The G40k: A German Experimental Mauser Carbine
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In April 1940, WaPrüf 2 directed Mauser to begin development of a shortened Master carbine with a 490mm (19.3”) barrel, presumably for specialty troops. Development meandered on until July 1942, by which time just 28 rifles had been made, in two series. The first batch were numbered 3-15 and the second batch in the 70s and 80s with a V (“Versucht”, experimental) prefix. Only one other example is known in the US, number V81 in the Aberdeen Proving Ground collection.
The development program was dropped in 1942, probably because the need for the rifles had been adequately filled by Brno-production G33/40 carbines instead.
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In the grim darkness of the 40's, there is only carbines.
Kurz Carbines!
_jesus_
And shovels
It's like Cherenkov radiation: you can't stop looking at the beauty, but it's deadly...
There once was a rifle, a rifle - born in a forgotten time... created by a force of german origin.
It would cross the ages, knowing its one purpuse: to lead humanity as the most useless carbine in the galaxy... the G40k.
Two inches off Rifle = short rifle
Two inches off short rifle = carbine
Had war not intervened I'm sure the Germans would have had a Pistole 98
With what, an 18" barrel?
Kar98KKKKKKKKKKK
Mauser Obrez
Mauser Kolibri98. Comes with magnifying glass and tweezers to operate.
But only a hundred years later if it took them 42 years to cut off 2 inches.
Maybe that's why the third Reich is also referred to as the Reich of thousand years (in German at least).
In 1967 I bought a G33/40 that you mentioned. My $30 got me an action that was soooo smooth and the rest of the gun was pristine. I scoped it and without any further modification it shot 1.5 inch groups from a bench and Norma ammo.
recoil wasn(t thart hard ????
man i know in 67 $30 was alot more than that in reality but damn that price is crazy.
German Ordinance Department: OK, listen up, we need you to make a carbine version of a carbine rifle. Can you make it?
Mauser Company: *proceeds to literally blow torching off 5 centimeters of a K98 barrel*
You happy now?
German Ordinance Depatment: JA!
**German Ordnance Department designates rifle as "Gewehr K² 98"** :-)
BTW: you need to type two asterisks on RUclips because one just begins or ends *bold text* and isn't shown. Same with underscores which are used for __text in italic__ . (And the next character after the closing * or _ has to be a space else it doesn't work at all).
@@comsubpac the sling is fastened in almost the exact same way as on the Kar98k.
Carbine refers to the length of the barrel; the G40k is 110mm shorter than the Kar98k.
@Götz von Berlichingen Kar98krasskürzer?^^
@@thorvenalvarskjomisson95 Karabiner 98 komplett kompakt
Everytime I watch a forgotten weapons video, I die a little knowing a will never own or handle any of the cool guns on here.
Me too ... Q
It was primarily this channel which got me off my arse and having a license and now multiple (I think) very cool firearms. Not sure what laws you have to deal with but my condolences if it's literally just no firearms ever.
My dear Hans, since you were a collonel of the SS you could have just ordered that rifle for field testing.
@@jameshealy4594 Where do you live, if I may ask?
@@jameshealy4594 Though I'm not exactly sure, I think they're referring to the unique prototype and non-widely produced firearms like this one.
Name a more iconic duo than “German” and “experimental weapon.” I’ll wait.
"Panther" and "Oh my god, the tank is on fire"
@@Tepid24 That works for shermans aswell :P
@@herocommand At least until you look at actual statistics that reveal their excellent survivability. Let's just say that there's a medium tank that started burning as it drove off the train the first time one of them was brought to the front and that wasn't a Sherman.
M14 and Failure.
Darrin Crose imagine if you will a rifle that was supposed to be a LMG, SMG, and a carbine. A rifle that was supposed to use the same tooling as it’s predecessor, to save the taxpayer a lot of money. A rifle that is accurate, lightweight, and reliable. Now imagine that rifle did none of those things and was worse than all the others it was replacing, but yet adored by those who never used it. That is the M14.
* Sees barrel length, shoulder throbs in pain sympathetically *
I wonder why they didn't just make a shorter rifle with as many standard parts as possible
Because they were German?
