Sturmtruppen Firepower: The Artillery Luger
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The lP08 (Lange pistole 08) was formally adopted in 1913 to replace the Reichsrevolver for the field artillery. These were the German light artillery troops, who were specifically given a pistol caliber carbine to provide maximum firepower in a very compact package. They were made by the Erfurt Arsenal in 1914, and by DWM throughout the war, with a total of about 180,000 made.
What is most interesting to me is the evolution of the use of the “artillery Luger” throughout the course of World War One. Starting as simply a compact weapon for artillery, it was quickly recognized by aviators as an ideal weapon for aircraft before the mass introduction of aerial machine guns. The stock allowed more accurate fire, and the semiautomatic operation minimized the handling movements required to fire. More substantially, it was adopted by the German Sturmtruppen for maximizing the striking power of small and flexible units. It is for these men that the 32-round drum magazine was developed in 1916. This represents one of the very few formal military uses of a pistol-caliber semiautomatic carbine, as it was superseded by the advent of the submachine gun in 1918.
A few small batches were made in the 1920s and 1930s, but it would not see significant use in World War Two - leaving it a weapon specifically iconic to the Great War.
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get the feeling the guy carrying the extra mags would quickly become everyones best friend. no one wants to reload a snail mag....ever
IDK why the German army didn't use a long rhombus mag for this gun
@@christianweibrecht6555 Whats a rhombus mag?
@@azmanabdula I'm sure hes joking
@@christianweibrecht6555 Because we always liked to overengineer stuff a bit
@@azmanabdula a rhombus is a four sided shaped with parallel sides
Basically an extra long pistol mag
When you've unlocked all your gun's attachments
It is missing a bayonet and scope though.
The only bad thing about lugers is that you cant (easily) mount any optics
@@gearloose703 And laser light.
Grenade Launcher attachment anyone?
It's missing the bipod tho
You get an Artillery Luger, *10* magazines, and your own Man Slave to carry the magazines!
I'd feel like Baron Von Ündherbeit
Nicholas Patton Ündherbeit?
Solid Venture Brothers reference
Count von Trigglesford
Is that shit even still on the air?
Go Team Venture! ✌️
1917: "Hey we made this longer Luger for rear echelon troops so they have something better than a pistol, but isn't a rifle"
Sturmtruppen: "yeah Imma take that"
2001: "Hey we made this MP7 for rear echelon troops so they have something better than a pistol, but isn't a rifle"
KSK: "yeah imma take that"
US during WWII: So we have these M1 Garands, but made a M1 Carbine for the rear echelon guys....
Pekka Rastas paras were the front line atleast for a night
@@glandhound
Uh yeah, that was kind of the point....
1945: Hey we made this M1 Carbine for rear echelon troops so they have something better than a pistol, but isn't a rifle"
Paratroopers: "yeah imma take that"
1994: "Hey we made this shorter, handier M16 for special forces that can still mount a grenade launcher"
Regular US Army: "Yeah Imma take that"
Telling you Man, German Special Forces are like 40k Blood Ravens.
Fun fact: The Luger snail magazines are exempted by name from the magazine capacity limit in Canada.
WHY
@@ovizcarra8667 they're old, so they can't be good as a weapon
Is it because they suck? Or that they take an hour to load?
@@IvanTre or one of the pols themselves.
That's pretty cool ! Even canadians can't ban this beauty
This guy literally has been more times to RIA than I've been to McDonalds.
Think about all the guns and gun related things he's gotten to fondle and shoot.
One heck of a lucky guy. And to think he has people who hate him/ think he's a boring dumb dude. He's freaking awesome.
Me too, and I used to work at one lol
This guy literally ha been more times to RIA than i breathed
This guy is known as gun jesus sometimes hes a little boring but its all facts and truth 🙏
@@lasanha6328 nice attempt at a rip off.
When i was about 6 years old, I had an Uncle that had one of these he had captured during WW2, and it even had the drum magazine. he would take it partly apart, removing the toggle, and we would run around the house with it playing "Spacegun"! Had no idea of it's value until many decades later!
