Astonishing.I have been lucky enough to have been introduced to "classical" music more than 65 years ago and I keep learning more every day (born 1943)This pianist has amazing sensitivity,
RUclips has allowed many music lovers the opportunity to finally discover the works of composers who were hitherto forced to the margins of history. I have been especially loving the work of guys like Thalberg and Anotn Reicha. I feel Reicha is especially in need of greater study and wider appreciation. THis work by THalberg is beautiful, classically proportioned with many amazing moments and great turns of phrase - lots of sturm and drang - and that wonderful romantic F minor mood that shines thru in chopin and beethoven.
I could not agree more, the variety and depth of available music is one aspect in which youtube is a real treasure. Just last night i was listening to Ferdinand Ries and Franciszek Lessel, both amazing composers whom i have never heard before. full of sturm und drang as you say. I shall make a note of Reicha for later.
I won't say this concerto is a masterpiece, but it is a very worthy work and doesn't deserve the obscurity to which it has descended. I'd pay to see it performed live, that's for sure.
+polyphoniac listen to his renditions of the Thalberg opera fantasies. My favorite one is based on Rossini's "Semiramide" and its played with a truly magnificent tone and beautiful shadings. :)
I've listened to a lot of Nicolosi's recordings on RUclips, and every one is excellent: technically in control and always musical (not just flashiness). I agree with all the praise he's getting here.
Absolutely. Francesco Nicolosi has undertaken an immense endeavor of bringing beautiful piano works of less known or even unknown composers and performed them so well! He didn't have any guidance like previous famous recordings, so we're hearing his own vision, and it's done incredibly well. Huge respect to Maestro!
The pianist has a beautiful sound? I could've sworn it was the piano that produced the sound. Yes, the pianist controls the music & instrument, but he is not singing, figuratively, the piano is.
When I listen to these pieces of the past which are practically never played by great pianists I wonder why they are almost unknown. They should also be included in repertoires, since they also have their own values. We are a bit fed up with pianists always playing the same piano concertos (Chopin, Schumann, Liszt, Brahms, etc etc ). These other concertos should also be played every now and then for a change.
Because this concerto has parts where it sounds like Chopin's No.1? And concerts with more famous composers' works are not even totally sold out, so organizers can't take more risk to lose more bucks.
Well there are at least 50 pc's which are played regularly but - looking at the list below - about another 500! by 'lesser' composers. It's good that many have been performed and recorded but hardly surprising that some are heard less than others - who could possibly listen to all of them? en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_for_piano_and_orchestra
My son sent me this video and I'm thankful to him for the opportunity to listen this wonderful concert that I have necer heard it before. And the play of the pianist was excellent
This is a quite wonderful concerto and one which deserves to be much better known. (Unlike some neglected music which is neglected for good reasons). It is very reminiscent of Chopin and Mendelssohn; like those composers Thalberg was clearly as youthful prodigy given that this was composed when he was only eighteen.
To listen to Thalberg is to abolish the surge of noises and images of everyday life to open up the space of an elsewhere where contingency and representation give way to the immateriality of the sensible. Once closed the door on the agitation of the world, an underlying silence settles down, a slowness seizes, preludes to a dilation of the perception and the conscience. The expressive power of sound architecture breaks with all forms of transcription of the real to focus on expression of an elusive universe
This concerto displays a wide and varied psychological, emotional and intellectual typography. I found it so delightfully engaging from start to finish. This composer had skills! His virtuosity doubtless added tremendously to the dramatic punch especially of the first movement. I was particularly captivated by the cadenza halfway through the first movement. It was like a plateau and beautiful landing to continue onto the conclusion of a scenic journey. There was an abundance of melody expertly conceived and developed to draw in the listener to make him a happy collaborator and anticipator of what was around each corner and bend. The slow movement was contemplative and soothing; though I was surprised at it’s brevity. The finale was a very fitting run of scintillating and spirited ideas that made me smile for the duration. Very masterful I say and indicative of the mutual influence enjoyed by the composers of that era to inspire all to produce their best efforts. Brava!!! PWG
Some years ago a thought occurred to me and I’ve since shared it with countless people. “Music expresses wordless odyssey’s.” It’s especially suited for contemplation and may even be provocative to expansive consideration to personal discovery. Music being preeminent among the arts, when wielded artfully, has a innate prophetic property as pertaining to precise and profoundly piercing utterance which in many cases imparts life and knowledge to the spirit and consequently the soul, mind, and most pleasurably the intellect. In that God is the creator of every concept it is certainly to our credit and ultimate advantage to take into account without prejudice every gift he has endowed. Otherwise we are in peril of stumbling about in the darkness of being “wise in our own conceits?” God forbid! Sincerely, Paul W. Green
You’re so welcome brother Sawyer! When a very young boy; every time I heard certain classical music pieces, especially Tchaikovsky, my little soul would ring like a bell. What could I do? That is one reason I call it philosophical music. Consequently, it’s become my chief pastime and constant companion. There is an original expression that occurred to me some years ago that I love sharing, particularly with strangers “All kinds of beautiful music and philosophic”. Also, I have been a vocalist since childhood and received excellent training from my late mother; who taught me by example beauty of tone and expression. It is a legacy I “pay forward” at every opportunity. “ Music expresses wordless odyssey’s.” PWG
What a delightful and stirring concerto! I had never heard it before, until today. I shall look for more compositions by Herr Thalberg. Hopefully, .some of them are performed live. Vielen Dank, KuhlauDilfeng2!
