"When a boxer is knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent to the farthest neutral corner of the ring and pick up the count from the timekeeper or the official counting for knockdowns. Should the opponent fail to stay in the corner as directed by the referee, the referee shall stop the count and redirect the boxer to go back to the corner and resume the count at the point that it was interrupted. In the event of any knockdown, the timekeepers count will cease when picked up by the referee whose count shall prevail and be relied on by the boxers." This is from the WBF rules. I found it in 30 seconds. I wish people wouldn't talk so much nonsense when you can easily check it online. Wilder moved away from the Corner he was sent to which is why the count was stopped.
Your deserve more upvotes. Gave you one. Joe is incorrect concerning that rule then. The referee did nothing wrong and picked up the count where he stopped it and not where the ringside count was. Everything ok.
"I Knew if I could just open my eyes I was alive and ok. And if I was alive I could get up, and if I could get up, I could could fight." -Tyson Fury A man who can beat his own demons can beat anyone.
It was that fight that made me a Tyson Fury fan. He said he did it to show other people going through metal problems, that if he can come back from it, so can you.
Fury has an incredible jaw recovery time. Pure tenacity. Gets up. Dusts off one of the hardest single connections ever. And boxes even more dangerously… Fury is the king
Seeing Wilders kd on Fury in slow motion You can tell how insanely hard that man punches and Fury recovered perfectly. And even after when he got hit in the back of the head he still recovered with no issue.
@@mcskillet7106 yeah idk how it's possible he has such an incredible jaw lol but people use Fury's punch resistance to say that every other HW will destroy Wilder now and it's like... No dude 😂 everyone else at HW has jaws made of clay pottery and have been previously knocked out by weaker fighters lmao Wilder would still be the #1 HW king if Fury had stayed retired
@@bruderschweigen6889 yes the fury family is generations of fighting. But his moms side of the family was also known for fighting. Tyson was literally born to fight
The point everyones missing is that Fury follows the refs count before getting up at 8 both times. Its not like he couldnt get up immediately had he really tried, but most trainers i know insist to make the most of the count if you're knocked down. If the refs count was bang on Fury would still have got up at 8 both times. Its a hollow argument.
That's what I've been saying all along, spot on 👍 fury will make the most of the count like any boxer would to recover a little, he's just going off the count, even if it was a quick 10 count he still would of got up before the 10 🤷
It's never been a 10 second count. It's a 10 count. This leaves some leeway to the ref if he feels the fighter has a chance to come back. It's not perfect just like calling balls and strikes in baseball. I also believe that Wilder's infraction of not staying in the neutral corner does indeed pause the count.
Also Fury was clear in his head and took his time when he got extra time. If the ref hadn’t paused he would have gotten up in time anyway. It’s a rookie mistake to stand up too early.
I agree, but the same people will complain that Buster Douglas got a long count against Tyson when he clearly beats the '10 count' not the '10 second count'.
It's not a belief system there is a man at ringside who's supposed to start the count the second the fighter hits the ground the ref checks with this man after placing the fighter and continues his count from there.
Somebody uploaded a video of both Wilder and Fury getting knocked down on each occasion when the ref reaches his 8 count it's 12 seconds for both fighters. So the ref was very balanced.
But you can't. He not smart enough to understand what to do to become a great boxer. His ego is too big now and he'll always revert to reliance on power. Fury his the craft in his DNA. The art lives in Fury's soul.
@@Pleaver Nuh Wilder fights how he fights because it plays to his strengths and is what gives him the edge over his opponents, if Wilder tried to box any other way he'd just get outclassed and pieced up like he has against Fury. He started when he was 20 years old and has to box against people who've been boxing since pre puberty
Regarding the count - doesn’t matter if it actually takes 10 seconds or 20 seconds, the fighter isn’t going to try and stand up until about 7 or 8 on the count so you can’t blame the fallen fighter
Yeah, Rogan is wrong again on this. It's a 10 count, not ten seconds, at the referees discretion. Fury got up at the count he heard. He would've gotten up whenever. These referees do not make mistakes at this level. They know what they are doing. It's hardly their first fight three referred.
You all sounds like ignorant idiots. According to queensbury rules it’s a humans 10 seconds count. Meaning it isn’t timed but when counting, should always be as close to 10 seconds as possible not to cause controversy. It’s not 20 seconds, it’s not 5 seconds, it’s 10 seconds. The only reason they call it “10 count” instead of “10 second count” is because a human can vary in counting and it will not be exactly 10 seconds but should be as close as possible. A simple google search can tell you all this
The count was irrelevant, Fury was fully aware at all times and got up when he needed to according to the count at that time. A shorter count would have made no difference.
Exactly, and every count from referes a Little different because the count to ten must‘nt be 10 seconds. And its wilders Owen fold to interrupt the reffere. Fury Takes his time. He wasnt knocked out for a Second, wilder was standing knocked out for rounds, so it should be very clear who the winner is! 😎
The thing that surprised me the most about that fight, was what great shape a guy Fury’s size was in during the later rounds. Wilder was dead on his feet by round six, but Fury was almost as fresh as when he walked out to the ring.
Wilder is a one trick pony. All he has is power in his fists. No technique, no stamina, no speed, no footwork, no skill whatsoever. He’d been knocking out bums. But once he went up against a world class fighter he got exposed for what he is.
He still benefited from a long count. Even if he was still ready to go. The fact that he got a long count means he was able to recover more than he was supposed to, which allowed him to be less susceptible to a follow up knockout. Wilder could have very well won the fight due to that difference alone.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior that's speculation and Fury as the fighter can't control the count. He got up at 8 like you're supposed to do. It's all well and good to be able to watch it back after but it's pointless
Jesus christ. Does no one know the rules of boxing. Wilder did not retreat to his corner so the ref had to put him back there then went back to the count. Happens all the time in boxing. That's why you see boxers run back to the corner when they knock someone down. Watch what fury did when he knocked wilder down. Run back to the corner. Just another thing wilder hasn't learned.
I heard his team snuck dumbbells into both of his gloves in the first fight. Chainsaws in the second fight. Sledgehammers in the third fight. There's video footage proving it. Blatant cheat!
And Wilder has been spectacularly overrated. Seriously his record pre-Fury would make Eric Butterbean embarassed. The man had the most padded, protected record in modern boxing. Yet some people are talking like he was this great HW. He's not. It's just great matchmaking and a dearth of quality in today's HW scene.
It took fury 11 rounds to “stop” what was essentially a walking zombie. Fury had target practise on him for 11 rounds and still couldn’t properly knock him out
I would also add that George Foreman posted a video about this fight and he says it was the best refereeing he has ever seen in his entire career. The referee followed the rules perfectly.
@Nka Plz bullshit time timekeeper starts as soon as fighter is knocked down. Then ref is suppose to get the tie from them after returning fighters to neutral corner. They gave Fury that win he was down
Wow, kind of surprised here. When me and my friends watched the fight we all pretty much agreed that Fury won every round except round 4. Joe makes it seem like Fury was struggling for the win
Imo Wilder won the first round as well but that's it. Fury dominated the fight, but Rogan is American so is probably biased, and apparently not that knowledgeable about boxing anyway (he's way off on that 10 count thing) so it is what it is.
I often disagree with many things when I hear Joe talk about boxing...I am not tht I to make i am sure he knows his shit there but when I hear Joe talk about boxing I often think no no noooo Joe
@@attractiveglass wilder is not a great boxer whoever said that don’t know boxing. He’s actually terrible. Anyone who knows boxing, has boxed could will tell you how bad he actually is. He’s just born with natural power in his right hand. But wilder hasn’t beaten any top fighters to be considered a great.
Because it makes his point of view look "that much more knowledgeable." Someone who knows what they are talking about can shoot down his point of views. Someone who doesn't just agrees.
Really is one of The Best because, The Sheer size of both, the power of both especially Wilder, Theeen the fact both fighters got of the canvas multiple times to go almost the whole fight is absolutely mind blowing!!! When you put the previous two fights with this one is at the top to me The Best all time trilogy with a 3rd fight even better!!!
I don't see why people are hyping up this fight, calling it one of the "greatest heavy weight fights of all time." I think it was garbage, Wilder won like 2 rounds, 3 maximum if you're generous. I would think a more competitive match would be entertaining instead of a completely one sided beat down.
People forget the count isn't explicitly stated to be in seconds. Its a count to decide if the fighter is still functioning. A 10 count can be 15 seconds in real time.
"When a knockdown occurs, the downed boxer’s opponent shall go to the furthest neutral corner and remain there while the count is being made. The referee may stop counting if the opponent fails to go to the neutral corner, and resume the count where he/she left off when the opponent reports to or returns to the neutral corner."
