The 30-06 is 115 years old. Has served in continuous battle grounds since 1906 and has killed everything that walks and some things that no longer walk on this planet. From your list the only cartridges that appear to be older is 22lr, 30-30, and 45-70. Talk about a testament to design.
There’s nothing magical about the design. If the US government had adopted the 6.5 Swede we’d all be fiercely loyal to that and bow in reverence to it. After a few decades, the tradition becomes self-reinforcing. Why do I know this is true? Because that’s exactly what is true in the Northern European countries where hunters adopted the Swede.
@@G5Hohn …. After being on the receiving end of Spanish 7x57mm the US Army took it and supersized it to 7.62x63mm. Which is how we got the .30/06 cartridge.
@@Idahoguy10157 Exactly. There's nothing magic about the design, as it's a supersized 7mm Mauser copy. Right down to the bolt face and rim specs. Tradition. Stick with what works. Think how many rimless designs are out there now that use that exact same boltface/rim diameter. It's self-reinforcing.
Dang it. Rewatched the video and noticed an error. I said only 3% of shots are past 500 yards. Not true. Some of the respondents hadn't shot a big game animal yet, so they should be removed. Actually, it's 4.2%. I may never forgive myself.
At 5:10 you may have a 2nd error. You mention your threshold of 1900fps at 500 yards, which will be a huge leap for me and possible some other viewers, but then you state 1900ft.lbs. Why a huge leap? Take a Hornady ELD-X for example, it can expand as low as 1600fps. (Peterson Hunting - Going Long Range With Hornady's Versatile ELD-X)
Id absolutely love to see a projectile review and comparison with say a 7mm rem mag. At the end of the day your rifle is only as good as the projectile you sent at the deer, and at 7mm velocities you can get some wacky stuff happening. Could do categories like : penetration, Expansion, BC, Cost, I personally run nosler 160gr accubonds, but at $2 a projectile it’s steep. I’d love to see how an ELDX stacks up. If it has 90% the penetration for 50% the cost id definitely switch.
IMO this guy has the most logical and well thought out video's on youtube for hunting/shooting. Keep them coming, let me add this, I live in Colorado and have successfully hunted big game every year since I was a teenager in the late 70's in three western states. I've owned a 260, 7-08 definitely kills faster, my wife and son have killed a truckload of deer/antelope/elk with it and I've killed a dozen or more with it as well. I keep going back to the 6.5's, started out in life with a 264wm, then to the 260, 7-08, 7saum, 300saum and currently using a 6.5prc. My hunting partner uses a 270wsm, very impressive. My observations and opinions, 6.5's shine the brightest in the wind, nothing beats them when it's howling. 264wm is awesome but the barrel life is to short and I don't care for long action rifles anymore. 260 kills good but often times it's difficult to tell right away if the shot is fatal or even see a reaction from a fatally hit animal. 7-08 kills way better than it looks like it should but the bullets blow around in the wind pretty bad at long range. 7saum is to much for even big mule deer, I've ruined both shoulders and upper loin with a heart shot on a big mule deer, great elk cartridge. I sold the 300saum, kicks to hard, poor trajectory, doesn't do well in the wind. I've only shot a couple of deer and antelope with the 6.5prc, it's not a 264wm but close enough on deer and antelope, remains to be seen how it will do on elk. The 270wsm is a star in this category, a little to much for antelope but deer and elk it's probably as close to perfect as one could get. I'm currently experimenting with the 6mm arc, plan on taking a doe and buck antelope with it and a whitetail doe2021 {limiting the size to 135lbs and smaller animals} it's a small cartridge.
Good analysis. Needing a lighter rifle than my 1962 Model 70 300 Weatherby, I am looking at 7mm-08 & 260. 243 & 25-06 bullets too light. Settling in on 7mm-08, & you nudged me closer. Now, as for the light weight rifle . . .
Really interesting! Kind of funny. When I started thinking about shooting big game back in the mid 1980's my buddies dad said " Go get an 30-06 or 7mm Rem Mag in a Remington Model 700. You will never need another rifle unless you head to Alaska... He was right then and it looks like he's still right..!
Or any of a couple of dozen other good old cartridges. Animals are no tougher than they've ever been and the old standards still get the job done. The new stuff is fun to play with but no more effective.
You have an AWESOME channel dude! Thanks for what you do. You are a great addition to this great community. If it makes you feel any better, ty is demonitising all gun channels. You didn't cross any specific line
Laughing all the way with a 6.5x55 - (and given the scalability of loads in this category - through 140 and 156 grain certainly makes it a nice alternative).
@@PaulVerhoeven2 I’m loading in a modern action. No pressure at all. No cratered primers no ejector Marks and no heavy bolt lift. Took all the way to 2875 with 140 grain Bergers out of a 20 inch barrel. My creed the best I have done with 140’s is 2700ish with 22 inch barrel.
Thank you for finally doing a scopes video!! Also thanks for the content. If it's me as a new shooter, I'm buying a gun that shoots 270 win. My research shows it's good enough to kill a deer or elk, as well as the kick isn't too bad. THanks again!!
The 270 Win is an incredible cartridge. Ammo is (was lol), always available anywhere you go. It’s pretty much the best deer 🦌 cartilage available. Recoil is not bad at all. Get a Tikka, and put it in a GRS stock, and you’ll good as gold.
The .270 Win is not optimal as an all-around rifle because the twist rate is generally too slow for the heavier bullets that you would want to use for elk or moose. If you are a large person, a 7mm Rem Mag would be better (higher velocity). If small, a 7mm-08 is probably better. The .270 is great for mule deer and big horn sheep in the Rockies, but those other two calibers will take them just as well.
Hmmm, my 270 Win makes the HITS list at 1004, and using my favorite hunting factory ammo, 143 ELDX lists 500yd energy at 1567, velocity at 2206 fps. I'm not sure which ammo you were listing to get your data. If your averaging bullets and load info into one number, that's a little like saying-if I have my left hand in boiling water and my right hand in ice water, then on average I'm comfortable. It might be more relevant to use the most popular deer cartridge in each caliber, and the most popular Elk cartridge in each caliber. Great video. Love your channel and videos. Keep 'em coming.
This is a great list and effort, but it's fuzzy by definition, especially at the cut-offs. If I were Elk hunting, I would use my .270 with a proper loading for Elk, and if confronted with a shot longer than 500 yards, I'd be mindful of the limitations.
We wouldn't have anything to talk about if we just used what works. Boring old 30.06, 270 Win, 308. My hunting party took 3 elk this year all with 270 with 150 partition. Non went further than 40 yards.
I sold all my magnums a long time ago. The 7x57 (or the 7mm-08) and the .45-70 will do everything I need to do without beating me up in the process. In the 7mm's, a 150 grain Partition will easily reach 2700 fps, and I use Trapdoor level loads with cast bullets in the .45-70. Neither of these are 'long-range' cartridges, but where I live 200 yards is a long shot indeed.
Sweet! Great cartridges. At 200 yds you got venison. IMHO shooting animals too far away is unethical. I cringe when people brag about shooting critters past 300 yds
@@Idahoguy10157 I'd probably choose the .338-06 over the 9.3x62, mostly because of a better bullet selection. The .35 Whelen would also be a valid choice.
Nice vid. I love looking at the numbers for different rounds. For anybody interested, I found the formula Hornady uses to calculate HITS: HITS = (W^2 / 7000) * (V/D^2) / 100 where HITS = Hornady Index of Terminal Standards W = Weight of the bullet in grains. V = Impact velocity of the bullet in feet/sec. D = Diameter of the bullet in inches.
