DEATH Sickles! Puss in Boots, How good are they?
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Todays Video Lets have a look at something from puss in boots last wish Deaths sickles? How good are they really?
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While sickles weren’t purpose built to be weapons they’re still be relatively effective.
12:00 my reasoning as to why death uses a impractical weapon; he’s quite literally death itself and as death, theres nothing in the universe that could even hope to fight him, he can kill whatever, whenever, so why would he need a weapon at all? Its not a weapon but a tool to harvest souls.
Aaaaah but here is the rub; Death, traditionally, does not kill anyone. He is merely present at death to escort the soul. The technical term is that Death is a Psychopomp. A ferrier or guide of souls. And many cultures have deities that performed such a role.
@@spiritrunner76 Agreed. Death is not the cause of people dying. He is there to usher the souls who have died to the next world. When Tyranth was talking about the metaphor, it is a metaphor. Not for cutting down unwanted weeds but for harvesting a valuable crop.
...and if you're a fan of Terry Pratchett, Death is an anthropomorphization of the process of death and he gets very irritated when people say that he kills them. :)
@@ChaoticYak1 Also he uses a sword for nobility and a scythe for commoners. Not because he thinks of commoners as wheat, but because it's expected of him. Same with Death in Puss-in-boots, he's not there to kill PIB, he's there to wake him up and cherish his life.
@@spiritrunner76 just cause he doesnt doesnt mean he cant and i dont want to be the guy that says “oh Death cant fight anyone” cause that seems like a great way to die
The scythe is a metaphor. If you've ever seen a scythe being used, you see that it takes a little bit of the grass at a time. Swish, advance, swish, advance. A bit of life taken, one swing at a time.
"I did something stupid again!." Yes, but also amazing! Lol.
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As someone who mains sickles in our local fighting group, I gotta say that it’s viable to fight swords and axes or even poleaxes.
This is because the sickles I own are a bit rounder, so you can catch the blade of a sword and keep it our of your way.
I’ve fought plenty of swords and I would say that it’s an about equal match with a slight advantage to the sword.
Axes however are hilariously bad, because if you trap the stick of the axe with both sickles, the head can’t slip out so you got free reign.
@@Tylorean are they more like egyptian sickle sword (not thinking of sabers)?
Where would you place them on a "This much training is needed to be proficient" scale?
@@Gokkee no, they are sickles I made using gardening sickles as inspiration. The are a bit less than 3/4 of a circle.
Id say they take quite a bit of training. They are a lot more complex than a sword or an axe because of the unusual shape, the fact that you need to wield two offensive weapons instead of using one defensive.
Additionally, there are four different possibilities of holding them:
Normal with the opening inwards
Normal with the opening outwards
Backhand with the opening inwards
Backhand the opening outwards
Each of these grips has it’s own ups and downs, making it a rather confusing weapon to fight with and against.
But it’s very fun to learn, I definitely recommend it!
@Tylorean oooh 😮 was curious if you meant it literally that they were just more of a circle 😆
Nice!
Your main use of them is for stabbing with the hook or? Sounds very weird to do cut attacks since you basically have to crapple for range 🤔 😆
@@Gokkee theres all kinds of attacks, but mainly stabbing and cutting with the outer blade, yes. And yes, grappling is the main advantage of sickles, be it swords, axes or shields
@@Gokkee A khopesh? It's basically an axe with a circular head. What the op is describing is more like dual-wielding curved sword-breakers/main gauche.
After seeing how viable Sickles are, now I want to see how viable Death's Scythes in Darksiders 2 would be!
Unfortunately it's been covered before. They're not. They do have war scythes but they're not as extremely curved for practical purposes.
I can tell from a quick look the blade is Waaaay too long and downwards curving to be effective for either combat Or farming.
I was so happy when I saw this thumbnail! The Death/Wolf villain and that whole movie were so much better than I expected for a Shrek spinoff's sequel. (and my kids loved it too!) I was surprised at how well the handheld versions worked - true, maybe not against swords...but dam. I think if you offset them somehow you could compensate for the balance being weird, too. (So the sickle blades were centered at the ends of the pole)
That could also be a practical reason to have them facing opposite directions. But we know the real reason...it looks f***in cool! 😎
Scythes are best weapon 😊
No i dont want logic or good arguments against me. Scythes are best boys 😊❤
Anyone that doesn't see that is short scythed.
