Tom Brady motivated Bill Russell to get his rings. He also taught MJ and Kobe their “killer mentality” as part of his TB12 package (prices starting at $9999.99)
Wow, a Celtics team that had inferior offensive numbers having the best record in the league? Must have had some amazing defense. Wonder if Bill Russell played for them?
@Lighthouse in the Storm he was also a coach. People forget that part. He was coaching and playing at that level while leading a lacking offense to 60+ win seasons. Normally I agree with a lot of this guys points but he's wrong about Bill Russell.
True you could say that, but Bill Russell's teammates weren't as awful as Wilt's teammates. If you use context to show defensive importance, then it's only fair to use context to prove offensive importance of Wilt Chamberlain. Without Bill, Celtics would still be a great team in their era, while without Wilt, the Warriors, and later on the Lakers, would've been a far worse team in comparison.
@@johngrimm2074 Wilt still had multiple hall of famers like Nate Thurmond, Gail Goodrich, Billy Cunningham, etc. and in Bill's final year, Wilt joined the Lakers who had just made the NBA finals and lost to Russell. In Russell's final year, it should've been easy for Wilt to win, but Russell was just the better basketball player and willed his team to victory. Wilt was the first great stat padder, didn't really care if they lost but more so if he dropped 40
@@idk5916 you're comparing those three to these eight, Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Tom Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Sam Jones, Frank Ramsey, and John Havlicek. If you consider Wilt is a Statpadder, then what do you consider Westbrook? One chases stats because he wants to, while the other has to have high stats in order to get into the playoffs. You figure out which is which, and tell me how Wilt is a statpadder in all sense of the word. Also keep telling the world that Russell is the better player, someday someone might get fooled and join you in your nonsense.
@@johngrimm2074 I consider Westbrook a stat padder, idk why you're bringing him up tbh. Teammates and coaches said Wilt chose stats over winning. And I listed 4 total players and mentioned Wilt joining with the Lakers who had West and Baylor and JUST made the NBA finals. Imagine if after KD went to the Warriors Cleveland still won, that's exactly what happened then Here's more HOF Wilt played with, Guy Rodgers, Al Attles, and Hal Greer. So I guess it's those 9 vs Russel's 8. Wilt was 4-5 in game 7s while Russell was 10-0. The year after Wilt left the 76ers, they went 55-27. Clearly, those teams were talented and didn't need Wilt to get to the playoffs. And in his last year with the 76ers, after being up 3-1 he's in game 7 against Russell's Celtics, he goes 4 for 9 from the field and 6 of 15 from the line resulting in 14 points. That's why he's not Russell's level, even teams or even when Wilt had the better team, Russell still won because he knew how and was willing to do whatever he could to win
As a LeBron fan, Derrick Rose deserved dat MVP in 2011. No his stats weren’t better than Bron’s but they were definitely MVP worth stats. Rose didn’t entirely carried the Bulls but offensively he definitely did, let alone Bron had Wade and Bosh and was still able to get the Bulls more wins then the superteam Heat
Also the Bulls were missing Joekim Noah and Carlos Boozer for a large portion of the season. Derrick Rose still help team have the best record in the NBA despite those injuries.
@@zabban so you're saying someone like K. C. Jones would have been a HoF player on any other team he played? Sure buddy. Bill is the only reason he, and several others are in the HoF.
You mean along with Cousy, Sam Jones and Havlicek. Russell had at least three legitimate HOF teammates. Cousy was an MVP prior to Russell and the best passer in the league, Sam Jones was Mr. Clutch, and Hondo won two championships after Russell along with leading the Celtics to a 68 win regular season.
That’s like saying Steve Ker is the best 3-point shooter ever because he has the highest career 3pt% even tho he only shot like 3 shots a game. Efficiency on higher Volume matters more than just the percentage it’s self.
Grading number 2 draft picks in the nba would be hilarious (because he could make fun of KD again 😂) Barry, if you’re reading this, that triggering video you made was legendary
@Fries I’d personally give him a B. He was a standout in the NBA who made 7 all-star games and 5 all-NBA teams. At one point, He was said to be the best power forward in the league during his time with the blazers. He’s a not champion, and hasn’t won any major awards, but he definitely stood out in the league! Way more than Andrea Bargnani
That's right, I remember the division winners got the top 3 seeds. And the Clippers and the Grizzlies both tried to "out-suck" each other to draw the Nuggets in the first round.
@@dusk6159 kobe had just as much of a case as dirk and lebron, I'd say a better case than lebron but worse case than dirk. Unless you're hyper focused on the lakers 45 wins and disregarding all context, like how it's only 5 wins less than lebron with comparable teammates in a much superior conference (cavs had a better record but lakers played better against their competition via srs), unless that is what you're doing, i don't see how you can count kobe completely out of the race but keep lebron in
@@sbnpouipnbt2614 Oh I thought you meant stats that were _useful_ lol. MVP isn't decided by TS% or AST% unless you have to split hairs between basically 2 literally identical candidates. In 05 Nash was: 17th in PER, 8th in WS/48, 11th in BPM, 19th in VORP. In 06: 14th in PER, 10th in WS/48, 16th in BPM, 17th in VORP. So I did lie - I overestimated him. If we're using advanced stats these are TERRIBLE for an MVP. In nearly every other year the MVP is top 10 in all of these at least, though usually top 5 if not #1 in all 4.
@@shepardice3775 per is not a good stat and neither is vorp… why not use RAPTOR or LEBRON😭 or even auPM, stop using those outdated and useless numbers😂
“But the revisionist history that Rose carried the Bulls by himself is ludicrous” The fact that you’re saying he DIDN’T carry them by himself is the true revisionist history here. I am willing to admit that Rose may have had the worst MVP season out of everyone in the 2010s, however that is only comparing him to other MVPs. He absolutely deserved MVP that year. He was the only player top 10 in both PPG & Assists. The Bulls had a new signing in Boozer miss 21 games, our starting C in Noah miss 34 games, and yet we still had the best record in the entire league. Mix all that with the fact that Miami underperformed to their expectations in the regular and Rose was playing in a unprecedented way, and he absolutely deserved MVP. He truly checked all the boxes for every criteria people use to gauge what an MVP season is.
and the only reason I say Rose may have had the worst MVP season of the 2010s is because he didn’t have an individual month/stretch of outstanding statistical dominance like every other MVP did. He maintained steady great production over time. But that is the only thing I would say that keeps him lower than every other. Steph & Lebron are the only other MVPs to lead their teams to more wins, and they had far more help than he did
01 iverson situation where they can't do it without his offense but he can't do it without their defense, a perfect mixture tbh. 11 is probably the weakest year in the modern era as far as mvp caliber seasons but rose definitely deserved it
@@khalidahmed-qq1qw see here we go with the advanced stats & disregarding logic. you think the Bulls without Rose, having Luol Deng as the best player & missing Noah/Boozer for 50 combined games would have fared better across a season than Miami with Wade & Bosh?
Lebron's 2018 whole baskeball run (regular and post season) is the best brand of basketball I've ever seen in my short life. I remember that everyday there was a crazy highlight of a Lebron block, assist or clutch shot.
@@magicjohnson5733 Harden was on a team surrounded by talent, pretty sure that the Rockets would've still made it to the playoffs if it was just Chris Paul and all those role players🤷🏽♂️ Can't say the same about the Cavs, Lebron was the only reason why they even made it to the playoffs, it's not just stats, it's team value
@@tj5180 well, im guessing when russell retired most of his teammates already had, considering he played for a long time, also nobody is saying russell wasnt good, they say he wasnt as good as wilt
Love the list, only thing I disagree on is the Brady hate. I agree Lebron has been snubbed of a couple MVP's, and partially due to voter fatigue (MJ faced the same thing).
No Lebron won the right amount of MVPs, the only other years you can argue is 2006 and 2011, and regardless of what he says the right person won both of those.
Shouldnt have won MVP at all Kobe should have Won MVP he averaged 35 5 and 5 how do you not win mvp, nash averaged 18 4 11 like it wasnt close Lebron did better that season too.
Magic johnson's last 2 mvps are an absolute disgrace to the sport. Jordan deserved them clearly. All that to tie magic's mvps to bird's. Bird had 3 consecutive unquestionable mvps
Bro this guys trying to compare Shaq and AI’s shooting percentage???? The shot selection is so different you can’t put those numbers up against each other, Zion has like 70% for a reason
They are both overrated, that has their leagues cater to them more than any players in their leagues history. They have also had the refs on their side, (especially LeBron) more than any players. They both win only when they have insanely stacked teams. They both made a career on simple plays, like Brady throwing quick little passes and LeBron just travel trucking to the hoop. But at least Brady doesn't cry alot, and do fake hate crimes against himself like little bron bron does.
@@ATICrossX if I didn't know Basketball than I would not have stated the facts that I stated. Are you seriously trying to say that LeBron doesn't travel to the hoop alot? Like him or not, you can't deny what i stated.