Hey, it's the ammunition chap - I wonder if you've seen Forbidden Weapons' SA80 series. Unless you're a different Anthony Williams.
Ian, was there ever a bolt action rifle for the 8x33 ammo, that should have been a better choice for a short rifle. Super Videos!
@John Doe Muzzle flash isn't really an issue unless you're a sniper.
They're Germans. Simple is not what they do. Ask any Mercedes Benz mechanic.
I LOVE the overlaid photos of the other rifle you were referencing. That is something I hope you can do more often in future videos when you reference other rifles/features during a video.
The Mauser rifle looks so beautiful.
Special rifle - still in 1940/41 they go for the bolt-action. I get it, cheap and fast manufacturing and it is reliable, interchangable parts yaa yada, but still... range 1000-1200 meters iron sights (did people have incredible eye sight back then or what), it all screams old school military. The Fallschirmjägergewehr 42 was developed 1 year after they made this piece. Worlds of difference here.
@CIA BETA Wing I can postulate two possible reasons for such distance markings:
1) They were still in 1898 and expecting the troops to stand at attention in ranks and volley fire at the French at 1200 meters, or
2) They expected that mountain troop conflicts would usually be from one ridge top to the top of the next mountain range.
One of the reasons I heard for the long ranges on infantry rifles isn't for individual accuracy. Rather it was a holdover from the days before machine guns, where a squad of riflemen could create a beaten zone of outgoing rounds to deter the use of an area by the enemy at a distance. The distance would make it difficult for the enemy to effectively engage your troops. A solder should not worry about the bullet with his name on it, rather he should be concerned with the hundreds addressed to "whom it may concern". Today they can do that with a SAW.
I have heard that the super long range iron sights are for volley fire against aircraft
Did someone say 40K? Is that the weapon they used on Vraks? :P
@@spanoal7950 Emperor protects.
Yes, but German soldiers were only allowed to use the Gewehr 40K as Warhammer 40K if they ran out of ammo during an enemy attack.
I am really loving that jumper Ian!
Ian always manages to surprise us with the things he finds at auctions!
Love the iron sights on this carbine. Great sight picture
My thoughts exactly. Also a very handy rifle - short and light, with a sturdy action.
Not at all. SMLE sights are way better and I say that being german and huge k98 fan.
@@SamSung-qy5hj The Brits did some testing and found out that apertures were better, Lee Enfields used to have tangent sights too
Some well invested research there then. When they put the SMLE into my hands I thought, what sort of rubbish is this. But I learned very quickly shooting it, that the aperture sight helped a lot. I was a bit surprised.
Well my day is set, a Forgotten Weapons video in the morning, nothing’s going to top that.
@Michael McNamara bro let people enjoy their hobbies
Right about the time I thought about looking into one of these I hear those famous words “The other known example.”
Very nice wood on that rifle. The red figure is unusual. Great job editing in the reference photos of the other gun- that was very helpful. Carbines and their variant are always interesting. I would love to have a G33/40, but my shoulder probably would not. So i will make do with my perfectly good Yugoslav M48 i guess. Speaking of which, it needs exercise. Excuse me. Great video as always. Thank you
Versuch is pronounced something like "Ferzuuh-ch". The Z would be rather silent and like an s, the uuh part is longer and the ch is a soft exhaling tone, not a ck
Great Video, as always of course!
@@mathy4605 nope
@@mathy4605 : I am german, and i have never spoken a ,ch' as ,x'. This sound exists in two variations ( for example in ,ich'-i or ,Dach'-roof). It is about the Boise an angry cat with laid down EADS makes, but slower and softer.
@@mathy4605 :Of course noise!
Wrong. The proper way to pronounce anything is *always* however Ian pronounces it. It's not his fault if people can't manage to pronounce their own words correctly.
Excuse me, something is wrong with my computer, it writes only nonsens. Not EADS but ears.
Wasn't there a variant model of this that was used for development of the 8x33 sturmgewher cartridge? I seem to remember reading about one or two that were chambered for early versions of it.
It would have been a super short action. Something I thought about too.
