Tom Brady motivated Bill Russell to get his rings. He also taught MJ and Kobe their “killer mentality” as part of his TB12 package (prices starting at $9999.99)
Wow, a Celtics team that had inferior offensive numbers having the best record in the league? Must have had some amazing defense. Wonder if Bill Russell played for them?
@Lighthouse in the Storm he was also a coach. People forget that part. He was coaching and playing at that level while leading a lacking offense to 60+ win seasons. Normally I agree with a lot of this guys points but he's wrong about Bill Russell.
True you could say that, but Bill Russell's teammates weren't as awful as Wilt's teammates. If you use context to show defensive importance, then it's only fair to use context to prove offensive importance of Wilt Chamberlain. Without Bill, Celtics would still be a great team in their era, while without Wilt, the Warriors, and later on the Lakers, would've been a far worse team in comparison.
@@johngrimm2074 Wilt still had multiple hall of famers like Nate Thurmond, Gail Goodrich, Billy Cunningham, etc. and in Bill's final year, Wilt joined the Lakers who had just made the NBA finals and lost to Russell. In Russell's final year, it should've been easy for Wilt to win, but Russell was just the better basketball player and willed his team to victory. Wilt was the first great stat padder, didn't really care if they lost but more so if he dropped 40
@@idk5916 you're comparing those three to these eight, Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Tom Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Sam Jones, Frank Ramsey, and John Havlicek. If you consider Wilt is a Statpadder, then what do you consider Westbrook? One chases stats because he wants to, while the other has to have high stats in order to get into the playoffs. You figure out which is which, and tell me how Wilt is a statpadder in all sense of the word. Also keep telling the world that Russell is the better player, someday someone might get fooled and join you in your nonsense.
@@johngrimm2074 I consider Westbrook a stat padder, idk why you're bringing him up tbh. Teammates and coaches said Wilt chose stats over winning. And I listed 4 total players and mentioned Wilt joining with the Lakers who had West and Baylor and JUST made the NBA finals. Imagine if after KD went to the Warriors Cleveland still won, that's exactly what happened then Here's more HOF Wilt played with, Guy Rodgers, Al Attles, and Hal Greer. So I guess it's those 9 vs Russel's 8. Wilt was 4-5 in game 7s while Russell was 10-0. The year after Wilt left the 76ers, they went 55-27. Clearly, those teams were talented and didn't need Wilt to get to the playoffs. And in his last year with the 76ers, after being up 3-1 he's in game 7 against Russell's Celtics, he goes 4 for 9 from the field and 6 of 15 from the line resulting in 14 points. That's why he's not Russell's level, even teams or even when Wilt had the better team, Russell still won because he knew how and was willing to do whatever he could to win
@@zabban so you're saying someone like K. C. Jones would have been a HoF player on any other team he played? Sure buddy. Bill is the only reason he, and several others are in the HoF.
You mean along with Cousy, Sam Jones and Havlicek. Russell had at least three legitimate HOF teammates. Cousy was an MVP prior to Russell and the best passer in the league, Sam Jones was Mr. Clutch, and Hondo won two championships after Russell along with leading the Celtics to a 68 win regular season.
That’s like saying Steve Ker is the best 3-point shooter ever because he has the highest career 3pt% even tho he only shot like 3 shots a game. Efficiency on higher Volume matters more than just the percentage it’s self.
As a LeBron fan, Derrick Rose deserved dat MVP in 2011. No his stats weren’t better than Bron’s but they were definitely MVP worth stats. Rose didn’t entirely carried the Bulls but offensively he definitely did, let alone Bron had Wade and Bosh and was still able to get the Bulls more wins then the superteam Heat
Also the Bulls were missing Joekim Noah and Carlos Boozer for a large portion of the season. Derrick Rose still help team have the best record in the NBA despite those injuries.
Grading number 2 draft picks in the nba would be hilarious (because he could make fun of KD again 😂) Barry, if you’re reading this, that triggering video you made was legendary
@Fries I’d personally give him a B. He was a standout in the NBA who made 7 all-star games and 5 all-NBA teams. At one point, He was said to be the best power forward in the league during his time with the blazers. He’s a not champion, and hasn’t won any major awards, but he definitely stood out in the league! Way more than Andrea Bargnani
That's right, I remember the division winners got the top 3 seeds. And the Clippers and the Grizzlies both tried to "out-suck" each other to draw the Nuggets in the first round.
@@dusk6159 kobe had just as much of a case as dirk and lebron, I'd say a better case than lebron but worse case than dirk. Unless you're hyper focused on the lakers 45 wins and disregarding all context, like how it's only 5 wins less than lebron with comparable teammates in a much superior conference (cavs had a better record but lakers played better against their competition via srs), unless that is what you're doing, i don't see how you can count kobe completely out of the race but keep lebron in
Lebron's 2018 whole baskeball run (regular and post season) is the best brand of basketball I've ever seen in my short life. I remember that everyday there was a crazy highlight of a Lebron block, assist or clutch shot.
@@magicjohnson5733 Harden was on a team surrounded by talent, pretty sure that the Rockets would've still made it to the playoffs if it was just Chris Paul and all those role players🤷🏽♂️ Can't say the same about the Cavs, Lebron was the only reason why they even made it to the playoffs, it's not just stats, it's team value
@@sbnpouipnbt2614 Oh I thought you meant stats that were _useful_ lol. MVP isn't decided by TS% or AST% unless you have to split hairs between basically 2 literally identical candidates. In 05 Nash was: 17th in PER, 8th in WS/48, 11th in BPM, 19th in VORP. In 06: 14th in PER, 10th in WS/48, 16th in BPM, 17th in VORP. So I did lie - I overestimated him. If we're using advanced stats these are TERRIBLE for an MVP. In nearly every other year the MVP is top 10 in all of these at least, though usually top 5 if not #1 in all 4.
@@shepardice3775 per is not a good stat and neither is vorp… why not use RAPTOR or LEBRON😭 or even auPM, stop using those outdated and useless numbers😂
@@tj5180 well, im guessing when russell retired most of his teammates already had, considering he played for a long time, also nobody is saying russell wasnt good, they say he wasnt as good as wilt
The way I think the media looks at mvps is 1. Who is the most liked or best brand from the mvp candidates. 2. Who is the most historic.3. Who has the best recorded. With these thing being in mind I think I can understand every mvp winner and can even say they deserved them.
“But the revisionist history that Rose carried the Bulls by himself is ludicrous” The fact that you’re saying he DIDN’T carry them by himself is the true revisionist history here. I am willing to admit that Rose may have had the worst MVP season out of everyone in the 2010s, however that is only comparing him to other MVPs. He absolutely deserved MVP that year. He was the only player top 10 in both PPG & Assists. The Bulls had a new signing in Boozer miss 21 games, our starting C in Noah miss 34 games, and yet we still had the best record in the entire league. Mix all that with the fact that Miami underperformed to their expectations in the regular and Rose was playing in a unprecedented way, and he absolutely deserved MVP. He truly checked all the boxes for every criteria people use to gauge what an MVP season is.
and the only reason I say Rose may have had the worst MVP season of the 2010s is because he didn’t have an individual month/stretch of outstanding statistical dominance like every other MVP did. He maintained steady great production over time. But that is the only thing I would say that keeps him lower than every other. Steph & Lebron are the only other MVPs to lead their teams to more wins, and they had far more help than he did
01 iverson situation where they can't do it without his offense but he can't do it without their defense, a perfect mixture tbh. 11 is probably the weakest year in the modern era as far as mvp caliber seasons but rose definitely deserved it
@@khalidahmed-qq1qw see here we go with the advanced stats & disregarding logic. you think the Bulls without Rose, having Luol Deng as the best player & missing Noah/Boozer for 50 combined games would have fared better across a season than Miami with Wade & Bosh?
0:00 1960’s: Bill Russell over Wilt Chamberlin 2:42 1970s: Wes Unseld 3:48 Dave Cowins 4:20 Kareem Abdual Jabar 5:21 1989 Magic Johnson 5:57 1990 Magic Johnson 6:28 1993 Charles Barkley 7:03 1997 Karl Malone (Regular Season Award) 8:20 2001 Allen Iverson 9:05 2006 Steve Nash 9:53 2008 Kobe Bryant 10:29 2011 Derrick Rose 11:09 2018 James Harden
Shouldnt have won MVP at all Kobe should have Won MVP he averaged 35 5 and 5 how do you not win mvp, nash averaged 18 4 11 like it wasnt close Lebron did better that season too.