The argument for Bill not deserving the MVP because it was voted by “lazy” players doesn’t make sense. Wilt literally won MVP the season before Bills first. And Wilt won 3 straight after his true prime.
12:08 harden may have averaged 3 more points but he shot an entire 10 percent worst than Lebron and they shot the same percentage from three. Harden played 10 less games as Lebron played a full season in his 15th season. Lebron averaged more rebounds assists and blocks
While I don’t inherently disagree with some of these, throwing out advanced stats to show why MVPs in the 60s and 70s show why a player should have gotten the MVP when those stats weren’t a thing back then isn’t being fair.
IT WAS A GOOD VIDEO, BUT A LITTLE STRANGE THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT REGARDING JAMES HARDEN REF BAITING AND FLOPPING IS ALL A HUGE PART OF LEBRON JAMES GAME
I’m a patriots fan and I will tell you this. Only season Tom Brady impressed me was in 2007. After that it’s been like this weird urge for him to play that style and it’s just been nothing but dink and dunks ever since that season (or if you want to get technical it’s when he torn his acl). I mean yeah he throws the ball deep here and there but that’s really it. Most his yards come from Yac and I think Barry has a video about it somewhere but Don’t get me wrong, Tom Brady is a great football player but he is highly overrated. He has been around fantastic teams his whole career. (I’m a pistons and patriots fan but only reason I am is because I love defense and growing up in the 00s these were the best defensive teams at the time and was never really a Brady fan.) As a patriots fan I just hate how our defense is never mentioned or even brought up when talking about the patriots dynasty. It’s always about Brady
Rings are team accomplishments. I look at Tom beating the Rams in the SB. We certainly wouldn’t say that needing to score 4 points to win is an entirely difficult obstacle, his defense did the bulk of the work. You just can’t tell me half the top QBs in the league switch out Brady and can’t score 4 points. We give Tom a ring for that one but have to realize he played just ok that game but his team overall played well enough to win.
@@moz310 Yeah, I did say that MJ was a defensive monster, but since he didn't really focus too much energy on defence, I still think GP was a better defender, as a scorer, of course Jordan is miles ahead of anybody else
Lebron can’t be more valuable then Derrick rose when he has less wins with a d wade and bosh while d rose led a team to the best record with injuries to Noah and boozer
Put D Rose on the Heat and they wouldn’t have went to the finals. Also Bosh wasn’t even that good, he was basically like Kevin Love, he played on a really bad team which made him look good, but once he played next to LeBron and Wade it exposed him as not really being the super elite player he was propped up to be.
@@TheRealAbraxas Kevin love had to completely change his game. He when from a back to the basket big getting plenty of touches to the third opinion and changing his game to a stretch 4 because kyrie runs point and bron needs the ball. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about
Derrick Rose scored or assisted on 60% of the Bulls field goals that entire season. The Bulls were 1 seed over the Heat and their second best player was Boozer. Their starting 2 guard scored single digit averages and worst in assists. You telling me Rose wasn't as good as Lebron that season???
LBJ scored more points and averaged about the same assists. He did so on better efficiency from the floor. You understand the Bulls were a defensive juggernaut that year, right? Rose was the worst defender on that team.
@@jacoblee5796 Lebron, Wade, Bosh (Miller Bibby Stackhouse) =#2 Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Bogans (4ppg starting guard....) =#1 seed in the playoffs. Get off Lebron's dick
Facts. Kobe never did anything without having a top Big Man carrying him. Shaq piggy backed Kobe to his first 3 rings and Kobe couldnt sniff 50 wins without MVPau and Bynumite. Kobe is easiy the most over rated player of the generation and was absolutely toxic his last 4 seasons. He wasnt much better than a TMac or Carter, tbh.
Barry, this doesn't make sense. You spend the whole video bringing up stats and "analytics" as your argument for most of these choices (Kareem over mcadoo, Nash over Lebron etc.), but then throw all of that out the window with your final entry. I'm not saying that you need to be either "stats guy" or "eye test guy" but maybe a bit more consistency in your arguments would be nice. Why does the eye test work for lebron over harden but not rose over lebron. Also, I would think Brady would be your guy since his current success seems to due to his advanced stats rather than the eye test. Unless all of this doesn't matter and you secretly are a Brady fan and just love the rise it gets out of people. Other than tha, love your sense of humor and your video are entertaining.
Barry's opinions are based on his emotions. He decides how he feels about a player and then works backwards from there, using certain stats when it makes a player look good and ignoring stats when it makes them look bad and the other way around if it's somebody he hates. So hypocritical.
His takes on Brady are by far the most accurate takes. You can tell that he has researched and studied them in detail. his nba takes? Not so much, largely because it covers large topics, and quick looks.
@@jackwilson5152 His Brady takes are still over-exaggerated. Like the check downs. Brady does throw a lot of them, but he also throws a lot of deep balls. Accurately too. And he complains about Brady throwing to a receiver that’s open/wide open. That’s why you run plays that give you those situations. It’s more than just calling a play to call it. It’s about reading the defense and making the adjustments as you see fit to get those open looks. I still enjoy his rants on Brady though, he’s extremely funny.
Big fan Barry but Derrick absolutely deserved mvp. No ones numbers were significantly greater, he led his team to #1 and did it without key players for a large amount of the season. Also at 22…definition of Mvp
Barry indicates that the MVP should be the best and most valuable player on the best team. He said MIA scoring with LeBron on court was +6 while Bulls with Rose on court was +2. Also, he said (to your argument) Rose did not carry that team by any means.
0:00 1960’s: Bill Russell over Wilt Chamberlin 2:42 1970s: Wes Unseld 3:48 Dave Cowins 4:20 Kareem Abdual Jabar 5:21 1989 Magic Johnson 5:57 1990 Magic Johnson 6:28 1993 Charles Barkley 7:03 1997 Karl Malone (Regular Season Award) 8:20 2001 Allen Iverson 9:05 2006 Steve Nash 9:53 2008 Kobe Bryant 10:29 2011 Derrick Rose 11:09 2018 James Harden
The way I think the media looks at mvps is 1. Who is the most liked or best brand from the mvp candidates. 2. Who is the most historic.3. Who has the best recorded. With these thing being in mind I think I can understand every mvp winner and can even say they deserved them.
I disagree with almost half these picks. For ex. You said that Alan iverson was a shot chucker and had the same record as the lakers; but you made the argument that Shaq had better stats and adv stats. But then you said that 2018 lebron should have won the mvp over harden because of style of play ( I don’t think that’s a good argument) and he carried a ass team to the finals… that’s literally the same season that iverson had and the same circumstances. I understand you want to stand out in the RUclips space , but put more thought and research into your videos; Otherwise you’re just another skip bayless.
A lot of people at the time felt Rose didn't deserve it, and when you look strictly at the numbers you can see there point, but they were still wrong To be clear I didn't like a thing about Rose's game at the time. He was a shoot first slashing point guard who I felt would have made a better shooting guard. He wasn't a threat from 3 which was a weakness that I felt was unforgivable in starting point guards, I still feel that to this day. His assist all came from obvious passes created by his athleticism, and he didn't show any ability to run a complex offense. And his defense was nonexistent Despite all that, what he did for that Bulls team was undeniable, they weren't supposed to be where they ended up that year, and the biggest reason for that over performing Bulls team, was how unstoppable D-Rose was. A couple years later, D-Rose would go on to have a couple of near career ending injuries, which lead to some of the saddest moments in basketball But the most obvious thing that came out of that injury was the glaring truth that Chicago need prime D-Rose to have any real success, because even though he wasn't eating up a lot of there salary (he never did get to sign that big deal, if I remember right), Chicago has never even come close to that level of success from since they lost D-Rose, current season include With that said, I disagree with almost all of your picks, I can go into a similar level of detail for all of them. But I love this video, thanks for the content, really appreciate it!
Gotta say Derrick rose while he may or may not have deserved mvp, holds a special place in my heart, and it feels like we were robbed of something magical with him being injured. In retrospect its fitting to get him that mvp, at the least to just give him some hardware for the incredible person and player he is
Only LeBron stans think he should’ve won the 2011 MVP despite having Wade and Bosh while Rose had (drumroll) Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, and Luol Deng…
@@ParagonGorilla Exactly. It’s not the “who was the best player this year” award, it’s the “who was the most valuable player this year” award. Rose was more valuable
@@ParagonGorilla he had 2 players on his team averaging above 15 points per with a center averaging 10 and 9.8 he had the more balanced team I aint saying lebron should've won but lets not lie now
@@jaybird1381 lol, only lebron haters dont think this. theres no objective argument. only feelings against him 2011. unless you failed pre school maths class.
