Great video Austin. You can't force it to be something it's not. Nobody should be saying you didn't give it an honest effort. I may do my 10 shot ladder test our 26" 7 PRC with 175's, just to see where peak pressure is and what velocity we can achieve. But I want to finish the 160CX testing first. Good stuff, keep bringing the truth.
The fact that you got a free gun from Mossberg and honestly disclosed your negative experience with it is a HUGE mark in your favor. This gives you a lot of credibility with us viewers. Thanks!
If manufacturers are scrolling through these comments, take note. Start chambering and loading for the 6.8. The 6.8 Western has done everything it set out to do as a modern cartridge. Long live the 300 WSM and 6.8 Western.
@@natehayes82 because you'll get cheaper and more readily available gun and ammo. Winchester has done a terrible job both advertising and then updating the 270.
I agree, you should have picked up some Federal ammo. I am getting ~ 3000fps in three 7PRCs all with 24" barrels and a bit over 3000fps in the one I have with a 25" Brux barrel, with Federal's ELDX ammo. If you get another 7PRC to test, I would be happy to donate some ammo. I have 5 cases of that Federal factory ammo. Since you have a channel, reach out to Bergara and see if they will allow you to test their Wilderness Sierra in 7PRC. They have shorter barrels but look good. Of course on RUclips, I have no idea how to privately contact you but would ship you some ammo to test if there's a way to privately share a shipping address.
Makes me appreciate my 300WSM even more. It gets 3100fps with 175gr LRX and H100V with relative ease. I get minute of moose accuracy with my rifle every day all day if I do my part 🤣 Hey, who doesn’t like shooting cloverleafs at 100? But… for practical hunting, shooting dots at 100 is way overrated IMO. Cheers!
the truth is supply and demand. money talks. wars are going on and lot o bullets flying, rl 26 is a snipers delight! so big ammo manufacture are fighting together this for gun powder without any success. so fat big bucks American hunters and competition shooters are really sucking wind right now!
Actually there is a legitimate reason Alliant grades come from three sources: 1) Most Re grades from Eurenco Bofors in Sweden (which also produces all Norma marque powders) 2) A minority of Re grades (i/c Re17) from Nitrochemie Wimmins in Switzerland 3) All ball-technology powders from the General Dynamics' St. Marks Powder Co. plant in Florida Only St Marks isn't directly affected by the ammunition components crisis caused by Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Finland (which has just joined NATO and will shortly switch cartridges to 5.56/7.62 requiring a complete reinventory and replacement of its ammunition stocks) and Sweden are tooling up like nobody's business and sucking up vast quantities of powder for loading military smallarms ammo. (if you lived just across the Baltic Sea from Russia, you'd tool up too!)
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but Hornady marketing is genius, and a lot of people are falling for the hype. These guys were smart enough to increase twist rates, and spec tighter chambers. Very smart! But, there are a lot of great cartridges, that only need a quicker twist rate, to make them even better. 243 Win, 270 Win and the 7mm Rem Mag, just to name a few. Hell, the 6.8 Western is basically a fast twist 270 WSM. Hats off to Winchester. Rifle manufacturers are catching on, and offering several fast twist offerings.
Team 6.8 Western! Let's do this! Mine shot the 170 grain ballistic tips 2961 fps. That's 41 fps faster than advertised velocity. It shot 1 moa. I'm thrilled with the 6.8 Western.
It’s great, why they didn’t get a big advertisement push going is crazy to me, that’s why the PRC is the go, Hornady shoved it down our throats, everywhere you looked it was 7 PRC cheers people ✌️
I think they cooked the books on the overall speed of the prc. Similar to expectations of mileage on a vehicle. They market new cartridges to sell to the keep up with crowd. We will see in time which ones are the true best cartridge. Dust in wind for most.
What Hornady rocket science?? How about putting a proper ballistic label on that expense ammo?? How about correcting the 85 fps difference in the same box!!
I like how you put that. "7PRC is a good cartridge, it just isn't what the hype says it is". I'd have to agree 100% it's also certainly not the greatest cartridge ever made. But it is darn good for a factory offering. The frustration was never with the cartridge it was with the false hype and disingenuous marketing. Thanks for the honest review.
7PRC is the first 7 magnum where the freebore was designed correctly/appropriately, in my opinion. I love it. Regarding the "book max" discussions, I've gone away from even referring to this. The only book load that means anything to me is the starting load. From there, "max" is found in whatever rifle I'm loading for and I work up from starting or just over starting loads that are published. The majority of the time, my rifles achieve their max over or well over what any published data has. I have found a few combinations where my rifle's max was LESS than published. Case in point, I have two 270 Winchesters that cannot get to Barnes' published max of Reloder 19 powder (59.5 grains) and a 130 grain bullet. As to Mossberg, I've read it numerous times again and again, they make good shotguns. (That's where it ends). To me, with all the tech we have and expertise on firearms, even budget friendly rifles should have continuity of quality. The name Mossberg, like Christensen Arms, to me automatically means any rifle you buy is a gamble, a 50/50 chance at a lemon, or it could be a shooter. Not even worth whatever they (Mossberg) charge for it - $400? $500? $600? I'd rather put that money towards a build I'm going to have to save up for or just get a superior name brand, which, for me, is Tikka. However, I am watching some Bergara Wilderness Sierra's right now in 308 and 7PRC from $921 to $957.
You need an Xbolt. Why is everyone so obsessed with max speed? I’m more concerned about accuracy, reliability and consistency. My Xbolt 26” barrel is getting 3/4 moa or better with every factory round I put through it. Xbolt rifles are the new rifleman’s rifle. I have both 6.8 western and 7prc in Xbolt and am so pleased with the quality and performance of them that I have converted almost exclusively to Xbolt rifles!
@@Matt-en1knthis is interesting to me I have a xbolt in .300win that only shoots about 1.2” at best and Ab3 in .243 that is more like 2.0” and a xbolt in .270wsm that is about 2.0” very unimpressed with my brownings.
I own an X-Bolt in 300 H&H. Like yours, it’s 3/4” MOA. Best push feed rifle for the money. One problem is a heavy tripper, which is practically unadjustable unless you change the spring. That’s my only qualm.
@@falba1492 I didn’t mind the factory trigger but I’m getting into precision long range so I changed the spring out in both of my Xbolts and now have them set at 2.5 lbs which to me is perfect for hunting and precision shooting. I’m not an expert just my opinion!
I had an X-bolt in 22-250 and I couldn't get it to shoot. As far as the trigger it was awful even after replacing the spring. I know a lot of Browning rifles shoot amazing but I'm in no hurry to buy another one.
I helped my friend load for his 23 inch barrel custom 7 prc. The factory 180 eldm shoot about 2830 fps but with a large ES. Using ADG brass and H1000 we could get 3000 fps without seeing any noticeable pressure but with hornady brass it's not possible without blowing primers or having very loose primer pockets. We settled on berger 180 hybrid target and 180 eldm around 2840 fps. With the 168 barnes lrx we used hornady brass for load development and velocities much over 3025 fps started to give primer pocket issues. The 168 lrx with Adg brass at 3000 fps using h4831sc gave great results and consistency. Zero pressure signs too. N560 is also a good powder for faster velocity in 168 or smaller bullets and n565 is excellent with 175 to 180 grain. R26 is excellent for speed but it's almost impossible to find. When shooting copper bullets, try jumping them between 0.075 to 0.125 inch from light jam (using hornady guage). We also had better success with less pressure jumping the 180 target type bullets near 0.100 also. The biggest key for shooting faster loads is to use premium brass like adg or lapua as the cases handle pressure much better than hornady brass. Basically with Handloading, a 7mm rem mag and 7 prc are very similar (7 prc holds about 2 grains less powder). With custom rifles in 1:8 twist barrels and premium brass, velocities and accuracy was very similar. The 7 prc has a slight advantage in a short barrel but a 7 saum is a better choice for shooters wanting sub 22 inch barrels and or shooting suppressed.
I agree concerning the 7saum..disappointed it went away..friend had one in a little ruger that was just absolutely fantastic..sold it when winchester beat remington out in the short action magnum wars and you could no longer find ammo for it..but i will agree as it's already been stated elsewhere, that there are many great cartridges being developed that are really not needed..just to be contemporary and sell new rifles. You have to be a reloader,experienced with access to the nessasary components to keep them running. The great 338federal comes to mind. ..and there are and will be many others.