*ASSOCIATION OF BOXING COMMISSIONS* "When a knockdown occurs, the downed boxer’s opponent shall go to the furthest neutral corner and remain there while the count is being made. The referee may stop counting if the opponent fails to go to the neutral corner, and resume the count where *he/she left off* when the opponent reports to or returns to the neutral corner."
@@h00liganEnt the counter is a reference - for auditing purposes (the ref can go along with it at their discretion). In the 1920s, standing opponents were going to their own corners during counts to get advise and drinks from their trainers. So a rule was put into place where if the standing opponent doesn’t go straight to a neutral corner, the count will be stalled at the referee’s discretion. In other words - If you want your opponent counted out, get to a neutral corner as quickly as you can and stay there. If you count Wilder’s knockdowns, they were also long too.
Thats B.S thats why you have a counter. Also why they changed REFS 2 DAYS before the fight. The ref has been suspended for mis conduct. Why would they switch to this particular ref.
Sorry Joe, you're wrong about the count. This has been analyzed over and over by people who know more about boxing than you, and the count was legit. It's supposed to be a 10-count, made by the ref, at the ref's pace, this is specifically clarified in the rules of boxing. It is NOT specifically supposed to be 10-seconds exactly. Also, if he has to stop counting because the other corner does something wrong (such as not going to a neutral corner, like WIlder did in this case), the count is SUPPOSED TO STOP while the ref addresses it. This is INTENTIONAL. It is meant to be a penalty to the corner for not doing what they were supposed to do. Also, Tyson is CLEARLY watching the ref, waiting for the count to get up. If the ref had counted faster, Tyson would have gotten up faster, this is obvious when you watch the replays.
The ref also told both fighters that they would be given every opportunity to keep fighting in this this type of situation, so it’s all bullsh1t, Fury hammered him without any doubt.
Tyson was alert at the referee's count, he just used some precious time to rest. If he counted faster, he would be at his feet earlier. He is just a smart guy besides a great boxer
"The slow count.." is a nonsense argument. Fury was chilling on the ground looking the ref straight in the eyes and he was getting up according to the ref counting. Cormier is a chump for even making that excuse.
It was a long count. He sent wilder to the wrong corner and then sent him to the correct corner which disrupted the count. Fury won but it was a long count.
The thing is that Fury always waits until the 7th or 8th second to get up, he said he likes to take advantage of the full count so if the ref would have counted faster he would be up faster 🤷♂️
The controversial count is a myth. Fury would have got up quicker if the count was quicker, and then he would have boxed defensively for the rest of the round.
Boxing used to be big in my family. My uncle or my dad would order the fight and invite over all my cousins and the rest of my family. It was so much fun. I remember watching a bunch of the early Tyson fights all the way through to the Holyfield era.
Aye, Mora has some dodgy fights behind him, but he was good in this fight. My only complaint is that he didn't deal with Wilder fannying around the ring during the knockdowns. Mora didn't even notice that Wilder was in the wrong corner for most of the second knockdown.
It’s probably unlike these muppets he actually understands the rules of boxing’s. The count doesn’t start until opponent is in neutral corner, if he level the corner the count stops… use google people
@@ravijaikumar6550 On March 26, 1992, Tyson was sentenced to six years in prison and was released in March 1995. He was clearly generational then he went to prison. Both Lewis&Evander beat him after his prison time. He was never the same (after prison.) 41-1 before prison (should have been 42-0)
Hey Joe awesome podcast with Tyson fury I'm a guy from south Boston who's son was invited to dontay wilder camp as a sparring partner but I have a story to tell about what I think is one of our country greatest tradiges & failures and that's the fatherless home don't know how I missed you @ the BAC believe me I think this is a very important subject thank you Joe God bless🥊🥊
I love tyson fury.. everything about him.. but I thought he had absolutely no chance... I was so astonished at his ability.. that man is special. I thought for sure he was going to end up brain dead after fighting deontay... but the great white hope shocked the world 3 times.. and he knocked out the knockout artist twice!
There is a slight mistake in the rules interpretation. When a person is knocked down, the time keeper starts the count while the ref sends the other fighter to a neutral corner. That part was correct. If the standing fighter strays from the neutral corner (like Wilder did) the ref will pause the count as a punishment/deterrent for wandering from the neutral corner. This also assumes Fury wouldn't have otherwise gotten up. He looked aware and wanted to take his time. The lesson: stay in the neutral corner.
Finally! Somebody that knows the fight game. 100% correct. I've been in boxing for 42 years and was taught at 7 yrs old how to control yourself when you knockdown someone and stay in the neutral corner until ref pulls you out. Ref did exactly what the rule tells him to do. Not even at his discretion, but by the rule. Here is the rule WAC 36-12-140
Joe stop discrediting Fury. Great fight. Great champion. Fury is very aware of what's going on. If the count was quicker He'd have gotten up quicker. He stays down as long as He can every time so He has more time for his head to clear.
@@mrfivegold delay or not the ref has to pick up where the count was at ringside which he didn’t. Instead have him a longer count. Come on now it’s not rocket science. Play a timer while watching the knock down. Screw the ref and there clock. The fact is fury didn’t beat the ten count.
“If u could teach Wilder to box like Julio Cesar Chavez..” Aight Joe. Next we just have teach Giannis to shoot like Steph and we got the greatest Basketball player of all time 👍😂
Not the same. Wilder started boxing at age 19, that's the primary reason he doesn't have great fundamentals. You need a solid am career in this sport to be succesful most of the time
People still talking about a "long count" in the first fight are part of the problem with boxing and fighting in general. They don't want to know who the better fighter is anymore, they just want to say their guy won. It's sad because not only did Fury prove that he was fine after getting up, but he then proved in 2 more fights that he's far superior, yet people still want to talk about it.
Most Wilder fans aren't boxing fans IME though. They only want to see him KO everyone after watching a 2 minute HL reel on YT. It seems like it's their only taste of boxing. They don't seem to understand the rules, history or technical aspects of the sport.
But he’s a Yank so he’s gonna defend his fellow Yank, us British say it how it is if Wilder was the better man I’d admit it but when a man gets knocked down gets up and knocks you out 7 rounds later you can’t say “he should’ve been done in the 4th”😪🤔
@@DannyJ169 I live in alabama and we love the guy but your right he could better himself, low education and environment traps comes out in those interviews thats fo sure
How is he the bronze dosser when he has literally slept every fighter he has ever face ... and even Tyson fury knew better to watch out for that right hand ..... he’s beaten 41 people with better boxing skills with just his right hand that is incredible give that man some respect stop it
*The REF was AMAZING! That counts were NOT bad, and he gave BOTH fighters the same count.* It’s a 10 count, not a 10 second count. Besides, *Tyson Fury said in the ring “I’m fine, I was just taking my time for the count.* Which proves he was fine, and would’ve been up. The referee was NOT biased, unlike the previous ref who continually separated them, and gave Wilder extra time etc.
@@kevink6420 Wilder beat Fury again and the REF did long counts to save fury. The count starts when the opponent hits the canvas "Glove" or "Body".....the timekeeper starts the 10 second count....and the Ref picks up the count...which is in SECONDS....no such thing as a "Ref 10 Count"....its 10 SECOND COUNT. The fight was in NEVADA. NEVADA ATHLETIC COMMISSION [NAC 467.740 Procedure for counting; knockdown; knockout; technical draw. (NRS 467.030)] 1. When an unarmed combatant is knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent to retire to the farthest neutral corner of the ring, by pointing to the corner, and shall immediately begin the count over the unarmed combatant who is down. The referee shall audibly announce the passing of the "seconds", accompanying the count with motions of his or her arm, with the downward motion indicating the end of each "second". 2. The timekeeper, by effective signaling, shall give the referee the correct 1-second interval for the count. The referee’s count is the official count. Once the referee picks up the count from the timekeeper, the timekeeper shall cease counting. No unarmed combatant who is knocked down may be allowed to resume competing until the referee has finished counting to eight. The unarmed combatant may take the count either on the floor or standing. www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html#NAC467Sec745 Here is CLEAR video of the Ref sending wilder to the correct corner then stop counting and sends wilder to the second corner. ruclips.net/video/X-ihI4PAU_I/видео.html. The Ref was cheating...which is why they switched refs in the last second to bring this cheater in to save fury. They put a corrupt ref in the biggest heavyweight fight who NEVER worked a Heavyweight World title fight...and we see the outcome LONG COUNTS. bigfightweekend.com/news/referee-switch-for-tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-saturday-night/ Vegas is STANDING 8...you must be up by 8...fury was still down at 10...which is why the ref did the long count to give fury more time. ruclips.net/video/AJSADToWdpQ/видео.html
A Joe Rogan podcast with Mark Dice would be epic. Joe could ask him all kinds of tough questions and get off the cuff answers. Undoubtedly interesting.
"When he got dropped we all thought it was over" Absolutely not. I'm sorry but at no point did I think Fury was out. Even since he got up in their first bout I came to the understanding that he is literally a fucking T-800 disguised as a man.
