makes 0-100 in 5.3 and not 6s. Also, 899k NOK is.. GT Line, includes everything for the 7 seater. Do you get a steering wheel for the 899k NOK on the Volvo? :)
I thought the EX90 was going to be available 3Q 2024. I think it is in the USA but it is being built there as well. It's ridiculous that volvo doesn't have an EX90 for journalists to drive. Polestar managed to drive people around in a Polestar 3 and Polestar 4 during the recent Polestar Day in California. Volvo needs to step it up in terms of getting this car to market. I understand wanting to get it right. But it was introduced a year ago and 3 years to customers is way too long after any introduction.
As for the comparison, well done. But it's clear that the Volvo is in a different rung as a car. Functionally, the EV9 is better, seems to have more room.
I seriously doubt they will have EX90's in consumers hands in the US in Q3.
I will keep the Kia EV9 for off road, picnic and Beach.😊
At 8:25 I would SERIOUSLY want to know on what actual fact is the poor preconditioning of EV9 battery pack is based on? I have factually just 1½ weeks ago done charging test on a EV9 in -4c degrees and pulled a 64.04kW charging session at a Ionity station in 21 minutes from 17% to 78% maintaining a 182.97kW average and 216kW peak charging speed. My experience on -25c degrees on a EV6 I've still managed to get all the way up to some 215-220kW peak power and 25min 10-80% sessions. Would not describe that poor. Would describe that absolutely world leading in this price range.
That sounds nice, but that’s not my experience with E-GMP precondition. I’ve made tons of videos on how poor they perform. Just check out all my Ioniq 5, 6 and EV6 videos.
I agree, complete bullsh.. I've charged my EV9 on a 200kw charger 14%-80 in 24 minutes when it was around -4 degrees c. I know Kris Rifa is a sucker for Volvo but this video is more biased and incorrect than what I've seen before. Also the price comparison is just stupid wrong, at least in Sweden where I bought my EV9 for 870 000 SEK incl tow hitch electric, 6 seat version. The EX90 with the same equipment somes in at around 1200 000 SEK.
@@KrisRifathere’s no problems with the preconditioning of the EV9. I’ve got the same results many times with my EV9. I activate it 50 min before charging in -10 degrees and get full charging speed.
Also you will only get 250 kWh charging speed from the Volvo at a tesla supercharger. Otherwise it peeks at 200. You need the higher amps to get the full 250 with the Volvo and today it’s only Tesla that delivers that with a 400 V system. So for you to get 10-80% in 32min with the Volvo you have to charge at tesla, otherwise it will most likely be around 40 min. The EV9 have delivered an average of 180 kWh on all 800V chargers that I’ve tested.
Exterior of EV9 is way way better than EX90!
to each their own but disagree
Not only in designwise, in mechanical & electric.ekectronic,battery tech wise Kia&Hyundai is leading EVs. Actually they are the only rival n can compete with Tesla.
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Thanks Kris for the comparison between the EX90 and the EV9. I frankly love the design and aesthetics of the EV9 and the space is strikingly huge! The EX90 to many who have said is very similar to the XC90, with some significant tech changes which I think is a good sign. However, after having driven a 2004 XC90 2.5T FWD for 18 long years without a single accident or a major incident “safety” by far is an absolute critical feature. Most EVs nowadays have their center console displays, multiple IHUs to make the entire experience a bit more personal. At the end of the day, I am all for sensors and cameras and radars if they are well integrated, user acceptance tested and works reasonably well. I’d love for you to compare these two models with the Lucid Gravity. I am finding the Gravity to be an absolute bad assery SUV in its genre! 😄
I will buy Kia Ev 9
Greetings from southern Ontario Canada I really enjoyed the video unfortunately neither as here they are close to each other in price im waiting for the chevy blazer ev 1RS
EV9 over the EX90, without a doubt... not even close. Much better interior for the driver in the EV9 -- climate controls and other important controls outside of the main touchscreen, and MUCH better design and layout of instrument panel and infotainment screen in the EV9. Volvo/Polestar have failed utterly in their interiors, making them not only ugly and unpractical but very unsafe to use (like fingering your cellphone while driving). The EV9 presumably charges much faster, as well.
Really? Lol.. ev9 not a change
You will definitely notice the diffence if the car has a collision
Lol no
Nope, those days are also over. @@js2009-g9f
@@js2009-g9f The EV9 has just scored a full 5 stars in NCAP ratio with prime percentages in each segment. The EV9 is ranked as super safe car in the chars if you compare to some of the highest scoring cars its easily in the top competition.