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In Hungarian history (and sure in other parts of the world as well, but this one I know for sure) a straightened scythe blade was a very commom weapon in hands of peasants, when they needed to defend their land or rise in revolt against their lords. It is some gnarly sh*t what that can do
The European war scythe is another example, they basically just rotated the blade 90° to turn it into a makeshift glaive.
And it's a damn scary weapon. A big stick with a big blade on it.
Death's sickles were more crescent shaped, which probably would lean them more towards functional weapons than a gardening sickle repurposed into one. Especially since they didn't hook nearly as far forward it doesn't appear as dangerous for having them pointing in the same way in polearm form..
Flip one of the blades around to be on the same side and that double bladed one becomes basically an off-brand Klingon Bat'leth. You'd just be missing the blade running the length of the handle.
I thought the same
One thing I noticed: you sharpened the outer edge, but never actually tested that. How well would it work on reverse-edge cuts?
It didn’t really matter in the end as I had no reach with them , and one of the biggest things is the power generation for the aggressive angle, you get none of the with the 2nd edge 👍🏼
@@ScreenTestedI still think the outer edge would be excellent for slashing cuts. The cut may not be deep,but it will be broad.
By the way, many sickles have serrations for the same reason some scissors have one edge serrated, to grab onto whatever you’re cutting. If you’ve ever used kitchen shears to quarter a chicken or spatchcock one, you’ll know that by feel.
@@ScreenTested It likely helped with the tip penetrating, if nothing else.
@@ScreenTested Totally true... except the staff version solves that problem because you're generating power on the swing and it gives reach.
You say they aren’t a weapon but the legal definition of a weapon “an instrument used in a fight”
You're absolutely right about The Last Wish,it's an awesome movie. Death was actually my favorite character in the movie.
"I made something stupid again" peasants decirving their scithes when they're called into war
my theory is they were made like that by design, to act as a self-defense weapon. Imagine, there's like 15-20 of you out in the field and a random wolf shows up. Or a couple of bandits. There's a big chance you'd have no weapons on you, and it would be uncommon to even own proper weapons as a peasant. So, the best chances you'd have is with the sharp metal thing you already working with.
In Japan, sickle's have been used as a weapon for some time. It was actually in Okinawa that they were first used as such. After the Japanese took over Okinawa they forbade the people from owning weapons so the people took regular farm tools and turned them into weapons. The farming sickle became a weapons known as a Kama, and then when a weighted rope or chain was attached it became the Kusari-gama. These were used quite effectively. Eventually the weapons was adopted into the Japanese arsenal of weapons arts collectively known as Kobudo.
Nobody: Sickles aren't gnarly enough
Tyrant: Let's put them on a pole!
Hell of a vid m8 😂
Omg they look so dangerous.. fair play for risking injuries ❤
I have cut weeds before and never got them that sharp, great job.
When the king's knights see you wielding this "It's not a weapon, it's a farming tool."
6:23 Ok, now we need some fantasy move where the villain/henchman does that to somebody's head.
When a stick got involved I started feeling real uneasy. From the bleeps and beeps, I gather I wasn't the only one lol
Well, I have few sickles laying around. They are old and rusty but I bet I could test them out myself. But, I do remember that back in the days when I was a kid, I used to visit my grandma and she used sickles all the time for, believe it or not, cutting grass for her rabbits that she had. And one time I decided to help her and since I back then was new to using sickles, I remember cutting myself just by touching them by the blades, instead of handle. Just because I wasn't paying attention and was talking to my grandma, thinking that I'm gonna take that sickle by the handle. Well, that was a lesson for me, because that cut wound hurt like hell back then. It was like burning. Good memory.
By the way, my grandma died back in 2015. She was very old at that time. Like 80 years old. She was a good teacher for me and a good person.
"What's the matter? Lives flashing before your eyes?"