This video is basically "box score determines mvp" which it doesn't. Claiming that players were lazy is also a stupid statement. If anything, I trust the players over the media and fans any day since they are the ones to face each other and therefore know who their toughest opponent was. Specifically on Bill Russell, the players just realised his intangible value to a team and how he and Red Auerbach almost singlehandedly made 7 other HoF players.
you know nothing about D rose, that man was a legend and his injury was a worse tragedy than 9/11. Those people may have dropped 50 stories, but D rose dropped 50 every other game. Dont you dare talk about D rose like that.
To be fair, the sixers team was good defensively, but ai absolutely carried them on offense. His offensive carry-job, in my opinion, excuses the sub-par efficiency since the opposing team focused on guarding ai.
Russ lead the NBA in VORP, BPM and PER that year. His season BPM was (at the time) the highest ever by a player not named Jordan, LeBron, Curry or (David) Robinson. He deserved it. And even if you can make a case for someone else, choosing Westbrook over them wasn't egregious.
I understand giving the NBA MVP to the MVP of a successful team (made the playoffs, top 3 or 4 team in the division) but doesn't necessarily have to be the team that had the most wins. In the past, the team with the most wins in preseason doesn't win the championship as much as you'd think
I think you could give it to D rose considering he lead his team to a better record despite loads of injuries to his teammates. However LeBron did have a more impressive season but failed to have a record better than bulls
The year rose “stole” it from lebron, Wade averaged 26/5/6 2 steals and 2 block shooting 50% from the field in the playoffs averaged 25/4/7 2 steals and 1.3 blocks on 49% shooting. In the finals Wade averaged 27/7/5 2 steals and 2 blocks on 55% shooting. Lebron wasted dwyane wades final AMAZING season, don’t ever forget that. D rose deserved that mvp
If you’re gonna bring up playoff stats, why not show how LeBron completely outplayed Rose in the ECF? Also, did you ignore how the Heat suffered more with LeBron off the court than the Bulls with Rose off the court? That tells you all you need to know
@@stopplzs why didn’t you also bring up how Wade averaged 30/7/5 2 steals 1 block and on 53% shootin against the Celtics which was the first series lebron beat them in.
You also didn’t mention game 2 2011 finals Wade had 36/6/5 3 steals ONE TURNOVER the ENTIRE game shot 65% from the field. I will repeat that in case you read it wrong HE PLAYED 42 minutes had 36/6/5 and had ONE TURNOVER THE ENTIRE GAME ON 65% SHOOTING. I’m the 4th Wade score 9 points which was half the teams points and lebron was 0/4 from the field 0/2 from the ft line with 2 points…the game was decided by two points btw :|……… game 4 Wade shoots 62% has 2 turnovers the whole game has 32/6…lebron for the game was 8/7/9 4 turnovers 2 in the 4th quarter on 27% shooting for the game…the game was decided by 3 points…..name me the teammate d rose has that could do all that…I’ll wait
@@josh0253 part of me has always thought that LeBron threw the series because it was obvious Wade was going to be FMVP. Either way, whether he threw the series or just had an epic choke job, it's still really bad lmao.
The AI MVP is atrociously bad. 42% field goal shooting is horrendous. At that point your points per game are irrelevant... you could average 70 points a game and it wouldn't mean anything. And btw the run the sixers had that year in the playoffs was sooo insanely lucky. In general a lot of things have to fall into for a team to win their conference and or championship, but on multiple occasions the difference between the sixers winning or losing was a monkey fart combined with multiple random/lucky breaks. and luck is very much the accurate word. If you could spin that season a million times, I theorize just one of those times the sixers win and as fate would have it that's what happened.
I like your content but your a casual and obviously didn’t watch Drose that season he led the bulls too the best record in the league with mainly defensive players and being manly the only offensive threat on the team. Now I love Lebron he’s my favorite player of all time but, too say he deserved mvp over drose is just foolish, besides he had 2 other hof caliber players on his team in bosh and wade and not too mention a prime wade like cmon no way he deserved that over Rose. No matter how you look it at you can’t be a mvp with another top 3 player on ur team. And to add to all of that Drose bulls had the better record as well, the mvp doesn’t go to the best statistical season it goes to the “MOST VALUABLE PLAYER” Bulls also swept the heat in the regular season. Of course Lebron is the better player and had a better statistic season but that’s not what the award means.
What? Harden is a flopper and so you dont like him (completely agree). But you love james. Hes the king of flopping. You also said harden like Tom Brady gets worse in the playoffs. Pretty sure when you got more superbowl rings than fingers on one hand you do pretty well in playoffs. Brady has like every playoff record practically and i dont mean longevity records. Like greatest single game this type records
11:45 look man, i agreed with everything you said except 06 for lebron. Id give the slight edge to the smush parker kobe bryant lakers. That being said, tom brady has the most SB wins for a qb, period. Maybe hes not as productive in the post season but TB12≠Harden. Harden doesnt have a single piece of team hardware period. You can hate tb12 but hes not harden. Not in any single way. Harden couldnt lead water through a straw
Couldn’t have said it any better. I agreed with half his takes but that 2006 szn definitely belonged to Kobe. 2008 was a toss up but to say Kobe didn’t deserve that is blasphemous although Cp3 was deserving of it as well. Comparing harden to TB is a crime as harden is nowhere near the same guy TB is career wise as TB has 7 chips while Harden is still fighting to lead any of his teams to a nba finals appearance. Plus when harden did get to that stage in 2012, he was an arguable reason why they lost in that finals and wasn’t even the third best player on his team that series. Dude went to a Miami strip club rather than staying focused, TB would never 💀.
AI definitely deserved that 2001 MVP over SHAQ. I mean SHAQ had KOBE averaging 28 pts on his side while AI had none. At the end of the day, it's not all about stats and advanced stats y'know.
What a great video. Comparing the box score of two players to see who is more valuable😂. Thank god we have this guy repeating the numbers cause we couldnt check at basketball-reference and make a simmilar dumb comparison like this dude.
@@tysnyder7474 Unless their supporting cast directly impacted how good their stats look on that paper, which is the thing overlooked by morons like this content creator
The MVP is exactly that. Most valuable player…not necessary the best player in the league. Considering what D Rose did with Chicago he deserved it. Lebron is a flog
Gotta say, I’m very surprised that Russ’ MVP season wasn’t on here, given what you’ve said about Russ in a past video (Edit: I think Russ deserved it that year, I’m just surprised Barry didn’t put it on the list considering what he’s said about Russ in the past)
harden really did deserve it that year, it's just a pity that the narrative of Durant leaving, Russell carrying the team with forced triple doubles and not even being one of the best teams in the NBA, got him that award... After he won, everyone knew harden would get it the next year, robbing somebody else which was LeBron.
Say what you will about Russ now, but he lead the NBA in VORP, BPM and PER that year. In fact, his season BPM was (at the time) the highest ever by a player not named Jordan, LeBron, Curry or (David) Robinson. He deserved it. And even if you can make a case for someone else, choosing Westbrook over them wasn't egregious.
@@cobrallama6236 that was the only he lead on Harden which is individual advanced metrics meanwhile Harden overcome Westbrook in WS and WS per 48 meaning Harden help his team more than Russ as an individual. And the reason why Russ stats we're so inflated is because of his 41.7 usage rate the highest in NBA history (if u want to make a historic stats to praise Russ make sure to involved his historic usage rate too)
As a Cavs fan, thank you so much for that LeBron over Harden 2018 MVP pick!! LeBron was miles ahead of Harden in everything except for winning record. You take LeBron off of that team and you get the Cavs team we have seen every year after he left, except for this year (yay!). They gave it to Harden because Russell got the one last year, so they were forced. LeBron could've honestly won every year, but they have to give other players a chance. At 37 years old, he is still putting up numbers we have never seen before.
@@asan5285 are you crazy? 🤣🤣 Look at him now, he can’t even score without getting his free throws. At least LeBron knows how to play basketball the right way. I think everyone would’ve taken Lebron over Harden on their team that year, every year before and every year since. Harden is a fucking joke!
I’m a Lebron fan probably the biggest one on planet Earth but in all honestly there’s no way Lebron deserved mvp over Harden Lebrons team only won 50 games in a weak eastern conference while Hardens team won 65 games in a stake western conference with the best team of all time playing in that conference and Harden averaged 30 points that year which lead the league in points that year as a Lebron fan I have to be honest all argument for Lebron winning mvp in 2018 over Harden is laughable
That Harden to Brady comparison couldn't be more wrong. Brady has more championships then any NFL team and Harden took a noise dive once the foul rule changes came into place. Harden hasn't and may never win while Brady is one of the most winning athletes in all of sports.
Wilt’s teams usually had no one else. He was a stats hog. Throw the ball to Wilt. Also played a big part of his career agains short, unathletic, part-time janitors. Part of being the MVP is (or at least should be) helping your team attain overall success.
@@tj5180 No he didn't. Dirk was better at every single advanced stats than Nash. Plus the Mavs won 6 more games than the Suns and Dirk played more minutes and games than Nash.
