Ultimate Detent and Tension mod for the Thrustmaster TCA Quadrant - DIY
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- Опубликовано: 26 июл 2024
- This Detent and Tension mod makes the TM TCA Quadrant much more realistic. Easy to install, non-destructive mod.
Features:
- Stronger, snappier detents using industrial-grade spring-loaded ballpoint grub sockets
- Realistic distance between Idle to CLB
- New: Reverse Thrust idle detent added
- Overall stronger tension with hydraulic-like feel
- Vinyl sticker decals for the detent markers
You need a 3mm Allen Key to turn the ballpoint grub screw in case you need tension adjustments.
0:00 - Intro
1:01 - Why I made this mod
2:04 - The parts
3:35 - Installation
8:45 - A word of caution
12:07 - Quick test after installation
12:06 - FS2020 - Fenix / FBW Throttle recalibration
17:42 - Other advantages I find in this mod, in my opinion
19:08 - Ooops, the sticker decal !
If you haven't already seen my previous mod for the Spoiler Arm/Disarm:
• Thrustmaster TCA Reali...
STL, SVG files:
www.santiluib3.com/products/d...
cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadge...
BallPoint grub screw socket: (M6x12 - 6mm diameter, 12mm length)
id.aliexpress.com/item/100500...
Get the DIY kit here:
www.santiluib3.com/ 
Игры
BTW guys, pls keep the default tensioner. The idea is NOT to replace the old tension, but just to augment it. So the new tension works hand-in-hand with the default tension. If you find the new tension too tight, you can loosen up the original tensioner. If you want the new tension to be much more resistive, adjust the default tensioner by increasing (tightening) the adjuster clockwise. On the mod side, you can use a 3mm Allen Key on the ballpoint grub screw to adjust the tension as well as the detent hold and "click".
Hi, amazing! So nice work, you have make! You are magician😀. I think a silicone grease is ideal for acrylic-steel coupling. Have you ever thought about doing all the mods for TCA pack (Throttle detents, ENG sws, Spoiler arm, Flaps detents, P.Brake)? You could propose offers for a single mod (with work performed) or for all of them. Interested customers would send you the TCA for required mod or all mods available. So you would send it back modified. What do you think about this idea? Best Regards and Happy New Year!
I just finished the mod and congratulate SL3 for the excellent engineering. I have several thousand hours flying the 319/320 and the mod gets you close to the real thing. Most importantly it gets rid of the "toy" feeling from the throttles. I lubricated the plates with lithium grease and drove the tensioner to full. Tension feels close to the real thing now. I found that I needed to spend some time getting the grub screw just right. Too much extension and the throttle arm is pushed against the case and rubs. Too little and the grub bracket gets pushed out of the throttle arm. I think this is the best solution for these throttles. In the real airplane the throttle quadrant is much bigger and the throttles smoother. But they probably cost a million dollars. But the SL3 mod is great. Highly recommended!
Many thanks for your amazing work. I have just installed this mod on my TCA quadrant. Really like the improved tension and detents, as well as the increased lever range between idle and the climb detent.
I found initially that the tension was too strong (even after adjusting the TCA tension screw). Loosening the grub screw improved the tension but then the detents were not ‘snappy’ enough. The solution I found was to apply a little grease to the acrylic detent plates. I now have the perfect balance of tension and snappy detents.
Also I found that I couldn’t select full reverse as the 3d printed blocks were fouling with the lip on the thrustmaster side panels. I removed the interfering plastic with a Stanley knife and now get full reverse. Thanks again for all your work!
Hi Richard, Thank you for the support. I am glad that like many others, it also worked for you! As to the tensions, yes that is a perfect solution you found. I actually do the same with my unit - applying some grease on the plate where the ballpoint makes contact. However, I didn't mention that in the video as per my observation, after a few days of usage, the "too tight" tension seems to lighten up a bit to the "right force" IMO :) As to the 3D plastic hitting the a lip on the panel sides, that is a GOOD FIND! Thank you! I will make revisions to the models to slice a tiny bit from its corners so allow enough clearance on the full reverse position. It's funny how I ignored this little resistance at the full rev but i had it corrected by just yanking the handles all the way down. In a way, it also adds a bit of positive effect on me without realizing that contact was causing it, thanks again! Did you get the downloadable version? I will send you a revised STL file and also will update the one in the store. Thanks again and enjoy the new feel of the TCA.
No problem at all! Yes, I purchased the files on cults3d. Thank you
Wonderful! Just installed this mod and it makes the TCA Quadrant feel so much more refined and valuable. Thank you so much for this amazing work!
