These are so well-informed and well-made, a real pleasure to watch, very concise and precise, and the graphics are just excellent, I had never compared the portraits of Anne and her daughter before, and they look so alike! Subscribed, liked and belled
Most of it is inaccurate. Henry Vllll had few mistresses and few bastard children. Desperate to have sons he would have acknowledged any he had apart from Henry Futzroy, whom he was grooming to succeed him until Jane Seymour gave him a legitimate son, Edward.
@@kaiserwilhelmii671 Was he actually able to do it? I do not think the law then in force (both in England and elsewhere) allowed granting extramarital children the same rights as marital children had, especially in royal families where the status of legal or illegal descendants affected the fate of the whole country. Not to mention the fact that Elizabeth would not have been queen to the detriment of England. As for Henry's lovers, all of them were ugly in the same way - chubby-cheeked with large noses, double chins and huge foreheads. He must have been blind to chase after women looking like that.
@@lawenda-prowansalska5450 beauty standards changes tbh. those features were desirable back then and some even shaved their hairline to have higher foreheads (www.shadyladiestours.com/2017/09/12/why-were-high-foreheads-once-considered-a-sign-of-beauty/) it's easy to find sources online just take a look it's interesting
He literally had a thing for Boleyn family and their relatives and for girls named Catherine/Katherine... Edit: Thank you for the likes and everything, I didn’t expect to blow up as much as it did. And please don’t comment the same thing, but formulated in a different version. I knew that there weren’t that many monarchs and most of them were related and that the name Catherine/Katherine was quite popular during that time, but I thought it was a “funny and logical” thing to point. Please, stop killing the fun!
Catherine was a popular name at the time as many saints in my faith-Catholicism- were called Katherine. Many of the girls he had affairs with were born during his first marriage to Queen Catherine of Aragon. They were married in 1509- I think- and had a very long marriage as it lasted until 1533. You can see that a lot of these women were born during that time. At the time it was considered polite and proper to name you children after the monarch on the throne. Also, it was very normal for a child to be named after a parent. So if you were the first daughter or son you were likely to be named after your Mam or Dad and it was passed down. So your great great great grandmother may have been called Elizabeth thus you are too!
I work in health care, and have dealt with STDs/STIs. It's well known that syphillis was the most common STI back in Henry's day, so he probably passed this on to his wives to some degree, and this prossibly caused many of his wives' miscarriages. Syphillis flares up then dies down, then lies dormant in the body. It causes damage to the whole body over many years. That might explain why some of the babies (so called) fathered by Henry survived (Elizabeth I is an iffy one - Henry never believed she was his child).
@@patiencechinyere4489 Elizabeth appears to have had similar facial features and hair colour as that of Henry VIII she visually appeared much more similar to him than his other legitimate children. This can be seen through the artworks of Elizabeth as a child which seem to represent her as being very similar to the King more similar than Mary for example. Elizabeth was portrayed as the Kings preferred daughter. The rumours that she wasn’t his daughter only came about due to Anne Boleyn’s alleged infidelity. It has never been proven that the woman was as promiscuous as people like to believe it’s more probable that since she was unable to produce a male heir that they concocted a way of getting rid of her. However there is no smoke without fire apparently she was very flirtatious and did have a couple of love interests dotted about the court. This doesn’t mean to say she committed adultery there isn’t any real evidence of this and frankly if my husband had more than 12 mistresses I’d probably be looking to have a bit on the side too. I think Anne has been judged too harshly for too long.
Men in power could literally do what they wanted without any judgement. Like no one cared that he slept with all these women and was even encouraged to do so. but if a woman at the time slept with any man she wasn't married to, she was banished from her family or beheaded.
The one reason a Queen couldn’t sleep with someone other than the King was that the royal, legitimate line of succession had to be clear and without question. That’s why it was considered treason for someone other than the King to sleep with the Queen.
@@tamarasturner9107 There were cultures where a man's true heir was always his sister's firstborn son. That way, the bloodline was always sure, since who the mother was is always certain. Woman needed to always give birth to a boy and a girl for this to work, but both sexes were valuable.
My Irish grandmother once told me a story of how one of our ancestors was one of Henry VIII's mistresses and had a daughter by him who we are descended from. Supposedly they had written a song together but he got all the credit. History only records the part of the song he wrote and that he wrote if for someone else but the additional parts of the song that mesh perfectly with it were passed down in our family. I don't think it was ever published but my grandmother used to sing it to me when I was a child. The song was Greensleeves.
George IV was a much bigger womanizer. So were other kings. It was normal and common and the right of kings to get their leg over whenever and whoever they wanted
@@Raine123loveschannel it's the no consequences. Except this time his mommy grounded him from the palace. As if that's what would happen to any regular person. They need to hand him over to the fbi . He came to our country to pay for sex with minors. He needs extradited and charged like they'd do to anyone else.....oh my bad Roman Polanski hid in Europe too. Seems like England is a pedo safe space.
You know, I pride myself on my knowledge of Tudor history that I have learned through the years, and this video is so incredibly well made. I learned quite a bit. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this.
@@JB-vd8bi i know but it was just a comment on the fact none were either born or survived yet the daughter's he turned away ruled after him for years and one was one of the greatest rulers in england
cybercats he actually had two sons Edward, he was the king for 5 years before dying of TB. And he also had a son to Catherine of Aarogon he was a healthy son he died suddenly two months later many historians think it was SIDS
It's funny to me that pretty much everyone was named 'John' at one point. The reason we have last names is to differentiate more precisely, and usually was related to ones vocation in life - Baker, Fuller, Tanner, etc, etc.