@@chapiit08 Actually I think it was a normal 98 sized action, as it was only ever meant to be an in-house single shot for load development. I'm sure it was a case of, 'we've got a couple of these things lying around, why not use them for something'. I imagine it would be relatively trivial to not bother trying to make it feed as a repeater and just focus on working out the cartridge dimensions and loading by swapping out the barrel.
@@USSEnterpriseA1701 I got your point now. I misinterpreted your post assuming that you meant a small sized action built specifically for the 8X33.
@@chapiit08 Upon a further dig through my book collection, I found the one that has the rifle I was thinking of. It is similar in layout to the G40k, but is notably different. It does use a standard Model 98 receiver, but the stock layout is like a Kar 98k cut off at the mid band and it has a full length rear sight. Barrel length matches that of the MP 43/STG 44. It seems 5 were made with chambers ranging from 8x33 to 8x52, each rifle being of a different chambering. From what I'm seeing, 3 of the 5 were lost in a fire.
yes and in spain they experimented with a mg42 in 5,56 mm -i read somewhere
This rifle sold at RIA for US $40,000. With the buyer's premium and all fees, the eventual price was $48,000.
Thank you, I was wondering that.
extra thumbs up for including comparison screenshots
I love old military carbines, just the fact that they used to stuff such powerful cartridges into such a small package
2:08 Versucht would mean tried so I guess it’s supposed to stand for Versuch which is the word for trial.
German play on words - its close to Verrückt meaning 'insane'.
@@boingkster It's not all that close lol
Versuch and Versuchung are both tests, but not relly the same.
@@brittakriep2938 Versuchung means temptation.
SWGYArnold Thanks for already replying and correcting her statement
Thank you , Ian .
It is almost funny that militarys around the world persisted in ranging the sights for almost absurd distances for so long.
The bullets are still lethal at that range, so why not? Machineguns might be better at it, but if you only have a handful of guys with rifles to suppress that bunker at 1,500 meters, the guys on the receiving end are still going to undergo a significant emotion event once those little chunks of metal start landing about them.
Bruh, if you can't hit a target at 1000 yards then you're a scrub, get gud bruh.
Mountain troups are probably more likely to use this than regular infantry. Such as a unit of alpine troups in the mountains, needing to suppress the enemy occupying the neighboring peak 1 km away...
@@MarvinCZ bruh, 2 small hilltops would be the same equivalent minus the complication of mountains, 2 houses 1000 yds apart, support on top of a small birm could zero down support fire on that house no problem and having a sight on your rifle giving you a viable picture of your target area allows for more controlled bursts and better control for on target follow up shots.
Here's an example, 2 units advancing parallel through russian fields, one unit comes under heavy fire from a small building 500 yds in front of them but 1000 yds away from your support troops. Sergent from first unit radios for support fire on the building from your unit that hasn't had any contact yet...do you tell him "Naw sorry boiz my rifle only goes up to 800yds your fucked" or do you tell 3 riflemen and your support gunner to hit that small birm and law down some cover fire while your unit and their unit try to mount an advance on the enemy position.....use your brain please I beg you.
I always love this experimental weapons
She'll fetch bonkers money for sure. Ian, please include this in a post auction video, if you're planning one.
I worked at an R&D Facility and the vast majority of all projects don't go anywhere. It's like "Oh! Maybe we should try this ... oh ... never mind ...".
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Thanks fer sharing !.....Great info. & history !
Can’t beat a Mauser action 👌
Cept the Lee-Enfield action did......twice
@@yourspun Imagine only having 5 round magazines. This post was made by the Lee-Enfield gang
@@D34THC10CK Imagine thinking the 10 round mag actually makes a difference when you still have to feed it with stripper clips and shitty ones at that. This post was made by the everyone elses servicerifle gang
@@yourspun Enfield action is a derivative of Mauser action isn't it?
@@D34THC10CK 5 extra rounds makes a world of difference especially when you're enemy is reloading and your still banging away at them
Very Cool Mauser Carbine. Thanks for showing this G40K Mauser , Gun Jesus !!!!!!!!!!!!! I would love to have one in my collection !!!!
That is in fantastic condition. I bet it handles great.
I'm a simple man, I see Mauser, I click again ;)
Just after opening my eyes, before I woke up, I saw the FW notification.