@@camwinston5248 the 7 saum has made a bit of a comeback with custom gun builders as it's very efficient, especially with suppressors. You can build a rifle on a short or long action where as the wsm calibers are needing a medium action for proper use of case capacity with copper or long target bullets. The 6.8 western is another great case in either a short or medium action. The 300 wsm in a medium action and suppressed with a 18-20 inch barrel is really efficient. The 7 prc is too long for a medium action but not enough more case capacity to justify a long action. I like the case as its pretty efficient compared to a 28 nosler but it's not faster or much better than a 7 mag unless the purpose is to shoot heavy target/hunting bullets like eldx, eldm and berger.
@@ReloadingWeatherby you have a fun and honest channel with real data. Its not super technical so it's easy for normal shooters to relate. I appreciate your passion for shooting and reloading.
Mossberg patriots tend to be less accurate. Ultimate reloader has the backfire channels Mossberg and it appears it is a bedding design how the mag well fits into the stock. So a poor design.
Yes, the bedding is poor. However, the BIGGEST issue I’ve found is their factory installed base that is causing the accuracy issue. They use 6-48 screws that are too long and the front most screw hits the barrel threads. They come from the factory like this. The base can move enough to affect accuracy. Also, they’re such cheap 6-48’s that the size Allen is too small for a 6-48 and even using the correct size Allen wrench, two of the four on mine stripped. I had to use a left-hand drill bit set from HF to remove those two. Once I replaced with the EGW base the accuracy was actually very good. I think many, many Patriots accuracy issues are because of this base issue. With that said, I agree that the bedding situation is not confidence inspiring to say the least.
Exactly , a good cartridge that’s not needed ( except maybe for target use ) ! It’s all about selling new rifles . Stop falling for the hype ! Thanks for all your hard work for us !…….
Good video. Kudos for being fair and honest to the best of your ability. Couple thoughts. 1. Every Mfg has variables in their products. 2. I don't think any of us were expecting match performance, from a $450-500 gun... and not everyone hunting needs a 1000 yard track driver. That rifle and cartridge would meet the needs of 90% of the hunters out there today. On the 7PRC. People are still talking about the disappointing velocities of Hornady anmo... Just a reminder.. WHEN the original Hornady ammo was delivering 3000fps... Don't forget that many rifles were also blowing primers! The facts seem to indicate, that even with RL-26... the velocities were not legitimate for factory rifles and factory ammo.
So glad I bought a 6.5 PRC instead. I'm using Barnes Copper for hunting. This gun is a Howa 1500 24" carbon wrapped barrel threaded for a brake etc. I'm using H1000 powder. Still in the midst of load development, for a very early winter Cow Elk tag in Utah. This rifle replaces a 270 Winchester that im selling.
I saw in another video that the PRC calibers seem to produce a carbon ring faster than traditional calibers due to the tight chamber dimensions and this might have contributed to the pressures you were observing. The video said you should clean your barrel thoroughly at every 40 rounds. Depending how much factory ammo you shot you might have been approaching 40 rounds before you even started reloading. This is just a thought. Maybe traditional calibers were designed the way they were for a reason. Better functionality in adverse conditions. If you're going to use tight tolerances you will need to be more careful to keep everything super clean to insure accuracy and performance.
@@llamawizard I had a mossberg patriot in 3006 that was all over the place. I sold it to a friend and his son put about a 100 rounds through it and finally started grouping about 1.5 MOA.
Thanks for the great video and honest reporting of findings. Bummer you didn’t have the luck you were hoping for, but these points are very valid and good for people to be aware of. When there’s so much hype on the market and so many devoted fan boys it’s hard to navigate the BS. I’ve had great luck with the 7 PRC myself and can say I’m very pleased with its performance. I’m a fan of it but I realize its limits as well. So I’m a fan, but not a fan boy 😂
That was fair description of the Cartridge in my opinion. It's no whiz bang ultra mag..but can pretty much equal the 7mm Rem mag. I have a 7 prc..its the most accurate rifle I have..its a 26 in barrel 700 long range. I thought about trading it in for a bona fide whiz bang..like 6.5 x 300 or .257 wby...but it just shoots to good that I can't part with it..I hope to get a garmin chronograph soon..and find out its velocities with the 3 diff factory loads I have for it..thank you for your videos..keep up the good work.
Meanwhile, I got a new Ruger American Gen 2 standard in 7mm-08. Didn't do anything other than clip the trigger spring a little at a time to get a nice 2.5 lb trigger pull. So far it's shot 5/8 and and 3/4 inch groups with a couple of different factory loads. Very pleased with it!
I’ve had my Sako 75 in 7mm08 for 10 plus maybe 15 plus years now and it ain’t going anywhere without me, that7mm08 has never let me down, the best round out there, of course this just my two cents worth, there is lots of great rounds, anyway take care and stay safe cheers people cheers Yogi ✌️🇦🇺
Excellent overview and review of this cartridge and a $500 rifle with good features for the price and even trying it out in a $2200+ rifle. I kind of want a do all cartridge that I can learn long range shooting, run suppressed and use to hunt anything up to and including elk in a lighter rifle. Plus I want a left hand rifle instead of a right hand rifle like my 300 WSM is chambered in. I do have a 270 Win, but I am not going to thread the barrel on a rifle that my Dad bought me 25 years ago. I still think that 7mm PRC could be a good choice but I know that I can find 7mm REM Mag ammo in any store vs 7 PRC if I head out west and lose my ammo.
You are correct about the powder situation but there is one slight discrepancy when you say you can not reach 3000 FPS. You can reach the 3000 fps but you will need to jam the bullet causing a pressure buildup that will likely put you way over pressure. I encountered a box of Hornady CX outfitter for the 7PRC and several of them would not even chamber they are pushed so far into the lands. The ones that did fire were all around 3000 because they were making contact with the lands and creating more pressure from this resistance. ALL of the cartridges in 3 boxes of CX from this lot had ejector imprints. On deconstruction I found a compressed load of StaballHD, which is why they physically COUND NOT seat the bullet any deeper into the cartridge. It's no wonder you get carbon ring after 2 boxes and fire cracking after 3-400 shots. What a nightmare.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Most welcome! If you want to verity the bit about increase in pressure, the Quickload software has a note about 6000PSI increase to your initial pressure as soon as you touch the lands. Keep those videos coming!
Very much appreciated your take, on everything you do and say on your channel. Very glad you didn’t become a shill for Mossberg. It’s a cheap, decent rifle, but the norm is not sub MOA performance. Beer 🍺 should never be mistaken for champagne 🍾, but it can quench the thirst.
Good video, I’m really interested in the upcoming 7 wsm videos you have on the way. PS I got my Weatherby Mark V Live Wild in 280 Ackley. It actually came in 2 months early, I’m anxious to get it to the range, but it’s either raining or a 100 degrees.
Okay, I finally have some data with 7mm PRC, Factory Hornady ammo Hunter and match with my heavy 30" barrel I recently set up with a Tikka action. Match 180 gr, the average was 2948.5 FPS, Hunter 175 gr, the average was 3021.0 FPS. Both were under .5 moa. You might be interested. Only 80 rounds through the barrel, so it should speed up closer to 200 rounds. My 190 Berger reloads average 2837 fps just at the start of pressure signs with H1000 at 65 gr, which aligns with the Hornady data. It was all using Hornady brass, I finally received some ADG brass, so looking forward to seeing how it performs.
I think you would have kept that cartridge if you had a better rifle. I’m a 7mm rem mag guy and always have been but did buy a Savage 110 Timberline 7mm PRC and it’s a shooter,, won’t be getting rid of mine!
Whats the bore look like? If the stock/bedding wasnt an issue i would try tubbs final finish bullets to smooth the barrel out and then try loading for it. May come around. It tends to copper foul much less and clean up much easier and improved my 257 roberts tremendously
Great video! Thanks for the info! The cartridge does seem to do what it claims with Federal Ammo. I get average velocity of 3045 fps and 49 fps extreme spread with 170 gr Terminal Accent.