Top 10 worst NBA DPOY winners LeBron imo LeBron deserved it on 08 and 13 Gasol and KG won it in 08 KG had a better all around team and defensive team than LeBron and in 13 Gasol didn’t even make NBA defensive first team while LeBron did and Gasol had the better defensive team while LeBron was carrying a hurt knees DWade and Blood clot injury prone Bosh
Remove Allen iverson from that 2001 sixers team and remove shaq from the lakers and try to convince me shaq was more valuable… it’s mvp not best player award
2018 Lebron led harden in literally every category except points. They just wanted to give harden the MVP because they gave it to someone else when he averaged 36
I hate when people use things like MVPs as a measure in ranking players. There is no standard consistent criteria they use and who is to know what kind of biases some voters have. it was player voted pre 1980 and media writer voted post 1980 so it's not even the same types voting on it through NBA history. Ultimately, things like MVP change nothing about what a player did or did not do on the floor. They change nothing about what impact a player had on wins and losses. Too often I see people arguing over players and one goes "but my guy has more MVPs" and I always laugh.
they should be considered in rankings, but you look at a player’s consistency and production on a year to year basis to judge players. Even tho Nash has more MVPs than shaq and Kobe. Everyone knows Kobe and shaq had alottt of better seasons than nash mvp seasons
@@reggie7408 "Everyone knows Kobe and shaq had alottt of better seasons than nash mvp seasons" By your own logic there would be no reason to consider those MVPs in the rankings then.
@@tj5180 The Finals MVP award did not lessen anything Steph actually did on the floor. Just like it did not enhance anything Iggy did on the floor. The voters decided for their own reasons to give it to Iggy. These awards don't make someone better or worse as an actual player.
Honestly, if it wasn't DRose who deserved it in 2011, then Dwight deserved it. Lebron just had way too much help in 2011 for everyone to quickly forgive
Should’ve been named “Bill Russell shouldn’t have won his MVP’s” lol
Yall think stats is the only part of the game and think Russell didn't deserve it 😂🤣
@@tj5180 and you think rings are the only part of the game and think he deserved it
@@tj5180 it’s a regular season award and most players hated Wilt so they didn’t give it to him
@@russellpo7758 why did they hate wilt ? 🤔
@@tj5180 probably a combination of him being so dominant and his cocky personality on and off the field
Even though it’s NBA MVPS, I’m surprised Barry didn’t put Tom Brady.
Tom Brady motivated Bill Russell to get his rings.
He also taught MJ and Kobe their “killer mentality” as part of his TB12 package (prices starting at $9999.99)
I mean he put him in the same category as Harden at the end there, he certainly made sure to still rail on Brady lol
Wow, a Celtics team that had inferior offensive numbers having the best record in the league? Must have had some amazing defense. Wonder if Bill Russell played for them?
@Lighthouse in the Storm he was also a coach. People forget that part. He was coaching and playing at that level while leading a lacking offense to 60+ win seasons.
Normally I agree with a lot of this guys points but he's wrong about Bill Russell.
True you could say that, but Bill Russell's teammates weren't as awful as Wilt's teammates. If you use context to show defensive importance, then it's only fair to use context to prove offensive importance of Wilt Chamberlain. Without Bill, Celtics would still be a great team in their era, while without Wilt, the Warriors, and later on the Lakers, would've been a far worse team in comparison.
@@johngrimm2074 Wilt still had multiple hall of famers like Nate Thurmond, Gail Goodrich, Billy Cunningham, etc. and in Bill's final year, Wilt joined the Lakers who had just made the NBA finals and lost to Russell. In Russell's final year, it should've been easy for Wilt to win, but Russell was just the better basketball player and willed his team to victory. Wilt was the first great stat padder, didn't really care if they lost but more so if he dropped 40
@@idk5916 you're comparing those three to these eight, Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Tom Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Sam Jones, Frank Ramsey, and John Havlicek.
If you consider Wilt is a Statpadder, then what do you consider Westbrook? One chases stats because he wants to, while the other has to have high stats in order to get into the playoffs. You figure out which is which, and tell me how Wilt is a statpadder in all sense of the word.
Also keep telling the world that Russell is the better player, someday someone might get fooled and join you in your nonsense.
@@johngrimm2074 I consider Westbrook a stat padder, idk why you're bringing him up tbh. Teammates and coaches said Wilt chose stats over winning. And I listed 4 total players and mentioned Wilt joining with the Lakers who had West and Baylor and JUST made the NBA finals. Imagine if after KD went to the Warriors Cleveland still won, that's exactly what happened then Here's more HOF Wilt played with, Guy Rodgers, Al Attles, and Hal Greer. So I guess it's those 9 vs Russel's 8. Wilt was 4-5 in game 7s while Russell was 10-0. The year after Wilt left the 76ers, they went 55-27. Clearly, those teams were talented and didn't need Wilt to get to the playoffs. And in his last year with the 76ers, after being up 3-1 he's in game 7 against Russell's Celtics, he goes 4 for 9 from the field and 6 of 15 from the line resulting in 14 points. That's why he's not Russell's level, even teams or even when Wilt had the better team, Russell still won because he knew how and was willing to do whatever he could to win
As a LeBron fan, Derrick Rose deserved dat MVP in 2011. No his stats weren’t better than Bron’s but they were definitely MVP worth stats. Rose didn’t entirely carried the Bulls but offensively he definitely did, let alone Bron had Wade and Bosh and was still able to get the Bulls more wins then the superteam Heat
Also the Bulls were missing Joekim Noah and Carlos Boozer for a large portion of the season. Derrick Rose still help team have the best record in the NBA despite those injuries.
Respect this comment
100% agree
dwight deserved it
Ya Barry certified casual for not recognizing this
“A Boston player getting overrated due to team success, never seen that before” 🤣🤣🤣 that was too damn funny
I don't think I've ever been so entertained by someone else's opinion and yet I've watched all your videos at least twice
one of the most snide mf on YT
Nice way of calling all his other videos unentertaining 🤣
Only reason Bill Russell had that many HOF teammates is because they had rings he literally made them go to the HOF
no not realy
Absolutely 💯 he's the on player on those teams who could start today
@@zabban so you're saying someone like K. C. Jones would have been a HoF player on any other team he played? Sure buddy. Bill is the only reason he, and several others are in the HoF.
You mean along with Cousy, Sam Jones and Havlicek. Russell had at least three legitimate HOF teammates. Cousy was an MVP prior to Russell and the best passer in the league, Sam Jones was Mr. Clutch, and Hondo won two championships after Russell along with leading the Celtics to a 68 win regular season.
@@MarkAtTrees Sam jones, Tom Heinsonh, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Bill Sharman are all legitimate hall of famers
When talking about Nash, you forgot to mention he was in the 50-40-90 club. That type of shot efficiency really makes a difference.
That’s like saying Steve Ker is the best 3-point shooter ever because he has the highest career 3pt% even tho he only shot like 3 shots a game. Efficiency on higher Volume matters more than just the percentage it’s self.
@@KingpinCarlito that’s not even close
To the same. Kerr on average scored what 6 ppg 😂
@@KingpinCarlito Nash was shooting regularly, far more than Kerr was...
@@KingpinCarlito Steve Kerr wasn’t even an all star. You just know who he is because he’s the coach of the Warriors.
@@KingpinCarlito 50-40-90 on 18ppg is very very good what are you talking about
Grading number 2 draft picks in the nba would be hilarious (because he could make fun of KD again 😂) Barry, if you’re reading this, that triggering video you made was legendary
Most number 2 picks are bust
@@eldonchef1754 >Jokic
@@cant8468 pick 41
@Fries I’d personally give him a B. He was a standout in the NBA who made 7 all-star games and 5 all-NBA teams. At one point, He was said to be the best power forward in the league during his time with the blazers. He’s a not champion, and hasn’t won any major awards, but he definitely stood out in the league! Way more than Andrea Bargnani
Excellent video Barry. Idea for another one: worst Heisman Trophy winners of all time.
Yes please. Lets get this video made
If I remember correctly from Twitter he doesn’t like college football too much
Yes
Worst Heisman has to be Jason White over Adrian Peterson
Easily Mark Ingram.
I dont get why noone talks how dirk could of won 06 mvp. He led a mavs team to 60 wins and only had 4th seed cause of division playoff rules.
That's right, I remember the division winners got the top 3 seeds. And the Clippers and the Grizzlies both tried to "out-suck" each other to draw the Nuggets in the first round.