Poor Anne Bolyen, so many myths are written about her, She was not interested in Henry she was so in love with Percy, Henry broke them up. So he could marry her, then killed her so he could marry his third ugly wife.
linda merchette and it’s not like Anne ruined Catherine of Aragons marriage with the King. She played a part in it and in Catherines downfall. Karma can be a bitch.
Amanda Mac I got curious, and reasearched a bit. I went, by no particular order, till modern days. There are probably hundreds, but here is one illegitimate descendant: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Gordon-Lennox,_11th_Duke_of_Richmond
I suspect there are many, many families who are descended from Henry VIII, and don't even know it. Supposedly John Perrot "the troublemaker" was my 12th great grandfather, making Henry VIII and Mary Berkeley Perrot my 13th great grandparents (information via Ancestry.com). It may or may not be true. But I can honestly tell you that one of my uncles - although shorter than Henry VIII - undeniably had his body build. He just wasn't as heavy as Henry VIII - Diane.
They didnt really have "names" like that. You were either name Jane, C/Katherine, Elis/zebeth, or Mary. Imagine how awkward that it. Some man: Katherine! *50 different girls name K/Catherine turns around* Some man: ...Howard... *25 girls looked away*
if Anne Boleyn counts as a mistress despite zero evidence that she slept with him before marriage, then Jane Seymour should be included as well. There was a well known flirtation between her and Henry while Anne was still alive, and he married her very soon after Anne's execution.
Well, Jane refused to lead Henry to bed until their marriage. Though they had a courtship during his marriage to Anne, their relationship wasn’t consummated until after their marriage
@@sandilou2U theres no evidence she was or wasnt, but more evidence points to that being a smear against her enemies. Without definitive evidence, we cant just assume she was.
These videos are so good; European history is so oddly fascinating to me, I guess just because of how much messed up stuff happens on a regular basis. Beheadings for treason, adultery, marrying 5-year olds to 7-year olds, middle-aged men marrying their teenage cousins, ... *ah the wonders of the Middle Ages*
Kyle Flounder Henry VIII was born in 1491, at the extreme end of the late Middle Ages. One might more accurately call him a man of the Renaissance. He was a proponent of the rebirth of classical philosophy, literature, and art. His court wasn't merely social and political but also intellectual and cultured. One might say there is still a lot of messed up stuff going on in the world on a regular basis, with much less excuse due to ignorance.
@@653j521 This is a fair point. I just feel like the stuff in European history is so messed up it's almost fun though lol, just to be like "oh my GOD LOL he married his 14-year-old cousin, had his brother beheaded, AND arranged a marriage between a 6 and 7-year-old?!" Almost like that "this is so messed up I can't stop laughing"" type response.
5-7 year olds!!! Sure that was true. But the marriages were never consummated before at least 12(although 12 was very shunned and it was almost always 16).
Mary Berkley was my 14th great grandmother and John was my 13th great grandfather. I would love to find proof that John was in fact the son of Henry VIII. I’ve done a little research which has convinced me but I have nothing solid.
Neither Anne nor Jane were actually his mistresses. Both turned it down for one, and for two, yea..you have to actually sleep with someone to become a mistress to anyone. Being friendly and flirting would make literally every woman a mistress by default.
The Duke of Suffolk was also Henry's best friend. And Henry was not 53 when katherine willougby was widowed, he was 54. Love this video and part one of it. it's very informative, and you've presented it very nicely
You must have mentioned Jane Seymour as a mistress too, because while Anne Boleyn was being trieled, the king was having something to do with her. She was not just married an innocent lady. She was playing the hard to get with a hidden agenda under her arm.
Neither Anne nor Jane were his mistresses. Neither slept with him before marriage and neither accepted that title. You have to sleep with someone to earn that title, not just be friendly and flirty, agenda or not.
@@MusaKitty yea...you can make up your own definitions all you want, I'll stick with the same definition that has stuck for centuries, which isnt just a friendly relationship that would apply to literally every woman. Dont bother arguing with me on that because you wont convince me your own personal definition is what history actually defined it as.
@Musa Kitty I think you are confusing an “interloper” with a “mistress.” I think intercourse has to take place with the woman before a woman can be considered a mistress. I wonder if there is an equivalent name for a man who does the same?!
Henry VIII is one of many, many monarchs not just in the UK, who are example of how power corrupts you to the core, and what happens when you have a mentally unstable ruler who holds all the power.
What I don’t get is if he was so desperate for a male heir, why not just legitimize one or 2 of his bastards sons?? It would’ve saved so many lives, as well as his line.
Henry Viii was hoping for a legitimate heir. He had Mary 1. She was his only legitimate heir that was recognized all over the world. So if he was to legalize one of his bastards, it can be problematic. So Henry Viii bastardized both Mary, and Elizabeth (who was always considered a bastard by the church/and most people) so that his bastard son Henry Fitzroy could be king. However Henry Fitzroy died. Henry viii finally had a legitimate son with Jane Seymour who went on to be crowned king after Henry's death.