Santi, I just have installed this mod on my TCA Airbus Throttle Quadrant and now it´s perferct! Thanks!
And once again fantastic work!
I expected this right out of the box... especially for that price
Cool mod, great work
nice engineering bro! thanks for share. I also love to change my joysticks and rudders to get better results. You rock it
Thanks 👍
Awesome mob. Highly recommend it.
Awesome workings man.
This mod is amazing,
My throttle is so much better with this
Thanks santi
Thanks Guy ! It seems really fantastic. Great job. I already install your spoiler Arm system in my TCA and it is amazing. Really immersive. I saw your shop but the shipping cost are too high , 60 € for France 😨😨.
Thank you! Sorry about the rate, I am not happy with it too. From my country to anywhere internationally, the shipping is horribly high! Every courier I've checked with all came up with similar rates :( This is something out of my control.
Files available now: cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadget/ultimate-detent-and-tension-mod-for-the-thrustmaster-tm-tca
@@santiagoluib3 Thanks a lot ! What a pity for you with these shipping costs ! A big Thank you for the Airbus simmers community 😎
I just installed my kit after waiting for the various pieces to arrive from the 3d printing and cutting vendors I picked. I would have loved to get your kit directly, but shipping to the US was prohibitively expensive (which I completely understand.)
The pieces were extremely simple to install. I checked your video to make sure the orientation for the grub screw holders was correct, otherwise everything snapped together easily.
I *LOVE* the feeling with the kit installed. The stock Thrustmaster detents were pretty loose for me, even after tightening the tension pretty high. The detents are very snappy and I think I lucked into the right position of the grub screws in the holders and the stock tensioner. I am going to play with it a little as I expect them to wear in a little over time, but otherwise, this is a massive upgrade in feel.
The vendor I picked had a minimum order value, so I ordered three pairs of the acrylic plates so that I could play with little changes to the detents, like perhaps adding a little chamfer to them or similar, but honestly I'm happy enough with the feel right now that I'm not sure I'm going to tune them right away.
Useless trivia, but I thought it was funny, I got both items produced in blue (the acrylic and the grub holders) and while they're not Airbus blue, they're pretty nice to see. I didn't think it was a big deal, but you can actually see the acrylic plates in the throttle slots from the side, and it's a fun detail.
Edit: I have access to a vinyl printer, so I think I might print some of the decals with the new detent locations. Love the upgrade so far!
Thank you! I am glad it works for you :) Yes you can play around with the ballpoint grub screw adjustment to get the right feel that you prefer. You can also use the default tensioner in conjunction with the mod to further augment the tension 😅 I like your attention to the use of colored piece 👍🏻
How much did it take 'em to arrive?
@@ani5z The acrylic plates took only a few days. The 3d printed parts (the grub screw holders) took a little longer because they came from an overseas vendor (which I didn't know at the time) but everything still came within 2 weeks. I've done a bunch of flights since installing them and I'd still recommend this to anyone with a TCA throttle.
@@UD503JThanks mate! Cheers
Thanks for this addon bought it and download it. Now it’s installed. But I didn’t use akryl i print it in 3D so i suppose i have to change to new at the time. But im very satisfied with the results. Maybe i do something else someday. But im not good in the electricity thing to make it work.
High Sven, I'm glad your 3D-printed version works for you! I still don't release it officially, but I think some hard FDA filaments may work just fine, I just don't have a test case for them so I didn't want to compromise. If it works for you, why not? :) Thanks for the info.
Cool mod! I’ll order it from you
thank you!
Update: With New A320 v2 inibuild msfs Sup15 update on xbox NOW the mod is working perfectly. I love it. The detents are nice and strong and feels like you are controlling real aircraft. Definitely increases simulation immersion. TIPS: After installing the detents mod, go to sensitivities and decrease throttle sensitivities in about half. Then go to a320 EFB and MAKE SURE to calibrate the throttle detents!
Thanks a lot Isak for the feedback! Much appreciated :) XBOX owners can now enjoy the mod as well.
Santi. Great work first of all. Is there any way you’ll ship to Ghana?
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Hello Santi
First of all - Thank you for your great work - for the development and release of the "Detent and Tension mod for the Thrustmaster TCA Quadrant". It's amazing what a difference that makes. This feeling of pressing against a hydraulic damper - just good. A thin film of silicone damper grease "XY-2" works wonders to prevent the ball screw from scratching.
At “Chinese Ali” for $4.
My thoughts on this conversion -
I had the plates lasered according to your template at a local laser company for only €21 including postage and packaging.
The locking for the clb and mct could be a bit tighter. I experimented with different settings of the ball. But I think the recess in the side panel is still a bit too narrow.