What about the main point. Reliability. Some Volvo owners have tens of repairs during the ownership of the vehicle and dust as an example people who buy Honda like myself have zero. I'm into 13 years of ownership of Honda CRV and never had a single thing break.
The EV9 is the best looking SUV.
What specific features does the EX-90 have that makes it more of a luxury vehicle than the EV9?
To be honest...maybe not many differences in that regards except for branding and maybe some nicer materials. But all in all they MAY be quite similar in how premium they are. A range rover vogue for example is also perceived as more luxurious than a b,w x7 and yet they perform rather similar. But that's just my simple take on it
It doesn’t nag as much as the Korean cars 😅
Many... check out their respective web pages for a detailed list... but here are a few:
Air suspension
Bowers & Wilkins Sound system
LiDar
Soft Close doors
22-Inch wheels
@@KrisRifaby the time the EX90 comes out if will be outdated. It won’t be a new vehicle it will be a 2-3 year old vehicle with 2-3 year old technology.
The real elephant in the room is the X-Peng G9, its one of the best looking SUVs to date, its outstanding value for money, charges faster than anything else on the market, has decent range and an interior which is easily as good if not better than the Germans, which puts it well above Volvo and Kia.
When NAF did their range test they went over WLTP by 13%.
The only downside is the towing weight, it’s less than the KIA.
I would pick the G9 over fat Etron, EV9 and EX90.
The ex90 is actually a five seater suv, just look at its wheelbase. The third row in the ev9 is much roomier than the ex90’s.
@@REALjackiehu that’s not true
@@KrisRifa the 3rd row space is ALOT roomier in the EV9. I visited the pre-show to see the EX90 and made myself sit behind myself on the 2nd and 3rd row after setting up the drivers seat. I have no adjustment on the 2nd row - it has to be all the way back and makes no chance even thinking about going on the 3rd row.
In Kia there is like 5-10cm room to adjust the 2nd row forward and still have basicaly same room as in the volvo but I can fit comfortably in the 3rd row.
EX90 is not a true 3row large SUV. It is closer to a sorento if you need all 3 rows in terms of passanger comfort. EV9 is unbeatable in that regard + EV9 offers optional 6 seat confuration with further extends the 3rd row comfort since it opens a space for stretching your other leg between the seats.
To be noted I am 186-187cm tall adult man.
Great job. Thanks
It makes completely sense to compare these two cars, if you want to drive 100% electric and have 4 or more kids. The only other option would be a Tesla Model X, which is above the €100K range. By the way, I think the larger wheelbase on the Kia explains why it feels comfartable on bumpy roads.
With MX you get a choice of buying used and saving 50% or more. No such option with EX90 and EV9
Volvo has really lost their way big time. Having driven most of their line up since my boss loves Volvo and we only have Volvos as company cars I have to say:
Yes they are really really safe. They are probably THE vehicle I would most like to be in when I have a crash at any given time. The differences compared to other cars arent that big though.
They will get a certain market with the safety aspect, sure, like my boss who owes his life to a Volvo back in the 90s.
Buuut, especially here in Germany their proposition just doesnt make sense. They are priced on Mercedes / BMW level but limit the top speed to 180 km/h. You can have a beast like my bosses XC90 Recharge with like 450 PS and it can only go 180 km/h, slower than my Mazda MX5 could go from the 90s. In literally every country on the planet this could not have less of an impact, but in Germany of all places. I have had friends with little front wheel drive 3 series BMWs with much less power just leave me for dust on the Autobahn because they could hit 220 and I was restricted to 180 km/h. If I had bought that car Id be fuming. I was fuming even though it was not my own car.
Other stuff too. The infotainment screen is a joke in 2023. Its literally the same design as the XC90 in 2017. Lazy. I can excuse lazy if the car is cheap. I can excuse features been given over updates then taken away again. I can excuse Apple Car Play only over wired. I can excuse cheap sensors which go crazy all the time and see ghosts everywhere.
On a cheap 20k car. Not on a 60-100k Volvo.
Volvo lives in a world of their own, where they are the cool guys and on the same level as Mercedes and BMW. These guys laugh their asses off to Volvo. Its not even close.
They need a reality check, and fast. I really love the brand in many ways but they are currently their own worst enemy.