Something to consider: Chopin had only just left Poland in 1830, so Thalberg (and most of Europe) had likely never heard of him at the time of writing this concerto. So where do the apparent stylistic similarities between their concertos come from? For the answer to that, please listen to Hummel's piano concerti, particularly the concerto in A minor, op. 85, which influenced not only Chopin but also Mendelssohn and Schumann. Thalberg's piano concerto is even dedicated to Hummel, so the source of the influence is quite easy to trace.
I think it should be quite logical for most people that no great composer ever fell out of the sky, not even the most genius ones, not even the great Bach! They all learned at one point, had their influences and inspirations, none of them came up with something fully disconnected from any music before them or around them! Bach was inspired by Pachelbel, Buxtehude and Vivaldi, Mozart and Beethoven by Haydn and so on. Influences in Chopin are Bach, Mozart, Field, Bellini mainly, and to a lesser extent, Hummel, probably even Czerny. Chopins concerto style, though, sadly not further developed later, reminds me more of an evolved, Chopinesque Mozart, with some quirky new ideas, than Hummel. But Hummel was Mozart's student, so no surprise here. Music is entertainment foremost, composers had to stick to the style that people demanded to hear, that people were willing to pay money for to be played or to buy and play themselves. So composers stuck to certain styles, they had to. The genius ones, however, enriched those styles and developed them further, with new ideas and brilliant, revolutionary changes. There is a reason why Chopin, Liszt, Mendelssohn and Schumann are still known by every person interested in classical music (as a genre) and played by musicians all over the world and Thalberg, Kalkbrenner and their many other, lesser known peers have fallen through the filters of time. They had talent, no doubt, but it wasn't quite as genius as the great ones.
Excellently written and excellently performed. Thalberg, the greatest piano virtuoso (he was also a composer) of those times (and perhaps the greatest pianist ever), and this can be seen in the fees. Liszt and Chopin "constantly stealing" the piano craft from Thalberg. He managed to produce a three-dimensional sound on the piano in the concert hall!
the Piano Concerto is really beautiful in every part of its composition Martin Briddon 8th December 2019 Classical Pianist from Chesterfield Derbyshire
Inspiré par Chopin, concurrent de Liszt,Thalberg brillant pianiste n’a pas réussi à dépasser ses maîtres mais son concerto op 5 s’écoute toujours avec ravissement !
YES, FERDIA, JUST ASTONISHING TO DISCOVER THALBERG, THROUGH THEGENEVA STREET NAMED AFTER THIS WONDERFUL AND UNIQUE MUSICIANS, THAT WE ALL OWE SUCH A LOT ... CHEERS PATRICK
I just discovered Thalberg. Maybe weirdly but, I find that this piece sounds like a "mix" between a Dvorak symphony (the adventure), every Mozart pieces (especially the Requiem, I don't know why...) and a Beethoven piano concerto (the piano at its best between velocity and melancholy)
I really don't understand, why only a couple of composers are performed most of the time in the Concert Halls ? ........ Thalberg, A. Rubinstein, Dussek, Wiklund, F.Danzi and many others should be taken in their repertuar of the talented pianists.
I Think that Is bc "mainstream'" classical composers are better. Not like much more better bot they are trascendentals (Bach , Rameau, Scarlatti baroque ; Mozart , Haydn Beethoven classic; Schubert, Schumann , Chopin, Mendelsohn , Liszt and Brahms midromantic and late romantic Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, Mednter . And modern Bartok, Schoenberg, Debussy , ravel Stravinsky Berg, Prokofiev and some others that are very importants. His works are a lot and to any pianist play all the important "mainstream" works It's a livetime to learn those works and even the biggest pianist dont reach tp play all those works. And then if a average pianist put his priority on thpse works then the others composers put on a 2nd place and thats is why is not performed always in my opinion
Amazing! All wonderful, from allegro to rondo. Thanks for this post! Always knowing the least expected. By the way, where does this charming painting come from? Espetacular! Toda maravilhosa, do allegro ao rondo. Agradeço por esta postagem! Sempre conhecendo o que menos se esperava. A propósito, essa encantadora pintura de onde vem?