Yeah not sure what Joe was smoking there. We've seen Fury literally snap himself back into consciousness and beat the count in the 12th round of the first fight. He wasn't close to being finished by a bit of jelly legs in the 4th.
His equilibrium was off. His mental is there but your equilibrium is off... if he gets up and stumbles the fight is over... he went down the second time off of nothing...
@@Clee-dv9jz watch the second knockdown again, his feat were gone and he was off balance in a weird position, he sees the right coming and falls to avoid it. He was seconds away from being back that fall ensured he was back.
The count - Tyson was looking at the ref waiting it out as long as possible before he gets up. He would have just got up earlier if the count was quicker.
"An error or corruption." OR completely normal and legal. Joe consistently speaks on shit he doesn't know anything about with such confidence it's astonishing.
If the fighter doesn’t stay in the neutral corner the ref can pause the count while he directs him back to the corner. The person at ringside just begins the count but the ref takes it from there and is the only person in charge of the fight. Rogan is wrong here.
American bias is some of, if not the worst bias there is. They're so used to being head and shoulders above competition in the few things they compete at internationally or so far behind, that in the few international sports they compete in that are close they have no idea how to be reasonable and objective about it. They basically think that anything they are competitive in, they should just dominate by proxy. It's beyond cringe.
I think there was a rule where the opponent not being in the neutral corner suspends the count which is to discourage fighters to stand over a downed opponent and let the ref do the count. Slow and fast counts are relative to the different refs all throughout boxing. You get what you get.
Like every decent boxer and what I learnt from being 12 years old, when you drop take the full count, you don't gain extra points for jumping up at 2 and if you need to take a knee take a knee for 8 seconds be up for 9 and ready by 10, fury was ready by the normal amount of time regardless of the longer count
He was more hurt on the first KO then the 2nd one IMO... The first KO he was legit hurt but the 2nd one he was wide eyed looking at the ref the whole time... He was just milking the extra couple seconds on the ground to get breath. Wilder shouldve been in the neutral corner but he wasn't
Absolutely, Adam. Fury has a high fight IQ & used the time to recover. You often see boxers pop straight back up & are all over the place which obviously isn't too clever.
Fury was still very clear eyed when he was down. He's a savy guy & dragging it out for the 8 count. Point is, he would've gotten up just the same. Wilder should've been more composed, got to the neutral corner immediately & stayed there.
Joe sometimes says shit and acts as if his words are totally the truth. Fury wasnt out in this fight even when he went down twice. Also he has never talk sbout Usyk until now but acts as if he always knew him.
Exactly, I felt fury was more out of it on the first KO then the 2nd one... The 2nd one he was deffinetly milking the extra couple seconds on the ground.. He had his knee up and elbow on the canvas which showed he was in control of his body and of course he was Completly wide eyes.. Where as if u watch the first KO, fury looked mushy eyes for about 5 seconds
Joe’s ignorance of the 10 count rule is exasperating. While it’s true that the referee picks up the count from the timekeeper initially, as soon as the ref picks it up and starts counting the timekeeper stops and whatever the referee counts is the “official” count. Anything that distracts the referee during his count effectively stops the count, which will then be continued after he gives whatever instructions that delayed the count in the first place. Also, it’s not a “ten second” count, it’s a count to ten. Some referees count fast, some count slow (both within reason). The referee in the 3rd fight was more on the slow side, but he was consistent in his pace for when both Tyson and Wilder were knocked down (people have synced videos of them to prove it).
You are correct. The rules state "Keep an eye on the standing boxer and make sure he stays in neutral corner. If boxer comes out, STOP THE COUNT, put boxer back into neutral corner and then resume counting."
The ref outranks everyone, including the timekeeper. The ref guides the timekeeper not the other way round. If the standing fighter leaves the neutral corner the ref is to suspend the count and pick up from where he left off. That's the penalty for not going to the neutral corner quickly and staying there. That's how it works in boxing, which definitely isn't the sport people seem to think it is. It's not about who can punch harder, it's not a race to a 10 second knockdown. It's the art of punching to the body and head while dodging punches from your opponent. The ref is supposed to use his discretion to see if a fighter can continue and still defend themselves intelligently. You have up to 12 rounds to beat your opponent to the point they can't continue to box, or to land more clean punches on the legal target than they do on you.
Imagine being Deontay Wilder and knowing you're one of the hardest hitters to have ever lived and KNOWING the other guy will still get up and beat you into the ground.
@@Theworkingtitle7 He tested positive twice.. With the rates of false positives, I doubt that he had it twice. Impressive nonetheless, I was sick for a week, but still noticeably fatigued a couple of months latter.
True! But at the same time Wilder could not even hold his hands up and was so off balance and noodle legged from pure exhaustion it wasn't that hard to land on him.. He was a punching bag at that point lol..
Actually regarding the count that is not the rules. The rules state: “Keep an eye on the standing boxer and make sure he stays in neutral corner. If boxer comes out, stop the count, put boxer back into neutral corner and then resume counting.”
Fury really wasn’t knocked out. He looked pretty much disappointed in himself. If you wanna ruin boxing just make it a strict 10 second count and you could have plenty of fights ending earlier than they should. I believe this fight would’ve actually ended with the first knockdown of Wilder because as far as I know technically that was also more than 10 seconds.
I agree that the elongated count was in Fury's favour, but it did feel like it was only 1 second to me. But I've seen this kind of count happen in other boxing matches too, where counting resumes after telling a fight to hey back to their corner. I cant remember which fights they were in, but I've seen it happen in a few
He was fair and consistent, which is the mark of an excellent referee. And he let Deontay have his shot, until it would have been criminal to let him continue.
👍They should be allowed to fight till the end. Been some good fights that have been prematurely stopped because of "fair counting". These heavy-weight boxers are gladiators, not woke bean counters... Let them box!
The count wasn't slow. They seemed consistent for all of the knockdowns, for both fighters from what I saw. Didn't even realise there was talk about it. Not to say they couldn't improve the rule...
@An aid worker loading water no, not at all. That makes zero sense and detrimental to the sport. Fighting to the death doesn’t do anything for the athletes but instead gives dorks like y’all a hard on.
The counts were definitely slow. He counted to 6 when Fury went down then paused, told Wilder to go to his corner, waited, then started at 6 again. But it was slow for both fighters. He gave Wilder extra time as well
Love your show, Joe. You're always spot-on. But, in this segment, it seemed like you just praised Tyson Fury's opponent without praising Tyson Fury himself. Fury is a legend. Epic fighter.
@@sleeperino3054 That's a new one. Based on what I've seen, Fury fans are the ones who talk about his superiority as a boxer while Deontay fans go on about how he "ruined black history month" et cetera. Don't believe I've seen a Fury fan mention race unless someone else mentioned it.
Joe dreams of fights….. I was a UFC fan starting back at the first ppv. We use to rent them on the old prime star satellite ppv events. I was a huge boxing fan back in the 90’s during DeLahoya and Roy Jones Jr days. This fight was equivalent if not better.
The count thing is silly, because fighters wait for that count to get to 8 or 9. Regardless of the speed a fighter will wait a bit if they're smart, they catch their breath first
Nobody is saying Tyson wouldn’t have got up with a quicker count but he would have had to fight sooner with less of a rest. It just needs to be something standard and concrete that’s all.
@@antoniomcmillionmfptv9202 well that’s down to wilder ain’t it he should have stayed in the neutral corner when a boxer leaves the corner the ref stops the count and then resumes where he was up to
Can we just take some time to credit the ref please? It was one of the great ref performances in one of the greatest boxing fights ever. A fantastic all-round fight.
"The ref asked the boxer to get his hands up and walk towards him, then wiped his gloves off, at least he was consistent with both boxers" Bro is this your first boxing match? Who is this guy?
@@fungames7700 your mistaking talent and greatness, talent us your tool box, greatness is what you build with that tool box, so him being a less talented boxer makes him even greater to win 40+ professional fights in a row...
@@fungames7700 Dude, I'm no fan of Wilder but the fact that that man literally would not quit even while he was at Death's doorstep due to Fury's unrelenting skill definitely makes him one of the greatest. I don't think there's any modern boxer who could have taken those kind of hits and just kept getting back up. It looked like Wilder was literally ready to die in the ring rather than lose to Fury. Skill aside, it takes a certain measure of greatness to exercise heart like that.
Just watch the video on slow count debunked. The guy counts the whole knockdowns accurately and they were all found to be consistent. The entire 10 counts till the fight resumes averaged at 22.5 secs for both the fighters. There were no slow counts. It's just an excuse by Wilder fans.
@@daviddean292 how is he a biased fan? It's not as if he made a fuss about it. Was it a slow count? F**k yeah! Just like VAR is doing wonderful things for soccer (but former FIFA executives were strongly against it), Joe Rogan's suggestion of having a Knockdown clock could actually go a long way to mitigate controversies associated with knockdowns in boxing.
