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Why my Mercury Star Runner is now an Origin 600i
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- Опубликовано: 13 дек 2023
- Why my Mercury Star Runner is now an Origin 600i
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Here we're discussing a difficult topic, saying goodbye to the MSR which I love but just doesn't fit my playstyle anymore which has matured past "ooh pretty ship" to "let's focus on our endgame". The 600i with it's upcoming rework will simply outclass the MSR in the multi-role gameplay I want and still remain solo-able. It's been real Mercury... I'll see you in the 'verse.
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In 3.23, 600i hp pool is now buffed from 100k to 150k!
They really nerfed the maneuverability though
The thing that killed the MSR for me are the crawlways... it's so pointless and gimmicky. They could remove that crap, lower the cargo a bit, put most of the modules in the big nothing that is the turret and scanning chair rooms, put stairs instead of an elevator... It would also be slimmer so no need to make it maneuver like a fat slug. All problem solved...
I think I'll wait to see smuggling before I comment about the crawlspaces. However, I will say they could have put the components in the crawlspace and saved a lot of space topside for other things while also giving that space a purpose for existing. I actually got that idea from Algared from the inforunners. Go check them out!
Same, replaced mine with a Corsair.
Also the endless doors.
i love the msr but its too bulky now and for being that big its got hilariously low firepower and where the fuck is my center engine? half the engines of the spirit but quicker? bitch what?
I love the MSR but undergunned for it's size, especially that pilot controls. Two size 3 ridiculous undergunned. It only runs... It does that well.
Yeah, fattening up the ship so much, to stuff a PVP zone into the MSR and the awful doors got me to disqualify it.
Im keeping both of them, I'm not giving up hope on the MSR.
I respect it.
The MSR has a need for an update.
Honestly i think that not turning the back lounge aria into a size 1 VIP landing pad is a massive missed opportunity, especially at 475 USD.
Yup, you covered my exact thinking for getting the 600i... I didn't like its looks in white, but looks awesome in the sterling silver paint... The fact that it's getting a med bay and be able to carry a nova tank is going to be soooo sweet...
Dude, that sterling silver look is so dang good. I need to get it to match the 400i silver.
My daily is a sterling 600i with gats.
@@Frank-costanzaI want that sterling paint for the 400i so bad.
@@justindupre7274dude, it's so good.
I also have the 600i EX for its own purposes for multicrew expeditions, the Mercury I grabbed for the dual ability to transport both physical cargo & electronic cargo (data running) in the same ship. The looks and such are great, but it was the large capacity for data running I preferred - and why I keep it.
With the future of large components and the engineering gameplay mechanic, it will be interesting to see the impact on skeleton crew operations.
I have an org to play with but I'm excited to try and solo this thing!
I'm optimistic we'll see it in the next 6 months. Jared said during ISC last week that there's 6 new and UPDATED ships coming the first half of next year. I know I'm prolly wrong lol, but I'm gonna be hopeful that one of those is the 600i.
I'm not one to shudder hopes and dreams. I hope it does! My guess is late 2024 early 2025.
prbly the tali or the SF
The RSI ships get the first gold pass...
Aged like milk
@schwimm33 that's why I said I knew I was probably wrong but I was hopeful haha
I picked up the 600i after they announced the rework. If i remember correctly based on the initially proposed changes the vehicle elevator may be big enough to fit a nova tank. So it should be able to hold a fair bit of cargo when that goes live.
Yes confirmed it will fit a Nova Tank! I talk about that in the video! It also will receive more cargo they just didn't confirm how much. My guess in-between 80-120 scu for the final amount.
Solid points, you bring up all the problems I have with the MSR. However, I'm still keeping it as a daily driver after using the 600i for a while. Mainly because they don't do the same job. The MSR (to me) is a better and more fun ship to fly. It can't do combat, but way more fun doing bunker missions and ROC mining in. It also does it way faster because it's way more nimble. Yes the doors are anoying sometimes, but so are the slow elevators in the 600i.
Also, for now the 600i is terrible for bounty hunting since it can't take larger crates. So much lost income, I would rather buy a Connie or Corsair on the side.
That said, I may change my mind post reword, but for now, too overpriced for it's worth and fun factor. Although, I do love the captain's bed on the 600i 😮
Totally respect that! Can't go wrong with an MSR!
Msr has its place for being a versatile quick daily driver. For short trips like bunkers etc but still functions for other things in a pinch plus data running eventually.