In my opinion, the detent for "IDLE REVERSE" could be the same as the other two detents.
That's just my opinion... I'll grind the two notches for FLX and MCT a little further. I still have a reserve in case that doesn't work. Simply swap the two side panels from left to right and vice versa ;-)
Greetings and stay healthy
Detlef from Germany
Hi @honkfrohn4493 Thank you for the feedback! It is nice for you to express what you think and what other possible ways this mod can be improved. This is the first feedback about the detent plates I got after hundreds of people have bought or downloaded the mod. I assume you used 3mm acrylic? So far, the other feedback were good, so I guess it depends on personal preference and I understand perfectly. Let me see how I can help. If you can email me at santiagoluib3@gmail.com i can possibly send you a revised version of the plates according exactly to your specifications, if you need one :) Thanks again!
Good day! Thank you so much for your talented work! I bought the files and plan on getting the acrylic cut in the coming weeks. I can see the detent for idle, but where is the detent for idle reverse? Would it not be next to the idle detent? Again, thank you for your work! :)
Cheers from Wisconsin, US,
~ Ben
Hi, The detent is for the reverse idle. Unfortunately there is no detent for the normal idle. We already have the default stopper as the idle. Hope that helps.
I totally understand why you want to offer the solution as a package. A lot of us have everything we need but the files. Would you consider selling just the files?
For the love of the sim and the community, yes. It's here: cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadget/ultimate-detent-and-tension-mod-for-the-thrustmaster-tm-tca
Is it possible to purchase things anywhere
Hello mate my tension broke off because I tightened a bit more that it was supposed to be done. I would love if you post a fix or if you could tell me if the detent plates would be a good fix for my situation
Hi @de_consultant, Sorry to hear you broke the tension. It happened to me too before I made this mod as I wanted the tension to be much more resistive :D But even if it's broken I no longer needed it as this Detent-Tension mod provides the "right" amount of tension IMO at the default ballpoint setting. If you email me at santiagoluib3@gmail.com we can discuss our options how to work around with it ;) Looking forward to hear from you. Thanks!
Hi, the file for the acrylic template, how do I know the size? I sent it to a company to print and they asked me how many millermeters for the acrylic sheet. They said I will need to convert the svg file to a DWG OR DXF file. How can I do this?
Hi Hugo, may I know your email address (or can you email me at santiagoluib3@gmail.com ) and I will send you the dimensions with daigram. But, your printers shouldn't worry about it, they just have to send it to the laser as the file is already the exact measure :)
hi can i make the acrylic black so it matches the inside of the throttle? Since i can see the plate from the outside
Yes you can. :)
Hi, this looks great. Any news on UK distribution hub?
Same question :)
Hi can you email me at santiagoluib3@gmail.com ? :)
Great job. Can you modify that all for 3D printer only? I dont have CO2 laser cutter.
Thank you. I don't recommend 3D-Print for the detent plate. There is a reason for it :) I tried it, it develops score along the ballpoint path and eventually creates a mini "trench" along the ballpoint path. If such happens, you will loose the tension and the snappy/strong detents. Acrylic is the best material as it is smooth, and very hard, especially if you use the opaque white. :)
I did it with PLA and I must say, it works very good. Only I printed with 50% infill 0.1 layer and I think it was 10 top layers
I have a question. If you purchase the kit in your website, their are the physical things no? No the archive
So sorry for this very late reply! You will get the physical items. If you so wish, I could also provide your the files :) Thanks!
Thanks for this addon! Are there any online services that you recommend I use to 3d print and laser cut the parts? I downloaded your addon from Cults.
Hi, thank you for the purchase! I am sorry but I do not know of any online services for laser cutting, but for 3D printing services I would think it should be available in your region/city/town. Will you be able to check?
@@santiagoluib3 Yeah, sure! I think for 3d printing I can borrow one from a friend. BTW, is the version 2 of the ballpoint holder a better version, or can I just print the first version? And do you have any recommendations on how I can put threads for the ball point screw?
Hi @@inflightentertainment101 I recommend v2. :) You don't need to print/create the threads. The hole size is measured with tension such that when you screw in the ballpoints like wood screw, they "cut" their way creating threads in the process :)
@@santiagoluib3 Ohhh, that's great! Thanks for the help!
where did you get the vinyl decal? do you have a copy of it?
Hi, I made it the decals. If you downloaded the files, the decals is part of it :) You can email me so I can send you the decals files.
Hi quick question, what are the measurements of the acrylic plates? The factory who will cut them for me is asking for it. Thx
3mm thickness.