Well, Volvo is much less safe than it used to be because of the emphasis on using the touchscreen while driving for so many things, including climate controls. Driving a Volvo is like using a smartphone actively while driving. That is NOT safe. Volvo has lost their way in terms of safety. It seems absurd to make a car have strong safety features in its structure (metal shell) but then fail miserably in preventing preventable accidents by taking away physical buttons/dials. Makes zero sense to me. (Oh, and I'm a current Volvo owner, '22 XC60, so I know pretty well how unsafe Volvo has made these vehicles, and the EX90 looks to be far, far less safe than my XC60 is. And, no, voice commands do NOT make up for loss of buttons! Especially when your infotainment screen is out, as if often the case in modern-day Volvos, when you can't even ACCESS voice commands at all, never mind whether voice commands work, or if you need to interupt phone calls or in-car conversations or listening to radio/music in order to have to talk to TRY to get the car to do what you want it to do!)
@@cbatiau2528 true. You can use Google assistant and it's usually pretty good but you feel like a knob everytime you use it.
What felt most unsafe was the constant phantom danger danger of my latest XC40. This thing sees danger everywhere and sometimes just slams the brakes which is incredibly dangerous if someone is following too close. Most of the time nowadays I can anticipate it now but I should not have to calculate the stupidity of a 60k Volvo.
180 km limit matters in few coutries than Germany. Volvo has updated their system constantly going from Sensus to Google and have OTA updates. But now they have a new, up-to-date system in the EX90 and EX30. The EX90 is delayed due to the pandemic and to Volvo trying to get the software correct.
I think Volvo are doing fine. There are plenty others struggling since the pandemic as well as transitioning to BEVs.
@@drphilphil1 I don't agree about Volvo being unsafe due to menus. If that's the case, Mercedes, BMW and others are unsafe as well. It's not optimal though. I do agree about the phantom braking. Sounds Tesla-esque actually. Is there a way to turn it off?
I subscribe every single word.
The ex90 has a dashboard from an horror movie, no customizing possibilities, a damn fixed glass roof. Try to live in a hot country and tell me if you like it. We have an xc90 and a c40 in family, I know what I am talking about. Rear passengers have always sun in their eyes. It's a massive bullshit. Few and dull colors, no sense of luxury at all, the ex90 will be a catastrophic image harm for the brand. They decided to exit from the luxury market, because the ex90 has the finishing touches of a washing machine, keeping the price of a luxury car. It's only electric. It's enormous. It will hit the market two years after its debut.
All the ingredients for a perfect storm are there. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
Going to stick with my xc90 hybrid for now. Waiting for 2 hand EV9 or EX90, here in Brazil the EVs are taking a big hit from those that buy without clear understanding. As an example: Most of our "fast chargers" are 60kw, a few from volvo and audi hit 150kw.
"Fast" in the US also means 50kW but we have "ultra fast" which is 150 and "hyper fast" which is 350.
The big potential plus of the EX90 is that it will have LiDar. The EV90 was supposed to but it ended up getting striped out of the US models. The unkown is whether Volvo will actually take advantage of the LiDar in the US with true self driving or if it will be watered down to not being any different than everyone else (except Tesla). But Volvo blew it with all their delays. By the time they come to market at the end of '24 or in '25, there will be so many other options and potentially amazing competition line the Lucid Gravity.
The EX90 is prettier but slightly small. Would have appreciated if it was a couple of centimeters taller (180cm+).
It sounds like the EV9 is available right away in Norway, is it? It is probably a 1 year wait (Q4 2024) in Canada if one was not successful in the Aug 3rd 2023 online Kia lottery and one would like to walk in and purchase one at a dealer.
how about warranty comparison?
The Kia, for the reliability
Nope. Volvo better
Is there a reason why I can't get 7 seats with long range on the EV9? Why must they nickel and dime the consumer?
You are comparing top spec EV9 to entry price of EX90. The base price of EV9 in Norway is 739.900 and a fully specced EV9 is going to be 20-30% cheaper than a EX90 with the same features
Is the towing capacity actually 2,500 kg (5,512 Lbs)? In North America the capacity is listed as 5,000 Lbs (2,268 kg), what has been changed to allow the additional 512 lbs in Norway?
Probably marketing trying to find numbers that would be easy for people to remember
I am not sure it's a fair comparison with respect to how these two cars are priced. BTW: there isn't a test drive car of ex90 yet.