It wasn’t that easy to just get the nobles to accept that. ESPECIALLY since the breaking of the church. As she said in her first video on this subject, he considered that. But I highly doubt any of the powerful nobles at the time would have accepted that. To keep their heads, they might have SAID so, but it wouldn’t have happened in the long run, after his death. No WAY. And he only had one illegitimate son that he acknowledged. And he died. And you can say until the COWS come home they’re legitimate, but THEY’RE NOT, however how much you (not you, figure of speech) want it. Perhaps, just like Henry’s grandmothers line, the parents eventually DID get married, the children were legitimized. But Henry didn’t marry them. And there was so many other REAL claimants to the throne. That’s why he was so desperate to have an heir, and why he killed so many Plantagenets, they were the true heirs to the crown.
1:50 Joan Dingley & Henry VIII's daughter Awdrey married John Harington after Henry died. They had one child, a daughter named Hester. She married William Stubbes in the early 1570s and they had four children.
I take a bit of an issue with this, many of these mistresses we aren't sure if they were his mistresses. And all of the children we aren't sure of the paternity, except Henry Fitzroy obviously.
The photo of "Mary Shelton" was in fact Lady Heneghain. Please check this! At 06:30, the picture was of the executive of Lady Jane Grey and not Queen Katherine Howard. Lindsey, Catherine Howard wasn't a mistress of Henry VIII, she became a lady-in-wating to Anne of Cleves. Please do your research on Tudor History dear.
Also could you tell a little about Thomas Cromwell, Thomas More, THOMAS WOLSEY the Archbishop, Thomas Cranmer as well as some of King Henry ‘s Courtiers such as Charles Brandon,Henry Norris,Francis Bryan,Francis Weston, William Brereton,Nicholas Carew,Mark Smeaton,Henry Wyatt,and Henry Percy, PLEASE?!!!
Not the be that person but your race would of stopped that anyway. 16th century England was very white. You'd of likely been bottom class and not even allowed in the court of England nobility. But the other comment is also correct. You couldn't say no to the king at all. You had no say as a woman first off in that time.
@@chelseagreer6264 They were less racist back then according to that British cold case show with the bones. It wasn't even really mentioned until Queen Elizabeth. She said that there was a bit of a problem with the growing population of "moores."
chelsea greer that doesn’t mean any woman who wasn’t white wasn’t with a white guy lol it may not have been common in England but it was in other places. Race wasn’t as huge of a deal back then until later on.
chelsea greer That’s not true what you just said about black people, at that time there were a lot of colored people in Europe called The moors, please try and brush up on English History, and at this time there were not any one even called white at that time but Just European or people were usually called by or from the lands of which they came and get this the word white people only came about during the 16th century and blacks and whites which we call each other today had a lot more respect and dignity before that time towards one another and they treated each other as equals even marrying into each other’s race, if you don’t believe me do some research on a time called BACON’s REBELLION.
There's not a scrap of evidence to suggest that Henry was romantically interested in Katherine Willoughby! He visited her after Brandon's death but clearly as friends.
They did not say Katherine Brandon slept with Henry viii. They just stated that he was interested in courting her,and making her wife number 6, or 7. Historian Kelly Hart talks about that . No one knows how Katherine Brandon felt about Henry Viii.
Anne Bassett is my relative! Distant - she's my 13th great aunt, but it's so cool to find out more about her. We definitely stuck to marrying for love later down our family tree because I'm not sure where all that money went!
Renee Held the way he was screwing around, who knows! The acknowledged mistresses are only the tip of the iceberg, there’s any other female he came across. However he most certainly passed it on to his wives, no wonder they couldn’t deliver a healthy child
You literally contradicted yourself in the first 40 seconds. Anne was never his mistress, as you admitted, she never slept with him. Being friendly with someone for whatever reason doesnt them a mistress. Sleeping with them does.
This is a well done video but I don’t think your Anne Boleyn segment is particularly fair. Firstly Henry had been trying to replace Catherine of Aragon before he became interested in Anne. Secondly it’s unfair to include Anne as a mistress and not include Jane Seymour- we look back now and see that Anne became Queen and assume that had been her plan all along- that’s extremely unlikely as no one had ever done it before HOWEVER Jane Seymour had JUST seen Henry replace a Queen and although history/the Tudors paints her as a Disney princess it is more likely Jane Seymour is the calculated home wrecker Anne Boleyn is made out to be.
Jane Seymour wasn't a homewrecker. The king was single when he married Jane. Katherine was married to Henry Viii when Anne enter the picture. Jane made sure that Henry Viii was single and available when she agreed to be his wife.
@@luvprue1 No she wasn't. She refused to have sex with him for almost 7 years. She slept with him for the first time on a trip to Calais when he took her to meet the French king. Anne knew then that marriage was within her sights, and she became pregnant with Elizabeth on that trip. Three months later she and the king realized she was pregnant and Cromwell brought in Cranmer to speed up the annulment from from Katherine of Aragon. If Anne had been sleeping with the king before this time she would have become pregnant much sooner.
I wonder what these women really looked like. Tudor portraits were not very realistic. They were very stylized to fit the standards of beauty at that time, so most of them appeared very much alike.
Shayla Hense he wants sons and they cant give him any and then he gets bored and starts sleeping around and then they demand to be queen so Henry makes it happen
CHristina Edwards I’m sure she knows that. Everyone knows that. But I’m sure this is just about the better known ones. So, who was your ancestor? And Whip, you too? Who was yours? Curious. Tudors fascinate me.
This is all very interesting, but where do you get your facts from? I've spent many years reading books & watching vids etc re the Tudors, doing my own research, listening to expert Tudor historians & reading their books (Dr David Starkey comes to mind), have read some of the main original manuscripts and letters with translations, and checking the meaning of words written in that time. I have not heard of some of these so called mistresses. Can you post a link / links to your research on here? Thanks.
