Star Model A Carbine
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Star introduced the Model A as the commercial sale version of the Model 1920 and 1921 pistols which they had entered into Spanish military trials in 1920. The pistol was rejected by the Army in favor of the Astra 400, but the Spanish Guardia Civil adopted it as their standard sidearm. The original design included a grip safety which was quickly removed, and in 1921 the Model A was added to Star’s sales catalog.
The blossoming civil war in China was creating a significant demand for automatic pistols by the late 1920s, especially ones with shoulder stocks and large magazines. The Mauser C96 was proving exceptionally popular, and Star attempted to gain a foothold in that market with a carbine variant of their Model A. This version included an extended barrel, wooden combination holster and stock, and optional 16- and 32-round magazines. It was chambered for the 7.63mm Mauser cartridge, instead of the 9mm Largo used by the domestic Spanish market.
The Star failed to sell well, however, being far less popular that the C96 and its lookalikes (such as the Astra Model 900 series). Even a select-fire version of the Star failed to drive significant sales, and the gun was discontinued in 1928.
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"There is a slot machined here on the grip......" It would be epic if there is a slot machine on the grip.
Sharpice Woods for the Asian market, it would be pachinko.
Na too many old women would be using it.
Get a 777 and that gun turns into a railgun for one shot!
That stock/holster is in amazingly good condition for its age. Kudos to whoever has taken care of it over the years.
Yeah it is, very similar to the stock/holster of the russian Stechkin APS
Do you live at rock island auction and you only leave to go to shot show??
This pistol reminds me how much I want a stocked Bergmann
For the first 30 seconds of the video, my mind missed the stock and it seemed to me to be a part of your arm. I didn't remember him having a two-tone arm, so I was bumfuzzled for a brief period.
Gadsden Guy Lol I thought the same thing.
Michael Treu Good, good. I'm not getting dippy just yet, then ;)
Lol, mind blown!!!!
🙈😂😂
Ian's not the only one who has love for the stocked pistol 👍
Oooooh so that's why the broomhandle is called the "chinesse pistol" in Fallout 3
elneutrino90
if its called the "Chinese pistol" they should have called it the box cannon, that's what China called the C96.
Detective John Kimble Fallout 3 is earlier than Vegas, checkmate
How much do you want to bet that Bergmann sponsored the recent Bergmann Bonanza?
Bergmann has been defunct for decades.
Forgotten Weapons That's what they what you to think
Bergmann gearing up for a comeback
Yes, he clearly received a commission from a dead man and his long defunct company... or he gained access to an impressive private collection. It is one of those.
Bergnie would have won.
One of the things I always liked about the Star is that it did NOT have the rear grip safety.
J.L. Roberts Yeah, but the 7.62mm chambering kinda sucks...
Xr8dACE, I think they made later models in larger calibres. I will have to check on that.
Any one else get confused by there being a stock on the pistol in the thumbnail but not the video but them you release the stock isn't Ian's arm
Maybe he is evolving Pokemon style?
Granted Ian would evolve in to some sort of French gun.
I'd like to see the return of carbine pistols.
Unfortunately, unless gun regulations change I don't see them becoming commercially viable again
Maybe Trump will modify or eliminate the NFA,#daretodream
That shoulder thing makes it more concealable and able to empty a .30 caliber clip in half a second, so the ATF says No Fun Allowed.
I should put a bucket under you to catch the dripping sarcasm, LOL
Myra Madd Glock + AR15 stock adapter + arm brace = modern NFA compliant 'stocked pistol' ;)
I also am a fan of stocked pistols! Currently looking to SBR one of my 1911 pistols. Shame there really isn't anyone making parts to do it.
Would that be considered a left-handed holster? Perhaps that is the reason for the mismatch.
I am still waiting for a Stechkin APS video from Ian, a full review with development history and a range trip (in a period-correct KGB uniform). Shooting from the hip and with one hand in full auto as the genre demands.
