The Twitch Streamer Who Faked His Disability

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  • Опубликовано: 20 апр 2022
  • When ZilianOP began his Twitch journey back in mid 2012, he would gain a reputation for his personality, gaming ability, and his physical disability as a wheelchair Twitch streamer. This would lead to donations, subscriptions and even a fundraiser to buy Zilian a new Wheelchair. However, on the 5th of April 2013, ZilianOP would end his career in seconds, after standing up from his wheelchair on stream. This video will cover the story of Twitch streamer, ZilianOP.
    This is, The Streamer Who Faked A Disability For Donations
    Thank you guys for watching, like and sub if you enjoyed, SunnyV2 XO ❤
    This video was heavily inspired by WavyWebSurf's series on Zilian from back in 2020 titled "ZilianOP: The Twitch Streamer Caught Faking A Disability"
    and "The Return of ZilianOP: Twitch's Biggest "Fraud" Comes Clean". You can watch his videos here - • ZilianOP: The Twitch S... & • The Return of ZilianOP...
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Комментарии • 6 тыс.

  • @justamicrowave5297
    @justamicrowave5297 2 года назад +14483

    The fact that the person who hacked his account was a friend is probably the greatest plot twist I have ever seen.

    • @shadowfox2084
      @shadowfox2084 2 года назад +609

      It's probably pretty common. It's much easier for someone who knows you to gain access to your account than some random person.

    • @kanedaku
      @kanedaku 2 года назад +81

      I thought in the vid it said someone who he originally streamed with; I assumed that meant an ex-friend

    • @Danny2k34
      @Danny2k34 2 года назад +73

      Worst hacker every doxxing himself.

    • @DJaePea
      @DJaePea 2 года назад +17

      It be the closest to you..

    • @kanedaku
      @kanedaku 2 года назад +64

      @@moostymoosty7857 _"friend"'s behavior was wilder to me than anything zilian did_
      What the fuck dude? Guy straight out faked being in a wheelchair. There's a Family Guy episode like it where Lois is blind. Learn from those lessons if you cant see them in this YT video.

  • @conorjglennon
    @conorjglennon 2 года назад +23749

    I totally forgot about this guy. That moment he stands up and the girl is flabbergasted never gets old

    • @marekadamovsky2738
      @marekadamovsky2738 2 года назад +741

      @Don't read profile photo ok

    • @LoveToSpootch
      @LoveToSpootch 2 года назад +430

      What most people who use the "she tried to take away peoples attention" arguement forget/didn't remember, there has ALWAYS been a steam delay. Meaning, for her reaction to have been so accurate, she woudl've had to talk BEFORE he stood up. Insane coincidence though

    • @anonony9081
      @anonony9081 2 года назад +58

      @@LoveToSpootch wow you probably believe he's still in a wheelchair too don't you?

    • @kateapple1
      @kateapple1 2 года назад +82

      @@anonony9081 relax man

    • @kateapple1
      @kateapple1 2 года назад +63

      @@LoveToSpootch Yeah I’ve heard of this guy before and I’ve heard that the girl reacted really harshly… But I just watched the clip and she didn’t react at all? Did I miss something what is the audio overdubbed or something?

  • @Rennivary
    @Rennivary Год назад +3185

    Dude really just stood up and walked into his downfall

    • @cooltunesworld2.0
      @cooltunesworld2.0 Год назад +41

      Ha ha ha it's funny cause it's true

    • @rickjames8972
      @rickjames8972 Год назад +13

      🤣🤣🤣

    • @axowotlz
      @axowotlz Год назад +5

      underrated comment

    • @WOLF-ei5tq
      @WOLF-ei5tq Год назад

      Yeah like literally.

    • @Seven_Leaf
      @Seven_Leaf Год назад +8

      I mean, it was a twitch channel with a couple of hundred viewers. You making it sound like he lost out on millions of dollars and not just a hobby that made some side cash.

  • @gamerhex7335
    @gamerhex7335 Год назад +3402

    The fact Twitch said they have "zero tolerance for this behavior" is the real joke. They protect streamers that do this all the time and ban the smaller ones. Twitch is the real joke

    • @bluehornet197
      @bluehornet197 Год назад +71

      Yet they banned him while he was big and other streamers aren't doing this lol idk what drugs you're smoking but give me some

    • @marcushendriksen8415
      @marcushendriksen8415 Год назад +7

      Well, not quite a joke, but then they didn't say exactly what they meant either - it's the fact that he got himself caught and dragged their name by association into it that they had zero tolerance for

    • @jenniferhamels1176
      @jenniferhamels1176 Год назад +119

      @@bluehornet197 Let’s be honest here. Twitch has perma banned smaller streamers of things that top streamers get away with all the time. You have to be gullible not seeing that Twitch does play favorites.

    • @jrodriguez2133
      @jrodriguez2133 Год назад

      But they did ban him & kept up with it 9 years later... r u special needs?

    • @bluehornet197
      @bluehornet197 Год назад +7

      @@jenniferhamels1176 what other small time streamers are claiming they are wheelchair bound while they are capable of walking? I never made any sort of claim that twitch plays favourites dont twist my words and they very obviously perma banned this guy for his disgusting behaviour and yet he was big so idk what the point of your comment is

  • @thetherrannative
    @thetherrannative 2 года назад +7578

    Honestly, being honest about his recovery journey would have probably gotten him _more_ support and _more_ donations than pretending to be wheelchair-bound the whole time. Never underestimate the power of compassion. Humans want to see each other getting better. Lying was the wrong move on every possible level.

    • @ayihana
      @ayihana 2 года назад +180

      He didn't lie. He simply wasn't open about his recovery-- he never stated he was wheelchair bound for the rest of his life. That's a narrative made up by the internet.
      I wouldn't really say either that he ''made a mistake'' by not updating his viewers on his recovery process. It's none of the viewer's business in my opinion to know everything that happens with a streamer in their own personal life, however, I can see why some would see it differently.
      I don't think he wanted more support or more donations either way.

    • @thetherrannative
      @thetherrannative 2 года назад +382

      @@ayihana He did lie when he said that he fell off the chair, when he very clearly and obviously stood up and walked away. And I suppose you're right that it isn't a mistake that he committed fraud in taking money from his fans under false pretenses. That was a premeditated crime. Mistakes are accidental, and that was deliberate.
      If he wanted to keep his recovery to himself, the right thing to do would have been to put out a message saying he would no longer accept donations for a reason he would not share. Very easy way to keep your privacy while also not committing fraud.

    • @iRAWT
      @iRAWT 2 года назад

      @@ayihana You don't think he wanted more support or donations?? lol! You must be naive. This guy is a fraud, he was taking plenty of gifts and donations on the premise that he was paralyzed. His girl at the time was just as scummy because she was covering the lie. She deserves to be ousted too. He has "learned from his mistakes" only because he was caught.

    • @ayihana
      @ayihana 2 года назад +26

      @@thetherrannative Ah see. Thank you! :)

    • @ayihana
      @ayihana 2 года назад +35

      @@iRAWT You chose to go into the insulting route, why? You are aware you're able to educate other human beings simply by doing just that without calling them ''naïve'' or whatever. Not everyone's a keyboard warrior out to get you!

  • @wavywebsurf
    @wavywebsurf 2 года назад +17000

    Hi Sunny, I appreciate you fairly covering this story. For viewers: Ever since I spoke with Zilian / Itsblooish back in 2020 and saw the prior photos of him in a wheelchair I realized much of what had been said about him in the past was mostly unsubstantiated bullshit. In my view, Zilian's biggest mistake was not updating his stream regarding his physical therapy progress. He never created a fake disability, and as far as I know he never told anyone he wouldn't be able to walk again. Rather Zilian was actively participating in physical therapy to regain his mobility and needed the wheelchair in the interim. But with him always in the wheelchair on camera, some viewers naturally assumed he was permanently paralyzed and were stunned when he stood up on stream. The clip goes viral, and the "handicapped streamer fakes a disability" narrative becomes part of internet history. Zilian was banned for faking a disability, which is something he provably didn't do. That said, he made many mistakes, which he has admitted to. He should have been updating his stream on his physical therapy and mobility status so a misunderstanding like this could never occur. I agree with Sunny, Zilian has learned his lesson and in my view should be given the chance to simply EXIST on the internet. So shoutout to Sunny and shoutout to ItsBlooish/Zilian. Take care folks.

    • @vz1270
      @vz1270 2 года назад +751

      ok but did he provide any medical documents that support that narrative?
      Because hes not very trustworthy....

    • @GhostedMemes
      @GhostedMemes 2 года назад +428

      sad how the internet ruins people

    • @littlesaltywalker
      @littlesaltywalker 2 года назад +286

      I was looking for this comment since I watched your video first. Thanks, wavy!

    • @Buggolious
      @Buggolious 2 года назад +22

      Crazy story

    • @codemovie
      @codemovie 2 года назад +589

      @@vz1270 did you read the comment?

  • @Sevmmunnyx
    @Sevmmunnyx Год назад +443

    I’m disabled. I use a cane because of a neurological condition (still in the diagnostic process tho) and I have to say while people shouldn’t be surprised if a wheelchair user stands (70% of wheelchair users are ambulatory users meaning they can stand) i understand why the audience reacted that way

    • @stevierose8749
      @stevierose8749 Год назад +28

      This is what I can't stop thinking about. But he DID lie about it and delete comments, I can't imagine why he didn't tell the truth

    • @ZentaBon
      @ZentaBon Год назад +21

      @@stevierose8749 an anxiety attack based on him being aware of how people might see what happened, can do it. If you have enough anxiety, you eventually scrutinize everything you do to make sure it can't be misunderstood. so if you do something that you know looks bad, in reality just needs an explanation. The anxiety can be crippling and when it involves one's livelihood this most reasonable reaction may not be what you see

    • @akibahood7403
      @akibahood7403 Год назад +8

      Hey disabled, I'm dad

    • @Sevmmunnyx
      @Sevmmunnyx Год назад +12

      @@akibahood7403 why did you have to name me this :(

    • @MarvinHartmann452
      @MarvinHartmann452 Год назад +2

      I'm not disabled but I can't work full time because I can't say if I will be able to walk when I get up each morning. Sometimes the nerves in back just don't work correctly since I shattered 5 vertebrae 5 years ago in an accident. So I work part time. I just can't know which days and how many of days it will be each week. The days I can't go, I work home. It suck. But I'm lucky to have a desk job so I didn't lose too much of my income. But the people often question why it's like this. I explained to my colleagues and director but the other people at the job, I don't care. You always end up not caring. There's always someone who will assume you do this for some reasons and I just don't mind anymore.

