I went to Forest City a few weeks ago in June 2022. It was a completely random drive. The drive in was so deep in, we didn’t see any other cars driving in or out. From the ground, the apartment buildings looked like they were overgrown and completely deserted. We finally saw other people when we reached the beach hotel. There were no lights on at the carpark. But there were a few dozen people using the water park facilities and little beach. It’s a massive “city” and we only drove around a tiny area of it. Most of it looked deserted and abandoned.
I support this conclusion. I was there with my wife early 2022 and the entire city looked deserted, except for some local tourists at the beach facilities. There does not seem to be any more progress and the show-flats are already falling apart. This is just another “white elephant” project with a billion dollar write-off.
@@pawehbsam5872 Believe me most rich foreigners would be too smart to invest in Forest City. The money was coming from Chinese desperate to get their money out of China, as soon as the Chinese government pulled the mat on that idea, the whole lot was doomed. The only hope it has now is if a local company takes it over and makes all the buildings into affordable properties for local people to buy or rent. Which won't happen, so it's a future ghost city
As a Malaysian I kinda agree.The money could be use to enhance the technology in Malaysia tho the forest city is kinda a great place to live in and is also kinda a great way to live with mother nature but I don't think the government have enough money to maintain the place for a long time considering there isn't many people living in the city itself
I had my internship in one of the hotel there. It was really quiet and far from other buildings and shopping mall. To be honest, it's good for someone who likes nature and quiet surrounding (like me, because both of my parents villages are in the middle of the city) but sometimes you'll get very bored because not much you can see and a lot of construction works still going on. Most of the guests that came either have business purpose or random vacation days Edit: Fun fact - I dodged a big bullet of pandemic because my intern was at the end of 2019 and pandemic started at early 2020 😬
People prefer to live in a place close to where they work for convenience, not across the country border. In western world, people move to where they can find jobs. Moving to resort is for retirement.
@@Strawberryknight This place was supposed to be one of upcoming best future area with tourism, home and jobs or something but there's a lot of constructions and renovations happening all at once. It became worst since pandemic started (according to my mother since I cut off contact with people I've worked there xD)
Many foreigners have bought a unit in forest city, but due to pandemic, they didn't come to Malaysia. I went to Forest City in April 2022. I only see guards and staffs, but no residents.
So it was a win for Sultan I bet? Foreigner will lose money and ended up giving back the land earlier than contract because economically can’t survive. It was a brainer from the Sultan for making profit for his country. Kudos
I used to work for forest city. Not for too long ago. Even when it was undergoing full swing construction we really didn't see where it was going. Everything was so out of control. if im not mistaken it only completed 25% of its original planning. They kinda stooped Malaysian politics + pandemic was kinda the nail to the coffin. But even without the pandemic i doubt it would be 100%
@@Iceyfire12 its not abandoned. Few building constructions are finished. Just wasn't as intended. Probably 20-30%. Not sure haven't been there in a while
Can't agree more about the title. MALAYSIA had the most stupid politicians and business companies who run this kind of projects.. Meanwhile, the road tar still remains the same and never got fix with so many uncountable holes.
This is Sultan Johor’s project with his family. If politicians are stupid, then this fella is no different. Johoreans who love him are just too dumb to even think what kind of man he sctually is.
The Sultan of state of Johore and family are involved in this project. He is powerful and all politicians and authorities are scared of him. He took state land and sold to Chinese developers and made a lot of money. He did the same to many more land in Johore. Malaysia is also very corrupt and Chinese government like them a lot.
@@zacharybasil The problem with Malaysian leaders is too obvious; they like to waste a lot of money by cancelling projects with the people they don't see eye to eye.
I visited Forest City in 2019 out of curiosity. It's basically a Chinese tourist orientated island. Signs are ALL in Mandarin and English, this is in a country where the official language is Malay. Other than tourists flocking to the main area, which is the large complex with the shopping mall, hotel, water park and beach the rest of the city is completely deserted. By the way, the expressway that leads to forest city cuts through and skips past all of the villages where the locals live. Thus forcing locals to take a longer detour just to get on Malaysia's expressways. The entire city is literally detached from the rest of the country.
This project has no bearing on the Malaysian or Johor state economy as it is built for Mainland Chinese people and this is a reclaimed land outside of mainland Malaysia. Not affecting the Malaysian government or people as it is fully private and a foreign company targeting foreigners only.
@@eagle1681 sultan able to sell plain empty sea water to foreigner for 100b who could do that? Other states are doing reclaim project also, but using tax payers money whilst the 100B is solely FDI to johore, not a single dime of tax payers money. If you would want to complain about mangrove tree, please do that to penang and melaka as well as they done the reclaim project as well, using tax payer money.
False advertising on the Chinese side. Some of my Chinese co-workers in China thought this was in Singapore as most of the brochures in China show Singapore landmarks and state less than 30mins the MRT at Woodlands can reach Singapore CBD. They sent me a copy in 2018 to verify the price as it was quite reasonable in SG. They were pushing hard over in China and some even got a small free apartment when they bought a large property from the Chinese developer in China I heard.
I have dissuaded my relative's HK friend from investing in Forest City years ago. I told her, near Singapore doesn't mean it is IN Singapore. Going via the causeway is already going be a headache. Luckily he did not go ahead
@@figaro3468 Reminds me of an ad (mentioned in a The B1M video too I think) that promised Forest City would only be like a 15-30min drive away from downtown Singapore, which clearly excludes the time spent at the border crossings. A conspiracy theory is that Singapore's gov't has little incentive to make the border crossings faster as it'd encourage more Singapore residents to travel to Malaysia (with its lowest cost of living) for R&R, bringing their spending power along with it (instead of doing so locally) which would cause outflows from S'pore's economy. The developers probably thought _Johor's Iskandar_ region is becoming to Singapore what _Shenzhen_ is to HK, but there's less co-ordination between the 2 gov't's here than over there I think, as there's more rivalry here
Looking back at doctor strange in the multiverse of madness. This actually a good thing to fix the heat wave. Just see how hot is our world now compared to 20 years ago.
@@GM-dg6mj remember when Dr. Strange go to the other multiverse and meet other Christine Palmer? That world is doom because of the heat wave but Reed Richards aka Mr. Fantastic found a solution how to fight the heat problem. It also explained why a lot of people bring umbrella when goin out because they're are watering the plants all around the building.