Hum well I don’t know where it comes from that it take 1,000 lbs of kinetic energy to take a white tail deer. I’ve learned over the years it’s 600 ft lbs for deer, 800 for mule deer, and 1,000 lbs for elk and around 1,200 for moose. Each type of bullet also expands at different velocity’s. Whether or not it’s a bonded type bullet or a jacket hollow point or a VLD type bullet. For instance my Berger VLDs only need 1300 FPS to expand. Hornady ELDs need 1600 FPS. Well that’s what’s on the box anyway. It is a good video and your are helping with what people need to look for in a bullet and caliber rifle that is needed for a humane kill. This is a good thing.
Great video and great idea about your back yard and scopes! Also, so glad you mentioned doing a video on 7mm-08. I truly enjoy loading for my 7-08. It’s not overwhelming ballistics wise, but very efficient. Love whitetail hunting with 140 loads. I chuckle when I hear people say it’s a great “youth” cartridge. They don’t understand efficiency. Thanks
The 160gr Sierra Tipped MatchKing I hand load for my Weatherby is still traveling above 2000fps and 1530 ft-lbf at 400 yards. And it’s a pleasure to shoot. I’m amused by the diehard .308 fans I’m friends with that scoff at the 7mm-08.
@@packman3220 A few years back it started getting a bit of a hipster reputation for some reason. As though the people shooting it chose it over .308 just to be different. It also gets overshadowed by the bigger 7mm rounds in long range precision since it can't sling the heavy 165+ bullets as well as a 7mm Mag and the like.
@@jamesreeder8917 its around a 6ft hold to account for drop my, misses hunts with the 7mm-08 she dropped a cow elk at 340yds last season. I was impressed by the 7mm-08
The content of this channel is so unique and interesting, even to someone like me who doesn't shoot rifles very often. And I can tell you guys are having FUN making these videos, and that always makes content more enjoyable when you know the content creator enjoys making it. Keep up the good work!
Good overview. Correctly said, the main thing is the speed of the blow to the shoulder. In all this splendor, the best at 500m. is 6.8 Winchester. Very balanced, weight, recoil speed.
A lot of guys hunt with the 6.5 Grendel out of an AR-15. With rounds like that you can't practically reach out to 500 yards but most people don't need to shoot that far. There are so many variables when choosing your cartridge, pick whatever makes you happy because that's why you're shooting in the first place (hopefully).
Started my boys with a 6.8 spc in an AR-15 for deer. Nearly zero recoil, good energy to 300 (all their shots have been inside of 200) 120 gr SST kills everything we shoot with it. Deer, pigs, coyotes... The 6.5 grendel is great too.
Cool video, a few of my favorites made the cut! My 7x57 and 270Win made the deer cut and for elk, the 30-06 and 7RM! It was great to see that these old warhorses were able to keep up with the new hi-tech/sci-fi laser beams!
Considering your 6.5prc checked all those boxes, you should have made an honorable mention to what was directly above and below, those rifles and ammo are more available and cheaper, and have been killing it for a long time. All hail the beloved 308 & 7mm-08.
Yes, he's doing an apples to apples comparison on specific criteria with average bullets and average rifle weight. People should view this list as a starting point for decision making, not a finish. For example, to say a 7mm08 is insufficient for elk, well there are lots of factory loadings that will hit all the criteria at 400 yards, which might be all some people need. Or handload to hit all the criteria at 450 or 475.
I would have to agree on the velocity issue. I have a .458 Magnum I had built for me about 50 years ago, with a Mannlicher stock to the muzzle, a heavy rollover comb steeply pitched towards the action, a ventilated recoil pad, and Mag-Na-Ported to contain muzzle rise. It is heavy, but far more enjoyable to shoot than a Remington 742 in .30-06 I have, and that assessment was confirmed by others during the same comparison in the field. The .458's recoil is a slow but determined push, as opposed to an angry slap at the shoulder. You would vastly prefer to hunt with it over the Remington were it not for the weight you have to schlep, but with a generously wide sling, you certainly don't feel it in the shoulder - only in the legs. And that's shooting 500 grain solids or 450 grain soft nose - vs. 180 grain .30-06. It's also why a 9.5 lb Garand is far more comfortable to shoot than the 7.5 lb 742 - the additional 2 pounds of gun weight makes a big difference when firing .30-06 cartridges of equal loading.
I had to chuckle at your final choices! I have a 700 BDL DM Remington 7mm REM Mag, Tikka T3X Laminate stock stainless barrel .270 and wooohooo a Tikka T3X Synthetic stock stainless barrel in 7mm-08. Not bad I picked 3 of your top 5 for my collection of rifles. I enjoy your RUclips show and wish you success in your endeavors! Great work and very informative!
Recoil matters. Good analysis. Makes sense. There’s a reason why so many people love the Creedmoor. Interesting that 6.5 mm topped the list for both deer and elk.
If u can’t shoot a 300 w m. Don’t that simple 28 nosler ? Vs 7 mag I can load a 7 mm 08 w 160 to 2650 bang flop u name it and mine shoots 120 s 130 to 3 k just like the .270
As a request; for an episode; I have both read and observed loading a heavier bullet into a rifle will reduce felt recoil as compared to the same rifle with a lighter round, with certain caveats. The reason for this is felt recoil is a combination of both force and speed. For example a 7mm RM fires a 175 grain bullet slower than a 150 grain bullet. The slower speed of the 175 results in a proportionally slower recoil on your shoulder. A constraint I want to add the objective for he bullet fired is the same meaning let's not compare a 139 whitetail round with a 175 grain Elk round, let's compare a 150 grain round intended for Elk with a 175 grain round intended for Elk. I have observed this myself and believe it but have no data to support it. I also read that slowing down the bullet speed will reduce barrel wear and for that reason some owners of the 7mm RM will fire 175 grain rounds vs. 150 grain rounds. It made sense to me I now only shoot 168 grain and up bullets from my 7mm RM and the reasons I stated above are why I do it. What really convinced me of the lower recoil, I am generally more accurate with heavier bullets from different providers with the 7mm RM, I assume this is because recoil is lighter with the heavier bullets, but I don't know. It may be bullet weight and my barrel. I have a 9:1 twist however which SHOULD favor the 150 grain bullet however it does not. I see greater spreads with 150 grain bullets than with 175 grain bullets but acceptable, 142 grain bullets produce unacceptable spread, no matter what, but surprisingly 139 grain bullets bring the spread back in.... Typical pattern for 175 grain is almost always sub-moa.
I like my .243 with 100gr ammo for deer. Every deer I have got dropped right there, also it doesn't tear up the meat as much if you get a weird angle and the shot isn't true.but my .243 is a bit sentimental because dad gave it to me on our last deer season before he passed..
This whole discussion is just another attempt to justify buying another latest fad rifle and caliber, he has massaged the bullet weights and criteria to justify how great the latest fad calibers are when really the .243, 270, 7mm mag, 308, 30-06 and 300 win mag have been killing deer and elk quite effectively for the last 50 years and will continue to do so for the next 50 years.
One of the reasons I chose 270wsm is the speed of the bullet being still fairly high out to 4-500 yards while maintaining relatively lower recoil. Up to 8 elk with it now. Farthest shot was about 325 yards. Right around 200 yards for the rest of the shots, give or take.
I’ve harvested many of deer (granted Texas hill country white tail” with a 22-250. Quite possibly the best cartridge for Texas hunting. Next up my 6.5 creedmoor is perfectly fine. The 300 prc is my newest caliber but not useful for Texas hunting besides hogs or Javelina. Didn’t buy it for hunting really anyway.
Super entertaining. Some of the muzzle velocities are maybe off a bit. Take 308 win for instance. 2491, ok 180 grain sure. Quality hunting bullet 165-168 can be easily driven at 2700 fps from a 24" barrel, and is a proven elk killer. Bet it turns all categories green. Keep up the good work!