  • @Hello_Spaceboy
    @Hello_Spaceboy Год назад +381

    I might actually have believed his bs "I just didn't think to tell people about it" story if he hadn't insisted that he fell and was in pain when he got up and walked away lol

    • @Hello_Spaceboy
      @Hello_Spaceboy Год назад +2

      @@instantchaos2385 I'm talking about the dumb thing he did 9 years ago, obv.

    • @instantchaos2385
      @instantchaos2385 Год назад

      @@Hello_Spaceboy but he didn't say "I just didn't think to tell people about it" 9 years ago, and you're calling it bs, so... wut?

    • @Hello_Spaceboy
      @Hello_Spaceboy Год назад +1

      @@instantchaos2385 I commented on this like 4 months ago dude, I'm really not invested in the guy who pretended he fell out of his wheelchair

    • @Jaydogg222
      @Jaydogg222 Год назад +5

      @@instantchaos2385 That would be fine if he just acknowledged that he lied about it, but he never directly acknowledges that on that day he immediately covered it up and lied about it. He only talks about having been in a wheelchair previously and never discussing it...

    • @davidfairweather3301
      @davidfairweather3301 8 месяцев назад

      Fr he was clearly milking the wheelchair thing and knew that standing up on the stream was clearly a fuck up for him which is why he cut off the stream and made up the story about how he fell over after despite the fact he was walking perfectly fine.

  • @nicholasbouchard7077
    @nicholasbouchard7077 2 года назад +5366

    I love how ive never heard of these people yet the stories are always told in the best way possible. Great job Sunny

    • @butteryrenzy
      @butteryrenzy 2 года назад +46

      There's so many bots these days

    • @julidee_
      @julidee_ 2 года назад +6

      bro these bots…

    • @yoshzlac2429
      @yoshzlac2429 2 года назад

      TRUTHruclips.net/video/aNjVNg7PhG8/видео.html 😅

    • @yoshzlac2429
      @yoshzlac2429 2 года назад

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    • @thebean6496
      @thebean6496 2 года назад

      @Some guy with a random pfp [Mayk Felix] I think I’ve seen your comment in a Hero Hei vid

  • @stookinthemiddle
    @stookinthemiddle 2 года назад +8432

    I mean, I'm a wheelchair user who can also stand/walk a little. So instantly assuming someone's faking when they stand is no bueno. But this dude is a piece of work with his gaslighting - he's the reason why folk like me have to fight for recognition of wheelchair users who can walk but still genuinely need a chair.

    • @zacdavid184
      @zacdavid184 Год назад +562

      Instantly assuming someone in a wheelchair is faking when they can walk or stand is no bueno. Refusing to believe a proven liar years after the fact is logical.

    • @MandenTV
      @MandenTV Год назад

      Sounds like you’re just lazy

    • @SiberianIce2022
      @SiberianIce2022 Год назад +129

      @@zacdavid184 For me....it is the point of declaring a disability and profiting off it. He just needed to be honest. It would have gone in a different direction....more positive.

    • @zacdavid184
      @zacdavid184 Год назад +107

      @@SiberianIce2022 The deceit is most of the problem. He could have just admitted that he was in physical therapy or whatever the truth was; being able to walk again is a huge deal and would have been celebrated by most of his followers. This is a big reason I question how legit the injury was in the first place, or how much he was malingering. It's hard to imagine someone having the ability to walk taken from them and then not realize the amazingness of getting it back, I say as someone who is also disabled.

    • @SiberianIce2022
      @SiberianIce2022 Год назад +9

      @@zacdavid184 For sure see your point....as well as agree with it.

  • @bernlin2000
    @bernlin2000 Год назад +384

    That clip of him standing up and just simply walking away really is one of the greatest steamer moments in internet history. The utter lack of care and the simple devastation of just standing up is unparalleled. Most creators have to say something to do something violent/abhorrent. This dude got up out of a chair and ended his whole career 😆

    • @encycl07pedia-
      @encycl07pedia- Год назад +2

      I like how you said "steamer" instead of "streamer." It's like a Freudian slip.

    • @Savariable
      @Savariable Год назад +3

      ​@@encycl07pedia- what?

    • @encycl07pedia-
      @encycl07pedia- Год назад +1

      @@Savariable I don't think I can make it much clearer. Do you think "steam" and "stream" mean the same thing?

    • @Savariable
      @Savariable Год назад +1

      @@encycl07pedia- It was probably literally just a typo, but what are you implying that would even mean?

    • @encycl07pedia-
      @encycl07pedia- Год назад +1

      ​@@Savariable A steamer is slang for what goes into a toilet that's not yellow. You could easily call the subject of this video a piece of that. I can't believe I have to explain this to you.

  • @grizzlywhisker
    @grizzlywhisker 10 месяцев назад +46

    I think this guy was legitimately disabled temporarily, and just chose to maintain the "handicapped guy" image to garner sympathy and donations because it's probably a big part of what made him recognizable. Sure, it's better than faking the whole thing, but it's still lame and dishonest.

    • @djjc9782
      @djjc9782 6 месяцев назад +1

      this!

  • @Minkfang
    @Minkfang 2 года назад +3383

    Its important to note that most wheelchair users can still walk fine or have some level of mobility. Theres plenty of health conditions apart from paralysis that benefit from wheelchair use especially when out and about.

    • @ShinOpaque
      @ShinOpaque 2 года назад +235

      My daugher and I foudn out that she had cerebral palsy and I was super scared of her needing a wheelchair at some point. She can walk but going long distances can be painful and some times just tiring. I was the one crying over this idea, and SHE was the one who was like, "Oh, I dont mind using it sometimes if I need it."
      Yeah shes not used it yet, but if we go somewhere like, disney and she needs it, shes not faking it, because she can walk most times.

    • @staringcorgi6475
      @staringcorgi6475 2 года назад

      He wasn’t disabled he had to be in the chair after an accident

    • @kurtlee5404
      @kurtlee5404 2 года назад +104

      Yeah having a wheel chair dosent mean they are fully imobelise they can walk for a moment or even sometimes wheelchair are also for support because i have an uncle he was in his wheelchair for about 2 and a half years now and he can walk a couple of meters but he still needs support

    • @adambonesaw3689
      @adambonesaw3689 2 года назад

      Nah, I think even people who kicky foot are pieces of shit. I see you using that foot. I'm not an idiot. Kicky footers should be stripped of their insurance

    • @feliciaatkinson4671
      @feliciaatkinson4671 2 года назад +155

      I’m a wheelchair user because my joints dislocate and honestly this sort of shit upsets me because this is why people think I’m capable of working. I can stand up and walk just fine, the chair is here to take stress off my joints.

  • @henryaung7229
    @henryaung7229 2 года назад +5414

    I'm fairly convinced that even though he clearly didn't mean to fake a disability from the get go, seeing how it garnered sympathy and support for him and his career he chose not to disclose his rehabilitation.

    • @Nikolaj11
      @Nikolaj11 2 года назад +171

      Absolutely. If it was merely a slip of his mind his girlfriend, who was clearly in on keeping the image going, would not have reacted like that.

    • @ExarchGaming
      @ExarchGaming 2 года назад +87

      @@Nikolaj11 He actually addressed this, and if you know how twitch (or back then it might have even still been justintv) the time between her "reaction" and him standing up was less than one second, which would have been impossible due to the delay on the stream which multiple people have confirmed was much longer 11 years ago. Now the tech they've put in to it, has dropped that delay to 5 seconds or less, but even then if you go by the delay she responded so fast that it's more or less highly highly improbable that she reacted to him standing up.
      He did a stream where he talked about the entire thing just a few hours after sunny's vid came out, it was very enlightening to listen to the incident in retrospect. Because he fully admits he panicked and lied, but some of the conspiracy theories people have come up with were completely out of left field and easily explained away.

    • @sethk5396
      @sethk5396 2 года назад +56

      Completely. He was so quick to shut down people asking why he stood up, and the audible gasp on the stream made it clear it was being intentionally obscured.

    • @ExarchGaming
      @ExarchGaming 2 года назад +16

      @@sethk5396 That's not what happened though. Like i've explained, even on modern twitch there is a delay of 10-15 seconds, you can see this no better than watching certain clips where say Mizkif and Alinity were talking via discord, and how out of sync the audio and the video were while he was watching her stream.
      Back in 2011-2012 where this happened, the delay was much larger, and her reaction happened less than a second after. It would be impossible for her to have seen that and reacted that quickly, literally impossible.
      He didn't even know he was on stream, which is why he panicked and lied. Go watch his most recent stream on his channel where he talks about this video, or go watch the interview with Wavy. He fully admits guilt for his actions after this clip came out, but the conspiracy theories and the pure speculation people have come up with have contradicting evidence.

    • @Nikolaj11
      @Nikolaj11 2 года назад +65

      @@ExarchGaming So she gasped audibly for nothing? Sure.

  • @UniqueLove32
    @UniqueLove32 Год назад +157

    This one is both messed up yet hilarious at the same time 😂

    • @Theunicorn2012
      @Theunicorn2012 Год назад +3

      This one is both messed up yet hilarious at the same time 😂

    • @ramengirl8745
      @ramengirl8745 Год назад +3

      This one is both messed up yet hilarious at the same time 😂

  • @King_Dragon_13
    @King_Dragon_13 Год назад +126

    When I was in a wheelchair I was able to get up and step away from it. I mean it’s not for long periods of time. But I feel like he saw a opportunity and used it to his advantage when those donations was coming in.. he kinda told on himself. Like he said he should’ve just been like hey I was able to get up and take steps in therapy so ppl wouldn’t have been so surprised.

    • @Neremworld
      @Neremworld Год назад +10

      He was definitely hiding his recovery so he could get more sympathy bucks. Like, why else would he try to hide that he got up and walked? If he had come clean nobody would have cared, instead of "Oh no I totally fell and hurt myself owww owww is this convincing?"

    • @BiggieTrismegistus
      @BiggieTrismegistus Год назад +4

      It's wasn't just that he stood up and walked but how he stood up and walked. My mom uses a wheelchair but can walk a little bit. When she gets out her chair she doesn't bolt right up and confidently take strides like Killian did though. She uses her arms to push off when she stands and then holds onto anything nearby to steady herself.

