The Echo Knight Optimized (Stand User: JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure): D&D 5e Character Build
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- Опубликовано: 14 июл 2024
- Matt Mercer, the voice of Jotaro Kujo from the JoJo's Bizarre Adventure series, created the Echo Knight within the world of Exandria for Critical Role. Here we examine how best to optimize that subclass, in what turns out to be an incredibly powerful melee build, with a ton of flexibility, tanking prowess, lockdown functionality, strong battlefield mobility, and nearly broken utility, while also forming the basis of a phenomenal Stand User.
What is a Stand? It’s a psycho-spiritual manifestation of the soul of the user, with unique supernatural abilities. It generally presents itself as a figure hovering over or near the user and possesses abilities beyond that of an ordinary human.
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1:52 Level 1-2
7:54 Level 3-5
9:13 Level 6-10
12:13 Level 11-13
14:31 Level 14-20
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Personally, I love the idea of an ancestor who is really proud of the character and just decides to come along for their adventures. Then they become the echo.
Awesome!
I like the opposite idea: An angry ghost that thinks the Barbarian is a disappointment and manifests themselves to show the younger generation how it's done
I’m currently playing a echo knight in my current campaign and it’s been really cool so far, I’m the party healer so I have the healer feat and plan to become a mercy monk. So with the echo, I can stay back and heal our wizard in the back while my echo can fight upfront with the barbarian
Very cool.
What level is your multiclass? I was thinking of going the same route!
If you want to go for part 5 style, multi class into astral self and if your dm is cool with it, your echo gets the arms too, STICKY FIIIINGERRS!!!
Your DM should be okay with this. The feature say “make the attack as if within your echo’s space”, so it’d be weird if the astral arms didn’t count
this is the multiclass that most made me want to try this but I figured it would work that way
"When a creature that you can see within 5 feet of your echo moves at least 5 feet away from it, you can use your reaction to make an opportunity attack against that creature as if you were in the echo's space."
It seems like the second two bullet points of sentinal do not apply to opportunity attacks made from the echo's position.
Maybe that is what you meant though.
I absolutely LOVE this build and I will be using it for my next campaign :)
So glad I found you man the builds are amazing aswell as easy to follow and I love some of the flavor you threw in. Definitely got a new subscriber with this vid!
Thank you and let me know how it goes!!
I ran a fallen Aasimar echo knight once for a one shot. Based on Arawn, a Celtic death god. The “echos” he summoned were always a doppelgänger of the enemy; as if using their own soul to attack them. Lots of fun!
Thats pretty damn sick
I like to go custom lineage + crusher lvl 1 to get 18 strength, and once I hit lvl 4 take Sentinel. With that combo you can use crusher to force enemies away from your allies and then with clever positioning you can force opertunity attacks and hit em with Sentinel. One of the biggest downsides of your build (until you get crusher), is that once enemies get onto your squishy allies, you can't make good use of Sentinel.
I’m currently playing an echo knight at lvl 5 and I’m going for bloodhunter next love this build
The guardian build by treanmonk is what I'm playing now. Its a great build.
Is that the barbarian build with the wizard levels?
@@cmccbuilds8229 yeah, ancestor barbarian, echo knight fighter, war wizard.
@@cmccbuilds8229 my last game i got 6 barbarian levels, and 3 fighter levers. I did around 150 damage in one turn. Using the 6 attacks.
WOW!!! Nice build!!👍
A friend of mine made a Gloomstalker Ranger/Echo Knight who makes 6 attacks on first round, then Hunter's Mark and finish the foe in a couple of hits the next turns
Ha. I’m working on that exact build for my own character now.
@@cmccbuilds8229 Glad U liked It. I wonder if you have a pop culture character in mind for that😊
I don’t but it’s dangerously close to a Peter Pan build ;)
@@cmccbuilds8229 🤣🤣Nice! I was thinking on Kabal from Mortal Kombat
If by some miracle your DM is okay with flying races. This combo is even more disgusting with variant tiefling. Being in air and sending your echoes down to hit enemies and forcing them to have disadvantage is just nasty.