Relax. Boxing is dead because these fights only happen once or twice per 2-3 years. Promoters protect their fighters. Why do you think AJ and Fury never fought 😂. MMA fans think Joshua will fight Wilder next. 🤣😆
lol boxing aint dead, maybe in the usa. Last month in the uk we had AJ vs Usyk in tottenham football staduim, 70 thousand attendance, it was a good fight
"When a boxer is knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent to the farthest neutral corner of the ring and pick up the count from the timekeeper or the official counting for knockdowns. Should the opponent fail to stay in the corner as directed by the referee, the referee shall stop the count and redirect the boxer to go back to the corner and resume the count at the point that it was interrupted. In the event of any knockdown, the timekeepers count will cease when picked up by the referee whose count shall prevail and be relied on by the boxers."
This is from the WBF rules. I found it in 30 seconds. I wish people wouldn't talk so much nonsense when you can easily check it online.
Wilder moved away from the Corner he was sent to which is why the count was stopped.
Your deserve more upvotes. Gave you one. Joe is incorrect concerning that rule then. The referee did nothing wrong and picked up the count where he stopped it and not where the ringside count was. Everything ok.
Cheers That cleared that up!
Thank you for this mate. People don't like educating themselves
@@SirEbube You're welcome. I wrote also a comment about it. Hope this myth dies soon.
I love Joe but the second i heard him crying over the rules that he obviously didnt know i rushed to come post this exact rule. Thank you
I like to think when joe watches a fight at home he still shouts “OH HE’S HURT”
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Lol you can bet the house he does
100 precent
Wilder was giving a super long time to recover in round ten
Ha yeah he has to
"I Knew if I could just open my eyes I was alive and ok.
And if I was alive I could get up, and if I could get up, I could could fight."
-Tyson Fury
A man who can beat his own demons can beat anyone.
Great comment sir! 👍🇬🇧🥊
It was that fight that made me a Tyson Fury fan. He said he did it to show other people going through metal problems, that if he can come back from it, so can you.
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He is the pride of United Kingdom the best outhere
Now that, that's a quote.
Fury has an incredible jaw recovery time. Pure tenacity. Gets up. Dusts off one of the hardest single connections ever. And boxes even more dangerously… Fury is the king
Seeing Wilders kd on Fury in slow motion You can tell how insanely hard that man punches and Fury recovered perfectly. And even after when he got hit in the back of the head he still recovered with no issue.
@@mcskillet7106 yeah idk how it's possible he has such an incredible jaw lol but people use Fury's punch resistance to say that every other HW will destroy Wilder now and it's like... No dude 😂 everyone else at HW has jaws made of clay pottery and have been previously knocked out by weaker fighters lmao Wilder would still be the #1 HW king if Fury had stayed retired
Fury’s chin is underrated especially in the hw division where one punch at any time can knock you out.
In mma he would've got dusted being out for 12 seconds wilder would've finished him
He's 6'9 300 lbs. 🤔
“His whole family is into fighting” is just about the greatest understatement ever for a gypsy bare knuckle fighting dynasty that goes back 300 years.
Is that true? That's really cool
@@bruderschweigen6889 yes the fury family is generations of fighting. But his moms side of the family was also known for fighting. Tyson was literally born to fight
@@bruderschweigen6889 yeah comes from bare knuckle boxing background
@@Jason-sn1wt Damn the women in that family must have a strong chin
@@Jason-sn1wt I was born into the wrong family
The point everyones missing is that Fury follows the refs count before getting up at 8 both times.
Its not like he couldnt get up immediately had he really tried, but most trainers i know insist to make the most of the count
if you're knocked down. If the refs count was bang on Fury would still have got up at 8 both times.
Its a hollow argument.
That's what I've been saying all along, spot on 👍 fury will make the most of the count like any boxer would to recover a little, he's just going off the count, even if it was a quick 10 count he still would of got up before the 10 🤷
Tell you what's not hollow that hair do
Yes!
Exactly
Spot on well observed
It's never been a 10 second count. It's a 10 count. This leaves some leeway to the ref if he feels the fighter has a chance to come back. It's not perfect just like calling balls and strikes in baseball. I also believe that Wilder's infraction of not staying in the neutral corner does indeed pause the count.
Also Fury was clear in his head and took his time when he got extra time. If the ref hadn’t paused he would have gotten up in time anyway. It’s a rookie mistake to stand up too early.
I agree, but the same people will complain that Buster Douglas got a long count against Tyson when he clearly beats the '10 count' not the '10 second count'.
So glad to see someone else talking facts. Been saying it myself....
It's not a belief system there is a man at ringside who's supposed to start the count the second the fighter hits the ground the ref checks with this man after placing the fighter and continues his count from there.
@@kentrellcoleman397 Except that you're wrong and you don't know the rules.
Somebody uploaded a video of both Wilder and Fury getting knocked down on each occasion when the ref reaches his 8 count it's 12 seconds for both fighters. So the ref was very balanced.
Yep, Wilder fans gonna cry like wilder does
Sorry to burst your bubble pal.
Put it's a 10 count not a 10 second count.
Just help you out a little
@Rob Wood Stop talking Nonesense.
Sound childish
Can someone provide that link to what he's referring to?
“If you can teach Deontay to box, he’d be a great boxer”.
-Joe Rogan
true, if only he knew how to jab and weave, instead of being the bronze bomber, the fisty fister
But you can't. He not smart enough to understand what to do to become a great boxer. His ego is too big now and he'll always revert to reliance on power. Fury his the craft in his DNA. The art lives in Fury's soul.
Joe Rogan the Michael Owen of combat sports.
@@Pleaver Nuh Wilder fights how he fights because it plays to his strengths and is what gives him the edge over his opponents, if Wilder tried to box any other way he'd just get outclassed and pieced up like he has against Fury. He started when he was 20 years old and has to box against people who've been boxing since pre puberty
If only he knew how to box, he could become world champ and defeat 40 people or something. :))
Regarding the count - doesn’t matter if it actually takes 10 seconds or 20 seconds, the fighter isn’t going to try and stand up until about 7 or 8 on the count so you can’t blame the fallen fighter
it’s also called a 10 count not a 10 second count so it’s all up to the ref he wants to count fast asf or slow asf to be honest
PRECISELY! Yes. All of this!
Yeah, Rogan is wrong again on this. It's a 10 count, not ten seconds, at the referees discretion. Fury got up at the count he heard. He would've gotten up whenever. These referees do not make mistakes at this level. They know what they are doing. It's hardly their first fight three referred.
@@zhnryyy9344 True but regardless of that,he was up before 10 seconds on both counts.
You all sounds like ignorant idiots. According to queensbury rules it’s a humans 10 seconds count. Meaning it isn’t timed but when counting, should always be as close to 10 seconds as possible not to cause controversy. It’s not 20 seconds, it’s not 5 seconds, it’s 10 seconds. The only reason they call it “10 count” instead of “10 second count” is because a human can vary in counting and it will not be exactly 10 seconds but should be as close as possible. A simple google search can tell you all this
The count was irrelevant, Fury was fully aware at all times and got up when he needed to according to the count at that time. A shorter count would have made no difference.
Exactly, and every count from referes a Little different because the count to ten must‘nt be 10 seconds.
And its wilders Owen fold to interrupt the reffere. Fury Takes his time. He wasnt knocked out for a Second, wilder was standing knocked out for rounds, so it should be very clear who the winner is! 😎
you guys are in denial.. lol
@@Carlossteezyblunts till this day denial or carry me out on a sheild denial glovegate or entertainment suit denial and another 25 excuses 🤔
THERES ONLY ONE TYSON FURY
@@Carlossteezyblunts wilder got BTFO
The thing that surprised me the most about that fight, was what great shape a guy Fury’s size was in during the later rounds. Wilder was dead on his feet by round six, but Fury was almost as fresh as when he walked out to the ring.
dad bod like that, he's my hero
Kinda like Fedor... Didn't necessary look the part but is a goat...
For a big man he does a lot of cardio and road work,which most big men hate doing.
Wilder is a one trick pony. All he has is power in his fists. No technique, no stamina, no speed, no footwork, no skill whatsoever. He’d been knocking out bums. But once he went up against a world class fighter he got exposed for what he is.
fat stores energy. muscle burns it
The count didn’t make a difference. Fury was ready to go and waited til 7 or 8 like usual. He was aware enough to not let him get to 10
He still benefited from a long count.
Even if he was still ready to go. The fact that he got a long count means he was able to recover more than he was supposed to, which allowed him to be less susceptible to a follow up knockout. Wilder could have very well won the fight due to that difference alone.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior that's speculation and Fury as the fighter can't control the count. He got up at 8 like you're supposed to do. It's all well and good to be able to watch it back after but it's pointless
Jesus christ. Does no one know the rules of boxing. Wilder did not retreat to his corner so the ref had to put him back there then went back to the count. Happens all the time in boxing. That's why you see boxers run back to the corner when they knock someone down. Watch what fury did when he knocked wilder down. Run back to the corner. Just another thing wilder hasn't learned.