I'm stepping down to 7 PRC and 6.5 PRC. A Weatherby 307 and a Savage Klym. They're both hunting rifles and not target guns. However, I expect MOA. Did you ever look at the plastic bedding block in your Patriot? I mentioned this before. They crack if action screws tightened too tight! I believe 25ip MAX! That's why MB puts red locker on action screws. Cracked and gun no shoot!😢😢😢
IMPORTANT: It looks like you have the factory base on it. Unfortunately, they chose to use cheap fasteners that I believe are too long with the frontmost one hitting barrel threads from factory (allowing base to move ever so slightly and affecting accuracy). It’s been awhile since I had mine, but the Allen head size was too small for the size of the 6-48 and it cannot handle the torque for removal, and the head stripped when trying to remove. They used patch style loc-tite on it. I had to use a left-hand drill bit to remove two of the four screws; the receiver threads were still perfect (it was only head of 6-48’s that were damaged).
I like the guys who say "my rifle doesn't show any pressure signs with my handloads" that are way over book max. Maybe they don't show seat of the pants pressure signs but that doesn't mean they're not 75K psi.
if they were that far over pressure you would know without a shadow of a doubt. It has been proven so many times that reloading book are on the very conservative side. It would be near impossible for every person that goes over book (which is a stupidly high number) to be perfectly fine if what you say were true. sounds like you might just need to educate yourself some. You can not go over pressure by anywhere near that without signs of it let alone something worse happening
The only recent cartridge I can think of that's a massive jump forward has been the .277 Fury that case designed for higher pressure has real potential in larger cases provided receivers can hold up
I think it's really cool that Mossberg sent you that rifle to test. We have two Patriots in our home - one in 6.5 Creedmoor and one in 7mm08. I bought them both for my kids to deer hunt with. The one in 6.5 Creedmoor shoots sub 1/2 moa (believe it or not) but the one in 7mm08 is nowhere near as accurate. I put Timney triggers on both and set for 1.5lbs. Both guns function very well and are pretty good guns considering what I paid for them. The one thing I dislike the most is the way the action is bedded to the stock. Maybe it could be glass and/or pillar bedded and shoot better, I don't know. But unless Mossberg changes this and improves their bedding (or whatever the heck is causing these guns to shoot like crap) it's very unlikely that I will buy another one. I'm curious to see what your next Weatherby cartridge will be.
I hope you revisit it at some point with a different rifle. It has been interesting to watch. Im still being easy on mine, haven't started leaning on it too hard yet.
@@ReloadingWeatherby Will do. I'm currently getting my nephews car ready for Miatas at the Gap and then I'll be getting back to it. I have 100pcs of ADG brass once fired, cleaned, sized, primed, and ready to load.
Every rifle brand seems to have some issue with their rifles except accuracy. That’s literally the worst issue mossburg needs to figure it out I would buy almost anything but their rifles. Seems a lot of people are having pressure issues with the 7prc because the chamber is so tight.
I know a lot of people fall for those short Barrels new calibers,but if I want accuracy knock down and range,I bring out my 7mm stw with 160Acubonds with Magnum powder beats about anything,is is a 700 Remington Sendero
Honestly, you can almost get to 7mm PRC velocities with the same weight bullets in a 280 AI. Quite a bit less powder and less recoil. I'm going to keep my 7 PRC but I'm going to build a 280 AI as well
Just picked up a 7prc in a cva cascade lrh to say I’m impressed is an understatement it’s consistently be under half moa with just factory match Ammo didn’t bother cronoing it yet we all know slower than box says but this gun is crazy accurate also seen who tee whoo’s lrh is super accurate
I love your content. Mainly bc I'm a wby man but I did jump on the 7prc wagon. Hate you got a dud bc some are doing really well. I do think Hornaday over sold it but federal factory is rite very close to the velocity advertised. I just got mine broke in to where my father is going to start load development. Do you have any content on the RPM cartridges?
Interesting fact…I have a CVA Cascade and a Weatherby 307 in 7mm PRC. The CVA shows pressure MUCH faster than the 307, I worked up loads and shot them in both rifles. The Weatherby is getting 100 FPS faster with a 2” shorter barrel, only factor is the chamber since I was able to work loads up higher. I am no expert as to why there is a various difference in chambers and pressure. You may want to try a different rifle…
I personally haven't had good luck with Hornaday ammunition. I haven't tried the CX, I've only shot American Whitetail and Precision hunter. My favorite ammo is Federal and have had great results with the blue box, fusion and terminal ascent. I think for the money that fusion is one of the best rouds out there. I have tested them and they expand and hold together really well. I'm not a fan of frangible bullets so i wouldn't buy eldx or berger even if Federal was producing it. I don't own a 7mm PRC as i dont see that much advantage over my 7mm rem mag.
Soft brass brands vs tough brass brands also comes into play when showing pressure signs. I would make sure that the action is bedded, barrel is freefoated before I ever fire a round....good time and money spent!
7 PRC or 300 WSM? I'm considering both in a new hunting rifle. I was decided on the 7, but now that the facts have surfaced, I'm wondering if the 300 WSM would be better? (I hunt in Alaska, Wyoming and Colorado.)
Don’t own a 7 PRC , but the WSM is a rippa, if you offered me a new 7 PRC for my 300 WSM I’d decline that offer, it works fine for my needs, cheers Yogi ✌️🇦🇺
On my Savage you will not run over book max with 7PRC. Actually with n560 i run almost 3 grains under max to not hit pressure but still has good speeds. I will say this gun has been an little aggravating compared to the other cartidges ive loaded. Been debating on a rebarrel in some other long action magnum
The reason for the velocity issues boils down to Hornady changing powder on their 7PRC loads and not telling anyone while keeping the velocities on the packaging from the original powder. If you doubt what I'm saying just give Hornady a ring and inquire yourself. Sadly Hornady didn't think through what would happen if they failed to inform the public about their ammo recipe change while keeping the original ballistic data on the box??
First off, love your channel. As for velocity, if the load is accurate, velocity doesn't matter. If you're hitting your target , we'll that's the whole point ain't it? Will the animal notice the difference in velocity?
I was just looking into 28 nosler with factory nosler ammo claimed it would 3200 fps with 160 ballistic tips. My 7mm weatherby with 160 partition weatherby factory ammo my rifle is a stock mark v with 26 inch barrel through my chronograph it shot 3200 fps with 160 partition and 3300 fps with 150 ballistic tip my be worth looking into maybe new video. 😊
Love them or hate them. Ruger American series. Have been on average the most accurate out of the box rifle for me. Yes they need trigger help. I'm not a big fan of the AR style magazines. However they shoot well.
The saying “you get what you pay for” comes into play here I think. Mossberg Patriots aren’t the most accurate rifles. Especially with those ridiculous plastic bedding blocks. Their barrels aren’t anything to gloat about either. Get yourself a good, quality rifle with a quality barrel and watch your results drastically change. My hunting rifle has a 22” Proof barrel shooting factory 175’s at 2,865. Reloads with H4831 are hitting 3010, but show the best accuracy backed off to 2950. Bad factory ammunition from Hornady, using a powder supply issue as an excuse, is ridiculous. Federal is using the same bullet getting acceptable results. On the rifle side, custom built rifles and higher end factory rifles aren’t having any issues either. At the end of the day though, regardless of the rifle/cartridge combination, I would rather it shoot accurately rather than it shoot fast. I can always add some elevation adjustment. Just my two cents. God bless.
@@ReloadingWeatherby and 565… have had real world exposure with VERY positive results - testing with a friend - 24” barrel. 160 Hot Cor, 175 LRX, and 175 ELDX. Very accurate powder IMO. Testing Grand soon because it was available for purchase as well.
If I were to buy a bolt action factory rifle it would be a Bergara maybe a tikka not mossberg. I have several custom bolt actions and they are 1/2 moa rifles The 7 prc able to hit 3000 with the correct powder. Hornady was not able to source the proper powder. Get a longer barrel 26+ easy decision and if you are a reloader you can get a lot of performance. Also you always need the best brass alpha Lapua Peterson etc… A match grad barrel will have a better cut chamber helping pressure with good brass. Reloading manuals are often written to a mild max change to please the insurance company’s and attorneys. Load at your own risk like always or run factory ammo. It’s that’s simple Get a 28 nosler if you want a laser beam but that will come at huge recoil cost
@reloadingweatherby if you could check your brass I'd like to know the volume of your brass.... Should be around 84 g but I have seen Kats getting 79 to 80
There are some seaters with vld type stems you can buy. For most part its not a problem unless you run very tight neck tension and then the seater may mark/deform your bullets.