This is not a slight, I love these videos. Devonshire is pronounce Devon-Cher it’s just much easier and shorter to say than how you was pronouncing it, hope I haven’t offended x
So ALL the girls are named Anne, Mary, Katherine, Jane, and Elizabeth...... am I missing any??? I swear they only had 5 names to choose from for girls back then.
These are so well-informed and well-made, a real pleasure to watch, very concise and precise, and the graphics are just excellent, I had never compared the portraits of Anne and her daughter before, and they look so alike! Subscribed, liked and belled
AB, Is that you?
Most of it is inaccurate. Henry Vllll had few mistresses and few bastard children. Desperate to have sons he would have acknowledged any he had apart from Henry Futzroy, whom he was grooming to succeed him until Jane Seymour gave him a legitimate son, Edward.
How come I never heard of these women?
His mistresses born him more sons than his wives.
Indeed, his wives only bore him one son. If Henry had legitimised any of his children, the tudors would of continued.
Well, they lived longer and maybe happier after he left.
Revon Tulet
They who lived longer? We know they were all happy!!
@@kaiserwilhelmii671 Was he actually able to do it? I do not think the law then in force (both in England and elsewhere) allowed granting extramarital children the same rights as marital children had, especially in royal families where the status of legal or illegal descendants affected the fate of the whole country. Not to mention the fact that Elizabeth would not have been queen to the detriment of England. As for Henry's lovers, all of them were ugly in the same way - chubby-cheeked with large noses, double chins and huge foreheads. He must have been blind to chase after women looking like that.
@@lawenda-prowansalska5450 beauty standards changes tbh. those features were desirable back then and some even shaved their hairline to have higher foreheads (www.shadyladiestours.com/2017/09/12/why-were-high-foreheads-once-considered-a-sign-of-beauty/) it's easy to find sources online just take a look it's interesting
I didn’t realize Henry VIII had so many other illegitimate children besides Henry Fitzroy w Bessie Blount. He really got around...
Men (and still do) sleep around and have kids and blame the woman for why they cheat
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Yeah he is really unfaithful, I'm glad I didn't stay his wife forever
@Chloe Flynn yes, yes I am😁
hell yeah
He literally had a thing for Boleyn family and their relatives and for girls named Catherine/Katherine...
Edit: Thank you for the likes and everything, I didn’t expect to blow up as much as it did. And please don’t comment the same thing, but formulated in a different version. I knew that there weren’t that many monarchs and most of them were related and that the name Catherine/Katherine was quite popular during that time, but I thought it was a “funny and logical” thing to point. Please, stop killing the fun!
Maybe the head of the Boleyn family pushed the young girls in his family to persuade the king so the family gets a better position at court
Y A That’s true, the Duke of Norfolk did this to both of his nieces, Catherine and Anne.
Catherine was a popular name at the time as many saints in my faith-Catholicism- were called Katherine. Many of the girls he had affairs with were born during his first marriage to Queen Catherine of Aragon. They were married in 1509- I think- and had a very long marriage as it lasted until 1533. You can see that a lot of these women were born during that time. At the time it was considered polite and proper to name you children after the monarch on the throne. Also, it was very normal for a child to be named after a parent. So if you were the first daughter or son you were likely to be named after your Mam or Dad and it was passed down. So your great great great grandmother may have been called Elizabeth thus you are too!
Well all England was related somehow, even Henry's was related to all his wives
And Anne lol. He was plain gross
I work in health care, and have dealt with STDs/STIs. It's well known that syphillis was the most common STI back in Henry's day, so he probably passed this on to his wives to some degree, and this prossibly caused many of his wives' miscarriages. Syphillis flares up then dies down, then lies dormant in the body. It causes damage to the whole body over many years. That might explain why some of the babies (so called) fathered by Henry survived (Elizabeth I is an iffy one - Henry never believed she was his child).
Didn’t believe it but the whole country did due to the fact they had the same hair colour
Why are you a genius
@@jessicasarahliddell8883 what ?
@@patiencechinyere4489 Elizabeth appears to have had similar facial features and hair colour as that of Henry VIII she visually appeared much more similar to him than his other legitimate children. This can be seen through the artworks of Elizabeth as a child which seem to represent her as being very similar to the King more similar than Mary for example. Elizabeth was portrayed as the Kings preferred daughter. The rumours that she wasn’t his daughter only came about due to Anne Boleyn’s alleged infidelity. It has never been proven that the woman was as promiscuous as people like to believe it’s more probable that since she was unable to produce a male heir that they concocted a way of getting rid of her. However there is no smoke without fire apparently she was very flirtatious and did have a couple of love interests dotted about the court. This doesn’t mean to say she committed adultery there isn’t any real evidence of this and frankly if my husband had more than 12 mistresses I’d probably be looking to have a bit on the side too. I think Anne has been judged too harshly for too long.
@@jessicasarahliddell8883 damn
Men in power could literally do what they wanted without any judgement. Like no one cared that he slept with all these women and was even encouraged to do so. but if a woman at the time slept with any man she wasn't married to, she was banished from her family or beheaded.
akb black
Or sent to a convent.
Times were different . Kings were encouraged to have a mistress .
The one reason a Queen couldn’t sleep with someone other than the King was that the royal, legitimate line of succession had to be clear and without question. That’s why it was considered treason for someone other than the King to sleep with the Queen.
@Instrumentality1000 True. But men made up the rules. If he had never fool around on Queen Katherine , Anne Boleyn would be nothing but a footnote.