@@dusk6159 kobe had just as much of a case as dirk and lebron, I'd say a better case than lebron but worse case than dirk. Unless you're hyper focused on the lakers 45 wins and disregarding all context, like how it's only 5 wins less than lebron with comparable teammates in a much superior conference (cavs had a better record but lakers played better against their competition via srs), unless that is what you're doing, i don't see how you can count kobe completely out of the race but keep lebron in
@@kenan-b problem is team wins is the biggest factor, hence why giannis beat bron couple years ago. just a fw wins too in easier conf
@@khalidahmed-qq1qw Giannis won because he was better all across the board and his team had a better record
Kobe averaged 35 5 and 5 he definitely should have won that season he got Robbed fs he should have at least like 3 or 4 mvps.
You can’t continuously talk about “advanced stats” (which you never talk about specifically) and then say that any of Nash’s MVPs were questionable
Yeah you can. Nash wasn't at the top of any advanced stat category for either of those wins. In basically all of them he was in the 5-10 range at best
@@shepardice3775 nash led the league in TS% and AST% in 06 alone. do you just blatantly lie on the internet for fun or what?😂
@@sbnpouipnbt2614 Oh I thought you meant stats that were _useful_ lol. MVP isn't decided by TS% or AST% unless you have to split hairs between basically 2 literally identical candidates.
In 05 Nash was: 17th in PER, 8th in WS/48, 11th in BPM, 19th in VORP.
In 06: 14th in PER, 10th in WS/48, 16th in BPM, 17th in VORP.
So I did lie - I overestimated him. If we're using advanced stats these are TERRIBLE for an MVP. In nearly every other year the MVP is top 10 in all of these at least, though usually top 5 if not #1 in all 4.
@@shepardice3775 per is not a good stat and neither is vorp… why not use RAPTOR or LEBRON😭 or even auPM, stop using those outdated and useless numbers😂
@Fries yeah he deserved both, the best creator, passer, ceiling raiser, and most efficient player in the league he deserved it
“But the revisionist history that Rose carried the Bulls by himself is ludicrous” The fact that you’re saying he DIDN’T carry them by himself is the true revisionist history here. I am willing to admit that Rose may have had the worst MVP season out of everyone in the 2010s, however that is only comparing him to other MVPs. He absolutely deserved MVP that year. He was the only player top 10 in both PPG & Assists. The Bulls had a new signing in Boozer miss 21 games, our starting C in Noah miss 34 games, and yet we still had the best record in the entire league. Mix all that with the fact that Miami underperformed to their expectations in the regular and Rose was playing in a unprecedented way, and he absolutely deserved MVP. He truly checked all the boxes for every criteria people use to gauge what an MVP season is.
and the only reason I say Rose may have had the worst MVP season of the 2010s is because he didn’t have an individual month/stretch of outstanding statistical dominance like every other MVP did. He maintained steady great production over time. But that is the only thing I would say that keeps him lower than every other. Steph & Lebron are the only other MVPs to lead their teams to more wins, and they had far more help than he did
01 iverson situation where they can't do it without his offense but he can't do it without their defense, a perfect mixture tbh. 11 is probably the weakest year in the modern era as far as mvp caliber seasons but rose definitely deserved it
his on/off wasnt that great they were fine without him. Compared to Bron, theres just no argument. theres not one objective way toprove he did more.
@@khalidahmed-qq1qw see here we go with the advanced stats & disregarding logic. you think the Bulls without Rose, having Luol Deng as the best player & missing Noah/Boozer for 50 combined games would have fared better across a season than Miami with Wade & Bosh?
Nah this guy is fr a LeBron fanboy. I respect LeBron and I like this guy's videos but man the criteria he used with DRose is ridiculous
although i disagree with everything this guy says, i love that he has unpopular opinions that he can some what prove
How can the wilt nba mvp snubs in 1961 and 1962 not be the greatest nba mvp snubs of all time lol
Yes even if i may not agree with him he has takes to make it debatable
Lebron's 2018 whole baskeball run (regular and post season) is the best brand of basketball I've ever seen in my short life. I remember that everyday there was a crazy highlight of a Lebron block, assist or clutch shot.
And it was completely disregarded because he got swept by the Warriors🙄 he should've won the MVP that year, it wasn't even close
@@scoutalejan8259 it wasnt even close? it clearly was. lebron placed 4th in the weak ass east while harden was 1st in the tought west
@@scoutalejan8259 Lebum Stan spotted 😂
@@magicjohnson5733 Harden was on a team surrounded by talent, pretty sure that the Rockets would've still made it to the playoffs if it was just Chris Paul and all those role players🤷🏽♂️
Can't say the same about the Cavs, Lebron was the only reason why they even made it to the playoffs, it's not just stats, it's team value
Even as a LeBron fan how can you not say his 2013 Miami isn’t isn’t better, you know back when he actually played defense
Add Embiid to this if there’s a redux
- a 6ers fan
Joker never won a ring and MVP. He gladly took that mvp lost(finally made it to the finals)
Wilt really deserved to have more MVPs especially during the 60's
Thats just cause the award was different back there, if it wasnt he'd have at least 6 mvps more
@UCWt7tNb6H1kojXFlKiWDVCQ agreed. He is the most winningest player, can't really take that away from him
@@calebbrown5127 casuals claim russell had HOF teams but they werent doing shit before he came to the league and after he retired
@@tj5180 agreed. It usually takes 5 or 6 years after someone retires to see how good they actually were
@@tj5180 well, im guessing when russell retired most of his teammates already had, considering he played for a long time, also nobody is saying russell wasnt good, they say he wasnt as good as wilt
Love the list, only thing I disagree on is the Brady hate. I agree Lebron has been snubbed of a couple MVP's, and partially due to voter fatigue (MJ faced the same thing).
No Lebron won the right amount of MVPs, the only other years you can argue is 2006 and 2011, and regardless of what he says the right person won both of those.
@@leonzaduncan2438 No, LeBron has been snubbed of MVP's. If you argue that the right person won in 2006 and 2011 you did not watch those Seasons.
James made those Rose voters happy in the finals that year😂....🌹>👑
@@leonzaduncan2438
There’s no way LeBron wasn’t better than Rose in 2011. He was at his prime
@@Jonathan-A.C. the year he choke against Dallas?
Steve Nash literally made those suns teams work. They were awful when he was on the bench or injured
Shouldnt have won MVP at all Kobe should have Won MVP he averaged 35 5 and 5 how do you not win mvp, nash averaged 18 4 11 like it wasnt close Lebron did better that season too.
@@tfromcali89 And what did any of those players achieve without Steve Nash?
@@tfromcali89 😆 Shaq? He held the Suns back during his time there.
Magic johnson's last 2 mvps are an absolute disgrace to the sport. Jordan deserved them clearly. All that to tie magic's mvps to bird's. Bird had 3 consecutive unquestionable mvps
They forgot about Kobe. Him and Shaq didn't get Magic treatment in LA
Bro this guys trying to compare Shaq and AI’s shooting percentage???? The shot selection is so different you can’t put those numbers up against each other, Zion has like 70% for a reason
Facts
The fact that this guy hates Tom Brady and loves Lebron makes zero sense to me lol
Fr.
Makes perfect sense to me, Lebrons and Bradys careers are not similar at all
They are both overrated, that has their leagues cater to them more than any players in their leagues history. They have also had the refs on their side, (especially LeBron) more than any players. They both win only when they have insanely stacked teams. They both made a career on simple plays, like Brady throwing quick little passes and LeBron just travel trucking to the hoop. But at least Brady doesn't cry alot, and do fake hate crimes against himself like little bron bron does.
@@jackwilson5152 ok, I get it, you don't know basketball
@@ATICrossX if I didn't know Basketball than I would not have stated the facts that I stated. Are you seriously trying to say that LeBron doesn't travel to the hoop alot? Like him or not, you can't deny what i stated.
2011 Bulls team without Rose wasn't the first seed, Rose made more of an impact on the bulls then LeBron did with the heat
Dwight howard was also above lebron in voting
That is quite literally a lie
@@Abbad1579 goofy
@@carenthusiasts4119 Nope. The bulls had a +6.6 net rating in 2011 with rose on the bench
The argument for Bill not deserving the MVP because it was voted by “lazy” players doesn’t make sense.
Wilt literally won MVP the season before Bills first. And Wilt won 3 straight after his true prime.
@Slywerk Gotta remember that Barry is a LeBron fan and NFL fan. Stats matter the most by far. And he doesn’t really use context for his nba opinions.
its cope, barry only looks at box scores and ignores Bill's insane defensive impact.
I mean u can’t lie russel didn’t deserve mvp in 62
You’re drunk if you think D Rose didn’t deserve MVP for the way he carried the Bulls.
He didn't. And this isn't the first list I've seen of Rose's MVP being overrated.
@@ariefraiser140 Really don’t care.
@@SYMShutYoMouth fraud rose mvp lol
@@SYMShutYoMouth wym Rose carried the bulls to a 🏆 or a 500 Record every year ? 😆
12:08 harden may have averaged 3 more points but he shot an entire 10 percent worst than Lebron and they shot the same percentage from three. Harden played 10 less games as Lebron played a full season in his 15th season. Lebron averaged more rebounds assists and blocks
harden played better defense than lebron in that year too
@@asan5285 😂😂
While I don’t inherently disagree with some of these, throwing out advanced stats to show why MVPs in the 60s and 70s show why a player should have gotten the MVP when those stats weren’t a thing back then isn’t being fair.