@@johnhudson5414 my thoughts exactly. The ref was following the rules and is getting flack for it.
@@angrysocialjusticewarrior in boxing the count doesn't start until the opponent goes into a neutral corner
Fury has won all 3 fights without a doubt. Only "conspiracy" is how the judges thought the 1st fight was a draw.
Absolutely
Not
Got wbc wrote all over it not wanting them to lose their cherry picked champion
I heard his team snuck dumbbells into both of his gloves in the first fight. Chainsaws in the second fight. Sledgehammers in the third fight. There's video footage proving it. Blatant cheat!
@@ianscott3480 how is it cherry picked if he was knocking dudes out? Dummies these days
“Wilder didn’t start boxing until he was 19.”
And it shows in his footwork, which is none existent.
Step in the ring with him then
And he’s a future hall of famer multi millionaire and you are a nobody!
He got like 40 kos stfu
Fury started at 10, not to mention the Gypsy upbringing which definitely gave him an advantage. Boxing masterclass
@@osas201 this boy still salty
Fresh back from the moon, immediately jumps on his podcast.. Joe is truly an inspiration
Love that ‘pillow fists’ delivers the most devastating KO to the so-called most devastating KO artist in history.
Fury massively underrated
And Wilder has been spectacularly overrated. Seriously his record pre-Fury would make Eric Butterbean embarassed. The man had the most padded, protected record in modern boxing. Yet some people are talking like he was this great HW. He's not. It's just great matchmaking and a dearth of quality in today's HW scene.
I can’t wait to see him against Usyk, AJ won’t be able to get near Tyson Fury, Dillian Whyte V Fury would be better than the Aj fight IMO
Thats how the legend Bisping became champ
Pretty sure being 40 lbs heavier helps a lot don’t you think
It took fury 11 rounds to “stop” what was essentially a walking zombie. Fury had target practise on him for 11 rounds and still couldn’t properly knock him out
I would also add that George Foreman posted a video about this fight and he says it was the best refereeing he has ever seen in his entire career. The referee followed the rules perfectly.
George Foreman of George Foreman grills... that man is amazing
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@Nka Plz bullshit time timekeeper starts as soon as fighter is knocked down. Then ref is suppose to get the tie from them after returning fighters to neutral corner. They gave Fury that win he was down
@@brandonjohnson4001 u might wanna google the rules before saying bullshit, he's right. Was surprised Joe didn't know this.
@@brandonjohnson4001 found the wilder fanboy.
Joe. It's a 10 count. It's up to the Ref to decide if the fighter is fit to fight.
It's not 10 seconds. It's a 10 Count.
Wow, kind of surprised here. When me and my friends watched the fight we all pretty much agreed that Fury won every round except round 4. Joe makes it seem like Fury was struggling for the win
Sounds like bias lmao
I gave Wilder 1, 4 & 5
Imo Wilder won the first round as well but that's it. Fury dominated the fight, but Rogan is American so is probably biased, and apparently not that knowledgeable about boxing anyway (he's way off on that 10 count thing) so it is what it is.
Joe has been weird the last years anyway. Kinda like he lost his mind
I often disagree with many things when I hear Joe talk about boxing...I am not tht I to make i am sure he knows his shit there but when I hear Joe talk about boxing I often think no no noooo Joe
Joe Rogan: “If you can teach Deontay to box, he’d be a great boxer”.
He said best of all time. He’s already a great boxer, tf
If you could teach me quantum physics, I could be a nuclear scientist.
@@gerrycoogan6544 It you could teach anyone to box they’d beat Deontay Wilder.
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@@attractiveglass wilder is not a great boxer whoever said that don’t know boxing. He’s actually terrible. Anyone who knows boxing, has boxed could will tell you how bad he actually is. He’s just born with natural power in his right hand. But wilder hasn’t beaten any top fighters to be considered a great.
Bruh... why does Joe always discuss the badass fights with people who have no clue and obviously give 0 fucks throughout the whole conversation? smh
This
Because it makes his point of view look "that much more knowledgeable." Someone who knows what they are talking about can shoot down his point of views. Someone who doesn't just agrees.
@@killamaniac57 lol joe would never do that. Did you not see him call out dr. Gupta ?
Facts why tf didn't he have brendon and the regular fight comp guys on
Brendon doesn’t know shit about boxing
I can listen to Joe talk about great fights for a good 48 hours straight.
Really is one of The Best because, The Sheer size of both, the power of both especially Wilder, Theeen the fact both fighters got of the canvas multiple times to go almost the whole fight is absolutely mind blowing!!! When you put the previous two fights with this one is at the top to me The Best all time trilogy with a 3rd fight even better!!!
14 minutes of how hard Wilder can punch....he lost all three fights to a superior boxer.
I don't see why people are hyping up this fight, calling it one of the "greatest heavy weight fights of all time." I think it was garbage, Wilder won like 2 rounds, 3 maximum if you're generous. I would think a more competitive match would be entertaining instead of a completely one sided beat down.
He lost 2 fights, one was a draw
My old boxing coach used to say “the strong beat the weak, but the smart beat the strong”
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A superior boxer that can knock you out. Next to impossible if he didn’t have KO power.
I love Joe explaining how the count works whilst being almost totally wrong.
Me to.
Man has no clue about boxing.
@@RD-dj4mt it's not his job to know tbf
@@robbiecale3327 rocket science
Yeh it was Wilders fault because he got out of his corner and he had to stop the fight and the ref can do what ever he wants
Been watching boxing my whole life , that was one of the most exciting fights I’ve ever seen
That and the fights between Irish Mickey ward and gotti
@@betterd9160 morales and barrera Too
People forget the count isn't explicitly stated to be in seconds. Its a count to decide if the fighter is still functioning. A 10 count can be 15 seconds in real time.
Tyson fury will go down as one of the greatest heavy weights ever.
"When a knockdown occurs, the downed boxer’s opponent shall go to the furthest neutral corner and remain there while the count is being made. The referee may stop counting if the opponent fails to go to the neutral corner, and resume the count where he/she left off when the opponent reports to or returns to the neutral corner."
No shit ?
In a era with no heavyweights
Hell yeah. Glad we are living it. Nice ride btw
@@Gmenpg no heavyweights? Klitschko? Usyk? AJ? You're a joker.
*ASSOCIATION OF BOXING COMMISSIONS*
"When a knockdown occurs, the downed boxer’s opponent shall go to the furthest neutral corner and remain there while the count is being made. The referee may stop counting if the opponent fails to go to the neutral corner, and resume the count where *he/she left off* when the opponent reports to or returns to the neutral corner."
Exactly. This has been the process since the 1920s.
What's the point of the Counter?
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@@h00liganEnt the counter is a reference - for auditing purposes (the ref can go along with it at their discretion). In the 1920s, standing opponents were going to their own corners during counts to get advise and drinks from their trainers. So a rule was put into place where if the standing opponent doesn’t go straight to a neutral corner, the count will be stalled at the referee’s discretion. In other words - If you want your opponent counted out, get to a neutral corner as quickly as you can and stay there. If you count Wilder’s knockdowns, they were also long too.
Thats B.S thats why you have a counter. Also why they changed REFS 2 DAYS before the fight. The ref has been suspended for mis conduct. Why would they switch to this particular ref.
Thing is, whether it was a slow count or a quick count, Fury uses time to his advantage. So even it was quick, fury would have gotten up at about 8
One of the best heavyweight fights ever. Wilder is a true warrior and fury is a beast.
Whats really scary is Fury never took the game seriously imagine how good he could have really been.
@@sirbaconbutties7071what
Sorry Joe, you're wrong about the count. This has been analyzed over and over by people who know more about boxing than you, and the count was legit. It's supposed to be a 10-count, made by the ref, at the ref's pace, this is specifically clarified in the rules of boxing. It is NOT specifically supposed to be 10-seconds exactly. Also, if he has to stop counting because the other corner does something wrong (such as not going to a neutral corner, like WIlder did in this case), the count is SUPPOSED TO STOP while the ref addresses it. This is INTENTIONAL. It is meant to be a penalty to the corner for not doing what they were supposed to do. Also, Tyson is CLEARLY watching the ref, waiting for the count to get up. If the ref had counted faster, Tyson would have gotten up faster, this is obvious when you watch the replays.
The ref also told both fighters that they would be given every opportunity to keep fighting in this this type of situation, so it’s all bullsh1t, Fury hammered him without any doubt.
Absolutely
Can you link me to any source supporting your claim?