The use of the orchestra is superior to chopins concertos and comparabke to mendelssohn in my opinion. the piano part is very beautiful, too. this concerto should be played more often.
That's coz they would often be looking over Thalberg's shoulder while he was busy at his desk composing,and later when he was asleep they would sneak in and make changes here and there throughout the score to parts they didn't like-(so Trump says anyway).
Thalberg is considered to-day as a challenger of Liszt in terms of virtuosity, that is all. His work as a compooser is fuly forhotten. Of course, it is much more conventional than Liszt's, and the role of the orchestra is less important and more conventional - iy is not really a concrto, like many of similar compositions, since there is no "competition" between the piano and the orchestra, as in Mozart, Beethoven's, KIset's, Brahms' conertos, but this score is far from being negligible. It was worth to discover it again.
Love this. What was the intersection of Thalberg's concerto with Chopin's concertos? Wouldn't be surprised if Chopin was 'inspired' by this, but don't know (as I write). The Rondo is particularly 1830s-Paris-salon scrumptious. Delightful.
I doubt it inspired Chopin, but it's very much possible that they were both inspired by the same composers like Kalkbrenner, Hummel, John Field etc. After all those are the composers that pioneered the "style brillante" that Chopin, Thalberg, Liszt, Mendelssohn and so on all practiced during the initial stages of their careers. It was probably one of the most popular styles of piano writing during the early romantic movement. Not a lot of people consider this type of historical context, which is why so many people prematurely categorize style brillante works as being "Chopinesque."
Milton Thanks for your comment and the wide and rich vision you give us of this great coming out romantic period. The problem is that nowadays quite a few of those composers remain present in our memory because of the ignorance and above all the lack of interest of the decision-makers in classical music standard, concert-halls directors and CD record companies but also radio channels diffusion. I am French and when I hear the director of the Paris Operas unable to make difference between Catalani' s " La mamma morta" and Bellini' s " Casta diva" on a TV show I think there is a great challenge to cope with.!
If I was a concert pianist I'd play it. But it's like the obscure Donizetti operas I love. Who can really sing them the way they deserve?? At least there are pianists who can play this, so there's no excuse for the Thalberg concerto's eclipse.......
Sigismund Thalberg est un pianiste et compositeur autrichien né à Genève le 8 janvier 1812 et mort à Naples le 27 avril 1871. Jeunesse et formation Portrait de Thalberg enfant. Sigismund Thalberg est né le 8 janvier 1812 à Genève (ville française, à l'époque) et est enregistré à l’état civil comme étant le fils de Joseph Thalberg et Fortune Stein, tous deux originaires de Frankfurt-am-Main. Mais il a été établi qu’en fait Sigismund était le fruit d’une union illégitime et qu’en conséquence on lui avait attribué une fausse filiation et de faux noms. En effet, Sigismund Thalberg est en réalité le fils de la baronne Wetzlar et du prince Franz Joseph von Dietrichstein (ou son frère Moritz von Dietrichstein), qui était déjà marié. Cela dit, rien n’est sûr, et l’intrigue de la naissance de Thalberg reste entière, malgré des indices troublants. On connaît peu de choses sur la jeunesse de Thalberg. Mais la tradition veut qu'il ait rejoint la capitale autrichienne à l’âge de dix ans, accompagné de sa mère. Dès lors, il aurait pris des cours de piano avec Czerny et Hummel, mais à nouveau rien n’est sûr, ce d’autant plus que Czerny, dans ses Mémoires, ne fait pas état d’une quelconque rencontre avec Thalberg. En revanche, il aurait étudié avec le bassoniste August Mittag, premier basson du Hofoper de Vienne. Cette rencontre aurait été primordiale dans la vie de Thalberg : en effet, selon plusieurs sources, Sigismund, en arrivant à Vienne, se serait lié d’amitié avec le duc de Reichstadt, fils de Napoléon et de Marie-Louise d'Autriche, mieux connu sous le surnom de « l’Aiglon ». Ce dernier lui aurait tant relaté les hauts faits militaires de son père que Thalberg aurait été prêt d’embrasser une carrière militaire. L’on doit donc à Mittag la primeur d’avoir découvert le talent de Sigismund pour la musique et de l’avoir dirigé dans cette voie. Thalberg en 1826 À partir de l’année 1826, la biographie de Thalberg devient plus claire et les faits plus sûrs. Cette même année, il prend des leçons avec le pianiste Ignaz Moscheles, l’un des grands virtuoses de l’époque, et se produit pour la première fois en public, le 17 mai. En 1827, il joue le concerto en si mineur de Hummel. Dès lors, sa carrière est lancée et il joue régulièrement en public à Vienne. Son répertoire est surtout classique mais déborde sur les débuts du romantisme, avec les Concerti de Beethoven et les œuvres de Hummel. L’année suivante, en 1828, Thalberg publie sa première œuvre ; il s’agit de la Fantaisie sur des thèmes d’Euryanthe de Weber.
very nice........always the same theme for me.........why always the same concerts in live............or the same dvd, cd, etc.etc.etc. and always around the same composers!!!!!!! why this not????