While I don’t inherently disagree with some of these, throwing out advanced stats to show why MVPs in the 60s and 70s show why a player should have gotten the MVP when those stats weren’t a thing back then isn’t being fair.
@@moz310 Yeah, I did say that MJ was a defensive monster, but since he didn't really focus too much energy on defence, I still think GP was a better defender, as a scorer, of course Jordan is miles ahead of anybody else
The argument for Bill not deserving the MVP because it was voted by “lazy” players doesn’t make sense. Wilt literally won MVP the season before Bills first. And Wilt won 3 straight after his true prime.
I’m a patriots fan and I will tell you this. Only season Tom Brady impressed me was in 2007. After that it’s been like this weird urge for him to play that style and it’s just been nothing but dink and dunks ever since that season (or if you want to get technical it’s when he torn his acl). I mean yeah he throws the ball deep here and there but that’s really it. Most his yards come from Yac and I think Barry has a video about it somewhere but Don’t get me wrong, Tom Brady is a great football player but he is highly overrated. He has been around fantastic teams his whole career. (I’m a pistons and patriots fan but only reason I am is because I love defense and growing up in the 00s these were the best defensive teams at the time and was never really a Brady fan.) As a patriots fan I just hate how our defense is never mentioned or even brought up when talking about the patriots dynasty. It’s always about Brady
Rings are team accomplishments. I look at Tom beating the Rams in the SB. We certainly wouldn’t say that needing to score 4 points to win is an entirely difficult obstacle, his defense did the bulk of the work. You just can’t tell me half the top QBs in the league switch out Brady and can’t score 4 points. We give Tom a ring for that one but have to realize he played just ok that game but his team overall played well enough to win.
They are both overrated, that has their leagues cater to them more than any players in their leagues history. They have also had the refs on their side, (especially LeBron) more than any players. They both win only when they have insanely stacked teams. They both made a career on simple plays, like Brady throwing quick little passes and LeBron just travel trucking to the hoop. But at least Brady doesn't cry alot, and do fake hate crimes against himself like little bron bron does.
@@ATICrossX if I didn't know Basketball than I would not have stated the facts that I stated. Are you seriously trying to say that LeBron doesn't travel to the hoop alot? Like him or not, you can't deny what i stated.
Gotta say Derrick rose while he may or may not have deserved mvp, holds a special place in my heart, and it feels like we were robbed of something magical with him being injured. In retrospect its fitting to get him that mvp, at the least to just give him some hardware for the incredible person and player he is
Only LeBron stans think he should’ve won the 2011 MVP despite having Wade and Bosh while Rose had (drumroll) Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, and Luol Deng…
@@ParagonGorilla Exactly. It’s not the “who was the best player this year” award, it’s the “who was the most valuable player this year” award. Rose was more valuable
@@ParagonGorilla he had 2 players on his team averaging above 15 points per with a center averaging 10 and 9.8 he had the more balanced team I aint saying lebron should've won but lets not lie now
@@jaybird1381 lol, only lebron haters dont think this. theres no objective argument. only feelings against him 2011. unless you failed pre school maths class.
Magic johnson's last 2 mvps are an absolute disgrace to the sport. Jordan deserved them clearly. All that to tie magic's mvps to bird's. Bird had 3 consecutive unquestionable mvps
Bro this guys trying to compare Shaq and AI’s shooting percentage???? The shot selection is so different you can’t put those numbers up against each other, Zion has like 70% for a reason
Lebron can’t be more valuable then Derrick rose when he has less wins with a d wade and bosh while d rose led a team to the best record with injuries to Noah and boozer
Put D Rose on the Heat and they wouldn’t have went to the finals. Also Bosh wasn’t even that good, he was basically like Kevin Love, he played on a really bad team which made him look good, but once he played next to LeBron and Wade it exposed him as not really being the super elite player he was propped up to be.
@@TheRealAbraxas Kevin love had to completely change his game. He when from a back to the basket big getting plenty of touches to the third opinion and changing his game to a stretch 4 because kyrie runs point and bron needs the ball. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about
Love the list, only thing I disagree on is the Brady hate. I agree Lebron has been snubbed of a couple MVP's, and partially due to voter fatigue (MJ faced the same thing).
No Lebron won the right amount of MVPs, the only other years you can argue is 2006 and 2011, and regardless of what he says the right person won both of those.
I understand giving the NBA MVP to the MVP of a successful team (made the playoffs, top 3 or 4 team in the division) but doesn't necessarily have to be the team that had the most wins. In the past, the team with the most wins in preseason doesn't win the championship as much as you'd think
Big fan Barry but Derrick absolutely deserved mvp. No ones numbers were significantly greater, he led his team to #1 and did it without key players for a large amount of the season. Also at 22…definition of Mvp
Barry indicates that the MVP should be the best and most valuable player on the best team. He said MIA scoring with LeBron on court was +6 while Bulls with Rose on court was +2. Also, he said (to your argument) Rose did not carry that team by any means.
To be fair, the sixers team was good defensively, but ai absolutely carried them on offense. His offensive carry-job, in my opinion, excuses the sub-par efficiency since the opposing team focused on guarding ai.
12:08 harden may have averaged 3 more points but he shot an entire 10 percent worst than Lebron and they shot the same percentage from three. Harden played 10 less games as Lebron played a full season in his 15th season. Lebron averaged more rebounds assists and blocks
A lot of people at the time felt Rose didn't deserve it, and when you look strictly at the numbers you can see there point, but they were still wrong To be clear I didn't like a thing about Rose's game at the time. He was a shoot first slashing point guard who I felt would have made a better shooting guard. He wasn't a threat from 3 which was a weakness that I felt was unforgivable in starting point guards, I still feel that to this day. His assist all came from obvious passes created by his athleticism, and he didn't show any ability to run a complex offense. And his defense was nonexistent Despite all that, what he did for that Bulls team was undeniable, they weren't supposed to be where they ended up that year, and the biggest reason for that over performing Bulls team, was how unstoppable D-Rose was. A couple years later, D-Rose would go on to have a couple of near career ending injuries, which lead to some of the saddest moments in basketball But the most obvious thing that came out of that injury was the glaring truth that Chicago need prime D-Rose to have any real success, because even though he wasn't eating up a lot of there salary (he never did get to sign that big deal, if I remember right), Chicago has never even come close to that level of success from since they lost D-Rose, current season include With that said, I disagree with almost all of your picks, I can go into a similar level of detail for all of them. But I love this video, thanks for the content, really appreciate it!
The year rose “stole” it from lebron, Wade averaged 26/5/6 2 steals and 2 block shooting 50% from the field in the playoffs averaged 25/4/7 2 steals and 1.3 blocks on 49% shooting. In the finals Wade averaged 27/7/5 2 steals and 2 blocks on 55% shooting. Lebron wasted dwyane wades final AMAZING season, don’t ever forget that. D rose deserved that mvp
If you’re gonna bring up playoff stats, why not show how LeBron completely outplayed Rose in the ECF? Also, did you ignore how the Heat suffered more with LeBron off the court than the Bulls with Rose off the court? That tells you all you need to know
@@stopplzs why didn’t you also bring up how Wade averaged 30/7/5 2 steals 1 block and on 53% shootin against the Celtics which was the first series lebron beat them in.
You also didn’t mention game 2 2011 finals Wade had 36/6/5 3 steals ONE TURNOVER the ENTIRE game shot 65% from the field. I will repeat that in case you read it wrong HE PLAYED 42 minutes had 36/6/5 and had ONE TURNOVER THE ENTIRE GAME ON 65% SHOOTING. I’m the 4th Wade score 9 points which was half the teams points and lebron was 0/4 from the field 0/2 from the ft line with 2 points…the game was decided by two points btw :|……… game 4 Wade shoots 62% has 2 turnovers the whole game has 32/6…lebron for the game was 8/7/9 4 turnovers 2 in the 4th quarter on 27% shooting for the game…the game was decided by 3 points…..name me the teammate d rose has that could do all that…I’ll wait
@@Jokoman019 part of me has always thought that LeBron threw the series because it was obvious Wade was going to be FMVP. Either way, whether he threw the series or just had an epic choke job, it's still really bad lmao.
That Harden to Brady comparison couldn't be more wrong. Brady has more championships then any NFL team and Harden took a noise dive once the foul rule changes came into place. Harden hasn't and may never win while Brady is one of the most winning athletes in all of sports.
AI definitely deserved that 2001 MVP over SHAQ. I mean SHAQ had KOBE averaging 28 pts on his side while AI had none. At the end of the day, it's not all about stats and advanced stats y'know.
