Prototype Mauser 1917 Trench Carbine
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In the latter stages of World War One, the German military was looking for new arms for its Sturmtruppen. Without a reliable self-loading rifle design to use, they instead focused on pistol caliber arms. The first to be used was the existing lP08 artillery Luger, fitted with a drum magazine. At the very end of the war, these were being replaced by Bergmann MP-18,I submachine guns. But there was another gun that was tested but not adopted - the 1917 trench carbine variation of Mauser's C96 "Broomhandle" pistol. Only about 40 of these guns were made as prototypes and trials models, and they were not adopted for reasons that are not entirely clear (but cost is probably a significant element). Only a few examples survive, and they vary substantially in their details. In addition, they are substantially different from both standard C96 pistols and also the sporting carbines made before the war.
All the 1917 trench carbines used a magazine developed from the 1906/08 pistol; an excellent double-stack, double-feed type. Magazines of 10, 20, and 40-round capacity were made, although all known examples were only semiautomatic (the full-auto Schnellfeuer Mauser's would not come until the early 1930s).
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2019: "You can configure our firearm any which way you like for your comfort!"
1917: "Our firearm will configure you, usually by smashing any body part that gets in its way."
Sounds like any machine shop I've worked in
Semi auto rifles with a flat rear area of stock and whole bolt flying back scare me. General Liu's nope rifle stands out.
Remember the first commercial semi auto pistol? It had that goofy rear bulge on the receiver and the inventor refused to modify it all
@@Never_heart thats where a recoil spring lives on the c93 (source a forgotten weapons video I watched 20 minutes ago)
And all 40 ended up on the same battlefield according to um, Battlefield.
lol but yea its still one of the best weapons in BF1
@Lochness Monsta u mean the TTK bs?
@@currahee1782 TTK and the dumb spotting shit ruined the game for me
@@currahee1782 i loved how it handled and the recoil (or lack thereof), but you had to empty half a mag into someone to kill them.
@@jamesbrisendine Yea, it has low dmg and but low recoil which makes it a decent gun in CQB, also enjoyed the scoped variant.
"Now if you`ll indulge me, I wanna take a moment and nerd out on magazines..." That's why I`m here, sir.
These Germans made the mp5 before counter terrorism was even a thought
The first counter-terrorism unit was formed in the 1880s. Google Special Branch if interested.
the person who killed archduke Ferdinand was a terrorist..
no offense but i dont think you know what terrorism is
@@krispybacon9285
He said counter-terrorism, as a specialized type of unit.
Anyway, the English Special Branch is pretty much the ur-example of a Special Forces, but they weren't dedicated to counter-terrorism. Until the recent merger, they just did the stuff that fell outside the scope of everyone else.
@@axelord4ever my point is that counter terrorism has been around MUCH longer than the 1960s whether it was called that term or not.. some places called it special security or police or investigations.
To the English at the time.
The patriots who dumped tea into Boston Harbor were terrorists.
Ian: If you'll indulge me, I'd like to nerd out with these magazines.
Me: leans forward in anticipation.
this thing would've sold like hotcakes in Interwar China.
If it could be afforded..
Wouldnt this have been illegal there? I thought the reason the C96s were so popular there was because they werent actually carbenes and therefore allowed to be exported to China.
@@shotforshot5983 Those warlords were capable to purchase these babes for their guard troops. They even bought some amount of M1928s and MP28s.
@Adam Halsey I hope so, but I doubt they'd make it the same quality as NationaleǝlɐuoᴉʇɐN
Tantalpyro c96 with shoulder stock carbines are extremely popular, they armed entire platoon with this thing and use them as extra support unit running around in front line during anti-Japanese war
That is one neat little carbine!
Pedro Alves yeah no shit
Ill take two. I don't care if both are full auto. I want do do some plinking.
I'll have to ask the hooded guy offering me guns in a remote area in central spain to get me one of these babies!
Not enough cash stranga!
Carmelo Basco "What are ya buyin?"
What did he say about the broomhandle? Something like "That shows you've got style" or something. Great re4 reference.
Just make sure you bring Pesetas; it's all he accepts for some reason.
@@wk3818 "Ah, the choice of an avid gun collector! It's a nice gun, stranger..."
The 'fireplace collector' just keeps on giving :)
Fireplace Guy might have the best private small arms collection in the world. We appreciate you, Fireplace Guy.
Yes Sir ! Praise the fireplace gun collector , Amén !!!
Yea man, that's a collection!
Fireplace in a desert, never used, alot of rare guns, alot of expensive German ww1 and 2 guns.