It´s a shame but musicians need to make a living. In order to do that, they need to get their names out there and more people come to listen when something well-known is played. Nobody can really be blamed for that, escpecially not the listeners, not everybody is that passionate about discovering new music and that´s okay. To call them stupid is really unfair. It´s just a very unfortunate situation.
@@Frankness9 on the other hand, 100,000 people have viewed this particular piece which is no small number in the classical music world. If one of these pieces were mixed into a program on a live concert of more known music (or similarly on classical music stations) people would listen and like it. What is needed is some good marketing angle to introduce such "lost" works - perhaps as a series of Bonus Rediscovered Treasures..Raiders of the Lost Art....or some such thing. Maybe people who attend the concert in person can download a free track of the new/old music as part of the ticket price. Then again, the classical music world is not exactly known for embracing innovation or straying from well worn tracks..
Perhaps the ability to play a piano was compared with Liszt without a „ winner“, but, as this concertodemonstrates, Liszt was the more consummate artist that could compose music as well.
No matter how structurally engrained into the sonata form of the finale the f-minor first theme is, the third and final return to the minor is always startling and disconcerting. What was Thalberg trying to prove by it?
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Excellent concerto, it deserves to be more known and played all around!
Astonishing.I have been lucky enough to have been introduced to "classical" music more than 65 years ago and I keep learning more every day (born 1943)This pianist has amazing sensitivity,
Век живи-век учись, как гласит русская пословица! Здоровья и долголетия!
RUclips has allowed many music lovers the opportunity to finally discover the works of composers who were hitherto forced to the margins of history. I have been especially loving the work of guys like Thalberg and Anotn Reicha. I feel Reicha is especially in need of greater study and wider appreciation. THis work by THalberg is beautiful, classically proportioned with many amazing moments and great turns of phrase - lots of sturm and drang - and that wonderful romantic F minor mood that shines thru in chopin and beethoven.
I could not agree more, the variety and depth of available music is one aspect in which youtube is a real treasure. Just last night i was listening to Ferdinand Ries and Franciszek Lessel, both amazing composers whom i have never heard before. full of sturm und drang as you say. I shall make a note of Reicha for later.
@@rookhoatzin Keep going with Ferdinand Ries: you won't be disappointed.
i live for the moments when the piano takes over from the Orchestra
:-)
NICHOLAS NDEGE gosh me too!!
yeah
Bellissimo!!!! Le dita volano sulla tastiera come una farfalla. Musica che infonde benessere e tanta tanta bellezza. Grazie per la condivisione.
No matter how often I listen to this concerto, it's magnificent !
I won't say this concerto is a masterpiece, but it is a very worthy work and doesn't deserve the obscurity to which it has descended. I'd pay to see it performed live, that's for sure.
No you wouldn’t…
@@Dan474834 How are you so sure?
@@no-rq7fp Because it’s crap
@@Dan474834 lmao did you just like your own comment?
I would say it *is* a master piece.
This pianist has an uncommonly beautiful sound and deserves to be better known.
polyphoniac I agree 100% with you!!!!!
+polyphoniac listen to his renditions of the Thalberg opera fantasies. My favorite one is based on Rossini's "Semiramide" and its played with a truly magnificent tone and beautiful shadings. :)
I've listened to a lot of Nicolosi's recordings on RUclips, and every one is excellent: technically in control and always musical (not just flashiness). I agree with all the praise he's getting here.
Absolutely. Francesco Nicolosi has undertaken an immense endeavor of bringing beautiful piano works of less known or even unknown composers and performed them so well! He didn't have any guidance like previous famous recordings, so we're hearing his own vision, and it's done incredibly well. Huge respect to Maestro!
The pianist has a beautiful sound? I could've sworn it was the piano that produced the sound. Yes, the pianist controls the music & instrument, but he is not singing, figuratively, the piano is.
When I listen to these pieces of the past which are practically never played by great pianists I wonder why they are almost unknown. They should also be included in repertoires, since they also have their own values. We are a bit fed up with pianists always playing the same piano concertos (Chopin, Schumann, Liszt, Brahms, etc etc ). These other concertos should also be played every now and then for a change.
Correct.
absolutely!!!!!!!!!!