    • @myouniverse0613
      @myouniverse0613 Год назад +1

      @@Neremworld Well yes he admitted to that. He saw how his disability was basically tied to his identity as a twitch streamer, so he overplayed it. But people do deserve second chances.

    • @Neremworld
      @Neremworld Год назад +1

      @@myouniverse0613 This would be a third chance though, because his second chance was when he stood up and walked. If he had come clean then, he would have been fine receiving his second chance. But him lying about it blatantly takes it from 'mistake' to 'scammer'. I have no problem giving someone a second chance, but he lied about it constantly, and my patience runs out fast.

    • @myouniverse0613
      @myouniverse0613 Год назад +1

      @@Neremworld He didn’t deliberately lie about the disability, though he did omit the fact that he have recovered later on. Then when he was caught he lied to cover it up, and that was wrong too. But these events are really part of the same issue. He deceived people for clout and money. That is wrong and he should be punished for that. Which he was. And now that he’s trying to turn a new leaf, I think it’s fair to let him. He learned from his mistakes and he know what he did was wrong. Ofc, to each his own. Imo this is his second chance to do right by his audience.

  • @o-taco2272
    @o-taco2272 2 года назад +4926

    If he just said after the stream that he wasn't completely paralysed everything would have been fine. I know wheelchair users who can walk around but they still need a wheelchair. But he tried to gaslight the audience into thinking something else which really made it look like he was lying.

    • @MattMarkYT
      @MattMarkYT 2 года назад +18

      Did you even watch the video bruh?

    • @SpinAttackLink
      @SpinAttackLink 2 года назад +373

      @@MattMarkYT he did he’s saying sense he was trying to hide it made him look like he lying when he wasn’t

    • @joerancid1981
      @joerancid1981 2 года назад +387

      I absolutely HATE it when a person calls out wheelchair bound person for standing up,and say that their "faking it" . It just shows how little they know about how disabilitys work.

    • @hiimjustin8826
      @hiimjustin8826 2 года назад +104

      He was lying. He didn't eat shit so obviously he was lying to his audience to try to cover up his blunder.

    • @hunterq4202
      @hunterq4202 2 года назад +90

      @@joerancid1981 Yeah and perpetuates this idea that disabled people have to be wheelchair bound

  • @xyz-de7wb
    @xyz-de7wb 2 года назад +2799

    can't wait for every single streamer to react to this

  • @tjeerdtrekkie1030
    @tjeerdtrekkie1030 Год назад +30

    Quite a few wheelchair users can walk a few steps without needing the chair. But its the story and evidence around it that made it suspicious. Not just the reaction of his girlfriend, but also the camera pointing down, the end of the stream and the fact that he tried to cover it up by saying that he fell.

  • @gunsmokegaloreyt6840
    @gunsmokegaloreyt6840 Год назад +4069

    He had ONE job - to not stand up and walk on camera
    HOW CAN YOU FUCK THAT UP

    • @SiberianIce2022
      @SiberianIce2022 Год назад +75

      LMAO!!!!!!!😝

    • @HappyBeezerStudios
      @HappyBeezerStudios Год назад +280

      He also had an alternative job: Updating his followers on his recovery.

    • @KerbalSpacey
      @KerbalSpacey Год назад +18

      @@HappyBeezerStudios nah.

    • @ho-leesheet5923
      @ho-leesheet5923 Год назад +45

      He had a heated gamer moment🤣

    • @LiamAnthony_
      @LiamAnthony_ Год назад +43

      Obviously he got so use to standing up out of the wheelchair that he just didnt think

  • @GathinoLaranja
    @GathinoLaranja Год назад +3532

    The standing up wouldn't make me that suspicious. Even my Granny who needed a wheelchair could get out of it and do a few steps without it and yet she was bound to a wheelchair. It is his girlfriends reaction after he stood up that clearly indicates that they both knew they were faking it at that point.

    • @casizz5047
      @casizz5047 Год назад +263

      Also that the pointed the webcam down after that and then stopped the stream is very suspecious

    • @ewa8253
      @ewa8253 Год назад

      @@casizz5047 ⁹⁰

    • @mann_idonotreadreplies
      @mann_idonotreadreplies Год назад +41

      Cool story bro but it's The way he stood up. He stood up so easy.

    • @someoneidk308
      @someoneidk308 Год назад +119

      @@mann_idonotreadreplies Yeah but people with POTS can stand up just fine- probably make it a few (or more) steps too before falling.
      Not every person is in a wheelchair bc they're paraplegic. Nor is every person in a wheelchair due to a disability that weakens their muscles or causes pain to stand (which would be why someone may struggle to get up in a wheelchair). That's why we don't assume that people are faking. We don't know what disability that person has.
      However, if he had fallen, he wouldn't have turned his camera down after the fact. So he's still lying, but that shouldn't impact how you think of disabled people.

    • @JoroHedgie
      @JoroHedgie Год назад +85

      @@mann_idonotreadreplies I am a disabled person who deals with my muscles occasionally giving out on them. I have days where I can stand up with zero problem. That isn't the best way to judge tbh. Obviously, lying about being disabled for money isn't cool though.

  • @takethedanimalyoungone5671
    @takethedanimalyoungone5671 Год назад +1

    Bro I’m so proud of you man you’ve come so far since the rise and fall videos love you man fr😭

  • @Mangachew
    @Mangachew Год назад +131

    In my opinion; I think dude had a SMALL injury for a SMALL period of time where, at a push *no pun intended* he used a wheelchair. He then notices that his donations on Twitch become more regular and milks that opportunity.
    I don’t doubt he’d still be doing it now if he wasn’t caught without, or in this WITH, a leg to stand on…

    • @tomwarlow1783
      @tomwarlow1783 Год назад +1

      That’s what I think I just think he had one at the start and saw all the donations due to being in a wheelchair so didn’t want to get rid of it and lose subscribers and donations

    • @instantchaos2385
      @instantchaos2385 Год назад

      dude it's been 9 years, people change completely after such a long time, you can't be *sure* he'd still be doing the same thing

    • @callofdutyMobileFranky
      @callofdutyMobileFranky Месяц назад

      Chandler Halderson 2.0

  • @sethk5396
    @sethk5396 2 года назад +602

    It's the way he immediately lied about falling and injuring himself when caught that makes me think he intentionally omitted his recovery because it had become a successful part of his brand and identity.

    • @zachdalmaso2131
      @zachdalmaso2131 2 года назад +13

      You are being generous by even giving him that, that he was actually, genuinely disabled and legitimately wheelchair-bound at some point before he started milking Twitch donors under false pretenses. Even that we can't say is a sure thing, with the history of dishonesty that this dude has.

    • @zachdalmaso2131
      @zachdalmaso2131 2 года назад +13

      The only "proof" or evidence supporting his claim that he was genuinely wheelchair-bound are the social media pics of him in a wheelchair a year or whatever before he even started on Twitch. But whose to say he didn't start scamming, & milking for sympathy donations, people IRL with the fake disability story because he saw the special privileges offered to handicapped people - that are admittedly nice perks, but not when you have to suffer from a genuine disability that harms your quality of life just to be eligible for said perks. Then he decided to try his scam out online.

    • @sethk5396
      @sethk5396 2 года назад +5

      @@zachdalmaso2131 I agree, it seems to be stretching the "proof" much too far.

    • @smurgerburger
      @smurgerburger 2 года назад +8

      @@zachdalmaso2131 if you have any proof of your claim then it could be up for debate. But all that you just said was just skepticism. Also he already told everybody the full story.

    • @zachdalmaso2131
      @zachdalmaso2131 2 года назад

      @@smurgerburger What claim are you even referring to? I never made any claim, which should be clear as day to anyone who is indeed literate and actually read my posts. I just ripped apart the obviously bullshit claims made by somebody else by attacking the incredibly weak and flimsy excuses that only a gullible rube would believe. If you think I need "proof" to attack flimsy excuses then you have not even the slightest idea of how debating works.

  • @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache
    @TheRealGuywithoutaMustache 2 года назад +4075

    So he never meant to fake a disability, but why did he think it was a good idea to keep his rehabilitation progress a secret? Seems kinda suspircious how his girl would get shocked at him standing up in front of the camera, unless they talked about using and keeping up his disability as part of his image? On the bright side, he learned his lesson and decided to keep moving forward

    • @williamtheconqueror2719
      @williamtheconqueror2719 2 года назад +11

      e

    • @LiamAmsel
      @LiamAmsel 2 года назад +169

      Maybe he kept his progress secret, because he wanted to keep that part of his life private? 🤔 I personally never watched Zilian before though, so I can't say whether he was an open kinda guy or not about other parts of his life; but I know some streamers like to keep their personal lives more disclosed from their audience.
      Regardless whether he wanted to keep it private or not, he shouldn't have said he "fell" off his wheelchair when he did stand up. Perhaps being open right away could have helped his situation at the time.
      Wherever Zilian is at, at this point in time, it sounds like he learned from his experience all those years ago, and if he was indeed truthful all that time; hopefully Zilian can be given a fair chance by whatever audience he may bring in.

    • @zooms7889
      @zooms7889 2 года назад +10

      just some guy without mustache sighting
      again

    • @Whitedudeabove
      @Whitedudeabove 2 года назад +77

      He clearly created one intentionally. Why else would he go so far as to lie and cover up the fact that he could walk. He very obviously wanted people to still believe he was disabled. Because that's a big part of his persona, that's a big reason why he gets donations. To just wipe the slate clean simply because he's showing remorse is just forgetting all those people he deceived and ultimately received donations from.

    • @autisticbluesloth5244
      @autisticbluesloth5244 2 года назад +25

      @@Whitedudeabove he probably thought at some point that people only came because they thought he was wheelchair bound and he thought he would lose all his viewers if they found out

  • @amazingadrien
    @amazingadrien Год назад +15

    This reminds me a bit of some of my experiences as an ambulatory wheelchair user. I don't always need the chair, but there are also days where I can't do anything without it. Disclosing this information is important in certain situations, especially in those where people are monetarily supporting you because of the fact that you have a disability. Being able to walk when you use a wheelchair is absolutely fine, but you absolutely must be transparent about the fact that you are not completely dependent upon it.