Hopefully we can ditch much of the NFA in the next few years.
sharpie443 I expect a reasonable reinterpretation of the 2nd amendment. We will likely be able to purchase silencers, full auto machine guns, and he will do away with NFA rules completely. I can't wait to order my full auto Lady's Home Companion with a supressor.
Getting rid of old laws that make no sense is almost an impossibility They are too useful to career politicians for garnering votes from their illogical voter base. If anything, they just ad more nonsensical laws which which don't achieve anymore results than the previous ones.
Ma Dude.
Many folks that purchased 5 and 6 figure NFA items want the prohibition to continue to protect their (artificially inflated) investments. it will be a tough sell to see new FA's again.
Maybe we can just have suppressors, SBR/SBSs and AOWs taken off the list.
Stocked pistols are an interesting area. Less efficient than a true carbine perhaps, and the rear sight is rather far from the eye. But they are relatively light and usable to some distance. I am sure the military and Winchester had all that in mind while developing the M1 Carbine. I like the stocked and tangent sighted Hi-Powers the best, but i wonder if the C96 had better range. Great video as always
Thank you Ian for also stating the dimensions in millimetres! So subtle and easy to miss but I noticed it! :-)
Do you have any of the pistol stocked carbine's in your collection? ....... If so what are they?
US gun laws need to match common sense. SBR, stocked pistols, suppressors, should all be removed as NFA items. Its not a firearm that does terrible things its terrible people who do them.
gun laws will only get worse in America.
An end to the Bergman, thank god!
Its not a Bergman pistol.
Exported to Japan and then to China? Considering the disappointing nature of Japan's military handguns , I'm surprised these did not become more influential in Japan.
Mostly exported to Japan as a means to sell them in China, through Japanese companies that were sold them by European companies to act as intermediaries in a foreign continent. The "disappointing nature of Japan's military handguns" thing is largely overblown, they did their job and were hardly an important part of their military doctrine. China is one of the few markets in the world were pistols were ever an important part of the military doctrine, and only for a time due to imposed import regulations. The Imperial Japanese Army would not have been more successful if it had a Sig P226.
Also note that officers had to purchase their own sidearms, so I’m sure that someone may have bought one.
I really need it for myself says my heart but my wallet says no so I hope who ever gets it has fun with it
Is this some Vintage footage?
Yes, I actually filmed this for the previous Regional auction, but the gun was moved to this upcoming one.
I find the way stocked pistols grew up to get around the legal situation fascinating. Are there other examples where that's happened?
Which is newer the 1911 or the 1921?
We're they brought out together?
With your permission, Ian. In Castilian we pronounce "Guardia Civil" something like "G-oo-ardia th-ivil". I know you aim to please, so...
Astonish work, as usual. Don't stop.
my grandfather had an old Star, not quite sure which model, but if you took of the stock on the one in the video, it would be pretty similar. also, it fires some kind of short 9mm, he supposedly got it in congo from an old friend when he was serving in the air force and brought it home with him.
Don't joke with us Ian, we know Bergmann traveled to Spain and re-branded his company after his first pistol fell out of favor. That Bergmann, so resourceful!
My dad has one of these. Without the stock. I don't remember if it has a grip safety or not. he shoots it.
What a beautifully made pistol and holster.
Is that insect damage on the right grip panel? Man, I bet this gun would have some tales to tell...
Since you do have an interest in stocked pistols, I'd love to hear your opinion on B&T's new pistol when there is more information available. Was it perhaps at SHOT?
add in a bad but really long silencer and you have a SMG.
Hanyun Song you don't need a suppressor to be an smg, but you would need select fire, though
Hanyun Song never mind about the select fire. Didn't watch the rest of the video before commenting
Hanyun Song What does a suppressor have to do with a SubMachineGun?
a longer barrel.
Hanyun Song Again. What does a longer barrel have to do with an SMG?
where can I find more information on the arms embargo? I tried a bit of searching but couldn't find much, not asking the right questions I guess.