This video is basically "box score determines mvp" which it doesn't. Claiming that players were lazy is also a stupid statement. If anything, I trust the players over the media and fans any day since they are the ones to face each other and therefore know who their toughest opponent was. Specifically on Bill Russell, the players just realised his intangible value to a team and how he and Red Auerbach almost singlehandedly made 7 other HoF players.
I hate when people use things like MVPs as a measure in ranking players. There is no standard consistent criteria they use and who is to know what kind of biases some voters have. it was player voted pre 1980 and media writer voted post 1980 so it's not even the same types voting on it through NBA history. Ultimately, things like MVP change nothing about what a player did or did not do on the floor. They change nothing about what impact a player had on wins and losses. Too often I see people arguing over players and one goes "but my guy has more MVPs" and I always laugh.
they should be considered in rankings, but you look at a player’s consistency and production on a year to year basis to judge players. Even tho Nash has more MVPs than shaq and Kobe. Everyone knows Kobe and shaq had alottt of better seasons than nash mvp seasons
@@reggie7408 "Everyone knows Kobe and shaq had alottt of better seasons than nash mvp seasons" By your own logic there would be no reason to consider those MVPs in the rankings then.
@@tj5180 The Finals MVP award did not lessen anything Steph actually did on the floor. Just like it did not enhance anything Iggy did on the floor. The voters decided for their own reasons to give it to Iggy. These awards don't make someone better or worse as an actual player.
Barry, this doesn't make sense. You spend the whole video bringing up stats and "analytics" as your argument for most of these choices (Kareem over mcadoo, Nash over Lebron etc.), but then throw all of that out the window with your final entry. I'm not saying that you need to be either "stats guy" or "eye test guy" but maybe a bit more consistency in your arguments would be nice. Why does the eye test work for lebron over harden but not rose over lebron. Also, I would think Brady would be your guy since his current success seems to due to his advanced stats rather than the eye test. Unless all of this doesn't matter and you secretly are a Brady fan and just love the rise it gets out of people. Other than tha, love your sense of humor and your video are entertaining.
Barry's opinions are based on his emotions. He decides how he feels about a player and then works backwards from there, using certain stats when it makes a player look good and ignoring stats when it makes them look bad and the other way around if it's somebody he hates. So hypocritical.
His takes on Brady are by far the most accurate takes. You can tell that he has researched and studied them in detail. his nba takes? Not so much, largely because it covers large topics, and quick looks.
@@jackwilson5152 His Brady takes are still over-exaggerated. Like the check downs. Brady does throw a lot of them, but he also throws a lot of deep balls. Accurately too. And he complains about Brady throwing to a receiver that’s open/wide open. That’s why you run plays that give you those situations. It’s more than just calling a play to call it. It’s about reading the defense and making the adjustments as you see fit to get those open looks. I still enjoy his rants on Brady though, he’s extremely funny.
2018 Lebron led harden in literally every category except points. They just wanted to give harden the MVP because they gave it to someone else when he averaged 36
Facts. Kobe never did anything without having a top Big Man carrying him. Shaq piggy backed Kobe to his first 3 rings and Kobe couldnt sniff 50 wins without MVPau and Bynumite. Kobe is easiy the most over rated player of the generation and was absolutely toxic his last 4 seasons. He wasnt much better than a TMac or Carter, tbh.
@@tj5180 No he didn't. Dirk was better at every single advanced stats than Nash. Plus the Mavs won 6 more games than the Suns and Dirk played more minutes and games than Nash.
Could people please stop using the term stat padding. It's such a stupid word and/or accusation, because it's virtually impossible to pull off, unless by stat padding you mean a guy who takes way too many shots to boost his points per game, despite having a low fg%.
Russ lead the NBA in VORP, BPM and PER that year. His season BPM was (at the time) the highest ever by a player not named Jordan, LeBron, Curry or (David) Robinson. He deserved it. And even if you can make a case for someone else, choosing Westbrook over them wasn't egregious.
Was expecting Westbrook over Kawhi in 2017, the usage and efficiency numbers, stealing rebounds from Adams, chasing for bad kick out 3 assists and the thunder were mediocre. People were just looking at the triple doubles
What are you talking about? Stop talking out of your a**. Even after 'stealing rebounds' he had more contested rebounds than Kawhi, a guy who should be getting more. Westbrook kicking out to 3 for the assist led to the highest points ever via passes in NBA history and one of the highest True shooting percentage assists ever. Those kickouts literally created the most points ever in NBA history. How is that negative? His TS% was 56% or something similar, Kawhis was around the same. So what exactly did Kawhi do better other than defend?
I disagree with almost half these picks. For ex. You said that Alan iverson was a shot chucker and had the same record as the lakers; but you made the argument that Shaq had better stats and adv stats. But then you said that 2018 lebron should have won the mvp over harden because of style of play ( I don’t think that’s a good argument) and he carried a ass team to the finals… that’s literally the same season that iverson had and the same circumstances. I understand you want to stand out in the RUclips space , but put more thought and research into your videos; Otherwise you’re just another skip bayless.
Gotta say, I’m very surprised that Russ’ MVP season wasn’t on here, given what you’ve said about Russ in a past video (Edit: I think Russ deserved it that year, I’m just surprised Barry didn’t put it on the list considering what he’s said about Russ in the past)
harden really did deserve it that year, it's just a pity that the narrative of Durant leaving, Russell carrying the team with forced triple doubles and not even being one of the best teams in the NBA, got him that award... After he won, everyone knew harden would get it the next year, robbing somebody else which was LeBron.
Say what you will about Russ now, but he lead the NBA in VORP, BPM and PER that year. In fact, his season BPM was (at the time) the highest ever by a player not named Jordan, LeBron, Curry or (David) Robinson. He deserved it. And even if you can make a case for someone else, choosing Westbrook over them wasn't egregious.
@@cobrallama6236 that was the only he lead on Harden which is individual advanced metrics meanwhile Harden overcome Westbrook in WS and WS per 48 meaning Harden help his team more than Russ as an individual. And the reason why Russ stats we're so inflated is because of his 41.7 usage rate the highest in NBA history (if u want to make a historic stats to praise Russ make sure to involved his historic usage rate too)
Derrick Rose scored or assisted on 60% of the Bulls field goals that entire season. The Bulls were 1 seed over the Heat and their second best player was Boozer. Their starting 2 guard scored single digit averages and worst in assists. You telling me Rose wasn't as good as Lebron that season???
LBJ scored more points and averaged about the same assists. He did so on better efficiency from the floor. You understand the Bulls were a defensive juggernaut that year, right? Rose was the worst defender on that team.
@@jacoblee5796 Lebron, Wade, Bosh (Miller Bibby Stackhouse) =#2 Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Bogans (4ppg starting guard....) =#1 seed in the playoffs. Get off Lebron's dick
@@nameless8435 No he didn't. The Bulls swept the Heat that season with a worse team and Rose led the Bulls to the best record with extremely good stats
Honestly, if it wasn't DRose who deserved it in 2011, then Dwight deserved it. Lebron just had way too much help in 2011 for everyone to quickly forgive
24 rebounds a game. Then again, a lot of the NBA was athletically and vertically challenged then, so if you had any one of those advantages, you'd be golden. If you had both, the numbers were your for the taking. Oh and did you see that sweet Jerry West stroke? Beautiful.
Remove Allen iverson from that 2001 sixers team and remove shaq from the lakers and try to convince me shaq was more valuable… it’s mvp not best player award
As a Cavs fan, thank you so much for that LeBron over Harden 2018 MVP pick!! LeBron was miles ahead of Harden in everything except for winning record. You take LeBron off of that team and you get the Cavs team we have seen every year after he left, except for this year (yay!). They gave it to Harden because Russell got the one last year, so they were forced. LeBron could've honestly won every year, but they have to give other players a chance. At 37 years old, he is still putting up numbers we have never seen before.
@@asan5285 are you crazy? 🤣🤣 Look at him now, he can’t even score without getting his free throws. At least LeBron knows how to play basketball the right way. I think everyone would’ve taken Lebron over Harden on their team that year, every year before and every year since. Harden is a fucking joke!
I’m a Lebron fan probably the biggest one on planet Earth but in all honestly there’s no way Lebron deserved mvp over Harden Lebrons team only won 50 games in a weak eastern conference while Hardens team won 65 games in a stake western conference with the best team of all time playing in that conference and Harden averaged 30 points that year which lead the league in points that year as a Lebron fan I have to be honest all argument for Lebron winning mvp in 2018 over Harden is laughable
Bill Russell won his MVPs because of his historic defense. Like it was so insane that his defense had a bigger impact than a lot of players offensive ability. I'll agree with you on Wilt's 50 PPG season, but looking at impact stats and seeing how teams performed with players on/off the court, Russell was definitely the most valuable for a lot of his MVP seasons.