EV9 does 0-100km/h in 4.7 in reality. Dont know where you got 6 sec from but it's certainly wrong. Also Volvo is well known to over promise and under deliver, been that way for at least 25-30 years. Kia is the other way around, so I would not be surprised if the real world range of the EV9 turns out to be better than the 2.8 ton Volvo lump.
Btw, I took delivery of my EV9 Nov 24 and it's great. Had the Ford Explorer PHEV before which was also great but it can't compare to EV9. Before that was the XC60 T8 which is easily the most problem filled car I've ever had and the reason why that was my last Volvo...
Funny, I'm also switching from Ford Explorer PHEV 2021 to KIA EV9 GT-Line 6 seater. Taking mine first week of January 2024.
Why no one talk about AC level 2 charging? This what most have in there home .
Because all EVs have at least 11kW AC charging. It’s like talking about them having for wheels.
@@KrisRifa there is also 22kw .
@@supra800 sure, but that requires a 32A circuit which most people don’t have in their home. 11kW would charge these cars from 0-100% in less than 10 hours. That’s why nobody really talks about 22kW.
I would for sure go for the Kia. The back of the Volvo is just ugly in my eyes.
Volvo is over priced.
I mean the volvo is a luxury brand vs kia!
@@Quinton0520 Volvo is Chinese crap
@@Quinton0520If I want luxury, I definitely would not get a Volvo. The Volvo is far more expensive than the Kia. This is a stupid comparison.
@@JohnLee-db9zt Volvo is a luxury brand dumbass🤣🤣
@@JohnLee-db9zt kia is mainstream and cheaply built don’t forget the recalls and first starting evs and ice vehicles! They’re the most stolen vehicles! And not safe as Volvo
in my country the ev9 is cheaper than the Volvo e90 about 25k € ...with the difference of price i can afford a cheaper ev . and in terms of specs between the ev9 and the Volvo ex90 in my opinion worth more the ev9 mainly for the comfort that it has ... I own a 2022 model xc90 t8 and I notice a big difference in terms of comfort and drive experience in comparison to the kia ev9. I decided to order the ev9 long range because I have financial benefits due to VAT recovery and I´m going to keep the xc90 and sold my c40 .... I have a big family and its important for us have big cars because our daily life is to pick up the children several times a day and for that is important to have space for school and gym bags , musical instruments (like guitars) , and for too much things its the perfect car for a family can have. the big travels that we made ,its only in vacations so , for that we're going to travel in the xc90 because we don't need to be limited to the time wait to charge an ev. too much electric cars for a few chargers across the country. Portugal is insane. lol... btw and you mentioned in the video , the situation here is the same....almost a year to wait for the ex90. that's the time for the brands develop a bigger battery with more range. So it doesn't worth at all to choose the Volvo ex90 instead of the kia ev9. too many years with Volvo but for sometimes we have to admit that there are other great solutions.
Korean car vs Chinese car
Korean and German cars are my favorite!
Chinese? I thought that they are made in the US
Basically. Third row In the China car is way too small
Korea has high quality in evry aspect
For safety, Volvo is much better
Yoh should buy XC90 B6!
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I will choose the EX 90 hundred time over the EV9 with my 👀👀eyes close
Kia for me
The only choice in my book.
Yes, but then it will be a simple match Volvo EX90 wins and I will guarantee to buy it in twin motor Performance version with 517 horsepower.❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
My honest thought on EX90 being so late is that Volvo is seriously pressing the panic button here. En even by pressing it they still cant seemt to bring the car to the marker bith some basic 10 year old tech ready like carplay/AA ready in cars software. Kia made such a mad good product that Volvo is having haaaaaaard time selling that EX90 for actual families. Families value practical space, trunk space reliability and when you got the sweet children to hande and you wanna stay stable in finances that warranty is a dealbreaker. 7 years vs 3. Kia easy choice here.
1st Kia customers have had their EV9 almost for a year now and Kia has learnt in terms of campagns as well. EX 90 will be RAW i mean seriously RAW experience for the 1st 6 months at least untill they get major stuff fixed while their 100.000 spent customers work for free as test dummies and test techs. Ridiculous.
VOLVO all the way! love the neat and minimalistic scandinavian design but yeah, it is my preference.
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the ev9 is way too overpriced in Norway, in other markets the ev9 is way cheaper. If i had 1 million nok i would rather take the ex90 or polestar 3 over the ev9.
