I'm completely over the High Republic.
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- Опубликовано: 2 дек 2023
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the old republic will always be a thousand times more interesting than high republic
The High Republic is too high for anyone.
The Old Republic Era is the equivalent of Classical Antiquity. While the High Republic era is essentially the Galactic renaissance and the equivalent of the Renaissance anti-age of exploration. Also it is the equivalent of the Arthurian legends and the Age of Heroes for the Jedi order of this period.
@@WyattDucar Basically a Legends version of the High Republic would've been the stuff of legends and heroes.
Which is essentially what the High Republic Era is. You have heroes like Stellan Gios, Avar Kriss, and Porter Engle being legendary Jedi in their own right willing to sacrifice themselves against the Nihil within this time period.
Also to be fair legends never explored this 1,000 year time period between Darth Bane and Darth Plagueis so maybe if it did explored back when legends were around I could see the legend version being similar albeit with some differences like maybe you could tell some planetary conflicts that the Jedi had to solve or something like that. Plus was piracy a big problem as well for this time period in legends (that contributed to the republic decline plus you have the stark hyperspace war.) especially for the Judicial Forces?
Took the words right out of my mouth
i miss the the 1990-2000s years of mass paper back sci fi books
Big same
What was great about back then was the number of eras to choose from, which took risks which had long-term consequences.
Now, besides for the High Republic storyline, all we have is the milking of the period from the Clone Wars to some years past the Battle of Endor for all it’s worth. Mainly, spin-offs of spin-offs of the Clone Wars CGI series. And they are seemingly afraid to take chances, down to the sparse dialogue in the shows. Maybe if they didn’t spend the majority of their budget on the shows, we could have more.
@eds1942 Andor was really the only recent piece of Star Wars that took a different route and was unique. And even that was still in a milked Era.
@@Ketol1510 Andor and Rogue One.
I still stand by the Clone Wars Multimedia Project being peak Star Wars Expanded Universe. They've never topped that, and they never will.
When I read Light of the Jedi, it was really apparent to me that this was just set in the wrong time. They needed to go back further. I'd have gone back to 8,000 BBY. That was just one of the issues I had with it. I was in the largest chain book store near me yesterday. They now have zero Star Wars books on shelf. It had been getting smaller and smaller for some time, but now nothing.
I didn't mind that. I got so fed up with their new saying that was so incredibly dumb;
" _We, are all of the Republic._ "
It's like they had to bite their tongue to not say " _May the Force be with you_ " because of how they keep spitting that line out so they had to make up a new one, that somehow is even worse when said 5 times in 2 pages.
And then the other most glaring mistep of the book: Yoda is described as being _already old_ . Why?
It makes no sense. It's like the writer ( _Charles Soule_ ) just lacked the creative mind to picture Yoda as being young.
Aside from that, _Light of the Jedi_ was pretty interesting, until we found out who the villain was... Then it was just... Meh.
I heard a piece of writing advice somewhere that goes something like "Is this the most interesting thing your characters can be doing right now? If not, is there a reason you aren't showing us that?" The golden age of the New Republic just doesn't sound as interesting as the Old Republic vs the Sith Empire.
To be honest I never had an issue with the High Republic era being 200 years before the movies despite some people think it a bit short but in real-life Rome fought in the Punic wars from (264 and 146) BC and then one hundred to two hundred years later Rome was literally fighting itself in it’s civil wars such as Sulla, Marius, and Caesar.
As for Yoda in this period there is concept of Yoda with a topknot in the Art of the High Republic book where according to Kristin Baver at Star Wars Celebration Anaheim 2022 they were considering making Yoda younger.
The reason why they abandoned topknot Yoda and keep Yoda the same was because since he was 900 years old in Return of the Jedi which is set 4 ABY when he died so from the perspective of Lucasfilm artists that involved within the High Republic creative team. he probably not going to change so drastically in 200 years between The High Republic and the Phantom Menace.
Also Yoda was born around 896 BBY and by the time of Phase 1 he would be around 664 years old with Phase 2 being set 150 years earlier he would be 514 years old so i could see why they didn't use topknot Yoda as imagined that concept would be set either at the age of 100s-200s or 300s-400s? given Grogu is 50 years old in the Mandalorian?
it is worth noting that the artist points out this in his commet ''For a younger Yoda, I was keeping those elements of his bone structure and chaseland them out a little bet, smoothing some areas, but leaving those timeless wrinkles on the forehead.''
Light of the Jedi is one of my favourite books
@@MrWill9002What exactly was the issue then, because relative to other species, Yoda is ancient.
I'm going to re-skim the passage to be fair, however I don't exactly understand your criticism.
Wait... that whole plot point actually sounds incredibly similiar to the Dark Imperium series from Warhammer 40k, post the Fall of Cadia - a significant event which split off Imperium Nihilus from the rest of the Imperium with a great warp-rift spreadying from the Eye of Terror. It might just be surface level in its similarities, but that is rather strange.
Good observation
I was just thinking this, especially with the way the villain group is described. It sounds like if someone who didn't really get WH40k tried to convert it to SW.
Makes sense as the Disney brand of Star Wars hasn't had a single good idea except doing a movie that leads in to the first scene of a new hope and that film took reshoots and rewrites.
Since Disney killed Star Wars (maybe someone will rescue it one day) I have been getting in to 40k way more, I would say Disneys loss is GWs gain for sure despite being very different IPs and I really should look in to the Dark Imperium series but theres sooooo muuuchhh looorreee
@@notwhatitwasbefore Lmao. Gotta love people like you saying Star Wars is dead every day. You're always wrong. Andor was great. Rogue One. Star Wars Squadrons, The Bad Batch, Rebels, Jedi game series, and on and on.