I couldn't agree more with the Harden take at the end. It's the only MVP the league has had that isn't an embarrassment to the MVP award, it's an embarrassment to the league itself. That anyone would reward someone's game that is entirely predicated on flopping, foul-baiting, and ref manipulation is disgusting.
I’m sorry, but did u Fr just say that Tom Brady gets worse in the playoffs? I wasn’t gonna say anything, since as u said, “this is your video,” but Brady is arguably the only guy that you can’t say gets worse in the post season.
Nah G, you gotta have Westbrook over Harden in 17. Harden was only a few assists and rebounds shy of a triple double, but lietrally everything else pointed to him. Advanced stats, efficiency, team record, you name it.
@@MikeBNumba6 Victor Oladipo wasn't that good in 2017 and you seriously brought up Taj Gibson and Steven Adams lmfao. That OKC team had 0 spacing, no scorer and playmaker apart from Westbrook. Houston team was much better built.
@@MikeBNumba6 Oladipo exploded in 2018 playoffs, he was nothing special in OKC. I'm nowhere near to being Westbrook fan, but seeing people talking about Harden deserving it more in 2017 is blasphemous. And Harden is getting exposed with no free throws. Westbrook was maybe chasing stats, but Harden was literally hunting for free throws for 48 minutes. He wasnt trying to play the game. Harden is a type of guy to exploit 2K glitches and animations.
@@MikeBNumba6 If memory serves you right, that is regular season award. And don't mention 2017 playoffs because Harden literally got embarassed by 48 year old Manu Ginobili. Harden is playoff choker.
Should’ve been named “Bill Russell shouldn’t have won his MVP’s” lol
Yall think stats is the only part of the game and think Russell didn't deserve it 😂🤣
@@tj5180 and you think rings are the only part of the game and think he deserved it
@@tj5180 it’s a regular season award and most players hated Wilt so they didn’t give it to him
@@russellpo7758 why did they hate wilt ? 🤔
@@tj5180 probably a combination of him being so dominant and his cocky personality on and off the field
Even though it’s NBA MVPS, I’m surprised Barry didn’t put Tom Brady.
Tom Brady motivated Bill Russell to get his rings.
He also taught MJ and Kobe their “killer mentality” as part of his TB12 package (prices starting at $9999.99)
I mean he put him in the same category as Harden at the end there, he certainly made sure to still rail on Brady lol
Tom Brady never scored a single point in the NBA… what a bum. People really think he has goat status 😂
“A Boston player getting overrated due to team success, never seen that before” 🤣🤣🤣 that was too damn funny
Wow, a Celtics team that had inferior offensive numbers having the best record in the league? Must have had some amazing defense. Wonder if Bill Russell played for them?
@Lighthouse in the Storm he was also a coach. People forget that part. He was coaching and playing at that level while leading a lacking offense to 60+ win seasons.
Normally I agree with a lot of this guys points but he's wrong about Bill Russell.
True you could say that, but Bill Russell's teammates weren't as awful as Wilt's teammates. If you use context to show defensive importance, then it's only fair to use context to prove offensive importance of Wilt Chamberlain. Without Bill, Celtics would still be a great team in their era, while without Wilt, the Warriors, and later on the Lakers, would've been a far worse team in comparison.
@@johngrimm2074 Wilt still had multiple hall of famers like Nate Thurmond, Gail Goodrich, Billy Cunningham, etc. and in Bill's final year, Wilt joined the Lakers who had just made the NBA finals and lost to Russell. In Russell's final year, it should've been easy for Wilt to win, but Russell was just the better basketball player and willed his team to victory. Wilt was the first great stat padder, didn't really care if they lost but more so if he dropped 40
@@idk5916 you're comparing those three to these eight, Bob Cousy, Bill Sharman, Tom Heinsohn, K.C. Jones, Sam Jones, Frank Ramsey, and John Havlicek.
If you consider Wilt is a Statpadder, then what do you consider Westbrook? One chases stats because he wants to, while the other has to have high stats in order to get into the playoffs. You figure out which is which, and tell me how Wilt is a statpadder in all sense of the word.
Also keep telling the world that Russell is the better player, someday someone might get fooled and join you in your nonsense.
@@johngrimm2074 I consider Westbrook a stat padder, idk why you're bringing him up tbh. Teammates and coaches said Wilt chose stats over winning. And I listed 4 total players and mentioned Wilt joining with the Lakers who had West and Baylor and JUST made the NBA finals. Imagine if after KD went to the Warriors Cleveland still won, that's exactly what happened then Here's more HOF Wilt played with, Guy Rodgers, Al Attles, and Hal Greer. So I guess it's those 9 vs Russel's 8. Wilt was 4-5 in game 7s while Russell was 10-0. The year after Wilt left the 76ers, they went 55-27. Clearly, those teams were talented and didn't need Wilt to get to the playoffs. And in his last year with the 76ers, after being up 3-1 he's in game 7 against Russell's Celtics, he goes 4 for 9 from the field and 6 of 15 from the line resulting in 14 points. That's why he's not Russell's level, even teams or even when Wilt had the better team, Russell still won because he knew how and was willing to do whatever he could to win
Only reason Bill Russell had that many HOF teammates is because they had rings he literally made them go to the HOF
no not realy
Absolutely 💯 he's the on player on those teams who could start today
@@zabban so you're saying someone like K. C. Jones would have been a HoF player on any other team he played? Sure buddy. Bill is the only reason he, and several others are in the HoF.
You mean along with Cousy, Sam Jones and Havlicek. Russell had at least three legitimate HOF teammates. Cousy was an MVP prior to Russell and the best passer in the league, Sam Jones was Mr. Clutch, and Hondo won two championships after Russell along with leading the Celtics to a 68 win regular season.
@@MarkAtTrees Sam jones, Tom Heinsonh, Bob Cousy, John Havlicek, Bill Sharman are all legitimate hall of famers
When talking about Nash, you forgot to mention he was in the 50-40-90 club. That type of shot efficiency really makes a difference.
That’s like saying Steve Ker is the best 3-point shooter ever because he has the highest career 3pt% even tho he only shot like 3 shots a game. Efficiency on higher Volume matters more than just the percentage it’s self.
@@KingpinCarlito that’s not even close
To the same. Kerr on average scored what 6 ppg 😂
@@KingpinCarlito Nash was shooting regularly, far more than Kerr was...
@@KingpinCarlito Steve Kerr wasn’t even an all star. You just know who he is because he’s the coach of the Warriors.
@@KingpinCarlito 50-40-90 on 18ppg is very very good what are you talking about
As a LeBron fan, Derrick Rose deserved dat MVP in 2011. No his stats weren’t better than Bron’s but they were definitely MVP worth stats. Rose didn’t entirely carried the Bulls but offensively he definitely did, let alone Bron had Wade and Bosh and was still able to get the Bulls more wins then the superteam Heat
Also the Bulls were missing Joekim Noah and Carlos Boozer for a large portion of the season. Derrick Rose still help team have the best record in the NBA despite those injuries.
Respect this comment
100% agree
dwight deserved it
Ya Barry certified casual for not recognizing this
I don't think I've ever been so entertained by someone else's opinion and yet I've watched all your videos at least twice
one of the most snide mf on YT
Nice way of calling all his other videos unentertaining 🤣
Grading number 2 draft picks in the nba would be hilarious (because he could make fun of KD again 😂) Barry, if you’re reading this, that triggering video you made was legendary
Most number 2 picks are bust
@@eldonchef1754 >Jokic
@@cant8468 pick 41
@Fries I’d personally give him a B. He was a standout in the NBA who made 7 all-star games and 5 all-NBA teams. At one point, He was said to be the best power forward in the league during his time with the blazers. He’s a not champion, and hasn’t won any major awards, but he definitely stood out in the league! Way more than Andrea Bargnani
I dont get why noone talks how dirk could of won 06 mvp. He led a mavs team to 60 wins and only had 4th seed cause of division playoff rules.
That's right, I remember the division winners got the top 3 seeds. And the Clippers and the Grizzlies both tried to "out-suck" each other to draw the Nuggets in the first round.