Forest City - when only few units are sold or occupied , it means few contributions to sinking fund to maintain the infrastructures and facilities. Who will be paying for securities, lifts , swimming pools or facade paintings?? Estate will be badly maintained. Secondly, there are simply far too many new projects. The Johor real estate is very much oversupplied and the secondary market almost does not exist. If you manage to find buyer , you will have to offload at a huge discount . Easy to buy but prepare to sell at a lost . Don't even think of renting out for mortgage payment, the rental amount is laughable. Foreign exchange risk - Real estate is long term holding . With weak ringgit , the longer you hold , the more you lose , when converting to your home currency. Buyer bewares !
@@danielch6662 this is more of the issue than the malaysian gvt..cronies just wanted in on that johor lucre..but now project owners can't sell to enough people to bother pony up the extortion. That's all that's happened..if interest picks up, the project will resume. There is absolutely nothing in this country, money cannot buy. We literally have a cartel holding the country hostage until we all pinky promise not to arrest our dearest ex leader and any of his merry men. Malaysia boleh ke.
At last somebody who speaks sense and the truth. Most westerners who come to Johor notice straight away that the whole local property market is crazy. Over hyped, over priced and usually low quality buildings at top dollar. As for the sinking fund, that's whats going to finally kill off all the investors, that steady drip drip to up keep their empty apartments facilities at least somewhat maintained.
There was a statistic that _Johor's Iskandar_ region as about the same number of private housing as the whole of neighbouring Singapore (~370000 units)
If the sea levels are going up so rapidly as the greeny crankies say then the City is sinking already physically not only economically...well China has a reputation for building Goast projects !
Near Singapore as an advantage? You must know that the location is directly opposite Singapore's heavy industrial park and close to the world's most extensive oil refinery facilities. Good luck to residents. Get excellent medical insurance before moving in!
Malaysia. the only country in the world where you can get a citizenship and permanent residence (PR) status without the need to master, to be fluent and to speak in their national language. this is why this project exists. their plan is to offer PR to the Chinese immigrant and make malaysia as their 2nd home. thank God, last PM - Mahathir blocked this project.
We all know what will happen If a cities gets populated by Chinese people. It'll start to separated from Malaysia and become "independent". Najib is an unreliable president who clearly doesn't have our best interests in mind.
Fucking Najib is papa kedana. He brings more harm than good. His good don't even justify the harm. I can list all the major problems he brought it's so devastating
Our choices were either low class 3rd world migrants from neighboring countries, Bangladesh, Cambodia who would probably only work for the lower tier of services. OR migrants from world's second largest economy who would do business start-ups. U do the math. Blocking a project this size, which has already started half way is not a wise decision at all, with its direct impact to Malaysia's future economy. That snake was playing his political card, without actually concerning the future of the country.
Our country only accept trash like refugees and illegal cheap labour. For smart rich china, british, Americans coming here through 2nd home projects, they oppose pulak. Can’t brain their mentality, tats why we can’t progress and they still syok sendiri. See Singapore, they are the hub of world.
Forest city is meant for foreigners with deep pockets. To Singaporean is nothing due to their strong currency & high salary. Other foreign nationals too should take advantage of it as M'sia offers a lot of access to the SEA economic region. HSR direct from S'pore through JB/Forest City & to KL should compliment the vibrancy. Govt policy must be streamlined in a fast track to entice the foreigner. M'sia govt must do a comparative research from other SEA countries in term of pricing mechanism & land ownership.
@@marinekong235 Really? Can you tell me dollar to dollar what is the starting salary for Executive for Degree level in Spore banking industry? or any other industry??
@@chawza8402 the “high” salary is because of the knowledge gained from universities deemed reputable, high skill set, good command of languages and a most transparent government policies. Unlike the rest of ASEAN which is just scams and shams from university qualifications to non existing skill sets, non existent command of English and corrupt governance
It is currently a ghost city. Malaysia changed the MM2H policy curbing “cheap retiree” visa and wanted a top dollar immigrant’s investment. Unsold vacant units with poor maintenance ~ it is doomed.
Buying an unit costing several hundred K on a piece of barely a year reclaimed land with so many high rises on top is hardly a fancy shopping for most Malaysians. Chinese developer and Johore Sultan fully envisioned that before start this mega Billion project.😏
@@ggc7318 Chinese investors had plenty of $$$ to spare on Johore Sultan. 🥰 They love n worship him . Don't need to worry, they are very happy to pay Malay Sultan to get whatever they want in Malaysia. Foundational and structural problem in Chinese contractor built houses is common, it is not even a secret. 🤭
@@trash0175 This mega billion project want rich foreign buyers especially from China with promises of residency from J. Sultan (a shareholder), never meant for local customer. 🙄
If the housing is to spread out with single houses and landed properties then we would end up with a disastrous "urban sprawl"! Prime productive agricultural land and even the native forest would disappear once we have urban sprawl, Melbourne and some US cities are in this category.
Ah yes, build an entire city that no one local can ever possibly hope to afford so it stays less than 50% occupied and ends up slowly collapsing due to not meeting projected debt repayments. This project cost 100 billion dollars. This is why all of China’s real estate developers are defaulting on their debt. Insane projects built on hope and what could be, not projects built for actual local citizens.
I lived in Langkawi in the 90s, it was a beautiful paradise, then they decided to reclaim land from the sea and to develop it into a concrete Disney land by the sea. In some respects it was a reasonable success lots of fucking horrible Russian tourists but the island lost a lot of its natural beauty and a lot of the local fishermen and old ways of life were lost. Pantai kok was an amazing beach full of Small beach huts and restaurants and an amazing mangrove full of life now it’s all gone replace withe a boat marina . Last time I was there on 2004 there was a tourist in sight. I imagine when they made all the grand plans for. Langkawi it all looked so amazing but if it wasn’t for Russian and Chinese tourists the place would be a right off. I do love Malaysia and Langkawi does still have so much natural beauty it’s just a pity that the corrupt governments seem to ruin everything they touch
All this land reclamation is destroying what little beauty is left of the earth for fake beauty all in the name of "tourism". but its a necessary evil to protect against rising sea levels.
Forest City turning into Jungle City and soon after when it sinks to the bottom, (because the island foundation is not completely stable) will be turned into Atlantis City of the East.