Also, GWs gain? lmfao. They've been fucking up almost non-stop for a decade. Gotta love people like you trying to claim Star Wars is dead and defending one of the most horribly run properties in the world.
Also, you can't copy an idea that has been used ad nauseum for thousands of years. You're basically describing a galactic version of West and East Rome. Rome and the Byzantine Empire. It's no different than any other outside context story trope. It wasn't original to 40k, either.
Yeah, my biggest complaint about Disney era Star Wars is that they are really bad at showing galactic scale conflict and scale in general. TLJ had the fate of an entire galaxy of trillions upon trillions of beings whittled down to three transport ships on one side and maybe two dozen capital ships on the other. Too bad this trend seems to extend to the books.
actually very insightful comment
It’s so confusing. The first time I saw TLJ I legitimately thought that was the entire First Order and Republic since the Republic planets and Starkiller base blew up, and they never established the size of either. That was never an issue in either previous trilogy, as both presented the scale of each side and how they fought.
The Rebel alliance felt like a massive organization compared to the Galactic Republic which should not be the case.
I agree Disney Star Wars feels tiny. They are Terrible at scale. Even the giant battle at the end of RoS felt tiny, because it was poorly presented, and because of the tiny feeling mess of the rest of Disney Star Wars made it feel like there weren’t real stakes.
The battle of Coruscant is such a breath of fresh air, it was a big return to form after the prior two movies, and now that the sequels are done and the closest thing we have to that is still the battle over Scarif, it makes you put everything into perspective. Is this where the fun has to end?
I really want a series post-ROTJ when the New Republic and Empire are fully at war, huge-scale battles with dozens of star destroyers and star hawks and crap. I feel like it's a great time period for massive strategic battles, which we seem to almost never see now.
I've never really enjoyed the concept of the High Republic era taken at face value. It's suppost to be over a thousand years of galactic history in which near zero major conflict takes place. And a pack of laser sword carrying PACIFISTS can keep everything in line.
That in itself is really hard to believe and seems to imply that the only thing dangerous enough to actually pose any amount of world altering threat is the sith, which does a disservice to everyone else in the setting.
Are there not pirates or slavers? Are there not internal divisions and power struggles? Are you telling me that hundreds of intellegent races simply get along perfectly fine because republic? No plagues or disasters worth mentioning occurr in over a THOUSAND years?
I agree with most of what you said but at no point can the jedi be called pacifist conflict averse absolutely but not pacifist, pacifist dont chop your arms of if you dont surrender.
Was thinking the same. Anyone, with an even passing knowledge of history would know this state of affairs is utterly hilarious and nonsensical. No possible way an area this large, containing this main diverse species would always get along. Nor would the governing body not have an active military force to protect it.
But there was slavers and piracy, there were small scale conflicts. The judicials largely handled it.
Exactly!
Never understood the appeal of the era you would with an enemy attacking republic space they would have an army or personal militia to defend them self.
the lack of capital ships in this era is
just
depressing
the longbeams are so CURSED
also teh spidership
To be honest I thought the ships in the High Republic looked very cool.
And the *sentient fucking rock.*
@@WyattDucar because they do its just cursed like longbeams are like smaller than the falcon how tf are they carrying multiple starfighters
@@nkosig4995 Well if you played Halo Reach the Covenant had their fleets carrying cruisers as well. Plus that the point of this period the republic is not militarized until 200 years hence why you planetary forces like the RDC and the judicial forces. Once we reach the prequel era that when capital ships become important again.
@@WyattDucar no I mean like...
Physically
The Stormwall sounds exactly like that weirdo path to Exegol that everyone needs a special Force compass to navigate (except Lando & Friends, he presumably was granted passage for his winning smile).
i find it amusing that the writers think a bunch of disorganized anarchists would be able to build technology to take over part of the galaxy.
Because yall dont read or understand this video he clearly is missing a fuckton of information to know why it all works, the books explain it all lmao @@MrChickennugget360
@@Crocthunder then explain it. How do a bunch of anarchists build all that tech and take over the galaxy?
@@MrChickennugget360they have republic senators in their pocket, the scientist who specialised in hyperspace gravity also worked for the nihil. They're not actually an anarchist group, the leader, marchion ro, is extremely organised and prepared
@@rooracleaf561that explains nothing
Totally unrelated, But we need a Clone wars Version of "Star Wars Squadrons".
Completely agreed, fantastic era to storytell in if done right
Isn't this the plot arc of the self-repairing minefield from Deep Space 9?
Honestly this whole thing feels like it would probably work better as a Star Trek plot. Then I remember Lower Decks actually did do something similar to this, just on a smaller scale.
I can see surface level similarities but this seems way too wacky.
In DS9, the mines not only took a while to set up, but they only covered a relatively tiny area of space rather than the entire quadrant. They were also disabled with relative ease (ableit taking a while) rather than practically doubling its size.
@@justice9539 This. The mines simply made it so the wormhole was worthless to the Dominion, preventing them from bringing in external fleets to bolster their massive fleet already present.
Wouldn't surprise me.
Star Wars came to life stealing from Star Trek (Doomsday Machine was stolen and made the Death Star) so I suppose it's only fitting that it continues to steal from Star Trek even though both franchises are now dead.
@@slyguythreeonetwonine3172 Weapons that can affect planets have always been a thing in scifi.
Jedi Survivor did more to make me interested in the high republic then any other promotional material or book
LMFAO How ? Because of a whiny Sephiroth rip-off ?
@@yrooxrksvi7142 TANALOR IS MINE!
I honestly was never more put off by the High Republic era than after Jedi Survivor.
This era should have been the Jedi trying to hold a republic together that was collapsing under its own weight. It should have highlighted the flaws of huge governments, the failing of a Jedi order becoming more and more political, and occasionally Jedi coming up against sith plots.