600i can fit 32 scu crates into its cargo bay. 2 will fit no problem, 3 is possible with more effort
I own both the MSR and a 600i. I am just waiting for the 600i upgrade to see how good it is going to be.
I own both from in game purchase. Each has its role.
What you are circling as "Shield Pool" is the Hull HP. The 600i actually has among the highest total Shield Capacities in the Game. It comes standard with 2x 100,000HP shields...the same ones on the hammerhead. THe carrack and A2 have a smidge more by default at 110,000 x2, the Reclaimer has quite a bit more at 3x 100,000, and the 890J dwarfs them all with 2x 745,000 HP shields.. But unless I am missing something, 600i is not 12th best shields... it's like 5th Best Shields!
Exactly right! My mistake thank you!
My problem with the MSR is thatcit is a crusader ship. And that means doors every couple feet
I upgraded my 400i to the 600i cuz I couldn't get the Drake Corsair. The 600i is my max size I am going up due to doing solo long range exploration in the future. Got the IAE 2023 one with the custom name and purple paint. It feels just right tho pushing the "large" side for solo. Hopefully It will be fun! The bigger hanger and T2 medbay going to be good.
same as you and the chap above
The Corsair is a weird ship. Fly it during Invictus while it's free and see what you think.
I found in the Spirit C1 what I was looking for in the MSR, and it's an inferior ship but it's what I wanted for everyday use: a medium sized, multirole and agile ship. On the other hand, I converted my old MSR into an RSI Arrastra.
That's what I'm hoping more people do going forward. Buy The ship that you actually want for everyday use not the one everyone tells you is the best. Look at your gameplay and make the decision for yourself.
i just melted my corsair, bought a Spirit A1 and used the leftovers to upgrade my Glaive into a 600i.. best desicion ever! even without the incoming rework its just a perfect ship for single operating.. yes the corsair has more firepower in the hands of the pilot but lets be honest.. its just an ugly ship -.- (drake interiors are just.. well.. industrial..) and i gladly trade 1x s5 and the 2x s4 for style and specialy manouverability.. the corsair is a real brick in atmo compared to 600i and that means a lot xD
600i is life. Love how the Fury matches the chrome skin on it as well.
If you find the 600i Jump Point, you will see the devs saying that the 600i is supposed to be a solo ship. The 600i is my first big ship. And the first SC ship I really like! I also have an MSR but I am pretty disappointed with that ship. I will change it to something else. Maybe a new ship...
May I suggest a Zeus Mk II CL. It's growing on me!
600i is so slept on.
Looking forward to the Zeus MKII CL to replace my MSR.
Not a bad choice at all from what I know about the Zeus. I might be more inclined to go Galaxy as another option as well.
I bought my MSR for two reasons. I really like the design and I wanted the name reservation.
Man the 600i highlights the need or desire for me to see a rework on the carrack. Yeah the 600 might be more solo able but all these points just make me really aware of how long we have to wait.
If they just stayed true to the MSR's original concept design, this ship would be something else! It should be a one level ship just like the Spirit C1 and A1, they've added stilts which raised the ship by 1/2 a deck and for a gameplay which does not exist.
A MSR variant without the crawlways would be nice
600i is a beast and as much as I loved my MSR, I'll take my 600i Exp anyway. It's my daily driver. I rarely do cargo stuff so don't give two shits about cargo on a daily driver. I shoot stuff daily so this ship is my main squeeze.
I love my MSR. I might just upgrade my 400i to the 600i.
That's always a good idea. The 600i is the better ship.
What I really liked about the 600i when it was ship-of-the-month awhile back, was the three pilot-controlled size5 guns, and the range at which the 600i could get bounties. And because the shields were huge, you could roll, up, park, and lumber around like a big space walrus and get the bounty. Haven't flown it in current patch, so I'm not sure how it plays anymore. But, you can have four size5 guns on the Corsair, AND an additional pair of size4.
Don't get me wrong, I do like the 600i and where it should sit, but not enough to trade in the MSR for it. For me, I think it comes down to personality, and the fact that the MSR has a cool one, and a unique look to match; The 600i, for being an Origin ship, kinda seems on par with a bowl of cold oatmeal, or maybe some cardboard shavings on dry toast. It just seems very very generic for who the manufacturer is. You get the captain's quarters (very cool) maybe a glass floor, and everything else is currently mediocre. Sort of how a lot of Cadillacs were just a rebranded Chevy. Front fenders, hood ornament, and tail lights don't quite make them better even with the imitation leather seats and plastic woodgrain paneling on the dash.