I saw experimental Mauser I writing, and half glanced at the image...
My first thought was:
"A MAG FED MAUSER!!!"
Then I realized that that was the prop holding up the rifle.
Needless to say, but that woke my sleepy self up!
MICHAEL MacDONALD me too
Same here, and with that small magazine size it must be in an intermediate sized cartridge...
Not to be "that guy", but all Mauser 98 style rifles are mag fed.
@@sam8404 internal blind mag, not external detachable mags though.
Coolest gun i ever bought was a experimental G43/K43 with V markings guy said he seen nothing like it, it was most likely all the G43 parts that overtime of experimenting were slowly added to make the rifle that would be the G43.
Any Mauser collectors out there know why some German K98s have light looking stocks like this? It seems to me that the factory standard finish was very dark but then rifles with a light blonde stock like this also show up. What is the reason for that?
In war, wood choice and lacquer choice was often limited by strained logistics and simple lack of availability.
Perhaps they skipped a few production steps which were just unnecessary for this experimental model.
Those at least are my guess given the circumstances, but I am neither a gunsmith nor that familiar with industrial processes.
As a former soldier however, I will add this: For war in Europe, a darker shade is preferable so you are less detectable while hiding in brushes and undergrowth and stuff. The "cool" black rifles are black for a reason.
Wood choice is a big factor. Walnut is darker then beech (two most common woods, birch was big in Russia). And the vast majority of rifles saw actual use, so there is a lot of dirt that has been worked into the stock of an average rifle. Stocks were also often refinished after the war before guns went into storage, so the more coats of finish the darker they get.
Day 1: so far it seems I'm gonna keep watching watching old and new vids of old and new guns!
My shoulder hurts just looking at this
Same here, but you know I would still put hundreds of rounds through it if I could. Love firing old bolt actions like this one.
DID SOMEBODY SAY 40K? *HAPPY KRIEG NOISES* *DYING FOR THE EMPEROR INTENSIFIES*
_[blams Commissar for cowardice]_
Given that production of the G33/40 also ended in 1942; it's likely that development of the G40K was not abandoned per se. Rather, the Wehrmacht just stopped procurement of all bolt-action carbines.
Love that hoodie!
One has to wonder why they bothered. Clear back at the dawn, they tried a carbine version of the Gew 98, it was not a raging success. The short rifle version used widely in WW1 soon replaced it to be followed by the Kar.98k of WW2 fame. I once owned a FN contract Dutch police 98 carbine. The barrel was around 18" as I recall. Surprisingly, the recoil was not all that bad and the accuracy quite good. The muzzle bast and flash was something else again; even in average daylight you could see about one foot diameter fireball at the muzzle on firing with service loads.
I have to ask what’s happened to the forgotten Weapons polo or t-shirt in the last few vids. Looking a bit casual these days
All locked in, surprised not in sweat pants and dirty t shirt
I think he is moving towards the Startrek image,demonstrating light sabers soon.
Maid is quarantined
One sad correction, the Gewehr 33/40 wasn't ordered from Czechoslovakia but from the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia. Slovakia had its own state and large parts of Bohemia and Moravia were annexed by the Reich.
It's funny how Germany tried to do everything with a rifle from 1898. I mean that they shorten it several times and make various iterations of it instead of just taking things from their occupied territories. And I know they did that too. But they're taking Mauser and having them faff about with shortening a rifle just a couple inches and making it slightly lighter. Why not, I don't know, make a carbine of the p38 pistol? Was the 1200meter "range" really that necessary?
... IDKmaybe because the mountain troops neede Shorter rifles and not what would end up being a shittier smg go figure
The Mauser 98 was a fairly solid action, pretty much all of Europe except France, Russia and some of Russia's imperial territories were using Mauser derived rifles at this time. To be fair this kind of experimental tinkering was basically the same process that resulted in the Lee Enfield No.4 and the Springfield a3, there's a point where you can really only make small adjustments to a design simply because anything larger would mean fundamentally changing the rifle, which military bureaucracies are infamously opposed to doing.