    • @instantchaos2385
      @instantchaos2385 Год назад

      the biggest reason was him panicking and trying to come up with excuses when that happened that turned everyone against him, everyone just took his excuses as him admitting that he was lying completely

    • @Jaydogg222
      @Jaydogg222 Год назад

      Does your SO scream "OMG" whenever you stand? Do you feel the need to immediately point any cameras down or hide the fact that you stood up every time you stand?

    • @amazingadrien
      @amazingadrien Год назад

      @@Jaydogg222 what

    • @Jaydogg222
      @Jaydogg222 Год назад

      @@amazingadrien huh

  • @moldiworp9143
    @moldiworp9143 8 месяцев назад +4

    Never seen a man dig a hole for himself with his legs.

  • @DontTouchMyCroissant
    @DontTouchMyCroissant 2 года назад +2176

    It sucks so hard, cos viewers are going to end up doubting people who really need a wheelchair. (Especially people who are disabled but can get out of their wheelchair for a short while.)

    • @AstralPhnx
      @AstralPhnx 2 года назад +50

      Really turns into a "Boy who cried wolf" situation

    • @informitas0117
      @informitas0117 2 года назад +42

      Situations like this is why I don't talk about my schizophrenia unless it's very topical and safe. People have tried to call me out of the blue with nothing else to go on other than me talking about my illness. I fucking wish it was all a lie. I earn nothing from having this curse but boy did I lose a lot.

    • @D0NU75
      @D0NU75 2 года назад

      yeah, makes me think Ricky Berwick is a hackfraud, i always knew he was too suspiciously handsome of a cripple

    • @nonpungent8609
      @nonpungent8609 2 года назад +87

      @@xabhax except not all disabled people are the same and feel the same about their disability. And someone newly disabled would be at a different point in their journey than someone disabled since birth or childhood.

    • @MattMarkYT
      @MattMarkYT 2 года назад +6

      No. People created the image of him being wheelchair bound, not himself

  • @secondtime8063
    @secondtime8063 2 года назад +2119

    He could’ve completely avoided this if he just said he wasn’t completely paralyzed. Really sucks how he went down :/

    • @RyanLovesSprite2
      @RyanLovesSprite2 2 года назад +71

      He never said he was though. It was just assumed.

    • @ExarchGaming
      @ExarchGaming 2 года назад +76

      yeah what Ryan said.... people just assumed, but he did know what he did, he admits that, go watch his most recent live stream on his channel (on youtube) and he talks about the entire incident in length, having admitted he panicked and lied.
      He was injured, he did require a wheel chair, but he wasn't paralyzed, from the waist down. Some people, like famously Franklin D Roosevelt, president of the united states during WW2 was in a wheel chair, but most people didn't know that, because he would always stand while addressing the public.
      I really really must impress upon people to watch his live stream he just did to hear in detail all of the weird conspiracies people came up with.

    • @secondtime8063
      @secondtime8063 2 года назад +3

      Thanks, I’ll go check it out

    • @challengeyourmind3937
      @challengeyourmind3937 2 года назад +25

      LOL looks like he conned you successfully. His charade (that his gf was in on) was generating money so he would have kept it going indefinitely if he wasn't exposed

    • @GlobalTossPot
      @GlobalTossPot 2 года назад +36

      @@challengeyourmind3937 I don’t get how anyone is feeling bad for the guy. It doesn’t matter if people thought he was paralyzed or not; the scumbag still used the wheelchair as a way to gain popularity and profit. A lot of people are missing the entire point and it’s pathetic. Even if he was paralyzed and asked for donations, what makes that right? No one is entitled to anything. No one has to give sympathy for one another. It’s one thing if donations went to a charity but pocketing regardless is disgusting

  • @mystigin4385
    @mystigin4385 Год назад

    Honestly your content is pretty entertaining and informational. Pretty good keep it up.
    (Food for thought maybe in the future if anything comes up on xan or other failed celebrities and media icons you have made videos on, you could do a where are they now sort of thing) anyways have a good day

  • @milkinobama8160
    @milkinobama8160 Год назад +51

    Man could still have a career if he just acted like god did a miracle to him once he realize he stood up in front of the camera

    • @BiggieTrismegistus
      @BiggieTrismegistus Год назад +1

      Here's evidently never seen _Dr. Stranglove_

    • @Theunicorn2012
      @Theunicorn2012 Год назад +1

      Man could still have a career if he just acted like god did a miracle to him once he realize he stood up in front of camera

    • @BiggieTrismegistus
      @BiggieTrismegistus Год назад

      @@Theunicorn2012 That's what I meant about _Dr. Strangelove._ In that movie the title character was in a wheelchair until he pops up walking and screams "MEIN FUHRER! I CAN VALK!" That's what this dude should have done. It would have been epic.

    • @Mystipaoniz
      @Mystipaoniz Год назад

      and he would have gotten massive donations from religious freaks ^^

    • @guropika
      @guropika Год назад +1

      bro acting like johnny joestar after the power of the spin

  • @Dailyaccount1427
    @Dailyaccount1427 2 года назад +2642

    A friendly reminder that there are wheelchair users who can stand and walk. Due to different reasons, some people might only need wheelchairs for specific situations. So next time you see a person in a wheelchair stand up and walk, don’t immediately assume they’re faking. Not every wheelchair user is completely paralysed
    Edit: Just came back to clear up some things. My comment wasn’t to insinuate that what he did was right, and that the people who were angry with him were being unreasonable, I’m just saying that IN GENERAL, when we see someone in a wheelchair stand up and walk, we shouldn’t immediately jump to assuming that they were faking being disabled. Obviously, it’s important not to lie about your disability just to get money or benefit yourself or what not, because it just leads people to being skeptical of every disabled person they come across. But it’s also not a bad idea to not jump to conclusions when you see wheelchair users abandon their wheelchairs every now and then, (another example is people with visual impairments using a cane or another mobility aid on this day, and going out without one the next). People shouldn’t be dishonest in how they present themselves (especially if they have an audience or a large following) but, people should also be mindful and avoid making assumptions too quickly. This was just a friendly reminder that not everyone with a disability needs an aid at all times, everyone is different and everything is situational.
    Sorry about the long edit, I’m not good at putting thoughts into words

    • @Imlizzmitchell
      @Imlizzmitchell Год назад +130

      Exactly! Personally, I might actually get in a wheelchair soon because of spasticity and possible neuropathy

    • @dakota5925
      @dakota5925 Год назад +74

      i was going to comment this as well but i think he should have just said that he was recovering so he didn't have to deal with this

    • @zacdavid184
      @zacdavid184 Год назад +101

      But also a friendly reminder that most wheelchair users don't use their disabilities for clout and then lie about the extent of said (POTENTIAL) disability when it turns out they're not as infirmed as they claimed.

    • @Maggie66112
      @Maggie66112 Год назад +9

      This. Wanted to say the same but I'm too lazy so good

    • @Maria-qd7jl
      @Maria-qd7jl Год назад +21

      Glad I found this comment. Was gonna say that people need to remember there are ambulatory wheelchair users

  • @xravia79
    @xravia79 2 года назад +2253

    He had a disability sure but clearly there was malicious intent there. His gf freaked out when he stood up on stream then he moved the camera. Afterwards he lies and said he fell. He knew what he was doing. I can't say I feel sorry for him.

    • @iamfeneq
      @iamfeneq 2 года назад +175

      Agreed. Especially because he is still maintaining that his only mistake was not being more upfront about his rehabilitation. Nah dude, your mistake was actively deceiving your viewers and still lying about it to this day.

    • @VieneLea
      @VieneLea 2 года назад +48

      It's obvious that when people saw him on a wheelchair they thought it's permanent. He never said it wasn't, and therefore got a ton of donations, and realising how lucrative that was he never had an intention to stop.

    • @pr0digy76
      @pr0digy76 2 года назад +21

      @@iamfeneq Zillian had an excuse for this moment actually. I don't remember it well but it was something like his dog chewing the cables of the stream setup or something like that, you can see it in the video from *wavywebsurf* whose comment were super liked. And it was actually for this reason that he stood up. Moreover, if I remember well once more, there was an argument with the delay of the girl's voice with the stream and that it was too short or too long to be a shocked reaction from the guy standing up rather than the dog chewing the cables.

    • @Serenpaii
      @Serenpaii 2 года назад +11

      Exactly! And took their money under false pretenses

    • @physical_insanity
      @physical_insanity 2 года назад +3

      You clearly haven't been around many women if you think she's freaking out.

  • @xxlovelymessxx9243
    @xxlovelymessxx9243 10 месяцев назад +7

    As someone whose actually disabled, I'd never wish the sh*t I've been through on anyone but then I remember these type of people exist.

    • @SinfullyHera
      @SinfullyHera 6 месяцев назад

      Yeah but it wasn’t a hoax

  • @EdgyShooter
    @EdgyShooter Год назад +808

    Hell, if he'd included his journey as part of his channel, that in itself may well have brought more people in. Also would've been quite inspiring to show how you shouldn't give up and how things like physical therapy really are worth it

    • @tmsphere
      @tmsphere Год назад +41

      Man this couldve been a great recovery story if this dude wasnt a total cheater with bots & crypto besides his very temporary disability.

    • @jrodriguez2133
      @jrodriguez2133 Год назад +6

      Happy to hear he got banned again actions have consequences he should never be allowed back he knew damn well what he was doing he just didn't want his income affected what a manipulator

    • @chewinhard4456
      @chewinhard4456 Год назад +6

      @@jrodriguez2133 that’s a little harsh my man.

    • @jrodriguez2133
      @jrodriguez2133 Год назад +5

      @@chewinhard4456 what that man did was harsh asf

    • @ynemey1243
      @ynemey1243 Год назад +1

      @@chewinhard4456 Simp alert.

  • @shadowfox2084
    @shadowfox2084 2 года назад +337

    I think he should have at least tried to explain himself after he was "caught". The way he reacted afterwards, trying to cover it up, lying about falling and removing comments calling him out, then not coming out with the truth until 7 years later, it was just a total mess.