Its failed mega projects and everyone knew about it. As a genuine developer, you dont build so many buildings short term and crowded the island. No one will appreciate. Should build stages and gradually upon completion and fully or semi occupied. If the places are not being maintaned after 10 years. The buildings will become old and run down. Its not safe staying anymore. It's just too big and need high resources to maintain a building without minimum occupants. Of course it's a form for money channelling out from somewhere. Mainland Chinese cant simply migrate and buy a foreign property and stay somewhere. If anyone sell you this silly idea, you have been scammed. What is behind, everyone is fully aware by now.
I feel it's unfair to call this useless mega project. It had a lot of potential and was killed mid-way by politics. The issue was that it benefitted Chinese companies and workers more than the Malaysian and Mahatir's government disapproved of that. I question though why they had to go and kill the project by banning sale to foreigners when it already had progressed so much. If it wasn't done at an early stage, then the pin shouldn't have been pulled. If anything, they could have taken mesaures to benefit local business to service the residents. That could have generated economical benefits to Malaysians for decades to come.
In order to support this many units in this Forest, there needs to be equal number of well-paying jobs in the near vicinity that will entice people to buy and stay. You can't expect to attract just the investors cos most of these investors who buy are not going to stay here - they will want to rent their unit out. But who is going to rent? No one. Cos there is no critical mass to entice people to stay here as there are no real high paying job opportunities in the area. This Forest will become a ghost town inevitably. Those who have invested here will have to drastically lower their asking rental to have any tenant at all, and they will most likely be subsidising their tenant to stay in their unit. They also can't sell their unit because they are in direct competition with the developer. So it's either they sell at substantial ooss or continue subsidising their tenant.
With a country forever changing policy, it's a risk factors if u want to invest in Malaysia, the government of Malaysia is always thinking of ways to improve their income not for the Malaysia people , but for the pocket of the politician, potholes on the same road , 10 years later is still there , they never get things done.
As a Malaysian , I have to say , it's not useless. .. In fact , it's actually useful. .. More useful than Internet to humanity. .. Firstly , this project made those millionaires became multi-millionaires , secondly , they could buy new private jet , private island , million dollars mansion for their family and scandals. .. Thirdly , us the middle class and poor class citizens could spend our money more to pay for their inflation , bribes and taxes so they could enjoy all these privilleges while we cry eating maggie everyday. .. Man , I could do this all day to say how useful this project is for them to do money laundering. .. Next time check your fact first dude
@@LeuBlue Well , good for them. .. They became more rich , we the lowly life became more poor. .. Man I love being poor. .. I love work my ass like an idiot day and night just to give them my money so they can enjoy all my money while I cry at night eating trash
This city was build for monkey, buffalo, rat, crocodile and other animal.. It is good to be taman safari or zoo.... We can through driving to see animal life in nature🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nothing wrong for the Chinese investors like any Western investors, its all purely business. The problem lies with unstable political stability of the country that foreigners invested in.
But in Malaysia it is political hyper sensitive to bring in China citizens and ethnic Chinese populations from other countries It is a no common sense action
@@ct9245 That's the problem of the M'sian govt of the day to sort it out. Anyway racial issues have all along a problem in M'siaso long it continues to stick to old mind-set of race superiority.
I have many foreign friend brought unit there but due to partially lockdown and political reason many still not back to check the condition of their unit some even sold at 40/50% losses. Also understand that high-rises unit insurance company don't take their business. How true I have not verify maybe those who know the reason why care to share.
Far from being useless, this was a brilliant move by the Malaysian government (I believe it’s the Najib administration). Look at it, it’s reclaimed land facing Singapore who is also furiously reclaiming land. Fully funded by Chinese companies. What’s there to lose ? Ghost town? Nobody’s complaining except some of the individual buyers.
Yes, same with China cheating their own ppl, also facing same things, build alot of project, money keep paying but no house to stay, now the people refuse to pay to their bank, great things to come.
@@Blaze6432 because the shoreline was a swamp in the first place and the extra land was reclaimed from the sea. What’s there to lose? Anyway, nobody is forcing anyone to buy and if you have bought, you have nobody to blame except yourself. Isn’t that true?
@@clipsharing6323 don’t be silly. The construction companies are private entities and not the government. Buyers are not forced and are subject to risks just like in any other countries, even in USA. If you want to accuse China of cheating its own people, that’s fine, because that’s exactly what happened during the US subprime mortgage crisis. Just pointing out your hypocrisy to criticise China only.
Local people like B40 lor where got 💵 to buy such expensive aprtmnts. If some of the aprtmnts were converted to PPRT, they could cater for the underprivilege rakyat rather then left unutilised lest abandon.
Even though it useless city but, maybe some day we woudn' t know that place could be the fresh and healthy places in the world or maybe that place could be the saver of glabal warming. Yeah just thinking positively, every useless things has it own useful.
After this Johor gov akan ambil alih sbb dlm agreements pemaju tak boleh beri income kpd state more then 10 years. Rumah akan dijual kepada first home owner sahaja. So rumah itu akan dihuni oleh golongan M40 yang bekerja sekitar jb/gelang patah dan singapura. Percayalah.
as a johorean , i 100% agree of the title itself , hm the money that they used for the project can be used for build some home for the needs , istg why tf they build a grand ghost city
Thankfully this project is mostly funded by a foreign company which is Country Garden, and the buyers are majority from China & Singapore. And majority of these buyer used Chinese banks to finance their house purchase. So minimum impact to local banks and Malaysians 🤭. The Chinese developer from mainland China are notorious for building ghost cities.
We need these in over priced realestate markets I the US. I think longterm it's a good investment for those who want to be close to Singapore. So long as global climate change doesn't effect to structures.
Buying a day dream of Malaysia. There is so many failed huge project in Malaysia. Those in Malacca city has been a old lesson during Mahathir times. Yet the lesson have not taught the Malaysian a lesson
THE INVESTMENT Made by investors Is SUCCESSFULLY INVESTED ☑️👌🏻 The PRINCIPAL CAPITAL RETURN AND THE PREDICTED PROFIT GAIN INVESTMENT DOES NOT HAPPEN 👌🏻☑️ WHO IS BENEFITED FROM THIS MEGA PROJECT ? LAND OWNER ? DEVELOPER ? ARCHITECT ? BUILDER ? LABOUR? BUYER ? 🧠🧠
Who says it is useless - it had served its purpose. 1) allowing large sums of money obtained from GIF knows where to be directed from the major shareholder and hence cleansed for other uses. 2) key figure who allows is had been enriched by the it - cash is king when funnelled into one’s pocket 3) certain investors had received their fair share for investment. Etc etc. so it is not useless, just had it uses fully utilised. Hahahaha
It's a far sighted and visionary project which will brings us billions in term of economics benefits for Malaysians .Owing to worldwide pandemics, lockup and down,slump in world economy and to a greater extent political instability in our country coupled with corruption in every sectors and sabotage Forest City suffered. Gave them 5 years it will be the city called Heaven.
