Rouland: China Is Ahead of Us in AI
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2023
- Phosphorus Cybersecurity CEO and co-founder Chris Rouland joins Caroline Hyde and Ed Ludlow to discuss the growing concerns over China's espionage activities and AI advances, and what these increased US-China tensions will mean for businesses.
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China does not ban Micron chips. it is known Micron lobbied congress to take action against Chinese competitors. China advised companies not to use Micron chips in their infrastructure. a slap on the wrist.
Literally laughable.
We USA are in vulgar decline right now!
@@davidferrari7543bro you literally are a fake account. Delete yourself
No shit. They’re ahead of us in curriculum. They actually teach comp sci as core curriculum, meanwhile the US has barely adapted core curriculum since the 80s. We are abysmal in every facet of education. This gap will only grow exponentially unless we seriously start to invest and care about our education system the way China, Singapore (especially) and many other countries do. They are too far ahead of us to reasonably expect for the US to lead in any tech industry in the next decade alone. This will also be clear as war evolves to tech and aerospace.
Why is US failing on educating people
There is no need for Americans to fear. After all, you can just identify as a programmer or tech expert, and instantly turn into one. Woke magic is more powerful than Socialist Realism!
@@joealbert1136 Because schools just don't care, as well as, half of the kids don't care about school nor the parents. Financial literacy, computer science, and etc. in public schools are rare because not many school boards/students care for it. I worked in a middle school and more than half of the class had grades in C's,D's,F's. And these same kids were the ones skipping school, doing devious licks, and having let's say SUPER intimate hangouts in the bathrooms. During COVID, school district got lots of money and guess what they spent with it? Gaming PCs; for a "future" computer science class that still doesn't exist. Not saying all schools are like this, but the public school system is broken and does not prepare anybody well for the real world. Overall, our society is rotting.
@@joealbert1136 - The US, last time I checked, was about 19th in the world in educational rankings... no country has ever run the world from such a lowly position. Your education of today is your economy of tomorrow and China is top in world rankings (even though Google tries to hide that by breaking China up into Shanghai/Hong Kong/Taiwan, etc.). The 21st century is a century of technology and education is key... this will be the century not only of China, but of Asia. The world is rebalancing back to how it used to be, when Asia always dominated the world. It's all about STEM in education and the west stopped teaching STEM because of many reasons but a major factor was pressure from parents to make the curriculum easier... ending up with too many students with degrees in language studies, history or gender studies and these topics don't build economies.
@@mikemooney9124 Taiwan and China are not the same.
All these hi-tech were largely available in West but never shared openly with developing countries and people-in-need. Now with China in the lead, such technologies and collaborations help world towards a shared and prosperous future.
What has China shared with Africa except for loans that eventually turns into indebted slavery of the country?
LOL you just a CCP shill hahahaha
You work for China Daily?
China is lagging behind the US in AI technology but leading in quantum communications.
So what is AI exactly?
stop NS, china is ahead of US in both AI and quantum commucation as wells as quantum compuation,
@@xinyiquan666China is unable to develop machine learning/LLM that are comparable to ChatGPT4 and Google Bard...means they are significantly lagging behind US in AI...
China's largest quantum computer Zuchongzhi 2.1, has a computational power of 66 qubits but IBM's Osprey from US boasts 433 qubits. Not only is the US leading , but is also ahead in all quantum computing methods such as superconducting qubits, photonic quantum computing, topological quantum computing, semiconducting quantum computing, and nitrogen vacancy
@JackSmith-mk1ru China is unable to develop machine learning/LLM that are comparable to ChatGPT4 and Google Bard...means they are significantly lagging behind US in AI...