Because this concerto has parts where it sounds like Chopin's No.1? And concerts with more famous composers' works are not even totally sold out, so organizers can't take more risk to lose more bucks.
Well there are at least 50 pc's which are played regularly but - looking at the list below - about another 500! by 'lesser' composers. It's good that many have been performed and recorded but hardly surprising that some are heard less than others - who could possibly listen to all of them?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_compositions_for_piano_and_orchestra
@@AnhPHAM-pw4uh it's possible that the concert halls are not being sold out because the audience are tired of the repetition.
Superb stuff and I just love the painting in the video which is titled "Winter in Switzerland" by Jasper Francis Cropsey, 1861.
4:34-5:21 So playful, I love it.
This is the kind of music that makes me feel otherworldly.
Thanks for opening my eyes to this colourful, imaginative and totally engaging composer.
My son sent me this video and I'm thankful to him for the opportunity to listen this wonderful concert that I have necer heard it before. And the play of the pianist was excellent
This is a beautiful piano concerto.
Not human! I fell in love with this Thalberg.
what a beautiful magical era !
Magnifico concierto, gran destreza del pianista
This is a quite wonderful concerto and one which deserves to be much better known. (Unlike some neglected music which is neglected for good reasons). It is very reminiscent of Chopin and Mendelssohn; like those composers Thalberg was clearly as youthful prodigy given that this was composed when he was only eighteen.
A marvelous concerto and brilliant performance. Thalberg wrote this when he was 18 ?? Wow!
Very good concerto overshadowed by other works to often performed. Quite Chopinesque still delightfully played giving us a glimpse at Thalbergs genius
To listen to Thalberg is to abolish the surge of noises and images of everyday life to open up the space of an elsewhere where contingency and representation give way to the immateriality of the sensible. Once closed the door on the agitation of the world, an underlying silence settles down, a slowness seizes, preludes to a dilation of the perception and the conscience. The expressive power of sound architecture breaks with all forms of transcription of the real to focus on expression of an elusive universe
This concerto displays a wide and varied psychological, emotional and intellectual typography. I found it so delightfully engaging from start to finish. This composer had skills! His virtuosity doubtless added tremendously to the dramatic punch especially of the first movement. I was particularly captivated by the cadenza halfway through the first movement. It was like a plateau and beautiful landing to continue onto the conclusion of a scenic journey. There was an abundance of melody expertly conceived and developed to draw in the listener to make him a happy collaborator and anticipator of what was around each corner and bend. The slow movement was contemplative and soothing; though I was surprised at it’s brevity. The finale was a very fitting run of scintillating and spirited ideas that made me smile for the duration. Very masterful I say and indicative of the mutual influence enjoyed by the composers of that era to inspire all to produce their best efforts. Brava!!! PWG
Some years ago a thought occurred to me and I’ve since shared it with countless people. “Music expresses wordless odyssey’s.” It’s especially suited for contemplation and may even be provocative to expansive consideration to personal discovery. Music being preeminent among the arts, when wielded artfully, has a innate prophetic property as pertaining to precise and profoundly piercing utterance which in many cases imparts life and knowledge to the spirit and consequently the soul, mind, and most pleasurably the intellect. In that God is the creator of every concept it is certainly to our credit and ultimate advantage to take into account without prejudice every gift he has endowed. Otherwise we are in peril of stumbling about in the darkness of being “wise in our own conceits?” God forbid! Sincerely, Paul W. Green
@@paulgreen9792 So beautifully put, Paul! Thank you for sharing your wonderful insight!
You’re so welcome brother Sawyer! When a very young boy; every time I heard certain classical music pieces, especially Tchaikovsky, my little soul would ring like a bell. What could I do? That is one reason I call it philosophical music. Consequently, it’s become my chief pastime and constant companion. There is an original expression that occurred to me some years ago that I love sharing, particularly with strangers “All kinds of beautiful music and philosophic”. Also, I have been a vocalist since childhood and received excellent training from my late mother; who taught me by example beauty of tone and expression. It is a legacy I “pay forward” at every opportunity. “ Music expresses wordless odyssey’s.” PWG
Absolutely wonderful. Thank you.
Et dire qu'il y a un mois je ne connaissais pas ce compositeur ! maintenant je l'écoute en boucle , merci !
Wonderful. Thanks for posting this beautiful work.
composed when he was 18 :D
@DrRock Rachmaninoff was similar
@@temporality_yeah
What a delightful and stirring concerto! I had never heard it before, until today. I shall look for more compositions by Herr Thalberg. Hopefully, .some of them are performed live. Vielen Dank, KuhlauDilfeng2!
Excellentissime. Merveilleux. Rentre dans mon top 10. Merci pour ce partage.
What wonderful music, many thanks for uploading .