Agreed
IT WAS A GOOD VIDEO, BUT A LITTLE STRANGE THAT EVERYTHING THAT YOU TALKED ABOUT REGARDING JAMES HARDEN REF BAITING AND FLOPPING IS ALL A HUGE PART OF LEBRON JAMES GAME
Harden is much worse when it comes to flopping and baiting, that is why he struggles much more than bron in the post season
Man said Brady gets worse in the Playoffs like he hasn’t won 7 SBs😂
He does get worse in the playoffs though. He has more wins with 3 interceptions than Rodgers has with 3 touchdown passes. Doesn't that say something?
I’m a patriots fan and I will tell you this. Only season Tom Brady impressed me was in 2007. After that it’s been like this weird urge for him to play that style and it’s just been nothing but dink and dunks ever since that season (or if you want to get technical it’s when he torn his acl). I mean yeah he throws the ball deep here and there but that’s really it. Most his yards come from Yac and I think Barry has a video about it somewhere but Don’t get me wrong, Tom Brady is a great football player but he is highly overrated. He has been around fantastic teams his whole career.
(I’m a pistons and patriots fan but only reason I am is because I love defense and growing up in the 00s these were the best defensive teams at the time and was never really a Brady fan.)
As a patriots fan I just hate how our defense is never mentioned or even brought up when talking about the patriots dynasty. It’s always about Brady
@@WarrenJr1996 Thank you
Rings are team accomplishments. I look at Tom beating the Rams in the SB. We certainly wouldn’t say that needing to score 4 points to win is an entirely difficult obstacle, his defense did the bulk of the work. You just can’t tell me half the top QBs in the league switch out Brady and can’t score 4 points. We give Tom a ring for that one but have to realize he played just ok that game but his team overall played well enough to win.
@@WarrenJr1996 wow a non biased intelligent Patriots fan. We need more like you. Brady is overrated
One more thing you didn't include on the MJ MVP awards, is that MJ was also the best guard defender in the league while leading the scoring 10x times
But they claim he was just a scorer
MJ was a monster at steals, people tend to forget that because of his freakish abilities on offense.
MJ was a defensive monster but I personally think Gary Payton was the better defender, and is also probably the best defensive guard ever
@@firedfly5143 MJ won DPOY in '88. He was just more focused on offense. GP was a defensive minded player and his main focus was that.
@@moz310 Yeah, I did say that MJ was a defensive monster, but since he didn't really focus too much energy on defence, I still think GP was a better defender, as a scorer, of course Jordan is miles ahead of anybody else
Lebron can’t be more valuable then Derrick rose when he has less wins with a d wade and bosh while d rose led a team to the best record with injuries to Noah and boozer
Keith bogans > d wade
Put D Rose on the Heat and they wouldn’t have went to the finals. Also Bosh wasn’t even that good, he was basically like Kevin Love, he played on a really bad team which made him look good, but once he played next to LeBron and Wade it exposed him as not really being the super elite player he was propped up to be.
@@TheRealAbraxas we found the child. It’s funny watching people talk about stuff they didn’t see or know nothing about with such confidence
@@TheRealAbraxas Kevin love had to completely change his game. He when from a back to the basket big getting plenty of touches to the third opinion and changing his game to a stretch 4 because kyrie runs point and bron needs the ball. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about
@@dusk6159 bosh is still a better rim defender than love
Derrick Rose scored or assisted on 60% of the Bulls field goals that entire season. The Bulls were 1 seed over the Heat and their second best player was Boozer. Their starting 2 guard scored single digit averages and worst in assists. You telling me Rose wasn't as good as Lebron that season???
Yes
@@poly_g6068 troll
LBJ scored more points and averaged about the same assists. He did so on better efficiency from the floor. You understand the Bulls were a defensive juggernaut that year, right? Rose was the worst defender on that team.
@@jacoblee5796 Lebron, Wade, Bosh (Miller Bibby Stackhouse) =#2
Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Bogans (4ppg starting guard....) =#1 seed in the playoffs.
Get off Lebron's dick
No Derrick Rose Slander he deserve that MVP end of discussion
- Management
saw drose and knew i wouldn’t like the video🙁 still gonna watch it tho
MJ and LBJ should have way more MVPs. Kobe should have ZERO….
MJ probably should have had the first unanimous MVP but Lebron certainly should have had it even though 1 voter in NY thought Carmelo was…
Facts. Kobe never did anything without having a top Big Man carrying him.
Shaq piggy backed Kobe to his first 3 rings and Kobe couldnt sniff 50 wins without MVPau and Bynumite.
Kobe is easiy the most over rated player of the generation and was absolutely toxic his last 4 seasons.
He wasnt much better than a TMac or Carter, tbh.
Y'all tripping Kobe should have 3
That 2006 mvp he shouldve had and take out his actual mvp.
W
Barry, this doesn't make sense. You spend the whole video bringing up stats and "analytics" as your argument for most of these choices (Kareem over mcadoo, Nash over Lebron etc.), but then throw all of that out the window with your final entry.
I'm not saying that you need to be either "stats guy" or "eye test guy" but maybe a bit more consistency in your arguments would be nice. Why does the eye test work for lebron over harden but not rose over lebron.
Also, I would think Brady would be your guy since his current success seems to due to his advanced stats rather than the eye test.
Unless all of this doesn't matter and you secretly are a Brady fan and just love the rise it gets out of people.
Other than tha, love your sense of humor and your video are entertaining.
Barry's opinions are based on his emotions. He decides how he feels about a player and then works backwards from there, using certain stats when it makes a player look good and ignoring stats when it makes them look bad and the other way around if it's somebody he hates. So hypocritical.
@@blahblahblah8069 I guess that's why he stated that it's his video in the beginning.
He literally prefaced that entry on his bias. You shouldn’t disregard everything else for something he wasn’t serious about
His takes on Brady are by far the most accurate takes. You can tell that he has researched and studied them in detail. his nba takes? Not so much, largely because it covers large topics, and quick looks.
@@jackwilson5152 His Brady takes are still over-exaggerated. Like the check downs. Brady does throw a lot of them, but he also throws a lot of deep balls. Accurately too. And he complains about Brady throwing to a receiver that’s open/wide open. That’s why you run plays that give you those situations. It’s more than just calling a play to call it. It’s about reading the defense and making the adjustments as you see fit to get those open looks. I still enjoy his rants on Brady though, he’s extremely funny.
Big fan Barry but Derrick absolutely deserved mvp. No ones numbers were significantly greater, he led his team to #1 and did it without key players for a large amount of the season. Also at 22…definition of Mvp
Barry indicates that the MVP should be the best and most valuable player on the best team. He said MIA scoring with LeBron on court was +6 while Bulls with Rose on court was +2. Also, he said (to your argument) Rose did not carry that team by any means.
@@quiteknight50 you didn’t watch hoop that year and nor did Barry
@@imawiseman101 I'll admit I didn't, but stats tell a lot haha
@@quiteknight50 not always and the stats in this case don’t
Stats =/= impact
Stick to football
0:00 1960’s: Bill Russell over Wilt Chamberlin
2:42 1970s: Wes Unseld
3:48 Dave Cowins
4:20 Kareem Abdual Jabar
5:21 1989 Magic Johnson
5:57 1990 Magic Johnson
6:28 1993 Charles Barkley
7:03 1997 Karl Malone
(Regular Season Award)
8:20 2001 Allen Iverson
9:05 2006 Steve Nash
9:53 2008 Kobe Bryant
10:29 2011 Derrick Rose
11:09 2018 James Harden
Embiid over Jokic this year.
barry i for one am disgusted at how many black players you have included on this list, im vomiting and crying uncontrollably right now
The way I think the media looks at mvps is 1. Who is the most liked or best brand from the mvp candidates. 2. Who is the most historic.3. Who has the best recorded.
With these thing being in mind I think I can understand every mvp winner and can even say they deserved them.
I disagree with almost half these picks. For ex. You said that Alan iverson was a shot chucker and had the same record as the lakers; but you made the argument that Shaq had better stats and adv stats. But then you said that 2018 lebron should have won the mvp over harden because of style of play ( I don’t think that’s a good argument) and he carried a ass team to the finals… that’s literally the same season that iverson had and the same circumstances. I understand you want to stand out in the RUclips space , but put more thought and research into your videos; Otherwise you’re just another skip bayless.