Yessir. Boxing rules
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Tyson was alert at the referee's count, he just used some precious time to rest. If he counted faster, he would be at his feet earlier. He is just a smart guy besides a great boxer
I strongly agree with that
100% that's what I thought too
Agreed and I believe he said he waited for the referee's count.
Exactly, he waits for the number 6 or something then gets up.
Thank you- finally someone is talking some sense here 😂
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These guys were made for each other is an understatement
"The slow count.." is a nonsense argument. Fury was chilling on the ground looking the ref straight in the eyes and he was getting up according to the ref counting. Cormier is a chump for even making that excuse.
100%
Couldn’t have said it better
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Alot of black people like to make this argument. They love to find excuses for Wilder.
It was a long count. He sent wilder to the wrong corner and then sent him to the correct corner which disrupted the count. Fury won but it was a long count.
The thing is that Fury always waits until the 7th or 8th second to get up, he said he likes to take advantage of the full count so if the ref would have counted faster he would be up faster 🤷♂️
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It is a veteran move to wait until the end of the count. Newbies like Ryan are usually the ones that pop up. That or they are seriously hurt.
The controversial count is a myth. Fury would have got up quicker if the count was quicker, and then he would have boxed defensively for the rest of the round.
This👌
Boxing used to be big in my family. My uncle or my dad would order the fight and invite over all my cousins and the rest of my family. It was so much fun. I remember watching a bunch of the early Tyson fights all the way through to the Holyfield era.
2021 blessed us with some amazing fights
George Foreman commented on the referee , and he said that he was one of the best referees he's ever seen.
Hmmm who do I trust a random comment or George Foreman multiple time heavyweight champion.....
@‘L‘ if anything I thought the ref was giving favouritism to Wilder. The ref was great
Aye, Mora has some dodgy fights behind him, but he was good in this fight. My only complaint is that he didn't deal with Wilder fannying around the ring during the knockdowns. Mora didn't even notice that Wilder was in the wrong corner for most of the second knockdown.
Could be political
It’s probably unlike these muppets he actually understands the rules of boxing’s. The count doesn’t start until opponent is in neutral corner, if he level the corner the count stops… use google people
Fury has said it himself, "I'm a generational fighter" and he's right. I missed Ali, I saw Iron Mike. Fury is on that level.
Wow. What a smart human you are. How do I contact you for wisdom ? Do you give training m
@@ravijaikumar6550 You should give up watching Boxing, if you actually think Iron Mike was like Deontay Wilder
@@ravijaikumar6550 yeah his generation was the late 80s lol what you’re talking about it the mid 90s and he early 2000s brudda
@@ravijaikumar6550 On March 26, 1992, Tyson was sentenced to six years in prison and was released in March 1995. He was clearly generational then he went to prison. Both Lewis&Evander beat him after his prison time. He was never the same (after prison.) 41-1 before prison (should have been 42-0)
I've seen all of them Fury is among the very best no doubt. Ali's "prime" was taken from him so just how great he could have been we will never know
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I love tyson fury.. everything about him.. but I thought he had absolutely no chance... I was so astonished at his ability.. that man is special. I thought for sure he was going to end up brain dead after fighting deontay... but the great white hope shocked the world 3 times.. and he knocked out the knockout artist twice!
Gotta give it up
There is a slight mistake in the rules interpretation. When a person is knocked down, the time keeper starts the count while the ref sends the other fighter to a neutral corner. That part was correct.
If the standing fighter strays from the neutral corner (like Wilder did) the ref will pause the count as a punishment/deterrent for wandering from the neutral corner.
This also assumes Fury wouldn't have otherwise gotten up. He looked aware and wanted to take his time.
The lesson: stay in the neutral corner.
Thank you for the explanation.
Finally! Somebody that knows the fight game. 100% correct. I've been in boxing for 42 years and was taught at 7 yrs old how to control yourself when you knockdown someone and stay in the neutral corner until ref pulls you out. Ref did exactly what the rule tells him to do. Not even at his discretion, but by the rule. Here is the rule
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@@scottlindsay8173 thank you for the citation. OP: updated
That's why you see fighters running to a neutral corner as soon as they know they hurt the other fighter.
Joe stop discrediting Fury.
Great fight. Great champion. Fury is very aware of what's going on. If the count was quicker He'd have gotten up quicker. He stays down as long as He can every time so He has more time for his head to clear.
Joe is hard for wilder, I felt he totally disrespected fury on the podcast too
stfu dude. All Joe is saying is that it was a long count which it was gd
@@williamcoker2405 everything was fair and above board. Fury won. Deal with it.
Joe has a strange and somewhat questionable obsession with black men so it makes sense that he would defend his golden boy Wilder.
I mean it’s the truth how can you argue with Video evidence
Joe you're dead wrong, Fury is legit, that fight was fair.
your in denial lol
@@Carlossteezyblunts dude that count was delayed because Wilder didn't go to a neutral corner. He was too busy show boating.
@@mrfivegold delay or not the ref has to pick up where the count was at ringside which he didn’t. Instead have him a longer count. Come on now it’s not rocket science. Play a timer while watching the knock down. Screw the ref and there clock. The fact is fury didn’t beat the ten count.
@@Carlossteezyblunts he gave both fighters the same count.
@@mrfivegold denial lol
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That's eloquence right there! :D
“If u could teach Wilder to box like Julio Cesar Chavez..”
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It looks like this has happened. Have you seen Giannis and his new shot in the pre season 😂
Not the same. Wilder started boxing at age 19, that's the primary reason he doesn't have great fundamentals. You need a solid am career in this sport to be succesful most of the time
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@@MB2.0 ye if he started young Im pretty sure he would be unstoppable right now literally. Because he's so athletic and naturaly gifted.
People still talking about a "long count" in the first fight are part of the problem with boxing and fighting in general. They don't want to know who the better fighter is anymore, they just want to say their guy won. It's sad because not only did Fury prove that he was fine after getting up, but he then proved in 2 more fights that he's far superior, yet people still want to talk about it.
Most Wilder fans aren't boxing fans IME though. They only want to see him KO everyone after watching a 2 minute HL reel on YT. It seems like it's their only taste of boxing. They don't seem to understand the rules, history or technical aspects of the sport.
True tbh
Yeah Fury washed him twice, had him bleeding out the ear drum. I like Wilder too but its like bro, just take the L. Fury is special
@@GoldenGod69 three times.
Nah it's a fair argument, just like with Tyson-Douglas. But Tyson is clearly the better fighter and proved it in all three fights.
Such a good fight breakdown by Joe.
Joe, biggest controversy in the first fight was the DRAW while Fury beat the shit out of the BRONZE DOSSER
But he’s a Yank so he’s gonna defend his fellow Yank, us British say it how it is if Wilder was the better man I’d admit it but when a man gets knocked down gets up and knocks you out 7 rounds later you can’t say “he should’ve been done in the 4th”😪🤔
@@DannyJ169 I live in alabama and we love the guy but your right he could better himself, low education and environment traps comes out in those interviews thats fo sure
How is he the bronze dosser when he has literally slept every fighter he has ever face ... and even Tyson fury knew better to watch out for that right hand ..... he’s beaten 41 people with better boxing skills with just his right hand that is incredible give that man some respect stop it
I love Fury and believe he won all three, I wanted to see him break AJ but too bad he's made of glass and couldn't win his last fight.
@@proposition96 I'd say 5 of them had better boxing skills the rest were bums
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Beat me to it, lol! Rocky Marciano's 43 ko's beats Wilder's, too.
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There’s a lot of them… Mike Tyson himself has 44 KOs
*The REF was AMAZING! That counts were NOT bad, and he gave BOTH fighters the same count.* It’s a 10 count, not a 10 second count. Besides, *Tyson Fury said in the ring “I’m fine, I was just taking my time for the count.* Which proves he was fine, and would’ve been up. The referee was NOT biased, unlike the previous ref who continually separated them, and gave Wilder extra time etc.
Yeah the previous ref also deducted a point from Fury for not separating from the clinch or some shit. Fuckin rediculous.
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Yeah what Wilder fanboys don't understand is every boxer takes the full 8 count to recuperate
@@kevink6420 Wilder beat Fury again and the REF did long counts to save fury. The count starts when the opponent hits the canvas "Glove" or "Body".....the timekeeper starts the 10 second count....and the Ref picks up the count...which is in SECONDS....no such thing as a "Ref 10 Count"....its 10 SECOND COUNT. The fight was in NEVADA.
NEVADA ATHLETIC COMMISSION [NAC 467.740 Procedure for counting; knockdown; knockout; technical draw. (NRS 467.030)]
1. When an unarmed combatant is knocked down, the referee shall order the opponent to retire to the farthest neutral corner of the ring, by pointing to the corner, and shall immediately begin the count over the unarmed combatant who is down. The referee shall audibly announce the passing of the "seconds", accompanying the count with motions of his or her arm, with the downward motion indicating the end of each "second".