Probably a main reason why they're doing the redesign, I think that CIG realized that it doesn't follow the design language of Origin and really needs to change it to fit between the 890J and 400i.
It'll be interesting to see how ship size affects Jump Points too; if 600i is big enough to require a Large jump point, that's going to affect intersystem travel as well.
Lmao this legitimately made me laugh! Thanks for that bowl of cold oatmeal part. I totally respect keeping the MSR as I said you can't go wrong with either. I think the rework will make a lot of people upgrade. Great point about the size and how it will go through jump points. My response to that, it will fit the same jump points as the carrack at the very least which is everyone's favorite. My question to you is are you into data running or are you into the looks of the ship? I didn't see you talk about the use of the MSR.
@@billionaireninjas I do like the looks of the MSR for sure. I am looking forward to datarunning though, especially once real exploration gets implemented, and other potential of the game is realized.
Someone surveys a previously unknown system, and they want to get that data back to the UEE for registration before someone else does. Maybe an expansion on Xenothreat with fleet movements, maybe tied into groundfighting with troop and armor division locations, etc. Maybe corporate warfare and keeping scientific/economoc development projects out of the airwaves using encrypted short-range transmissions only, to protect the investors. There can be a lot of different things to do, but I think it's going to be much more dependent on CIG to implement them than just postulating about it in chat with orgmates.
Most of the time these days, I'm running around in a Pisces Rescue between bunkers if I'm doing FPS stuff, and sometimes will jump in the MSR with some friends and ground vehicles inside. MSR isn't quite the daily driver anymore, but it's not completely mothballed, either.
That was a compelling position argument. I like the look of my MSR but without the data running gameplay it is a cargo hauler and multicrew fighter. It just gets outclassed by other ships in those realms.
Love the 600i 🚀 Grinded for one when i first started playing 🤑 Will consider picking one up again after rework 💪When data running hits the vers the MSR will finally fulfill the role it was made for 💾 One other note is the MSR is one of the fastest ships in the game so its a good ship for medium cargo because you cam out run most pirates 🦜 At the end of the day i think they are two great ships that were made for different purposes 🤔
Exactly this!
Man, the MSR just had too many doors for me. I had no idea the 600i was getting a tier 2 medbed! That's amazing.
I have the 600i but I'm worried the rework will remove the pilot's capacity to shoot. Not always I have my friend's schedule align with mines. Will see
I mean, you could still buy an MSR in game to display the account bound ungiftable advocacy livery.
Hell, if you're down I'd arrange the aUEC for you to do so under the condition I can use it for some machinima making/recording footage of it. I kinda need one with the skin to use in some projects I'm helping with in the near future
True.I could totally get it in game! No donation necessary sir! I would much rather you share that with another mate! When I get it you can borrow it! Heck thats what insurance is made for right!
I came to the same conclusion and made the exact same decision when the 600i rework was announced. I upgraded my MSR to the 600i and Spartan to the Nova.
Undercover DropSHIP BABYyyyyyy!
Homeboy, getting blown up is not very luxurious, hence the shield pool on the 600i
Man I am hoping that the rework is snuck into 3.24 or 4.0 updates. I also would like over 100 SCU for the price range but the T2 medbed , and the ability to respawn from it, will make this my daily driver.
I kept my Mercury and had a separate CCU chain for the 600i Explorer, going back a few years before the rework was even announced. I completed my CCU chain at Invictus a few years ago, but at the IAE just prior, I had filled in the chain up to a C2. By the time that I filled in the C2 to 600i Explorer part... I didn't want to give up the C2. So now I have both. Because of all the Warbond CCUs, the two of them combined cost only a bit more than the 600i Explorer as a standalone ship.
Agreed. I happen to not need a C2 because I have a ton of ships that can carry cargo but I respect it.
I went from the MSR to 600i recently too. I still have my buyback for the MSR BIS 2951 though just in case.
Welcome to the 600i Club! It's fancy in here!
Can’t wait for the data running gameplay
Am going to stay with my MSR. I dont really like the 600i. I don't like the design and the driving is not good
I respect it! Play the game how you want!