Im actually preparing to play an Echoknight/Ancestral Barbarian combo this weekend as my previous character just died last week. My flavor for the build is a magical trio of kobolds all hatched from the same egg. 3 kobolds but mechanically one creature. Like your build its mostly fighter with my starting level 14 Im doing an 11/3 split. I am using Unarmored Defense with a Shield which is giving me a 21 AC with my Con/Dex. I didnt optimize Str, allowing for my Rage to pick up the slack there.
I also took the Sentinel Feat though I had to wait for it but got the Strike of the Giant Feat thanks to my background. I choose the Hill Giant option to know things prone. Kobolds being typically the shortest race tend to like to bring things down to their level. Plus its another way to eat up enemy movement. Best of all with an Echo’s ability to travel in 3D space I might be able to knock flying enemies out of the sky, and there is no restriction on the size of the creature you can knock prone!
Whenever I want to make a "summoner" in 5e I add 2 levels or more of war wizard to echo knight.
now I kinda wonder what an Echo Knight / Bladesinger would be like.... Attack + Cantrip + Echo attack, Action Surge, Attack + Cantrip + Echo attack :)
Got this going on in a current campaign. Playing a half orc ancestral barb, got 6 levels deep and felt out of place. I learned about echo knight and talked with my dm if we can change up how my character progressed. Since the ancestor was part of my backstory, we did 3 to barb for the path then 3 to fighter for the echo and made the echo knight my ancestral guardian. It kinda nerfed echo knight because we have him only do unarmed attacks since rp wise, he's not me. By lvl 8 we got sentinel and polearm master since my guy uses a Glaive. And lvl 9 stayed on fighter for the extra attack. Currently in the story I did a ritual with witches to learn more about my ancestor but it backfired and it changed how he looked and grew a hatred for me, I've been playing in fights without him because he would refuse to come out. We just leveled up to 10 and I'm getting the dragon mark feat for the con and the range since my ancestor doesn't want to participate.
Great build! Is there anyway to optimize this build using unarmed attacks? Like if I took unarmed fighting style and dipped in monk er something? If I’m role playing jojo’s, sending a barrage of punches with my stand is essential lol.
Great minds think alike ended up making this build for my At work Campaign, which starts Monday. Gonna be SUPER fun any pro tips not in the video?
The only real tip: have fun ;) also watch out for teleportation which is more and more frequent at higher levels
@@cmccbuilds8229 I guess the true power was the friends we made along the way
Lol
I have an ancestral barbarian in party and I've been thinking that this would make a cool multiclass for her should she choose to
Pass the vid along to her :)
Crawford says you can't teleport using the long range echo option.
He said the intent was to include a restriction but it was left out (discussed in video). Without that restriction, the teleportation is RAW, but definitely not RAI.
sorry im new to dnd, how do you set this up in dnd beyond? does anyone have a step by step or a link to a video that goes in depth?
Make sure you pay for the options and turn on the optional features
Huh, I missed this one somehow.
Ok. This was pre Tasha and the Way of the Astral Self monk, right?
Don’t know tbh. The point was to optimize the Echo Knight, which was pretty clearly based on JJBA via the Matt Mercer connection.
@@cmccbuilds8229 Well, Astral Self Monk is also a pseudo Jojo.
It should be noted that Tulock's build of Dio, Josuki, and Giorno are partly Astral Self Monks.
I re-read astral self monk - Echo is the better fit here. The stand is it’s own unique “person” that fights for you, not just extra arms. It’s not a 1-1 fit though (if I ever do a specific JoJo build, I will address this).
I disagree with tulok on many of his builds. This is no different.
@@cmccbuilds8229 I understand.
@@stanleyteriaca2184 I see way of the astral self like a susanoo from Naruto then a stand
If you want to do something different, I came to a similar type of build by wanting to create a Monk build that was strong in early-mid play.
For your race you take Hexblood, this gives you access to the Hex spell which you’ll be using to make up the bulk of early game damage.