It's not useless developer can still open sales for Singaporean and local to purchase the property just add some benefits and offer discounts it will be a hotcake.
Project 😏 only benefits #jdtfc & it's subs. Locals are to stare or gaze while driving 😁. 🐷 di hutan disusukan, 👶🏻 sendiri mati kelaparan. Ibarat menang sorak, kampung tergadai. Probably the real reflections 😩 of the 2 tigers.
My advice as a Malaysian: don't buy property there. It's not affordable to the locals and guess what happens when you want to realised your investment? Finding the next fool?
Never buy property in malaysia is useless no buyer no rental no value is like throwing money into the sea cannot liquidate money back still need to service loans is a burden to yourself.
I went to Forest City a few weeks ago in June 2022. It was a completely random drive. The drive in was so deep in, we didn’t see any other cars driving in or out. From the ground, the apartment buildings looked like they were overgrown and completely deserted. We finally saw other people when we reached the beach hotel. There were no lights on at the carpark. But there were a few dozen people using the water park facilities and little beach. It’s a massive “city” and we only drove around a tiny area of it. Most of it looked deserted and abandoned.
I support this conclusion. I was there with my wife early 2022 and the entire city looked deserted, except for some local tourists at the beach facilities. There does not seem to be any more progress and the show-flats are already falling apart. This is just another “white elephant” project with a billion dollar write-off.
Because housing and apartment there were freaking expensive..local will not spend there unless you are a rich foreigner..
So we are allowed to go everywhere? No restricted places whatsoever?
China style property building 🙃 Ha ..ha
@@pawehbsam5872 Believe me most rich foreigners would be too smart to invest in Forest City. The money was coming from Chinese desperate to get their money out of China, as soon as the Chinese government pulled the mat on that idea, the whole lot was doomed. The only hope it has now is if a local company takes it over and makes all the buildings into affordable properties for local people to buy or rent. Which won't happen, so it's a future ghost city
As a Malaysian I kinda agree.The money could be use to enhance the technology in Malaysia tho the forest city is kinda a great place to live in and is also kinda a great way to live with mother nature but I don't think the government have enough money to maintain the place for a long time considering there isn't many people living in the city itself
Dude, those mega project are necessary urgently needed! if not how it going fill our beloved menteri pocket to build next mega banglow?
yea it is a corruption, $100bil? that's clearly a red flag
@@workinghard7013 most of it probably came from China which is famous for their own corruption and is looking for their corrupted buddies in Malaysia.
Interesting! Thanks so much for watching looking forward to seeing you in the next video :)
If you want to live with nature, can always ask the Orang Asli to take you in.
its not useless, it becoming real forest fast. rainforest to be exact, full of diversity.
Ayo
that escalated quickly hahaha
Lmao 😂👌
Thanks so much for watching looking forward to seeing you in the next video :)
As tun m said, that would be real forest
The ghosts & the dust will stay there. !
China exporting ghost cities to Malaysia..
mosquito too
Betul2 😁
I had my internship in one of the hotel there. It was really quiet and far from other buildings and shopping mall. To be honest, it's good for someone who likes nature and quiet surrounding (like me, because both of my parents villages are in the middle of the city) but sometimes you'll get very bored because not much you can see and a lot of construction works still going on. Most of the guests that came either have business purpose or random vacation days
Edit: Fun fact - I dodged a big bullet of pandemic because my intern was at the end of 2019 and pandemic started at early 2020 😬
People prefer to live in a place close to where they work for convenience, not across the country border. In western world, people move to where they can find jobs. Moving to resort is for retirement.
@@Strawberryknight This place was supposed to be one of upcoming best future area with tourism, home and jobs or something but there's a lot of constructions and renovations happening all at once. It became worst since pandemic started (according to my mother since I cut off contact with people I've worked there xD)
Many foreigners have bought a unit in forest city, but due to pandemic, they didn't come to Malaysia.
I went to Forest City in April 2022. I only see guards and staffs, but no residents.
there are 'residents' in this city, only that u can't see them...
My dream!
So it was a win for Sultan I bet? Foreigner will lose money and ended up giving back the land earlier than contract because economically can’t survive. It was a brainer from the Sultan for making profit for his country. Kudos
@@as-zm8pt bruh that is the dumbest thing ive read today
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I used to work for forest city. Not for too long ago. Even when it was undergoing full swing construction we really didn't see where it was going. Everything was so out of control. if im not mistaken it only completed 25% of its original planning. They kinda stooped Malaysian politics + pandemic was kinda the nail to the coffin. But even without the pandemic i doubt it would be 100%
project money = politician swallowed 60%; buildings maintenance $ = politicians swallowed 80%. have fun.
Does that mean it’s now an Abandoned part of Malaysia?
@@Iceyfire12 its not abandoned. Few building constructions are finished. Just wasn't as intended. Probably 20-30%. Not sure haven't been there in a while
This one project Helang. And back then Tun M was PM so I think got a bit gado2 then now terbengkalai
Jadi memang terbengkalai lah ni?
0:56 UH NO Johor is NOT a fully independant nation, it is still a part of Malaysia
Haha Johor wishes.
@Tranquil Water Johor country
I was like, did I hear this guy wrong?
@Tranquil Water bring UMNO also.
haha nice dream.
Building infrastructures especially housings and condominiums but couldn't be afford by most of Malaysian themselves.
Unfortunately Far A.R these projects are financed by foreigners and cater for foreigners not Malaysians.
@@mohdnizam9994 Can't disagree with you. But who had allowed such projects? A softball question
Ask the previous PM. He has all the answers. Not PM Mahathir as he is against such project@@fara.r.8181
@@fara.r.8181 Huhuhu that is such an issue. A lot of malaysian ourself were mad or even still mad now about it. And im too lazy to type to explain
Can't agree more about the title. MALAYSIA had the most stupid politicians and business companies who run this kind of projects.. Meanwhile, the road tar still remains the same and never got fix with so many uncountable holes.