Tyranth wields Sickles and make them work. - "Now I became death the destroyer of worlds"
I think it makes a lot of sense for something that can't get hurt/die to use something dangerous but deadly. No risk, all gain.
Oh you made me so nervous with that last bit
There are historical manuals on dueling with sickles, there's even one that describes how to duel using a literal scythe. But at the end of the day they're agricultural tools first.
There's also the Japanese kama. A ninja weapon that's used for harvesting crops (historical ninja would often hide in plain sight, some were straight up farmers).
Yeah I think you're right on the money about having the blades face the same direction. It just makes a lot more sense.
There is a lore reason that Thanos' sword is designed like that. In the comics he had a helicopter, and the sword is meant to be an allusion to the blades of the helicopter.
The main gimmick for opposite-facing-ended weapons in fiction is usually spinning, which is mostly not viable irl.
I'd say the one exception to this is the double-bladed lightsaber AKA lightstaff 'cos it spins, but it would cut in any direction anyway.
Very few farm tools can make the transition to a real useful weapon. Axes, hammers, etc...the sickle is "fine" if its all you have, but against heavily armored and armed foes it should probably stay in on farm. It's also going to get you deleted pretty quickly against a man at arms wielding a spear or halberd style weapon. I guess if you are sneaking up on someone from behind...maybe. Otherwise there are a million better edged weapon choices.
I seem to remember Tyranth liking double ended swords. Now he hath wrought upon us the double ended scythe.
From what I saw on Skallagrim's video testing a sparring set of these along with this video, I'd say that one of those would make a gnarly offhand weapon rather than doubling them up in both hands. Use something with some reach in the main hand and this thing would be not only great at getting control of the opponent's weapon, it would be a devastating finisher if your main-hand weapon opens up an opportunity to get in close enough to bring this thing into play. It would probably be one heck of a chainmail piercer too.
Tyranth: I know they're not really weapons
Me: laughs in Paulus Hector Mair
Anyone else flinch every time he swung the sickle staff and it came within inches of his kidneys in the back?
Don't forget the hooking ability. You can control your opponent by hooking them, outside or inside the body, and using a pulling motion.
I think I would consider the weapons in the movie closer to a shotel than a sicle. The tips of sickles are offset to the handle. While a shotels tip is usually closer to being in line with the handle
Exactly my thoughts
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Yeah, farming tools are pretty deadly
I wonder if in olden days anyone ever said:
"Looks like you brought a sickle... TO A SCYTHE FIGHT! HYAAAAAH!!"
Sent this to my friend who loves the movie, great video m8, really enjoying your channel along side Shadiversity. Hope someday you'll reapproach the wolverine claws and make double edged ones someday like I recommended, if not I may have to do it myself haha
I'm using this as a weapon type in a book I'm writing, but it's science fantasy, so the drawbacks that you're seeing in the basic physical weapon are able to be counteracted by different technologies that shift the shape of the blade, or length of the staff. Also, the fighting maneuvers in use with the characters in my book are well outside those a normal human are capable of (such as jumping through the air in a buzz saw type move with anti-grav tech assistance.)
I feel like the idea is that since Death is Death he can use such a weapon to it's full potential without fear and it seems fitting a weapon that's both dangerous to the user as well as the target would be the weapon Death uses.
A thought... For the one-handed construction extend the handles by another six inches. And offset the actual scythe to be more open by a handful of degrees. Nothing too major, just instead of putting them together at a full 90 degrees make it something like 80. The slightly more open cutting face on the inside of the curve would be more exposed and easier to utilize.
Oh, and if you want to - really - scare yourself, see how well it reaches around the brim of a shield. Particularly into the head, shoulder, or upper arm of your opponent.
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While I have no actual clue nor anything but one example myself, but with how often scythes were uses in field work (but not literally every day, like say a knife) and how strange to handle, even while transporting, im sure accidents happened all around. The one example I know was my grandfather who had the scythe over his shoulder his father said something to him from his right, behind him, he turned and impaled his brothers shoulder with he scythe while turning.
So maybe scythes as a symbol of death came to be due to how many accidents happened with those tools specifically?