It is even a child of a family who just barely survived the holocaust, or from a "German" family who served the US after ww2.
Blasphemy - you must refer to Gun Jesus w reverence, there is no other than Gun Jesus and Russ is his prophet.
All hail the Fireplace Collector!!
With how popular the 9mm carbines have gotten itd be cool to see a reproduction of these.
That's one of the reasons I want to get into gunsmithing. I love C96 pistols and hope that one day I can do the same thing with them that Lugerman does with reproduction Lugers.
That would be one of the guns that everybody finds cool, but nobody wants to pay the 4k+$ it would cost in today's money to build.
@@user-sn8zs9yn5c yeah, the reproduction FG 42s are $5500. I figure that any working reproduction firearm is going to be about that.
For such an incredibly rare gun its condition is superb. Shame there are no reproductions.
If there were reproductions they probably wouldn't be affordable. Oh, a $X00? I could just get an AR. Oh, a $X000? I could get a mp5, cz, etc.
this thing probably falls under SBR rules, but putting a bigger barrel on it probably wouldn't kill it
calska140 this is so accurate
for fun you could get the metal full auto bb gun and play with it for not a ton of money... Granted not as cool
calska140 This made me laugh
I always wondered why something like this hadn’t been made. It seemed so obvious in hindsight.
Don't forget the absolutely stunning appearance as well. I can appreciate the technological advancements and why things like polymers are used for military hardware but why is that the go to styling for everything? I'd love one but no section 5 and even considering something like that in .22 or converted to single action is heresy.
I can't understand why they didn't use the 1917 carbine as the basis of the 1917 pistol, too. The pistol grip or shoulder stock would be usable on both. The pistol barrel could be made just like a carbine barrel, but in a much shorter length. 99% parts compatibility, with only the barrel differing, would be a major benefit, and keep the design viable for decades. The features and design of the carbine were clearly superior to the pistol, and Mauser could have had a winner on their hands if they had just put a bit more thought into a common platform.
Up until WWI everything was "distance distance distance!" The pistol and carbine was seen as obsolete technology.
@@richardkirka5977 Remember that those barrels aren't fixed. That's the only thing I can think of, though.
@RocketSurgeon Now you have me interested with that one thread comment. I want to know what changed!
"If you will indulge me for a moment... I'll nerd out about the magazines...."
Nerd away Ian, nerd away!
Always a treat from fireplace collector!
I totally nerd out on Mauser C96 variants (and am a total geek for the 06/08)! All the early semi-autos are fascinating to me, with their seat-of-the-pants designs, over-engineering, and old-world/steampunk craftsmanship. That is one nifty, uber cool little carbine. I imagine producing one like it today with the same internals would cost about as much as a gently used Toyota sedan, but I could sure find a use for one. :) Thanks for showing this!
Absolutely love your passion and content, the best RUclips has to offer! Keep up the good work through 2020.
Untill the brown shirts at google decide that this channel isnt good wholesome content and go out of their way to hide it that is......
@@inhumanfilth681 when they do theyll find an angry mob on their hands
@@inhumanfilth681 Ian is on Full30, a firearms video site, so he has a solid backup in case RUclips tries to shut him down.
@@TammoKorsai sweet!!! His content is the best in the world :)
What a beautifully crafted prototype, what is the capacity of the first mag, the second from the left is a ten, as usual a great review sir.
I swear that fireplace is something he carries around with him and only brings out for the best museums.
The 06/08 Mauser is a gorgeous design it’s a shame it never went anywhere
It looks like a really handy carbine, and really nice to shoot
@@feraligatorade99 not the same gun, search for the video on the 06/08
A sight adjustable to 500m on a 9mm carbine is the definition of optimism
Very true! i think 300 would be optimistic. even with the 9x25
I think MythBusters did a test inside a massive open building (so that wind wouldn't affect it) and I think they measured 450 yards for a 9mm before it fell to the ground.
@@paulshayter1113 Yes, but there is a difference between maximum range and maximum effective range
@@kingnothing3523, Agreed but keep in mind volley fire was still in the minds of some of the older ordinance officers and could be a little disconcerting to those on the receiving end. Probably wouldn't kill you but would definitely have you dancing. 😂
The next firearm on "The Mandalorian"
well, ian said it was designed for stormtroopers...
Dork
They already used it in A New Hope. 😕
@@gworfish If you're talking about Han Solo's DL-44 yeah, but this is something a bit different
@@jameslynn7271 In Solo, we see that the DL-44 had attachments that turn it into a carbine
Sucks that this is so rare. It’s one of the most beautiful guns I’ve ever seen.