German infantry doctrine was built around MG units, not to mention that Germans put way less emphasis on infantry than, Soviets, for example. So, riflemen were more needed as ammo carriers for MG than standalone fighters.
This seems like an m1 carbine ripoff. And it was proven in WW1 the 1911 wasn't a casualty producer
If you look at it closely, you can see that the trigger guard is also lightened in front of the trigger compared to a K98k.
Forgottens Weapons 1 min ago is the best part of the morning
It really is
The way they removed weight make my think of the Lee Enfield N4 jungle. (i might be wrong on the name, but they removed some weight on a lot of place)
And the jungle carbine was the british response to the german 33/40 which was a copy of the czech vz33. These rifles had metal milled out of them to save weight. The british thought it was a good idea.
Are we aware of where the Aberdeen example went to? After Bush BRACed Aberdeen in '05, I was under the impression the small arms collection there somewhat disappeared.
Oida wie du Gebirgsjäger ausgesprochen hast 😂
Hahahaha noch ein deutschrr
@@supremeghost7950 ja gut klar, aber jedes deutsche Wort was Amis aussprechen klingt lustig
@@supremeghost7950 : Also ich spreche ,Wie bitte?' immer ,Ha?' aus, wo ist das Problem?
Ian I don't see your videos anymore. The last one that was reccomended was from 7 months ago. It gives the implication that you haven't uploaded. Though I know you upload every day. RUclips can't fool me.
What would it mean to be restored? Maybe built from a parts kit with a NOS receiver?
Hey Ian, you can use an online dictionary like www.leo.org to hear the correct pronunciation of German words. Just search for a word and click on the little round play button next to the German word. Note that square play buttons are computer-generated and don't sound as realistic, but are still mostly accurate. Google Translate also has the feature to pronounce words and sentences, which is not as good as actual recordings as humans, but slightly better than the computer-generated voice on leo.org.
I'd recommend recording a few attempts of pronouncing words and comparing them to recordings of native speakers to get the pronunciation as right as possible.
Very useful (and far more useful in the age before the Internet) is the International Phonetic Alphabet. You'll see it in pretty much every dictionary. It's incredibly easy to learn and makes correct pronunciation far easier than just trying to read the word.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Phonetic_Alphabet
Takes maybe half an hour to an hour until you are able to read this alphabet. It really is that easy.
Or you could just... you know... _not_ do that.
The production takes a lot of time as it is. Would you rather have half the number of videos with slightly better pronunciation or the current rate of videos with a word mispronounced here and there? I vote strongly for the latter.
Y'all ever see a gun so beautiful, you can't take your eyes off it? This is that gun.
Very cool, this one.
That sweater looks mad comfy. Where'd you get it?
Your pronounciation of "versuch" was actually pretty close.
Great upload Sir.
Stay safe and sound.
@4:20 being pasty has its moments.
Looks pretty cool, all things considered
I wonder about the recoil with such a short barrel and 8mm Mauser. I had a Turkish Mauser and it was looong. A buddy cut down a Mosin into what we called "Fugly." The barrel was about 2/3 the length and kicked like a mule...I think he still has that gun.
Very cool.
I'm trying to bubba my way to a look alike using only spare parts and an extra action. Wish me luck!
I like your sweater Ian :)
Mauser and the '98.....makes you wonder sometimes!! With all this "Reich" research.....LOLOL!! What was the twist rate changed, special 8x57 munitions...
I have to chuckle about this as it seems almost as a prelude to the later Volksturm VG-5/VK-98.
Mauser, or any turn bolt rifle that length, is a pretty fast handling CQB rifle, in THAT era; It was still outgunned with Allied weaponry.
Great info Ian! The more you dig, the more we learn!!! Thanks!
Nice model Mauser
@Ian Great video, as always!! In the German word "Versuch" (trial/test) the "ch" is pronounced like the sound an angry cat makes. Just open your mouth with your teeth closed and slowly exhale. The next best thing would be to pronounce it like "ck" (hard "k") - every German would get it. The "V" at the beginning is pronounced like "F". This applies to most cases like in V-2 (V for Vergeltung - vengeance), Volkssturm, Volkswagen (you know that one don't you ;-)), Vater (father) etc..