(Granted, they also do look sick as hell!)
You look like a corsair of umbar from lord of the rings in that outfit and swinging those blades.
Cosplay unlocked.
These things are nuts for a very close combat situation.
Freakin awesome dude! I do honestly think sickles are quite deadly against a sword, you should definitely watch the skallagrim video, the fights are really neat!
Also it'd be fun to see a build where you make an indexed handle with them able to be removed and have them face the same way! You could add a extra point to each side maybe? Like a double billhook!
Just watching you use them as a double sickle staff was unnerving. I would have put a cork, rubber plug or some sort of sheath on one of the blades before even thinking of swinging that around. In any case, great video. I've seen people playing with synthetic sickles but this is the first time I've seen a practical cutting test with one as a weapon.
Any thoughts on Crescent Moon shaped blades? I wonder if they would perform similar to sickles, but with an oddly placed spike. Alternatively, you sharpen the outer edge to make a Kopesh with a back spike.
For example, the polearm held by Khonshu in Moon Knight.
Those sickles are wicked!and Thanos helicopter sword was done for simetry and the cool factor.
Hand sickles are my favorite lawncare tool. I would absolutely love to have 2 of them that are capable as a weapon as well as lawncare! If those plants could piss them selves, they so would!
I would need a slightly thicker pair though, branches need to feel my wrath too
They are quite intimidating. This was one of my favorite tests so far.
Now I wanna see a Godskin Peeler from Elden ring.
You're gona love it .
Loved this. flinched every time you struck with that pole sickle.. Check out the Skallagrim sickle test on zombie heads.
My only point of slight contention is that (atleast in the film) Death uses the Staff configuration with the curved blade facing his opponent rather than the point, and in so doing the bottom blade would have its point facing away from you - granted there’s still a blade there so it’s not like you’re eliminating the danger but it may or may not be an intentional choice with the design. Also means you’d get a nasty pommel strike with the point of the bottom scythe facing the opponent.
I actually was fantasizing today about either you or Shad doing something from this very movie... specifically with in regards to death.
More specifically i was hoping you two could actually do a fight analysis of Puss and Death of their bar encounter while analyzing the fight of course... but with specific focus on the intimidation tactics he used on Puss in the first fight along the other encounters with focus the intimidation tactics he used throughout and analyze the effectiveness of those tactics in real life fight applications.
I write action oriented fiction and was wanting a more thoughtful analysis of such to perhaps apply in my stories.... and do so thoughtfully.
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Tyranth's swing is so much better than Shad's.
It is always a mental deep dive to see how things made to kill, and things made to just work the farm lands, are often not quite so far apart that they lack effective usage.
I'd have to say, the biggest downside to them, is something offset by their level of sharpness. Sickles made for things like bamboo or harder harvesting are going to be sharper but the aim is the same. And so is the surprise of being hit by one.
It is just musing, but seeing how scared he was swinging that monster weapon around is all you'd need to know about how dangerous it was. And, I agree. The look over function thing of fantasy double weapons is always something annoying to see.
But, to note on that point, it is based more on a video game where you can spin a sword, or double weapon, and have it hit multiple times. Can that happen IRL? No, once the first hit lands, if it cut through enough for the next blade to land another hit... you've no reason to keep attacking. But in a game with HP, armor classes, and the like. More hits are more enjoyable. XD
That was awesome. I was expecting them to be somewhat effective but I was not expecting them to actually be that dangerous. That is really cool. I do have to point out though that Dreamworks totally ripped off Blizzard. Malthiel the Angel of Death uses the exact same weapons in Diablo 3.
I originally wanted to include a clip of the cinematic from diable but for some reason it wouldn’t download haha
@@ScreenTested it's okay, I don't even watch these new cartoons and I still prefer them as a reference point over Diablo 3
Interestingly the weaponization of sickles is what led the Egyptians to develop the kopesh.
I'm a simple man. I see Puss in Boots and Death. I click.
There was a computer game I played as a kid where you can play as an elf that has a double sided sickle staff… now I want to see if I can find that game again
Replace the tube with proper handle and make both Sickles face the same way, now that would be an interesting weapon.