Agree
This is Sultan Johor’s project with his family. If politicians are stupid, then this fella is no different. Johoreans who love him are just too dumb to even think what kind of man he sctually is.
Don't forget that even to these days, Sabah Sarawak are basically still a massive town
Interesting! Thanks so much ALL for watching looking forward to seeing you in the next video :)
Traffic congestion never put in this issue.
The Sultan of state of Johore and family are involved in this project. He is powerful and all politicians and authorities are scared of him.
He took state land and sold to Chinese developers and made a lot of money. He did the same to many more land in Johore.
Malaysia is also very corrupt and Chinese government like them a lot.
Well. He is the SULTAN!! 🤣🤣
Good for Tun Mahathir to call him out… cause those who are pro with this Sultan are downright stup*d.
how about 1mdb project?? forest city still ok, if price drop, ppl willing to buy the property
@@GeorgiaAndrea love or hate him, he speaking fact. And his achievements back then make malaysia so good. Tun m project still function a lot
@@zacharybasil The problem with Malaysian leaders is too obvious; they like to waste a lot of money by cancelling projects with the people they don't see eye to eye.
I visited Forest City in 2019 out of curiosity. It's basically a Chinese tourist orientated island. Signs are ALL in Mandarin and English, this is in a country where the official language is Malay. Other than tourists flocking to the main area, which is the large complex with the shopping mall, hotel, water park and beach the rest of the city is completely deserted. By the way, the expressway that leads to forest city cuts through and skips past all of the villages where the locals live. Thus forcing locals to take a longer detour just to get on Malaysia's expressways. The entire city is literally detached from the rest of the country.
With that many plant life but no occupants to maintain it, it will soon be Forest rather than Forest City 🤣
Or "mosquitoes cities"
@@adrenalineactivate not forget the monkey. For sure their will enjoy their vacation a lot 🤣
🤣🤣🤣
This project has no bearing on the Malaysian or Johor state economy as it is built for Mainland Chinese people and this is a reclaimed land outside of mainland Malaysia. Not affecting the Malaysian government or people as it is fully private and a foreign company targeting foreigners only.
the sultan's company has a stake in this project
@@eagle1681 Yes, but he is the only one affected by this project. Ordinary Johoreans and the state of Johor is still having a surplus economy.
@@bukitkatilmp really hope so, the mangrove all gone, much less fish for local fisherman
@@eagle1681 sultan able to sell plain empty sea water to foreigner for 100b who could do that? Other states are doing reclaim project also, but using tax payers money whilst the 100B is solely FDI to johore, not a single dime of tax payers money. If you would want to complain about mangrove tree, please do that to penang and melaka as well as they done the reclaim project as well, using tax payer money.
@@Ameng3471 worth 100b ? to me it's just a giant washing machine lol
False advertising on the Chinese side. Some of my Chinese co-workers in China thought this was in Singapore as most of the brochures in China show Singapore landmarks and state less than 30mins the MRT at Woodlands can reach Singapore CBD. They sent me a copy in 2018 to verify the price as it was quite reasonable in SG. They were pushing hard over in China and some even got a small free apartment when they bought a large property from the Chinese developer in China I heard.
Yes, its Chinese developer cheating Chinese consumers.
I have dissuaded my relative's HK friend from investing in Forest City years ago. I told her, near Singapore doesn't mean it is IN Singapore. Going via the causeway is already going be a headache.
Luckily he did not go ahead
@@figaro3468 Reminds me of an ad (mentioned in a The B1M video too I think) that promised Forest City would only be like a 15-30min drive away from downtown Singapore, which clearly excludes the time spent at the border crossings. A conspiracy theory is that Singapore's gov't has little incentive to make the border crossings faster as it'd encourage more Singapore residents to travel to Malaysia (with its lowest cost of living) for R&R, bringing their spending power along with it (instead of doing so locally) which would cause outflows from S'pore's economy. The developers probably thought _Johor's Iskandar_ region is becoming to Singapore what _Shenzhen_ is to HK, but there's less co-ordination between the 2 gov't's here than over there I think, as there's more rivalry here
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Looking back at doctor strange in the multiverse of madness. This actually a good thing to fix the heat wave. Just see how hot is our world now compared to 20 years ago.
@@GM-dg6mj remember when Dr. Strange go to the other multiverse and meet other Christine Palmer? That world is doom because of the heat wave but Reed Richards aka Mr. Fantastic found a solution how to fight the heat problem. It also explained why a lot of people bring umbrella when goin out because they're are watering the plants all around the building.
Forest City - when only few units are sold or occupied , it means few contributions to sinking fund to maintain the infrastructures and facilities. Who will be paying for securities, lifts , swimming pools or facade paintings?? Estate will be badly maintained.
Secondly, there are simply far too many new projects. The Johor real estate is very much oversupplied and the secondary market almost does not exist. If you manage to find buyer , you will have to offload at a huge discount .
Easy to buy but prepare to sell at a lost . Don't even think of renting out for mortgage payment, the rental amount is laughable.
Foreign exchange risk - Real estate is long term holding . With weak ringgit , the longer you hold , the more you lose , when converting to your home currency.
Buyer bewares !
In future , it will become forest 🌳 and city
Evergrande's collapse ain't helping. 😅
@@danielch6662 this is more of the issue than the malaysian gvt..cronies just wanted in on that johor lucre..but now project owners can't sell to enough people to bother pony up the extortion. That's all that's happened..if interest picks up, the project will resume.
There is absolutely nothing in this country, money cannot buy. We literally have a cartel holding the country hostage until we all pinky promise not to arrest our dearest ex leader and any of his merry men. Malaysia boleh ke.
At last somebody who speaks sense and the truth. Most westerners who come to Johor notice straight away that the whole local property market is crazy. Over hyped, over priced and usually low quality buildings at top dollar. As for the sinking fund, that's whats going to finally kill off all the investors, that steady drip drip to up keep their empty apartments facilities at least somewhat maintained.
There was a statistic that _Johor's Iskandar_ region as about the same number of private housing as the whole of neighbouring Singapore (~370000 units)
If the sea levels are going up so rapidly as the greeny crankies say then the City is sinking already physically not only economically...well China has a reputation for building Goast projects !
It will be Undersea Forest City very soon with rising sea levels.
Near Singapore as an advantage? You must know that the location is directly opposite Singapore's heavy industrial park and close to the world's most extensive oil refinery facilities. Good luck to residents. Get excellent medical insurance before moving in!