    • @madebymai7435
      @madebymai7435 2 года назад +35

      I'm disabled. I have a spinal injury and epilepsy as a result of an auto accident (epilepsy resulting from TBI sustained from incident).
      I was in and out of a wheelchair (mostly on crutches because I refused to give up trying to walk) for about 6 months after said accident. I had urinary incontinence among other serious complications.
      This seems sketchy as hell. I would be open and honest with my viewers, as I am because my husband and I stream on Twitch, about my recovery process. I'm not sure why you wouldn't. It's personal but, if you're openly throwing your disability out there, talking about it, and accepting donations because of your inability to work a "normal" job (a struggle a large percentage of us with disabilities face, hence why we receive financial aid from the government), you owe updates. You're already sharing a large portion of your personal life, so why not keep your viewers in the loop?
      The fact he pointed his camera down and didn't try to come back instantaneously to stream and try to explain (or at least in the next stream) that it was a misunderstanding shows he, without a doubt, was faking it beyond his period of disability, if what he stated was even truthful.
      I'm disgusted and appalled. This is a slap in the face to those of us that struggle immensely to even get by and face constant discrimination because of our disabilities. I genuinely wonder, had he not stood up on camera, if he would've continued accepting donations under the pretense that he was wheelchair bound.

    • @pretzelz0
      @pretzelz0 2 года назад +7

      @@madebymai7435 this is the exact thing i was thinking, he definitely would have been accepting as many donations as possible for his "disability"

    • @shadowfox2084
      @shadowfox2084 2 года назад +4

      @@madebymai7435 I didn't think about the donations side of it. At first it just seemed like, at worst, he was just desperately trying to keep up a false image, but there were probably people donating because they were trying to help someone who they thought was permanently disabled. Yeah, that makes it pretty scummy, and potentially adds a whole other layer of borderline fraud.

    • @oliver_twistor
      @oliver_twistor 2 года назад +5

      As often is the case, the cover-up is worse than the "crime". Panic can make you do stupid things. In this case, it would have been far easier to casually explain himself. Then nobody would have taken notice, they would congratulate him on his recovery instead.

    • @halogod0298
      @halogod0298 2 года назад

      @@madebymai7435 I don’t think it’s that big of a deal personally. Most of these people come office jealous. He was in a wheelchair, and it was getting out. He handled it incorrectly but it’s not that big of a deal

  • @Cartier2Shiesty
    @Cartier2Shiesty 10 месяцев назад +5

    im binge watching all your vids sunny, thank you for being a real one and bringing all this crazy stuff to light 🙏

  • @AtrocityEquine01
    @AtrocityEquine01 Год назад +60

    I feel that yes, Zillian was at one point wheelchair bound and at first it was genuine, but after his legs recovered, he kept up the façade that he was still wheelchair bound since he kept getting so much attention/free money from it. It wasn't originally malicious, but _became_ malicious afterwards, and he paid the price for his screw up.
    And I can assume Hypn0tical really had it out for Zillian probably due to some fall out the two had, considering he went after Zillian for his secondary Twitch account...despite the fact that he was no longer doing shady shit and moving on.
    I believe in second chances for people like Zillian, and while I very much think he was dumb for scamming people and the like, he should still be allowed to continue on streaming. He already is punished enough too with people never letting the scamming situation go to, so it's a win-win for both parties I suppose.

    • @m.rraghav817
      @m.rraghav817 Год назад

      What's your take on ticsandroses?

    • @Ioonas
      @Ioonas Год назад +3

      @@m.rraghav817 ew

    • @ynemey1243
      @ynemey1243 Год назад

      Simps like this really demonstrate what Stockholm Syndrome looks like.

    • @Shibe.
      @Shibe. Год назад +1

      @@Ioonas agreed

    • @CLASSYTUXYFGA
      @CLASSYTUXYFGA Год назад

      Cash conventional

  • @heelturnsface
    @heelturnsface 8 месяцев назад +3

    He led people to believe his condition was worse than it was then he lied about it once he exposed himself. The guy’s a scumbag

  • @Cottontailart
    @Cottontailart 2 года назад +364

    im disabled and can walk a certain distance but people like this is why i feel terrible for offering comissions to save up for an electric scooter/ wheelchair and disability bed

    • @ItsBlooish
      @ItsBlooish 2 года назад +38

      Don't feel bad for it. Just be honest from the get go.

    • @Cottontailart
      @Cottontailart 2 года назад +9

      @@ItsBlooish oh I am it just makes me feel bad cos I cant work hard for it but I don't want hand outs

    • @vglycorpse
      @vglycorpse 2 года назад +35

      @@Cottontailart it's not a "handout," you have a disability you didn't ask for, there is no shame in trying crowdfunding or offering commissions! Hell, I offered emergency commissions back in Jan this year because I couldn't afford my car repairs (I work part time), and I raised almost $200 through them. I wish you luck!! It sucks you even have to "save up" for a device to allow you to have better mobility :(

    • @Cottontailart
      @Cottontailart 2 года назад +4

      @@vglycorpse thanks I might try that and yeh funding on everything in the UK is messed up atm and it's cheaper to raise money than trying to insure myself

    • @burgerboss8377
      @burgerboss8377 2 года назад +5

      @@Cottontailart lmao you're literally responding to the streamer in question

  • @KAMIOUKA
    @KAMIOUKA 2 года назад +521

    It is so funny how he just stood up 🤣

  • @oblivion1924
    @oblivion1924 10 месяцев назад +4

    I have been with a few people who were wheelchair bound before, and what I found to be suspicious immediately was the fact that he was in a whellchair all the time. Most people who are stuck in wheelchairs want to be out of them as often as possible. The fact that he didn't have any other chair to replace his wheelchair is what was weird from the get go

  • @felphero
    @felphero Год назад +20

    OH MY GOD HE WALKED! WHY ARE YOU PEOPLE ANGRY WE WITNESSED A MIRACLE

  • @SameCoin12
    @SameCoin12 Год назад +772

    I am a part time wheelchair user. I have been accused of faking my illness when I go from walking to using wheels, or go from using wheels to standing. I have a disability I wish to God I could get rid of, but this is not the case. People like me are judged, ridiculed, and sometimes called frauds. People jump to snap judgements without knowing a full story. I now stay home as I just don’t want to deal with it anymore.

    • @tazhienunurbusinezz1703
      @tazhienunurbusinezz1703 Год назад +77

      I have a genetic condition that at the ripe old age of about 26, gave me similar bones to an 80 year old, now it's slowed some so my bones are about 95 years old. My medical team uses my file in class at med school.
      I look fine. Once in awhile, if the weather is going to turn, if it's cold, or for any number of other reasons that they are being uncooperative, I use a cane. Most of the time I can manage without it (God help me if I ever trip though because stubbing my toe shatters it.) so I do because errands are just more difficult if you have one of your hands tied up with mobility. I have a placard. I've been screamed at more than once. One lady even tried to shove me.
      People need to stop pretending they are the cops because they aren't smart & are usually very wrong. I shouldn't have to share my medical condition just to park my car & not be accosted because on the outside I look young, healthy & athletic (more body type & former ability than any current activity).

    • @stevenvdc681
      @stevenvdc681 Год назад +16

      Sometimes I feel the same faking a smile pretending if you're not in pain is very hard but don't give up. I know this is hard to hear I am in a wheelchair to some things will be easy some days and some days will be hard and people will never know what you feel inside because they are not you. tried to get out of the house meet people even if you are in pain talk to a pain specialist that's the first step and make a list of things you would like to do .

    • @sew_gal7340
      @sew_gal7340 Год назад +9

      Its not that big of a deal, sometimes people are called out who really are faking it and these people are doing the world a service by condemning fakers...which allocates more resources to real actual disabled people...sometimes innocents are caught in the crossfire and thats just how it is

    • @spockish9526
      @spockish9526 Год назад +48

      @@sew_gal7340 Easy to say when you aren't the one going through it. While I do think that unfortunately many people are ignorant and that we have to accept it, I find it to be insensitive to tell someone being falsely accused multiple times that it's not that big of a deal. That's something that could mess with anyone's head. It could mess with their reputation both in their personal and/or work life. Someone above even said that people have gotten physical because they're assumed to be an able bodied person faking it. It's not something that is just easy to deal with.
      I say do your best to ignore it if it doesn't directly affect your life. In cases in which it might have an effect call out people's ignorance. They don't know you and certainly aren't a doctor able to diagnose you by looking at you.

    • @sew_gal7340
      @sew_gal7340 Год назад +2

      @@spockish9526 wheel chair people want to be treated like everyone else, if you think they should be treated differently maybe you are being ableist and might need to re evaluate your morals. adults handle criticism with maturity and courage, they dont cower in fear and wheel chair people are tough individuals..you ought to respect them more

  • @natherahmed8729
    @natherahmed8729 2 года назад +742

    Finally a documentary where the person in it learned his lesson. Hope he has a good future in front of him

    • @frostpyr0
      @frostpyr0 2 года назад +47

      What was the lesson? Like seriously. He did nothing wrong.
      He was in a wheelchair, then recovered to the point of not needing it 24/7.
      Zillian did not say he would never walk again.
      The problem here is that a bunch of moral andys attacked a guy for something they didnt know anything about.

    • @thaiboypsp3000
      @thaiboypsp3000 2 года назад +78

      @@frostpyr0 imagine shilling for a fraud lol.

    • @TheMightyGlizzy
      @TheMightyGlizzy 2 года назад +131

      @@frostpyr0 People got mad because he never said a thing about recovering, he still used the wheelchair even though it wasnt needed anymore and people saw that as him baiting them

    • @cliiiiiq8787
      @cliiiiiq8787 2 года назад +20

      @@TheMightyGlizzy ....being in a wheel chair does not mean you cant get up or walk for short intervals

    • @getaloadofthisguy2927
      @getaloadofthisguy2927 2 года назад +13

      @@frostpyr0 the normal thing to have done is tell his loyal fans who have been supporting him and given him money about his recovery instead of continuing to not say anything and lie about it to get more money

  • @carsiccl
    @carsiccl 4 месяца назад +1

    I love how he just waltzed out of his chair. He forgot his whole reputation and just stood up out of nowhere.

  • @McLovin-.
    @McLovin-. 9 месяцев назад +2

    I understand that maybe it’s possible for him to be able to walk a little. But he never once disclosed that making it seem like he was fully wheelchair bound

  • @The2KXperience
    @The2KXperience 2 года назад +826

    I will never truly understand why he chose to keep secret the fact that he was getting better. Learning to walk again is an incredible accomplishment and should be celebrated. If he chose to keep it secret in order to keep the sympathy donations pouring in, then that honestly is a pretty scumbag move. But time heals all wounds as they say and so long as he's learned his lesson I don't mind him streaming again.