I wish I still lived out your way I would loan you my browning xbolt hells canyon extreme long range in 6.8 western. That rifle manages the recoil so well that it kicks less than my 6.5 creedmoor.
@@williamdouglass4141 I took it out to 1000 yards yesterday. It was very effortless, my 15 year old boy was killing it also. I really could not be happier.
You could have made 300 or even 400 yards as a more realistic the cut off and came up with different calibers like the 6.5x55 Swedish or 308 Winchester. What was the cutoff recoil velocity? Clearly a lot gun have fairly low recoil. Also following your rules the 50 BMG is one of the lightest recoiling Elk rounds. Nice work by the way!!!!
Yeah, this is my issue with this, this is cool, but I wish the distance and power metrics were left a little more open to user preference, say I want a 300-yard whitetail caliber. Something like a 6.5 Grendel might be perfect. This spreadsheet is a good starting point to build a tool to directly compare pretty disparate calibers and help hunters choose their tools more precisely.
7mm-08 makes the list, but .308 drops below 1,900fps at 500 yards, so it didn't quite make it. Still a great low-recoil cartridge, though. Just not good for the super long shots.
I love that you made this list. I will be using it. I think with the right bullet and the right load, you can make many of these calibers move up to elk killers.
I shoot a Savage 10 FLCP-SR 308 and it is very comfortable shooting the Hornady Superformance 150 SST ammo and has dropped Elk at 500 yds with a single shot no problem. Looking at your chart it appears you looked at very heavy bullets for the 308 which kept it off the top 10 list...
That's cool that you invited people over to try out scopes! I was just out there for Trail Hero! I can't wait to come back to the area. I just found your channel today...I'm really enjoying the information you're sharing. Thank you.
Anyone that says the .50bmg has light recoil most definitely fired through the Barret m82. It spreads the recoil over an extended period. I compare it to getting hit by a truck with 500 pillows in between.
Interesting choice of subject: recoil. Both before and after WW2, the U.S. Army found that, even among "City Boys" who had never touched any sort of gun before, at least 96% of them were, with training and experience, able to deal with the recoil of a .30-06' rifle WITH NO ISSUES whatsoever. Of the remaining 4%, about 3/4 of them were fine with "just a little bit" of additional training. (My Grandfather said, about 2 or 3 weeks, at most!) The rest, were just "Wash-outs".
The 7.62x39 is a good whitetail deer round if you get hollowpoints or soft points. And cheap, no recoil either. But it's a light round. Shot placement is important
I think your math is wrong on the 264 Win Mag. Shows to have more velocity than the 6.5 PRC at both muzzle and 500 yards but some how the energy is a little lower, and the hornady HITS formula is lower. I will tell you that 3000 fps for a 264 Win Mag is slow for a 140 gr bullet. Most folks get 3200 out of a 140gr pill. My current 264 Win Mag has the 142 gr ABLRs going 3220. I am guessing the type of bullet is what is playing a role in the formula. Regardless I love the channel, and anything .264. Keep it up.
Thanks for checking on that. The missing data point is that the average bullet weight for .264 win mag is 138 grains, but 142 for the 6.5 PRC. The .264 Win Mag uses a slower twist rate than the PRC, so it uses shorter bullets, and thus not quite as heavy.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe I’ve watched Randy Newberg take about 30 elk with a 7mm-08, but it’s not on the elk list? Nor is the 270 win? Data is vital, but sometimes the map is not the territory.
6 mm Creedmoor and 243 probably other ones have lighter recoil then they're Creedmoor 6 5 and meet all the criteria you discussed and they're both lower recoil
I'd assume 95% of ethical hunters aren't pulling the trigger at 500 yards. I don't disagree with the list, but smaller calibers got the raw end of the deal considering the range cap was 500 yards. Something like .243 is perfectly viable with virtually no recoil if you live in an area where long sight lines aren't common.
Awesome stuff coming up. I love my 7mm-08 it's the most accurate rifle I own and on a really lightweight platform. I'm really looking forward to the best scope for $500 video. I own two vortex Viper HS scopes, a Leupold vx3i and a new Leupold VX3hd which are all in the $500 range, the new VX3HD was a pleasant surprise of an upgrade.
I just picked up a e bay find v x 3 1.75x 6 I usually put in on 4 x never cranked a 3x9 pass 6 for hunting so that’s in 30 years of hunting to include elk in Colorado back in the days so magnified just get a moved around too much a good critter x is jus a fixed 10 x my best yote scope
All that is great information for children or new hunters. They are all about the same. Made for deer or smaller at 0 to 250 yards. In my large group of shooters classify all 308 case based cartridges are Man Bun cartridges.
Do you remember how Robert McNamara tried to quantify the Vietnam War. Until recently, when surpassed by the .30-06, more deer and elk were killed by the .30-30 Winchester. I killed my first bull elk with a .25-35 Winchester. So, I'm not a big believer in numbers when it comes to hunting.
the capabilities of the bullet is so critical, coming back big difference between an 80lb white tail and decent elk, usual story is the shot placement and the bullet chosen and characteristics. then the rifle set up, weight, recoil pad and does it run a can? remember to protect ears
@@jeremyproper15 and those 4 elk were taken in open country with ranges out to 500 yards? That is what this comparison is based on. The 308 is a great round to take an elk with but it wouldn't be my choice for open country with long shots.
Thanks for the vid, I actually learned something. My personal choice for the "all around" hunting round is the .280 Whitetail, muley, elk, and moose. Have all fallen for me.
Didn’t we forget the 6.5x300 Weatherby? That’s a joy for all to shoot with super long barrel life! I don’t think I’m getting another rifle until Weatherby decides to make a .25x458 Lott.
I like your understanding of physics. It does not have to be in proper terms, only conceptual. One of my undergraduate degrees is physics. good job. One thing that comes through your vids, is that you have fun.
I wish I could do the scope review, as I’m from Hurricane. But I’m currently serving a mission in the Czech Republic, but hopefully you will still be doing things, like this when I get home next year. Keep up the good work
Few hunters take 500-yard shots; even fewer are accurate enough at that distance for heart-lung shot placement. Most game is taken within 200 yards; I would conduct the analysis, again, using a 300 yard cutoff. I take Elk with a .300 Savage model 99, and limit my shots to 200 yards. Plenty of 1-shot kills with a 180 grain slug at a MV of 2350 FPS. The Elk doesn't know how fast the slug was moving, or if it was a magnum cartridge, or anything else for that matter. One shot, and they drop or run and drop within 10-20 yards. The key is shot placement in the vitals.
I just had a rifle chambered for 7mm Sherman Short Mag. 180gr .284 Berger at 2900-3000 fps. About the most recoil I’d want out of a light weight hunting rifle. Excited to do some load development and see how it shoots.
What??!! No listing of the 6.5X55???!!! Baulderdash! Fun video! You do a lot of great work! The kind of work that I tried to do most of my life (I'm jealous!) Keep up the great work!
I agree with the feel. I have always said if the recoil needs to be a concern you have to shoot it. My brother-in-law hade the fanciest Winchester made in 300win and said he didn't even want to check zero before a hunt because it hurts him. I told him to bring it over and when he got here I handed him my skeleton stock rugger in 300win. After shooting a 5 round group you could cover up with a 50 cent price he looked at me and said I want this. I shot his once and said sorry about your damn luck.
I found it interesting that I have 2 rifle choices for deer (7mm-08 and .270) and 2 choices for elk (7mm Rem Mag and .30-06) even if these might not be my go-to calibers for these animals if given the choice (.308 for deer and .300 Win Mag for elk). Interesting topic for sure.