@@zebacake4683 yeah thats all I use is rcbs stuff and so far no major issues. My 300 wsm die did have tight neck tension and the seater would score the vld bergers. I went to a bushing die for that gun and no more issues with .001 less tension. My 308 and 28 nos dont have issues
My experience with velocities in book specs is different that yours. In my 22” barrel, with 65.5gr of N560 and 175gr ELD-X, I’m getting 2945, so …. Every gun is different. Barrel quality is a major factor. A mass produced factory barrel isn’t going to perform as well as some others.
Curious… I’ve never reloaded for a cartridge that has so much variability across the bullet selection for OAL… are you on book-ish for the 175 ELDX? I know more to it than that but I’m curious where you landed… loaded with a friend 160 Hot Cor, 175 LRX and 175 ELDX and the COAL really surprised me.
The 7mm mags need a 26” barrel to get max velocities and so what, its a magnum. My Rem Mag has a 26” barrel and I love it. Go to the gym if you can’t carry it, suck it up if ya wanna shoot a magnum. Happy Huntin.
Book max needs some explanation. The Book is an illustration of the pressures of what happens in the ballistic lab with their rifle, their components. The book is meant to be a guide, not an absolute. Your rifle, your components maybe very different.
The books are certainly not the Bible of handloading. But in the two rifles I tested the books were right on. But that isn't always the case. My Weatherby rifles hit pressure way before book max, but they are also 200-300 FPS faster than the book velocities.
I enjoyed you video on “Saying goodbye to my 7mm PRC.” You gave the rifle and the cartridge a fair shake. I’d definitely cut the rifle and cartridges loose too. You mentioned that you got a lot of criticism for your objective opinion on the cartridge and rifle. Isn’t it funny how everyone on RUclips and the shooting forums always seem to know more than you, their rifles always shoot less than 1/2 MOA, and their muzzle velocities are always 200 fps plus, faster than the maximum listed velocities in the reloading manuals? I like your content on your videos and I commend you on being objective. Don’t let anyone discourage you for that. The 7mm PRC isn’t for everyone. It’s a “new hype” cartridge that in truth, doesn’t do anything the the old cartridges of yesteryear haven’t already been doing for decades.
Less than 3” groups at 100 yards with box ammunition and a mass produced rifle is an hunting rifle. Anything around 1.5” groups is an accurate rifle. Less than 1” (sub-MOA) is a Precision rifle. From there, you can go to custom loads and custom builds. You don’t always “get what you pay for”, and many people get sub MOA with the right lot of OTC ammunition and a $1200 rifle, but most are spending more than $2000 in that space.
@reloadingweatherby Austin, I hope all is well. I wanted to speak my piece here, as I have heard you say a something a number of times in a few of your videos that are incorrect. Minimum Impact velocities. For reference; Hornady ELD-X Official Minimum Impact Velocity to reliably initiate expansion: 1600 FPS Federal Terminal Ascent Official Minimum Impact Velocity to reliably initiate Expansion; 1400 FPS Nosler Accubond LR Official Minimum Impact Velocity to reliably initiate expansion; 1300 FPS I feel as though you should add disclaimers to a few of your videos updating your viewers on this information. While I generally agree with you that the vast majority of people should not be hunting past ranges where this starts to negatively affect most factory loads, I can see this coming to effect reloaders that are planning to download to these velocities for reduced recoil loads (Kids, Wives, Disabled, Older, ETC...) Personally, I can attest to the Terminal Ascent expanding at roughly 1462 FPS (.308, estimated based on velocities certified by chrono prior to hunt). I feel as this is valuable information and should be portrayed correctly across social media platforms, to keep the industry honest and the people informed. This is not meant to be demeaning, and hopefully it wont be received that way. I enjoy your content and I will continue to follow you, but I just wanted to make sure you were informed of this info. Thank you!
Hi Devin, thanks for your comment. I'm not sure if I trust the manufacturer on minimum velocity expansion. So I always error on a higher velocity to almost guarantee expansion. ruclips.net/video/1bxDjDXDKM4/видео.html
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Great video Austin. You can't force it to be something it's not. Nobody should be saying you didn't give it an honest effort.
I may do my 10 shot ladder test our 26" 7 PRC with 175's, just to see where peak pressure is and what velocity we can achieve. But I want to finish the 160CX testing first.
Good stuff, keep bringing the truth.
Thanks, look forward to more of your testing!
The fact that you got a free gun from Mossberg and honestly disclosed your negative experience with it is a HUGE mark in your favor. This gives you a lot of credibility with us viewers. Thanks!
How do you get a free gun?? That's what I'd like to find out! LOL!
If manufacturers are scrolling through these comments, take note. Start chambering and loading for the 6.8. The 6.8 Western has done everything it set out to do as a modern cartridge. Long live the 300 WSM and 6.8 Western.
7 Wby Mag next. I am actually excited about the 7 WSM trials
Same mate, that 7 WSM is a great round, looking forward to seeing how he goes with it, cheers Yogi ✌️
Do more on the 6.8 Western
It’s a great cartridge & needs love & support 🇦🇺
I'd just buy a 270 with the faster twist rate now that their being produced.
@alexheilman1035 why do that when you can get a 6.8 western
@@natehayes82 because you'll get cheaper and more readily available gun and ammo. Winchester has done a terrible job both advertising and then updating the 270.
@alexheilman1035 think your rite. I am a lefty and hope browning makes it in lefty.
@@travissmith-wz5ncthey do make it in lefty
I agree, you should have picked up some Federal ammo. I am getting ~ 3000fps in three 7PRCs all with 24" barrels and a bit over 3000fps in the one I have with a 25" Brux barrel, with Federal's ELDX ammo. If you get another 7PRC to test, I would be happy to donate some ammo. I have 5 cases of that Federal factory ammo. Since you have a channel, reach out to Bergara and see if they will allow you to test their Wilderness Sierra in 7PRC. They have shorter barrels but look good.
Of course on RUclips, I have no idea how to privately contact you but would ship you some ammo to test if there's a way to privately share a shipping address.
Good onya mate, very nice offer, things like that make me smile, cheers Yogi 🤙✌️🇦🇺
Would like to see more of 6.8 western!
Makes me appreciate my 300WSM even more. It gets 3100fps with 175gr LRX and H100V with relative ease.
I get minute of moose accuracy with my rifle every day all day if I do my part 🤣
Hey, who doesn’t like shooting cloverleafs at 100? But… for practical hunting, shooting dots at 100 is way overrated IMO.
Cheers!
My 300WSM does the same thing with 175 SMKs.
"Only accurate guns are interesting" - Townsend Whelen.
And there's no legitimate reason for the shortage of RL26.
the truth is supply and demand. money talks. wars are going on and lot o bullets flying, rl 26 is a snipers delight! so big ammo manufacture are fighting together this for gun powder without any success. so fat big bucks American hunters and competition shooters are really sucking wind right now!
Actually there is a legitimate reason
Alliant grades come from three sources:
1) Most Re grades from Eurenco Bofors in Sweden (which also produces all Norma marque powders)
2) A minority of Re grades (i/c Re17) from Nitrochemie Wimmins in Switzerland
3) All ball-technology powders from the General Dynamics' St. Marks Powder Co. plant in Florida
Only St Marks isn't directly affected by the ammunition components crisis caused by Russia's invasion of Ukraine. Finland (which has just joined NATO and will shortly switch cartridges to 5.56/7.62 requiring a complete reinventory and replacement of its ammunition stocks) and Sweden are tooling up like nobody's business and sucking up vast quantities of powder for loading military smallarms ammo. (if you lived just across the Baltic Sea from Russia, you'd tool up too!)
I don’t have a dog in this fight, but Hornady marketing is genius, and a lot of people are falling for the hype.
These guys were smart enough to increase twist rates, and spec tighter chambers. Very smart!