My how times have changed!!!!
Try that today and you'll get social service on your head if not worse. ;)
Times did change. Not everything for the better, but, luckily, not everything for the worse either.
@@tomaszwota1465 Yeah, it is odd and I think we are living out the old Chinese curse "May you live in interesting times"
One of the last times I saw that gun was about 1967 or so, when my Unk had the gun fully assembled and all the adults were allowed to load the drum and take shoot (no kids were allowed, but I was like 6 at most) at Lake Norman. There were only a few houses on the lake at the time, and I recall them firing ONLY A FEW rounds and 'Skipping' the bullets across a large cove and into trees on the far side.
@@brucerobert227 we sure are living out a Chinese course of some description. ;)
That sounds so wholesome!
What happend to your uncle and his lugger?
@@brucerobert227 Will bullets skip on water? I've never tried that... 🤔
I believe that's the first time I've heard the Reichsrevolver described as a "nice, handy and compact weapon"
Yea that thing was massive
compared to a full-length rifle at the time or even a carbine, that's probably an apt description.
The M79 is rather large, but the M83 is smaller.
All the Reich's revolver is a kraut cowboy gun thats way too big.
In fairness, these are artillerymen. Anything smaller than 37mm and they think it's a handy and compact weapon.
P08: "I feel kinda inadequate....."
Dw, some prefer the small ones!
Always love a stocked pistol! And that Luger looks gorgeous
assassinlexx awesome that you got to fire one! Amazing that they are over 100 years old and still a great looking pistol (even if the triggger isn’t!)
Stechkin's father
I would be interested in getting one, but these arent too common on the uk market for handgun collecting
@assassinlexx not gonna argue, but I learned with it so I always have a rouge time on "crisp" (snaps like dry wheat stalk) triggers. It was in 7.62 para so dunno if it was much different.
"Call in artillery!"
Bullets falls over enemy helmet with inaudible 'Thong'
I do not think "inaudible" means what you think it means.
Served in the artillery during my youth and most of my adult life, but never wore a thong (not on operations anyway lol). Webbing was Webbing!
@@johnanon6938 How else would you cosplay Bane from The Dark Knight Rises?
Great, now I got the image of ww1 soldiers staring in disbelief and confusion as skimpy ladies underwear rains down all around them.
@@captainsternn7684 Let me improve that image: Not just ladies'.
So, basically an PDW, an indirect spiritual predecessor of MP7, that Germans use now.
TotalRookie_LV I believe the pdw concept was primarily concerned with a high-power small calibre armour piercing round like that of an assault rifle scaled down
@@Lpph96
Idk, I always though that a pdw was something more than a handgun for troops that cannot carry a rifle due to it being inconvenient and/or a lack of training.
Kind of like the M1 Carbine.
Its a preacronymn weapon and just stop.
@@jonasstrzyz2469 that's a good way of looking at it. Its an attempt at a PDW, But not the modern version. It's not a direct predecessor.
MP-7 to Artillery Luger: *"Grandpa...?"*
10 seconds in: *Wow this is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen...*
10 minutes in: *Wow this thing is brilliant!*
Whenever I see the word *Sturmtruppen* , I think of Karl with the entrenchment tool spade
II Reich Sturmtruppen... Star Wars Stormtroopers... Hummm... 😎
Stosstruppen is the correct term for the German Army.
@@filipematias5127 Yes, they were based on the Nazis... We all know this.
weird, i just think of a really aggressive waffle
@@rkitchen1967 : Thanks for the info!
I always loved the grip angle and general shape of the P'08, and the long barrel just makes it better. A lot of other pistols look like a boring "box on the side of another box" to me.
I feel the same way. It's really hard to find any pistols other than revolvers that have a long barrel. That 55 degree grip angle is even more illusive.
I've seen WWI illustrations where german officers were using Artillery Luger esq. Lugers and it looks pretty sweet.