Something to consider: Chopin had only just left Poland in 1830, so Thalberg (and most of Europe) had likely never heard of him at the time of writing this concerto. So where do the apparent stylistic similarities between their concertos come from? For the answer to that, please listen to Hummel's piano concerti, particularly the concerto in A minor, op. 85, which influenced not only Chopin but also Mendelssohn and Schumann. Thalberg's piano concerto is even dedicated to Hummel, so the source of the influence is quite easy to trace.
I think it should be quite logical for most people that no great composer ever fell out of the sky, not even the most genius ones, not even the great Bach! They all learned at one point, had their influences and inspirations, none of them came up with something fully disconnected from any music before them or around them! Bach was inspired by Pachelbel, Buxtehude and Vivaldi, Mozart and Beethoven by Haydn and so on.
Influences in Chopin are Bach, Mozart, Field, Bellini mainly, and to a lesser extent, Hummel, probably even Czerny. Chopins concerto style, though, sadly not further developed later, reminds me more of an evolved, Chopinesque Mozart, with some quirky new ideas, than Hummel. But Hummel was Mozart's student, so no surprise here.
Music is entertainment foremost, composers had to stick to the style that people demanded to hear, that people were willing to pay money for to be played or to buy and play themselves. So composers stuck to certain styles, they had to. The genius ones, however, enriched those styles and developed them further, with new ideas and brilliant, revolutionary changes. There is a reason why Chopin, Liszt, Mendelssohn and Schumann are still known by every person interested in classical music (as a genre) and played by musicians all over the world and Thalberg, Kalkbrenner and their many other, lesser known peers have fallen through the filters of time. They had talent, no doubt, but it wasn't quite as genius as the great ones.
0:00 first movement
13:43 second movement
18:33 third movement
Excellently written and excellently performed. Thalberg, the greatest piano virtuoso (he was also a composer) of those times (and perhaps the greatest pianist ever), and this can be seen in the fees. Liszt and Chopin "constantly stealing" the piano craft from Thalberg. He managed to produce a three-dimensional sound on the piano in the concert hall!
Very amusing comment! :D:D:D
I believe the third movement begins at 18:32, and thanks for all of the great music!
sounds like a human who feels not welcome to this world, but nevertheless he has a secret friend, who helps him going on
Beautiful! Thanks for sharing!
Concerto inspiradíssimo é maravilhoso! Thalberg externou todo o seu virtuosismo com técnica e até moderação!
KuhlauDilfeng, Thanks for this beautiful concert.
the Piano Concerto is really beautiful in every part of its composition
Martin Briddon 8th December 2019 Classical Pianist from Chesterfield Derbyshire
Inspiré par Chopin, concurrent de Liszt,Thalberg brillant pianiste n’a pas réussi à dépasser ses maîtres mais son concerto op 5 s’écoute toujours avec ravissement !
Gracias por este fantástico concierto. Es espectacular..¡¡¡
concert pianists should dare more in their rconcerts' programs and play also this forgotten repertoire
From the first sounds ❤
it deserves a video
Fantastic and great work.
YES, FERDIA, JUST ASTONISHING TO DISCOVER THALBERG, THROUGH THEGENEVA STREET NAMED AFTER THIS WONDERFUL AND UNIQUE MUSICIANS, THAT WE ALL OWE SUCH A LOT ...
CHEERS
PATRICK
Awesome! Beautiful music.
Brilliant 3rd movement, another great upload Kuhlau, bless you.
I just discovered Thalberg. Maybe weirdly but, I find that this piece sounds like a "mix" between a Dvorak symphony (the adventure), every Mozart pieces (especially the Requiem, I don't know why...) and a Beethoven piano concerto (the piano at its best between velocity and melancholy)
... this is fantastic. Thank you!
Pure merveille 🎶💓🎶✨
I really enjoyed the piano. Very good orchestral piece. Thank you for this lovely work.
Brilliant!
This is so underrated and cool and awesome and cool and everything else. Why is it obscure?
Marvelous!
I really don't understand, why only a couple of composers are performed most of the time in the Concert Halls ? ........ Thalberg, A. Rubinstein, Dussek, Wiklund, F.Danzi and many others should be taken in their repertuar of the talented pianists.
Thalberg is still quite popular though.
I Think that Is bc "mainstream'" classical composers are better. Not like much more better bot they are trascendentals (Bach , Rameau, Scarlatti baroque ; Mozart , Haydn Beethoven classic; Schubert, Schumann , Chopin, Mendelsohn , Liszt and Brahms midromantic and late romantic Rachmaninoff, Scriabin, Mednter . And modern Bartok, Schoenberg, Debussy , ravel Stravinsky Berg, Prokofiev and some others that are very importants. His works are a lot and to any pianist play all the important "mainstream" works It's a livetime to learn those works and even the biggest pianist dont reach tp play all those works. And then if a average pianist put his priority on thpse works then the others composers put on a 2nd place and thats is why is not performed always in my opinion
Wow, the first bar is like exactly the c- minor Chopin prelude. :)
Nicolosi has an outstanding performance here on the piano. This is a very weird painting. What is the meaning of life in the mountains like that?