I'm curious what your opinion as a weapons expert is on the recent selection of the Sig Sauer P320 (probably designated M17) chosen to replace the M9 pistol in the US military. Best choice possible? Striker fire best solution? What about the chosen 9mm ammo calibre, way to go or not? What's your personal experience with the gun, do you like it over other striker fire pistols like the Glock series? How important do you value the P320's modularity over other pistols? Etc.
I've not actually handled a P320, and have no informed opinion to give on the recent Army competition.
the army is actually considering dropping 9mm in favor of 40 s&w for the p320. there is apparently some talk about the US leaving Nato as well.
Source of the Nato news? Or is this another one of these Russian instigated fake "news" items designed to create FUD and instability? Btw the FBI claims after elaborate investigation for modern 9mm ammo to be superior over 40 S&W for good reasons. I'm pretty sure the army has taken notice.
Well, as far as caliber, one or two sources say they stuck with 9mm, but most others say they wanted a more potent round and either haven't decided or went with 40. As for leaving nato, trump and the Republican party have been pretty vocal about leaving, and the army potentially picking a non nato round may back that, but that's mostly hear-say.
Criticizing Nato is not the same as leaving it. And the switch to 40 S&W as standard side arm ammo is highly unlikely considering this same Nato and the shitload of 9mm stockpiles laying around. Especially as it has turned out that pistol calibre has no significant effect on stopping power over accuracy.
Ian it's good to see your mother let you out of the basement again
So, now that the Sig P320 got adopted by the Army do you think that we'll see some pistol caliber carbine conversion kits or maybe stocked pistol in SBR form? I think we can assume we'll see a huge growth in aftermarket for it, especially considering that the fire control group/trigger housing is what's legally the firearm so you Form 1 it like people do with AR pistols and then just pop the new frame on when you get your tax stamp.
hey, i thout this was Forgotten Bergmanns?
I miss the Bergmann's already
If you find a suomi kp 31 can you make it into a video?
The fact that it is in 7.63mm Mauser is the coolest part.
The NFA ruining fun for everyone.
Please.......Carbine pstols Carbine revolvers saga!!!!! (stechkin, colt buntline, p 08 c96 etc)
Is that a left handed holster stock?
VonEror correct me if I am wrong but in the cases where the holster is on the left the butt of the gun is facing forwards. In this case, because of the button and the loop the butt would be facing backwards as for a left handed shooter. Maybe it's got a hole for the butt on both sides but I didn't see one.
Bruce Hewat I think the idea is that you pull the whole thing off your belt with your left hand, and draw the pistol from the holster/stock with your right. It would be hard to open that hinged door bit while it's attached to your hip.
I have one of these . Picked it up at a gun show 30 to40 yrs .ago for 100.00 has had anew 9mm bbl. ( 5in) don’t have the stock. In 90% cond. except for a crack in one of the orig. grips. It has been stamped over the origin. Cal . . It is now stamped 9mm.
That's actually ... quite a nice design when it comes to aesthetics. Ôo
A bit of polishing, a slightly longer barrel, a can plugged onto the muzzle and maybe a short scope or a dot and you got something for modern law enforcement or second-line military units.
You believe or not,but l have such a pistol- CZ- 52 in cal. 7,62*25 tokarev. I made a shoulder stock like in mauser C-96, and a rifle scope from soviet sniper rifle mosin-nagant.
Drink each time Ian says "China"
I'm willing to bet that the 89 on the stock is also a sequentially numbered part as its just one number above the number on the slot. That's how the assembly number system worked since at least the eighteenth century.