My best friend in bf1
The most underloved gun in the game
It's the noobslayer. I don't know how often i got called a cheater with this little bugger.
I totally don't run this gun and spam *starts sweating
Must feel incredible getting something with as few known examples as this on video, and right to the core of the FW project of preserving knowledge and documenting these firearms for posterity. Kudos to the amazing collection of the owner of this fireplace.
Saw it mentioned in C&Rsenal video few days ago, and now Gun Jesus tell me more about it. Awesome!
I always wonder when that happens if it was at all planned, I know a few times they have covered the same topics at the same time by coincide.
I really enjoy watching your videos Ian, especially this series on broom handles. I dug up enough benjamins to by a C96 bolo in 7.63 which dates around 1927 by s/n. Not a big deal gun but lots of fun. Thanks again for the videos
Another prototype weapon DICE put into BF1 and BFV. Respect.
Love the disassembly ! Have a C96 that was customized by a gunsmith in the 60s , its has everything that it should have been. Will take some pics and send them !The letter of providence is long gone ( misplaced during a divorce from friend an previous owner ) . I know its collector value has been lost due to the customization but its perfect to me and will be passed down to my sons !
BEAUTIFUL example there, wow! Thanks for the great work as always; great companion piece for C&R's recent MP-18 video.
Nicely done! This is easily one of my favorite Broomhandle variants.
Glad you got to 'review' this carbine and thanks for sharing it with us :)
That is awesome. One of the days I hope to have time in my machine shop to fab a few things, and I think a project based on this just went to the top of the list.
Mr Fireplace has one impressive colection.
😲 i do get this right now.
He has a Salvator-Dormus pistol AND a Trench Carbine, this guy must be loaded
@@orbitalzero8745 Or he's just been at this a really long time, before the competition heated up. Early bird gets the worm... ;-)
He certainly does.
Mr Fireplace has talked with Ian, in the past ..
Fascinating presentation Ian. Thank you
Amazing video, as usual. I did never knew about these models.
Thank you Ian!! Just what makes me a happy patreon!!!
In the three years since I've discovered your channel I have learned so much about firearms that I have forgotten more than most people know about them
As always Ian, great content and video, thanks for sharing
Ooooh I want one!
What a unicorn of a firearm! Thanks for putting out this video! Really enjoy these little history lessons!
That trench carbine is lovely thanks Ian and fireplace guy for showing us this one
What is really appealing about these damn Mausers and Lugers is just how exquisitely machined they are.
Great review Ian
The days of incredibly heavily-built magazines. I appreciate Ian "nerding out" at the end to give us the close-ups: look at the wall thickness, that is some heavy-gauge sheet those are made of! As unbelievably cool as these antique s.b.r. unobtanium guns are, those mags are eye-popping.
Ian's tone conveyed that he, too, found the construction of the 9mm Para mags odd, since all that space in front generally means less contact with- and control of- the cartridge during feeding. He's even showcased designs in the past that were revised to shorten that distance, thereby mitigating feeding problems.
"Hopefully you guys enjoyed the video as much as I did." Ian, I don't think that's physically possible
Interesting. Looking at what you showed, I had the impression that the carbine had been simplified in various ways from the traditional C96 parts. So while it would have involved expense to change the production line, overall, it might have ended up being a cheaper gun to make in production. Of course that still might have been more expensive than the competitors.
Such a slick looking weapon. Absolutely love it
That Mauser is absolutely awesome love it love to have it just because of its historical value
Magnificent piece U have there Ian! please take it to the range! looks so collectable!
I love the broom handle family of firearms. I really wish I have the opportunity to own one some day
I wish someone would put these into production again because i would totaly buy one
Fantastic video, I have had an airsoft red 9 carbine for years that I couldn't identify for the longest time. Just so you know they make a full metal and wood airsoft copy with a beautiful brass buttplate.
The Machining and craftsmanship on this weapon is superb.
I bring to your attention the disassembly and assembly of various firearms in a beautiful animated format!
The WW1 Jet Li move. Grab the carbine by the magazine and press takedown with left hand while sliding the top assembly backwards with the right hand. As it clears the bottom swing it back to knock the guy in the forehead with the barrel!
Great Video and nice display of the magazine differences!
Amazing gun. Amazing review.
‘Hopefully you, guys, enjoyed the video’, says the guy with 1 million 870 subscribers. Hopefully they do. Cheers to TWO millions, Ian. And you know what, these videos of yours, they bloody help. Many thanks.