Amazing! All wonderful, from allegro to rondo. Thanks for this post! Always knowing the least expected. By the way, where does this charming painting come from?
Espetacular! Toda maravilhosa, do allegro ao rondo. Agradeço por esta postagem! Sempre conhecendo o que menos se esperava. A propósito, essa encantadora pintura de onde vem?
The use of the orchestra is superior to chopins concertos and comparabke to mendelssohn in my opinion. the piano part is very beautiful, too. this concerto should be played more often.
excellent comcerto de Sigismond thalbert a ecouté sur un voilier tout t'en vogant sur les vagues
The rondo is amazing 18:32
Danke schon
superbe peinture!
The is what magic sounds like.
Very enjoyable, I can hear Hummel as well as Chopin in this work
That's coz they would often be looking over Thalberg's shoulder while he was busy at his desk composing,and later when he was asleep they would sneak in and make changes here and there throughout the score to parts they didn't like-(so Trump says anyway).
@@darrylschultz9311 That’s a very interesting theory indeed,
@@darrylschultz9311lol very interesting
Very Chopin-esque. ❤️
It was very good!
Thalberg is considered to-day as a challenger of Liszt in terms of virtuosity, that is all. His work as a compooser is fuly forhotten. Of course, it is much more conventional than Liszt's, and the role of the orchestra is less important and more conventional - iy is not really a concrto, like many of similar compositions, since there is no "competition" between the piano and the orchestra, as in Mozart, Beethoven's, KIset's, Brahms' conertos, but this score is far from being negligible. It was worth to discover it again.
wish he composed more concertos
like grieg
Un vrai plaisir.
I live in a Villiage in germany Called Thalberg
Sicuramente più bello dei due concerti per pianoforte di Chopin e di quelle di palle di concerti per piano di Liszt
Mov.I: Allegro moderato 0:00
Mov.II: Adagio 13:43
Mov.III: Rondo: Allegro 18:33
You can easily hear the influence of Chopin here and there. It is no surprise as Thalberg was a fan of Chopin among others.
Alkan`s concerto a-moll was premiered a year after
Love this. What was the intersection of Thalberg's concerto with Chopin's concertos?
Wouldn't be surprised if Chopin was 'inspired' by this, but don't know (as I write).
The Rondo is particularly 1830s-Paris-salon scrumptious. Delightful.
Really? interesting. Thanks. I'd like to read that letter.
Also a fan of the Burgmüller concerto btw!
I doubt it inspired Chopin, but it's very much possible that they were both inspired by the same composers like Kalkbrenner, Hummel, John Field etc. After all those are the composers that pioneered the "style brillante" that Chopin, Thalberg, Liszt, Mendelssohn and so on all practiced during the initial stages of their careers. It was probably one of the most popular styles of piano writing during the early romantic movement. Not a lot of people consider this type of historical context, which is why so many people prematurely categorize style brillante works as being "Chopinesque."
Milton Thanks for your comment and the wide and rich vision you give us of this great coming out romantic period. The problem is that nowadays quite a few of those composers remain present in our memory because of the ignorance and above all the lack of interest of the decision-makers in classical music standard, concert-halls directors and CD record companies but also radio channels diffusion. I am French and when I hear the director of the Paris Operas unable to make difference between Catalani' s " La mamma morta" and Bellini' s " Casta diva" on a TV show I think there is a great challenge to cope with.!
If I was a concert pianist I'd play it. But it's like the obscure Donizetti operas I love.
Who can really sing them the way they deserve?? At least there are pianists who can play this,
so there's no excuse for the Thalberg concerto's eclipse.......
Awesome, I had only heard his Moses Fantasy with the "three handed" technique.
GORGEOUS!!
Beautiful indeed!
👏🏻
Das erinnert sehr an Carl Maria von Weber
Does anybody know the name of this wonderfully picture ?
Sigismund Thalberg est un pianiste et compositeur autrichien né à Genève le 8 janvier 1812 et mort à Naples le 27 avril 1871.
Jeunesse et formation
Portrait de Thalberg enfant.
Sigismund Thalberg est né le 8 janvier 1812 à Genève (ville française, à l'époque) et est enregistré à l’état civil comme étant le fils de Joseph Thalberg et Fortune Stein, tous deux originaires de Frankfurt-am-Main. Mais il a été établi qu’en fait Sigismund était le fruit d’une union illégitime et qu’en conséquence on lui avait attribué une fausse filiation et de faux noms. En effet, Sigismund Thalberg est en réalité le fils de la baronne Wetzlar et du prince Franz Joseph von Dietrichstein (ou son frère Moritz von Dietrichstein), qui était déjà marié. Cela dit, rien n’est sûr, et l’intrigue de la naissance de Thalberg reste entière, malgré des indices troublants.