In the words of Clint Eastwood, "A man's got to know his limitations." and that's the one thing you appear to be missing Jim. Simple little things like where is the 257 Roberts? The 250 and 300 Savage? I could go on for a while. What if I limit my range to 250yds? Yes, some of us can do that... I know some can't. I saw 458Win on the list, I had to laugh as I knew a man, Mr. Pace, that used a 458Win for deer... He was old, like I am know and had hunted around the world, so he had one. He got tired of gutting deer, so he used his old 458Win. As a teenager, I was talking with the man who taught about hunting and he had just explained that Mr. Pace was hunting in an area below us and if I heard a very loud bang, go down and help Mr. Pace... No sooner had Luke said that to me when a huge roar erupted from the valley below us. Luke smiled and said "Uh, that would be Mr Pace... you go down and drag out whatever he has shot." I went down to find Mr Pace sitting on a log, smoking a cigarette, looking at the doe he had shot...She was laying about 20-25 yds away. I told him who I was and that Luke had sent me to drag out for him. I said, I'll go gut her and you can start back up the hill. He smiled and said, "No worry, I'll wait for you." I walked over the the doe, noticing the red spray across the ground. The hole into her look like a slug gun had shot her. I flipped her over a 6"x9" hole was on the other side. There wasn't much to dress out. So I love my little .243 and use it on deer out to ~400 yds without any issues. I don't hate the 6.5 Creedmore, I just don't fawn all over it like so many do. My 7mm08 beat it all over the Montana mountains that I used to hunt. and yes, I still have a 6mm (.244) Remington... and I don't hunt "big game" (Elk and Moose) over 300 yds because I can get closer than that fairly easily. My 25-06 doesn't seem to mind. At 66, I don't shoot stuff that slaps me around anymore. Didn't like it when I was young and still don't. Good bullets, placed well, seem to do me just fine. I live on a budget (self imposed) and don't need to buy a new gun every year, and unlike you, the manufacturers don't give me stuff. My stuff maybe older designs, but they still work just fine... At least for me.
Great video and some great cartridges. I'm not a fan of the current trend of using the smallest caliber possible for deer and especially elk (no 6.5 soymoor for me). Love the 280 rem as a light all arounder....& 300 winmag if the shot might be farther.
Just saw this video and wanted to add my experience. I've been using .300blk since I started deer hunting and so far have had very good results. Granted, where i hunt we don't have shots over 100 yards, but my rifle also isn't breaking 1000ft/lbs at the muzzle. That said I also have a 7mm-08, but I've yet to see a deer while I have been carrying it.
I have never seen a 50bmg without a muzzle brake. Hence the low felt recoil. My go to low recoil is a 7.5 pound 6.5x55 loaded with 160grn. Incredible penetration, will take any game species in North America providing it stays within its effective range.
Love my .28 Nosler. It feeds on 168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR bullets and Retumbo. I have a Nosler rifle and the combination is unbeatable for Western mulies and pronghorns. Drew a mule deer NR Wyoming tag this Fall. It's gonna get another good workout.
If you have been shoting long enough, It´s more a combination of Cartridge, Rifle weight and Stock counture. A 50 BMG in a 10Lbs hunting rifle or a 243 Win in a 6 Lbs hunting rifle. My 30-06 in my old 1917 Enfield barely kick´s yet my buddy´s Interarms Mauser in 30-06 raps me smartly shoulder and cheek. Old 30-30 Win kicks smartly in a lightweight 94, so sometimes you want a light weight rifle you have to downsize in cartridge power
Just to add some info. May be you know it but still. Hornady specifies 1600 fps for low limit velocity that gives good expansion of their bullets. There are at least a few videos here that have actual tests and that confirm it. That includes the sport shooting match bullets for the surprise of all.
Can’t wait for that scope review and hopefully a couple more on some higher class optics. (Razor HD LHT, Zeiss Conquest V4, Leupold VX5 HD, Swarovski Z5, Meopta Meostar. Etc.
In Colorado CPW requires the firearm have 1000 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards to be legal to hunt big game. The Lyman reloading manual #47 has what is called the Optimum Game Weight which shows the firearm, the bullet weight, and the velocity. Then the optimum game weight it should be used for at different yardage. It seems a bit heavy, for instance a .308 with a 150 grain bullet should be used at muzzle on an animal weighing no more that 757 lbs. and at 400 yards and animal weighing no more than 188 lbs. If this is followed all the new smaller caliber rifles would not be much use at the ranges people are trying to use them.
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The 30-06 is 115 years old. Has served in continuous battle grounds since 1906 and has killed everything that walks and some things that no longer walk on this planet. From your list the only cartridges that appear to be older is 22lr, 30-30, and 45-70. Talk about a testament to design.
There’s nothing magical about the design. If the US government had adopted the 6.5 Swede we’d all be fiercely loyal to that and bow in reverence to it. After a few decades, the tradition becomes self-reinforcing. Why do I know this is true? Because that’s exactly what is true in the Northern European countries where hunters adopted the Swede.
@@G5Hohn …. After being on the receiving end of Spanish 7x57mm the US Army took it and supersized it to 7.62x63mm. Which is how we got the .30/06 cartridge.
@@G5Hohn Scandinavia doesn’t have grizzly bears roaming it’s forests.
@@falba1492 Correct, it has much larger polar bears, although not in the forest. And the Swede will take a polar bear.
@@Idahoguy10157 Exactly. There's nothing magic about the design, as it's a supersized 7mm Mauser copy. Right down to the bolt face and rim specs. Tradition. Stick with what works. Think how many rimless designs are out there now that use that exact same boltface/rim diameter. It's self-reinforcing.
Dang it. Rewatched the video and noticed an error. I said only 3% of shots are past 500 yards. Not true. Some of the respondents hadn't shot a big game animal yet, so they should be removed. Actually, it's 4.2%. I may never forgive myself.
At 5:10 you may have a 2nd error.
You mention your threshold of 1900fps at 500 yards, which will be a huge leap for me and possible some other viewers, but then you state 1900ft.lbs.
Why a huge leap? Take a Hornady ELD-X for example, it can expand as low as 1600fps. (Peterson Hunting - Going Long Range With Hornady's Versatile ELD-X)
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Id absolutely love to see a projectile review and comparison with say a 7mm rem mag. At the end of the day your rifle is only as good as the projectile you sent at the deer, and at 7mm velocities you can get some wacky stuff happening. Could do categories like :
penetration,
Expansion,
BC,
Cost,
I personally run nosler 160gr accubonds, but at $2 a projectile it’s steep. I’d love to see how an ELDX stacks up. If it has 90% the penetration for 50% the cost id definitely switch.
That 6.5 PRC is looking more attractive as an all around hunting cartridge.
243 gets it done for many situations and is great for deer.
IMO this guy has the most logical and well thought out video's on youtube for hunting/shooting. Keep them coming, let me add this,
I live in Colorado and have successfully hunted big game every year since I was a teenager in the late 70's in three western states.
I've owned a 260, 7-08 definitely kills faster, my wife and son have killed a truckload of deer/antelope/elk with it and I've killed a dozen or more with it as well.
I keep going back to the 6.5's, started out in life with a 264wm, then to the 260, 7-08, 7saum, 300saum and currently using a 6.5prc. My hunting partner uses a 270wsm, very impressive.
My observations and opinions, 6.5's shine the brightest in the wind, nothing beats them when it's howling.
264wm is awesome but the barrel life is to short and I don't care for long action rifles anymore.
260 kills good but often times it's difficult to tell right away if the shot is fatal or even see a reaction from a fatally hit animal.
7-08 kills way better than it looks like it should but the bullets blow around in the wind pretty bad at long range.
