Does FIRE make a SWORD Cut BETTER?!
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- Опубликовано: 11 сен 2024
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Todays episode we try to find a answer to a common pop-culture question does Fire make a sword cut better? from demon slayer , LOTR , hellboy and countless others do fire swords work?
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1:16 "Swords are very effective at what they do so why would you need the fire" Well how else am I supposed to overcome enemy Regeneration huh?
Flaming sword users are so kind: they disinfect any wounds their opponents may suffer and safe their lives.
Well its not very nice of them to drop a safe on their lives.
If your flameswOrd cuts and carterize the wound, then your foe can’t complain about bleeding so much.
If your flameswOrd cuts and carterize the wound, then your foe can’t complain about bleeding so much.
@@BVidwatcher so true
They also hurt like hell. Morr than even a normal cut.
It is so wonderful to see Nate again. Shadiversity has not been the same without him. On the topic of a flaming sword, I don't think a sword just being on fire is going to make it more lethal. The blade would have to be hot enough to glow to get any real tangible benefits from the flame. But that alone would cause a whole host of problems.
I absolutely agree, why hasn't nate been on there for a while
I feel like fire on a sword would actually damage the integrity of the blade.
@@TheSket Totally, it does look cool though, it would probably be absolutely terrifying in the battlefield. So what ends up happening is you need your enemy to run away or you just end up fighting with a sword shaped bar of metal.
Nate had to get a normie job because of the ad money being really bad now. He got a good offer, so left for financial reasons.
@@Jimalcoatl thx
We miss nate. This video made me smile from ear to ear like a fool. It's funny how we develop relationships with some creators-we don't know them personally, but if they disappear, we miss them, and when they reappear, they make us smile.
That's just parasociality.
This actually made me question how badly the heated blades in Rebel Moon would function. Though less distracting with no flames, the heat would surely affect the blade itself.!
Oh yeah if it’s steel of any kind the heat will effect the blade however it does seem the heat itself does add some small amount of extra lethality
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I think the primary use of a flaming sword would be intimidation factor. If it's not making your opponent scared its probably not worth it.
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I am 68% sure that a Titanium-nickel-palladium alloy can be made into a sword that can cut through iron, the sword will be 90°c for a minimum of 10 years just because of the fluctuating crystal structure and it can self heal so its an added bonus
Proposed Alloy Composition:
Titanium (Ti): 45-55 wt%
Nickel (Ni): 40-50 wt%
Palladium (Pd): 5-10 wt%
How hard is this alloy compared to mild steel?
Well, the question is... what are the actual properties of the alloy?
It needs to be either rigid enough to withstand more than steel (to avoid bending), or have enough spring to return to form.
Self healing sounds good... but what are the details? Is it a spring property where even bends will eventually be corrected, or can it actually mend cracks or breaks by re-attaching the split bonds?
As for cutting through iron, I presume that means it can hold a sharper edge, and better resists the impacts of combat... with the intent being 'cut through an opposing iron sword'... as 'cut through an iron bar or ingot' would be much harder.
But then, does cutting through iron matter... when swords are steel? How would it fair against a steel sword?
And yet another matter... what sort of scabbard would be needed if the sword is always 90°C? I mean, I would not be carrying that sort of sword on my person at all times. Keep it in a case, with venting so it doesn't build up heat... and transport that case carefully by cart, or special harness that puts distance between it and the creature carrying it.
@@EsperologistI think the temperature thing is about the range of temperatures the alloy is in a particular crystal structure. Most alloys change their properties when their structure changes, and some have pretty sharp temperature limits for those structures.
Tiny amounts of elements can have drastic effects on alloy properties. For instance rhenium makes steels enormously tougher at less than one percent by weight without affecting hardness. The proposed alloy might or might not benefit from rhenium, it’s just a thought. Also, rhenium is horrendously expensive. Rhenium steels are used in some military turbine blades where resistance to damage is a high priority.
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Rough calculations:
Tensile Strength: 800 - 1200 MPa (exceeding high-carbon steel)
Hardness: 45-55 HRC (Rockwell C scale)
Transition Temperature: ~32°C (90°F) for self-healing activation
Shape Memory and Superelastic Recovery: >8% strain
Also if it does break just clean it and press the pieces back together
And here I was about to suggest tungsten
the one thing you didnt test was cloth lighting on fire.... I.e. tunics under armor and such.
Especially back in the day when the peasants clothes were likely oil sodden.
You know what I love about this channel. Yes the topics are awesome, the practice great fun, but its watching Tyranth living his best life is what.