Ahh. V84. This things been around. Still would love to have a clone as a shooter. Would be a fun rifle. I agree with ian that its probably been restored.
I wonder if the auction will not be shut for the public?
Ian. Can you get your hands on Mg-42 and show us how its work mechanically.
Sebekglab Look through his videos. He made one a long time ago
@@pzkpfw2310 Looks like he only done Mg-34, and some shooting with Mg-34 and Mg-42 on range. Dedicated Mg-42 disassembly vid. is not there. If you have any link, I will much appreciate.
I always wondered. The Fallschirmjagers needed a short weapons during airdrops.
And no one came up with something like this early on for them?
Singular: Fallschirmjäger, Plural: Fallschirmjäger. Greetings Form Germany!
Nice
The V means Versuch. You can transpate it to Try oder Version 84:)
Hey, this makes me wonder. Why is the Zg47 considered one the best variations of the mauser action?
I know that this got nothing to do with the G40K, but I wanna know aren’t there ammunition that is similar to APFSDS rounds? It would in crease penetration and accuracy of a bullet.
If no one has pointed it out already, there's an incomplete G40k in the Oberndorf City Museum.
Christ, gun jesus is now a gun god, he has been doing these type of videos for YEARS, like 5+ years, I hope your doing well ian and tha ms for showing me guns that I never knew ever existed
Those "V"'s absolutely aren't the same punch. If this was a limited run, shouldn't the serial numbers - just a few apart - most likely be assumed to use the same letter punch? The two 8's are way off as well.
I hav k98 8mm , is my go to gun for long range shooting fun, I've seen k98 shoot threw thin part of a rail trains run on!!!
I also have one, it's my favorite rifle. Really accurate and fun to shoot.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what a beauty.
Can you make a n informational video about the relationship between the german mg-42 and the mg-3
as a native speaker it's always fun to hear Americans stumble over our pronunciations, but you honestly do a good job there
What's up with the plum coloring on the extractor?
Very interesting carbine. Now if it was in 7.62 Kurz, that would have been a true carbine.
Beautiful wood
Whos a cute tiny little Mauser, you are you are!
ian looks like he had a long night of research
I have a G.33/40 that my grandfather brought back after WWII.
Thank God they left that 1200 meter leaf on there
Thought the hole in the bolt handle was a tie down for para troops?
Since it's lighter, I bet that thing has quite a kick to it.
What if the hole in the bold handle was for a lanyard in case the mountain troops needed extra leverage if the bolt froze?
Maybe. Seems more likely it was done to reduce weight though.
That must be fun to shoot with hot military ammo.
I like it!
I'd loved to buy this but I can't imagine what it would go for at auction
It saddens me that you can see Ian age through this videos :(
Ian be drippin
I always find it so weird that it seemed so hard for countries to make a carbine for a bolt action rifle, when all they needed to do was shorten the damn barrel
You'd have to have different rifling otherwise the bullets would be too inaccurate, and you have to test the effects the shorter barrel has on recoil, and re-sight the guns, and they were also looking at making components lighter.
@@cleanerben9636 well, not necessarily. Especially if you are willing to trade off some accuracy for compactness and overall ease of use, which seems to be an adequate exchange for a weapon designed for specialized troops. As an example, AFAIK, there was only one rifling pattern for all WW2-era Soviet 7.62 mm firearms - the Nagant, the TT, the PPSh and PPS, the Mosin rifle, probably the Tokarev rifle as well. All worked reasonably well and were adequate for the job, and it made manufacture much easier.
However, based on my experience with the Mosin carbine, the combination of a short barrel and a full-size rifle cartridge makes for an extremely unpleasant gun to shoot (muzzle blast, noise, recoil, etc.)
I agree with DL24. Not many countries shorten their rifles primarily because of the adverse effect it has on the internal ballistics of the guns which translates to muzzle flash and recoil ... Nobody likes to be blind after firing a few rounds ..
It also adversely affects the balance. Cut off 4-5” at the front, you need to similarly reduce the same amount of mass at the back end to maintain a neutral + swing point (typically measured right in front of the trigger guard).
Please review the moonraker laser
Please, more rear Mauser carbines!