7saum is to much for even big mule deer, I've ruined both shoulders and upper loin with a heart shot on a big mule deer, great elk cartridge.
I sold the 300saum, kicks to hard, poor trajectory, doesn't do well in the wind.
I've only shot a couple of deer and antelope with the 6.5prc, it's not a 264wm but close enough on deer and antelope, remains to be seen how it will do on elk.
The 270wsm is a star in this category, a little to much for antelope but deer and elk it's probably as close to perfect as one could get.
I'm currently experimenting with the 6mm arc, plan on taking a doe and buck antelope with it and a whitetail doe2021 {limiting the size to 135lbs and smaller animals} it's a small cartridge.
Good analysis. Needing a lighter rifle than my 1962 Model 70 300 Weatherby, I am looking at 7mm-08 & 260. 243 & 25-06 bullets too light. Settling in on 7mm-08, & you nudged me closer. Now, as for the light weight rifle . . .
Great analysis. Thanks for sharing your experience... sounds like the 6.8 Western should be next on your list. Wicked down range energy and BC.🇺🇸
The 6.5 PRC and the .30-06 are my favorite, you outdid yourself with this video.
Thank you
Really interesting! Kind of funny. When I started thinking about shooting big game back in the mid 1980's my buddies dad said " Go get an 30-06 or 7mm Rem Mag in a Remington Model 700. You will never need another rifle unless you head to Alaska...
He was right then and it looks like he's still right..!
Or any of a couple of dozen other good old cartridges. Animals are no tougher than they've ever been and the old standards still get the job done. The new stuff is fun to play with but no more effective.
I like the math nerd stuff. Surely, a lot of people find it boring, but I dig it.
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This 2022 Recoil Chart is still my go to for so many questions on these calibers and capabilities. Thank you for taking the time to compile it!
Where do I get a copy of the chart?
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You have an AWESOME channel dude! Thanks for what you do. You are a great addition to this great community.
If it makes you feel any better, ty is demonitising all gun channels. You didn't cross any specific line
I learned more math and physics in this than school
Laughing all the way with a 6.5x55 - (and given the scalability of loads in this category - through 140 and 156 grain certainly makes it a nice alternative).
My 6.5x55 with handloads bears my creed by 100 fps
Super underrated caliber… everyone saw 6.5 cm and went with it when in reality 6.5 swede has been around for over a century
@@alanb2845 I complete agree. I had the Swede before the creed. In a modern action with handloads mine has bear my creed in speed and accuracy.
@@clydeowens8014 Swede can only beta cred if you exceed CIP max pressure.
@@PaulVerhoeven2 I’m loading in a modern action. No pressure at all. No cratered primers no ejector Marks and no heavy bolt lift. Took all the way to 2875 with 140 grain Bergers out of a 20 inch barrel. My creed the best I have done with 140’s is 2700ish with 22 inch barrel.
Thank you for finally doing a scopes video!! Also thanks for the content. If it's me as a new shooter, I'm buying a gun that shoots 270 win. My research shows it's good enough to kill a deer or elk, as well as the kick isn't too bad. THanks again!!
The 270 Win is an incredible cartridge. Ammo is (was lol), always available anywhere you go. It’s pretty much the best deer 🦌 cartilage available. Recoil is not bad at all. Get a Tikka, and put it in a GRS stock, and you’ll good as gold.
You will not be upset with a .270!!! It is awesome.
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The .270 Win is not optimal as an all-around rifle because the twist rate is generally too slow for the heavier bullets that you would want to use for elk or moose. If you are a large person, a 7mm Rem Mag would be better (higher velocity). If small, a 7mm-08 is probably better. The .270 is great for mule deer and big horn sheep in the Rockies, but those other two calibers will take them just as well.
Hmmm, my 270 Win makes the HITS list at 1004, and using my favorite hunting factory ammo, 143 ELDX lists 500yd energy at 1567, velocity at 2206 fps. I'm not sure which ammo you were listing to get your data. If your averaging bullets and load info into one number, that's a little like saying-if I have my left hand in boiling water and my right hand in ice water, then on average I'm comfortable. It might be more relevant to use the most popular deer cartridge in each caliber, and the most popular Elk cartridge in each caliber.
Great video.
Love your channel and videos. Keep 'em coming.
Hear! Hear!
I was wondering how 270win didn't make it onto the Elk list, yet the creedmore did? Just seems like 270 would be on both. 🤷♂️
This is a great list and effort, but it's fuzzy by definition, especially at the cut-offs. If I were Elk hunting, I would use my .270 with a proper loading for Elk, and if confronted with a shot longer than 500 yards, I'd be mindful of the limitations.
We wouldn't have anything to talk about if we just used what works. Boring old 30.06, 270 Win, 308.
My hunting party took 3 elk this year all with 270 with 150 partition. Non went further than 40 yards.
I sold all my magnums a long time ago. The 7x57 (or the 7mm-08) and the .45-70 will do everything I need to do without beating me up in the process. In the 7mm's, a 150 grain Partition will easily reach 2700 fps, and I use Trapdoor level loads with cast bullets in the .45-70. Neither of these are 'long-range' cartridges, but where I live 200 yards is a long shot indeed.
Sweet! Great cartridges. At 200 yds you got venison. IMHO shooting animals too far away is unethical. I cringe when people brag about shooting critters past 300 yds
Consider the 9.3x62 Mauser cartridge. Along with your 45-70
@@Idahoguy10157 I'd probably choose the .338-06 over the 9.3x62, mostly because of a better bullet selection. The .35 Whelen would also be a valid choice.
@@r.awilliams9815 …. I get it. My suggestion has much to do with the 9.3x62 being matched up with the 7x57. They have that African heritage together.
Nice vid. I love looking at the numbers for different rounds. For anybody interested, I found the formula Hornady uses to calculate HITS:
HITS = (W^2 / 7000) * (V/D^2) / 100
where
HITS = Hornady Index of Terminal Standards
W = Weight of the bullet in grains.
V = Impact velocity of the bullet in feet/sec.
D = Diameter of the bullet in inches.
We just can't resist a top ten video! Great topic on this one as many hunters factor recoil into the equation. Good job!
I'm not even a hunter, but I really enjoyed this video. Really well done!
I can't wait for 7mm-08 cartridge profile!!! Seriously under rated cartridge!!! Super capable anything from dogs to bulls
Maybe it’s underrated where you live and hunt. Where I am it’s almost all anyone shoots.
@@tylerbrown4483 I figured it had to be better known elsewhere. I hardly see it anywhere anymore in my area.
Hum well I don’t know where it comes from that it take 1,000 lbs of kinetic energy to take a white tail deer. I’ve learned over the years it’s 600 ft lbs for deer, 800 for mule deer, and 1,000 lbs for elk and around 1,200 for moose. Each type of bullet also expands at different velocity’s. Whether or not it’s a bonded type bullet or a jacket hollow point or a VLD type bullet. For instance my Berger VLDs only need 1300 FPS to expand. Hornady ELDs need 1600 FPS. Well that’s what’s on the box anyway. It is a good video and your are helping with what people need to look for in a bullet and caliber rifle that is needed for a humane kill. This is a good thing.
Great video and great idea about your back yard and scopes! Also, so glad you mentioned doing a video on 7mm-08. I truly enjoy loading for my 7-08. It’s not overwhelming ballistics wise, but very efficient. Love whitetail hunting with 140 loads. I chuckle when I hear people say it’s a great “youth” cartridge. They don’t understand efficiency. Thanks
The 160gr Sierra Tipped MatchKing I hand load for my Weatherby is still traveling above 2000fps and 1530 ft-lbf at 400 yards. And it’s a pleasure to shoot. I’m amused by the diehard .308 fans I’m friends with that scoff at the 7mm-08.