I also recently upgraded my MSR but I upgraded it to a Liberator. I think the issue with the MSR is first that the whole vent thing was a neat idea but honestly should have been scrapped in production it just doesn't make sense and makes the ship far more bulky than it needs to be. Second big issue with the MSR is that it has too much of a split focus while also not being a generalist. Right like it is in a weird halfway point between focusing on cargo and data running which means its going to be less capable at either of those roles than a ship that is solely focused on either one. That would also be ok if it wasn't actually focused on either and had more of generalist tool kit like the Constellation Andromeda or Cutlass Black but it's just not even a general purpose ship which makes it really awkward in it's use case. I hope they eventually come out with a more generalist or even combat focused version of the MSR that might be worth taking another look at but with the current state of the game the MSR just doesn't make sense.
I would put money on it that the MSR will get variants in the future. It's too popular!
I love msr too, would love to have the medical variant for it, wouldnt mind if some of the room inside is changed to like Tier3 med bed instead
I would say: Why not both, they have each their great loops :D
No reason not to own both unless your money is limited. I'll probably buy a MSR in game.
MSR will remain in my fleet as my biggest ship. As a solo player I don't need anything larger. As even this might be hairy maintenance wise. Plus Data/cargo running with scanning will be my main thing once it's here :D
o7. The MSR was made for you!
@@billionaireninjas pretty much :D now we just need a 2nd door on it.
Though I heard nothing of it I do expect the MSR to get a refresh. Same with the Freelancer. Of course I could say that about any ship not designed within the last 2yrs. 😆
I think the MSR will get a refresh I just don't think it will be massive. They'll probably add a second entrance, move some components around and make better use of the space though.
@@billionaireninjas no time soon they have a huge backlog of original ships to update Super Hornet Line, Auroras, Avengers, Freelancer and Freelancer Dur and on and on. All of which struggle with current gameplay and have zero components in existence.
I held onto my MSR for the longest time, mostly because of the advocacy paint, but i picked up the Drake Corsair and melted the MSR to the 400i, which was more in keeping with what i wanted to begin with.
I feel like so many people are holding onto it for nostalgia purposes or looks... Which is a perfectly legit reason. I always ask those people, does it fit how you actually want to play the game?
Can I have your advocacy skin please :)
@@lisa-azrabroad4137 subscribe I'm definitely doing giveaways in the future. I have at least two game packs to give away...maybe a few skins if people are interested. It has to be fair though. At the same time if you message CIG they will send you the mini-game to earn it!
@@billionaireninjas Do you know if CIG still allows the minigame thing? I didn't know that was an option, and I regretted missing out on it.
As for the ship, I'm gonna pick it back up. It got melted since I needed the credits for the F7A business. Data Running is definitely a loop I feel I'd enjoy, and it likely meshes well with Exploration, and whatever Science will be (I like the Sen).
Fwiw I also melted my MSR.
That video of Levski's hangar, I miss it
Keep it up yo 💪
Love my 600i, new sub.
I'd really like it if the MSR was a little smaller or had more hull health, had a second entrance and maybe no crawl space.
I wish the 600i had a bit less office desk/office space and a tad more storage. Would be the perfect ship w/3 size 5 guns. For a single pilot, this ship has great solo firepower and massive survivability.
The rework is coming my friend!
Looks like my comment keeps getting deleted by some RUclips system, so I'll try one more time. Okay a lot of you clearly didn't pickup on the hidden update at CitizenCon. The MSR and the Drake Herald are both data runners. Too many people are thinking that gameloop is going to just be 'go to station a, download digital cargo, go to station b, sell digital cargo.' That's not all we're getting, and they told us it won't be in a fun way that it seems only people excited for this loop caught. We are getting crafting. That crafting involves Blueprints that must be protected. These Blueprints can be for anything from an arc light sidearm to a Polaris. But they are a physical, tangible piece of data that can be held, traded, and stored away. And the data runners I listed above both have an extra seat that is specifically for a "wirelessly pirating that data away" loop that allows these ships to "acquire without permission" data.
You all go ahead and upgrade your MSR to a 600i. I'll wait for my data modules.
Oh I understand you. What I was saying in the video is I wasn't excited to be a data runner because of the gameplay. I was only excited because I like the MSR. For people who are genuinely excited for data running gameplay I definitely suggest keeping the MSR.
I have the MSR - I have the Cutlass Black.
I started with an Aurora MR - realised it wasn't for me got the upgrade to a Cutlass black and there's been many ships since but it's the Black that is my forever personal home. I will fly the CXR to get the random rescue because it's rewarding gameplay even if it's not profitable and comes with risk.