@@dusk6159 kobe had just as much of a case as dirk and lebron, I'd say a better case than lebron but worse case than dirk. Unless you're hyper focused on the lakers 45 wins and disregarding all context, like how it's only 5 wins less than lebron with comparable teammates in a much superior conference (cavs had a better record but lakers played better against their competition via srs), unless that is what you're doing, i don't see how you can count kobe completely out of the race but keep lebron in
@@kenan-b problem is team wins is the biggest factor, hence why giannis beat bron couple years ago. just a fw wins too in easier conf
@@khalidahmed-qq1qw Giannis won because he was better all across the board and his team had a better record
Kobe averaged 35 5 and 5 he definitely should have won that season he got Robbed fs he should have at least like 3 or 4 mvps.
Lebron's 2018 whole baskeball run (regular and post season) is the best brand of basketball I've ever seen in my short life. I remember that everyday there was a crazy highlight of a Lebron block, assist or clutch shot.
And it was completely disregarded because he got swept by the Warriors🙄 he should've won the MVP that year, it wasn't even close
@@scoutalejan8259 it wasnt even close? it clearly was. lebron placed 4th in the weak ass east while harden was 1st in the tought west
@@scoutalejan8259 Lebum Stan spotted 😂
@@magicjohnson5733 Harden was on a team surrounded by talent, pretty sure that the Rockets would've still made it to the playoffs if it was just Chris Paul and all those role players🤷🏽♂️
Can't say the same about the Cavs, Lebron was the only reason why they even made it to the playoffs, it's not just stats, it's team value
Even as a LeBron fan how can you not say his 2013 Miami isn’t isn’t better, you know back when he actually played defense
You can’t continuously talk about “advanced stats” (which you never talk about specifically) and then say that any of Nash’s MVPs were questionable
Yeah you can. Nash wasn't at the top of any advanced stat category for either of those wins. In basically all of them he was in the 5-10 range at best
@@shepardice3775 nash led the league in TS% and AST% in 06 alone. do you just blatantly lie on the internet for fun or what?😂
@@sbnpouipnbt2614 Oh I thought you meant stats that were _useful_ lol. MVP isn't decided by TS% or AST% unless you have to split hairs between basically 2 literally identical candidates.
In 05 Nash was: 17th in PER, 8th in WS/48, 11th in BPM, 19th in VORP.
In 06: 14th in PER, 10th in WS/48, 16th in BPM, 17th in VORP.
So I did lie - I overestimated him. If we're using advanced stats these are TERRIBLE for an MVP. In nearly every other year the MVP is top 10 in all of these at least, though usually top 5 if not #1 in all 4.
@@shepardice3775 per is not a good stat and neither is vorp… why not use RAPTOR or LEBRON😭 or even auPM, stop using those outdated and useless numbers😂
@Fries yeah he deserved both, the best creator, passer, ceiling raiser, and most efficient player in the league he deserved it
Excellent video Barry. Idea for another one: worst Heisman Trophy winners of all time.
Yes please. Lets get this video made
If I remember correctly from Twitter he doesn’t like college football too much
Yes
Worst Heisman has to be Jason White over Adrian Peterson
Easily Mark Ingram.
Wilt really deserved to have more MVPs especially during the 60's
Thats just cause the award was different back there, if it wasnt he'd have at least 6 mvps more
@UCWt7tNb6H1kojXFlKiWDVCQ agreed. He is the most winningest player, can't really take that away from him
@@calebbrown5127 casuals claim russell had HOF teams but they werent doing shit before he came to the league and after he retired
@@tj5180 agreed. It usually takes 5 or 6 years after someone retires to see how good they actually were
@@tj5180 well, im guessing when russell retired most of his teammates already had, considering he played for a long time, also nobody is saying russell wasnt good, they say he wasnt as good as wilt
The way I think the media looks at mvps is 1. Who is the most liked or best brand from the mvp candidates. 2. Who is the most historic.3. Who has the best recorded.
With these thing being in mind I think I can understand every mvp winner and can even say they deserved them.
“But the revisionist history that Rose carried the Bulls by himself is ludicrous” The fact that you’re saying he DIDN’T carry them by himself is the true revisionist history here. I am willing to admit that Rose may have had the worst MVP season out of everyone in the 2010s, however that is only comparing him to other MVPs. He absolutely deserved MVP that year. He was the only player top 10 in both PPG & Assists. The Bulls had a new signing in Boozer miss 21 games, our starting C in Noah miss 34 games, and yet we still had the best record in the entire league. Mix all that with the fact that Miami underperformed to their expectations in the regular and Rose was playing in a unprecedented way, and he absolutely deserved MVP. He truly checked all the boxes for every criteria people use to gauge what an MVP season is.
and the only reason I say Rose may have had the worst MVP season of the 2010s is because he didn’t have an individual month/stretch of outstanding statistical dominance like every other MVP did. He maintained steady great production over time. But that is the only thing I would say that keeps him lower than every other. Steph & Lebron are the only other MVPs to lead their teams to more wins, and they had far more help than he did
01 iverson situation where they can't do it without his offense but he can't do it without their defense, a perfect mixture tbh. 11 is probably the weakest year in the modern era as far as mvp caliber seasons but rose definitely deserved it
his on/off wasnt that great they were fine without him. Compared to Bron, theres just no argument. theres not one objective way toprove he did more.
@@khalidahmed-qq1qw see here we go with the advanced stats & disregarding logic. you think the Bulls without Rose, having Luol Deng as the best player & missing Noah/Boozer for 50 combined games would have fared better across a season than Miami with Wade & Bosh?
Nah this guy is fr a LeBron fanboy. I respect LeBron and I like this guy's videos but man the criteria he used with DRose is ridiculous
0:00 1960’s: Bill Russell over Wilt Chamberlin
2:42 1970s: Wes Unseld
3:48 Dave Cowins
4:20 Kareem Abdual Jabar
5:21 1989 Magic Johnson
5:57 1990 Magic Johnson
6:28 1993 Charles Barkley
7:03 1997 Karl Malone
(Regular Season Award)
8:20 2001 Allen Iverson
9:05 2006 Steve Nash
9:53 2008 Kobe Bryant
10:29 2011 Derrick Rose
11:09 2018 James Harden
Steve Nash literally made those suns teams work. They were awful when he was on the bench or injured
Shouldnt have won MVP at all Kobe should have Won MVP he averaged 35 5 and 5 how do you not win mvp, nash averaged 18 4 11 like it wasnt close Lebron did better that season too.
@@tfromcali89 And what did any of those players achieve without Steve Nash?
@@tfromcali89 😆 Shaq? He held the Suns back during his time there.
While I don’t inherently disagree with some of these, throwing out advanced stats to show why MVPs in the 60s and 70s show why a player should have gotten the MVP when those stats weren’t a thing back then isn’t being fair.
Agreed
2011 Bulls team without Rose wasn't the first seed, Rose made more of an impact on the bulls then LeBron did with the heat
Dwight howard was also above lebron in voting
That is quite literally a lie
@@Abbad1579 goofy
@@carenthusiasts4119 Nope. The bulls had a +6.6 net rating in 2011 with rose on the bench
One more thing you didn't include on the MJ MVP awards, is that MJ was also the best guard defender in the league while leading the scoring 10x times
But they claim he was just a scorer
MJ was a monster at steals, people tend to forget that because of his freakish abilities on offense.
MJ was a defensive monster but I personally think Gary Payton was the better defender, and is also probably the best defensive guard ever
@@firedfly5143 MJ won DPOY in '88. He was just more focused on offense. GP was a defensive minded player and his main focus was that.
@@moz310 Yeah, I did say that MJ was a defensive monster, but since he didn't really focus too much energy on defence, I still think GP was a better defender, as a scorer, of course Jordan is miles ahead of anybody else
The argument for Bill not deserving the MVP because it was voted by “lazy” players doesn’t make sense.
Wilt literally won MVP the season before Bills first. And Wilt won 3 straight after his true prime.
@Slywerk Gotta remember that Barry is a LeBron fan and NFL fan. Stats matter the most by far. And he doesn’t really use context for his nba opinions.
its cope, barry only looks at box scores and ignores Bill's insane defensive impact.
I mean u can’t lie russel didn’t deserve mvp in 62
Man said Brady gets worse in the Playoffs like he hasn’t won 7 SBs😂
He does get worse in the playoffs though. He has more wins with 3 interceptions than Rodgers has with 3 touchdown passes. Doesn't that say something?
I’m a patriots fan and I will tell you this. Only season Tom Brady impressed me was in 2007. After that it’s been like this weird urge for him to play that style and it’s just been nothing but dink and dunks ever since that season (or if you want to get technical it’s when he torn his acl). I mean yeah he throws the ball deep here and there but that’s really it. Most his yards come from Yac and I think Barry has a video about it somewhere but Don’t get me wrong, Tom Brady is a great football player but he is highly overrated. He has been around fantastic teams his whole career.