Malaysia. the only country in the world where you can get a citizenship and permanent residence (PR) status without the need to master, to be fluent and to speak in their national language. this is why this project exists. their plan is to offer PR to the Chinese immigrant and make malaysia as their 2nd home. thank God, last PM - Mahathir blocked this project.
brings absolute no value to Malaysian other than expanding our shoreline towards Singapore... let's hope for a better plan after GE15.
We all know what will happen If a cities gets populated by Chinese people. It'll start to separated from Malaysia and become "independent". Najib is an unreliable president who clearly doesn't have our best interests in mind.
Fucking Najib is papa kedana. He brings more harm than good. His good don't even justify the harm. I can list all the major problems he brought it's so devastating
Our choices were either low class 3rd world migrants from neighboring countries, Bangladesh, Cambodia who would probably only work for the lower tier of services. OR migrants from world's second largest economy who would do business start-ups. U do the math. Blocking a project this size, which has already started half way is not a wise decision at all, with its direct impact to Malaysia's future economy. That snake was playing his political card, without actually concerning the future of the country.
Our country only accept trash like refugees and illegal cheap labour. For smart rich china, british, Americans coming here through 2nd home projects, they oppose pulak. Can’t brain their mentality, tats why we can’t progress and they still syok sendiri. See Singapore, they are the hub of world.
Forest city is meant for foreigners with deep pockets. To Singaporean is nothing due to their strong currency & high salary.
Other foreign nationals too should take advantage of it as M'sia offers a lot of access to the SEA economic region. HSR direct from S'pore through JB/Forest City & to KL should compliment the vibrancy. Govt policy must be streamlined in a fast track to entice the foreigner.
M'sia govt must do a comparative research from other SEA countries in term of pricing mechanism & land ownership.
Singapore does not have high salaries, it’s just that ringgit is cheap. And why is that so - ask the people that the people voted for
@@marinekong235 Really? Can you tell me dollar to dollar what is the starting salary for Executive for Degree level in Spore banking industry? or any other industry??
@@khairi65 can you do the same for Malaysia - what’s their starting salaries?
@@marinekong235 wdym? it's still far higher than other ASEAN country. don't compare it to hongkong, USA, or Europe
@@chawza8402 the “high” salary is because of the knowledge gained from universities deemed reputable, high skill set, good command of languages and a most transparent government policies. Unlike the rest of ASEAN which is just scams and shams from university qualifications to non existing skill sets, non existent command of English and corrupt governance
It is currently a ghost city. Malaysia changed the MM2H policy curbing “cheap retiree” visa and wanted a top dollar immigrant’s investment. Unsold vacant units with poor maintenance ~ it is doomed.
Good and fair coverage of the issues
Buying an unit costing several hundred K on a piece of barely a year reclaimed land with so many high rises on top is hardly a fancy shopping for most Malaysians. Chinese developer and Johore Sultan fully envisioned that before start this mega Billion project.😏
It cost more than a million ringgit Malaysia or not foreigners can't buy it ......
There could be foundational problems soon if the reclaimed land was not prepared properly. A potential time bomb for investors.
@@ggc7318 Chinese investors had plenty of $$$ to spare on Johore Sultan. 🥰 They love n worship him . Don't need to worry, they are very happy to pay Malay Sultan to get whatever they want in Malaysia. Foundational and structural problem in Chinese contractor built houses is common, it is not even a secret. 🤭
@@trash0175 This mega billion project want rich foreign buyers especially from China with promises of residency from J. Sultan (a shareholder), never meant for local customer. 🙄
@@trash0175 What CCP really wants are the oil fields in South China Sea. Project like Forest City are just helping CCP to buy influences in Malaysia.
how about turn that city into an actual forest? it would be a great apocalyptic movie set for hollywood n it would be cheap too...
Thank you for praising Malaysia. Malaysia Boleh !
What are they going to do when the coast starts sinking like Australia, New Zealand, Japan and Florida? It's stupid to build that close to the water.
Stupid idea to recreate another concrete jungle.
If the housing is to spread out with single houses and landed properties then we would end up with a disastrous "urban sprawl"! Prime productive agricultural land and even the native forest would disappear once we have urban sprawl, Melbourne and some US cities are in this category.
dusts & ghosts will stay there.
Forest City, do you mean full of over growth and wild langlang green and creeper plant everywhere ?
Ah yes, build an entire city that no one local can ever possibly hope to afford so it stays less than 50% occupied and ends up slowly collapsing due to not meeting projected debt repayments.
This project cost 100 billion dollars. This is why all of China’s real estate developers are defaulting on their debt. Insane projects built on hope and what could be, not projects built for actual local citizens.
It’s never about locals -
Speaking like all locals are poor, come on dude even my villagers have bought a few units there. Stop talking about something you are not sure
@@azhamrahman2445 kampong Putra Jaya? Haha
@@azhamrahman2445 some MP from Pekan also have forgotten millions in luggages hahaha
@@marinekong235 that is none of my business and I couldn't care less
I lived in Langkawi in the 90s, it was a beautiful paradise, then they decided to reclaim land from the sea and to develop it into a concrete Disney land by the sea. In some respects it was a reasonable success lots of fucking horrible Russian tourists but the island lost a lot of its natural beauty and a lot of the local fishermen and old ways of life were lost. Pantai kok was an amazing beach full of Small beach huts and restaurants and an amazing mangrove full of life now it’s all gone replace withe a boat marina . Last time I was there on 2004 there was a tourist in sight. I imagine when they made all the grand plans for. Langkawi it all looked so amazing but if it wasn’t for Russian and Chinese tourists the place would be a right off. I do love Malaysia and Langkawi does still have so much natural beauty it’s just a pity that the corrupt governments seem to ruin everything they touch
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All this land reclamation is destroying what little beauty is left of the earth for fake beauty all in the name of "tourism". but its a necessary evil to protect against rising sea levels.
Forest City turning into Jungle City and soon after when it sinks to the bottom, (because the island foundation is not completely stable) will be turned into Atlantis City of the East.
I am a Malaysian and I have never heard of this thing before
I guess this is where our taxes go.