Something to always consider, when examining these sorts of movie weapons, is the strength of the character. Not as in power level, but in raw physical power. Death is a supernatural being and so a lot of the conventional limits that 'mortals' face don't apply. Same with Thanos, he's categorically beyond normal human strength and is more than capable of going toe to toe with godlike beings. Yes, Physics will get him in the end, but he can push how far that is a lot further than you or I could.
Farming implements used as weapons is a Grand Tradition.
interestingly, Puss in Boots isn't even the first instance I can think of death being represented with sickles. Diablo 3's expansion DLC, The Angel of Death is also represented as using sickles for his main weapon.
They aren’t great in combat but they’re super cool weapons for a supernatural giant wolf. They work perfectly in context
People used what they had as weapons. Scythes, sickels, axes, hatchets etc. Were what the common man had.
Can you test a frying pan? Or better, a tennis racket with a sharp outside and a solid middle.
These look like they'd be right at home in a Dark Souls game.
Fast, light and a TON of bleed buildup. (because of the serrations)
I mean there were manuscripts for sickle fights so they "are" weapons in a sense. Like you said medieval farming tools like the bill were made into weapons so the sickle is somewhat comparable to that in a way
I am become death, reaper of grass.
Don't forget the back edge. He cut using the back edge a lot anyway
can you create the collapsable bo staff used by white canary from legends of tomorrow, its pretty much 2 batons attached to each other which is something some websites have made however in the show there's a quick release mechanism which is something i haven't seen before and I'm curious how you would go about engineering one that is highly durable
I don’t know what its name is, but I just saw an add within the last couple of days with something like that. It was a cylinder about the length of a fist with a pin at one end. Pull the pin and it springs out to short staff length.
He did the Daredevil bo staff
This is how Tyranth meets his end...
The sickles seem like a terrifying serial killer weapon, getting up close and bloody. Would not want to get torn through by those.
Ya, I was thinking they would be ideal CQB weapons.
10:01 the rallying cry of Screen Tested.
You should definitly try this build again. Only with longer handles for better reach and non serrated blades.
Put the two in the same direction and let us know how it feels.
Tyranth your costume looks so good brother, red suits you so well
I bet you could make a good series examining the most practical weapons from Power Rangers. The Red Ranger's sword from Mighty Morphin would be a great start.
Sickles are subtlety dangerous, as you can get so close to a foe that the swing of their normal weapons are useless. Yes, it is quite dangerous to close that distance in the first place, but battlefields have never been safe, and "who dares, wins."
That movie was so weirdly good. Like it had ZERO RIGHT being as good as it was and with a solid message as well.
Wow, that's some great looking back scratchers!
Throw them! I've done that before and it is wonderful! Beware the blade will bend and all you have to do to fix that is unbend it just like a katana or something like that. Also forgot to mention that giving them a wrist flick helps tremendously when cutting things you shouldn't.
I would go more into a shopel or a full blown khopesh at this point. The Sickles the Death used were very large and not that short.
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Give them a bit more heft. All of the force of the swing will be concentrated on the piercing point, and the sharpened/serrated edge will glide cleanly through soft tissue. It'd be like stabbing someone straight through with a sword, but instead of the slicing area of the blades simply moving through them in a straight line, with the curvature on the sickle, that momentum is transfered to a cutting motion.
So yeah, slicing gouges in stuff is a guarantee. Plus, sickles are "just" a farm implement. Not something people really thing of as a weapon, so you do have the consealability factor. For as much as people carry around farm implements these days, anyways.
Hey Tyranth.... maybe you should try attacking with the outside edge curves, if it wants to align that way?
If it is a double edged weapon, you have those options too.
This is why the Romans upgraded their armor against the Dancians.
You are now the Darth Maul of sickles.
They may cut,but you haven't killed Tony until Doug Marcaida from Forged In Fire says so
The blades have to face opposite directions so you can helicopter the weapon and have them both work,
You should watch Skallagrim's video on how to fight with sickles. They're really cool weapons
always good to see Marcus.