But, there are a lot of great cartridges, that only need a quicker twist rate, to make them even better. 243 Win, 270 Win and the 7mm Rem Mag, just to name a few.
Hell, the 6.8 Western is basically a fast twist 270 WSM. Hats off to Winchester.
Rifle manufacturers are catching on, and offering several fast twist offerings.
Team 6.8 Western! Let's do this! Mine shot the 170 grain ballistic tips 2961 fps. That's 41 fps faster than advertised velocity. It shot 1 moa. I'm thrilled with the 6.8 Western.
Hand loads or factory ammo? I don’t like Winchester ammo.
@@falba1492 factory.
Love my 6.8 western as well! Getting about .75 inch groups with the Barnes 155 grain LRX @ 3,000 fps
It’s great, why they didn’t get a big advertisement push going is crazy to me, that’s why the PRC is the go, Hornady shoved it down our throats, everywhere you looked it was 7 PRC cheers people ✌️
So you would rather to have grizzly ammo over Winchester ?
It's funny to watch the "Sunk-cost" fallacy unfold in real-time with this cartridge........
"B-b-but the ballistic coefficient!!!"
Lol
Lmfao even, i cant wait till this PRC long range fad is over
@tacticalmattfoley sunk cost fallacy is a bitter pill to swallow when your reputation stands on your continuing on..
I think they cooked the books on the overall speed of the prc. Similar to expectations of mileage on a vehicle. They market new cartridges to sell to the keep up with crowd. We will see in time which ones are the true best cartridge. Dust in wind for most.
What Hornady rocket science?? How about putting a proper ballistic label on that expense ammo?? How about correcting the 85 fps difference in the same box!!
I like how you put that. "7PRC is a good cartridge, it just isn't what the hype says it is". I'd have to agree 100% it's also certainly not the greatest cartridge ever made. But it is darn good for a factory offering. The frustration was never with the cartridge it was with the false hype and disingenuous marketing. Thanks for the honest review.
7PRC is the first 7 magnum where the freebore was designed correctly/appropriately, in my opinion. I love it. Regarding the "book max" discussions, I've gone away from even referring to this. The only book load that means anything to me is the starting load. From there, "max" is found in whatever rifle I'm loading for and I work up from starting or just over starting loads that are published. The majority of the time, my rifles achieve their max over or well over what any published data has. I have found a few combinations where my rifle's max was LESS than published. Case in point, I have two 270 Winchesters that cannot get to Barnes' published max of Reloder 19 powder (59.5 grains) and a 130 grain bullet.
As to Mossberg, I've read it numerous times again and again, they make good shotguns. (That's where it ends). To me, with all the tech we have and expertise on firearms, even budget friendly rifles should have continuity of quality. The name Mossberg, like Christensen Arms, to me automatically means any rifle you buy is a gamble, a 50/50 chance at a lemon, or it could be a shooter. Not even worth whatever they (Mossberg) charge for it - $400? $500? $600? I'd rather put that money towards a build I'm going to have to save up for or just get a superior name brand, which, for me, is Tikka. However, I am watching some Bergara Wilderness Sierra's right now in 308 and 7PRC from $921 to $957.
Everything you have said about the 7 prc is happening to me as well and I mean everything.
What gun do you have?
You need an Xbolt. Why is everyone so obsessed with max speed? I’m more concerned about accuracy, reliability and consistency. My Xbolt 26” barrel is getting 3/4 moa or better with every factory round I put through it. Xbolt rifles are the new rifleman’s rifle. I have both 6.8 western and 7prc in Xbolt and am so pleased with the quality and performance of them that I have converted almost exclusively to Xbolt rifles!
My x bolt is getting 3/4 Moa in 7mmprc never owned a browning that will not shoot
@@Matt-en1knthis is interesting to me I have a xbolt in .300win that only shoots about 1.2” at best and Ab3 in .243 that is more like 2.0” and a xbolt in .270wsm that is about 2.0” very unimpressed with my brownings.
I own an X-Bolt in 300 H&H. Like yours, it’s 3/4” MOA. Best push feed rifle for the money. One problem is a heavy tripper, which is practically unadjustable unless you change the spring. That’s my only qualm.
@@falba1492
I didn’t mind the factory trigger but I’m getting into precision long range so I changed the spring out in both of my Xbolts and now have them set at 2.5 lbs which to me is perfect for hunting and precision shooting. I’m not an expert just my opinion!
I had an X-bolt in 22-250 and I couldn't get it to shoot. As far as the trigger it was awful even after replacing the spring. I know a lot of Browning rifles shoot amazing but I'm in no hurry to buy another one.
I helped my friend load for his 23 inch barrel custom 7 prc. The factory 180 eldm shoot about 2830 fps but with a large ES. Using ADG brass and H1000 we could get 3000 fps without seeing any noticeable pressure but with hornady brass it's not possible without blowing primers or having very loose primer pockets. We settled on berger 180 hybrid target and 180 eldm around 2840 fps. With the 168 barnes lrx we used hornady brass for load development and velocities much over 3025 fps started to give primer pocket issues. The 168 lrx with Adg brass at 3000 fps using h4831sc gave great results and consistency. Zero pressure signs too. N560 is also a good powder for faster velocity in 168 or smaller bullets and n565 is excellent with 175 to 180 grain. R26 is excellent for speed but it's almost impossible to find. When shooting copper bullets, try jumping them between 0.075 to 0.125 inch from light jam (using hornady guage). We also had better success with less pressure jumping the 180 target type bullets near 0.100 also. The biggest key for shooting faster loads is to use premium brass like adg or lapua as the cases handle pressure much better than hornady brass. Basically with Handloading, a 7mm rem mag and 7 prc are very similar (7 prc holds about 2 grains less powder). With custom rifles in 1:8 twist barrels and premium brass, velocities and accuracy was very similar. The 7 prc has a slight advantage in a short barrel but a 7 saum is a better choice for shooters wanting sub 22 inch barrels and or shooting suppressed.
Thanks for sharing Brian
Great comment mate, very helpful, thanks mate, cheers Yogi ✌️
I agree concerning the 7saum..disappointed it went away..friend had one in a little ruger that was just absolutely fantastic..sold it when winchester beat remington out in the short action magnum wars and you could no longer find ammo for it..but i will agree as it's already been stated elsewhere, that there are many great cartridges being developed that are really not needed..just to be contemporary and sell new rifles. You have to be a reloader,experienced with access to the nessasary components to keep them running. The great 338federal comes to mind. ..and there are and will be many others.
@@camwinston5248 the 7 saum has made a bit of a comeback with custom gun builders as it's very efficient, especially with suppressors. You can build a rifle on a short or long action where as the wsm calibers are needing a medium action for proper use of case capacity with copper or long target bullets. The 6.8 western is another great case in either a short or medium action. The 300 wsm in a medium action and suppressed with a 18-20 inch barrel is really efficient. The 7 prc is too long for a medium action but not enough more case capacity to justify a long action. I like the case as its pretty efficient compared to a 28 nosler but it's not faster or much better than a 7 mag unless the purpose is to shoot heavy target/hunting bullets like eldx, eldm and berger.
@@ReloadingWeatherby you have a fun and honest channel with real data. Its not super technical so it's easy for normal shooters to relate. I appreciate your passion for shooting and reloading.
Mossberg patriots tend to be less accurate. Ultimate reloader has the backfire channels Mossberg and it appears it is a bedding design how the mag well fits into the stock. So a poor design.
Yes, the bedding is poor. However, the BIGGEST issue I’ve found is their factory installed base that is causing the accuracy issue. They use 6-48 screws that are too long and the front most screw hits the barrel threads. They come from the factory like this. The base can move enough to affect accuracy. Also, they’re such cheap 6-48’s that the size Allen is too small for a 6-48 and even using the correct size Allen wrench, two of the four on mine stripped. I had to use a left-hand drill bit set from HF to remove those two. Once I replaced with the EGW base the accuracy was actually very good. I think many, many Patriots accuracy issues are because of this base issue. With that said, I agree that the bedding situation is not confidence inspiring to say the least.
@@ryanstines9748 sounds like they should be avoided until they come out with a Gen ii to fix some of these issues.
Exactly , a good cartridge that’s not needed ( except maybe for target use ) ! It’s all about selling new rifles . Stop falling for the hype ! Thanks for all your hard work for us !…….