Very sensitive project. If Malaysians criticise it they will get "terminated". By who? I can't tell.
im a Malaysian and this made me laugh
Its failed mega projects and everyone knew about it. As a genuine developer, you dont build so many buildings short term and crowded the island. No one will appreciate. Should build stages and gradually upon completion and fully or semi occupied. If the places are not being maintaned after 10 years. The buildings will become old and run down. Its not safe staying anymore. It's just too big and need high resources to maintain a building without minimum occupants. Of course it's a form for money channelling out from somewhere. Mainland Chinese cant simply migrate and buy a foreign property and stay somewhere. If anyone sell you this silly idea, you have been scammed. What is behind, everyone is fully aware by now.
What can u expect from China style. This is how they built ghost city back in their course
Rich mainland Chinese will go to US, Canada Europe anyways. Whodafuq wants to choose Malaysia
the sultan defended this project and we all know why :D
I love how Johoreans still love him. Fools.
@@GeorgiaAndrea love is blind my dear friend. especially dumb love :D
@@jetsenlai2552 They act like he is this smart guy who can rule the country 🤣 Oh we all know what he is only capable of.
Im not that hyped for this project cause it doesn't benefit us locals , im more excited for melaka gateway Malaysia but it's still in discussions
Very interesting! Tell me more :)
melaka port is fail …
@@屎太浓-shitailin nah, U huaren always think U know the most
The Melaka Gateway is still in discussion and not advance because of concern of environment damage.
I'm melaccan , the melaka gateway is something u should avoid at all cost as now it's basically death
LOL , it's all at sea level , So if climate change is a thing , under she goes .
I feel it's unfair to call this useless mega project. It had a lot of potential and was killed mid-way by politics.
The issue was that it benefitted Chinese companies and workers more than the Malaysian and Mahatir's government disapproved of that. I question though why they had to go and kill the project by banning sale to foreigners when it already had progressed so much. If it wasn't done at an early stage, then the pin shouldn't have been pulled. If anything, they could have taken mesaures to benefit local business to service the residents. That could have generated economical benefits to Malaysians for decades to come.
Very well said and put thank you for watching and putting your insight in the comments, hope to see you again soon on the channel! :)
Malaysia ghost town: exist
Homeless: it's real free estate
as a malaysian, i totally agree to this video lol. rip money
I’m not sure who the target market was for this.
In order to support this many units in this Forest, there needs to be equal number of well-paying jobs in the near vicinity that will entice people to buy and stay. You can't expect to attract just the investors cos most of these investors who buy are not going to stay here - they will want to rent their unit out. But who is going to rent? No one. Cos there is no critical mass to entice people to stay here as there are no real high paying job opportunities in the area. This Forest will become a ghost town inevitably. Those who have invested here will have to drastically lower their asking rental to have any tenant at all, and they will most likely be subsidising their tenant to stay in their unit. They also can't sell their unit because they are in direct competition with the developer. So it's either they sell at substantial ooss or continue subsidising their tenant.
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Let the natural environment reclaim that land together with the half built homes. RIP buyers, contractors, suppliers to the project.
With a country forever changing policy, it's a risk factors if u want to invest in Malaysia, the government of Malaysia is always thinking of ways to improve their income not for the Malaysia people , but for the pocket of the politician, potholes on the same road , 10 years later is still there , they never get things done.
I am happy that the potholes remain the same.
Because "better" is not the only possible direction to go.
How about focusing development for sabah for once?
ayy, im from brunei. we would love that. its closer to us. so yes please! 😆
when i see the overview, it is exactly a replicate of a china city, as china cities are notorious for compact high rising properties.
1.18 that;s kuala lumpur, not singapore.
As a Malaysian , I have to say , it's not useless. .. In fact , it's actually useful. .. More useful than Internet to humanity. .. Firstly , this project made those millionaires became multi-millionaires , secondly , they could buy new private jet , private island , million dollars mansion for their family and scandals. .. Thirdly , us the middle class and poor class citizens could spend our money more to pay for their inflation , bribes and taxes so they could enjoy all these privilleges while we cry eating maggie everyday. .. Man , I could do this all day to say how useful this project is for them to do money laundering. .. Next time check your fact first dude
Sounds like only the rich benefits yuck, well it's not a surprise this city was built to steal Singapore's success
@@LeuBlue Well , good for them. .. They became more rich , we the lowly life became more poor. .. Man I love being poor. .. I love work my ass like an idiot day and night just to give them my money so they can enjoy all my money while I cry at night eating trash
Politics ruined a dream that Malaysians could have enjoyed.
And the old man’s sinophobia
Not surprised that someone in the south is buying new McLarens on a monthly basis.
This city was build for monkey, buffalo, rat, crocodile and other animal..
It is good to be taman safari or zoo....
We can through driving to see animal life in nature🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nothing wrong for the Chinese investors like any Western investors, its all purely business. The problem lies with unstable political stability of the country that foreigners invested in.
But in Malaysia it is political hyper sensitive to bring in China citizens and ethnic Chinese populations from other countries
It is a no common sense action
@@ct9245 That's the problem of the M'sian govt of the day to sort it out. Anyway racial issues have all along a problem in M'siaso long it continues to stick to old mind-set of race superiority.
Mosquito... Mosquito everywhere
1:00 … What you mean by “ Fully Independent National…” is there a mistake ?
This project is opening a door for Chinese from China to own a city in Malaysia. This is stupid idea.
I have many foreign friend brought unit there but due to partially lockdown and political reason many still not back to check the condition of their unit some even sold at 40/50% losses. Also understand that high-rises unit insurance company don't take their business. How true I have not verify maybe those who know the reason why care to share.
AGREED WHATEVER MALAYSIA PROJECTS,,,,,ITS THE SAME APA NAK MALU 🐅🐅🐅
malu apa bossku
Mosquito says hello 👋
Hey
Far from being useless, this was a brilliant move by the Malaysian government (I believe it’s the Najib administration). Look at it, it’s reclaimed land facing Singapore who is also furiously reclaiming land. Fully funded by Chinese companies. What’s there to lose ? Ghost town? Nobody’s complaining except some of the individual buyers.
Yes because taking up space in a country and building a whole town residents can't afford and foreigners barely purchase is a great idea right ?
Yes, same with China cheating their own ppl, also facing same things, build alot of project, money keep paying but no house to stay, now the people refuse to pay to their bank, great things to come.
@@Blaze6432 because the shoreline was a swamp in the first place and the extra land was reclaimed from the sea. What’s there to lose? Anyway, nobody is forcing anyone to buy and if you have bought, you have nobody to blame except yourself. Isn’t that true?