You are describing the Last 2 centuries of the new sith wars
@@Ale-dd3ek history rhymes.
@Ale-dd3ek Honestly I wish we had more material set during the New Sith Wars Era in Legends.
Wait, what happened to the creature the Sith sealed away only for the Jedi to undo the seal and get screwed over it at the start of the High Republic in the comics Eckharts Ladder?
The teamed up with the hutts and killed the hive mind leader or something like that. They are called the Drengir btw.
Got wasted.
It was resolved in like 5 minutes
@@scottwerner279 It was actually near the course of a galactic year.
@johnathanmarlin3994 so they wasted that concept and enemy in favour of pirates? Explains a lot....
Took me till the end of the First Phase to realize how much of a shallow endeavor this was. It's quite troubling how much of Disney Canon lacks in depth.
They could have easily taken the expanded universe, keep the good stuff, cut the more wonky shit, and made that into their new canon. But nah, they just had to stick it to Lucas, and look how that turned out.
@@basedstreamingatcozy-dot-t7126 The same reason shit is made on the internet making crap for crap sakes, originality is out stealing is in. Creativity is dead and the writers have no fucking brain cells let alone an imagination. Stagnation even in Hollywood, degradation and rot.
@@basedstreamingatcozy-dot-t7126 plus, if they thought people would be confused, that would be all the more reason to republish the new canon-from legends in new editions and even make like collector edition books for those stories. It’s a win win
Only the Zahn and Luceno novels are interesting, that's pretty much it, and they were Legends authors
What a ridiculous claim
It says a lot that at my local Barnes & Noble you can still find wave 1 High Republic first editions while they have difficulty keeping legends books in stock.
You realize they restock right , like bro lol and the legends books only get reprints sometimes , literally yall use your eyes and still act like face value with no critical thought is fact
@@Crocthunder Of course they get restocked, but not first editions, especially not two years later. Also, legends reprints are always available, at least online.
I read the first three books. The middle one was good enough to make me read the third. All in all it was pretty meh. I lost interest completely when they changed the era completely. They almost have to put a cap on how dangerous the enemy can be because its not like the Republic can fight them in an actual full on conflict so close to the prequels.
Agree, but the third book and that phase 2 being a flashback made me just not care. Plus book third killed one of the only characters I liked.
lol, a Senator leaves their cushy perfectly decadent life in the letteral center of the galaxy to go live with some space barbarians and somehow internally justifies it as somehow having more authority, power and importance? Sounds to me like a rich kid coming into their midlife crisis.
Something you do actually see in the high republic comics for this phase is the militarization of the Jedi order and how they go from these really cool lightsaber designs to the ones we get in the prequels - and considering one of the main characters is one of the Jedi that have statues - the ones that left I'm hoping we see why
I’m not gunna read them- what’s the TLDR on the lightsaber (de)evolution?
@@MaxSDSFlol
Me too and thank you for bringing that up we are literally seeing the seeds of the downfall for not just the Jedi Order but also the Galactic Republic.
@MaxSDSF Post Ruusan where the Galaxy is rebuilding. The Jedi are going from demilitarized warrior priests to more a reclusive order of monks.
I honestly thought that bit was a little silly. The Prequel Jedi all build their own Lightsabers and it was implied this was a tried and true method they'd done for centuries, but apparently back then the Order has a whole workshop of Jedi building Lightsabers en masse, or even just for simple pleasure. Like the one woman who was sculpting a single blade for ages. When was it ever previously established that Jedi just constructed a bunch of cookie-cutter Lightsabers during a crisis? And why don't they seem to do it during the Prequels, when a galaxy-wide war has broken out?
They go from being in hiding to controlling a large portion of the galaxy almost overnight, boy where have I heard that before?
#AskEck Could we get a video on how to pronounce certain names in Star Wars? Joruus C'baoth (Is it Saa-bai-yoth, Sa-bo-ath, or Se-baoth?); Darth Caedus (Kay-dus, or Cai-dus?); AT-AT(Rhymes with "Hat-Hat", or say each individual letter?); and other infamous examples of confused pronunciations in Star Wars?
saa-bai-oth and cai-dus.
Maybe but you can also check essential character guide.
@@EckhartsLadder Essential Character Guide tells you how to pronounce names?
@@gehrigstory6674 it does have a pronunciation guide yeah
Bruh please no. We don’t need someone telling us how to say AT-AT…
@@WSFM_Rex But at least it would clear up the controversy with a canon source on how to pronounce AT-AT. Plus, all the other names that are hard to pronounce in the lore would get a canon pronunciation to go by, as well.
I was also mixed on phase one and currently trying to get into phase 3, but i will say that i really enjoyed phase 2 a lot. Yes, it felt largely separate from phase 1 and 3, but i found the characters and storytelling much more focused and engaging, not to mention the actual books were better written. I understand i may be in the minority about this, but I'd personally recommend phase 2 over 1 or 3.
Porter Engle was 🔥
Thanks a lot for the shoutout for my map, that really made my day!
If they wanted to set a series of stories in the 1000-years between the last Sith Wars and the Prequels they could have done it. They just would have had to make them smaller, more "self-contained" stories. Jedi Apprentice and Jedi Quest did that very well.
Been watching your videos for years man, and I love the pre-Disney EU... I've tried to get into the High Republic, but there is just like... Too much.
So when I see you doing book life, often I get to go... Hey I remember that! Would love a deep dive on Hapes if you ain't done one yet!
The nihil themselves may not be crazy compelling but the jedi-devouring cthulhu monsters they control are pretty great imo
The High Republic novels don't just show the entire Republic as the ultimate good. They also go out of their way to show that some the senate and well off Core worlds don't really care.
The YA book Out Of The Shadows (2021) by Justina Ireland features members of the Coruscant elite and senate members actually joining forces with the Nihil as power plays that also expand the Nihil's reach.