On connaît peu de choses sur la jeunesse de Thalberg. Mais la tradition veut qu'il ait rejoint la capitale autrichienne à l’âge de dix ans, accompagné de sa mère. Dès lors, il aurait pris des cours de piano avec Czerny et Hummel, mais à nouveau rien n’est sûr, ce d’autant plus que Czerny, dans ses Mémoires, ne fait pas état d’une quelconque rencontre avec Thalberg. En revanche, il aurait étudié avec le bassoniste August Mittag, premier basson du Hofoper de Vienne. Cette rencontre aurait été primordiale dans la vie de Thalberg : en effet, selon plusieurs sources, Sigismund, en arrivant à Vienne, se serait lié d’amitié avec le duc de Reichstadt, fils de Napoléon et de Marie-Louise d'Autriche, mieux connu sous le surnom de « l’Aiglon ». Ce dernier lui aurait tant relaté les hauts faits militaires de son père que Thalberg aurait été prêt d’embrasser une carrière militaire. L’on doit donc à Mittag la primeur d’avoir découvert le talent de Sigismund pour la musique et de l’avoir dirigé dans cette voie.
Thalberg en 1826
À partir de l’année 1826, la biographie de Thalberg devient plus claire et les faits plus sûrs. Cette même année, il prend des leçons avec le pianiste Ignaz Moscheles, l’un des grands virtuoses de l’époque, et se produit pour la première fois en public, le 17 mai. En 1827, il joue le concerto en si mineur de Hummel. Dès lors, sa carrière est lancée et il joue régulièrement en public à Vienne. Son répertoire est surtout classique mais déborde sur les débuts du romantisme, avec les Concerti de Beethoven et les œuvres de Hummel.
L’année suivante, en 1828, Thalberg publie sa première œuvre ; il s’agit de la Fantaisie sur des thèmes d’Euryanthe de Weber.
Does anyone know the name or author of the painting?
Uuuuuu that's goooooood
Thalberg ' s werks are very good and romantic. But they hasn't pass the tests of time.
Interesting,what artists of our century would be classic
bello
very nice........always the same theme for me.........why always the same concerts in live............or the same dvd, cd, etc.etc.etc. and always around the same composers!!!!!!! why this not????
cuz people want to listen what they know....sad
Because humans are stupids!!!!! and editors are bussines mans without musical taste.....
It´s a shame but musicians need to make a living. In order to do that, they need to get their names out there and more people come to listen when something well-known is played. Nobody can really be blamed for that, escpecially not the listeners, not everybody is that passionate about discovering new music and that´s okay. To call them stupid is really unfair. It´s just a very unfortunate situation.
@@Frankness9 on the other hand, 100,000 people have viewed this particular piece which is no small number in the classical music world. If one of these pieces were mixed into a program on a live concert of more known music (or similarly on classical music stations) people would listen and like it. What is needed is some good marketing angle to introduce such "lost" works - perhaps as a series of Bonus Rediscovered Treasures..Raiders of the Lost Art....or some such thing. Maybe people who attend the concert in person can download a free track of the new/old music as part of the ticket price. Then again, the classical music world is not exactly known for embracing innovation or straying from well worn tracks..
Perhaps the ability to play a piano was compared with Liszt without a „ winner“, but, as this concertodemonstrates, Liszt was the more consummate artist that could compose music as well.
Composed after Chopins F minor concerto. I can hear many passages borrowed from Chopin
@DrRock I have the score of John Fields Nocturnes. Not bad but absolutely not genius, not anywhere close to Chopin's
Dios mío!
Who painted the oil painting?
Me at 18 y.o.: Umh Idk what to do in my life. It's so hard😭
Thalberg at 18 y.o:
17:57 Liszt's Ricordanza ?
Woah...yes.
Indeed
This some good shit
No matter how structurally engrained into the sonata form of the finale the f-minor first theme is, the third and final return to the minor is always startling and disconcerting. What was Thalberg trying to prove by it?
Sounds like Chopin! but, Pretty! Still!
one of the most important composers of the 19th C & moreso than Liszt who was a vulgarian
Here before dylonely
Yes, please, whose painting is this :)??
Winter in Switzerland
Jasper Francis Cropsey - 1861
+ztothg Cross in the mountains at dusk or dawn, and a strange gradient sky... must have had Caspar David Friedrich in mind when he painted this.
What is the name if painting?
Winter in switzerland
er war erst 18.