13:33 You could say it's a "two-edged sword"
I wonder if the reason it performed better with a bevel than a sharpened edge is because of the softness of the steel, the sharpened edge being perhaps so small and weak due to the heat that it would just lose any effective edge too quickly. While on the other hand the bevel although not sharp its shape can be easily maintained so that what 'edge' it has isn't lost. Just a guess though.
They are in the middle of winter while I’m sweating my butt off in Texas in August. Crazy world
Dang I missed Nate, good to see him again
First thought, can you make an electric sword? One that won't shock the user?
put a tazer on a plastic rapier hilt
@@marcusc9931 I was wondering if using rubber as a wrap for the handle would work, and something to keep you from bumping the cross guard
Like a high frequency blade?
And call it “Shocker ? What is pro wrestling “ 😂
That would be extremely dangerous. To both you and your opponent. A few amps can stop hearts. One touch and you're done.
Was a cool fight scene in Ultra Violet! and Milla Jovovich is hot... pun intended! LOL
Always fun to see Nate appear on the channel 😊
a possible reason is that when the sword is blocked, the oil could fly into the enemy, burning their skin, the pain would weaken their body, giving you some advantage, or it could hit the eyes, blinding the enemy
the heat of burning oil on your iron armor should be enough to make you protection become a oven, this would hurt and i can't imagine fighting while my skin burns
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You should test incandescent weapons next. There's a lot of glowing orange hot weapons in media, sometimes it's the whole thing, sometimes it's just the edge, though I don't really know how the later could be replicated IRL.
You would need to make it from a giant ribbon of niobium or something. Not a cheap project.
@@Ithirahad Why niobium, of all things?
NATEEE!!! We miss you! And Australia and winter? Thats just any day in spring for the rest of the planet.
I could imagine it having use if your opponent was doused in a flammable liquid
If you're doing a fire shield use pineapple skins for protection and coat the outside in a flammable substance. But pineapple is incredibly fire resistant
I can't shake the feeling that the handle would start getting really hot as the blade heats up.
A flaming spear seems to be more sensible than a flaming sword. No idea if something like that has become an iconic weapon in any kind of media.
I mean kinda spears can iconic like gungnir, and I would put that on fire so maybe it’s deserves a episode at some point haha
Not a wooden spear though
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This man has the best job in the world. Thank you, for helping all of us Dads out there. Your videos have been pivotal to answering the random questions my sons as me. As a father, I pride myself on making my childing think I know everything. *"Hey Dad, if a sword is on fire would it cut better"* is a question I'm sure I've been asked countless times. This, as well as several of your other videos have allowed me to continue my façade of being the worlds most knowledgeable father.
I put this one off for a bit because he already did fire swords, but I'm glad I watched it now. I loved that he had a special guest on this one.
In your last shadaversity video when you swing at the chain. The sounds you generate while swinging was pure majesty
edge alignment seems like a nightmare with so much fire
Also wearing a large fireproof mitt makes it a lot harder than it looks to feel the indexing haha
I feel like this requires a side by side fire bevel sword vs. plain bevel sword in order for a proper comparison. Would still be absolutely terrifying to be attacked by someone wielding a fire sword.
Honestly I think the biggest advantage IRL would be the intimidation factor, much more likely to hesitate when it's a flaming anything coming at your head. Hesitation is death, it is known
it does have an intimidation factor to it. like imagine you're just some warrior in battle doing what warriors do, and then suddenly a guy with a flaming sword comes towards you. you'd think it's some demon from hell that has risen to claim your soul or something like that
5:39 "I'm not an expert swordsman"
Hello so I would like to suggest o weapon to test out and that would be the Halo energy sword another suggestion because the energy sword is an elite weapon maybe you could do one sword with a human handle and then the other one with the elite handle and your channel is so dope it honestly makes my day when you post a video
You have to get the steel pretty hot before it will effect the heat treatment, nearly glowing.
You can actually see the micro-structure of the steel change as you heat it up because the color changes.
I feel a flaming blades main strength would be prolonged contact. Not laying against them, but something like 1-2 seconds of contact per strike. Sure your wounds would be partially cauterized, but the potential damage internally, with the heat preventing any proper treatment would be *crazy* with a heated weapon.
Great test, glad to see Nate join even if it was so you could use his fire sword.
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if i may note, just to add this in here, on the meat, the blackening on the meat i don't think is charring, and instead just soot build up on the blade, rubbing off onto the meat.
Fire swords you say? Hm.