Out Of The Shadows also does most of the setup for the Stormwall later with the characters gaining an understanding of how the path engines work as well as one of the villains doing work on the manipulation of gravity funded by those elites.
The Stormwall itself was set off in Phase 1 too in the comic miniseries Eye Of The Storm (2021) by Charles Soule which is included in the Marvel The High Republic (2021) Volume 3.
"The YA book Out Of The Shadows (2021) by Justina Ireland features members of the Coruscant elite and senate members actually joining forces with the Nihil as power plays that also expand the Nihil's reach."
Why though, why do members of the Coruscant elite and Senate join with the Nihil? The Nihil are so cartoonishly evil that they simply aren't compelling, they have no connection to the various amoral motivations that we as humans feel, motivations that for example the Sith act on. It's difficult as a reader to approach them as anything but mindless monsters because that's all they really act like.
Also, once again we've entered a situation for like the fortieth time in Disney Canon where they've added something to the setting that's completely ridiculous and technologically illogical with the Stormwall, which is funny because one of the key criticisms against Legends by Disney defenders is that Legends had too many superweapons and contrived plot devices yet Canon has repeated almost all of Legends worst mistakes (Bringing back Palpatine, except in a way somehow way worse than Dark Empire) while exceeding those idiotic plot devices with their own ridiculousness (Stormwall). At least Legends had dozens of compelling stories and characters that fit in the Star Wars Universe, Disney Canon has only a couple at this point.
I bought nearly every SW novel that came out from the second Rogue Squadron book up until Disney declared Legends to be non-canon. I haven't bought one since then.
While I know I've missed some good stuff, I'm not too bothered by it and am glad I was able to make such a clean break.
Jesus, that's hundreds of books! You got a few favs?
I’m in the same exact boat- I’ve got pretty much every single legends book
Eh, I'd say that's your loss. I just read from both continuities and segment them.
I read through the first two phases of High Republic and it just didn't do it for me. The world building is good, but the stories themselves are mid to poor and the characters are down right bad and there's far to many of them. It would have been better to do trilogies of set characters instead of so many anthologies. Seems like they're trying to tell the story of the whole universe, but they really need to follow a finite set of compelling characters. All of the characters they introduced are just collections of tropes or trying to be edgy for the sake of edginess. And most are in one book and then just background characters in other books. It really prevents the reader from submersing in the world at all.
I think the idea is to use the first three phases to built up the era and a wide cast of characters, so once the ground work for the era has been established they can start focusing more on character heavy stories and plot lines. I can see the writers logic as it makes it easier to world-build when you have a largest and more spread out cast.
Almost sounds like a bunch of self inserts, with every writer wanting to be the main character.....
Those in Legends were walking tropes, Cade emo, the characters of the High Republic feel alive, with emotional problems, they even have to go to the psychologist after the Valo massacre, with motivations and beings of Light, not like the annoying idiots of the Old Republic that made you wish they would die
@@matt.1504 And yet, which is more popular? Say what you like about the masses, but if it sells, then you'd be a fool not to copy whatever works and make bank, rather than something niche that may flop.
@@mattevans4377 Wow, you and this mrd channel made me remember why I left the Fandom, they are hateful.
The way you say "Nye-hill" and not "Nile" hurts my brain, lol
"You're either a dumb grunt with a death wish or you're not into it" killed me
I like the books and the setting but I hate what they did with the phases.
They have phases… stop trying to be the mcu. Just write books and comics ffs.
Literally what they are doing?? The point of the phases is time periods , its set like the OT/PT/ST not some deep marvel thing calm down @@martinjrgensen8234
general viess was her own faction btw
she has a whole ass fleet and capital ship and tanks and firepower before she even joined the nihil. also i dont know if the map is super accurate, alot of hyperspace lanes and planets werent really discovered at this moment.
shes a merc btw the nihil have like 5 generations of saved funds
I don't believe Eck is remotely conveying any nuance here, honestly.
Yea its weird, hes never covered the content but then is proclaiming things all of a sudden without much thought into hey there is literal lore established to explain every single thing @@AshanBhatoa
time for another great Eck video
There are mountains of these books are already at the discount stores near me, along with all the Rey Palpatines, Holdosl, and Jyn Ersos.
I certainly can agree with a lot of the criticisms. I did find that even as an adult I found some of the YA books to be much more enjoyable. Felt like there were less random characters thrown in for the sake of it and it followed a more traditional plot-line.
I've enjoyed the aspects of believing in the High Republics "Grand Works" and that the Nihil couldn't possibly destroy something so massive in scale, just to see failure from the Jedi and Republic. Seeing the consequences has been interesting. In the eye on darkness, it really seemed like they had reached their storyline on the Nihils motivations. It's questioned throughout the entire book. The Path of the Open Hand was a bit more intriguing for me and the way they first introduced the Leveler had me extremely interested for a bit. Sorry, just a bunch of random thoughts
I think that's a fair take for the books, etc. It's pretty clear that their reason-for-being is to set up the background lore for bigger projects like the Acolyte, which I really hope is good
They overly relied on the books for that end, and neglected plot and character strength
#askeck #AskThreepio Asides from Mon Cala, what other planets successfully, openly rebelled against the Empire/openly allied with the Rebels before Endor? I know that there were many attempts at this during Operation Domino which were mostly crushed, but there were a few asides from Mon Cala
Lore ship Versus video request:
Resurgent vs. Starhawk
Tie Striker vs. New Republic V-Wing
World Devastator vs. Vong Worldship
Tie Silencer vs. X-83 Twintail
Tie Silencer vs. Tie Defender (legends version)
Keldabe vs. ISD II
MC90 vs. Nebula class star destroyer
Nebula class vs. Pellaeon class
Majestic class vs. Bothan Assault Cruiser
EAWX: FOTR’s Mandator II portrayal vs. Subjugator
Praetor vs. Subjugator
EAWX: TR’s Mediator portrayal vs. Resurgent
Starhawk vs. Bulwark MK III
Gargantua/Aratech 520 Battle Platform vs. A6 Juggernaut
Alderaan (Which was Destroyed); Sullust; and maybe The Roche Asteroids (Officially, they were neutral, but they provided Starfighters to The Rebel Alliance, like The B-Wing bombers).