Great video. Thanks for being honest. Thanks for sharing.
Good video.
Kudos for being fair and honest to the best of your ability.
Couple thoughts.
1. Every Mfg has variables in their products.
2. I don't think any of us were expecting match performance, from a $450-500 gun... and not everyone hunting needs a 1000 yard track driver.
That rifle and cartridge would meet the needs of 90% of the hunters out there today.
On the 7PRC.
People are still talking about the disappointing velocities of Hornady anmo...
Just a reminder..
WHEN the original Hornady ammo was delivering 3000fps...
Don't forget that many rifles were also blowing primers!
The facts seem to indicate, that even with RL-26... the velocities were not legitimate for factory rifles and factory ammo.
I'm very aware of pressure issues with the original Hornady ammo
So glad I bought a 6.5 PRC instead. I'm using Barnes Copper for hunting. This gun is a Howa 1500 24" carbon wrapped barrel threaded for a brake etc. I'm using H1000 powder. Still in the midst of load development, for a very early winter Cow Elk tag in Utah. This rifle replaces a 270 Winchester that im selling.
Thanks for watching
Good video!! Yup you convinced me!! Gonna start looking on guns international for a Remington 700 in 7mm Rem Mag! Thanks for the info
I saw in another video that the PRC calibers seem to produce a carbon ring faster than traditional calibers due to the tight chamber dimensions and this might have contributed to the pressures you were observing. The video said you should clean your barrel thoroughly at every 40 rounds. Depending how much factory ammo you shot you might have been approaching 40 rounds before you even started reloading. This is just a thought. Maybe traditional calibers were designed the way they were for a reason. Better functionality in adverse conditions. If you're going to use tight tolerances you will need to be more careful to keep everything super clean to insure accuracy and performance.
I saw that too. It does make sense.
Your spot on I got rid of my 7 prc and went back to a browning and 6.5 prc, best decision I ever made
Great review mate 👍🇦🇺
That guy in Utah also had accuracy problems in .308 with the MossP
@@llamawizard I had a mossberg patriot in 3006 that was all over the place. I sold it to a friend and his son put about a 100 rounds through it and finally started grouping about 1.5 MOA.
Mossberg patriots suck ass bro. They could start a lemonade stand with all the lemons they sell.
Thanks for the great video and honest reporting of findings.
Bummer you didn’t have the luck you were hoping for, but these points are very valid and good for people to be aware of. When there’s so much hype on the market and so many devoted fan boys it’s hard to navigate the BS.
I’ve had great luck with the 7 PRC myself and can say I’m very pleased with its performance. I’m a fan of it but I realize its limits as well. So I’m a fan, but not a fan boy 😂
Thanks for watching
That was fair description of the Cartridge in my opinion. It's no whiz bang ultra mag..but can pretty much equal the 7mm Rem mag.
I have a 7 prc..its the most accurate rifle I have..its a 26 in barrel 700 long range. I thought about trading it in for a bona fide whiz bang..like 6.5 x 300 or .257 wby...but it just shoots to good that I can't part with it..I hope to get a garmin chronograph soon..and find out its velocities with the 3 diff factory loads I have for it..thank you for your videos..keep up the good work.
Keep your rifle!
Meanwhile, I got a new Ruger American Gen 2 standard in 7mm-08.
Didn't do anything other than clip the trigger spring a little at a time to get a nice 2.5 lb trigger pull.
So far it's shot 5/8 and and 3/4 inch groups with a couple of different factory loads.
Very pleased with it!
Nice
3-shot or 5-shot groups? I like Ruger rifles a LOT and the 7mm-08 as well…
I’ve had my Sako 75 in 7mm08 for 10 plus maybe 15 plus years now and it ain’t going anywhere without me, that7mm08 has never let me down, the best round out there, of course this just my two cents worth, there is lots of great rounds, anyway take care and stay safe cheers people cheers Yogi ✌️🇦🇺
@chipsterb4946
3 shot. I only hunt and my farthest shots are no more than 200 yds so that's good enough for me.
Excellent overview and review of this cartridge and a $500 rifle with good features for the price and even trying it out in a $2200+ rifle.
I kind of want a do all cartridge that I can learn long range shooting, run suppressed and use to hunt anything up to and including elk in a lighter rifle. Plus I want a left hand rifle instead of a right hand rifle like my 300 WSM is chambered in. I do have a 270 Win, but I am not going to thread the barrel on a rifle that my Dad bought me 25 years ago.
I still think that 7mm PRC could be a good choice but I know that I can find 7mm REM Mag ammo in any store vs 7 PRC if I head out west and lose my ammo.
You are correct about the powder situation but there is one slight discrepancy when you say you can not reach 3000 FPS. You can reach the 3000 fps but you will need to jam the bullet causing a pressure buildup that will likely put you way over pressure. I encountered a box of Hornady CX outfitter for the 7PRC and several of them would not even chamber they are pushed so far into the lands. The ones that did fire were all around 3000 because they were making contact with the lands and creating more pressure from this resistance. ALL of the cartridges in 3 boxes of CX from this lot had ejector imprints. On deconstruction I found a compressed load of StaballHD, which is why they physically COUND NOT seat the bullet any deeper into the cartridge. It's no wonder you get carbon ring after 2 boxes and fire cracking after 3-400 shots. What a nightmare.
Thanks for commenting
@@ReloadingWeatherby Most welcome!
If you want to verity the bit about increase in pressure, the Quickload software has a note about 6000PSI increase to your initial pressure as soon as you touch the lands.
Keep those videos coming!
Very much appreciated your take, on everything you do and say on your channel. Very glad you didn’t become a shill for Mossberg. It’s a cheap, decent rifle, but the norm is not sub MOA performance. Beer 🍺 should never be mistaken for champagne 🍾, but it can quench the thirst.
Thanks for watching
Good video, I’m really interested in the upcoming 7 wsm videos you have on the way. PS I got my Weatherby Mark V Live Wild in 280 Ackley. It actually came in 2 months early, I’m anxious to get it to the range, but it’s either raining or a 100 degrees.
Oh man... I really want a 280AI
Looking forward to seeing 277 Fury!
I am using a 300PRC and a 7mm rem mag. These are two great combinations.
Okay, I finally have some data with 7mm PRC, Factory Hornady ammo Hunter and match with my heavy 30" barrel I recently set up with a Tikka action. Match 180 gr, the average was 2948.5 FPS, Hunter 175 gr, the average was 3021.0 FPS. Both were under .5 moa. You might be interested. Only 80 rounds through the barrel, so it should speed up closer to 200 rounds. My 190 Berger reloads average 2837 fps just at the start of pressure signs with H1000 at 65 gr, which aligns with the Hornady data. It was all using Hornady brass, I finally received some ADG brass, so looking forward to seeing how it performs.
I think you would have kept that cartridge if you had a better rifle. I’m a 7mm rem mag guy and always have been but did buy a Savage 110 Timberline 7mm PRC and it’s a shooter,, won’t be getting rid of mine!
Whats the bore look like? If the stock/bedding wasnt an issue i would try tubbs final finish bullets to smooth the barrel out and then try loading for it. May come around. It tends to copper foul much less and clean up much easier and improved my 257 roberts tremendously
Great video! Thanks for the info! The cartridge does seem to do what it claims with Federal Ammo. I get average velocity of 3045 fps and 49 fps extreme spread with 170 gr Terminal Accent.
Awesome bullet!
Had a 6.5 Creed in the Mossberg Patriot. Couldn't get a group better than 2.5 inches with anything. Cheers friend
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I'm stepping down to 7 PRC and 6.5 PRC. A Weatherby 307 and a Savage Klym. They're both hunting rifles and not target guns. However, I expect MOA. Did you ever look at the plastic bedding block in your Patriot? I mentioned this before. They crack if action screws tightened too tight! I believe 25ip MAX! That's why MB puts red locker on action screws. Cracked and gun no shoot!😢😢😢
IMPORTANT: It looks like you have the factory base on it. Unfortunately, they chose to use cheap fasteners that I believe are too long with the frontmost one hitting barrel threads from factory (allowing base to move ever so slightly and affecting accuracy). It’s been awhile since I had mine, but the Allen head size was too small for the size of the 6-48 and it cannot handle the torque for removal, and the head stripped when trying to remove. They used patch style loc-tite on it. I had to use a left-hand drill bit to remove two of the four screws; the receiver threads were still perfect (it was only head of 6-48’s that were damaged).