    • @ccash3290
      @ccash3290 2 года назад +94

      He was in too deep. His wheelchair because part of his brand. Changing that would be very difficult

    • @gracekim25
      @gracekim25 2 года назад +6

      @@ccash3290 mmm it does feel that way😨

    • @jTiKey
      @jTiKey 2 года назад +48

      because he was earning money and sympathy. The same reason beggers will fake a disabiblity to gain sympany and earn that way money from random people.

    • @novaangle2183
      @novaangle2183 2 года назад +24

      @@ccash3290 He was in deep because he never told anyone anything and continued to fake needing a wheelchair after he got better. I used a wheelchair for a while and still have to on and off and what this guy did is inexcusable. People already judge wheelchair users who can walk shortly or stand up for a little so what he did makes it so much worse. He's selfish and wanted to pretend to still be disabled to get cash from his unsuspecting watchers.

    • @ReviewOrcsUSA
      @ReviewOrcsUSA 2 года назад +4

      Lol, it's okay to get pity-money if you're disabled, but not if you're healthy? Healthy people are worth more than cripples by definition, think of it from a slaver's or a politician's perspective. So healthy people should be able to make more than cripples, if pity-money is the only way, so be it!

  • @wilkogb
    @wilkogb 2 года назад +1123

    I always saw him a fraud but now I feel bad. I couldn’t have known until now. Thanks for educating us Sunny.

    • @therealgamingfire
      @therealgamingfire 2 года назад

      ruclips.net/video/F72pOwjrVWk/видео.html here is the full video of zillianOP's story

    • @samvaz4082
      @samvaz4082 2 года назад +8

      Buddy caught himself lacking

    • @Daniel-ro8tq
      @Daniel-ro8tq 2 года назад

      He's still a fraud, he faked having a disability even when he gained the ability to walk again.

    • @subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234
      @subifyouhatetiktokandreddit234 2 года назад +56

      Wavywebsurf is the guy you should credit for interviewing him...

    • @samvaz4082
      @samvaz4082 2 года назад +8

      Always saw him as a Fraud?? Damn, you must've WAITING for his downfall 😂😂

  • @PrincessofPower84
    @PrincessofPower84 Год назад +3

    This is right up there with pretending you have cancer. Despicable!

  • @lynnleigha580
    @lynnleigha580 Год назад +2

    I would have just said that I was starting to be able to walk again, here and there. I was waiting for a special episode to surprise everyone, but I guess the surprise is blown.

  • @jess.p
    @jess.p 2 года назад +1407

    Whoever kept hacking Zillian is hilarious. He doesn’t let him get away with anything 😂

    • @roxlife8173
      @roxlife8173 Год назад +2

      dude that guy was an asshole he new he actually needed the well chair before but still didn't say anything and just kept spreading hate.

    • @KerbalSpacey
      @KerbalSpacey Год назад +43

      i hope the hacker got some jail time 🚔

    • @roxlife8173
      @roxlife8173 Год назад +11

      @@KerbalSpacey me too.

    • @mikehawk2235
      @mikehawk2235 Год назад +30

      @@KerbalSpacey for what?

    • @icycrusader1947
      @icycrusader1947 Год назад +25

      @@mikehawk2235 Pretty sure it's illegal so a fine or jailtime is still realistic, doesn't mean I don't respect the hacker though.

  • @ComaToast712
    @ComaToast712 Год назад +222

    The biggest shock is that Twitch actually did something about this guy.

    • @imperialtrooper927
      @imperialtrooper927 Год назад

      Meanwhile they let the chick who literally fucked on stream get away with just a few weeks of suspensions. F-in assholes those people are

    • @emhean
      @emhean 9 месяцев назад +5

      Because it happened during the golden era of twitch, when twitch was good.

  • @Aeirion
    @Aeirion Год назад +6

    "My guy just got up and walked away." Those words have never held this much power.

  • @topspot4834
    @topspot4834 Год назад

    "Hey, I just met you, and this is crazy" will now be stuck in my head the remainder of the day!

  • @TheWholeEntireCake
    @TheWholeEntireCake 2 года назад +73

    What bothers me the most is how his loyal and lovingly supportive fans in the chat during the clip were genuinely concerned and worried when he said he fell out of his chair and couldn’t breathe. They were scared he badly injured himself during “the fall” by the frenzied “are you ok???” “You need some help!!” And “please call 911”. People who cared so much about you, your wellbeing and your success. You mistreated, manipulated and took advantage of your dedicated fans EMOTIONALLY which is worse than financially in my eyes. The same fans who dedicates hours and hours of their free time to watch your streams and cheered you on. You betrayed them and it was a slap in the face to your loyal supporters dude. THAT is the most disgusting aspect of this. You didn’t appreciate your fans.

  • @emilybryan1713
    @emilybryan1713 2 года назад +418

    The fact that people think people can’t walk if they use a wheelchair or they aren’t disabled if they walk is beyond me. I have a fractured spine and when it flares up I CANT walk whatsoever. I’d need a wheelchair or walker to be able to get from point a to point b, but I’m not paralyzed so is it not okay? Yeah he definitely frauded many, but wheelchair users aren’t always bound to their wheelchair unlike the worldwide internet belief

    • @Lethargic320
      @Lethargic320 2 года назад +29

      Id imagine some people are always going to be in a wheelchair him not talking about his recovery and staying in the wheelchair was the problem

    • @DeadpanVT
      @DeadpanVT 2 года назад +7

      There's multiple people that have a large variety of different disabilities that utilize the use of wheelchairs or walkers. It's just stupid this perspective that you mustn't be able to use your legs if you have a wheelchair like nah it doesn't even have to be your legs or spine affected it can be your nervous system or brain making walking inaccessible form of transportation. I've seen people with issues standing for long periods without fainting use them regularly.

    • @mikey9373
      @mikey9373 2 года назад +2

      Was just about to comment this, thanks

    • @jenniferchaulam
      @jenniferchaulam 2 года назад

      /yea, wheelchair users still can walk sometimes

    • @KiwiHavok777
      @KiwiHavok777 2 года назад

  • @thejoker38389
    @thejoker38389 Год назад +2

    Omg ur content is so addictive i love it

  • @therealdude707
    @therealdude707 Год назад +7

    I think the worst part was the attempt at gaslighting the audience. We saw him stand up!

  • @thegameplayer125
    @thegameplayer125 2 года назад +175

    it just goes to show that not being open enough about your struggles like he was can backfire immensely. imagine how different things could have been if he were more open about his issues with his injury outright rather than wait for several years after he obliterated his reputation to reveal the full context of his injury. quite sad really

    • @dreambrush7251
      @dreambrush7251 2 года назад +13

      the thing about being disabled is that it consumes most of your energy and you don't want to tell every detail about their personal struggle maybe as a coping mechanism. Disabled people already face discrimination and being left out everyday so I wouldn't be surprised if he just wanted to not go all out with his details for the sake of mental health.

    • @eliasdurl6830
      @eliasdurl6830 2 года назад +4

      @@dreambrush7251 If that was the case he couldve just said that in the interview. Why didn’t he when he does regard it as a mistake?

    • @oosmosmoo
      @oosmosmoo 2 года назад +2

      @@dreambrush7251 Well that.. and the extra money he was getting in sympathy donations.

    • @Zak-tk8wv
      @Zak-tk8wv 2 года назад

      lol

  • @ACasualSolo
    @ACasualSolo 2 года назад +84

    I've heard this story a thousand times but hearing it from a different person never gets boring. Well crafted video sir!

  • @mikazukiaugus3993
    @mikazukiaugus3993 9 месяцев назад +3

    He didnt feel remorse he felt bad that he chose the wrong story to tell his viewers to gain their trust and cash

    • @tomr6955
      @tomr6955 4 месяца назад +1

      He felt bad that he got caught. That's all.

  • @rabbithousemusic2784
    @rabbithousemusic2784 4 месяца назад

    I never have a disappoint when I'm watching SunnyV2

  • @JustAnotherBuckyLover
    @JustAnotherBuckyLover 2 года назад +406

    I would just like to point out here that the majority of wheelchair users aren't paralysed. That means that most of us can stand or even walk a short distance. That doesn't mean we're faking. I, personally, can't even use a wheelchair right now because I can't afford the cost of one that would recline enough or the adaptions that would be necessary to the house I live in, so I'm bedbound. But before my health diminished to this point, I was one of the majority of wheelchair users who are able to stand and walk with help for a short distance, Ambulant chair users are still disabled, not faking or exaggerating. Ableism ftw.

    • @sarahamira5732
      @sarahamira5732 2 года назад +43

      Exactly, how the fuck do people not know this

    • @frostpyr0
      @frostpyr0 2 года назад +26

      Whoa, dont apply logic to his clickbait title.
      He needs to throw this disabled persons reputation under the bus in order to get some clicks. Like jeeze

    • @isaacfleming7417
      @isaacfleming7417 2 года назад +32

      @@frostpyr0 i assume you didn't watch the video lmao

    • @neonbelly9491
      @neonbelly9491 2 года назад +10

      @@frostpyr0 this guy is a piece of work dude, dig deeper.

    • @Darkrezta
      @Darkrezta 2 года назад +31

      @@frostpyr0 the problem about this disabled person how actual shady he is about his supposed to be disability. when people found out he can actually walked on stream his girlfriend purposely tried to hide hide it instead actually being open that he might be ok walk in short distance but not ok for long distances. I am not sure throwing reputation under the bus part.

  • @illogicallogic2039
    @illogicallogic2039 2 года назад +87

    I had no idea that a lot of people in a wheel chair can actually walk a few steps until I watched "wheels2walking" channel addressing this matter.
    It can be a bit intimidating to walk in public or on stream since most people will jump to make fraud accusations

  • @dominykaszakrys3373
    @dominykaszakrys3373 3 месяца назад +1

    I always wonder what it's like to witness these kind of events live, it's like watching history unfold before your eyes...

  • @TheHEROFamily
    @TheHEROFamily Год назад

    I remember watching this clip on one of those GREATEST FAILS compilation videos.