Edit: I think Sullust is the best choice.
@@gehrigstory6674 Alderaan didn’t openly rebel against the Empire. That’s why in Episode IV Leia claimed they were a peaceful planet. Sullust, while it had a resistance movement, didn’t openly switch sides till after Endor. It was the endpoint for the Sanctuary Pipeline that was created by the Empire to supply the Death Star II constructed site
@@lightspeedvictory Honestly, I'm not sure what known planets did openly rebel against The Empire before Endor. The Empire would fully subjugate any planet that dared to overthrow their Imperial Overlords. At least, in Legends I don't know of any planets in particular. Chandrila (Mon Mothma's homeworld) was a Core World heavily under Imperial Control. Corellia (Homeworld of Han Solo, Wedge Antilles, and Garm Bel Iblis) was another Core World under the heavy, controlling eye of Imperial rule. Hutt Space, and Hapan Space were neutral before Endor. Kashyyyk was deeply under Imperial Control until after Endor, with Wookiee slaves playing a major role in building The Death Stars. Maybe Onderon was a rebel world before Endor, due to Saw Gerrera's Partisans, but after he died, I'm not so sure. Manaan (Homeworld of The Selkath, and their Kolto healing agent) might've rebelled successfully, but again, I don't know enough of the lore behind that to be sure. So, in Legends, I don't know of any worlds that openly rebelled against The Empire before Endor, and were successful.
As for Disney Canon, I do know that Lothal was one such planet that successfully overthrew The Empire before Endor, as shown in The Star Wars: Rebels finale. So, there's one such planet, at least.
They Old Republic is just so much better. The interplay with the Sith Empire and thousands of Jedi and Sith, organized warfare, and courting various factions (Hutts, corporations, etc) was so much more interesting.
Frankly, Disney doesn’t actually know how to write good antagonists, which is why they dug Palpatine out of his grave. They certainly can’t write compelling antagonists during a period where the “good guys” mostly stand unopposed. It’s just got no believable stakes.
Marchion Ro is a 10/10 villain, what're ya talking about?
When they do try to write a villain, their take is so shallow because they try to force “nuance” into it instead of developing their characters properly.
@@thedarkestfateful I don’t think nuance is a problem, necessarily. Every character is a mix of traits. I think it is more difficult to write nuanced motivations, but that is the expectation now.
The dark side also makes sense because it literally makes you extremely powerful, the more evil and badass you are the more powerful you become
If they managed to twist it into a form of the sith that were in hiding manipulating these otherwise normal people into barbarians, maybe it could work as a previous attempt of gaining ultimate power, but it just seems so mid right now.
TL;DB “it’s not for me=it sucks”
Uh, doesnt the Galactic Senate still exist? How have member states not openly formed standing armies and ships to defeat a threat such as that?
YES! I totally agree that this was a missed opportunity. The High Republic for me has so much potential to expand the scope of SW and give us new stories. I honestly thought after reading the first book the Nihil were just a front for a much greater threat, not Sith, but some shadowy force using the Nihil as a distraction and as cannon fodder. However with each book that hope died. I still think there is some pretty good stuff in the High Republic but it really has become such a mixed bag and a missed opportunity
#AskEck Who would win? An Imperial Fleet led by Grand Admiral Thrawn, or a Dark Empire fleet with Reborn Palpatine at the helm?
Thrawn.
Palpatine
@@d3thkn1ghtmcgee74 Even when Palpatine has a Galaxy Gun that shoots indestructible missiles across the galaxy through hyperspace that could one-shot The Chimera, killing Thrawn, and Pelleon, instantly? Though, Thrawn might figure out a way to deal with that problem.
Thrawn
@@gehrigstory6674 he probably would find a way to defeat it lol.
But at the end of the day theyd probably be working together if thrawn knew the emperor was still alive hiding on byss lol
I just want another Timothy Zahn novel 😢
How do chaos barbarians teach advanced engineering well enough to invent, construct and maintain a galactic force field ? That requires incredible coordination, organization, sophistication and cooperation which seems nonexistent.
Personally I’m just very very happy to have the Nihil as a new group of antagonists m that don’t ape off of Sith, Empire, and/or the CIS.
I kinda hope they don’t have any connection to the Sith
Agreed, while I loved the idea of the Rule of two secretly in the background plotting everything especially the way they operated according to the Darth Plagueis. I’m just glad that they didn’t have any involvement of the Nihil or at least the Ro family in general.
They will be. Don't forget the High Republic main focus is to be the Prequel of the Prequel Trilogy, and that one was about the Sith coming back from the Shadows. Phase II already show us how all the galaxy was tainted by Sith actions from the past. Now we're going right to discover Darth Plagueis chessboard and how the Sith worked in the shadow (The Acolyte) during their Darth Bane's rule of two era
@@DanielDaniel-wk1up Exactly.
Sith be destroying the galaxy economically lol
@@WyattDucar An idea I just had that could be interesting is some other group (besides the Sith) are behind groups like the Nihil, using them to take over the galaxy. And the current Sith are against that because it would ruin their own plans. So they have to find a way to help the Republic win without exposing themselves in the process.
Galactic conquest can't really be exclusive to the Sith; there's got to be other people who really want to rule everything. And it could show that it wasn't just 1,000 years of the Sith waiting and biding their time while everything went their way. They had to deal with curveballs that'd scupper their plans without realising they even exist.