China's largest quantum computer Zuchongzhi 2.1, has a computational power of 66 qubits but IBM's Osprey from US boasts 433 qubits. Not only is the US leading , but is also ahead in all quantum computing methods such as superconducting qubits, photonic quantum computing, topological quantum computing, semiconducting quantum computing, and nitrogen vacancy
AI all depends on the source it's trained on, when it comes to machine learning and AI evolvement, China has a massive source of data, so it's lightyears ahead on that front. The issue with theirs is accuracy, because the data they mine will be a product of their own ecosystem, and skewed to a certain bias.
Why would China want US AI companies there if China is so far ahead.
Take the media coverage with a grain of salt. They are just trying to compete with each others that "know" everything
China is ahead in ai in terms of how tiktok uses ai algorithm. But China isn't ahead in ai when it is used in areas like chatgpt. So what he said is a bit misleading.
@@44jwong so how much more you know than him in this field ?
@@zelgie3013
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Why China has an edge on artificial intelligence
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How do you even gauge better AI?
China does not have the chip design (Nvidia) the fabs (tsmc) euv (asml) lasers for that (Trumpf) lenses (zeiss).
They dont have chatgpt (us), they didnt invent stable diffusion (uk, germany), and they won't be able to train them without the GPUs from Nvidia.
I'm not saying we should relax, but they are certainly far behind us, and that will stay that way for a long time wirhout modern GPU clusters.
What, because you haven't heard about it it doesn't exist? The Western media has no idea what's going on in China.
Your mentality is like what Americans restricted the Chinese from participating in the International Space station. I can’t believe you’re still believe our media and dirty politicians that we elected which told us TikTok can tapped onto our wifi! Clowns leading the clowns! Disgusted war mongering criminals committing war atrocities and aggression
Lol. I mean, China does have more logistical footing on where the raw materials needed for manufacturing are from. If, Europe or North America becomes complacent, it will not end well for them. China practically has the leverage on the supply chain. And it has forged economic partnerships with emerging economies, which the West has heavily sanctioned. Keep your delusions up.
You Should read more reports about China dude
They are already mass producing ,7nm without ASML machines, nowadays they are really near to produce their firsts 5nm chips, remember that china barely had 27nm tech 2 years ago
They are growing their chip tech at massive rate
As well as AI and supercomputing, Quantum technology, hypersonic technology, MAGLEV tech, telecomunications tech, 5G, 6G, green tech, nuclear tech etc
@@damianjf6357 Of course they are... lol
China isn't ahead of Google when it comes to AI. Not even close.
Because you know exactly what 's going on in China? You have an all access pass?
@@Moigle1 CAn you give at least one real world evidence to base your position that China is ahead?
They are ahead in quantum communication.
@@Moigle1 just returned from
@@Moigle1 Actually you have some access. There are videos about China's AI things. Except almost none of those are actually AI.
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This is midleading, China is unable to develop machine learning/LLM that are comparable to ChatGPT4 and Google Bard...means they are significantly lagging behind US in AI...
China's largest quantum computer Zuchongzhi 2.1, has a computational power of 66 qubits but IBM's Osprey from US boasts 433 qubits. Not only is the US leading , but is also ahead in all quantum computing methods such as superconducting qubits, photonic quantum computing, topological quantum computing, semiconducting quantum computing, and nitrogen vacancy
You need to understand the real difference between Huawei's Pangu and the American chatgpt, and you will understand which big models are the real king
Let’s not be fooled about how AI will be used!
A.I systems and tools has a god like potential in science and technology productivity innovation. But depends on how good is the date
He needs to qualify what he means by China is ahead of the US in AI.... not for Frontier AI models
the point copying/stealing.... someone has to have it first to steal...so do your own calculation
I’m very suspicious about Bloomberg’s reporting.
most of the physics done by British and americans is not even accurate, it's full of mistakes
One of our strengths in the US is actually immigration because we get a large cheap workforce from Latin America and alot of tech talent from Asia like India, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea and even China!
cheap labor. Take exploitation to the extreme.🥲
@@user-nq8vt5xr6j Exploitation? Well when these criminals come to the US so they won't be killed I wonder what exploitation you are talking about?