@@DarnedYankee The Germans also made a pistol with a longer barrel with a wooden fore arm the ones i have seen and used worked very well.
I have one of these. It's been in my family since WW1. My great grandfather somehow managed to hide it and not surrender it at the end of the war. When my great grandfather moved to America he brought it with him. It's a type of pistol that is unique to shoot
The lP08 was also deployed with great success by General Hunter S. Thompson during the Battle of Owl Farm at Woody Creek, Colorado.
"If you can hit you target, pretty much any gun will do the trick. Now that's one to grow on."
Wasn't expecting that reference in the comments "say hi to the fuhrer for me"
God revy was a great character.
The rear sight also drifted to the right as it rose in elevation. This accommodated the 9 mm bullet going from supersonic to subsonic and it's drifting that would occurr. Look at the pin attaching the rear sight to the barrel. On the left side it was drilled lower than the right side at 12:34 and onward. The right side shows up higher as seen at 8:45.
I know an old lady who had one. My friend was doing some work for her at her house and she wanted to pay him. He declined, until she handed him a near perfect condition Artillery Luger. He still refused to take it, but immediately referred her to a man at our church who is a HUGE historical firearm collector. I think she sold it to him, but it was crazy how it came out of nowhere. Apparently, her father had picked it up when he was overseas during WWI, in an all black group of US soldiers! Such a sweet lady too, and she had no clue how much money she kept in her house.
Wow that the best story I have heard in a long time thankyou very much
That is one of the coolest pistols I have ever seen. Too bad a modern reproduction with the stock would likely be an NFA item.
For a fraction of the cost of this I am sure you could buy a well-to-do Luger, buy an upper from Lugerman and a reproduction stock and you're only missing a big magazine.
@@TheFanatical1 i think Karl has one of the original snail mags, he always had problems getting reproductions working properly.
The artillery Lugers were always the coolest.
what does "NFA" mean?
@@NoNameAtAll2 national firearms act, it regulates weapons in the US.
My grandfather told me he had a buddy in the 1950's or 60's who had an Artillery Luger as an everyday carry gun. One day he found out that this buddy of his was held up one night and stabbed while trying to get the Luger out of his holster. Not the best story of an Artillery Luger but it stood out to me since it was the first time I had ever heard of such a Luger.
i mean, it wasnt made for CC. a snub nosed revolver, back then, would have been far superior. who would carry that big heavy stocked luger around?
@@mtnbound2764 Probably used it without the stock, to be fair.
I met a collector who owned a stock for one of these. It was brought back by a british soldier after WW2 whole however when the pistol ban came into place the luger had to be taken and cut up. Real shame.
Should've just COMPLETELY stripped it, and hid the parts amongst tools.
No way would I allow somebody to destroy a piece of history like that.
Cringe
@@vinmilesfewpics what's cringe
F in the chat
Holy shit that's sad
Great stuff ,I m going to take this opportunity to say THANKS IAN. You were the conduit for me to become aware of the channel "The great war " I had seen some of their series before. A few weeks ago as the current emergency was starting to hit home. I was watching and you recommend the show. So in six days I did the whole thing. If it's ok with you I'm going to order me. A Forgotten weapons University Diploma..for a Bachelor's degree in World War 1 Arms/History
Veronon and everyone else I have your next assignment. Indy is doing WW II . tps://ruclips.net/video/3-A1gVm9T0A/видео.html . enjoy !
Glad to hear you've discovered us, happy watching!
@@fg42t2 sweet thanks
Last time I was this early, going outside was still legal
I fired one a fried owned. The shoulder stock was missing but the pistol handled very nicely despite the long barrel and the “rifle” sights. Always wanted one after that!
The artillery Lugers are among the coolest historical pieces. Thanks for the excellent historical reviews you provide, Ian.
I was so curious about the history of this weapon. Thanks Ian!
When you max out your starter weapon
I got a varusteleka ad before this vid and honestly I’m so proud of my boys.