The game has so much scope to actually be all to everyone but that is a fine line. Will I get attacked on sight in the CXR in Pyro, will the ship have enough fuel to be worth using considering the distances involved. Would a Cutlass Red be better but it's a bigger target.
I can do box missions in a Constellation Andromeda - not fun but it can be done. That's an even bigger target but the boxes will get to their destination with good turret pilots.
I fought off a PvP attack while flying the C8X simply by turning towards and strafing while shooting on target. Pre MM however I don't think it would have made a difference. I think it was more shock that the aggressor flew away plus lack of cargo space to begin with.
Star Citizen is the first multiplayer game that makes me not want to mine or do any industry simply because it's not going to give me the same rush that I can get from EvE Online. After building ammo, drones and missiles to frigates and cruisers all the way up to a regular supply of capital ships and PvE Ishtars that people still can't fit and fly properly that was a heck of a journey but Star Citizen isn't going to offer that type of industry which is fine - as long as it provides other opportunities for positive player interaction with good scenery and ease of communication.
I had to choose between the 400i or the 600i for my fleet. Chose the latter since I’ve been in love with the design since it’s reveal at CitCon 2017. For me, this is forever MY Star Citizen ship. It’s the Tempest from Andromeda, if the 400i ever gets a refresh ( why would it, it’s very nice already for what it is) I will consider it once more
i got the 400i and hated the inside. but love the 600
But... the Advocacy Paint! Nothing rivals that!
Actually, my daily drivers are Vulture, C1, C8R, F8C.
Vulture right now is my bunker runner where I scrap ships left behind at bunkers, then run the bunkers if the security didn't already kill all.
C1 has easy in-and-out, cargo, tractor beam.
C8R is the bunker runner with med bed and super fast atmo speeds.
F8C is for solo bounties - unrivaled.
But I have both 600i versions as LTI Warbond buybacks. Just in case.
This is the way!
OKAY FINE. I’m melting my MSR😂 I bought a MSR a while ago because it’s one of my dream ships, but after “daily driving” it again those doors are rough, I bought a 600i in game and MAN IS IT NICE, I was feeling a bit guilty for liking it a lot more. I have a Zeus mk2 on order and I’ve been hearing the Zeus might be coming in may so I’d like to see what the interior of the Zeus is before I melt it. Great video😂
Have you considered the Drake Cutlass Black? replace the ammo pew pew with lasers for longevity and you can add an extra person on the turrets even without a fellow liquid sack it's a great ship.
I need more flight time on the MSR but it's only got two lasers as a solo pilot so those seats will need to be filled in the MSR for best results.
So what happened to the 600i rework?
I had similar thoughts. The rework is exciting. I did want a ship I can respond from and I had no interest in the carrack.
A2 for cargo and multi crew.
If the A2 had a medbed it would be my fav ship in the game.
Great summary dude. I own a 600i, but sometimes find it a bit slow and slightly too large for quick planet hops.
I like the idea of the rework, but I get the feeling it's going to need a few more people or AI (as per the Orgin automation benefits in the brochures) to get the most out of it in the future.
I ended up going down for my daily from the MSR. I love the Crusader aesthetic. I've found the C1 is just right for most loops.
However for general versatility (and in advance, I don't want to be one of those guys), honestly the Corsair has been the best all-around package for me.
It can solo ERTs in a few seconds with deadbolts or AD5s, and has enough space to take a good amount of cargo. I've made 12mil on lucky spawns. It also has enough space for either a Storm or an Ursa.
I find myself swapping between the C1 and Corsair depending on how much combat I think I'll find myself in.
Those are both great ships! The Corsair may be single greatest all-around ship for ERT's because everything else either doesn't do them as well or is highly specialized specifically for ERT's and nothing else. The C1 would be my daily driver if I wasn't specifically looking for large ships in the endgame. Great choices.
@@billionaireninjas haven't decided on my endgame large ship yet, but it will probably be either the 600i or the Galaxy (depending on how it turns out).
Can't resist space triangles!
I tried to like the MSR but it handles like a big ship= crud. The lights in third person mode. Can give a person seizures.
Doors doors, doors and more doors. Firepower sucks. And the speed… I guess it’s fast but not enough to keep me alive. I melted it for a Zeus SE, and MR and both of the Zeus ships have LTI with two chain upgrades, both will be better then the MSR I feel. But the 600i is a really nice ship. The gold standard will put it over the top. And I think the 600i is a better looking ship than the MSR.