@@tamarasturner9107 There were cultures where a man's true heir was always his sister's firstborn son. That way, the bloodline was always sure, since who the mother was is always certain.
Woman needed to always give birth to a boy and a girl for this to work, but both sexes were valuable.
My Irish grandmother once told me a story of how one of our ancestors was one of Henry VIII's mistresses and had a daughter by him who we are descended from. Supposedly they had written a song together but he got all the credit. History only records the part of the song he wrote and that he wrote if for someone else but the additional parts of the song that mesh perfectly with it were passed down in our family. I don't think it was ever published but my grandmother used to sing it to me when I was a child. The song was Greensleeves.
nunya biznez what!! That’s incredible!
It could have been about anne boleyn because she wore green sleeves
Nice try kid, but I didn't write Greensleeves.
@@Jamie-ho1wg Tee hee, well played ;)
@@Jamie-ho1wg hahahaha
Henry VIII was like the Zeus of England.
Just that he actually divorced his "Hera"
@@hirahiro2331 Right you are.
George IV was a much bigger womanizer. So were other kings. It was normal and common and the right of kings to get their leg over whenever and whoever they wanted
@@Tiger89Lilly Checked he only had 8 , while Henry possibly had dozens .
@@Tiger89Lilly hate womanisers. I despise them😡😡 they don't know what real love is. They wouldn't treat me like crap😡
I'm really suprised to learn about the other children born of wedlock from Henry the VIII
I wonder how many prince Andrew has
@@kristingallo2158 weird how prince andrew has the same fascination with young girls. Quite gross, but I guess it runs in the family.
@@Raine123loveschannel it's the no consequences. Except this time his mommy grounded him from the palace. As if that's what would happen to any regular person. They need to hand him over to the fbi . He came to our country to pay for sex with minors. He needs extradited and charged like they'd do to anyone else.....oh my bad Roman Polanski hid in Europe too. Seems like England is a pedo safe space.
None are certain to be his children
You know, I pride myself on my knowledge of Tudor history that I have learned through the years, and this video is so incredibly well made. I learned quite a bit. Thank you for the time and effort you put into this.
Same here. Also, some interesting pictures.
He had so many illigitamate sons but couldnt get his wife's to have one🤦♀️
His wives had sons. They couldn't get them to live for very long. Edward survived infancy and was coronated.
It's a case of a bastard producing them!
@@JB-vd8bi i know but it was just a comment on the fact none were either born or survived yet the daughter's he turned away ruled after him for years and one was one of the greatest rulers in england
cybercats he actually had two sons Edward, he was the king for 5 years before dying of TB. And he also had a son to Catherine of Aarogon he was a healthy son he died suddenly two months later many historians think it was SIDS
@@JB-vd8bi And even he didn't last long.
They had absolutely no imagination as to names!
J Andrews they were worried about more important matters other than names
Thats cause everyone was named after someone or the names were from the bible
It's funny to me that pretty much everyone was named 'John' at one point. The reason we have last names is to differentiate more precisely, and usually was related to ones vocation in life - Baker, Fuller, Tanner, etc, etc.
exactly. they had a list of 10 names to chose from.
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Poor Anne Bolyen, so many myths are written about her, She was not interested in Henry she was so in love with Percy, Henry broke them up. So he could marry her, then killed her so he could marry his third ugly wife.
linda merchette I really like Jane, but the only person who is to blame is Hebert
linda merchette *Henry
Well Henry said she was ugly, but she probably wasnt
J Andrews you mean Anne of Cleves?
linda merchette and it’s not like Anne ruined Catherine of Aragons marriage with the King. She played a part in it and in Catherines downfall. Karma can be a bitch.
It's shocking, any of these woman could be related to us
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Like Anne boleyn and I?
Anne Bassett is related to me!
has anyone traced the illegitamate children's families?
Amanda Mac
I got curious, and reasearched a bit. I went, by no particular order, till modern days. There are probably hundreds, but here is one illegitimate descendant: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Gordon-Lennox,_11th_Duke_of_Richmond
I suspect there are many, many families who are descended from Henry VIII,
and don't even know it. Supposedly John Perrot "the troublemaker" was my 12th great grandfather, making Henry VIII and Mary Berkeley Perrot my 13th great grandparents (information via Ancestry.com). It may or may not be true. But I can honestly tell you that one of my uncles - although shorter than Henry VIII - undeniably had his body build. He just wasn't as heavy as Henry VIII - Diane.
Lettice Knoylls was an illegitimate granddaughter and she married Elizabeth I’s former lover Robert Dudley
@@Officialaaravd and boy, did that piss off E! Lol.
@@amandamac2324 Yeah lol
4 Anne, 3 Elisabeth, 4 Catherine, 3 Mary, 3 Jane
What original names 🙄
They didnt really have "names" like that. You were either name Jane, C/Katherine, Elis/zebeth, or Mary. Imagine how awkward that it.
Some man: Katherine!
*50 different girls name K/Catherine turns around*
Some man: ...Howard...
*25 girls looked away*
Hira Hiro! You forgot the name Joan. That was a popular girl’s name then too.
@@thewintersrose9547 really :0? I didn't know that name is used back then. I usually hear Elizabeth, Mary, K/Catherine, Anne, and Jane
Hira Hiro! The name Joan was mentioned in the video and was also the name of one of Jane Seymour’s Lady-in-waiting
if Anne Boleyn counts as a mistress despite zero evidence that she slept with him before marriage, then Jane Seymour should be included as well. There was a well known flirtation between her and Henry while Anne was still alive, and he married her very soon after Anne's execution.