I would really love to have a modern stocked pistol. The blowback carbines have a few detractions: 1) blowbacks have a wierd recoil impulse. They tend to have a 1.5 lb bolt due to the mass required to run with a reasonable spring rate. This is often harsher than a proper rifle. 2) blowbacks are necessarily heavy and bulky which ofsets the advantages of a pistol caliber. 3) They usually arent' rated for +P ammo, which would mitigate the weaknesses of pistol cartridges. That includes most of the anti vest ammo that makes sense in a PDW role. 4) they only work in big format. No handy pistol, that can be stocked. This kills their utility as a lightweight backpackable survival tool. i.e. A bush pilot's crash kit foraging tool. A light locked breach poly pistol with a skeletal plastic stock would maybe weigh under 3 lbs and could handle 10mm or hot 9mm ammo.
Is it ok to fire 7.62 bullet in 7.63 pistol i have 7.63 star pistol with but stock . sorry for bad eng
There are some browning HP with the same configuration made in Argentina in the same caliber, and much later try it in .40 sw and select fire
The current boondogle with pistol braces reinforces my opinion that the NFA needs to be repealed.
Pretty pistol just about everyone copied john Brownings designs
What happened to "Forgotten Bergmanns"? ;) Well, at least Ian said '9mm Bergmann'.
-Jen
Where the hell is that stock... ah that's not an arm..
Do pistol carbines have any practical applications in the modern world or are they a complete relic of antiquity? I've always been intrigued by these sorts of weapon hybridizations yet in a world filled with lightweight plastic bull pup rifles, PDWs, and handheld machine pistols with folding stocks I have difficulty imagining an application for them in a contemporary setting.
George Sears You'd probably see quite a few of them if there was no NFA. I'd think those pdw kits for glocks are the modern day equivalent to those pistols.
George Sears A full auto pistol would benefit greatly from a detachable stock...
Xr8dACE420 full auto pistols are terrible no matter what you do, they all have stupid high rates of fire and are uncontrollable even with a stock.
Police forces in many natioms would benefit greatly from stocked pistols. the ability to increase stability and precision would allow more control over engagements with armed criminals.
I agree Dayton. With the current 16" barrel requirement and 26" over all length requirement, pistol caliber carbines don't have much of an advantage over rifles chambered in larger calibers. I think they really excel when they are the size of an mp5 or an sbr'd scorpion evo. Very compact, but you get more power and capacity than you would with a pistol in the same caliber.
It's as if someone went "hey ED-SKaR, what's the perfect layout of 1911?" and then realised they couldn't sell it to me because UK law and went back in time and sold it to China instead.
HAH! 2:14 when the camera boops the gun!
Someone make these in 45 for the us market, it would be incredible even with the nfa
I acknowledge that this is the best channel on RUclips, but being a non-American I still cringe at the pronunciation of "carbeen" I know the French do it that way-as in "le carbine", but in English the "ine" ending is pronounced as in "fine, or dine, or shine, or line, or wine" I know there are exceptions, as in chemical suffixes etc, but the pronunciation I'm used to is quite different from the one you use. I'm not criticizing; I'm just saying.........
Keep up the great work - wish I could meet you to talk guns over a few whiskies
Ashley Smith English is hardly consistent with pronunciation in regards to anything.
Tilting barrel action? Care to elaborate?
In all pistols derived from John Browning's 1911, the barrel tilts downward when it unlocks - the locking lugs are located on the top of the barrel just in front of the chamber.
The "No pistol stocks" implications of the NFA is one of the absolute stupidest things in gun law. It's the equivalent to how the Okinawan weapons are banned in some places, when most of the Okinawan weapons are things anyone with basic command of hand tools can whip up in a hardware store in a quarter of an hour (those they don't just find there; I don't remember all the Japanese names, but one's literally just a sickle and another is the ever-popular "Length of chain with a heavy bit at the end" thingy. Nor is a functional stock for a handgun terribly complicated.
Lazarus Long the NFA in general is stupid
Yet another reason why the NFA sucks and should be repealed.
my affection for stocked pistols has to begin with the stocked Colts from the american civil war era then the Mauser's and Luger's but except for modifications done by gangsters of the 20's&30's to the 1911 i thought stocked 1911's with extended magazine's was fairly recent gimmick.