*watching intensifies*
Saw a design for a shield with a bellows and a torch. Soo could compress the bellows by bringing the shield in and throw hot ash and fibers a short distance
I would have liked to see a comparison of a sharp sword on that frozen pork.
For a flaming sword to be useful you would need 2 specific properties one the flame can not touch the blade or there is a constantly supply of fresh fuel. A old stage magic trick of setting your hand on fire for example uses plain old isopropyl of a high percentage. It is easy to put out and you know when to put it out as you will feel your hand getting warm. When you first light it your hand gets cooler as the hot air goes up and draws in cool air. So as long as there is always more fuel being added the blade will if any thing get a little cooler. And the second thing is the burning fuel needs to transfer from the blade to the target. You hit on those 2 things and even a slight glancing blow can become a very serious threat even if the blade does not bite in to flesh the clothing or gambeson could be lit on fire worse yet if it is under the armor and on fire by the time they get the armor off they are well and truly screwed and in mid evil times that would have meant death
Not sure if someone already said that but the blades of Karl Ruprecht Kroenen from Hell Boy maybe would be also an cool idea to make
Don't be a baby Tyranth,you're just having typical Scottish weather 🌧🏴
Cool to see Nate back for a video!!
For comparison, I kinda want to see the fire sword used... but without fire.
Could that sword profile do that same performance without the flame?
It really does need that control comparison to better gauge if the flames actually did anything. Because, to me, it didn't look like the fire did anything except when the edge was rubbed against a surface or the swing was stopped in the material.
Like the pool noodles... they started melting during extended contact, but the swings had brief contact.
The pork on the other hand, swings would be stopped by it so the contact was extended and allowing the fire time to singe.
Makes me wonder if you’ll eventually test out Johnny Blaze aka Ghost Rider’s chains which are also on fire. 💀🔥🏍️
Flaming chains wrapping around an opponent (or whipping them) kinda feels way more effective than flaming sword.
I'm signed about my fire sword you know limiting my own vision increasing my own visibility to potential enemy bowmen, making things more difficult for me to wield, limited in actual use case.
I guess if you're inside in an environment that's not terribly damp with no fear of ranged opponents and rapid regeneration of the target is concerned you might have found a potential use case for them.
Can't wait to see what Tyranth has to say here today. (And always nice to see the various guests/assistants).
I think the idea was that extreme hot blade make it cut better, not fire itself.
Thanks for the new video !!!😊
Ah, winter, that sounds great right now...
The idea of using a fire sword not for adding to attack but for shock value/ distraction could be if not super useful at least narratively interesting. Or putting something like flour on the sword lighting it and then flicking it at your opponent before attacking as a distraction. Not necessarily useful but more logical than just hot sword. Tho I suppose at that point you could just throw sand at your opponents face.
Another small thing is it is a torch at the same time. IE going into a cave in D&D you have your shield in one hand and your flaming sword in ther other you can still see and will not need a 3rd arm to hold a torch for light.
9:08 Testing that out on water bottles was actually VERY unfair, since water has an absolutely absurd ability to absorb heat. You could have put that bottle directly into a rolling campfire and it wouldn't burn until enough of the water had boiled out. Heck, before the invention of cooking vessels people used to boil things in hide stretched over a fire. Again it wouldn't burn at all as long as there was enough water in it.
We truly love seeing Nate on here!!
To solve the temper issue, use tungsten, you just need to figure out how to overcome the weight issue
I would like to see the damage comparison of the fire blade vs. Meat with, and without, the flames. I think the majority of the damage was just from the somewhat dull blade.
Tyranth just became Thundarr the barbarian.
I honestly think the majority of a fire sword’s advantage comes from fear and flinch. Even on a block, fire is going to rain on you from the other sword, it’s more about morale than actual damage.
That of course means that landing a strike is easier, or getting them to shit their pants as you approach is giving the fire user an advantage to cause more damage more easily.
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A flaming sword at nighttime or in a dark place. Is like discharging a firearm in a dark place. You're gonna blind you yourself and your opponent.
2:09 Haven't been following the content for Alec Steele for a while, but I'm glad he's being recognized
Great to see Nate again.
It’s not a better sword bc it’s on fire, but it’s a lot more scary and intimidating
OH MY GOODNESS!! I WAS NOT EXPECTING NATE TO APPEAR!!
Love seeing Nate again.
Great vid!!! You should do the sword of Azrael from DC.
Do you make these vids in the Shadlands... It just kinda reminds me of parts of it.
Maybe not. Just wondering
Now make a water sword. A sword that has small holes and constantly leaks water from inside the blade. See if it lubricates the cut.