5:50 I rebought mine because of the update video
lol, couple of days ago upgraded MSR to 600i
A different variant of the MSR would possibly have me throwing money at it.
I would fly the 600i over the MSR if it had more Cargo space. But 40SCU just don't cut it. A C1 is more useful than a 600i outside anything combat. We'll see what it will offer when it's time.
This is one of my major accepted reasons to keep the MSR. 40scu for such a huge ship is just not acceptable. I think it depends on what other ships you have though. I don't need my MSR to carry cargo because I have a C2 and a Caterpillar. Legit point for sure.
I have done a CCU (from my LTI token Mule) to the Zeus ES and will stick with my Freelancer MIS until it is released.
I’m not a ‘fleet’ collector and apart from my Titan starter ship, have a one-and-only ship that is my Millennium Falcon … the MSR is not a viable ‘Falcon’ substitute, despite the asymmetry.
Zeus is sleek, well armed (for a solo multi purpose), especially if I can put gimbals on the S4s without having to downgrade and AI turret blades come in, it’s massively well shielded, (4x S2), has fantastic hydrogen, QT and scanning range and enough cargo space for a notorious smuggler/scoundrel to make their way through the ‘verse without looking like a loot piñata.
Keep your flashy Crusader and Origin ships, I’m low key space rascal all the way.
I respect the non-ship collectors just as much as anyone else. Love it. See you on the other side of the verse my dude!
has a spawn point on it worth a buy :D
The MSR needs an update. Stated as a S4 size ship it should get all the components other S4 ships like the Corsair or the Constellations have. S3 shield and weapons is a must. And the sweet tiny Elevator should at least go down to the Ground.
I daily-ed a corsair, 100× better than when I daily drove an msr or freelancer max. Only ship I flew more than the corsair is the carrack thanks to its big ol shields and tanky-ness and that schweet med bay. If I could have the armory replaced with a t2 med bay on my corsair, I'd never fly anything else. I do love the idea of the galaxy however, bit smaller and it's a dorito with a med bay option xD
I have to say I am partial to the doritos... My polaris is almost dorito shaped lol. I also have mad respect for the corsair. them gunz!!!
I think the 600i might be the top of ships I can realistically see myself using.
For me I love the look and role of the Zeus MR
I like the MR as well. It seems like it's lacking a bit of cargo at only having 16 SCU but that only matters if you need to carry more. Great ship!
Melted my MSR long time ago - too many doors and unsued (crawl)space - although I admit it is a cool ship. Instead I got a Conny Phoenix - all the benefits of a Conny + nice interior and the best windows for looking at the verse. Land at some outpost and watch the sunrise over Daymar from your comfy chair - just great. Only downside is the hefty price tag.
As for the 600i. Absolutley love the shape that ship, and it certainly has the best owners cabin. So I am very intersted in the rework. But I am also a bit concerned. While the interior of the 600i Touring looks really great, it has no useful "features" and no vehicle garage at all, massivly limiting gameplay options. The 600i Explorer on the other hand seems to get all the features (Garage, storage, medbay, armory), but will most likely loose the luxury aspect. Let's wait and see, but I do not expect the the rework in 2024.
I still have my 400i (LTI) in buyback, with a CCU chain to 600i in hangar. If they get the reowrk right, I will be there to upgrade. But I will wait until the rework is actually in the game before I make my decission. I just hope they get the windows right.
Until then the Phoenix will have to do 🙂
Best windows? 600i and 890j might have something to say about that lol
The explorer version will still be luxury, just with a lot fewer amenities for guests, they will be for crew instead. The touring is only for people who want to do luxury VIP passenger gameplay. The Phoenix is a great ship though, I respect the wait for the rework. Glad you have the CCU so you don't have to pay the extra price when it inevitably goes up.
@@billionaireninjas The Captains cabin on the 600i has a great view, although it is blocked a bit to the sides. But the rear window feels a bit too high to get a good view of your surrondings. Land on some Shubin outpost with your 600i, go to the rear, and try look outside, you will see what I mean.Great view up, but hard to see the ground.
Still, if they keep all the promised features of the rework, I am quite sure I will end up with a 600i.
I also think that 99% of the players with a 600i will go for the Explorer version. Just so much more practical, and it even includes the ground vehicle.