Interesting the whole barrier thing is the sort of idea that should never be inserted in to a prequel because it sounds like something Palpy boi would of used, Sealing off a massive chunk of galaxy would be great for many of his plans. Why wouldn't you use this tech or an improved version of it to stop those pesky rebels from well doing anything really but certainly attacking the DS2, I mean maybe let the fleet jump in then activate it and boom Imperial final victory over the organised rebellion easy.
I appreciate you spending the time to wade through the larger body of SW works because had it been good I would never of known as I had zero interest in it for the moment they announced it. Going back before a set story era is really tricky and even GL had issues with doing it but I can't think of any other IP (I'm sure theres something) that has even manged to do that well besides I am completely convinced the idea at Disney was to overwrite the original movies and lore with their own, theres clearly no love or even like for what Star Wars was and its just a name to make piles of money from.
Even though the space wall thing is really dumb in my opinion… it maybe could make more sense if it was set a few thousand years earlier, which would make it easier to buy as lost technology. But you can’t tell me palpatine hasnt heard of the big SPACE WALL that sectioned off an entire part of the galaxy that was around only a couple hundred years ago.
#askeck What is a topic that you were either very interested in or wanted to talk about on your podcast or youtube channels that you feel like people within your audience would not very be interested in?
The High Republic seems more like the setting for a TTRPG than a good story setting.
Have you read the novels?
I am so glad you brought up the goody-two-shoes aspect of the Jedi Order in this era and the lack of logic in the Nihil's overly-edgy, downright nonsensical motives. The Jedi here feel like they're meant to throw shade at the Jedi from the Prequels, like they're pointing and going "See? See? These Jedi are the real Jedi. Those Jedi from the Prequels were flawed and corrupt." In my opinion it feels kinda meanspirited to trash an entire era that fans have grown to love. Personally I've also grown bored with how often these Jedi wax on about how "we are all the Republic" and how Jedi must defend the innocent and hold all life sacred. We know this already, you don't need to continually hammer it in with every line of dialogue or inner thought these characters have.
The Nihil on the other hand are just not sustainable as a threat. They were marginally interesting in Phase 1 as a bunch of aimless marauders and Spiceheads that would kamikaze and recklessly attack like a bunch of wild animals. But at some point the other side should've gotten wise to their tricks.
It feels like they're copying Mandalorians... Doesn't this give you dejavu of Revan's story where a bunch of bloodthirsty monsters just attack the Republic?
Something that's come up in expanded universe stuff is that Jedi always fall, whether due to how the Jedi are trained or simply the nature of people. Even if they never really became Sith, there must've been a few Dark Jedi during this era; Dooku couldn't have been the first in 1,000 years. Otherwise it basically does come down to the writers saying 'our Jedi are totally superior to any other era of Jedi'.
I think part of the problem is the setting. The High Republic is supposed to be a time of relative peace. It means it should be a time where threats do not effect whole sectors. That doesn't mean there shouldn't be threats, but they should be relatively small ones. We should be watching how the Republic and Jedi become complacent, even apathetic, because of the lack of big threats. Of course, that would require nuanced and subtle writing. It doesn't help when the threat is comically evil for evil's sake, a society that would have killed itself off long before they reached space.
Underrated comment. I would actually give the HR era a real shot if it was written like this.
I understand the idea that Star Wars has always been supreme good vs outright evil. This is a trope as old as time itself, however Star Wars made it interesting because it gave us a new universe setting in which this idea is represented. That in it of itself is cool. Lord of the Rings is about good vs evil and just that. But that also gave us an amazing setting for it, which made everything worth it. Furthermore, apart from the setting, the story in which we got the representation of good vs evil was also amazing. In Lord of the Rings it was phenomenal, and in Star Wars , while at times a bit clunky, was also really good. So we had an amazing setting for this good vs evil old trope, combined with great story. The problem is that after decades of it, people now what to see something more, and I agree with them. Good vs evil is old and bland, but we did have an amazing setting for it which made us enjoy the cliché of it. The story made us want to see even more of it. But now, I think people want to see nuances of gray as well, because we already have dozens of great moments of pure evil vs pure good in Star Wars. Now, we need more aspects, characters that define these absolutes. That is why a character like Baylan Skoll was so appealing to people. Why people enjoy Revan so much. The examples of characters and stories can continue, but you get my gist.
I tend to LIKE it when heroes are "goody-two-shoes" in a manner of speaking, but I whole-heartedly agree that when you make EVERY one of the characters from that group that exact same way, it actually seems kind of monolithic and culty. And yeah, pure evil villains are pretty boring and simplistic in my opinion.
I fully agree with you on the Nihil. I tried getting into the High Republic books, but the Nihil just aren't interesting villains and logically shouldn't be able to work as a big threat at all. They're just "always chaotic evil" "generic doomsday villains" with no depth to them at all from what I can tell(*). The worst thing is that, as you said, the Sith and Palpatine have shown that irredeemable evil CAN work as a compelling antagonist. The Nihil just don't.
(*)And apparently, Marchion Ro's entire species is _genetically evolved_ to be *compelled to backstab* whenever they can. How that can even work is beyond me...
It's cool how it tied in with survivor though!
Random question - some of the older videos Eckhart did around early 2019 would show him playing some sort of strategy RPG that almost looked like star craft or command and conquer but it was of Star Wars fleets. Does anyone know what that game is called? I tried to find one of the videos but haven’t had any luck.
All I have ever seen him play is Empire at War. The version he is playing now is the heavily modded version updated to 4k+. There is also Rebellion, he might have been playing that.
@@hostilebogeyinboundreally appreciate the reply, I’ll check those out!