Hoping this doesn’t mean Nate’s departure was related to shad, but cool test! From a nerdy perspective, Game of thrones described the post-blade of a fire sword gimmick to be an absolute wreck, hence Gendry mentioning thy at the red priest bought many a blade and in bulk before Performing such a feat. That said, I imagine the “heat-metal” version of a flame sword to be the vastly superior of the two concepts. Outside of magical fire which frankly isn’t feasible.
Any steel you “charged” red hot would likely warp on contact with a harder target but the damage for soft targets like the pool noodles or maybe even T-mats would be devastating.
Keep it up T-Dog!
From memory, from their video saying goodbye to Nate... Nate left on good terms with all of them because he simply didn't have the time anymore. He got a different (corporate?) job that paid way more then Shad could possibly hope to pay... And even before that, Nate was only working with Shad part time.
So, this video was probably Tyranth saying "hey, do you have a Saturday free?" and Nate just saying "yeah, I have this Saturday free".
Good to see Nate again.
Miss Nate alot )):, lots of love from here
would an ice sword, actually work, since elemental weapons are becoming a thing.
A very nice video. Thanks!
Yay! Nate is back!
I forgot yall were Australian, so its winter overthere
Beginning to wonder if Nate and Shad had a falling out.
I'd say a fire sword can be very brilliant, if it is used correctly and specifically as a piercing weapon.
I would be curious to see what the bevel does alone for the sake of comparison
I think off hand torch wielding is better. swing that blinding thing in your enemy's face and still see where your own weapon is.
I think we can all agree that this is the exact reason why fire swords use magical fire. Cause normal fire swords is not the beast idea😂
That is one way to cook dinner
So fire swords actually cut better (sometimes). Interesting. I expected the fire to be totally useless since its not in contact with the target for too long, but yeah, could be considered that it adds crit chance to your weapon.
well, a steel blade being put constantly in high temperature would make it maleable on repeating impacts. and sword fights would have a lot of clashings. it wont make it easier to cut the colder opponent sword since it will be harder and in a more resilient state than the burning one, but its instead vice versa, it would make the sword on fire get itself damaged beyond believe. i think its bad bad idea. unless if its all about buttering the breads. now thats a different situation.
Fire doesn't add coolness silly, fire is hot.
I wonder how this would compare to the bajillion degree knife vs X type of videos.
Can you do wolverine's claws using the Deadpool method? If you know, you know what I'm talking about.
Good to see nate again :)
Gonna be honest...even in pop culture I've only really have seen 1 'fire sword' that was very lethal mostly due to the flames and that'd be the Blazing Sword Alphen uses in the video game Tale of Arise. Granted there's no way to really make that one work in real life as it's 100% magic based in the game...the other cool part though was showing you how dangerous such a sword would be for the user as well (and why you need a dedicated magic healer in the party at all times lol). Granted said 'blazing sword' looks more like a blazing blunt sword shaped stick/staff more so than an actual sword though when you actually see it.
As for the blazing sword concept though it's less so that the fire aids in cutting in any way imo and more so produces a fear factor/secondary danger of igniting the opponent more than anything else.
The only real cases of fire swords in pop culture/myths really having the fire help in cutting is whenever I see the blade outright turn red due to extreme heat more or less burning or more specifically melting things as they 'cut' into it (or the above example with Alphen and the Blazing Sword in Tales of Arise). Basically it's more superheated metal than fire swords most of the time (same concept of a fire poker I guess which if you leave in flames will heat it up to the point it could probably pierce through quite a few things its stabbed into).
Personally I'd say if you involve fire into a weapon's kit it should just be via fire arrows, turning a live torch into a weapon (get it in someone's face and they're screwed as their vision will almost certainly get compromised or if the flames graze any part of their body they could catch fire, and other existing based fire weapons (melee or ranged)...real life fire swords have the flames get way too close to yourself to be a smart idea (torches while also melee are usually burning at the opposite end of what you're holding and I guess in theory you could make a spear like torch work too for additional range...granted in all cases of having a fire weapon you need to be careful/be ready to put the flames out with something in case something went wrong).
Heyy!! The boys are back together!!
I would rather have a fire mace. Ideally, I would also be immune to fire before using a fire weapon.
The Hacksmith made a flaming sword and it was pretty strong
Flaming swords are really just the worst kind of light saber.
Your winter is definitely warmer than mine. Winter in my area involves six months of snow. Well, four now because of global warming.
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Tyranth rolls nat 20 flaming blunt sword +5 result goblin cleaved in half. How many hp does goblin have left? None it's in two and well done.