Oh, and the 890 jump is a bit of an unfair comparison. 🙂 Nothing beats this ship for sure, but it clearly plays in a different league.
Cool ships!
i thought the 600i rework was pushed back
Currently it says 17 weeks. But it also said that two weeks ago... 😮💨
Interesting point of view. The MSR is a beautiful ship and has all right stats for a daily driver, but ultimately i got rid of it. The engine brightness was too much for when flying 3rd person.
Kind of sounds silly, but I just couldn't get around it.
What is your new daily driver?
Same.
You make some solid points, but ignore the engineering requirements coming down the pipeline. Solo gameplay in a 600i may no longer be viable when engineering gameplay comes online.
Thanks for the comment! You're right about engineering gameplay coming down the pipeline. I think the 600i still fits the bill better. The three pilot controlled guns are what really makes it soloable. The MSR will need an engineer as well, they'll just have less distance to travel within the ship. I didn't want to comment on the 600i component layout knowing a major rework was coming. It may be easier to engineer or worse after the rework.
I hope engineering isn’t too punishing. Solo gameplay is what most people do
I just melted my 600i for a Corsair and Sabre Firebird combo. I'll miss my 600i but won't fly it until the rework.
Freelancer Max with the knowledge thst s rework is coming is a great ship to have in your buy backs. I bought my during Invictus (may) event. $180 with 120 month insurance will be my choice for best bang for buck for someone looking to stay away from pvp flight. I love to here what people think is better. Although i know the Max isn't the best ship right now, I think the rework plus it being the largest ship to use the smallest worm holes which is under estimated
I might actually have every single Freelancer variant in my buybacks lmaooo how did you know?!
@@billionaireninjas I guess we have both been here long enough to see a good ship and an interesting rework that will keep people on their toes. I’m sure the freelancer Dur and the Max with go up in price after the rework. It might be a smart ideas for others during Invictus event in may. It’s also around tax return season ;)
I loved the MSR too, but I have to say the thing that was really kind of felt like a slap in the face almost.. Was when I was running bounty and mercenary missions with my friends, and father. We had a LOT of fun with the Scorpius, Andromeda, Redeemer, and heck even the Freelancer Dur lol.. But man then it happened, we ran across a Valkyrie and Hurricane, and what happened was they absolutely destroyed us.. at through our shields and soft-deathed us into a spiral toward the ground where we exploded in what seemed like 1/2 a second it was a joke how weak the MSR felt after just running those previous ships I mentioned. I know every ship is up for re-balance, and one day the MSR might be great? idk.. that moment stuck with me, and kind of put a bad taste in my mouth that the MSR is too much about speed, and too weak to actually do much of anything against other ships. As out dated and fugly as the Andromeda may be, I can't help but just get the feeling its twice the ship at a cheaper price than the MSR.
This feeling comes for us all my friend. The weak ship death has frustrated many a citizen. However, speed hasn't really been implemented as a major factor yet in game more of a minor annoyance. Once it comes online especially with master modes. It will be much easier to flee. That being said...i will gladly welcome you to the 600i club!
@@billionaireninjas I'm hoping the MSR finds a better balance with master modes. Buuuuuut, I also know the Connies will be getting a late re-work, meaning as one of the last ships in the game to be re-worked it might end up being that the Connies are very nice. Fingers crossed on both. But yeah haha, In the mean time I agree, 3x size 5's and champagne on the 600-bye < my actual ships name in game. ;)
I really wanted to love the MSR, but after an hour or two the shine wore off and I knew the 600i was more my taste
It is not advisable to rely on current stats when choosing your ships for past the alpha and beta development stages. I can pretty much guarantee you that where the 600i lies in the current balance is going to change yet again, especially since a lot of other ships are long overdue for a rebalancing.
Great point. I try not to rely on stats too much but simply allow them to push me over the edge if I'm considering a ship. I focus more on features.
They honestly should rework the MSR. There's too many usability problems with it. It's not even about the concept or the "unusable" crawlspace to me, it's about how chaotic it is... It needs a center hallway so that you can lock people from accessing the servers, it needs an access elevator (it already has an elevator that is completely useless, why doesn't it reach the ground outside like the C2's), it needs a ramp that levels the cargo area with the main deck so that you don't have to jump every time (i'm sure nobody uses the elevator) and it needs more or better pilot controlled guns. It's bigger than the C1 but has the same amount of guns yet you need 3 people to fire them?? Also the components can't be taken out of their slots because they don't fit through the doors xD
I would be surprised if CIG weren't already thinking about reworking it or even in the process of it.