2. The timekeeper, by effective signaling, shall give the referee the correct 1-second interval for the count. The referee’s count is the official count. Once the referee picks up the count from the timekeeper, the timekeeper shall cease counting. No unarmed combatant who is knocked down may be allowed to resume competing until the referee has finished counting to eight. The unarmed combatant may take the count either on the floor or standing.
www.leg.state.nv.us/NAC/NAC-467.html#NAC467Sec745
Here is CLEAR video of the Ref sending wilder to the correct corner then stop counting and sends wilder to the second corner. ruclips.net/video/X-ihI4PAU_I/видео.html. The Ref was cheating...which is why they switched refs in the last second to bring this cheater in to save fury. They put a corrupt ref in the biggest heavyweight fight who NEVER worked a Heavyweight World title fight...and we see the outcome LONG COUNTS. bigfightweekend.com/news/referee-switch-for-tyson-fury-deontay-wilder-saturday-night/
Vegas is STANDING 8...you must be up by 8...fury was still down at 10...which is why the ref did the long count to give fury more time. ruclips.net/video/AJSADToWdpQ/видео.html
A Joe Rogan podcast with Mark Dice would be epic. Joe could ask him all kinds of tough questions and get off the cuff answers. Undoubtedly interesting.
Watched it like five times... Fury is a boss
"When he got dropped we all thought it was over"
Absolutely not. I'm sorry but at no point did I think Fury was out. Even since he got up in their first bout I came to the understanding that he is literally a fucking T-800 disguised as a man.
Yeah not sure what Joe was smoking there. We've seen Fury literally snap himself back into consciousness and beat the count in the 12th round of the first fight. He wasn't close to being finished by a bit of jelly legs in the 4th.
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His equilibrium was off. His mental is there but your equilibrium is off... if he gets up and stumbles the fight is over... he went down the second time off of nothing...
@@Clee-dv9jz watch the second knockdown again, his feat were gone and he was off balance in a weird position, he sees the right coming and falls to avoid it. He was seconds away from being back that fall ensured he was back.
I thought it might be over
The count - Tyson was looking at the ref waiting it out as long as possible before he gets up. He would have just got up earlier if the count was quicker.
absolutely. fury did what he was meant to
That the dumbest shit I’ve ever heard. He would’ve got up if the count was quicker.
he was up between 7 and 8, and the ref can stop counting if the other stupid idiot doesn't listen to him..
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@@lawrencejohnson743 what's dumb about it
Cormier also said "that was a great jab" about a punch that was aobut a foot away.
that’s the first time i’ve seen Joe treat Redban like a friend.
The Fury doubters, should Tyson give Deontay a best of 7 or first to 15? 3x is enough imo.
They won't fight again unless deontay beats both Joshua and usyk which I never see happening
No, he just shouldn’t have ducked AJ
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"An error or corruption." OR completely normal and legal. Joe consistently speaks on shit he doesn't know anything about with such confidence it's astonishing.
If the fighter doesn’t stay in the neutral corner the ref can pause the count while he directs him back to the corner. The person at ringside just begins the count but the ref takes it from there and is the only person in charge of the fight. Rogan is wrong here.
Joe is a sook. Hates it when Americans get beat.
American bias is some of, if not the worst bias there is. They're so used to being head and shoulders above competition in the few things they compete at internationally or so far behind, that in the few international sports they compete in that are close they have no idea how to be reasonable and objective about it. They basically think that anything they are competitive in, they should just dominate by proxy. It's beyond cringe.
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@Big Dongle 4:40 - 5:05 some people like you just like to hate and that’s ok you’re bored
I think there was a rule where the opponent not being in the neutral corner suspends the count which is to discourage fighters to stand over a downed opponent and let the ref do the count. Slow and fast counts are relative to the different refs all throughout boxing. You get what you get.
Like every decent boxer and what I learnt from being 12 years old, when you drop take the full count, you don't gain extra points for jumping up at 2 and if you need to take a knee take a knee for 8 seconds be up for 9 and ready by 10, fury was ready by the normal amount of time regardless of the longer count
Fury can only respond to the count. So whatever the pace he’s managing himself accordingly
He was more hurt on the first KO then the 2nd one IMO... The first KO he was legit hurt but the 2nd one he was wide eyed looking at the ref the whole time... He was just milking the extra couple seconds on the ground to get breath. Wilder shouldve been in the neutral corner but he wasn't
Exactly
@@MoejiiOsmanTV knockdown not knockout btw
Absolutely, Adam. Fury has a high fight IQ & used the time to recover. You often see boxers pop straight back up & are all over the place which obviously isn't too clever.
@@eddy4688 facts
Fury was still very clear eyed when he was down. He's a savy guy & dragging it out for the 8 count. Point is, he would've gotten up just the same. Wilder should've been more composed, got to the neutral corner immediately & stayed there.
Fury just headlocked him and cheated
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You sound like my girlfriend she doesn’t know fucking about boxing as well
Joe sometimes says shit and acts as if his words are totally the truth. Fury wasnt out in this fight even when he went down twice. Also he has never talk sbout Usyk until now but acts as if he always knew him.
Exactly, I felt fury was more out of it on the first KO then the 2nd one... The 2nd one he was deffinetly milking the extra couple seconds on the ground.. He had his knee up and elbow on the canvas which showed he was in control of his body and of course he was Completly wide eyes.. Where as if u watch the first KO, fury looked mushy eyes for about 5 seconds
@@zenkobe9617 hahaha fury is geneticly superior to wilder
Tyson fury took advantage of that long count, he was just relaxing 😂 I think he would have gotten up regardless even if the count was puckaa
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Joe’s ignorance of the 10 count rule is exasperating. While it’s true that the referee picks up the count from the timekeeper initially, as soon as the ref picks it up and starts counting the timekeeper stops and whatever the referee counts is the “official” count.
Anything that distracts the referee during his count effectively stops the count, which will then be continued after he gives whatever instructions that delayed the count in the first place.
Also, it’s not a “ten second” count, it’s a count to ten. Some referees count fast, some count slow (both within reason). The referee in the 3rd fight was more on the slow side, but he was consistent in his pace for when both Tyson and Wilder were knocked down (people have synced videos of them to prove it).
exasperating is a bit much honey, but ya have jamie google some shit fuck
Well said
It's not a 10 second count. It's a 10 count
You are correct. The rules state "Keep an eye on the standing boxer and make sure he stays in neutral corner. If boxer comes out, STOP THE COUNT, put boxer back into neutral corner and then resume counting."
Yeah well said. Its not a 10 second count! There was nothing wrong with it.
The ref outranks everyone, including the timekeeper. The ref guides the timekeeper not the other way round. If the standing fighter leaves the neutral corner the ref is to suspend the count and pick up from where he left off. That's the penalty for not going to the neutral corner quickly and staying there. That's how it works in boxing, which definitely isn't the sport people seem to think it is. It's not about who can punch harder, it's not a race to a 10 second knockdown. It's the art of punching to the body and head while dodging punches from your opponent. The ref is supposed to use his discretion to see if a fighter can continue and still defend themselves intelligently. You have up to 12 rounds to beat your opponent to the point they can't continue to box, or to land more clean punches on the legal target than they do on you.
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@@WokeupfeelingCrimson That rule makes a lot of sense.
Mike gets it.
Tell that to Ali Fanboy's in the Liston dive part2.
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Joe Rogan just fan boy the hell out this fight! Was awesome to watch!
Was expecting Joe to give Fury a little more credit here, all I heard was a lot of waffle about a long count and worshipping of Wilders punch power.
He def gave both guys credit
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Wilder is shit!! Genuinely everyone gave him a good 10% chance to win here in the UK 🇬🇧
So he basically spoke the truth. 1) Long count 2) Wilder is a devastating puncher
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Fury most masterful boxer ever, rogan wasting time on wilder coz he a yank
Tyson wasn't even at his best and still dominated wilder and the count was legit nothin wrong with it.
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How do u know he wasn't at his best. Your making an stupid assumption. Fury is a king if deception
Joe Rogan doesn't agree. Don't be a bitch now cuz your idol doesn't follow your narrative. =/
Maybe because he got covid and had to miss part of his camp because his baby was in the hospital ?
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A guy made a video debunking the long count, timed it from start of count until fight continued, and every count was the same length within 2 seconds
Joe: *describes being in a small crowd*
Also Joe: “it’s almost like you’re in a small crowd”
Imagine being Deontay Wilder and knowing you're one of the hardest hitters to have ever lived and KNOWING the other guy will still get up and beat you into the ground.
That's like Friday the 13th or Halloween, just when the protagonist thinks they've killed Jason or Micheal, but then they get back up.
He knows it and clearly isn’t taking it very well.
Fucking yes
Ten rounds deep and after being rocked earlier, I can't praise Fury enough for that five shot finish, with four of the five landing.
My favorite was how he jogged away after the knockout. He was fresh! And he had covid twice.
