Hi Lauren, Thank you so much for watching! We have a few more full interviews with Pamela Jaye Smith. Here is a playlist. We hope you enjoy them! Thanks again. :). buff.ly/2SaqzYk
My top 8 Romantic comedies of all time (by date): His Girl Friday, The Apartment, Naked Gun 2 & 1/2, Groundhog Day, Clerks, Chasing Amy, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and Bridesmaids. Some of these are kind of Romantic comedy-dramas.
Oh yeah, Chasing Amy and Forgetting Sarah Marshall, the first kiss is SIGNIFICANTLY more important than the sex scenes shorty after (implied in Chasing Amy)
I don’t write Rom coms for the reason she states. It’s my favorite genre because I’m a sucker for the meet-cute and the journey to the inevitable big kiss at the end. It’s a fun escape - which is why we go to the movies in the first place.
Never say, "It HAS to have this. It's GOT to have that." One thing I've learned from watching so many of these videos and writing my own scripts is that there are FEW, if ANY, hard and fast rules about story-telling. There are common mistakes fixed by common guidelines, but there are no certain rules. There's always an exception. "They're more what you'd call guidelines, than actual rules." -Barbossa- Pirates of the Caribbean
I agree. I think these rules that Pamela says you "must have" are rules that are good to use at times, but can be broken too when you get good at your craft.
I've read seven different versions of Orpheus, both from an Aristotelean and Plutonian perspective, and never have I heard of his wife surviving or coming back later. This led me to question some of the other things said later, and greatly devalued the rest of the interview for me. In fact, on a second view, and reading the comments to see if anyone else mentioned this - there are several concerns about this interview. Not your best. :(
Orpheus and Eurydice is a myth not only in Greek stories but in Japanese, Indian and Central American stories so there are many versions. Most are tragedies, but there are one or two where they get together. For a example a common subversion is where Orpheus engineers his own death and in others Zeus feels sorry for him and kills him so Orpheus and Eurydice are united in Hades.
The #1 rule of romance is that they have to get together on the end. The difference between a tragedy and a comedy is that it all works out in the end. Pamela is a famous writer who sees a lot more stories than the average person. All of these points together conclude that what she said is accurate to the topic. Regardless of if she's seen the myth end differently somewhere, which is plausible, as a romcom, they have to get together, and it all work out.
Very informative and useful video. But saying that "people who write about love, or who write romantic comedies, are losers" is one of the strangest comments I've ever heard a writing consultant make. And I know quite a few personally.
Agreed. There is another group of us who write and draw romamce simply because we idealize and romantasize (lol) romance itself just because it's fun and makes you feel happy. And it could make others happy. As a writer/illustrator in a happy relationship who mainly does fantasy romance stories, I can vouch for this other "group" of us.
I think that the comedy aspect is important here. Comedy is a coping mechanism so I think it makes a lot of sense that people who have had their heart broken or haven't been lucky in terms of love would make a romantic comedy to be self deprecating, but also fantasize about what could have been.
Unfortunately, it seems big Hollywood names gave up on the rom com genre...Until Marry Me with J.Lo and Wilson, I don't remember a high profile movie in this genre being released in years. Only Netflix garbage (not because actors were not famous but simply because the movies are garbage).
I could take pages unpacking this interview, but I will focus on one fairly minor point. She makes the claim that there was better dialogue in older movies. I am not qualified to say if that is true, but it seems likely that the movies with better dialogue (and characters and plot and...) would be the ones more likely to survive to be viewed by a modern person. I remember seeing movies in the 70's (yes, I'm old) that moved me, but on later reflection were only pretty good and I can't even remember their names. Most of what is being made today will be forgotten in forty years. Creating something memorable might be harder than making something entertaining, profitable or maybe even Oscar-worthy.
"losers write about love" -- what a bizarre thing to say, and to show how little she thinks of people who might be interested in this video, ha. gross.