This looks beautifully built and finished!
So happy you've got a back log you're dropping for us!
Thank you Gun Jesus!
All so beautifully designed and made.....a collectors dream !!!!!!
That huge stock looks like a field artillery in itself...
Great attention to detail as usual. Great series for modellers as well!
Thank you for Ramling on.
Very cool pistol and interesting history.
I have an LP08, with the stock attached it is more accurate out to 100 meters than you would think.
@Christie Malry Typically from the standing position, I can hit a target the size of a dinner plate with nearly every shot when I concentrate.
You need a snail magazine if you don't have one. It makes the look. I got a Swiss luger 06/29. It's not the prettiest but the bore is good and it's a good shooter
I also tested with mine at 200 meters and I hit the target everytime.
Some pistols are just really accurate out to 100+ yds/M to many people's surprise.
I was shooting my dad's colt series 80 1911 at about 75-100yds one day, using leftover three to four inch clay pigeons that were littering the range, and that thing was hitting em dead on once I got accustumed to using pistol sights. I was able to shoot one in half, and then even shoot the remaining half in half.
This is why it's dumb to make fun of 600 meter (800?) sights on a weapon like this. If you can hit a man's chest at 100m, you can certainly shoot at an enemy *position* at 600m. Of course, by necessity only.
Except for the H&K VP70, was there ever a stocked pistol that Ian *didn't* like? ;)
Off the top of my head he wasn't keen on the Mauser C96 stock / holster - it wasn't awful, it was just very short.
Has he tried a Glock with a stock (Note: NOT the carbine conversion kits)? Personally, I absolutely hated it.
@@MikeNepo Roni kit is so much better. But I I you said except those.
I think he didn't like stechkin
Leon S Kennedy has entered the room
Wow, just when I thought Lugers couldn't get any cooler, you hit me with this baby!!! Fantastic piece of engineering.
that slow zoom-out when you were showing the drum gave me a weird vertigo feeling. trippy
I think it was a visionary idea. Low profile gun, with high firerate in semi auto, with a short trigger pull and good ergonomics. Nowadays we do PCCs and conversion kits, and they did it over 100 years ago.
this is one of my all time favorite pistols oh man its incredible. i wish i could find this book i read as a kid, there was a WW2 general or at least he was someone with some power and he carried this as his sidearm drum mag and all. darn id love to find that book so i could get the story back together and do more research on the guy
many thanks for your wonderful presentations of all these weapons. greetings from greece . to all the people of ''forgotten weapons'' , stay safe guys .
Great episode! I tested my DWM 1914 at 200m and it touch the target without difficulties.
You know you wanted to say "war were declared"
This is really cool. I knew that the Luger's movement was used in different styles of gins but I never would have expected this.
Such an interesting gun, thanks for show-casing it
Outstanding presentation! Thank you.
Would love an explanation of how that drum magazine pushes rounds past that acute angle.
The mags have a coil spring for the drum part and a second magazine spring for the straight part of the mag. I think C&Rsenal might have a demonstration of it.
Pel Minou i knew it
My great grandfather, a WW1 Canadian veteran who passed away in the late 1960s, always laments how humanity invests in such a consistently high quality and quantity of resources for killing each other.
Nevertheless, I am a gun nut and so was he. I guess only men of war know how to disapprove of war properly.
Well, u could see it from another angle: they are produced to prevent the killing.
Yeah, no more cousins war!
I knew it, i could be a peace lover and a gun lover at the same time!
Christopher of course you can be. Guns are just a tool, just like a hammer or a ratchet or a jackhammer. Granted they can be a very deadly tool. They are a tool none the less.
Professor Cakes The thing is. Yes, a gun is a tool. But what was this tool made for? A gun is made to kill and wound. It can be used for other uses, but it is primarily made to kill.
Thanks for clearing that up - Phil .
Nice, thank you. I recently inherited one of these; replica stock and no holster or snail drum (just regular mag), but the gun itself is original so it is cool to learn a little about these.