@@Theworkingtitle7 He tested positive twice..
With the rates of false positives, I doubt that he had it twice.
Impressive nonetheless, I was sick for a week, but still noticeably fatigued a couple of months latter.
True! But at the same time Wilder could not even hold his hands up and was so off balance and noodle legged from pure exhaustion it wasn't that hard to land on him.. He was a punching bag at that point lol..
@@beverlypatama8148 that's wilders fault for not being fit for 12 rounds
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I like the person that Tyson Fury is, happy he won that fight.
Does Tony know it's not a coincidence that his name is Tyson? He was literally named after Mike 😂
Actually regarding the count that is not the rules. The rules state: “Keep an eye on the standing boxer and make sure he stays in neutral corner. If boxer comes out, stop the count, put boxer back into neutral corner and then resume counting.”
Yes if you watch boxing long enough
You see it time to time.
Can’t believe Rogan doesn’t know.
@@deecee527 it happened in the first Ruiz vs Joshua fight. Ruiz was so excited when he dropped him he went to the wrong corner.
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Fury really wasn’t knocked out. He looked pretty much disappointed in himself. If you wanna ruin boxing just make it a strict 10 second count and you could have plenty of fights ending earlier than they should. I believe this fight would’ve actually ended with the first knockdown of Wilder because as far as I know technically that was also more than 10 seconds.
Referees have been following an unwritten rule when it comes to Heavyweight title fights for the last 100 years : Let the fighters decide it
I agree that the elongated count was in Fury's favour, but it did feel like it was only 1 second to me. But I've seen this kind of count happen in other boxing matches too, where counting resumes after telling a fight to hey back to their corner. I cant remember which fights they were in, but I've seen it happen in a few
Jeff Mayweather says the count is legitimate, and I'm sure he knows more about boxing than Joe does
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Yea because if Jeff Mayweather says it its the absolute truth
He really does, Joe bullshits so much about boxing
Jeff knows a fuck load more than Rogan for sure
Nothing like the entire clip being about how great the 3x loser was
Fury isn't Joe's type
How great wilder was and how fury got slow counts. Wilder fan obviously
He pretty clearly said “if you could teach him to move like Tyson fury does and develop real boxing skills he would break guys down”
Americans for ya bro they always have to be the center of attention .
@@Awkd usually I'd disagree with comments like this but I can't tbh. While it's not EVERY American, they can be quite attention-seeking on the whole.
Fury’s stamina was incredible, that 11 round right hand to finish it was amazing😮
Joe in the second fight it was wilder's coach who stopped the fight not the referee!!
That was a great Referee.
Both men had a chance to fight to the end. Fury won and there’s no question about it.
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He was fair and consistent, which is the mark of an excellent referee. And he let Deontay have his shot, until it would have been criminal to let him continue.
Exactly people have forgotten about the old fights how long the refs would give fighters to try prove they can carry on fighting
👍They should be allowed to fight till the end. Been some good fights that have been prematurely stopped because of "fair counting". These heavy-weight boxers are gladiators, not woke bean counters... Let them box!
The count wasn't slow. They seemed consistent for all of the knockdowns, for both fighters from what I saw. Didn't even realise there was talk about it.
Not to say they couldn't improve the rule...
THIS fight the count was ok. Other 2 fights? Ehhhhh, debatably. And NO, it’s not seconds I know.
@An aid worker loading water no, not at all. That makes zero sense and detrimental to the sport. Fighting to the death doesn’t do anything for the athletes but instead gives dorks like y’all a hard on.
@An aid worker loading water so you’d rather die in front of your whole family and not get to enjoy the payday??😂
The counts were definitely slow. He counted to 6 when Fury went down then paused, told Wilder to go to his corner, waited, then started at 6 again. But it was slow for both fighters. He gave Wilder extra time as well
So many excuses out of the wilder fans just face it fury is Wilders kryptonite... He beat him all 3 fights IMO. Not even a question at this point
Love your show, Joe. You're always spot-on. But, in this segment, it seemed like you just praised Tyson Fury's opponent without praising Tyson Fury himself. Fury is a legend. Epic fighter.
@Aj You dirty yankees can't get enough of talking about race huh
He literally called Fury a masterful boxer...
@@laurikotivuori1585 neither can the Fury fans 🤷♂️
@@sleeperino3054 That's a new one. Based on what I've seen, Fury fans are the ones who talk about his superiority as a boxer while Deontay fans go on about how he "ruined black history month" et cetera. Don't believe I've seen a Fury fan mention race unless someone else mentioned it.
@@sleeperino3054 -Which would make sense as the yanks are known for their racial division, the Brits to a way lesser extent
Joe dreams of fights….. I was a UFC fan starting back at the first ppv. We use to rent them on the old prime star satellite ppv events. I was a huge boxing fan back in the 90’s during DeLahoya and Roy Jones Jr days. This fight was equivalent if not better.
The count thing is silly, because fighters wait for that count to get to 8 or 9. Regardless of the speed a fighter will wait a bit if they're smart, they catch their breath first
This. Fury was well aware of the count. He's smart and takes the rest to regroup.
Nobody is saying Tyson wouldn’t have got up with a quicker count but he would have had to fight sooner with less of a rest. It just needs to be something standard and concrete that’s all.
@@antoniomcmillionmfptv9202 well that’s down to wilder ain’t it he should have stayed in the neutral corner when a boxer leaves the corner the ref stops the count and then resumes where he was up to
@@darthmortarion1830 knock it off bro he shouldn't have gotten sidetracked from the count period, no excuses.
@@j.r.e-bel5518 so you don’t know the rules of boxing then
Can we just take some time to credit the ref please? It was one of the great ref performances in one of the greatest boxing fights ever. A fantastic all-round fight.
Fury fans better than him after those long ten counts. Longest in history might I add
@@Brooklyn11236 the count was fine, but keep finding excuses buddeh
Unlike Kenny bay less and his horrible reffing in the 2nd fight 🙄
@@Brooklyn11236 Considering you don't know what a 10 count is I would really like to see a source for that claim lmao.
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"The ref asked the boxer to get his hands up and walk towards him, then wiped his gloves off, at least he was consistent with both boxers"
Bro is this your first boxing match? Who is this guy?
Joe always gives respect where its due
“Fury” and “Wilder” are 2 very coincidental last names for 2 of the greatest heavyweights
Fury one of the greatest for sure. Not wilder, a dude jumping around the ring hoping to land a punch. No boxing skills at all is "great" for you? Lol
@@fungames7700 yes stay mad
@@fungames7700 your mistaking talent and greatness, talent us your tool box, greatness is what you build with that tool box, so him being a less talented boxer makes him even greater to win 40+ professional fights in a row...
@@fungames7700 ummmm….. beating 41-42 opponents by KO and only having defeats to 1 man, i would consider that being one of the greats.
@@fungames7700 Dude, I'm no fan of Wilder but the fact that that man literally would not quit even while he was at Death's doorstep due to Fury's unrelenting skill definitely makes him one of the greatest. I don't think there's any modern boxer who could have taken those kind of hits and just kept getting back up. It looked like Wilder was literally ready to die in the ring rather than lose to Fury. Skill aside, it takes a certain measure of greatness to exercise heart like that.
Just watch the video on slow count debunked. The guy counts the whole knockdowns accurately and they were all found to be consistent. The entire 10 counts till the fight resumes averaged at 22.5 secs for both the fighters. There were no slow counts. It's just an excuse by Wilder fans.
They always give the champion a long count. It’s so standard it should be in the book
Wilder got extra time after standing up for the ref to make sure he's okay, PLUS he got more time in between rounds while the doctor checked him.
Yes your right but rogan is a bias fan simple
And he took 2 knees but like David Said Joe will always show his bias
@@daviddean292 how is he a biased fan? It's not as if he made a fuss about it. Was it a slow count? F**k yeah!
Just like VAR is doing wonderful things for soccer (but former FIFA executives were strongly against it), Joe Rogan's suggestion of having a Knockdown clock could actually go a long way to mitigate controversies associated with knockdowns in boxing.
everyone gets extra time for the ref to make sure they're ok
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Tyson vs Wilder 3 brought boxing back to life... The real winner was us fans 🙌
The 3 fights were good
Relax. Boxing is dead because these fights only happen once or twice per 2-3 years. Promoters protect their fighters. Why do you think AJ and Fury never fought 😂. MMA fans think Joshua will fight Wilder next. 🤣😆
lol boxing aint dead, maybe in the usa. Last month in the uk we had AJ vs Usyk in tottenham football staduim, 70 thousand attendance, it was a good fight
@@artiew8718 Haha aye funny how quickly folk forget the many years fight fans were waiting for AJ vs Wilder.
Dillian Whyte is fighting wallin soon, if he wins he be fighting Fury or Fury might wait until the AJ vs Usyk rematch next year