264 win vs26 nosler vs 6.5 prc vs 6.5 weatherby mag would be a cool video
I second that ✌️
I like the guys who say "my rifle doesn't show any pressure signs with my handloads" that are way over book max. Maybe they don't show seat of the pants pressure signs but that doesn't mean they're not 75K psi.
if they were that far over pressure you would know without a shadow of a doubt. It has been proven so many times that reloading book are on the very conservative side. It would be near impossible for every person that goes over book (which is a stupidly high number) to be perfectly fine if what you say were true. sounds like you might just need to educate yourself some. You can not go over pressure by anywhere near that without signs of it let alone something worse happening
Tks for a honest review. All cartridges have their usefulness. It's hard to reinvent the wheel.
Thanks for watching!
The only recent cartridge I can think of that's a massive jump forward has been the .277 Fury that case designed for higher pressure has real potential in larger cases provided receivers can hold up
Sir I absolutely appreciate your true honest opinion and I find it very informative… one question I have is did u try Retumbo ?
Not in my Mossberg... but the Fierce was using Retumbo with the 195 gr bullet
@@ReloadingWeatherby very interesting… thanks for your information
I would rather have my 7 rem mag any day !
I think it's really cool that Mossberg sent you that rifle to test. We have two Patriots in our home - one in 6.5 Creedmoor and one in 7mm08. I bought them both for my kids to deer hunt with. The one in 6.5 Creedmoor shoots sub 1/2 moa (believe it or not) but the one in 7mm08 is nowhere near as accurate. I put Timney triggers on both and set for 1.5lbs. Both guns function very well and are pretty good guns considering what I paid for them. The one thing I dislike the most is the way the action is bedded to the stock. Maybe it could be glass and/or pillar bedded and shoot better, I don't know. But unless Mossberg changes this and improves their bedding (or whatever the heck is causing these guns to shoot like crap) it's very unlikely that I will buy another one.
I'm curious to see what your next Weatherby cartridge will be.
I would spend the extra money for the triggers on a better rifle. Bergara B14 comes to mind. Well known for accuracy and a nice trigger.
@@falba1492 Yeah, if I had it to do over again I would have spent a little more and got better guns.
I hope you revisit it at some point with a different rifle. It has been interesting to watch.
Im still being easy on mine, haven't started leaning on it too hard yet.
Make sure to do videos on it. I'll be watching
@@ReloadingWeatherby Will do.
I'm currently getting my nephews car ready for Miatas at the Gap and then I'll be getting back to it. I have 100pcs of ADG brass once fired, cleaned, sized, primed, and ready to load.
Think the 338 weatherby rpm might be most versatile north American rifle.
Every rifle brand seems to have some issue with their rifles except accuracy. That’s literally the worst issue mossburg needs to figure it out I would buy almost anything but their rifles. Seems a lot of people are having pressure issues with the 7prc because the chamber is so tight.
I know a lot of people fall for those short Barrels new calibers,but if I want accuracy knock down and range,I bring out my 7mm stw with 160Acubonds with Magnum powder beats about anything,is is a 700 Remington Sendero
Honestly, you can almost get to 7mm PRC velocities with the same weight bullets in a 280 AI. Quite a bit less powder and less recoil. I'm going to keep my 7 PRC but I'm going to build a 280 AI as well
Just picked up a 7prc in a cva cascade lrh to say I’m impressed is an understatement it’s consistently be under half moa with just factory match Ammo didn’t bother cronoing it yet we all know slower than box says but this gun is crazy accurate also seen who tee whoo’s lrh is super accurate
Nice
I love your content. Mainly bc I'm a wby man but I did jump on the 7prc wagon. Hate you got a dud bc some are doing really well. I do think Hornaday over sold it but federal factory is rite very close to the velocity advertised. I just got mine broke in to where my father is going to start load development. Do you have any content on the RPM cartridges?
Thanks for watching. I have a few videos on the RPM cartridges.
You need yourself a 35 whelen to play with .
As cool and amazing as it is, I think he may be too enamored with his new 340 Weatherby to go down that rabbit hole.
6.8 Western is King
280 Ackley Improved is supposed to get within 200 fps of 7mm PRC “book” velocity. I’d like to know your take on that cartridge.
Very good cartridge
Let me save some people some time and give the cliff notes version of this video.
“box said go fast, bullet not go fast as box say”
And load data
Interesting fact…I have a CVA Cascade and a Weatherby 307 in 7mm PRC. The CVA shows pressure MUCH faster than the 307, I worked up loads and shot them in both rifles. The Weatherby is getting 100 FPS faster with a 2” shorter barrel, only factor is the chamber since I was able to work loads up higher. I am no expert as to why there is a various difference in chambers and pressure. You may want to try a different rifle…
Thanks for sharing
Are they closer to 7mm mag or 7mm-08 for fps / muzzle energy stats ?
I personally haven't had good luck with Hornaday ammunition. I haven't tried the CX, I've only shot American Whitetail and Precision hunter. My favorite ammo is Federal and have had great results with the blue box, fusion and terminal ascent. I think for the money that fusion is one of the best rouds out there. I have tested them and they expand and hold together really well. I'm not a fan of frangible bullets so i wouldn't buy eldx or berger even if Federal was producing it. I don't own a 7mm PRC as i dont see that much advantage over my 7mm rem mag.
Zero advantage.
28 nosler for me in an xbolt but do you still love your 6.8 western
Go back to the 7mm Rem. Mag.?
Don't own one
I know other reloaders, who have tested factory ammo, have had the same issue with 7prc. Even on youtube like Backfire Tv.
Soft brass brands vs tough brass brands also comes into play when showing pressure signs. I would make sure that the action is bedded, barrel is freefoated before I ever fire a round....good time and money spent!
I've heard that argument about brass.
7 PRC or 300 WSM?
I'm considering both in a new hunting rifle. I was decided on the 7, but now that the facts have surfaced, I'm wondering if the 300 WSM would be better?
(I hunt in Alaska, Wyoming and Colorado.)
Both would be good. But I'm a 30 caliber guy... 300 WSM
Don’t own a 7 PRC , but the WSM is a rippa, if you offered me a new 7 PRC for my 300 WSM I’d decline that offer, it works fine for my needs, cheers Yogi ✌️🇦🇺
Wonder what would happen with superformance? You'd think hornady would try it
Not sure..
277 Fury Sig cross? 16inch barrel
So in ur thoughts wats better then the 7prc cuz im with ya on that. 6.8 western or 7mm rem mag or 6.5 prc
Let's add the 270 wsm to this
On my Savage you will not run over book max with 7PRC. Actually with n560 i run almost 3 grains under max to not hit pressure but still has good speeds. I will say this gun has been an little aggravating compared to the other cartidges ive loaded. Been debating on a rebarrel in some other long action magnum
Thanks for sharing
@@ReloadingWeatherby yeah sadly an experience your not alone in. I would not mind trying a 6.8 once ADG brass is available.
Idk seeing 3000 and over pretty much across thr board w several powders. But w a 26" barrel. Def helps hit that mark
If you get a magnum... get a 26 inch barrel
Hard to beat the 28 Nosler! Period!
The reason for the velocity issues boils down to Hornady changing powder on their 7PRC loads and not telling anyone while keeping the velocities on the packaging from the original powder. If you doubt what I'm saying just give Hornady a ring and inquire yourself. Sadly Hornady didn't think through what would happen if they failed to inform the public about their ammo recipe change while keeping the original ballistic data on the box??
I did mention that in the video...
@@ReloadingWeatherby Yeah, I got the cart before the horse and responded before you mentioned it. Cheers
Excellent ending to your 7mm PRC series….. I Kinda wanna go buy a 300 BEE and celebrate..
First off, love your channel. As for velocity, if the load is accurate, velocity doesn't matter. If you're hitting your target , we'll that's the whole point ain't it? Will the animal notice the difference in velocity?