Facts
This dude said Tom Brady gets worse in the playoffs? What is he smoking? 10 Super Bowl appearances 7 rings 5 Super Bowl
MVPs…
A lot of people at the time felt Rose didn't deserve it, and when you look strictly at the numbers you can see there point, but they were still wrong
To be clear I didn't like a thing about Rose's game at the time. He was a shoot first slashing point guard who I felt would have made a better shooting guard. He wasn't a threat from 3 which was a weakness that I felt was unforgivable in starting point guards, I still feel that to this day. His assist all came from obvious passes created by his athleticism, and he didn't show any ability to run a complex offense. And his defense was nonexistent
Despite all that, what he did for that Bulls team was undeniable, they weren't supposed to be where they ended up that year, and the biggest reason for that over performing Bulls team, was how unstoppable D-Rose was. A couple years later, D-Rose would go on to have a couple of near career ending injuries, which lead to some of the saddest moments in basketball
But the most obvious thing that came out of that injury was the glaring truth that Chicago need prime D-Rose to have any real success, because even though he wasn't eating up a lot of there salary (he never did get to sign that big deal, if I remember right), Chicago has never even come close to that level of success from since they lost D-Rose, current season include
With that said, I disagree with almost all of your picks, I can go into a similar level of detail for all of them. But I love this video, thanks for the content, really appreciate it!
Gotta say Derrick rose while he may or may not have deserved mvp, holds a special place in my heart, and it feels like we were robbed of something magical with him being injured. In retrospect its fitting to get him that mvp, at the least to just give him some hardware for the incredible person and player he is
Only LeBron stans think he should’ve won the 2011 MVP despite having Wade and Bosh while Rose had (drumroll) Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, and Luol Deng…
@@jaybird1381 fr. Rose had the worse team and still managed to win more games. He deserved it.
@@ParagonGorilla Exactly. It’s not the “who was the best player this year” award, it’s the “who was the most valuable player this year” award. Rose was more valuable
@@ParagonGorilla he had 2 players on his team averaging above 15 points per with a center averaging 10 and 9.8 he had the more balanced team I aint saying lebron should've won but lets not lie now
@@jaybird1381 lol, only lebron haters dont think this. theres no objective argument. only feelings against him 2011. unless you failed pre school maths class.
This video is basically "box score determines mvp" which it doesn't.
Claiming that players were lazy is also a stupid statement. If anything, I trust the players over the media and fans any day since they are the ones to face each other and therefore know who their toughest opponent was. Specifically on Bill Russell, the players just realised his intangible value to a team and how he and Red Auerbach almost singlehandedly made 7 other HoF players.
One reason why your favorite NBA team sucks/won’t win they championship
you know nothing about D rose, that man was a legend and his injury was a worse tragedy than 9/11. Those people may have dropped 50 stories, but D rose dropped 50 every other game. Dont you dare talk about D rose like that.
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So cool.
The same reason you would give the MVP award to James over Harden in 2018 should be the same logic used in 2001. That sixers team was god awful.
To be fair, the sixers team was good defensively, but ai absolutely carried them on offense. His offensive carry-job, in my opinion, excuses the sub-par efficiency since the opposing team focused on guarding ai.
2017 Russell Westbrook over James Harden
Russ lead the NBA in VORP, BPM and PER that year. His season BPM was (at the time) the highest ever by a player not named Jordan, LeBron, Curry or (David) Robinson. He deserved it. And even if you can make a case for someone else, choosing Westbrook over them wasn't egregious.
@@cobrallama6236 James Harden led the Rockets To 55 wins
This man is the definition of a shitpost. Congratulations Barry, Imma subscribe.
I understand giving the NBA MVP to the MVP of a successful team (made the playoffs, top 3 or 4 team in the division) but doesn't necessarily have to be the team that had the most wins. In the past, the team with the most wins in preseason doesn't win the championship as much as you'd think
So you hate Boston and Bill Russell is the Tom Brady of Basketball, fair enough.
Just a another casual who discredits players from other eras 50s and 60s
@@tj5180 he respects some players from that time, just not Russell
@@tj5180 Because they were playing against trash men and guys pumping your gas at the station
@@colonless7512 lol
You forgot 2012 lebron robbing kd, kd average more points and was more efficient and they team had better record.
Im sorry d rose deserved that mvp over lebron. He simply did more with less. Im an enormous lebron fan and i can admit that.
I think you could give it to D rose considering he lead his team to a better record despite loads of injuries to his teammates. However LeBron did have a more impressive season but failed to have a record better than bulls
@@BarryOnHere what do u mean d rose had a worse team and a better record.
You are right srsly.
@@BarryOnHere LeBron himself said D Rose deserved it. And he had a better record with a worse roster. This is your worst take ever Barry
@Sam Knight Just because a player says something doesn’t mean it’s true, KD called Kawhi a system player on the spires
It's tom brady, it's always tom brady even if it's a totally different sport😂
😂😂😂
The year rose “stole” it from lebron, Wade averaged 26/5/6 2 steals and 2 block shooting 50% from the field in the playoffs averaged 25/4/7 2 steals and 1.3 blocks on 49% shooting. In the finals Wade averaged 27/7/5 2 steals and 2 blocks on 55% shooting. Lebron wasted dwyane wades final AMAZING season, don’t ever forget that. D rose deserved that mvp
If you’re gonna bring up playoff stats, why not show how LeBron completely outplayed Rose in the ECF? Also, did you ignore how the Heat suffered more with LeBron off the court than the Bulls with Rose off the court? That tells you all you need to know
@@stopplzs why didn’t you also bring up how Wade averaged 30/7/5 2 steals 1 block and on 53% shootin against the Celtics which was the first series lebron beat them in.
You also didn’t mention game 2 2011 finals Wade had 36/6/5 3 steals ONE TURNOVER the ENTIRE game shot 65% from the field. I will repeat that in case you read it wrong HE PLAYED 42 minutes had 36/6/5 and had ONE TURNOVER THE ENTIRE GAME ON 65% SHOOTING. I’m the 4th Wade score 9 points which was half the teams points and lebron was 0/4 from the field 0/2 from the ft line with 2 points…the game was decided by two points btw :|……… game 4 Wade shoots 62% has 2 turnovers the whole game has 32/6…lebron for the game was 8/7/9 4 turnovers 2 in the 4th quarter on 27% shooting for the game…the game was decided by 3 points…..name me the teammate d rose has that could do all that…I’ll wait
@@josh0253 these would be really good arguments if the mvp wasn’t a regular season award. I applaud you for doing your research tho
@@josh0253 part of me has always thought that LeBron threw the series because it was obvious Wade was going to be FMVP. Either way, whether he threw the series or just had an epic choke job, it's still really bad lmao.
The AI MVP is atrociously bad. 42% field goal shooting is horrendous. At that point your points per game are irrelevant... you could average 70 points a game and it wouldn't mean anything. And btw the run the sixers had that year in the playoffs was sooo insanely lucky. In general a lot of things have to fall into for a team to win their conference and or championship, but on multiple occasions the difference between the sixers winning or losing was a monkey fart combined with multiple random/lucky breaks. and luck is very much the accurate word. If you could spin that season a million times, I theorize just one of those times the sixers win and as fate would have it that's what happened.
The amount of context missing with this is atrociously way worse, aswell as how dumb this take is
I like your content but your a casual and obviously didn’t watch Drose that season he led the bulls too the best record in the league with mainly defensive players and being manly the only offensive threat on the team.
Now I love Lebron he’s my favorite player of all time but, too say he deserved mvp over drose is just foolish, besides he had 2 other hof caliber players on his team in bosh and wade and not too mention a prime wade like cmon no way he deserved that over Rose.
No matter how you look it at you can’t be a mvp with another top 3 player on ur team.
And to add to all of that Drose bulls had the better record as well, the mvp doesn’t go to the best statistical season it goes to the “MOST VALUABLE PLAYER”
Bulls also swept the heat in the regular season.
Of course Lebron is the better player and had a better statistic season but that’s not what the award means.
The last one is basically about taste.
2:01 taking shots a tom brady again.
What? Harden is a flopper and so you dont like him (completely agree). But you love james. Hes the king of flopping. You also said harden like Tom Brady gets worse in the playoffs. Pretty sure when you got more superbowl rings than fingers on one hand you do pretty well in playoffs. Brady has like every playoff record practically and i dont mean longevity records. Like greatest single game this type records
I agree with you on your hatred for James harden. The only player currently in the NBA that I hate more than lebron is James harden
Bill russle want to my school 🏫
11:45 look man, i agreed with everything you said except 06 for lebron. Id give the slight edge to the smush parker kobe bryant lakers. That being said, tom brady has the most SB wins for a qb, period. Maybe hes not as productive in the post season but TB12≠Harden. Harden doesnt have a single piece of team hardware period. You can hate tb12 but hes not harden. Not in any single way. Harden couldnt lead water through a straw
Couldn’t have said it any better. I agreed with half his takes but that 2006 szn definitely belonged to Kobe. 2008 was a toss up but to say Kobe didn’t deserve that is blasphemous although Cp3 was deserving of it as well. Comparing harden to TB is a crime as harden is nowhere near the same guy TB is career wise as TB has 7 chips while Harden is still fighting to lead any of his teams to a nba finals appearance. Plus when harden did get to that stage in 2012, he was an arguable reason why they lost in that finals and wasn’t even the third best player on his team that series. Dude went to a Miami strip club rather than staying focused, TB would never 💀.
