While direct drive is mostly used for speed, I use mine for easier more powerful single foot doubles that have really helped improve my fills and hi hat grooves
Hi Jay - thank you so much for your learning videos. You contribute with so much important and super exciting value to us drummers. I love your simple, well structured and hugely informative lessons - they are worth their weight in gold to me. So a big thank you from here 😀👍🏼
Dude thank you for these lessons. I'm not a drummer but Im learning to program drums. I figured it's better to learn with real drum lessons to learn how a drummer thinks vs learning with programming lessons.
Thank you for posting all of your content Jay. You’re one of the best drummers out there, and for us to literally have you at arms reach is incredible. I only wish I had all of this available 15 years ago!
Double bass, broken down very neatly for application..👍 Putting four independent limbs in sync with varied patterns and signatures becomes crucial in the run..😆
lovely lesson. good exercises but also i love that you went through gear, alot of people forget to talk about gear and if they do talk about it, it's usually just "wich one is the "best"", not what works in what scenarios. great work man
I just discovered you and Tesseract and I'm completely floored by your playing! I've always been a Porcupine Tree and Rush fan and you guys fit right in with those giants. Do you happen to have these exercises available in pdf? I really want to practice this in depth.
Dear lord! The new song is wonderful Jay! Thought you were gonna start getting easier tracks but nope! You're playing it even harder patterns! Thanks for going all in again! 😂
I wish I had a more methodical and thought out approach like this to double bass drum playing when I was first learning. Good stuff man, I can't wait to hear the new Tesseract album when it drops! War Of Being is a banger!
thank you for reminding me of my favourite drum beat to play @ 11min mark. Add a 2nd snare hit one the 2nd bar and that's it. It's simple but I love it so much
Hey Jay, please can you tell what DW 9000 Double Pedal you use? The regular or the XF? Because of your heel toe technique. I have the regular one but my feet dont fit in to the footboards or is just technique matter?
After I broke 3 dw 5000s and an Axis, my wallet said get a Tama and I'm still using the same single iron cobra 20 + years, and a newer speed cobra for well over 5 years. Great info, bro! Thanks for posting. 🤘🤘
Can the type of drum throne you use make a significant difference in double bass playing? For example: a round top throne compared to a bike or tractor type throne? I've read blogs that have said you want something that of course is comfortable, but also does not impinge the bottom portion of your legs. Any remarks on this.... because I'm presently in the market for a round top throne. I currently play on a fat tractor type throne
Id say it’s subjective. I’ve played on all kinds of throne, and I can still play everything I need to play without much noticeable difference between throne shapes. The thing that makes a huge difference is using a Porter and Davies throne to help with monitoring. They’re an absolute game changer
Thanks! I'm using Toontrack Superior Drummer 3 and the Modern Metal EZX with the Dense and Deep kit preset. I've adjusted things slightly and added another couple of instruments, in SD but it's near-enough an out-of-the-box mix... which is nice.
@@JayTesseracT would u maybe be down to do a quick vid on it if you havent already. Cause currently I’m trying to figure out my best situation with my new Yamaha dx8 in terms of latency and ease of practice
Do you split the money evenly between every single persin that helps with a video? Or is it only when you can take more money for yourself? Just curious how the split works since you seem to be such a passionate expert.
I have the 9000 to and been playing for almost 20 years but I never changed the playability on my pedal and I noticed that my left beater rocks back slower then my right beater. How can I fix this with out messing my pedal settings up completely.?? I really want both beaters to sway together and stop practically the same time to .
That’s the drive shaft - the bar between the two pedals. If you think about it, the spring for the left pedal can have the same settings as the right, but it has a long horizontal bar connected to it to control the rebound of the left pedal / left beater. This causes considerable resistance, which I’ve only been able to partially negate by switching to an aftermarket drive shaft. Look for a ‘Trick drums DW drive shaft’ - that’s what I use and it made a big positive difference to the feel of my left pedal.
Jay, I went to check out the gear you are playing on these lesson vids and there were no links available. Time to affiliate up with your favorite supplier, and list all of it in the description area...please. I am in the market for some electronic gear. That might be a cool vid as well...Jay compares and suggests some intermediate to pro level electronic gear. Love all the videos and information you are sharing. Hope to see you in Austin, TX, in November!