Pistols with shoulder stocks are vastly underrated.
Here I am watching a well made video about an interesting firearm, and all I can wonder is "where did Ian get the sick knitted hoodie?"
I'm wondering the same thing.
Really cool version of one of my favorite pistols.
Another great Vid!! Thanks Ian. Also cool Jumper!!
Really cool luger!
Are you a time traveler mate
You got it!
I REALLY love that jacket Ian is wearing, any leads on where I can maybe get one?
Came here to say the same! Spill your sources Ian!
More rambling please! Excellent!
You could do a whole series of videos on the Luger and it's evolution. Great stuff if you are under lock down and not working. Great way to spend some time each day.
If I wasn't on furlough I would seriously consider looking into getting this.
Just bloody awesome. When you going to do your two gun with this and a standard model ;-)
I picked up one of these at the Feb Regional Auction. Shoots great and gets a lot of attention at the local range.
Great video and keep the videos coming. I'm running out of stuff to entertain myself with! Take Care, John
>11:16 "lift up this tab"
*heavy breathing in steve1989*
"No hiss."
Nice hiss!
@@mitchmartin831 it's a shame he didn't get this out onto a tray
Niice!
I would love a deeper look at the drum mag.
So the follower first gets loaded normaly, and then it has to do a bend and starts spinning/turning up in the drum?
Yeah, I want to see how that works too. Really sharp bend there all of a sudden.
@@toki89666 Thanks for the tip, watched the video, but no answer to my question there. It looks like the follower has to bend and then spinns in the Trommel.
Thank you that is a cool design and a cool piece of History that I didn't know about
Ive been waiting sooooo long for this video
This thing looks so steampunk
My Grandfather got stuck behind enemy lines during exchanging trenches. After evading Germans ended up bringing one of these home with the snail mag. He had some great stories. Still have the pistol.
Thank You , Ian .
That is the coolest drum mag I've seen for a pistol
THE MOST BEAUTIFUL PISTOL AND ADD ON EQUIPMENTS 😍
even the pistol is happy about it 02:59 ;)
5:54 Did Ian say "ze concept"?
Great, informative Video. Love this gun.
YES! Finally. I've been waiting for the Artillery Luger :)
Hans...
GET ZE LUGER
Forget ze Luger....
Get ze Gustav
@@delayedhoe9714 Forget ze Gustav, get ze Panzerkampfwagen Leopard 2A5!
@@larrythorn4715 forget ze Leopard 2A5, get ze Bismarck!
@@aslamnurfikri7640 forgot ze Bismarck, get ze Maus
@@aslamnurfikri7640 Damn you Friedrich, make up your mind!!!
What I would like to see is how the snail magazine works. It isn't intuitively obvious how the cartridges move through the magazine.
I agree. . need another tutorial video . . .how do the rounds make the corner from snail to stick, and restack . . .?
partial explanation - ruclips.net/video/ZrrMe_Y9zy8/видео.html
Thanks, Ian.
I don't have one of these but my great-grandfather was a pilot in world War 1 and brought a Luger home stamps 1916 with the leather holster and the spare magazine. It's one of my most prized prized possessions as well as the 1918 Mauser 98 rifle.
That sweater is awesome
Does anyone know what brand that is/where to buy it?
Maybe it will come up in one of the Q&As.
I get British commando vibes
I scrolled down all these comments to find the one looking for the sweater. I too, want to know what it is. :D
Forgotten Sweaters
That is an unbelievable piece, the quality is beautiful and all of the accessories are there. I would love to know how much that goes for at auction.
www.rockislandauction.com/detail/78/3402/persian-contract-artillery-luger-with-holster-and-harness
The example at the link Sold for $7,475, dunno about the one Ian was holding but other examples at Rock Island's auction block went for nearly half that without the stock 'n holster.
@@Rixoli Thanks man
That’s a nice piece of history there!
All Lugers are such a piece of art!
I'm curious how the cartridges make it through the angle in that magazine.