I'm thinking about getting back into the High Republic and I didn't know that phase 2 was a...prequel? So, that's good to know. It is a bit odd, but I'm not gonna worry too much about it. Also, for some reason, I smiled when Eck said he watched Star Wars Explained's HR videos! Also also, I never got the whole "Oh, you just read the wiki!" thing. A lot of fan wikis are good sources, and I don't see the problem with using them for videos. I mean, sometimes you don't have the time or money to sort through dozens of books or movies for info to put into your video.
Feels bad, I have loved the High Republic from the beginning.
What's that game you use footage from as a backdrop to a lot of the video? It's that tactical game with the massive fan-mod expansions, right?
My only exposure to the High Republic so far has been through Jedi Survivor, and it has promise but we need to SEE more.
not books, we need more games and even better a show or movie.
The acolyte takes place at the end of the High Republic era. Takes place between 50 to 100 years before phantom menace and is set to introduce the Sith emergence.
Funny, because that's the one aspect Survivor absolutely showed how TRASH it is. Dagan Gera was a pathetic villain.
That's akin to how the novels are.
@@AshanBhatoa Therefore, shallow trash
Im surprised you’re not over everything Disney owns at this point.
He is a bit of a shill, i remember him pushing andor really hard in the past, have nor seen the channel for a bit but it seems he has given up on it now but doesn't want to admit it
@@zeo-pe5sgPonieważ Andor jest świetny, i wiele książek z kanonu również.
@@zeo-pe5sg Andor was good, though, so evidently yes, he's pushing it.
I rolled myu eyes and passed on the high republic the moment it started.
But dude i'm glad you gave it a try. I was kinda hoping i was wrong and it'd turn out to be good.
Lots of people find it good. You can't make a basis just because of one content creators opinion. Form your own.
@@Stewquisitor And I'm not going to say these people shouild not enjoy that. I'm just saying *I* do not enjoy High Republic.
@@singletona082 How can you enjoy/not enjoy something on something you’ve passed on? It’s like when a child refuses food before they’ve tasted it for the first time.
Sheep mindset. Sad.
I can appreciate High Republic at least for being something new. Most of the stuff Disney has done is either heavily connected to the OT or a bad copy of the OT, while they brag about their 25000 years of lore.
Tried to get into this new star wars stuff and just isnt for me more a old republic and legends kind of guy
While I was intrigued initially with exploring a period that even legends left void.
Agreed, I wasn't able to either.
@@StrongandStable17yeah the story and characters kept me from making me invested in the books which nothing of importance happens
@@davidordaz5251Yeah, that's just a falsehood, though. I'm starting to wonder what novels have you read, since several aspects of importance happens. It's not static. Unless you just cannot be bothered to actually delve into any canonical media.
What was the barrier?
I haven't read these books, but the way that the Stormwall is described makes me wonder why the Empire wouldn't employ this all over the galaxy in the Age of Rebellion. Furthermore, when blocking trade, why wouldn't the CIS use it during the Clone Wars? This makes it seem like it would be impossible to take territory from one government to another. Was the technology lost? Correct me if I'm wrong, of course.
Is there a list somewhere of what Mods you use for Galaxy at War? Cause I have been wanting to play what you play... lol
Thrawns Revenge mod
@@EckhartsLadder Thank you xD
#AskEck Since you have a Marvel channel, along with this (Primarily) Star Wars channel, who do you think would win? Darth Nihlius, or Galactus?
They literally have thousands of years to play with ffs! Why is everything set within walking distance from the Skywalker saga?! We want total separation in general! How cool would it be to see a totally new saga set 2000 years before the Skywalker storyline?! Sith Empire maybe? Or something before the rule of 2? It’s so frustrating.
The beauty of Legends is that we were able to have a universe before and after the Skywalkers came into focus.
Skips 14 books, is surprised when they don't make sense.
What game is that game footage from? It looks fun
I could never get into the high republic
Same here
What is the mod being played during this video?
Your description makes it sound as though they are *desperately* attempting to avoid doing anything that even vaguely resembles anything Legends did for the pre-Episode I time period.
What do you mean?
Absolutely should not have skipped Phase ll, Path of Deceit is genuinely phenomenal and sets up so much subtext for phase lll. If you’re a prequel trilogy fan the jump back in time makes complete sense and should be something you’re used to as a narrative decision.
I don’t think just watching some vids is enough to simulate actually taking the time to read through the novels.
I think you're wrong. The only important thing that Phase 2 establishes is the Marchion's family tree and it's desire to screw with the Jedi Order. And it doesn't matter where the Nameless came from because they should be exterminated ot returned to their home planet in Phase 3, which requires having a hyperspace path again, which will be explained all over again
@@gohu11 The Nameless are tied with the Ro family, so learning where they originated and how they came to being with the Ro line is a tethered story. Also, learning about the motivations behind your era’s primary antagonist is enough reason by its lonesome to justify reading Phase ll. Nevermind again, that it just has some of the strongest YA novels in the series up to this point.
You definitely *can* skip over phase ll, but you won’t have that narrative subtext and it would result in an overly surface level view of the larger story that’s being built. Marchion works perfectly fine without phase ll, but imo knowing more about the evolution of his species and his family’s history makes him a much more interesting character and foil to the HR era Jedi.
Master Poof was around 300 years ago? I had no idea that his species lived so long.
too bad. the High republic has been really great. a huge breath of fresh air for Star Wars Canon. probably the only series that competes with the legends books.
I’ve also made that, “You just read the wiki” comment before as well more then a few times. 😂 It makes it hard not to think that when you miss named the X-Wing a Y-Wing and vise versa that one time many many moons ago. I noticed you had a nack for doing that quite often with different subjects. It makes it seem like your reading off either a script written by someone else, or a wiki like Wookiepedia which is very badly administered these days.