Imagine looking at a handgun and thinking "I really like this but I can't buy it unless I can put a shoulder stock and grip on it if I want to, also unless I can put a selector on it and make it a full auto machine gun
Then imagine a gunsmith telling you "oh yeah I can do that gimme a day or so", then 24 hours later you're walking out of Jeff's Guns & Ammo with your short barreled fully automatic machine pistol to go take it home to the wife and kids
People in the 1920s didn't know how good they had it
A lot of the strange, one of a kind weapons that show up on your channel don't sound like they get used that much, if ever. Do gunsmiths ever try to make replicas of rare or bizarre weapons just for the purpose of having one that they don't have to worry about preserving as much?
I don't know anything about making guns, so I don't know if a gun maker would need blueprints to copy something or if they can just take a gun apart and try to imitate it the best they can.
Would it have been common to have a sling attached to the lanyard loop on the pistol and stock, then carry the carbine by it even while 'holstered' (more like a purse)? It always strikes me as extremely awkward to have a stock-holster on one's belt or attached directly to the owner's body.
I'd be quite interested in seeing how the Star Model A compares with a Tokarev TT-33 in performance.
Is that stock holster left or right-hand side carry . . . it would appear that a right-hand carry would have the long magazine protruding forward and possibly getting in the way . . .
Thanks Ian! great video, we have quite a few of these Star pistols , commonly the B , floating around south africa.
very informative as always. Just in case it went unnoticed: There's static starting 4:12 and a minute later the static is gone, but there's distortion instead. Might want to give your microphone a check:)
I wonder if it can handle a 7.62 Tokarev round? That would be very interesting gun if it could.
"I think stocked pistols are really cool." I guess we won't get an apology for Flaggate, but you're forgiven just for have such refined taste.
Ian keep up the great work sir 🍻I’m sure I speak for everyone here when I say I look forward to your notifications that there’s a new video , you are by far the best utube channel hands down brother ! cheers 🍻
what are the grips made of? It doesn't look like wood yet the right grip looks like it was eaten by worms
Jack Mcslay They look like they might be made from ebonite, a form of hard rubber used often in that time period for parts that today would be made of some type plastic.
They were often made from softened, then mold compressed sheets of cow-horn. Hence those type of grips, if not looked after, were sometimes eaten by weevils and other beetles. They also have a tendency towards cracking, splitting and delaminating
Why come up with your own ideas when you can use someone else's, Am-I-right?
basically everyone was copying Mauser,as usual
I'm getting bergmann withdrawal . They were cool pistols .
I thought what stock? I couldn't see it at first. It blended rite in with your arm. Ha ha.
Were all the stock/holsters set up left handed? seems court of odd.
I love your videos dude! If you replied to this, that would be AWESOME
I wonder if you could get into the atf reference collection. that would be a gold mine for this type of informational content!
Looks like it's very hard to pull the gun out of the holster while it's on your belt. It opens into your hip.
do you know is there are some of this in the military museum of the PLA in behing???
Was the purpose of the much longer barrel to increase the muzzle velocity ?
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Is that a left handed holster/stock? I ask because it opens on the other side I'm used to seeing it on.
Hey another Star pistol featured! Hopefully we get to see more on Star pistols...
Does anyone know what material, the grips are made of? Thank you.
I didn't notice the stock at first because my eyes mistook it for part of your arm. Heh.
Could these have bean used in the Spanish civil war in some way or form
The gun technics are quite cool, but the window into history is why im watching this
6:08 Watch out Ian, sounds like there might be a slig in the building...
Por fin traducirlo al español .
clever
Not a Bergmann, unsubscribed!
jk
was the beretta 93 the last of the multi-purpose carbines?
Ian still manages to wiggle in the word bergmann, unbelievable
Bet this was popular with Calvary
I'm not sure if it's just my computer, but a few of the auction links don't seem to be working. Otherwise great video as usual.
The Heathen maybe he didn't update them. Said in another comment this was from the last auction but got pulled after he filmed it.