  • @wrexvincent2192
    @wrexvincent2192 2 года назад +139

    To be utterly fair not everyone in a wheelchair is parapalegic. Even extensive nerve damage someone is capable of walking short distances, but ultimately a wheelchair is just a mobility aid. Like someone with glasses isnt completely blind.
    Still if his story was that he was completely incapable of walking I would be side eying this pretty badly

    • @thingdraw
      @thingdraw 2 года назад +13

      The problem is that he let his audience believe he wasn't capable of walking at all and that his disability was worse than it was in reality. Since he stood to benefit from not saying anything, it's lying by omission.
      The reaction during the initial stream of him walking clearly shows that this wasn't simply a case of not saying anything in good faith. (I.e privacy, struggling to open up, absent mindedness etc)

    • @IzayaTijisPrincess
      @IzayaTijisPrincess 2 года назад +2

      Even if he wasnt he cut the camera and told a fake story which without a doubt proves that he knew all along that it was fraud

    • @adamlambboy8332
      @adamlambboy8332 2 года назад +3

      I think people just assumed, which is stupid. Unless he clearly stated he could not get up, ever, it’s on the audience for making assumptions. However, he could have just said he can stand when he got up and came back. It didn’t have to be a big deal. Could’ve been a great moment to educate his audience on the spectrum of disabilities.

    • @oliver_twistor
      @oliver_twistor 2 года назад +1

      @@adamlambboy8332 I agree. I don't think it's suspicious per se to not disclose your physical therapy progress. As a disabled person myself, I completely get not wanting the entire internet know about your struggles. If he had acted like it was no big deal and told the truth then and there, none of this would have happened. I would guess that 99 % of his viewers would be very happy learning that he now can walk. The other 1 % percent that would be pissed aren't worth his time anyway.

  • @jovedo27
    @jovedo27 2 года назад +151

    He put the cam down, lied in the chat afterwards and to every1, he immediately deleted the subscribers comments that were calling him out, changed his appearance, didn't give updates.... and more.
    People saying he didn't lie, just didn't update that he was getting better... no, this is straight up fraud. It's one thing to not want to give updates, it's another when you go so far to lie and tell a fake story.

    • @kizz5012
      @kizz5012 2 года назад +4

      My thoughts exactly

    • @J5L5M6
      @J5L5M6 2 года назад

      Word up, these people are naive as fuck. carrying water for a charlatan, pffft!

    • @challengeyourmind3937
      @challengeyourmind3937 2 года назад +8

      He's a fraudster lmao

    • @roxlife8173
      @roxlife8173 Год назад +1

      the internt is an unforgiving place.

    • @catscanhavelittleasalami
      @catscanhavelittleasalami Год назад +2

      Exactly, people really are way too forgiving.

  • @fumblingvase6626
    @fumblingvase6626 Год назад

    Yo sunny Please continue making these videos! Lysm.

  • @WildAtHeart728
    @WildAtHeart728 11 месяцев назад +3

    Totally disgusting. There’s people with actual disabilities that people treat like shit.

  • @OmegaMacling
    @OmegaMacling 2 года назад +50

    I can imagine at the time, especially since it was 2013, when he started getting better, he might have felt threatened that he himself was too linked as the wheelchair streamer brand and didn't know how to disconnect himself from it or show that he was going trough change and kinda just stayed with it

    • @arrogantbandit1
      @arrogantbandit1 2 года назад +10

      He explains it in Waves interview.
      Was a time where sharing personal info on the internet wasn't a smart thing tot do.
      He took that too far by not sharing anything.

    • @novaangle2183
      @novaangle2183 2 года назад +2

      @@arrogantbandit1 LMAO that's a dumb excuse. A nice excuse too. He shows he's in a wheelchair and talks about it, making it a big part of his stream, which is a very personal thing and yet when he gets better and can walk he tries to hide it because... recovery is too personal? No wonder people slurp up his lies easily when he still can manipulate people with really dumb stories that make no sense like that.

    • @arrogantbandit1
      @arrogantbandit1 2 года назад +2

      @@novaangle2183 I'm just saying what he said. Up to you to believe him.

    • @TheWoollyFrog
      @TheWoollyFrog 2 года назад

      @@arrogantbandit1 He took that too far by not sharing anything... for monetary gain.*

  • @luviam0001
    @luviam0001 2 года назад +73

    I get the whole being in a wheelchair while being able to walk. One of my classmates is in a wheelchair but can walk, although she has a hard time walking as her legs are pretty weak. She mostly uses her wheelchair but is definitely capable of walking.

    • @awkwardpotato2896
      @awkwardpotato2896 2 года назад +7

      Exactly. A lot of people I know who use wheelchairs have autoimmune diseases where they can use their legs but not for very long which is why they need the wheelchair. I use a cane as of now and I hate every second of it bc I know the second I stop putting my weight on it and pick it up to get it out of the way of someone, someone in my family is going to call me a faker. I have weak bones from years of abuse bc of some of them on top of an immune disease we are trying to figure out.

  • @jazzhands6055
    @jazzhands6055 Год назад +2

    Eh, to be fair there are many people who may be able to walk around a little but still need their wheelchairs.
    And as for the girlfriend’s reaction, there’s a usually a lag or delay on stream, so it wouldn’t make sense for her to react instantly…

  • @crackpiemilkbar2889
    @crackpiemilkbar2889 5 месяцев назад +5

    If he wasnt a scammer why didnt he admit he could walk somewhat instead of lying about falling over?? He was hoping to scam money FOREVER! HE IS VILE!!!!

  • @Name-se3lf
    @Name-se3lf 2 года назад +23

    Wow, I saw the ZilianOP saga unfold live, feels like a million years ago now

  • @Brotherkiller17
    @Brotherkiller17 2 года назад +22

    Im hooked on this content like a drug, waiting for the next video to come out and completely shutting every one out till the videos are over, i love this content

  • @Ribbital
    @Ribbital Год назад +15

    I feel like he just wanted a wheel chair so he has an excuse not to have a gaming chair

  • @lukeyboxmuncher822
    @lukeyboxmuncher822 8 месяцев назад +1

    Still feels scummy the way he ends that stream. He knows his audience saw him stand up and yet instead of explaining he just abruptly pushes the camera down and shuts the stream off. He knew he was withholding information for his benefit and once he was caught reacted, and because of that I don’t have much remorse for him

  • @nafereuskortex9055
    @nafereuskortex9055 2 года назад +91

    He diddnt "forget" to update people he actively avoided it. When he got put of the chair and walked around he immediately tried to hide it, he diddnt say yeah I have limited mobility he said he fell, he said he was still completely disabled.

    • @SiberianIce2022
      @SiberianIce2022 Год назад +4

      @@CaraCreations1000 Well, I suppose when they start profiting off their disability.

    • @retanoab
      @retanoab Год назад

      @@CaraCreations1000 It's not about having to disclose every single personal detail about their lives. It's about intentionally misleading his audience for profit.
      As soon as he stood up, his girlfriend let out a clearly distraught OMG and started to stutter through a distraction story. He turned the camera away, ended the stream and proceeded to gaslight his chat. He deliberately deleted comments on the matter.
      Yes, you're right, people make mistakes in stressful situations. But if it's just a matter of not mentioning his progress in therapy or his ability to walk, why was this situation stressful in the first place? They immediately panicked - both of them. They knew he screwed up his act, meaning they were actively trying to hide the fact that he could walk.

    • @fabiodastolfo1207
      @fabiodastolfo1207 Год назад

      @@CaraCreations1000 Dude, ahm, i have a bridge to sell. Wanna make me any offer?

    • @fabiodastolfo1207
      @fabiodastolfo1207 Год назад

      @@CaraCreations1000 If you dont understand that he purposfully omit that part in order to gain money... again, i have a bridge to sell.
      jeeze kryst people like you are the reason why i have my spam folder full of scams.

    • @bulletium5163
      @bulletium5163 Год назад

      @@CaraCreations1000 he still lied to his viewers

  • @pjplayz5448
    @pjplayz5448 2 года назад +9

    I like how this guy straight up gets to the point, instead of plugging some crappy giveaway or sponsor for the first 15 minutes of the video, you earnt a sub man!

  • @liltech-9677
    @liltech-9677 10 месяцев назад +2

    This guy never said he was disabled tho, he clearly just said he was in a car accident and in a wheel chair but not forever

  • @badnewzbandits
    @badnewzbandits Год назад

    Wow I really enjoyed this video kept me entertained the entire way through. 1:20 was a great part.

  • @pigeonwheels7207
    @pigeonwheels7207 2 года назад +173

    As a 24 year old who legitimately broke his back at 21 and had a major spinal cord injury (T6-T7 complete) I went from a 21 year old machinist who forged his own path in life to a wheelchair bound. I cannot express how angry this makes me and disrespectful it is to the SCI community.

    • @AlreadyShort
      @AlreadyShort 2 года назад +2

      yeah no kidding

    • @Ashley__Rose
      @Ashley__Rose 2 года назад +14

      What makes me angry is the asspats he’s now getting and the people making excuses for him

    • @zacdavid184
      @zacdavid184 Год назад +1

      @@Ashley__Rose SERIOUSLY

    • @SiberianIce2022
      @SiberianIce2022 Год назад +4

      I think that the deceit is what really pisses me off. I have plates, screws....in the neck and back...I also wear braces, and have some sort of electric stimulator implanted in my back (hate the battery pack under my skin). but it keeps me from having to take as strong opiads.....got my car placard and can BARELY survive off the benefits. I don't know how he can live with himself. I really don't see in advantage in being disabled...it really is like I am not even there. I do everything in my power not to use my wheelchair....I can walk, just really slow. And when I do accidently fall; it is always spectacular.😅

    • @Anonymous-54545
      @Anonymous-54545 Год назад

      ​@@SiberianIce2022 i'm severely disabled too from age 25. spontaneous total disability is not the experience of most disabled people or chair users and expecting others to conform to your experience is a mistake.

  • @EsOne4200
    @EsOne4200 2 года назад +36

    The fact he turned his camera away when he stood up shows he knew what he was doing. Whether or not he was "originally" faking it or not, he continued to put on the act because he knew what it got him and he took advantage of it. I feel the fact that he *did* need it for a bit of time is moot. Point is he still lied to benefit himself. He don't feel bad about doing it, he feels bad he got caught.

  • @technomage6736
    @technomage6736 Год назад

    "Did some squats tonight"
    Omg love the trolling! 😆👌

  • @chigookafor710
    @chigookafor710 Месяц назад +2

    you should always update your fans when you're feeling better just so they don't start hating you and think you're trying to scam them

  • @mike48931
    @mike48931 Год назад +107

    What’s crazy to me is that if he had truly been recovering during the time he was streaming, that would’ve drawn people in too. People love to have someone to root for. If he had just been open and honest he could’ve still had potential to be a big streamer.