(I’m a pistons and patriots fan but only reason I am is because I love defense and growing up in the 00s these were the best defensive teams at the time and was never really a Brady fan.)
As a patriots fan I just hate how our defense is never mentioned or even brought up when talking about the patriots dynasty. It’s always about Brady
@@WarrenJr1996 Thank you
Rings are team accomplishments. I look at Tom beating the Rams in the SB. We certainly wouldn’t say that needing to score 4 points to win is an entirely difficult obstacle, his defense did the bulk of the work. You just can’t tell me half the top QBs in the league switch out Brady and can’t score 4 points. We give Tom a ring for that one but have to realize he played just ok that game but his team overall played well enough to win.
@@WarrenJr1996 wow a non biased intelligent Patriots fan. We need more like you. Brady is overrated
although i disagree with everything this guy says, i love that he has unpopular opinions that he can some what prove
How can the wilt nba mvp snubs in 1961 and 1962 not be the greatest nba mvp snubs of all time lol
Yes even if i may not agree with him he has takes to make it debatable
The fact that this guy hates Tom Brady and loves Lebron makes zero sense to me lol
Fr.
Makes perfect sense to me, Lebrons and Bradys careers are not similar at all
They are both overrated, that has their leagues cater to them more than any players in their leagues history. They have also had the refs on their side, (especially LeBron) more than any players. They both win only when they have insanely stacked teams. They both made a career on simple plays, like Brady throwing quick little passes and LeBron just travel trucking to the hoop. But at least Brady doesn't cry alot, and do fake hate crimes against himself like little bron bron does.
@@jackwilson5152 ok, I get it, you don't know basketball
@@ATICrossX if I didn't know Basketball than I would not have stated the facts that I stated. Are you seriously trying to say that LeBron doesn't travel to the hoop alot? Like him or not, you can't deny what i stated.
You’re drunk if you think D Rose didn’t deserve MVP for the way he carried the Bulls.
He didn't. And this isn't the first list I've seen of Rose's MVP being overrated.
@@ariefraiser140 Really don’t care.
@@SYMShutYoMouth fraud rose mvp lol
@@SYMShutYoMouth wym Rose carried the bulls to a 🏆 or a 500 Record every year ? 😆
Gotta say Derrick rose while he may or may not have deserved mvp, holds a special place in my heart, and it feels like we were robbed of something magical with him being injured. In retrospect its fitting to get him that mvp, at the least to just give him some hardware for the incredible person and player he is
Only LeBron stans think he should’ve won the 2011 MVP despite having Wade and Bosh while Rose had (drumroll) Joakim Noah, Carlos Boozer, and Luol Deng…
@@jaybird1381 fr. Rose had the worse team and still managed to win more games. He deserved it.
@@ParagonGorilla Exactly. It’s not the “who was the best player this year” award, it’s the “who was the most valuable player this year” award. Rose was more valuable
@@ParagonGorilla he had 2 players on his team averaging above 15 points per with a center averaging 10 and 9.8 he had the more balanced team I aint saying lebron should've won but lets not lie now
@@jaybird1381 lol, only lebron haters dont think this. theres no objective argument. only feelings against him 2011. unless you failed pre school maths class.
Magic johnson's last 2 mvps are an absolute disgrace to the sport. Jordan deserved them clearly. All that to tie magic's mvps to bird's. Bird had 3 consecutive unquestionable mvps
They forgot about Kobe. Him and Shaq didn't get Magic treatment in LA
Bro this guys trying to compare Shaq and AI’s shooting percentage???? The shot selection is so different you can’t put those numbers up against each other, Zion has like 70% for a reason
Facts
No work today and a Barry video. This is an excellent Friday so far
Lebron can’t be more valuable then Derrick rose when he has less wins with a d wade and bosh while d rose led a team to the best record with injuries to Noah and boozer
Keith bogans > d wade
Put D Rose on the Heat and they wouldn’t have went to the finals. Also Bosh wasn’t even that good, he was basically like Kevin Love, he played on a really bad team which made him look good, but once he played next to LeBron and Wade it exposed him as not really being the super elite player he was propped up to be.
@@TheRealAbraxas we found the child. It’s funny watching people talk about stuff they didn’t see or know nothing about with such confidence
@@TheRealAbraxas Kevin love had to completely change his game. He when from a back to the basket big getting plenty of touches to the third opinion and changing his game to a stretch 4 because kyrie runs point and bron needs the ball. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about
@@dusk6159 bosh is still a better rim defender than love
Love the list, only thing I disagree on is the Brady hate. I agree Lebron has been snubbed of a couple MVP's, and partially due to voter fatigue (MJ faced the same thing).
No Lebron won the right amount of MVPs, the only other years you can argue is 2006 and 2011, and regardless of what he says the right person won both of those.
@@leonzaduncan2438 No, LeBron has been snubbed of MVP's. If you argue that the right person won in 2006 and 2011 you did not watch those Seasons.
James made those Rose voters happy in the finals that year😂....🌹>👑
@@leonzaduncan2438
There’s no way LeBron wasn’t better than Rose in 2011. He was at his prime
@@Jonathan-A.C. the year he choke against Dallas?
Add Embiid to this if there’s a redux
- a 6ers fan
Joker never won a ring and MVP. He gladly took that mvp lost(finally made it to the finals)
Btw it's easy to "carry a team" with 2 other HOF'ers on your 5 man squad- amazing you don't call Leflop out for flopping
I understand giving the NBA MVP to the MVP of a successful team (made the playoffs, top 3 or 4 team in the division) but doesn't necessarily have to be the team that had the most wins. In the past, the team with the most wins in preseason doesn't win the championship as much as you'd think
Barry, we need to get a "Guide for Beginners: NBA" video. Also a possible NFL one
Big fan Barry but Derrick absolutely deserved mvp. No ones numbers were significantly greater, he led his team to #1 and did it without key players for a large amount of the season. Also at 22…definition of Mvp
Barry indicates that the MVP should be the best and most valuable player on the best team. He said MIA scoring with LeBron on court was +6 while Bulls with Rose on court was +2. Also, he said (to your argument) Rose did not carry that team by any means.
@@quiteknight50 you didn’t watch hoop that year and nor did Barry
@@imawiseman101 I'll admit I didn't, but stats tell a lot haha
@@quiteknight50 not always and the stats in this case don’t
Damn, Michael Jordan kept getting snubbed of MVPs
The same reason you would give the MVP award to James over Harden in 2018 should be the same logic used in 2001. That sixers team was god awful.
To be fair, the sixers team was good defensively, but ai absolutely carried them on offense. His offensive carry-job, in my opinion, excuses the sub-par efficiency since the opposing team focused on guarding ai.
D Rose absolutely deserved the MVP in 2011. He was the best player in the world at the time.
My dad grew up in the 90's and He's still pissed how MJ didn't win more MVP than he deserved, he could've won 7 or 8.
realistically should have won almost every season he played
@@carenthusiasts4119I think he has a great argument for nearly every year except his first two, baseball return season and his Wizards run.
He actually said Tom Brady gets worse in the playoffs 7 super bowl wins and 11 apereance’s
Barry just ended racism by taking away Nash’s mvp. What a hero
Worst mvps/players ever in general:
4.Lecramp James
3.Lebubblefraud James
2.LeChina James
1.LeSmollette James
Honorable mention-Lejacobblake James
12:08 harden may have averaged 3 more points but he shot an entire 10 percent worst than Lebron and they shot the same percentage from three. Harden played 10 less games as Lebron played a full season in his 15th season. Lebron averaged more rebounds assists and blocks
harden played better defense than lebron in that year too
@@asan5285 😂😂
This dude said Tom Brady gets worse in the playoffs? What is he smoking? 10 Super Bowl appearances 7 rings 5 Super Bowl
MVPs…
A lot of people at the time felt Rose didn't deserve it, and when you look strictly at the numbers you can see there point, but they were still wrong
To be clear I didn't like a thing about Rose's game at the time. He was a shoot first slashing point guard who I felt would have made a better shooting guard. He wasn't a threat from 3 which was a weakness that I felt was unforgivable in starting point guards, I still feel that to this day. His assist all came from obvious passes created by his athleticism, and he didn't show any ability to run a complex offense. And his defense was nonexistent
Despite all that, what he did for that Bulls team was undeniable, they weren't supposed to be where they ended up that year, and the biggest reason for that over performing Bulls team, was how unstoppable D-Rose was. A couple years later, D-Rose would go on to have a couple of near career ending injuries, which lead to some of the saddest moments in basketball
But the most obvious thing that came out of that injury was the glaring truth that Chicago need prime D-Rose to have any real success, because even though he wasn't eating up a lot of there salary (he never did get to sign that big deal, if I remember right), Chicago has never even come close to that level of success from since they lost D-Rose, current season include
With that said, I disagree with almost all of your picks, I can go into a similar level of detail for all of them. But I love this video, thanks for the content, really appreciate it!