Nah D Rose earned that one, he took on prime D wade, Heat Lebron, Bosh and Allen basically by himself and won
AI definitely deserved that 2001 MVP over SHAQ. I mean SHAQ had KOBE averaging 28 pts on his side while AI had none. At the end of the day, it's not all about stats and advanced stats y'know.
Btw it's easy to "carry a team" with 2 other HOF'ers on your 5 man squad- amazing you don't call Leflop out for flopping
I don’t know shit about basketball but Barry will still somehow make it entertaining
before watching westbrook should not be on the list
What a great video. Comparing the box score of two players to see who is more valuable😂. Thank god we have this guy repeating the numbers cause we couldnt check at basketball-reference and make a simmilar dumb comparison like this dude.
The mvp ends up being the person that had the best stats on the "best" team. So ofc your gonna look at box scores
@@tysnyder7474 thats how u evaluate a player?by his box score?
@@nikoslala2111 if someone had better stats then it's pretty easy to say that they posses more value to their team
@@tysnyder7474 Unless their supporting cast directly impacted how good their stats look on that paper, which is the thing overlooked by morons like this content creator
The MVP is exactly that. Most valuable player…not necessary the best player in the league. Considering what D Rose did with Chicago he deserved it. Lebron is a flog
Gotta say, I’m very surprised that Russ’ MVP season wasn’t on here, given what you’ve said about Russ in a past video
(Edit: I think Russ deserved it that year, I’m just surprised Barry didn’t put it on the list considering what he’s said about Russ in the past)
fr. Harden deserved that MVP
harden really did deserve it that year, it's just a pity that the narrative of Durant leaving, Russell carrying the team with forced triple doubles and not even being one of the best teams in the NBA, got him that award... After he won, everyone knew harden would get it the next year, robbing somebody else which was LeBron.
Say what you will about Russ now, but he lead the NBA in VORP, BPM and PER that year. In fact, his season BPM was (at the time) the highest ever by a player not named Jordan, LeBron, Curry or (David) Robinson. He deserved it. And even if you can make a case for someone else, choosing Westbrook over them wasn't egregious.
@@cobrallama6236 that was the only he lead on Harden which is individual advanced metrics meanwhile Harden overcome Westbrook in WS and WS per 48 meaning Harden help his team more than Russ as an individual. And the reason why Russ stats we're so inflated is because of his 41.7 usage rate the highest in NBA history (if u want to make a historic stats to praise Russ make sure to involved his historic usage rate too)
@@eijisawakita1654 Still not egregious. Both were worthy.
As a Cavs fan, thank you so much for that LeBron over Harden 2018 MVP pick!! LeBron was miles ahead of Harden in everything except for winning record. You take LeBron off of that team and you get the Cavs team we have seen every year after he left, except for this year (yay!). They gave it to Harden because Russell got the one last year, so they were forced. LeBron could've honestly won every year, but they have to give other players a chance. At 37 years old, he is still putting up numbers we have never seen before.
never, harden was much better in everything, including defense
@@asan5285 are you crazy? 🤣🤣 Look at him now, he can’t even score without getting his free throws. At least LeBron knows how to play basketball the right way. I think everyone would’ve taken Lebron over Harden on their team that year, every year before and every year since. Harden is a fucking joke!
I’m a Lebron fan probably the biggest one on planet Earth but in all honestly there’s no way Lebron deserved mvp over Harden Lebrons team only won 50 games in a weak eastern conference while Hardens team won 65 games in a stake western conference with the best team of all time playing in that conference and Harden averaged 30 points that year which lead the league in points that year as a Lebron fan I have to be honest all argument for Lebron winning mvp in 2018 over Harden is laughable
@@kendrickgabriel2858 I mean James Harden had Chris Paul and some great pieces around him. The Cavs had Kevin Love and scrubs.
@@talesfromthetrip wasn’t he the GM?
That Harden to Brady comparison couldn't be more wrong. Brady has more championships then any NFL team and Harden took a noise dive once the foul rule changes came into place. Harden hasn't and may never win while Brady is one of the most winning athletes in all of sports.
9:53 I admit it.
Wilt’s teams usually had no one else. He was a stats hog. Throw the ball to Wilt. Also played a big part of his career agains short, unathletic, part-time janitors. Part of being the MVP is (or at least should be) helping your team attain overall success.
2006 MVP should've gone to Dirk.
Nash had a case as well
@@tj5180 No he didn't. Dirk was better at every single advanced stats than Nash. Plus the Mavs won 6 more games than the Suns and Dirk played more minutes and games than Nash.
Top 10 worst NBA DPOY winners LeBron
imo LeBron deserved it on 08 and 13 Gasol and KG won it in 08 KG had a better all around team and defensive team than LeBron and in 13 Gasol didn’t even make NBA defensive first team while LeBron did and Gasol had the better defensive team while LeBron was carrying a hurt knees DWade and Blood clot injury prone Bosh
Barry, we need to get a "Guide for Beginners: NBA" video. Also a possible NFL one
Remove Allen iverson from that 2001 sixers team and remove shaq from the lakers and try to convince me shaq was more valuable… it’s mvp not best player award
Is shaq even the best player? Lol his dominance is all about power, if he had iversons shot selection, his fg% would be ash
Who are your top 5 players all time.
Mine are
1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. LeBron James
4. Wilt Chamberlain
5. Magic Johnson
Barry just ended racism by taking away Nash’s mvp. What a hero
Pls stop making so much nba content make as much nfl content as possible
2018 Lebron led harden in literally every category except points. They just wanted to give harden the MVP because they gave it to someone else when he averaged 36
Harden took the rockets to 65 games when cp3 was playing like 65 games and lot of injuries on the team
Harden led in win shares and wins per 48 plus all other advanced stats. And he averaged 36 pts in 2019
Harden only led in points because he averaged 11 free throws per game.
2017 is harden's mvp for all i know
@@poly_g6068 Jordan only averaged 36 because he shot 11 fts a game
I also hate James Harden play style so I can agree with the last one.
I hate when people use things like MVPs as a measure in ranking players. There is no standard consistent criteria they use and who is to know what kind of biases some voters have. it was player voted pre 1980 and media writer voted post 1980 so it's not even the same types voting on it through NBA history.
Ultimately, things like MVP change nothing about what a player did or did not do on the floor. They change nothing about what impact a player had on wins and losses. Too often I see people arguing over players and one goes "but my guy has more MVPs" and I always laugh.
they should be considered in rankings, but you look at a player’s consistency and production on a year to year basis to judge players. Even tho Nash has more MVPs than shaq and Kobe. Everyone knows Kobe and shaq had alottt of better seasons than nash mvp seasons
@@reggie7408 "Everyone knows Kobe and shaq had alottt of better seasons than nash mvp seasons"
By your own logic there would be no reason to consider those MVPs in the rankings then.
Same thing for guys like curry where they claim he doesn't have a finals mvp but should've won it in 2015 and 2018
@@tj5180 The Finals MVP award did not lessen anything Steph actually did on the floor. Just like it did not enhance anything Iggy did on the floor. The voters decided for their own reasons to give it to Iggy. These awards don't make someone better or worse as an actual player.
@@eternalboss1046 mvps do matter
Worst mvps/players ever in general:
4.Lecramp James
3.Lebubblefraud James
2.LeChina James
1.LeSmollette James
Honorable mention-Lejacobblake James
My dad grew up in the 90's and He's still pissed how MJ didn't win more MVP than he deserved, he could've won 7 or 8.
realistically should have won almost every season he played
@@carenthusiasts4119I think he has a great argument for nearly every year except his first two, baseball return season and his Wizards run.
Bill Russell is a glorified Dennis Rodman
That is the most true statement I have ever heard
Finally, some appreciation for 2007-08 CP3, he was point GOD that year.
Who cares if ur first
Honestly, if it wasn't DRose who deserved it in 2011, then Dwight deserved it. Lebron just had way too much help in 2011 for everyone to quickly forgive
Wow MJ would’ve had 11 mvps and Lebron would’ve had 5 or 6 mvps
Barry, while I do respect and acknowledge your opinion, I strongly disagree with you on your D Rose take.
Here's, in my opinion, why: ruclips.net/video/RuQ_XzW0XBs/видео.html
@@DenniDownBad we don’t care
Howard deserved it
@@SwaggyDuck- But you replied
Bro if these were all true MJ would have been a 10 time mvp
Barry, please start doing "Top 10's" for various eras. Take the 60s-2010's. Do NFL and NBA. Even break it down to position like RBs or SG's.