Hence why I said it's a good cartridge... thanks for watching and commenting
I was just looking into 28 nosler with factory nosler ammo claimed it would 3200 fps with 160 ballistic tips. My 7mm weatherby with 160 partition weatherby factory ammo my rifle is a stock mark v with 26 inch barrel through my chronograph it shot 3200 fps with 160 partition and 3300 fps with 150 ballistic tip my be worth looking into maybe new video. 😊
We live in a world where 1.5 MOA is “horrible accuracy.” Wild
WHERE do they get their barrells from noone is selling their & mags
Love them or hate them. Ruger American series. Have been on average the most accurate out of the box rifle for me. Yes they need trigger help. I'm not a big fan of the AR style magazines. However they shoot well.
The saying “you get what you pay for” comes into play here I think. Mossberg Patriots aren’t the most accurate rifles. Especially with those ridiculous plastic bedding blocks. Their barrels aren’t anything to gloat about either.
Get yourself a good, quality rifle with a quality barrel and watch your results drastically change.
My hunting rifle has a 22” Proof barrel shooting factory 175’s at 2,865. Reloads with H4831 are hitting 3010, but show the best accuracy backed off to 2950.
Bad factory ammunition from Hornady, using a powder supply issue as an excuse, is ridiculous. Federal is using the same bullet getting acceptable results.
On the rifle side, custom built rifles and higher end factory rifles aren’t having any issues either.
At the end of the day though, regardless of the rifle/cartridge combination, I would rather it shoot accurately rather than it shoot fast. I can always add some elevation adjustment.
Just my two cents.
God bless.
Thanks for watching
Strange… others seem to be successful with the 7 PRC. I have one on the way as we type. Can’t wait for it to arrive.
I would say most guns are accurate. And if you have RL-26 or shoot Federal ammo... you will get that coveted 3000 FPS
@@ReloadingWeatherby and 565… have had real world exposure with VERY positive results - testing with a friend - 24” barrel. 160 Hot Cor, 175 LRX, and 175 ELDX. Very accurate powder IMO. Testing Grand soon because it was available for purchase as well.
Wonder if Federal/Alliant stuck it to Hornady on purpose...
Federal? Yes. Alliant? Don't think they care
284 Winchester still seems the most well rounded 7mm on the market
If I were to buy a bolt action factory rifle it would be a Bergara maybe a tikka not mossberg. I have several custom bolt actions and they are 1/2 moa rifles
The 7 prc able to hit 3000 with the correct powder. Hornady was not able to source the proper powder.
Get a longer barrel 26+ easy decision and if you are a reloader you can get a lot of performance.
Also you always need the best brass alpha Lapua Peterson etc…
A match grad barrel will have a better cut chamber helping pressure with good brass.
Reloading manuals are often written to a mild max change to please the insurance company’s and attorneys. Load at your own risk like always or run factory ammo. It’s that’s simple
Get a 28 nosler if you want a laser beam but that will come at huge recoil cost
Thanks for watching and commenting. I also have a 28 Nosler and the recoil difference between 7mm PRC and 28 Nosler isn't as big as you think.
Mossberg makes shotguns and if I want a shotgun I buy Remington.
Ramshot Grand shows loads exceeding 3000fps in a 24" with 175gr, just ordered some to try in my 7mm PRC
Let me know how it goes
Please give an update on this.
@reloadingweatherby if you could check your brass I'd like to know the volume of your brass.... Should be around 84 g but I have seen Kats getting 79 to 80
@@RookCustoms 82 gr
what is your experience with seating berger bullets? i have heard that many seating dies dont work well with them
There are some seaters with vld type stems you can buy. For most part its not a problem unless you run very tight neck tension and then the seater may mark/deform your bullets.
@@orr89rocz I have an old rcbe die, worst case scenario if the bullet is too long for it I'll just drill it out a small amount
@@zebacake4683 yeah thats all
I use is rcbs stuff and so far no major issues. My 300 wsm die did have tight neck tension and the seater would score the vld bergers. I went to a bushing die for that gun and no more issues with .001 less tension. My 308 and 28 nos dont have issues
@@orr89rocz did u have any issues with the bullet tips bottoming out?
@@zebacake4683 not that i could tell
How do you feel about the 300 prc compared to the 7prc?
I think 300 PRC is better... a bit more recoil though
My experience with velocities in book specs is different that yours. In my 22” barrel, with 65.5gr of N560 and 175gr ELD-X, I’m getting 2945, so
…. Every gun is different. Barrel quality is a major factor. A mass produced factory barrel isn’t going to perform as well as some others.
Thanks for sharing
Curious… I’ve never reloaded for a cartridge that has so much variability across the bullet selection for OAL… are you on book-ish for the 175 ELDX? I know more to it than that but I’m curious where you landed… loaded with a friend 160 Hot Cor, 175 LRX and 175 ELDX and the COAL really surprised me.
The 7mm mags need a 26” barrel to get max velocities and so what, its a magnum.
My Rem Mag has a 26” barrel and I love it.
Go to the gym if you can’t carry it, suck it up if ya wanna shoot a magnum.
Happy Huntin.
Completely agree
Book max needs some explanation. The Book is an illustration of the pressures of what happens in the ballistic lab with their rifle, their components. The book is meant to be a guide, not an absolute. Your rifle, your components maybe very different.
The books are certainly not the Bible of handloading. But in the two rifles I tested the books were right on. But that isn't always the case. My Weatherby rifles hit pressure way before book max, but they are also 200-300 FPS faster than the book velocities.
It’s a Mossberg, strike three…
I enjoyed you video on “Saying goodbye to my 7mm PRC.” You gave the rifle and the cartridge a fair shake. I’d definitely cut the rifle and cartridges loose too. You mentioned that you got a lot of criticism for your objective opinion on the cartridge and rifle. Isn’t it funny how everyone on RUclips and the shooting forums always seem to know more than you, their rifles always shoot less than 1/2 MOA, and their muzzle velocities are always 200 fps plus, faster than the maximum listed velocities in the reloading manuals? I like your content on your videos and I commend you on being objective. Don’t let anyone discourage you for that. The 7mm PRC isn’t for everyone. It’s a “new hype” cartridge that in truth, doesn’t do anything the the old cartridges of yesteryear haven’t already been doing for decades.
Thanks Brian
Less than 3” groups at 100 yards with box ammunition and a mass produced rifle is an hunting rifle. Anything around 1.5” groups is an accurate rifle. Less than 1” (sub-MOA) is a Precision rifle. From there, you can go to custom loads and custom builds. You don’t always “get what you pay for”, and many people get sub MOA with the right lot of OTC ammunition and a $1200 rifle, but most are spending more than $2000 in that space.
My bet is the 6.8 western will take over
@reloadingweatherby Austin, I hope all is well. I wanted to speak my piece here, as I have heard you say a something a number of times in a few of your videos that are incorrect.
Minimum Impact velocities. For reference;
Hornady ELD-X Official Minimum Impact Velocity to reliably initiate expansion: 1600 FPS
Federal Terminal Ascent Official Minimum Impact Velocity to reliably initiate Expansion; 1400 FPS
Nosler Accubond LR Official Minimum Impact Velocity to reliably initiate expansion; 1300 FPS
I feel as though you should add disclaimers to a few of your videos updating your viewers on this information. While I generally agree with you that the vast majority of people should not be hunting past ranges where this starts to negatively affect most factory loads, I can see this coming to effect reloaders that are planning to download to these velocities for reduced recoil loads (Kids, Wives, Disabled, Older, ETC...)
Personally, I can attest to the Terminal Ascent expanding at roughly 1462 FPS (.308, estimated based on velocities certified by chrono prior to hunt). I feel as this is valuable information and should be portrayed correctly across social media platforms, to keep the industry honest and the people informed.
This is not meant to be demeaning, and hopefully it wont be received that way. I enjoy your content and I will continue to follow you, but I just wanted to make sure you were informed of this info.
Thank you!
Hi Devin, thanks for your comment. I'm not sure if I trust the manufacturer on minimum velocity expansion. So I always error on a higher velocity to almost guarantee expansion. ruclips.net/video/1bxDjDXDKM4/видео.html
Damn.......
I hope you find a better one if you keep shooting the cartridge.
I probably won't get one again... but I have friends with good rifles in 7mm PRC