@@santiagoluib3 Yeah I don't mean the thickness but the size of the item itself, what's the width and hight pls?
Hi @@brentrottie521 . Sorry I don't understand why they need the dimensions. If you gave them the SVG file they should be able to figure out how big of an acrylic they need to cut the pieces. Anyways, to answer your question, each acrylic piece requires 10cm x 5cm of acrylic :) And there's 4. Hope that helps! Let me know if they still have problem. Cheers!
@@santiagoluib3 I thought so too, but they just send me an email asking the dimensions. Thanks tho
Hello friend, excellent video, thank you very much for sharing, I want to purchase that kit, but I live in Mexico and apparently they do not ship to Mexico, where else can I buy it? Thank you very much in advance for your help, greetings.❤️
Hi Sergio, may I know your ZIP (Postal) Code? Please email me at santiagoluib3@gmail.com
@@santiagoluib3 Sure, I'd be happy to send you an email, thank you!
Hello
I bought your files but the site in where I want to print the plates, are asking me for stl files for it. Can you make it STL files for the plates? Another doubt is which of the Bollpoint Holder Brackets are the ones I have to print, the ones that are showing up as Ver2 or the other ones? And last but not least, what do you mean by acrilyc?
Hi, please e-mail me at santiagoluib3@gmail.com
Please use the Ver2 of the BallPoint Holder Brackets . The detent plates should be in acrylic cut though a CO2 laser cutter/engraver, hence the SVG file. Please check if your area has CO2 laser cutting services. At this point I don't recommend the plates to be in FDA 3D-printed material as it wears along the detent holes. "Acrylic" is that clear or colored plastic material (seen in video) that is very tough, strong, smooth and versatile. Pls email me at santiagoluib3@gmail.com to discuss our options :) Thanks
Did you 3d print the brackets? And is it included in the downloadable file?
Yes Tha bracket is included as an STL file for you to 3D print 😊
@@santiagoluib3Thank you! Much love for your work from indoneisa
Will there be any mod for the flaps or the joystick?
Hi, I am terribly sorry for this very late reply! There is a very good mod for the flaps on the TM TCA at cults3d - credits to TIMONHUG for creating it! I bought a copy and it is amazing! cults3d.com/en/3d-model/game/working-a320-flap-lever-for-tca-quadrant-flight-simulator-thrustmaster . You may also find some sidestick mods there :)
Is there an alternative for the grub screw?
Sorry for this late reply. Unfortunately, I haven't thought of any alternative yet.
i bought the model but it is not in dxf i cant print it in svg
My apologies for this very late reply. May I know if you managed to print it? If not pls email me I can send you a CAD file instead. :)
hi does the acrlyic sheet need to be smooth
Hi. The smooth surface is where the ballpoint runs on, so it is important to be smooth to feel smoothness in moving the levers.
Could there be 3D print files for the sideplates?
Hi @tuuta123, Please email me I can send you a STL file for it, but no guarantee that it will perform as good as acrylic plates do .
hello! I'm sorry, do you ship this mods to the United States?
Hi, yes we do :)
Can I use it for xbox series x. I mean how would I calibrate?
Hi Isak, as long as TM TCA is supported by XBox (I haven't tried it), then yes this mod works. Calibration is within the A320 aircraft used, like if done in FenixA320 it's in the MCDU. With FBWA32NX, it's in the EFB.. I am yet unsure with the stock Asobo A320 though. :)
Hi Guys, as the shipping cost from my country to the West are too high for many for the Kits, I have made the files available to those who have access to a 3D Printer and a CO2 Laser Cutter :) cults3d.com/en/3d-model/gadget/ultimate-detent-and-tension-mod-for-the-thrustmaster-tm-tca
Hi, does the download also include the files for the acrylic plates for a CO2 laser? And the Photoshop files for the stickers? Thx
Hi Brent, yes they are included. I recommend (if you can find any in your area) to print the stickers on Vinyl UV stickers. They are much more durable, higher heat and moist resistant :)
Can the kit be shipped to the US?
Yes it can 😊
Can you make a version that will maintain the original detants so no calibration is required?
Xbox players can't do the calibration.
Hi Kreska, the whole point of this mod is to change the original detent so that it becomes similar to the real A320 throttle detents. :)
Hi Kreska, with the FS2020 SU15, calibration is now possible in XBOX. That means the this Mod now works in XBOX! :)
I would love to buy that one because it's amazing and adds a lot of realism but the shipping would cost me 4 times more than this mod to throttle :( That's sad
I didn't like the rates, really. From where I am in Southeast Asia the shipping rates for outside of my country is really painfully high and there's nothing I can do about it :( So sorry for how you feel. May i know from which country you are, if that's okay?