Vehemently Flat I agree, it’s not a loser or winner thing, I don’t know why she jugdes people like this but she s right when she said that it’s the kind of subject chosen by people who can’t have that kind of romance in their lives.
Yeah, many writers use the romance genre for escapism and as a coping mechanism, and many just write aboit romamce because it makes money, but both of those groups don't make up the entirety of the writers in the romamce genre. In fact, they are probably two smaller groups among the other reasons writers write romamce stories.
We're all gonna be losers in love at one point. Nothing exciting storywise if there is no challenges or experiences to grow from. I think that goes for real life too. I'm a loser in the game of love, but that gives me something to write about so who is really winning here? Don't feel bad! It's gonna be okay.
Ofc you hate that crap. On the other hand Annie Hall is a great movie, one if not the best romantic comedy in the history of cinema. Why don't you like it?
@@ciobrombe825 Well, I don't know about Jennifer Mead, but I don't like Annie Hall because it seems like Woody Allen is merely working out his psychological issues through his movies, and those kinds of movies don't have a good track record in my book.
@@ciobrombe825 Lots of reasons, some good, some less so. First, it’s not a romantic comedy, it’s a comic film about a failed romance. Second, I find Woody irritating as a lead, which is nothing to do with the accusations against him. Third, I really only like watching good looking or confident men fall in love. You can’t be weedy and whiny together, only one negative at a time. Fourth, the ‘charming’ lobster scene disgusts me. They are joking around while preparing to boil animals to death.
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This Lady just become my new idol. Thank you for letting us see her interview here.
Hi Lauren, Thank you so much for watching! We have a few more full interviews with Pamela Jaye Smith. Here is a playlist. We hope you enjoy them! Thanks again. :). buff.ly/2SaqzYk
Do this for all genres! Love the lenght and detail of this, thank you!
My top 8 Romantic comedies of all time (by date): His Girl Friday, The Apartment, Naked Gun 2 & 1/2, Groundhog Day, Clerks, Chasing Amy, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, and Bridesmaids.
Some of these are kind of Romantic comedy-dramas.
Oh yeah, Chasing Amy and Forgetting Sarah Marshall, the first kiss is SIGNIFICANTLY more important than the sex scenes shorty after (implied in Chasing Amy)
I don’t write Rom coms for the reason she states. It’s my favorite genre because I’m a sucker for the meet-cute and the journey to the inevitable big kiss at the end. It’s a fun escape - which is why we go to the movies in the first place.
I’m only 3/4 into the interview, but any good story has a touch of romance. It’s bigger than the classic boy meets girl she’s describing.
Never say, "It HAS to have this. It's GOT to have that." One thing I've learned from watching so many of these videos and writing my own scripts is that there are FEW, if ANY, hard and fast rules about story-telling. There are common mistakes fixed by common guidelines, but there are no certain rules. There's always an exception.
"They're more what you'd call guidelines, than actual rules." -Barbossa- Pirates of the Caribbean
I agree. I think these rules that Pamela says you "must have" are rules that are good to use at times, but can be broken too when you get good at your craft.
Bada Bing!!!! Film Courage Is Where It's At!!!!!!!!!!!!
Great Questions Result In Awesome Answers!!!!!!!!!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
This is fabulous. Thank you so much for sharing this great knowledge. I'm hoping to write novels in this genre and this is so helpful 😊
Great video. I'm working on a romantic comedy now and making notes as I watch.
I kinda need Pam to be my therapist... 😂
Sensational interview
This was very educational ❤ thanks for posting this !!
A wonderful in depth interview which I'll recommend to my playwrights in Dublin
Cheers Alice! 🇮🇪
L❤VE THIS
Thanks very much for this channel!
I've read seven different versions of Orpheus, both from an Aristotelean and Plutonian perspective, and never have I heard of his wife surviving or coming back later. This led me to question some of the other things said later, and greatly devalued the rest of the interview for me. In fact, on a second view, and reading the comments to see if anyone else mentioned this - there are several concerns about this interview. Not your best. :(
Orpheus and Eurydice is a myth not only in Greek stories but in Japanese, Indian and Central American stories so there are many versions. Most are tragedies, but there are one or two where they get together. For a example a common subversion is where Orpheus engineers his own death and in others Zeus feels sorry for him and kills him so Orpheus and Eurydice are united in Hades.