Kraut space magic
They're made of the same alloy as the terminator in I think terminator 2 (gallium looking dude) and they melt then resolidify to get through
Extra portability and firepower for those awkward situations where you're holed up behind enemy lines, and what I thought was a Denny Meat Pie, attached to the magazine in case you're there a long time and you get hungry!
Andrew G. Carvill . The pie addition would have guaranteed their widespread and continued use in Australia. Alas, no point longing for missed opportunities! 😢
I miss the old intro that was basically just a chill organ solo. Keep up the good work ian.
Thanks for the vid sir.
03:00 any pistol that has a smiling emoji integrated is great in my book 🙂
An emoji wearing a wee little Shriner hat. 👌 The mark of a fine pistol.
When stormtroopers started to use artillery lugers did artillery guys change to other pistols?
I've always wondered how widely they were issued to artillery - at least during the middle part of the war the German artillery's biggest threats were from aeroplanes and counter-artillery, not infantry assault. My hunch is that during the German offensive of 1918 they were short of all kinds of equipment and had to make do with whatever they could get.
The Lange Pistole 08 was also used by aeroplane crews in the beginning of the war. They switched to heavier stuff pretty soon, though.
@@AshleyPomeroy The Kaiserschlacht of 1918 was very different from the last, desperate offensives of 1944-45, not only was there no strategic bombing of Germany but the Germans had also won the war in the East which meant that the expended a lot less weapons and equipment in the months prior to the offensive in the West. All in all the Germans did not have significant shortages of either weapons or ammunition. Their big problem was the shortage of food and horses which meant that the ability for sustained forward movement was limited.
There were still German artillerymen close to the line, the Feldartillerie had to be close to the front both because of the shorter range of their 77mm guns but also because they were part of the German anti-tank defences. Then you had the 'Close Combat' (Nahkampf) and Infantry Gun units who effectivly fought in the front line due to their close support mission.
@@danielstaberg8558 I hadn't thought of the anti-tank aspect. I wonder if they ever thought of developing tungsten-core 9mm armour-piercing ammo so the artillerymen could take out tanks with their long-barrelled Lugers. The mental image is fascinating.
Now that is a thing of beauty
Great Channel, rly!
I appreciate the history informations delivered together with the visual impact of the introduced devices.
And about u and the RIA: U should rent a room close to them, or inside their building. Honestly, the most interesting videos from u r they about devices from RIA.
I think also that they fit best with ur channels name most important part: 'forgotten'.
The first time I saw this idea was on "For A Few Dollars More" as Douglas Mortimer's pistol.
www.imfdb.org/wiki/For_a_Few_Dollars_More
I believe the gun you are referring to was a broomhandle mauser.
@@reathelmort I've really got no idea, but that one looks far too modern for the film setting. The site I've found pictures of it on states it's a Buntline Special with a shoulder stock. It looks like it to me, but I don't know whether that's right.
Ian's thoughts on it :
An akward looking package, with a big thing that hangs bellow.
That's pretty phalic.
What a really cool and immaculate example.
These things are just beautiful. That would make a range gun deluxe for the connesseur.
I use this in BFV and it's amazing LUOTETTAVAA SAKSALAISTA TEKNOLOGIAA
It’s called PistolE!!!!
The “E” is not silent
Ruhig Blut - das Leben ist zu kurz um Deutsch zu lernen!
@@11Kralle nein ist es nicht
@@tizianhlawatsch7037 In diesem Fall nehme ich alles zurück und behaupte das Gegenteil :D
"Piece-toe-lay" wird aber die bessere Krücke sein...
Just sublime.
Excellent video as always. If I may make a small correction, the Germans started experimenting with small infiltration units working with modernized artillery tactics to prep enemy entrenchments as early as the winter of 1914. The best literature that I know of on the subject would be Bruce Gudmundsson’s “Stormtroop Tactics: Innovation in the German Army, 1914-1918” as well as “On Artillery” by the same author.