Wilt Chamberlain was ligit a real life cheat code bro was a my player before 2k was around
No Derrick Rose Slander he deserve that MVP end of discussion
- Management
The last one is basically about taste.
I don’t know shit about basketball but Barry will still somehow make it entertaining
That Stepbrother's reference got me good, so nice had to hear it twice lol.
The year rose “stole” it from lebron, Wade averaged 26/5/6 2 steals and 2 block shooting 50% from the field in the playoffs averaged 25/4/7 2 steals and 1.3 blocks on 49% shooting. In the finals Wade averaged 27/7/5 2 steals and 2 blocks on 55% shooting. Lebron wasted dwyane wades final AMAZING season, don’t ever forget that. D rose deserved that mvp
If you’re gonna bring up playoff stats, why not show how LeBron completely outplayed Rose in the ECF? Also, did you ignore how the Heat suffered more with LeBron off the court than the Bulls with Rose off the court? That tells you all you need to know
@@stopplzs why didn’t you also bring up how Wade averaged 30/7/5 2 steals 1 block and on 53% shootin against the Celtics which was the first series lebron beat them in.
You also didn’t mention game 2 2011 finals Wade had 36/6/5 3 steals ONE TURNOVER the ENTIRE game shot 65% from the field. I will repeat that in case you read it wrong HE PLAYED 42 minutes had 36/6/5 and had ONE TURNOVER THE ENTIRE GAME ON 65% SHOOTING. I’m the 4th Wade score 9 points which was half the teams points and lebron was 0/4 from the field 0/2 from the ft line with 2 points…the game was decided by two points btw :|……… game 4 Wade shoots 62% has 2 turnovers the whole game has 32/6…lebron for the game was 8/7/9 4 turnovers 2 in the 4th quarter on 27% shooting for the game…the game was decided by 3 points…..name me the teammate d rose has that could do all that…I’ll wait
@@Jokoman019 these would be really good arguments if the mvp wasn’t a regular season award. I applaud you for doing your research tho
@@Jokoman019 part of me has always thought that LeBron threw the series because it was obvious Wade was going to be FMVP. Either way, whether he threw the series or just had an epic choke job, it's still really bad lmao.
That Harden to Brady comparison couldn't be more wrong. Brady has more championships then any NFL team and Harden took a noise dive once the foul rule changes came into place. Harden hasn't and may never win while Brady is one of the most winning athletes in all of sports.
AI definitely deserved that 2001 MVP over SHAQ. I mean SHAQ had KOBE averaging 28 pts on his side while AI had none. At the end of the day, it's not all about stats and advanced stats y'know.
Someone should put a counter for every time Barry brings up Tom Brady randomly to insult him
This video is basically "box score determines mvp" which it doesn't.
Claiming that players were lazy is also a stupid statement. If anything, I trust the players over the media and fans any day since they are the ones to face each other and therefore know who their toughest opponent was. Specifically on Bill Russell, the players just realised his intangible value to a team and how he and Red Auerbach almost singlehandedly made 7 other HoF players.
My boy is growing so fast. Keep up the great work Barry
I hate when people use things like MVPs as a measure in ranking players. There is no standard consistent criteria they use and who is to know what kind of biases some voters have. it was player voted pre 1980 and media writer voted post 1980 so it's not even the same types voting on it through NBA history.
Ultimately, things like MVP change nothing about what a player did or did not do on the floor. They change nothing about what impact a player had on wins and losses. Too often I see people arguing over players and one goes "but my guy has more MVPs" and I always laugh.
they should be considered in rankings, but you look at a player’s consistency and production on a year to year basis to judge players. Even tho Nash has more MVPs than shaq and Kobe. Everyone knows Kobe and shaq had alottt of better seasons than nash mvp seasons
@@reggie7408 "Everyone knows Kobe and shaq had alottt of better seasons than nash mvp seasons"
By your own logic there would be no reason to consider those MVPs in the rankings then.
Same thing for guys like curry where they claim he doesn't have a finals mvp but should've won it in 2015 and 2018
@@tj5180 The Finals MVP award did not lessen anything Steph actually did on the floor. Just like it did not enhance anything Iggy did on the floor. The voters decided for their own reasons to give it to Iggy. These awards don't make someone better or worse as an actual player.
@@eternalboss1046 mvps do matter
I love that you find ways to diss Tom Brady in any way possible hahaha
We need ranking every NBA mascot video
Mj: 7
Lebron: 7
Kobe: 0
Barry, this doesn't make sense. You spend the whole video bringing up stats and "analytics" as your argument for most of these choices (Kareem over mcadoo, Nash over Lebron etc.), but then throw all of that out the window with your final entry.
I'm not saying that you need to be either "stats guy" or "eye test guy" but maybe a bit more consistency in your arguments would be nice. Why does the eye test work for lebron over harden but not rose over lebron.
Also, I would think Brady would be your guy since his current success seems to due to his advanced stats rather than the eye test.
Unless all of this doesn't matter and you secretly are a Brady fan and just love the rise it gets out of people.
Other than tha, love your sense of humor and your video are entertaining.
Barry's opinions are based on his emotions. He decides how he feels about a player and then works backwards from there, using certain stats when it makes a player look good and ignoring stats when it makes them look bad and the other way around if it's somebody he hates. So hypocritical.
@@blahblahblah8069 I guess that's why he stated that it's his video in the beginning.
He literally prefaced that entry on his bias. You shouldn’t disregard everything else for something he wasn’t serious about
His takes on Brady are by far the most accurate takes. You can tell that he has researched and studied them in detail. his nba takes? Not so much, largely because it covers large topics, and quick looks.
@@jackwilson5152 His Brady takes are still over-exaggerated. Like the check downs. Brady does throw a lot of them, but he also throws a lot of deep balls. Accurately too. And he complains about Brady throwing to a receiver that’s open/wide open. That’s why you run plays that give you those situations. It’s more than just calling a play to call it. It’s about reading the defense and making the adjustments as you see fit to get those open looks. I still enjoy his rants on Brady though, he’s extremely funny.
Yeah I don't think the media should be anywhere near the MVP voting for any sport. Thats how we get winners well before the season is even over
2018 Lebron led harden in literally every category except points. They just wanted to give harden the MVP because they gave it to someone else when he averaged 36
Harden took the rockets to 65 games when cp3 was playing like 65 games and lot of injuries on the team
Harden led in win shares and wins per 48 plus all other advanced stats. And he averaged 36 pts in 2019
Harden only led in points because he averaged 11 free throws per game.
2017 is harden's mvp for all i know
@@poly_g6068 Jordan only averaged 36 because he shot 11 fts a game
I can't believe no one has mentioned he reversed the music, upbeat first, chill second.
MJ and LBJ should have way more MVPs. Kobe should have ZERO….
MJ probably should have had the first unanimous MVP but Lebron certainly should have had it even though 1 voter in NY thought Carmelo was…
Facts. Kobe never did anything without having a top Big Man carrying him.
Shaq piggy backed Kobe to his first 3 rings and Kobe couldnt sniff 50 wins without MVPau and Bynumite.
Kobe is easiy the most over rated player of the generation and was absolutely toxic his last 4 seasons.
He wasnt much better than a TMac or Carter, tbh.
Y'all tripping Kobe should have 3
That 2006 mvp he shouldve had and take out his actual mvp.
W
Few RUclipsrs draw actual ire while making me laugh & nod with respect like this man!!
One new subscriber added lol
Barry, please start doing "Top 10's" for various eras. Take the 60s-2010's. Do NFL and NBA. Even break it down to position like RBs or SG's.
Stats dont tell the whole story
2006 MVP should've gone to Dirk.
Nash had a case as well
@@tj5180 No he didn't. Dirk was better at every single advanced stats than Nash. Plus the Mavs won 6 more games than the Suns and Dirk played more minutes and games than Nash.
Basically half of this video is dunking on Bill Russell and I’m here for it
barry i for one am disgusted at how many black players you have included on this list, im vomiting and crying uncontrollably right now
Could people please stop using the term stat padding. It's such a stupid word and/or accusation, because it's virtually impossible to pull off, unless by stat padding you mean a guy who takes way too many shots to boost his points per game, despite having a low fg%.