Society: so how many Annes do you want?
Henry VIII: *yes*
I was his favorite
The few names of the age
Catherine, Mary, Elizabeth, Jane, Anne, Margaret. Original
and Joan
i stopped everything to watch this
So did Anne Boleyn
ABAlphaBeta 🤣😂
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Spicy noodles making me cry and now my mom thinks I'm watching touching movie
"but finally bedding and wedding his hearts desire was not enough for this passionate king" 😶
Wait wasnt jane seymour also a mistress?
Well, Jane refused to lead Henry to bed until their marriage. Though they had a courtship during his marriage to Anne, their relationship wasn’t consummated until after their marriage
Neither Anne nor Jane were his mistresses as neither slept with him while not married.
@@Rhaenarys Actually, Ann did. She was pregnant when they married.
@@sandilou2U theres no evidence she was or wasnt, but more evidence points to that being a smear against her enemies. Without definitive evidence, we cant just assume she was.
Jane and the king got married within a week of Anne death but she never slept with him before she died so technically not a mistress
Literally stopped washing the dishes when I saw the upload 😂😂😉
Still got dishes ?
@@patiencechinyere4489 just finished doing them 😂😂😂
@@julialvarez968 oh God😂😂💔. Just ate some spicy indomie
0:36 wait so they werent kidding when they said "no one wants a waist over 9 inches"
These videos are so good; European history is so oddly fascinating to me, I guess just because of how much messed up stuff happens on a regular basis. Beheadings for treason, adultery, marrying 5-year olds to 7-year olds, middle-aged men marrying their teenage cousins, ... *ah the wonders of the Middle Ages*
Kyle Flounder Henry VIII was born in 1491, at the extreme end of the late Middle Ages. One might more accurately call him a man of the Renaissance. He was a proponent of the rebirth of classical philosophy, literature, and art. His court wasn't merely social and political but also intellectual and cultured.
One might say there is still a lot of messed up stuff going on in the world on a regular basis, with much less excuse due to ignorance.
@@653j521 This is a fair point. I just feel like the stuff in European history is so messed up it's almost fun though lol, just to be like "oh my GOD LOL he married his 14-year-old cousin, had his brother beheaded, AND arranged a marriage between a 6 and 7-year-old?!" Almost like that "this is so messed up I can't stop laughing"" type response.
5-7 year olds!!! Sure that was true. But the marriages were never consummated before at least 12(although 12 was very shunned and it was almost always 16).
Mary Berkley was my 14th great grandmother and John was my 13th great grandfather. I would love to find proof that John was in fact the son of Henry VIII. I’ve done a little research which has convinced me but I have nothing solid.
God, he had mistresses as having clothes.. Too many
Jane Seymour was also the king's mistress, it was well known they had a romantic relationship while he was still married to Anne Boleyn.
I believe it was more of a love, she never went to bed with him
@@kosovoiskosovoproductions7001 She was still his mistress.
@@DarkLadyJade In Britain it is generally considered being a mistress if sex is involved, not just romance.
@@653j521 I don't believe that. I've seen too many women from Britain complaining about another woman.
Neither Anne nor Jane were actually his mistresses. Both turned it down for one, and for two, yea..you have to actually sleep with someone to become a mistress to anyone. Being friendly and flirting would make literally every woman a mistress by default.
Too many Catherine’s 😂
true
Too Many Anne's😂
Too many Catherine’s Anne’s Mary’s Elizabeth’s and jane’s-
The Duke of Suffolk was also Henry's best friend. And Henry was not 53 when katherine willougby was widowed, he was 54. Love this video and part one of it. it's very informative, and you've presented it very nicely
I would not of presented it so well like she does she does way better than I could am not best explainer
It's 2:am and I was about to go to sleep but nvm 😂😂😂😂
Sorry man kinda copied your comment but it's a similar situation for me hope you don't mind
Man on RUclips all good
Thanks
There are worse things we could do🎶 than stay up with a historical video or two🎵.😉
"I ❤ quails" ROFL
Can you please do a video of his children including his illegitimate please? e.g Henry fitzroy
You must have mentioned Jane Seymour as a mistress too, because while Anne Boleyn was being trieled, the king was having something to do with her. She was not just married an innocent lady. She was playing the hard to get with a hidden agenda under her arm.
Neither Anne nor Jane were his mistresses. Neither slept with him before marriage and neither accepted that title. You have to sleep with someone to earn that title, not just be friendly and flirty, agenda or not.
Ahlamkin
You’re so right.
@@Rhaenarys Dont have to sleep with someone to be a mistress, interfering with a relationship is enough.
@@MusaKitty yea...you can make up your own definitions all you want, I'll stick with the same definition that has stuck for centuries, which isnt just a friendly relationship that would apply to literally every woman. Dont bother arguing with me on that because you wont convince me your own personal definition is what history actually defined it as.
@Musa Kitty I think you are confusing an “interloper” with a “mistress.” I think intercourse has to take place with the woman before a woman can be considered a mistress. I wonder if there is an equivalent name for a man who does the same?!
Henry VIII is one of many, many monarchs not just in the UK, who are example of how power corrupts you to the core, and what happens when you have a mentally unstable ruler who holds all the power.
What about Agnes Bluitt? Was she a mistress or just a one-and-done?