@@stevennewman4778 impressive load!
Remington made a few 7600 pump rifles in 7mm08. Sweet rifle. I have been looking for one for many years.
I would like to see 7mm-08 I can get over 2900 fps with a 140 grain bullet with less recoil then a 308
Can we all start shooting more of this round so it gets more popular!!! 😁😁😁 Why does nobody care about this awesome cartridge!!!
I'm using my 7mm08 for elk this year and my load data shows good for elk out past 700 yards elevation plays a huge part of these numbers .
It’s a awesome round love my Sako 85 in 7mm08 will never get rid of it my favourite gun cheers Yogi Australia 🇦🇺🤙🤙
@@packman3220 A few years back it started getting a bit of a hipster reputation for some reason. As though the people shooting it chose it over .308 just to be different.
It also gets overshadowed by the bigger 7mm rounds in long range precision since it can't sling the heavy 165+ bullets as well as a 7mm Mag and the like.
@@jamesreeder8917 its around a 6ft hold to account for drop my, misses hunts with the 7mm-08 she dropped a cow elk at 340yds last season. I was impressed by the 7mm-08
The content of this channel is so unique and interesting, even to someone like me who doesn't shoot rifles very often. And I can tell you guys are having FUN making these videos, and that always makes content more enjoyable when you know the content creator enjoys making it. Keep up the good work!
Good overview. Correctly said, the main thing is the speed of the blow to the shoulder. In all this splendor, the best at 500m. is 6.8 Winchester. Very balanced, weight, recoil speed.
A lot of guys hunt with the 6.5 Grendel out of an AR-15. With rounds like that you can't practically reach out to 500 yards but most people don't need to shoot that far. There are so many variables when choosing your cartridge, pick whatever makes you happy because that's why you're shooting in the first place (hopefully).
Started my boys with a 6.8 spc in an AR-15 for deer. Nearly zero recoil, good energy to 300 (all their shots have been inside of 200) 120 gr SST kills everything we shoot with it. Deer, pigs, coyotes... The 6.5 grendel is great too.
115 barnes ttsx 6.5 grendel favorite deer/hog load
Cool video, a few of my favorites made the cut! My 7x57 and 270Win made the deer cut and for elk, the 30-06 and 7RM!
It was great to see that these old warhorses were able to keep up with the new hi-tech/sci-fi laser beams!
Love my 7 Mauser!
I got a good deal on a sporterized WWII Mauser in 7x57 early this year that is a dream to shoot. I can't wait for deer season to open.😀
Considering your 6.5prc checked all those boxes, you should have made an honorable mention to what was directly above and below, those rifles and ammo are more available and cheaper, and have been killing it for a long time. All hail the beloved 308 & 7mm-08.
Yes, he's doing an apples to apples comparison on specific criteria with average bullets and average rifle weight. People should view this list as a starting point for decision making, not a finish. For example, to say a 7mm08 is insufficient for elk, well there are lots of factory loadings that will hit all the criteria at 400 yards, which might be all some people need. Or handload to hit all the criteria at 450 or 475.
I would have to agree on the velocity issue. I have a .458 Magnum I had built for me about 50 years ago, with a Mannlicher stock to the muzzle, a heavy rollover comb steeply pitched towards the action, a ventilated recoil pad, and Mag-Na-Ported to contain muzzle rise. It is heavy, but far more enjoyable to shoot than a Remington 742 in .30-06 I have, and that assessment was confirmed by others during the same comparison in the field.
The .458's recoil is a slow but determined push, as opposed to an angry slap at the shoulder. You would vastly prefer to hunt with it over the Remington were it not for the weight you have to schlep, but with a generously wide sling, you certainly don't feel it in the shoulder - only in the legs. And that's shooting 500 grain solids or 450 grain soft nose - vs. 180 grain .30-06. It's also why a 9.5 lb Garand is far more comfortable to shoot than the 7.5 lb 742 - the additional 2 pounds of gun weight makes a big difference when firing .30-06 cartridges of equal loading.
I had to chuckle at your final choices! I have a 700 BDL DM Remington 7mm REM Mag, Tikka T3X Laminate stock stainless barrel .270 and wooohooo a Tikka T3X Synthetic stock stainless barrel in 7mm-08. Not bad I picked 3 of your top 5 for my collection of rifles. I enjoy your RUclips show and wish you success in your endeavors! Great work and very informative!
The reality is that most people just don't hunt over 300 yards, but is was interesting.
Exactly, I've been hunting for 40 yrs and have shot one mule deer at 315yds. All the rest mostly whitetails were 200 yds and in.
Recoil matters. Good analysis. Makes sense.
There’s a reason why so many people love the Creedmoor. Interesting that 6.5 mm topped the list for both deer and elk.
If u can’t shoot a 300 w m. Don’t that simple 28 nosler ? Vs 7 mag I can load a 7 mm 08 w 160 to 2650 bang flop u name it and mine shoots 120 s 130 to 3 k just like the .270
As a request; for an episode; I have both read and observed loading a heavier bullet into a rifle will reduce felt recoil as compared to the same rifle with a lighter round, with certain caveats. The reason for this is felt recoil is a combination of both force and speed. For example a 7mm RM fires a 175 grain bullet slower than a 150 grain bullet. The slower speed of the 175 results in a proportionally slower recoil on your shoulder. A constraint I want to add the objective for he bullet fired is the same meaning let's not compare a 139 whitetail round with a 175 grain Elk round, let's compare a 150 grain round intended for Elk with a 175 grain round intended for Elk. I have observed this myself and believe it but have no data to support it. I also read that slowing down the bullet speed will reduce barrel wear and for that reason some owners of the 7mm RM will fire 175 grain rounds vs. 150 grain rounds. It made sense to me I now only shoot 168 grain and up bullets from my 7mm RM and the reasons I stated above are why I do it. What really convinced me of the lower recoil, I am generally more accurate with heavier bullets from different providers with the 7mm RM, I assume this is because recoil is lighter with the heavier bullets, but I don't know. It may be bullet weight and my barrel. I have a 9:1 twist however which SHOULD favor the 150 grain bullet however it does not. I see greater spreads with 150 grain bullets than with 175 grain bullets but acceptable, 142 grain bullets produce unacceptable spread, no matter what, but surprisingly 139 grain bullets bring the spread back in.... Typical pattern for 175 grain is almost always sub-moa.
I like my .243 with 100gr ammo for deer. Every deer I have got dropped right there, also it doesn't tear up the meat as much if you get a weird angle and the shot isn't true.but my .243 is a bit sentimental because dad gave it to me on our last deer season before he passed..
This whole discussion is just another attempt to justify buying another latest fad rifle and caliber, he has massaged the bullet weights and criteria to justify how great the latest fad calibers are when really the .243, 270, 7mm mag, 308, 30-06 and 300 win mag have been killing deer and elk quite effectively for the last 50 years and will continue to do so for the next 50 years.
One of the reasons I chose 270wsm is the speed of the bullet being still fairly high out to 4-500 yards while maintaining relatively lower recoil. Up to 8 elk with it now. Farthest shot was about 325 yards. Right around 200 yards for the rest of the shots, give or take.
270 wsm is a thumper, totally underrated, it should be the most popular deer/ elk cartridge today
I’ve been wondering about this exact topic for years. Thanks for another excellent video!
I’ve harvested many of deer (granted Texas hill country white tail” with a 22-250. Quite possibly the best cartridge for Texas hunting.
Next up my 6.5 creedmoor is perfectly fine.
The 300 prc is my newest caliber but not useful for Texas hunting besides hogs or Javelina. Didn’t buy it for hunting really anyway.