    • @encycl07pedia-
      @encycl07pedia- Год назад +1

      Yeah, but as soon as he's better, he's not getting nearly enough of the "unwarranted guilt" money. I'm not sure why humanity has evolved and thought that people with physical "d--abilities" are worthy of charity. Being in a wheelchair vs. being in a gamer chair and people having to read some chat or description to find out he used to be crippled is a big difference in income from suckers.

    • @hombre6604
      @hombre6604 Год назад +1

      @@encycl07pedia- because it’s hard for them to get a job. that’s at least why for me. if they can’t get a job then streaming might be their only source of income for the moment thus if i can afford it then i will donate.

    • @encycl07pedia-
      @encycl07pedia- Год назад

      @@hombre6604 Are you kidding me? It's not the 1700s. It's not any harder to sit at a desk whether you can or can't walk. Sure, maybe you're not a telephone poll inspector or a mover. But lots of "abled" people don't qualify for those jobs, either.
      How about you give money to the homeless who obviously have trouble getting and keeping a job and are in much more dire financial straits instead of some d-bag who can afford to sit around at home playing video games?

  • @SpectralBlizzard
    @SpectralBlizzard 2 года назад +10

    2:49 I am so glad he finally stood up for himself

  • @jlincoln7410
    @jlincoln7410 Год назад +7

    I think his gf's reaction speaks volumes. It was like oh shit we're caught. If he was just getting better, I don't think she would have reacted the way she did. She wouldn't have hardly noticed

  • @Alienboi2005vidsandstuff
    @Alienboi2005vidsandstuff 6 месяцев назад +1

    2:48 Look at that, his legs have just magically healed within seconds!

  • @ItsBlooish
    @ItsBlooish 2 года назад +46

    I appreciate you doing your research in full and enjoyed the commentary. It's crazy still seeing videos made about me to be honest however I'm glad there is some clarity out there. I was wrong for not letting people know my recovery progress and is something i feel bad for to this day.

    • @toystar3294
      @toystar3294 2 года назад +5

      everyone makes mistakes. don’t beat yourself up

    • @veltronix1258
      @veltronix1258 2 года назад

      No cap on god you were on a wheelchair before 🤔🤨🧐💀💀♿♿♿

    • @soccerchick1
      @soccerchick1 2 года назад

      It’s called maturing, learning and growing man, just sucks that the internet takes away your ability to do all that in private without the risk of major life changing back lash. As someone with an invisible disability I can understand why you weren’t fully forth coming with everything going on with your health. Honestly it’s no one’s business and everyone’s gonna take it different. You can’t control how much people suck and how stupid they are. Good on you for doing the work involved in therapy and trying to bring awareness that not all wheelchair users are completely unable to walk. There’s so many stereotypes around disabilities and it’s not your job to debunk and reeducate every single one/person you come in contact with. You’ll just burn yourself out. Do you man.

  • @nophion2-electricboogaloo647
    @nophion2-electricboogaloo647 2 года назад +449

    Interesting story. Im happy to see that there were mistakes on his part but no outright malice.

    • @frostpyr0
      @frostpyr0 2 года назад +19

      His mistake was daring to heal. He should have stayed unable to walk for the rest of his life 😠
      Am i getting this right?

    • @alexd9134
      @alexd9134 2 года назад +44

      @@frostpyr0 you're wrong his mistake were the lies and cover ups. For example commenting how he was in pain due to the "fall". Why are you defending this lol

    • @nophion2-electricboogaloo647
      @nophion2-electricboogaloo647 2 года назад +11

      @@frostpyr0 The Mistake was to keep his mostly healed state a secret because being wheelchair bound was somewhat integral to his brand.

    • @Blakee8288
      @Blakee8288 2 года назад

      r/wooosh all three of y'all

    • @frostpyr0
      @frostpyr0 2 года назад +7

      @@nophion2-electricboogaloo647 This isnt at all what was happening. People seen the clip of a supposed "Wheelchair bound" person walking, and all just ASSUMED he was intentionally misinforming his audience.
      He never said he will always be in a wheelchair, nor did he say he wasnt getting better. Youre assigning intent that was never there just so you can be upset about a person you know nothing about.

  • @gabby_5820
    @gabby_5820 Год назад +2

    The hacker: "They called me a madman.."

  • @summonedskullsays6103
    @summonedskullsays6103 Год назад +24

    I still can't believe he did this! What a terrible person!

    • @Sagehero21
      @Sagehero21 11 месяцев назад +2

      He didn't. Did you watch the whole video?

  • @daboss6197
    @daboss6197 2 года назад +31

    he didnt "mismanage" shit. When he was better he purposefully hid that. Thats why his girlfriend said OMG and he hid the camera. Because he WANTED to keep the lie going. He just lied

  • @Shazam1998
    @Shazam1998 2 года назад +137

    I feel like people in the comments dont really get the point. Saying "people in wheelchairs can usually walk a bit so idk what your guys problem is" isnt an argument since he didnt portray himself in that way. He actively said and implied that he couldnt walk at all, when clearly after a while of recovery he absolutely could, and he did not update his audience at all. Being handicapped doesnt mean you can suddenly get away with more stuff then another person. Thats like a cancer patient still taking donation money for treatment months after their cancer has been succesfully cured.

    • @DontRightlyCare
      @DontRightlyCare 2 года назад +8

      Exactly! Hit the nail on the head.

    • @cosmicbilly
      @cosmicbilly 2 года назад +14

      Okay but his viewer's aren't entitled to every detail about his life and recovery.
      The reason he didnt show himself walking was probably because he knew that everyone would jump to conclusions and accuse him of faking a disability. And thats exactly what happened.
      People jumped and accused him of faking his entire disability.
      People just assume they are entitled to every detail about his life because they watch his streams and its honestly weird.
      Theres tons of people in wheelchairs who are able to walk and stand yet they dont tell every stranger on the internet the extent of their disability or ability to walk or not.
      It's none of the viewers business to know his recovery process and are not entitled to be updated on his ability to walk or not.

    • @richarddoe5674
      @richarddoe5674 2 года назад +27

      @@cosmicbilly To be honest, I'm 50/50 on this one. I agree that viewers definitely aren't entitled to *every* detail of his life, but when it comes to donations, people should at least get some kind of update even if it isn't necessarily good news.

    • @Shazam1998
      @Shazam1998 2 года назад +30

      @@cosmicbilly That would be a fair point if he hadn't very often implied and said that he is still permanently bound to his wheelchair. It has nothing to do with entitlement when he is knowingly not disclosing his process and still taking the donations in full knowledge of it, his viewers are absolutely entitled to know about his recovery status if he is actively advertising himself as wheelchair bound and has been taking money in spite of that.

    • @CabbageYe
      @CabbageYe 2 года назад +16

      @@cosmicbilly no he literally did it to milk donations. In that case he's obligated to tell them the truth

  • @jjsadventurejohnson5695
    @jjsadventurejohnson5695 9 месяцев назад +2

    Cant imagine how the supports must of felt

  • @callofdutyMobileFranky
    @callofdutyMobileFranky Месяц назад +2

    Reminds me of my coworker, claims to be the best worker but takes 5+ bathroom breaks a day that last over 20 minutes each time, yells at citizens who don't have their health phi ready, and looks patients up on Facebook while talking to them. Arrives every day late, leaves early most days. I work at the state health department in Oklahoma. I've reported it to HR for over two years because we are the only two taking calls for the entire state health department immunization service and I'm the only one of the phones 90% of the time. I've worked here for three years and this person has also worked here for three years and they refuse to punish this person, I think because they identify as the opposite gender and have clear mental issues. Also the top manager, Paula Deyell, is this person's grandmother. That's probably why this person, Jane Bard, will never be fired for anything.
    Jane also has fake tourrettes. It makes random noises all day long specifically to annoy me then anytime anyone else comes into the immunizations office, Jane immediately stops making noises the entire time they are there then starts as soon as its only us in the room. When I first started working here, we all went out to a bar, the entire department with all the other offices and Jane didn't make a single noise the entire 5 hours we were there. I hate this person so so sooo much. Our manager Matt McLean is buddy buddy with Jane and Paula and I'm the odd one out, aka the conservative and they're democrats. They can't fire me and they refuse to fire Jane, so we're stuck together.

  • @mrman949
    @mrman949 2 года назад +36

    As someone with actual paralysis and a T2 spinal cord injury. I find it amazing that he regained total control after 2 years with a disability severe enough for him to be 100% dependent on a wheelchair. Neurotrauma is progressive and the longer that therapy takes the less chance of recovery there is. And after that there should be some residual effect in standing up. I do not believe he was ever 100% dependent on a wheelchair. He may have struggled HEAVILY to walk for a time and slowly worked his way into building the new neural pathways you need to recover, but I don’t believe the total disability story it is very rare that someone like that recovers so well or even at all. Would need to know more about the spinal injury though like how low it was and whether they had to do anything like a fusion or replacement though.

    • @SiberianIce2022
      @SiberianIce2022 Год назад

      Nervs never won't fully ever regenerate. I can barely bend.....trust me....those things never go away. Hence, my braces, walker, and or wheelchair & my spinal stimulator.. I sort of can see his reluctance to be honest just from personal experience.....getting a job has been very challenging. Most employers I found really won't in their eyes higher a shuffling risk...due to the pain being chronic I can only control so much of it. But......omission of truth does not justify the lie!

    • @bfrehksdhf
      @bfrehksdhf Год назад +7

      People need to take a closer look at his previous "disability", those photos he posted on Facebook, and the people around him that seem to be now covering for him.
      He clearly never had a disability and found a way to come up with a fake backstory now.

    • @tiffanyhilgendorf3356
      @tiffanyhilgendorf3356 Год назад

      Agree 100

    • @nautgamingnautgaming9949
      @nautgamingnautgaming9949 Год назад +1

      @@SiberianIce2022 omission of the truth is a LIE
      it's an underhanded lie actually

    • @nautgamingnautgaming9949
      @nautgamingnautgaming9949 Год назад +2

      Think about where this MONEY SHOULD HAVE GONE INSTEAD
      Someone who couldn't walk, someone who has brain damaged, an old grandma in a nursing home, a kid who cant afford food in a 3rd world country, etc etc
      Instead it went to that CONMAN stealing money from the people who needed it
      DUSPICABLE AND SHOULD BE IN PRISON