What's your most dumbfounded example of badly made article on Wookieepedia?
@@user-yq9im9dk9z The fact they still call the DC-15S the DC-15A Carbine
I miss when star wars youtube wasn't just complaining
People only complain because the product is bad.
No because it makes money, rage is the algorythm , hes making a video on stuff he didnt read and thinks he has teeth to actually talk about it ? Is that not bad faith ? Literally youtubers out there get no views when they actually cover the lore properly @@BaithNa
#AskEck If a Borg Cube encountered a World Devastator, what would happen?
Would the Borg be able to adapt to the Devastator's weapon, or would it just get eaten away? Or would they not even fight, but instead join forces, the World Devastator having similar adapting capabilities and being the epitome of Artificial Intelligence they've been striving for? And, should they fight, would the Devastator be able to adapt to and fire back Borg weaponry?
Borg World Devastators would devastate any universe they were in.
what game is that running in most, if not all of the video ?
I read the phase one books and man, the quality is just BAD. Thankfully I never bought said books (I have a VERY good library), because they really feel like mass-produced "product" books meant to sell you something and not tell you a good story. Disney is so keyed up to make this the 'greatest' era of the franchise that they didn't bother HOW to do that. I see it as another case of quantity over quality, as Kennedy and Iger simply have no idea how to make good stories.
Your problem.
Villains handed a defeat and yet suddenly grabbing swathes of the galaxy despite having very few resources? Where have I seen that before....
I keep hoping to hear why the Nihil pose any threat to the Jedi since they can’t use the force and could have their minds read. If there’s ever a good answer to that since this era seems kinda obsessed with making the Jedi the sole point of focus, then I’ll be hooked in to read the books I guess.
Also how have there just been books still
Nihils has "Nameless", a monsters that they own presence are turning jedi into madness.
6:22 reminds me of a certain faction in Canon Star Wars, one far into the future
I mean yeah Star Wars is black and white in most if not all its conflicts, but it doesn't actually have to do that though. Or you could at least showcase why people on the opposing side would be drawn or be a part of it.
I’m not going to bother with the main story this initiative is telling, but I like its integration into Jedi: Survivor and I’m looking forward to The Acolyte, which seems poised to actually explore the interesting narrative opportunities this time period presents
I thought the acolyte was set millenia before, or a I confusing projects against?
I've been enjoying it fine, but I do agree with several of your points ( namely that the Nihill are not narratively strong enough to make an entire era vilain)
One thing that perplex me a little is how the republics is constantly on the back foot in phase 1, I get it's one of the flaw of the republic no wanting to recognize the treat for what it is and being more concerned with grand project, but it still feel weird ... I feel like it was similar in the new Jedi order where it took 3-4 books of the republic getting their ass thoroughly kicked before they finaly got the a level battle field but it's been a while so I'm not sure. I curious as to if it as always been like that in long series of book compared to movies ( movie one he good guys scores and , movie 2 they get hurt and movie 3 they score again.
Maybe it's just the multimedia format that made it so I mostly missed the triumph be reading only mostly the adult book and very few of the YA or comics.
Im glad you have this game to destress
Modern star wars has become remarkably shallow
DSW isn't canon
Inconsistent is the word I would use. Each project could either be fantastic or a complete waste of time, and nobody cares enough anymore to find out which
@@WeaponizedAutism7
True. Very true, it's been very Hit or Miss every time
"Can we have the Yuuzhan Vong?"
"We have Yuuzhan Vong at home"
Both are stupid imo
Bruh, how is that anything like the Vong?
What?
What game is playing in the background?
What upset me about the book was basically nothing at all was accomplished. At the end of all of those chapters the only things of significance that happened were someone escaped the zone for the first time, and the area of the wall grows. That's it. Almost everything about the story is the same at the start as it is at the end.
I haven't looked into the High Republic stuff, due to the negative reception and my almost complete lack interrest around most new Canon stuff. But one would think that in an era of Star Wars, without a major "Wars" part they would focus on more personal stories, worldbuilding, political intrique or explore the several worldviews of the Jedi sects and other force users. That would actually be prety interesting to me. Though seeing how willy nilly Disney handles even their own established lore, I don't have a lot of confidence anything worthwhile would even come out of this.
But just introduce an new big bad, seems pointless to me. We have this in literally any other era. I don't get it.
Sad times, but hey at least we have Endor.
Na sektach i innych użytkownikach mocy skupiają się w fazie II, tam też główni złoczyńcy to pewna sekta która uważa używanie mocy w aktywnej formie za złe.
Sorry to hear you ultimately couldn’t get invested in it. I’ve found The High Republic titles to be that fresh new line of books and comics that the series had been in need of for sometime, which Legends provided more of true, and found the world and character building to be very well done to.
The Nihil are Sci-fi Mad Max characters but unlike Mad Max, the Galaxy isn't a wasteland of chaos.
You have a link to podcast?
I think part of the problem is how they’re telling it. With the Old Republic, it was simpler. They started with the legendary video games, and THEN expanded the era with various books and the excellent John Jackson Miller comic run. But with the High Republic, it’s been books and comics right off the bat. Besides Jedi Survivor, all the other major media with this era is still in limbo. If they’d released The Last Acolyte and Star Wars: Eclipse first, then they could have expanded the era with the books and comics.
Pretty sure Tales of the Jedi came before the video games. Yeah, 1993 vs 2003. That's a 10 year gap. How do you make this comment and not even bother looking up when the comics came out vs when the game came out? You must be under 30 years old.
Exar Kun was established just under a decade before KOTOR was even released. Does no one look this stuff up? @@basedstreamingatcozy-dot-t7126
Old Republic start with comics, Then in Next DECADE it move to games.
"Complete nonsense" sums up recent disney content pretty well