@@santiagoluib3 Yes it's totally okey :) I'm from Poland. And brother don't stop doing this stop because your project's are amazing and I really love them and love watching your videos.
Same for me, the shipping costs are unaffordable, 60€ just for the shipment... just impossible!
@@wrona_enduro Thank you brother. If there is anything else I could do to reduce shipping cost, I will do it. I want ppl to have better experience with this throttle and for our hobby in general.
@@HubAir71 I perfectly understand and sorry about it. There's just nothing I can do about it. These regions in Southeast Asia almost have similar costs when shipping such parcels to US,Canada,UK, Europe. If I can find ways to reduce this, I'd definitely do it and update accordingly.
Does it works on xbox and how to calibrate ?
Thanks
Hi, sorry for this late reply. If XBOX supports the TM TCA straight from the box, then the mod works too! This mod is purely a physical enhancement that has nothing to do with the controller's firmware :) Hope that helps.
How did you make the vinyl stickers?
I took measurements and made a design in Photoshop for both left/right, then filled up a 8x12" area with these decals and have them printed on Vinyl UV sticker printer. I cut them manually for each peace for every Kit :)
@@santiagoluib3 Thank you so much! which machine did you use?
@@gamerj8139 I had it outsourced print, as I have no Vinyl UV printer :)
Hi, I was almost returning the TCA, but I saw your video. Would mind to estimate shipment cost to Brazil? And could you send as personal (not business)? People to people here up to 50 USD pay less or no taxes.
Hi! Can you email me? We can discuss our options :) I am also in Fb Messenger same name as above. Cheers!
when will this kit be available again?
hi @micstatic, it will be available very soon as the parts are on their way. thanks!
Hi @micstatic, the stocks are back! :)
@@santiagoluib3 thanks. just ordered
I placed my order on the 28th of March and am still waiting for delivery, why is it taking so long ?
Hi Anthony, would you be able to email me the order number? I will check with Postal Service office. Lately there was a series of long holidays in the Philippines that caused some delays of parcels (not only from my store but also other parcels in general). Add to that, PhilPost EMS does not operate on weekends. Nevertheless, if you can email me the details of your order, I will help to check with PhilPost on updates about your parcel. Sorry for this inconvenience.
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My fault I ordered the download instead, order now received, works good, thanks Santi 👍🏾
Hello, do you ship this mod to South Korea?
Hi.. Yes I ship to South Korea. However this mod is currently out of stock and will be available 1st week March.
@@santiagoluib3 oh thanks
@@santiagoluib3 oh thanks
Such a shame about the shipping costs to Australia. Was about to purchase but cannot justify $111.00 AUD for shipping. That is over double the amount of the parts itself.
Perfectly understandable. I'm sorry, it's not mine to control :( You can wait a few more days when my UK distributor gives a green light, i am sure postage from UK-AUS must be much cheaper than what is it from my country. Or, if you can find a laser cutter in your area, you can get the downloadable STL, SVG files instead and just order the ballpoint grub screw. Lots of ppl opted for this and made it work! :)
I forgot to update you, shipping to AU is now about 45% lesser than it used to be :)
Is it possible to buy this anywhere?
Hi, right now you can only get this from our online store, either in files (STL, CAD, SVG, PNG) or a DIY kit. Store link is in the video description. Thanks!
I just checked and unfortunately you don’t deliver to Ireland is there anything else I can do
@@AviationDublin-bl6lw For some reasons Shopify have some countries not on the destination list. Good news is, you can email me and we can do the transaction outside the store :) santiagoluib3@gmail.com
Ok and do you know how much the thrustmaster tension for the throttle costs in Euros
Hello, I have already installed the mod but it sounds terrible.
Hi, one of your ballpoints maybe got stuck. It happens sometimes. Please open it again, and roll the tiny balls at the tip with your fingertip. You should feel the metal balls roll just like ballpoint pen. If not smooth, please apply a bit of oil at the tip while pressing and rolling the ballpoint. For more details, please email me at santiagoluib3@gmail.com
Thanks!
Don't get it if you have Xbox Series X MSFS 2020. I just got mine, was very excited. The detents feel really good and realistic. Unfortunately in Xbox MSFS A320 does NOT have a calibration within the aircraft and as a result you will still have an issue with throttle speed going from slow to "too fast" when switching. This is only better for people using PC MSFS 2020. XBOX SUCKSSSS.
I'm sorry to hear that. I didn't know Xbox MSFS A320 does not support that calibration.