@@clipsharing6323 don’t be silly. The construction companies are private entities and not the government. Buyers are not forced and are subject to risks just like in any other countries, even in USA. If you want to accuse China of cheating its own people, that’s fine, because that’s exactly what happened during the US subprime mortgage crisis. Just pointing out your hypocrisy to criticise China only.
@@CalvinK300 Yes and all the resources just fell from the sky right ?
i loved the idea.. it could have been a great city.. but their targeted customers, sadly, not their own people
You don't want money?
We can never get rich by simply selling burgers to each other.
Local people like B40 lor where got 💵 to buy such expensive aprtmnts.
If some of the aprtmnts were converted to PPRT, they could cater for the underprivilege rakyat rather then left unutilised lest abandon.
Glad I get 1 of the units
It’s a nice place face to the sea and perfect location between Singapore and Malaysia. Because of covid many China buyers residents can’t come.
Even though it useless city but, maybe some day we woudn' t know that place could be the fresh and healthy places in the world or maybe that place could be the saver of glabal warming. Yeah just thinking positively, every useless things has it own useful.
Nah..
@@baygon2993 k..
@@baygon2993 eh.. yehh.. umm.. nah..
After this Johor gov akan ambil alih sbb dlm agreements pemaju tak boleh beri income kpd state more then 10 years. Rumah akan dijual kepada first home owner sahaja. So rumah itu akan dihuni oleh golongan M40 yang bekerja sekitar jb/gelang patah dan singapura. Percayalah.
how could this place saves global warming? do you mind to explain?
The only good thing about living in Forest City is you won't complain about the traffic.
There are thousands of people invested in there from Malaysia, Singapore and China.
What are they doing to get their money back? Any legal cases yet?
as a johorean , i 100% agree of the title itself , hm the money that they used for the project can be used for build some home for the needs , istg why tf they build a grand ghost city
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Nice to meet you
Thankfully this project is mostly funded by a foreign company which is Country Garden, and the buyers are majority from China & Singapore. And majority of these buyer used Chinese banks to finance their house purchase. So minimum impact to local banks and Malaysians 🤭. The Chinese developer from mainland China are notorious for building ghost cities.
Yep. So others foreign company should rethink about making investment in malaysia.
You aware the long term effect right? Don’t follow our GoV of short term vision and that’s the reason why we are still stuck and everyone progressed..
Red is fire. Blue is water. Yellow is wind. Green is stone
What "fully independant region" did you say?
We need these in over priced realestate markets I the US. I think longterm it's a good investment for those who want to be close to Singapore. So long as global climate change doesn't effect to structures.
Buying a day dream of Malaysia. There is so many failed huge project in Malaysia. Those in Malacca city has been a old lesson during Mahathir times. Yet the lesson have not taught the Malaysian a lesson
seems like a good idea that just wasn't planned in the right way. bummer, but not surprising
THE INVESTMENT
Made by investors
Is SUCCESSFULLY
INVESTED ☑️👌🏻
The PRINCIPAL CAPITAL
RETURN AND THE PREDICTED
PROFIT GAIN INVESTMENT
DOES NOT HAPPEN 👌🏻☑️
WHO IS BENEFITED FROM
THIS MEGA PROJECT ?
LAND OWNER ?
DEVELOPER ?
ARCHITECT ?
BUILDER ?
LABOUR?
BUYER ?
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3:16 mastermind
Terbaik... Cantik sagat... Salam dari kedah
wow, never knew my country get recognize in this way, felt proud! #malaysiaboleh
100 billion dollars in insane.
Finally we made world record of useless stuff AGAIN！😂🤦
Lol
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Thanks for the reply
Absolutely thanks for being here :)
In political opinion, I'm glad it got stopped as the whole project was more beneficial to the Chinese rather than Malaysians.
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Security will already have plenty of ponti stories at this point
one of the reason for failure is no continuity in governance. Mahathir did not get his share and did not support it.
Mosquito city?
Open to rakyat with 'harga mampu milik'. I can guarantee all unit will be fully booked. At least it will not become ghost town, what a waste.
Please do something.. Johore State Government!
Who says it is useless - it had served its purpose. 1) allowing large sums of money obtained from GIF knows where to be directed from the major shareholder and hence cleansed for other uses. 2) key figure who allows is had been enriched by the it - cash is king when funnelled into one’s pocket 3) certain investors had received their fair share for investment. Etc etc. so it is not useless, just had it uses fully utilised. Hahahaha
It's a far sighted and visionary project which will brings us billions in term of economics benefits for Malaysians .Owing to worldwide pandemics, lockup and down,slump in world economy and to a greater extent political instability in our country coupled with corruption in every sectors and sabotage Forest City suffered. Gave them 5 years it will be the city called Heaven.
Not bad but bad, quite funny joke lor, lai I clap hands
Bring us billions of economics benefit ? They bring in their own raw material to build the city , what economic contribution we get ? Come on
@@usernotfound5857 he is an owner in Forest City mah... pity him
Really the Malasiya is a Country of Forest , Fisheries , Wildlife & Nature . Economy is based on these resources and service sector .
wrong
dusts & ghosts will stay there.
Not really.
Looks totally like an eye sore.
wowwwwww
It's not useless developer can still open sales for Singaporean and local to purchase the property just add some benefits and offer discounts it will be a hotcake.
For what??? 👎👎👎
"Uhh actually sultan johore has smart plans 🤓"
Project 😏 only benefits #jdtfc & it's subs. Locals are to stare or gaze while driving 😁. 🐷 di hutan disusukan, 👶🏻 sendiri mati kelaparan. Ibarat menang sorak, kampung tergadai. Probably the real reflections 😩 of the 2 tigers.
the concept is great but execution wise, it looks like a flop, sadly it looks like a vanity ghost city.
Agreed
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What's up with C3PO !? 4:05
Lol
Corrupted city to be exact.
dusts & ghosts will stay there.
Boleh buat peta dalam video game 😆
My advice as a Malaysian: don't buy property there. It's not affordable to the locals and guess what happens when you want to realised your investment? Finding the next fool?
Thanks Liang
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Never buy property in malaysia is useless no buyer no rental no value is like throwing money into the sea cannot liquidate money back still need to service loans is a burden to yourself.
I wan to come to this place peace full not a lot people
it's a forest city = SO it's become a forest combined with concrete metropolis....