The #1 rule of romance is that they have to get together on the end. The difference between a tragedy and a comedy is that it all works out in the end. Pamela is a famous writer who sees a lot more stories than the average person. All of these points together conclude that what she said is accurate to the topic. Regardless of if she's seen the myth end differently somewhere, which is plausible, as a romcom, they have to get together, and it all work out.
Is Euridice really pronounced like that in US English? Isn't it Eurydicka? Or Eurydice?
Also, as always, thanks for the content!
Very informative and useful video. But saying that "people who write about love, or who write romantic comedies, are losers" is one of the strangest comments I've ever heard a writing consultant make. And I know quite a few personally.
Agreed. There is another group of us who write and draw romamce simply because we idealize and romantasize (lol) romance itself just because it's fun and makes you feel happy. And it could make others happy. As a writer/illustrator in a happy relationship who mainly does fantasy romance stories, I can vouch for this other "group" of us.
I think that the comedy aspect is important here. Comedy is a coping mechanism so I think it makes a lot of sense that people who have had their heart broken or haven't been lucky in terms of love would make a romantic comedy to be self deprecating, but also fantasize about what could have been.
Unfortunately, it seems big Hollywood names gave up on the rom com genre...Until Marry Me with J.Lo and Wilson, I don't remember a high profile movie in this genre being released in years. Only Netflix garbage (not because actors were not famous but simply because the movies are garbage).
I could take pages unpacking this interview, but I will focus on one fairly minor point. She makes the claim that there was better dialogue in older movies. I am not qualified to say if that is true, but it seems likely that the movies with better dialogue (and characters and plot and...) would be the ones more likely to survive to be viewed by a modern person. I remember seeing movies in the 70's (yes, I'm old) that moved me, but on later reflection were only pretty good and I can't even remember their names. Most of what is being made today will be forgotten in forty years. Creating something memorable might be harder than making something entertaining, profitable or maybe even Oscar-worthy.
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"losers write about love" -- what a bizarre thing to say, and to show how little she thinks of people who might be interested in this video, ha. gross.
Vehemently Flat I agree, it’s not a loser or winner thing, I don’t know why she jugdes people like this but she s right when she said that it’s the kind of subject chosen by people who can’t have that kind of romance in their lives.
Yeah, many writers use the romance genre for escapism and as a coping mechanism, and many just write aboit romamce because it makes money, but both of those groups don't make up the entirety of the writers in the romamce genre. In fact, they are probably two smaller groups among the other reasons writers write romamce stories.
We're all gonna be losers in love at one point. Nothing exciting storywise if there is no challenges or experiences to grow from. I think that goes for real life too. I'm a loser in the game of love, but that gives me something to write about so who is really winning here? Don't feel bad! It's gonna be okay.
I agree. It’s slightly insulting.
me, a loser writing about love, watching this
I hate Annie Hall but not as much as I hate Trainwreck.
Ofc you hate that crap. On the other hand Annie Hall is a great movie, one if not the best romantic comedy in the history of cinema. Why don't you like it?
@@ciobrombe825 Well, I don't know about Jennifer Mead, but I don't like Annie Hall because it seems like Woody Allen is merely working out his psychological issues through his movies, and those kinds of movies don't have a good track record in my book.
@@ciobrombe825 Lots of reasons, some good, some less so. First, it’s not a romantic comedy, it’s a comic film about a failed romance. Second, I find Woody irritating as a lead, which is nothing to do with the accusations against him. Third, I really only like watching good looking or confident men fall in love. You can’t be weedy and whiny together, only one negative at a time. Fourth, the ‘charming’ lobster scene disgusts me. They are joking around while preparing to boil animals to death.
Meh.