For background I decided to be a pirate due to the subclass I would pick and to tie the race choice to sea hags. Plus I wanted Perception proficiency.
You start as a monk. If possible you’d wanna ask your DM if you could get Ki points equal to your level + WIS modifier, but this build works regardless.
You take the first 3 levels in monk, using the short sword temporarily. You take the Way of the Astral Self subclass for astral tentacle arms that can punch.
At level 4 you take a half feat to bring your DEX to an 18.
At level 5 you get extra attack and now do 4 attacks in a round. With hex up you should be doing respectable damage still when you go all in.
At level 6 you multiclass fighter, pick up the unarmed fighting style since monks don’t get their damage dice to 1d8 till 11th level and this works faster.
At level 7 you get Action Surge and you now can do [(8d8 + 32) + 8d6] damage against a single target you don’t like.
At level 8 you pick up the Echo Knight subclass and now you can do 10 attacks on an action surge between you and your echo.
It was at that point when I realized that I had basically accidentally created a JoJo Stan.
Unfortunately, the way Manifest Echo is worded, it doesn't synergize very well with Sentinel.
You’ll need to explain that
@@cmccbuilds8229 well, the second bullet point would never come up while using your echo because it states that "Creatures provoke opportunity attacks from /you/ even if they take the Disengage action before leaving /your/ reach."
And Manifest Echo states "When a creature that you can see within 5 feet of your /echo/ moves at least 5 feet away from /it/, you can use your reaction to make an opportunity attack against that creature /as if/ you were in the echo's space."
Basically creatures can disengage from your Echo without issue.
Now the third bullet, technically works but not when your Echo is so far away.
It states: "When a creature within 5 feet of /you/ makes an attack against a target other than you (and that target doesn't have this feat), you can use your reaction to make a melee weapon attack against the attacking creature."
Bottom line is that because the Manifest Echo implies that You and your echo occupy separate spaces, most useful Sentinel features won't come up.
This is incorrect. When someone tries to move past the echo, you can make an opportunity attack and lock them down. That’s the key feature of the feat for this build. They can only attack your echo and can’t move past to attack anyone else.
@@cmccbuilds8229 I understand that, but in the video you made it sound like the other two effects would be useful as well
And if the enemy is so inclined they can absolutely disengage from the echo or attack something besides it. It wouldn't necessarily be a great choice for them to attack something besides your echo with AG but it isn't as ironclad as you make it out to be
If I was a DM, honestly, I'd say that attacks against echo after using reckless get advantage against it.
Ok but those aren’t the rules of the game
@@cmccbuilds8229 If you'd go into like spot on specifc text wording, perhaps not but honestly that whole thing is semi busted, I wouldn't wanna mind game every single encounter as a DM just to counter a player, seems annoying, so I'd rule it as echo still getting those penalties, reckless idea is that you perform an attack that leaves you open for attacks, echo performed that action, so it's exposed to those counter attacks against it. Considering it can be made on next turn with no cost and as a bonus action, it seems fair to me.
@SUPERSEXMACHINE100 ranged attacks and spells/spell-like effects make the feature far less busted
@@cmccbuilds8229 Well sure beating echo's AC by a ranged attack can work but that's exactly what I meant by needing to tailor encounters vs this build, suddenly something basic like a group of basic bandits or beasts with range attacks capabilities need to be over used, also ruins the whole factor that a basic commoner bandit wouldn't know that the misty shadowy guy needs to be focused down by ranged before going into melee, it just becomes all very meta-gaming combat at that point from my perspective. Again, just seems annoying and not really fun for anyone other than that player using echo's, it's why I'd still rule it as penalties for those reckless and other attacks as still affecting echo's.
Or you could just let the player feel powerful and not try to counter it. The echo is never making the attack RAW so it actually doesn't make sense to give advantage on the echo. Raw the echo is just a you shaped portal you make attacks through.
This is a literal copy of Treantmonk's build from 3 years ago (2 before this video was published)...
This is literally wrong
False lmao.