Super entertaining. Some of the muzzle velocities are maybe off a bit. Take 308 win for instance. 2491, ok 180 grain sure. Quality hunting bullet 165-168 can be easily driven at 2700 fps from a 24" barrel, and is a proven elk killer. Bet it turns all categories green. Keep up the good work!
I wish I still lived out your way I would loan you my browning xbolt hells canyon extreme long range in 6.8 western. That rifle manages the recoil so well that it kicks less than my 6.5 creedmoor.
I agree. 6.8 western is an amazing round
@@williamdouglass4141 I took it out to 1000 yards yesterday. It was very effortless, my 15 year old boy was killing it also. I really could not be happier.
270 Winchester or 270 wsm is the ticket.
You could have made 300 or even 400 yards as a more realistic the cut off and came up with different calibers like the 6.5x55 Swedish or 308 Winchester. What was the cutoff recoil velocity? Clearly a lot gun have fairly low recoil. Also following your rules the 50 BMG is one of the lightest recoiling Elk rounds. Nice work by the way!!!!
Yeah, this is my issue with this, this is cool, but I wish the distance and power metrics were left a little more open to user preference, say I want a 300-yard whitetail caliber. Something like a 6.5 Grendel might be perfect. This spreadsheet is a good starting point to build a tool to directly compare pretty disparate calibers and help hunters choose their tools more precisely.
I think your missing the fact that he leaves the data set open and up on his website for you to do just that! Go check it out.
@@libertarianGO I checked it is a fun manner to put it together. He makes his arguments well.
308 win or 7mm-08 would be my picks
7mm-08 makes the list, but .308 drops below 1,900fps at 500 yards, so it didn't quite make it. Still a great low-recoil cartridge, though. Just not good for the super long shots.
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I love that you made this list. I will be using it. I think with the right bullet and the right load, you can make many of these calibers move up to elk killers.
I shoot a Savage 10 FLCP-SR 308 and it is very comfortable shooting the Hornady Superformance 150 SST ammo and has dropped Elk at 500 yds with a single shot no problem. Looking at your chart it appears you looked at very heavy bullets for the 308 which kept it off the top 10 list...
I’m a ride or die 6.5x55 shooter for deer. soft soft shooter, dead nuts accurate, and it’s got that “I’m different” allure 😂 I love it
That's cool that you invited people over to try out scopes! I was just out there for Trail Hero! I can't wait to come back to the area. I just found your channel today...I'm really enjoying the information you're sharing. Thank you.
Anyone that says the .50bmg has light recoil most definitely fired through the Barret m82. It spreads the recoil over an extended period. I compare it to getting hit by a truck with 500 pillows in between.
270.
Interesting choice of subject: recoil.
Both before and after WW2, the U.S. Army found that, even among "City Boys" who had never touched any sort of gun before, at least 96% of them were, with training and experience, able to deal with the recoil of a .30-06' rifle WITH NO ISSUES whatsoever.
Of the remaining 4%, about 3/4 of them were fine with "just a little bit" of additional training. (My Grandfather said, about 2 or 3 weeks, at most!)
The rest, were just "Wash-outs".
The 7.62x39 is a good whitetail deer round if you get hollowpoints or soft points. And cheap, no recoil either. But it's a light round. Shot placement is important
I'v took my first two deer 🦌 with 7.62x39 mac-90 I have a ROSSI wizard in 7.62x39 caliber I really like that rifle.
I love this channel. Excellent video and sound quality combined with an extremely knowledgeable host, great data.
I think your math is wrong on the 264 Win Mag. Shows to have more velocity than the 6.5 PRC at both muzzle and 500 yards but some how the energy is a little lower, and the hornady HITS formula is lower. I will tell you that 3000 fps for a 264 Win Mag is slow for a 140 gr bullet. Most folks get 3200 out of a 140gr pill. My current 264 Win Mag has the 142 gr ABLRs going 3220. I am guessing the type of bullet is what is playing a role in the formula. Regardless I love the channel, and anything .264. Keep it up.
Thanks for checking on that. The missing data point is that the average bullet weight for .264 win mag is 138 grains, but 142 for the 6.5 PRC. The .264 Win Mag uses a slower twist rate than the PRC, so it uses shorter bullets, and thus not quite as heavy.
I figured the bullet was the culprit. Who puts a 1 in 9 twist on anything 6.5 anyways....SMH. I appreciate the response.
They are also running the bullet speed out of a 24 inch barrel instead of the original 26 inch sporter barrel!
Thank you for your channel!
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe I’ve watched Randy Newberg take about 30 elk with a 7mm-08, but it’s not on the elk list? Nor is the 270 win? Data is vital, but sometimes the map is not the territory.
6 mm Creedmoor and 243 probably other ones have lighter recoil then they're Creedmoor 6 5 and meet all the criteria you discussed and they're both lower recoil
I mean put a brake on and wear hearing protection, this list goes out the window
I'd assume 95% of ethical hunters aren't pulling the trigger at 500 yards. I don't disagree with the list, but smaller calibers got the raw end of the deal considering the range cap was 500 yards. Something like .243 is perfectly viable with virtually no recoil if you live in an area where long sight lines aren't common.
Awesome stuff coming up. I love my 7mm-08 it's the most accurate rifle I own and on a really lightweight platform. I'm really looking forward to the best scope for $500 video. I own two vortex Viper HS scopes, a Leupold vx3i and a new Leupold VX3hd which are all in the $500 range, the new VX3HD was a pleasant surprise of an upgrade.
I just picked up a e bay find v x 3 1.75x 6 I usually put in on 4 x never cranked a 3x9 pass 6 for hunting so that’s in 30 years of hunting to include elk in Colorado back in the days so magnified just get a moved around too much a good critter x is jus a fixed 10 x my best yote scope
unlike in the us in new zealand the 7mm08 is probably the most popular calibre in new zealand and definitely more popular than 6.5 creedmoor
Great quick breakdown on this subject!
7mm-08 is IMHO the best all around caliber. I personally use the 270 wsm but wish I had the 7mm-08.
All that is great information for children or new hunters. They are all about the same. Made for deer or smaller at 0 to 250 yards. In my large group of shooters classify all 308 case based cartridges are Man Bun cartridges.
Do you remember how Robert McNamara tried to quantify the Vietnam War. Until recently, when surpassed by the .30-06, more deer and elk were killed by the .30-30 Winchester. I killed my first bull elk with a .25-35 Winchester. So, I'm not a big believer in numbers when it comes to hunting.
the capabilities of the bullet is so critical, coming back big difference between an 80lb white tail and decent elk, usual story is the shot placement and the bullet chosen and characteristics. then the rifle set up, weight, recoil pad and does it run a can? remember to protect ears
Took 4 elk with my 308 180grain no problem
Same results on Canadian moose with 180gr from the old underrated .308
Right on
@@jeremyproper15 and those 4 elk were taken in open country with ranges out to 500 yards? That is what this comparison is based on. The 308 is a great round to take an elk with but it wouldn't be my choice for open country with long shots.
Best Scope under $500? Easy peasy…The Vortex Viper HS 4-16x44 hands down 🙌🏽
It's not quite under $500. This comparison will look at the Vortex Diamondback, though.
@@backfire I bought mine at Sportsman’s for $499.99 but regular price is like $700 I believe..
Can we just forget 6.5 exists... because some one is going to say if its good enough for deer its good enough for elk if my shots placed.
which 6.5? creedmoor?
Thanks for the vid, I actually learned something.
My personal choice for the "all around" hunting round is the .280
Whitetail, muley, elk, and moose. Have all fallen for me.
Didn’t we forget the 6.5x300 Weatherby? That’s a joy for all to shoot with super long barrel life!
I don’t think I’m getting another rifle until Weatherby decides to make a .25x458 Lott.