So Henry had a thing for Anne’s and Catherine’s
Olga Hadziosmanovic And Mary’s and jane’s- and Elizabeth’s an-
Jane Seymour went: *omigawd quails* 🥺🥺🥺
Omfg 😂
It's interesting that you never see these womens' ears
darkprince56 their gable hoods and French hoods covered them lol
Gabriella yeah I know but I mean I wonder if there was a reason for that. Weren't women (especially married women), required to cover their hair?
Ally Jelly yeah I wonder if it was considered inappropriate to show their ears just like their hair except when unmarried.
darkprince56 yes they were but it may have been that they weren’t supposed to show their ears or because it was how their hoods were designed.
Now there's something you don't think about looking for....
Jesus almost everyone called Katherine or Anne, even the mistresses.
It was a ridiculously used name, what can i say
What’s your opinion on Six: The Musical?
Must look further into Catherine Brandon: what an interesting life!
It seems henry had sons with everyone except for the people he wanted
How many illegitimate children did he have?
Yes I love this! Please do more mistresses of other Monarchs!!🙏🙏🙏
Please I agree 💯
At this rate of how many children he probably had, the damn Tudor Dynasty would live on.
/s
(sarcasm)
Irrelevant to the story but I absolutely love that at 2:20 you can see the reflection of a window, and its view, in an item in the painting. So cool!
What I don’t get is if he was so desperate for a male heir, why not just legitimize one or 2 of his bastards sons?? It would’ve saved so many lives, as well as his line.
Henry Viii was hoping for a legitimate heir. He had Mary 1. She was his only legitimate heir that was recognized all over the world. So if he was to legalize one of his bastards, it can be problematic. So Henry Viii bastardized both Mary, and Elizabeth (who was always considered a bastard by the church/and most people) so that his bastard son Henry Fitzroy could be king. However Henry Fitzroy died. Henry viii finally had a legitimate son with Jane Seymour who went on to be crowned king after Henry's death.
It wasn’t that easy to just get the nobles to accept that. ESPECIALLY since the breaking of the church. As she said in her first video on this subject, he considered that. But I highly doubt any of the powerful nobles at the time would have accepted that. To keep their heads, they might have SAID so, but it wouldn’t have happened in the long run, after his death. No WAY. And he only had one illegitimate son that he acknowledged. And he died. And you can say until the COWS come home they’re legitimate, but THEY’RE NOT, however how much you (not you, figure of speech) want it. Perhaps, just like Henry’s grandmothers line, the parents eventually DID get married, the children were legitimized. But Henry didn’t marry them. And there was so many other REAL claimants to the throne. That’s why he was so desperate to have an heir, and why he killed so many Plantagenets, they were the true heirs to the crown.
Such evil kings and men. All this evilness.
Henry in a Nutshell
I want my wife’s lady in waiting!
*Gets wife’s lady in waiting*
Never mind I want HER lady in waiting!!
I stopped cooking to watch! I’ve been waiting! Thank you!
I love the background music
I do too !!
Very well done!
Love your artwork and music
I love these! Keep me coming girlie!!
1:50 Joan Dingley & Henry VIII's daughter Awdrey married John Harington after Henry died. They had one child, a daughter named Hester. She married William Stubbes in the early 1570s and they had four children.
great to know more about my nephew!
Edward V Too bad you were deposed by your uncle. You would have made a better king than Henry VIII.
@@januarysson5633 true
one thing we learned from the video...
Henry loved people with the names Anne/Anna/ane and Katherine/ Catherine
I take a bit of an issue with this, many of these mistresses we aren't sure if they were his mistresses. And all of the children we aren't sure of the paternity, except Henry Fitzroy obviously.
I guess you could say, he had an abundance of Catherines.
The photo of "Mary Shelton" was in fact Lady Heneghain. Please check this! At 06:30, the picture was of the executive of Lady Jane Grey and not Queen Katherine Howard. Lindsey, Catherine Howard wasn't a mistress of Henry VIII, she became a lady-in-wating to Anne of Cleves. Please do your research on Tudor History dear.
I postponed my nap to watch this
Your videos teach me more about European history than my 45 minute long history classes.
1 am here about to sleep but the video pop up and I just gotta watch it... Bye
Wait wth so its almost 8am where you live and its 8pm where I live!
@@briananavarrolopez9286 Yep that's probably the case
I love all your videos!
he beheaded 2 of his wives even though he had 13 side mistresses and both of them were side mistresses like wtf
This is wonderful
Great videos. I can't do the patreon, but I do watch all the videos :)
Also could you tell a little about Thomas Cromwell, Thomas More, THOMAS WOLSEY the Archbishop, Thomas Cranmer as well as some of King Henry ‘s Courtiers such as Charles Brandon,Henry Norris,Francis Bryan,Francis Weston, William Brereton,Nicholas Carew,Mark Smeaton,Henry Wyatt,and Henry Percy, PLEASE?!!!
Check out Claire Ridgeway's videos. She is an expert on the Tudor era.
So your telling me it could have been ‘ everybody knows that we used to be seven wives ‘?
I’m sorry but he couldn’t touch me lol
I mean, he really could've. You'd have no say in the matter lol
Not the be that person but your race would of stopped that anyway. 16th century England was very white. You'd of likely been bottom class and not even allowed in the court of England nobility. But the other comment is also correct. You couldn't say no to the king at all. You had no say as a woman first off in that time.