2017 Russell Westbrook over James Harden
Russ lead the NBA in VORP, BPM and PER that year. His season BPM was (at the time) the highest ever by a player not named Jordan, LeBron, Curry or (David) Robinson. He deserved it. And even if you can make a case for someone else, choosing Westbrook over them wasn't egregious.
@@cobrallama6236 James Harden led the Rockets To 55 wins
I haven't seen anyone talk about this but I appreciate the slight background music
Was expecting Westbrook over Kawhi in 2017, the usage and efficiency numbers, stealing rebounds from Adams, chasing for bad kick out 3 assists and the thunder were mediocre. People were just looking at the triple doubles
What are you talking about? Stop talking out of your a**. Even after 'stealing rebounds' he had more contested rebounds than Kawhi, a guy who should be getting more. Westbrook kicking out to 3 for the assist led to the highest points ever via passes in NBA history and one of the highest True shooting percentage assists ever. Those kickouts literally created the most points ever in NBA history. How is that negative? His TS% was 56% or something similar, Kawhis was around the same. So what exactly did Kawhi do better other than defend?
Should have been named “Top MVP robberies of all time”
I disagree with almost half these picks. For ex. You said that Alan iverson was a shot chucker and had the same record as the lakers; but you made the argument that Shaq had better stats and adv stats. But then you said that 2018 lebron should have won the mvp over harden because of style of play ( I don’t think that’s a good argument) and he carried a ass team to the finals… that’s literally the same season that iverson had and the same circumstances. I understand you want to stand out in the RUclips space , but put more thought and research into your videos; Otherwise you’re just another skip bayless.
Facts
Good video Barry. Keep up the good NBA videos
Best teams to not win the finals would be awesome!
2002 kings is up there also the rockets with Barkley and Hakeem also drexler
Gotta say, I’m very surprised that Russ’ MVP season wasn’t on here, given what you’ve said about Russ in a past video
(Edit: I think Russ deserved it that year, I’m just surprised Barry didn’t put it on the list considering what he’s said about Russ in the past)
fr. Harden deserved that MVP
harden really did deserve it that year, it's just a pity that the narrative of Durant leaving, Russell carrying the team with forced triple doubles and not even being one of the best teams in the NBA, got him that award... After he won, everyone knew harden would get it the next year, robbing somebody else which was LeBron.
Say what you will about Russ now, but he lead the NBA in VORP, BPM and PER that year. In fact, his season BPM was (at the time) the highest ever by a player not named Jordan, LeBron, Curry or (David) Robinson. He deserved it. And even if you can make a case for someone else, choosing Westbrook over them wasn't egregious.
@@cobrallama6236 that was the only he lead on Harden which is individual advanced metrics meanwhile Harden overcome Westbrook in WS and WS per 48 meaning Harden help his team more than Russ as an individual. And the reason why Russ stats we're so inflated is because of his 41.7 usage rate the highest in NBA history (if u want to make a historic stats to praise Russ make sure to involved his historic usage rate too)
@@eijisawakita1654 Still not egregious. Both were worthy.
Derrick Rose scored or assisted on 60% of the Bulls field goals that entire season. The Bulls were 1 seed over the Heat and their second best player was Boozer. Their starting 2 guard scored single digit averages and worst in assists. You telling me Rose wasn't as good as Lebron that season???
Yes
@@poly_g6068 troll
LBJ scored more points and averaged about the same assists. He did so on better efficiency from the floor. You understand the Bulls were a defensive juggernaut that year, right? Rose was the worst defender on that team.
@@jacoblee5796 Lebron, Wade, Bosh (Miller Bibby Stackhouse) =#2
Rose, Deng, Boozer, Noah, Bogans (4ppg starting guard....) =#1 seed in the playoffs.
Get off Lebron's dick
DRose was like that and deserved his MVP. If it was about who the best player in the league is, Curry would have like 2-3 more MVPs
Lebron deserved it more
Curry has never been the best in the league df are you talking about🤣🤣🤣
@@nameless8435 No he didn't. The Bulls swept the Heat that season with a worse team and Rose led the Bulls to the best record with extremely good stats
@@mirongaines64 cap
@@nameless8435 Rose did deserve his MVP tho, and Lebron should’ve played better in the finals
I went to the Arby’s drive thru before the video started just to prepare myself
Honestly, if it wasn't DRose who deserved it in 2011, then Dwight deserved it. Lebron just had way too much help in 2011 for everyone to quickly forgive
Both Barkley and Malone had arguments to win their year's MVP. However, those Bill Russell ones were pretty bad.
saw drose and knew i wouldn’t like the video🙁 still gonna watch it tho
24 rebounds a game. Then again, a lot of the NBA was athletically and vertically challenged then, so if you had any one of those advantages, you'd be golden. If you had both, the numbers were your for the taking. Oh and did you see that sweet Jerry West stroke? Beautiful.
Remove Allen iverson from that 2001 sixers team and remove shaq from the lakers and try to convince me shaq was more valuable… it’s mvp not best player award
Is shaq even the best player? Lol his dominance is all about power, if he had iversons shot selection, his fg% would be ash
As a Cavs fan, thank you so much for that LeBron over Harden 2018 MVP pick!! LeBron was miles ahead of Harden in everything except for winning record. You take LeBron off of that team and you get the Cavs team we have seen every year after he left, except for this year (yay!). They gave it to Harden because Russell got the one last year, so they were forced. LeBron could've honestly won every year, but they have to give other players a chance. At 37 years old, he is still putting up numbers we have never seen before.
never, harden was much better in everything, including defense
@@asan5285 are you crazy? 🤣🤣 Look at him now, he can’t even score without getting his free throws. At least LeBron knows how to play basketball the right way. I think everyone would’ve taken Lebron over Harden on their team that year, every year before and every year since. Harden is a fucking joke!
I’m a Lebron fan probably the biggest one on planet Earth but in all honestly there’s no way Lebron deserved mvp over Harden Lebrons team only won 50 games in a weak eastern conference while Hardens team won 65 games in a stake western conference with the best team of all time playing in that conference and Harden averaged 30 points that year which lead the league in points that year as a Lebron fan I have to be honest all argument for Lebron winning mvp in 2018 over Harden is laughable
@@kendrickgabriel2858 I mean James Harden had Chris Paul and some great pieces around him. The Cavs had Kevin Love and scrubs.
@@talesfromthetrip wasn’t he the GM?
Bill Russell won his MVPs because of his historic defense. Like it was so insane that his defense had a bigger impact than a lot of players offensive ability. I'll agree with you on Wilt's 50 PPG season, but looking at impact stats and seeing how teams performed with players on/off the court, Russell was definitely the most valuable for a lot of his MVP seasons.
I couldn't agree more with the Harden take at the end. It's the only MVP the league has had that isn't an embarrassment to the MVP award, it's an embarrassment to the league itself. That anyone would reward someone's game that is entirely predicated on flopping, foul-baiting, and ref manipulation is disgusting.
Can we just call this video “stats is the only thing that matters to me”
There is a reason why the award is called “Most Valuable Player” and not “Player With the Best Stats”
I’m sorry, but did u Fr just say that Tom Brady gets worse in the playoffs? I wasn’t gonna say anything, since as u said, “this is your video,” but Brady is arguably the only guy that you can’t say gets worse in the post season.
Nah G, you gotta have Westbrook over Harden in 17. Harden was only a few assists and rebounds shy of a triple double, but lietrally everything else pointed to him. Advanced stats, efficiency, team record, you name it.
Westbrook literally carried a bad team to 6th seed in the West while averaging triple double. No way in hell Harden should have won it.
@@MikeBNumba6 Victor Oladipo wasn't that good in 2017 and you seriously brought up Taj Gibson and Steven Adams lmfao. That OKC team had 0 spacing, no scorer and playmaker apart from Westbrook. Houston team was much better built.
@@MikeBNumba6 Oladipo exploded in 2018 playoffs, he was nothing special in OKC. I'm nowhere near to being Westbrook fan, but seeing people talking about Harden deserving it more in 2017 is blasphemous. And Harden is getting exposed with no free throws. Westbrook was maybe chasing stats, but Harden was literally hunting for free throws for 48 minutes. He wasnt trying to play the game. Harden is a type of guy to exploit 2K glitches and animations.
@@MikeBNumba6 If memory serves you right, that is regular season award. And don't mention 2017 playoffs because Harden literally got embarassed by 48 year old Manu Ginobili. Harden is playoff choker.
Barry you can make a pigeon shitting in front of a camera intriguing. God bless you.
I agree with you on your hatred for James harden. The only player currently in the NBA that I hate more than lebron is James harden