@@napobg6842 I see. People who have committed crimes in other countries. All of them can flee to the United States on the grounds of political persecution. Murderers, economic criminals. Is that what you mean? Isn't this disrupting the rule of law in other countries?
We USA are in vulgar decline right now!
I don't think so， chatgpt is more excellent than chinese model
This is complete nonsense - as any well informed person on this biased channel will know. Biased you say ? Well try to retrieve some very interesting recent tubes on AI. In the days of (early) windows it was said 'what you see is what you get' - Now we see and don't 'get' neutral unbiased tubes (only the stupid or old ones). It's a miracle nobody has spotted it, yet.
You are in denial? China is far FAR ahead of us USA according to the Pentagon and CIA!
Also seriously what are you trying to say? Tubes? And why are you writing like an Alzheimer's patient?
China in few words: New world leader ❤
Snort! China is not ahead of us in AI, they have some capabilities with AI but that does not equate to some how being ahead of the US. Furthermore China is at least a decade behind the US on microprocessors and that distance is now set to grow as the sheer amount of money in China being lost to corruption is just mind boggling.
What you are seeing since Trump took office in 2017 is the US slowly and steadily pulling ahead of the Chinese on just about any industry that requires large processing power.
When you combine this with all the other crap going on inside China you get a general picture of malaise that doesn't indicate China getting ahead of the US at least not without the US actively aiding China and that's not happening any more for obvious reasons.
Furthermore don't expect China to pull out of the current economic downturn inside China quickly. China requires a complete overhaul of its economic system and that's unlikely to happen until things utterly break inside China and the CCP has no other choice.
Go on, comfort yourself. As Ray Dalio says, when you don't worry, you need to worry.
Take a visit to china and see if you’ll still be saying the same thing 😅. Don’t just rely on what the media feeds ya bud
@JackSmith-mk1ru China doesn't have the capacity to manufacture specialized CPUs GPUs and other high end microchips designed for AI application.
Take for instance ChatGPT it uses 10,000 of these highly specialized chipsets to function and that's just one AI company where as the US now has over 100 companies and growing.
Now you go to China and what do you find? They have a total of 40,000 of these chips in the entirety of their country and they are locked out of ever buying more of them at least through legal means. So riddle me this how is it that China can be wayyyyyy far ahead of the US when the lack the hardware to run the software?
@@secretd5 I have reliable sources both inside China and out letting me know what's going on inside China beyond the lies the CCP is pandering. Turns out my sources are pretty freaking good considering I called out the fact that China's economic recovery from the inane covid19 controls were not going to be rapid and that ended up being correct. Now it looks like China is heading into a decades long economic stagflation much as Japan did.
Worse still is you don't even have to step foot into China to figure this out because data at least the data we can verify independently of the CCP is confirming all this.
@@chiaweinam Snort! No matter what happens I'm certain that the right course of action is economic decoupling from China. Xi is not trustworthy and will use any opportunity to stab the US in the back. Better to be done with that devil now that we exactly what he is.
EVEN IN U.S UNIVERSITIES ASIAN AMERICANS LEAD IN SCIENCE AND MATH. STOP INSULTING THIS PEOPLE AND LETS INVEST IN AMERICAN EDUCATION.
There is a reason for that. Literally the best Asians are going to America to study. They are a small minority and looking at their average results it is obvious that they would be much higher than the average white or black guy. But if we take the average from the best white or black guys we see very similar results with some groups being better than other groups in different subjects.
@JackSmith-mk1ru Maybe that's why the US is home to by far the most top 1% of AI engineers in the world. Because they leave for China... And yet China has no answer to the latest developments in the area of AI products. Maybe that's why America is home to by far the best and most widely used AI hardware (A100 and H100) in the world. Because they leave for China. Maybe that's why America dominates even the Chinese market in the area of AI-driven car companies like Nio and Xpeng. Because they leave for China...