7 saum would be a great efficient round for elk as well.
I’m very much looking forward to your feature on the 7mm-08.
I like your understanding of physics. It does not have to be in proper terms, only conceptual.
One of my undergraduate degrees is physics.
good job.
One thing that comes through your vids, is that you have fun.
I wish I could do the scope review, as I’m from Hurricane. But I’m currently serving a mission in the Czech Republic, but hopefully you will still be doing things, like this when I get home next year. Keep up the good work
Few hunters take 500-yard shots; even fewer are accurate enough at that distance for heart-lung shot placement. Most game is taken within 200 yards; I would conduct the analysis, again, using a 300 yard cutoff. I take Elk with a .300 Savage model 99, and limit my shots to 200 yards. Plenty of 1-shot kills with a 180 grain slug at a MV of 2350 FPS. The Elk doesn't know how fast the slug was moving, or if it was a magnum cartridge, or anything else for that matter. One shot, and they drop or run and drop within 10-20 yards. The key is shot placement in the vitals.
I just had a rifle chambered for 7mm Sherman Short Mag. 180gr .284 Berger at 2900-3000 fps. About the most recoil I’d want out of a light weight hunting rifle. Excited to do some load development and see how it shoots.
Thanks for sharing the sheet
What??!! No listing of the 6.5X55???!!!
Baulderdash!
Fun video!
You do a lot of great work! The kind of work that I tried to do most of my life (I'm jealous!)
Keep up the great work!
Love your reviews.
I love my .270. Killed many deer in PA and moose in AK with 1 shot.
In the 6 months since this video, you've reached over 400k subscribers 👏🎊
I agree with the feel. I have always said if the recoil needs to be a concern you have to shoot it. My brother-in-law hade the fanciest Winchester made in 300win and said he didn't even want to check zero before a hunt because it hurts him. I told him to bring it over and when he got here I handed him my skeleton stock rugger in 300win. After shooting a 5 round group you could cover up with a 50 cent price he looked at me and said I want this. I shot his once and said sorry about your damn luck.
I found it interesting that I have 2 rifle choices for deer (7mm-08 and .270) and 2 choices for elk (7mm Rem Mag and .30-06) even if these might not be my go-to calibers for these animals if given the choice (.308 for deer and .300 Win Mag for elk). Interesting topic for sure.
In the words of Clint Eastwood, "A man's got to know his limitations." and that's the one thing you appear to be missing Jim. Simple little things like where is the 257 Roberts? The 250 and 300 Savage? I could go on for a while. What if I limit my range to 250yds? Yes, some of us can do that... I know some can't. I saw 458Win on the list, I had to laugh as I knew a man, Mr. Pace, that used a 458Win for deer... He was old, like I am know and had hunted around the world, so he had one. He got tired of gutting deer, so he used his old 458Win. As a teenager, I was talking with the man who taught about hunting and he had just explained that Mr. Pace was hunting in an area below us and if I heard a very loud bang, go down and help Mr. Pace... No sooner had Luke said that to me when a huge roar erupted from the valley below us. Luke smiled and said "Uh, that would be Mr Pace... you go down and drag out whatever he has shot." I went down to find Mr Pace sitting on a log, smoking a cigarette, looking at the doe he had shot...She was laying about 20-25 yds away. I told him who I was and that Luke had sent me to drag out for him. I said, I'll go gut her and you can start back up the hill. He smiled and said, "No worry, I'll wait for you." I walked over the the doe, noticing the red spray across the ground. The hole into her look like a slug gun had shot her. I flipped her over a 6"x9" hole was on the other side. There wasn't much to dress out. So I love my little .243 and use it on deer out to ~400 yds without any issues. I don't hate the 6.5 Creedmore, I just don't fawn all over it like so many do. My 7mm08 beat it all over the Montana mountains that I used to hunt. and yes, I still have a 6mm (.244) Remington... and I don't hunt "big game" (Elk and Moose) over 300 yds because I can get closer than that fairly easily. My 25-06 doesn't seem to mind. At 66, I don't shoot stuff that slaps me around anymore. Didn't like it when I was young and still don't. Good bullets, placed well, seem to do me just fine. I live on a budget (self imposed) and don't need to buy a new gun every year, and unlike you, the manufacturers don't give me stuff. My stuff maybe older designs, but they still work just fine... At least for me.
Great video and some great cartridges. I'm not a fan of the current trend of using the smallest caliber possible for deer and especially elk (no 6.5 soymoor for me). Love the 280 rem as a light all arounder....& 300 winmag if the shot might be farther.
Long live .270 Winchester!
The weight of the weapon and use of a muzzle break changes everything.
The .243 Winchester is the answer. Period. 100% of my deer kills have been under 250 yards. 95% under 200 yards.
That 7mm WSM looked pretty good on the numbers.
Just saw this video and wanted to add my experience. I've been using .300blk since I started deer hunting and so far have had very good results. Granted, where i hunt we don't have shots over 100 yards, but my rifle also isn't breaking 1000ft/lbs at the muzzle. That said I also have a 7mm-08, but I've yet to see a deer while I have been carrying it.
If I understand you correct the 308win should be placed over 270win.?? Am I wrong🤔?
Very interesting stuff!!
Glad you still posting!
It should also be used as a elk round
But acording to this video, not optimal for over 500 yds. I guess thats about right.
I bought a 7mm-08 when I was 9 for deer and I love the rifle
I have never seen a 50bmg without a muzzle brake. Hence the low felt recoil.
My go to low recoil is a 7.5 pound 6.5x55 loaded with 160grn. Incredible penetration, will take any game species in North America providing it stays within its effective range.
Love my .28 Nosler. It feeds on 168 grain Nosler AccuBond LR bullets and Retumbo. I have a Nosler rifle and the combination is unbeatable for Western mulies and pronghorns. Drew a mule deer NR Wyoming tag this Fall. It's gonna get another good workout.
I'll be passing through St George this weekend headed to my wife's hometown Pioche NV for Labor Day!
Oh man! Would be fun to meet up with you as you pass by, but I’m hunting in Africa.
If you have been shoting long enough, It´s more a combination of Cartridge, Rifle weight and Stock counture. A 50 BMG in a 10Lbs hunting rifle or a 243 Win in a 6 Lbs hunting rifle. My 30-06 in my old 1917 Enfield barely kick´s yet my buddy´s Interarms Mauser in 30-06 raps me smartly shoulder and cheek. Old 30-30 Win kicks smartly in a lightweight 94, so sometimes you want a light weight rifle you have to downsize in cartridge power
Just to add some info. May be you know it but still. Hornady specifies 1600 fps for low limit velocity that gives good expansion of their bullets. There are at least a few videos here that have actual tests and that confirm it. That includes the sport shooting match bullets for the surprise of all.
Can’t wait for that scope review and hopefully a couple more on some higher class optics. (Razor HD LHT, Zeiss Conquest V4, Leupold VX5 HD, Swarovski Z5, Meopta Meostar. Etc.
But the zeiss conquest v4 is cheap for being a zeiss.
I own almost all of those scopes too, so that review will be coming.
Ready for a 7mm08 video. Desert dog did one that was pretty good.
In Colorado CPW requires the firearm have 1000 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards to be legal to hunt big game. The Lyman reloading manual #47 has what is called the Optimum Game Weight which shows the firearm, the bullet weight, and the velocity. Then the optimum game weight it should be used for at different yardage. It seems a bit heavy, for instance a .308 with a 150 grain bullet should be used at muzzle on an animal weighing no more that 757 lbs. and at 400 yards and animal weighing no more than 188 lbs. If this is followed all the new smaller caliber rifles would not be much use at the ranges people are trying to use them.