@@chelseagreer6264 They were less racist back then according to that British cold case show with the bones. It wasn't even really mentioned until Queen Elizabeth. She said that there was a bit of a problem with the growing population of "moores."
chelsea greer that doesn’t mean any woman who wasn’t white wasn’t with a white guy lol it may not have been common in England but it was in other places. Race wasn’t as huge of a deal back then until later on.
chelsea greer
That’s not true what you just said about black people, at that time there were a lot of colored people in Europe called The moors, please try and brush up on English History, and at this time there were not any one even called white at that time but Just European or people were usually called by or from the lands of which they came and get this the word white people only came about during the 16th century and blacks and whites which we call each other today had a lot more respect and dignity before that time towards one another and they treated each other as equals even marrying into each other’s race, if you don’t believe me do some research on a time called BACON’s REBELLION.
Gee whiz the things that they did back then
Anne boleyn:no its a sin
Henry:TREASON
Wonderful and accurate content linked to a nice voice.
There's not a scrap of evidence to suggest that Henry was romantically interested in Katherine Willoughby! He visited her after Brandon's death but clearly as friends.
He slept with friends...
They did not say Katherine Brandon slept with Henry viii. They just stated that he was interested in courting her,and making her wife number 6, or 7. Historian Kelly Hart talks about that . No one knows how Katherine Brandon felt about Henry Viii.
Anne Bassett is my relative! Distant - she's my 13th great aunt, but it's so cool to find out more about her. We definitely stuck to marrying for love later down our family tree because I'm not sure where all that money went!
Great video well done
I wonder who gave him the SDI?
Renee Held the way he was screwing around, who knows! The acknowledged mistresses are only the tip of the iceberg, there’s any other female he came across.
However he most certainly passed it on to his wives, no wonder they couldn’t deliver a healthy child
I stopped eating to watch this
*gasp*
Mevelyn Gay Varona honestly I’m still shocked 2 months on
You literally contradicted yourself in the first 40 seconds. Anne was never his mistress, as you admitted, she never slept with him. Being friendly with someone for whatever reason doesnt them a mistress. Sleeping with them does.
This is a well done video but I don’t think your Anne Boleyn segment is particularly fair. Firstly Henry had been trying to replace Catherine of Aragon before he became interested in Anne. Secondly it’s unfair to include Anne as a mistress and not include Jane Seymour- we look back now and see that Anne became Queen and assume that had been her plan all along- that’s extremely unlikely as no one had ever done it before HOWEVER Jane Seymour had JUST seen Henry replace a Queen and although history/the Tudors paints her as a Disney princess it is more likely Jane Seymour is the calculated home wrecker Anne Boleyn is made out to be.
Jane Seymour wasn't a homewrecker. The king was single when he married Jane. Katherine was married to Henry Viii when Anne enter the picture. Jane made sure that Henry Viii was single and available when she agreed to be his wife.
Henry Vlll never took any other mistresses in all the years he was wooing Anne Boleyn. Much of this is very inaccurate.
He didn't need to Anne was his mistress.
@@luvprue1 No she wasn't. She refused to have sex with him for almost 7 years. She slept with him for the first time on a trip to Calais when he took her to meet the French king. Anne knew then that marriage was within her sights, and she became pregnant with Elizabeth on that trip. Three months later she and the king realized she was pregnant and Cromwell brought in Cranmer to speed up the annulment from from Katherine of Aragon. If Anne had been sleeping with the king before this time she would have become pregnant much sooner.
I’m surprised that Audrey is such an old name! I like it’ll that bit of info!
I wonder what these women really looked like. Tudor portraits were not very realistic. They were very stylized to fit the standards of beauty at that time, so most of them appeared very much alike.
Can u. Do a video about Katherine Brandon
Why does Henry behead all his mistresses who wind up becoming queen
Shayla Hense he wants sons and they cant give him any and then he gets bored and starts sleeping around and then they demand to be queen so Henry makes it happen
Just so you know there were more mistresses than what you added. I am a descendant of Henry. My brother looks like a clone of him
I’m a descendant as well. Illegitimate of course. Hey cousin!
CHristina Edwards I’m sure she knows that. Everyone knows that. But I’m sure this is just about the better known ones. So, who was your ancestor? And Whip, you too? Who was yours? Curious. Tudors fascinate me.
Whats the tune name in the background
This is all very interesting, but where do you get your facts from? I've spent many years reading books & watching vids etc re the Tudors, doing my own research, listening to expert Tudor historians & reading their books (Dr David Starkey comes to mind), have read some of the main original manuscripts and letters with translations, and checking the meaning of words written in that time. I have not heard of some of these so called mistresses. Can you post a link / links to your research on here? Thanks.
What about Agnes Blewitt Edwards.. Mother of Richard Edwards??
I never knew about the other kids. You only hear about Fitzroy
This is not a slight, I love these videos. Devonshire is pronounce Devon-Cher it’s just much easier and shorter to say than how you was pronouncing it, hope I haven’t offended x
U need a button that says I ❤ quails hahahah I shall buy said button hahaha
These are the women that we know of, he could have had more, maybe?
How did Mary Seymour did die at child birth if she was abandoned to an orphanage at 7 months?
How come you didn't mention Jane Seymour
Omg from thumbnail pic I thought Mary, Anne and Katherine were all the same person!! They looked so much alike 😅
So ALL the girls are named Anne, Mary, Katherine, Jane, and Elizabeth...... am I missing any??? I swear they only had 5 names to choose from for girls back then.
HOW dare henry cheat on me right after my death 💀 with anne bassett
Mary Boleyn is my GREATTTT grandmother. She was smart and gtfo.