Volvo it’s best and safe car ❤️
I love the EV 9. I hate the term Vegan Leather. It’s fake leather. Leather comes from the hide of a cow. Vegan leather is just plastic or pleather
In the most simple terms it it is “fake” or simulated leather. But as I explain in the video, this is nothing like plastic or pleather. It looks and feels very close to nappa leather, one of the finest qualities of leathers used in cars. So now and moving forward, it is much more nuanced than just “fake” leather. I am very impressed by this material in the EV9
Non of them! No EV for me again. After 5 year Tesla model 3 I’m switching over to BMW X5 50E. (Plugin) I realized that the tech of EV is still evolving and not ready for at least 5-10 years.
EV9 0-100 is 5.3, not 6
EV9 AWD does 0-100KPH in 6,0s as per Kia own website.
@@KrisRifa every AWD models have option of having the 700nm torque upgrade from 600nm. GT-line cars have 700nm torque as standard but you can have it on any AWD model you choose.
EV9 all day long. Volvo’s are so boring. The EV9 looks like it’s from the future. The EX90 is just another take on Volvo’s vanilla design philosophy. Plus the interior it just meh. Kia has been coming out with some amazing vehicles.
Kia EV9❤
EV9 looks like the carnival and the Soul had a child
Volvo is now a Chinese company. not in sweden. 🤣🤣
No, it is not. It's a Swedish company with a Chinese parent company. And it is headquartered in Sweden where most of the people who have input into their cars work. Geely is more of a financial backer to Volvo and they collaborate on some technologies and investments.
@@benjaminsmith2287 Chinese people are smart. Five years later, all of Volvo's technology and brand value will be absorbed by the Chinese, and Sweden will be a mere shell. Like an insect being eaten by a parasite lol.
@benjaminsmith2287 Toyota has company in US and Americans work there so Toyota is American company according to your logic. Samsung factories is in India so Samsung is own by India
@@TomTomdog Read my comment again. Who owns what company doesn't change the nationality of the purchased company unless that parent company dilutes them. Unless you know the exact nature of the acquisition, you're not in a knowledgeable position to comment on the nationality of the company. Sweden is Volvo's home and what they operate out of. Not China. China is Volvo's second market. Europe is Volvo's first market. And Volvo is not full of Geely personnel, they're full of Volvo personnel regardless of where they are.
I've been driving Volvos for 4 decades or more and today's Volvos don't feel any less Swedish than the ones they made when they were owned by Volvo AB in Sweden. The Geely influence is mostly financial.
@benjaminsmith2287 Okay, Chinese holds 80% of Vovol shares. Who cares who owns the company, long as the driver is happy
If it’s made in China it should be cheaper ! Ev9 for sure ! I’m sucker for design but I think ev9 is better in some way , lesson learn. From buying Mazda and cls , beauty higher cost but in term of performance , it’s just skin deep there are so much better car out there , price , tech , performance , quality , the Korean and the Chinese are sending it to the world ,the Japanese , Germans , doesn’t have added value anymore , you’re not gonna keep your car for life , that’s for sure 5 years top and you’ll be playing with new toys , so don’t get fooled by the dealers saying quality , premium shit and all , that’s just rubbish . We’re not paying 200k or million dollar car here , it’s sub 100k below !
Volvo, Volvo for live, Volve for lives.
I ve owned a XC90 with zero problem. I d go Volvo. Design wise, in 3-4 years, the EV9 will look weird and outdated. That design is never going to last through time.
The Volvo will still look good in 10 years in my opinion.
It is already 10 years old with XC90 design
Volvo
The EV9 looks ugly and doesn’t has the premium feel and performance of Volvo
These seats on EV9 are worst looking seats I have seen for long time on this expensive car. Looks like tuner somehow and not premium.
This coming from a mustang fangirl. 😂
Go and sit in them and your head will be turning. The seats are some of the best i've ever sat in a car and I drove S-class mercedes between 2016-2020 as a profession daily.
Kia makes good quality seats frankly. I wonder if Genesis will have more luxury version of EV9 or Ioniq7
Volvo > kia
I think that comparing these cars is insulting to Volvo. One is premium and the other is a Kia
Volvo should feel honored to be compared to Kia.
@@trstnhn that’s hilarious. Never
@@SpoolingturbskiThank for proving you’re complete badge snob and a douche.😂
Volvo is over way priced for what you get. The other far more practical and better looking.
That Volvo is a Chinese car, and the EV9, even if it's not in the luxury category, it can easily pass for one.
In the future , when i'll be homosexuals......long future