With the 600i you also get a g12 Rover
Exactly!
The 600i rework will be a Carrack replacement if it ever happens.
Meh, i kept the MSR. I have a lot of big ships and my daily is the MSR. I also have the Zues MK2 MR and CL and eventually the ES. Those will be my main ships. The MSR is gonna be my goal oriented ships IMO. I do believe it will get an overhaul. It has to. It is a huge waste of potential as is. I will be carrying a fury for the MSR and perhaps on my other ships as well.
i hope for a dataminer gameloop so i dont want to upgrade my merc honestly
Keep it! If thats the gameplay you'll actually use thats perfect! Its not for me at this point but I respect it!
I said the same thing 2 days ago on reddit and got downvoted to oblivion.
MSR looks the best to me, yet it is the worst medium freighter there is, If crusader C1 had looks of MSR and all the stats. THAT would be so freaking good. MSR has 38k hp, this is laughable for ship that size..
Everything new is fun. I'm sticking with the MSR. It was the first Crusader ship and needs some fixing. It will also get a rework, just much much later.
? I'm confused... the 600i debuted before the MSR are you saying that's why you want to keep it?
With the CCU game and some planning i have both for cheaper than a retail 600i.
if i recal 130 for the msr and 215 for the 600i
CCU Game FTW! The champ is here!
Which 600i did you get? 😁
600i Explorer! I want to use it as a short range explorer where when I hit a limit I'll go back and get my Odyssey to trek out further. The Touring is great but I feel like the rest of the luxury ships are perfect for earn-in game. I get a little bit of luxury in my 600i though lol
@@billionaireninjas Right on, sounds like a sound choice. Thanks 👍.
I would like that skin for it
I think you missed that the MSR is supposed to fit in small jump points and the 600i will not. That may be a huge difference for a daily driver, or it may not matter at all. Time will tell.
I have smaller ships for that but good point!
give it faster doors or a lift to the cockpit. four sided shields, and vtol. then it will be a very good crewed ship
The MSR?
yes@@billionaireninjas
My MSR is an Eclipse. 😂
I get it lol
12th highest shield pool yes, but 'when' things finally change it's body is a composite material that has almost zero armour or health it's totally reliant on its shields - drop those and its a sitting duck...
Do you have a source for that because from everything I can find about armor on the 600i shows it having way above average. However i will say this... It's not a pvp fighter ift a PVE masterpiece though.
600i will be a nightmare to fly solo after engineering gameplay hits.
If so, that would be true for most ships that require crew. Remember engineering isn't necessary all the time, especially if you take care of your ship when it's in a hangar. If parts of your ship are being blown off or destroyed to the point where only and engineer can save you, you either brought the wrong ship, or it's time to run anyway
also the 600i will become more of a capital ship in the rework... and that means it prolly gonna require multicrew and more upkeep,... eventually in the futur when that's implemented,
tho the 600i have remote turret so those could be automated with AI blade when that gonna be implemented too...
I don't think they will want this to compete too heavily with the 890 jump so I think it will stay a large ship. It already technically requires multi-crew, I think those numbers will stay roughly the same though, the med bed may take it from crew size 2-5 to crew size 2-6. The things it is adding make it more useful but not more difficult to upkeep. I am so looking forward to ai blades and npc crew though because at this point basically some people are saying they will be almost useless and I do not see that being the case.
I own both a MSR and 600i but no way would I say the 600i makes the MSR redundant. This is because the main selling point of the MSR, for me, is that it's speed means I don't have to fight so shields and firepower are irrelevant.
I actually melted my 400i to get the 600i because the MSRs superior cargo carrying makes the 400i redundant.
The 600i as it stands is not that useful to me with all its wasted space and useless cargo capacity but I am excited by the reworked version that not only fits a Nova Tank but also has a secondary cargo bay to carry cargo while the elevator is carrying a vehicle. It also has a med bay which is the main reason people buy carrack.
No sir. I'm not saying it makes it redundant at all! I'm saying I don't need it for the gameplay I'll be playing the most. Having both sounds great!
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I appreciate the support!
Buying big, before engineering comes out, might be something that bites you.
I agree. I also believe that buying small before AI Blades and NPC Crew comes out.... might be something that bites me as well.