Nice. The collector's hearth gives us another very rare item. I so ehow missed this video. It may have posted during a brief period that i did not have internet service. Seems like it would be quite practical for trench raids and trench defense. Assuming an affective range of 100-125 yards, and it looks like it would weigh 6 lbs or less. The magazine design is inspired. It is too bad no one makes a reproduction. It would probably be prohibitively expensive, but i wonder if modern CNC machining would reduce the need for intricate hand fitting. Nice to see that it still exists. Great video as always. Thank you
One of the coolest guns you have introduced us to.
Love the disassembly!
When you see that fireplace...
Maybe not quit as much but almost!! Thank you for the great content!!
Thank you , Ian .
I have only seen a painting of this gun, but I fell in love with the looks
preserving so much history on this channel
I DO like this Mr Ian, as seems such a nice calm guy, who just happends to be talking about killing instruments
Words cannot describe how much I want one of these.
Me: Reads “trench carbine”
Also me: yeah, I’d use it in a trench
Great vid. I was not familiar with the trench gun. Interesting to see the internal differences between it and the standard Mauser carbine. Looks pretty heavy. Probably pretty sweet to shoot.
Thank you sir for this
wow, absolutely beautiful firearm. Its very nice as I bet they all are !
That disassembled beautifully
It’s so sad that only 40 were made because this gun looks so cool
That is very cool looking!
Ian, I just love to hear you ramble.
How on earth do you find such rare guns? :o If there's only like 3 or 4 of these in existence? It blows my mind! Awesome video!
One day Ian will reveal th mystery of the ages: Who is Fireplace Guy?
It has already been revealed, if you look back through early videos ..
@@williestyle35 so spill beans
@@pilgrimm23 the beans are still in the bag. I'm upset.
Early Christmas present? Such a sexy gun
Just watched the Inrange Q&A where you and Karl talked about this last night!
That is the most beautiful gun I’ve ever seen
Very Cool Mauser 1917 Trench Carbine !!!!!!!! Thanks for showing it , Gun Jesus !!!!!!!!
Cool! Thanks Ian.
Rich.
Damn, imagine during the war, every German trench had a bunch of these in them or they storm allied trenches with these instead of rifles
Let the war go to 1919 and they would have had a crapload of MP 18s
It evened out with the us using shotguns
@@goldendash1527 LOL!!! Shotguns were a US fetish and pretty much useless for anything other than propaganda.
Go watch C&R arsenal to learn.
@trauko1388 shotguns (pump) is a great close combat weapon. The trombone action actually brings it on back to ready position. What it lacks is any significant range.
If it was only a US fetish then other countries (notably the USSR and later Russia) wouldn't also be manufacturing semi and full auto military shotguns. Experienced pump combat shot gunners can engage and hit 5 targets in as many seconds with about a 3 second per round reload time.
In WW1 there were very few firearms which had as rapid per target engagement time, and for the most part those were pistols which take far more practice to hit moving targets and re-aquire the next one.
I'm not a shotgun fan...I'd much rather use explosives for trench warfare.
@@trauko1388 looks like we've got a salty hun! It's not a warcrime if you win btw.
My grandfather had a later reproduction version of a mauser carbine similar to this. Super cool
Bank robber Al Spencer had a broomhandle Mauser with a stock and it is in the J M Davis Gun Museum in Claremore, OK
Gorgeous looking gun
I need a reproduction version!
Beauty.
I love the hammer doubling as the bolt release
Yet again, Ian has shown me a gun I really want.
I'm always amazed how beautiful these are. I hate that I missed my chance to own one.
Really cool gun
I niech ktoś mi powie , że broń nie jest piękna! Dzięki Ian, Wszystkiego Najlepszego w Nowym Roku!👽🖖
That gun is an insanely beautiful Lady.
Thank you for educating me once again!
Good bro!👍strong game, good pistol 😁
Look cool, I would want to see it on the range.
Cool looking Mauser Carbine.
that is one unbelievably elegant carbine, especially with those curves.
Another great Mauser, and just in time for Star Wars!
Ian, with all the reproduction guns that have been produced in the the last 20 years, be it blackpowder or center fire, and there are alot of folks all over the world who can afford $2000+ weapons, it's a wonder the germans haven't produced a limited run of P-08 and Mauser C96 copies for this market. I of limited means, couldn't afford one but it would warm my heart that I knew someone else was enjoying a modern copy of such distinctive pistols.
So much potential in that gun