Great vid, however I’d say you missed an important part in the gear section. Regarding the position of the left foot, the distance away from the right foot, the angle etc. And what type of footboards are available, and what angle they should be at and why etc. However I know this is aimed at beginners and that you don’t want to over complicate things. I’m only 11 minutes in so apologies if you cover this later on! 😅
Hi Jay. Thank you for the great lesson. I have always found my slave pedal is never as bouncy or has the right feel. I have the same pedal as you. Would you recommend I change the drive shaft then? Would you mind giving me a recommendation? Thank you so much. James
yeh absolutely, give the Trick drive shaft a go. There's a specific one for the DW pedal though - not the generic drive shaft, and it's out of stock most of the time. I got in touch with my local Sweetwater who let me know when they had one in.
Another great video! I wish I had this amount of useful information, when I started drumming 35 years ago. Back then we had to do so much trial & error and guessing, how things might work. P.S.: this toilet launch really caught me offguard! 😀
I would say that a couple of the points you made really are preference and not fact. The thing about having the kick drum closer to you is something you hear a lot of extreme metal guys saying not to do, and I myself have also found it less tiring and less effort to get faster tempos with the kick further away. Also I've found it much easier to go faster with heavy beaters, not light beaters. Something I learnt from George kollias. The heavier the beater, the more swing from the pedal which means you have to do less work. The points you make are valid but I think they should have been stated as an opinion and not a fact. Could really get new players off at a bad start imo.
Of course it’s my preference. I’m self taught and I teach and talk about the techniques and tools I personally find to work extremely well, having tried and tested multiple others over the years.
Funny how he says he went out and picked the best double pedal lol...When I first went out and got mine there was only one kind at the store Gibraltar. I got good and moved to Pearl, Tama-Speed Cobras s, Pearl Demon Drive, DW Direct drive, Axis, Trick, various pedals.....back to Pearl the Eliminator Redline series.
some tease from war of being?? ;D is gonna be guudddddddddddddddd (i know that is concealing fate part 2 but i hope we see more doble kick in the new album)
One thing though concerning the direct drive/chain drive thing It is obviously still possible to play insanely fast with chain drive, don't be fooled/ let yourself be fooled by any company that a direct drive pedal is necessary to play faster. There's a Drummer on RUclips, Krzysztof Klingbein, who played everything Extreme Metal - related for 1½ years on Iron Cobras until recently (note: he switched to the Cobras from the Czarcie Kopyto Pedals, one of those expensive High - End Pedals). In the end, it comes down to which feeling one prefers, I would say. None is better than the other (chain/direct drive), they're just different. Obviously. Moreover Don't fall into the belief that everything more expensive is instantly better
yeh good point. I ws coming from the angle that those pedals are designed really with efficiency and speed in mind, but I know non-speed players who swear by direct drive. I'm a chain drive player myself though.
You should really try to keep each pedal as close to exactly matched as you can, and work on your weaker foot. It's all well and good setting a pedal to work for your weak foot, but you won't be able to use anyone else's pedals, and the evenness from that setting probably won't translate across all tempos. You cam use a traditional pedal for playing clean heel-toe without needing any silly beater angles, or anything like that (it used to be my main method before I focused on clean singles). Removing the toe-stoppers is always a good first step -- regardless of your preferred technique -- but if you angle your feet diagonally across the footboard you can emulate the feel of a longboard pedal and get more leverage out of each stroke.
These drum lessons have been so sick!
While direct drive is mostly used for speed, I use mine for easier more powerful single foot doubles that have really helped improve my fills and hi hat grooves
Hi Jay - thank you so much for your learning videos. You contribute with so much important and super exciting value to us drummers. I love your simple, well structured and hugely informative lessons - they are worth their weight in gold to me. So a big thank you from here 😀👍🏼
My pleasure!
Dude thank you for these lessons. I'm not a drummer but Im learning to program drums. I figured it's better to learn with real drum lessons to learn how a drummer thinks vs learning with programming lessons.
Thank you for posting all of your content Jay. You’re one of the best drummers out there, and for us to literally have you at arms reach is incredible. I only wish I had all of this available 15 years ago!
Again, the kick sound is hilariously good.
Double bass, broken down very neatly for application..👍
Putting four independent limbs in sync with varied patterns and signatures becomes crucial in the run..😆
lovely lesson. good exercises but also i love that you went through gear, alot of people forget to talk about gear and if they do talk about it, it's usually just "wich one is the "best"", not what works in what scenarios. great work man
Thanks! Obviously this is subjective to my experience with double kick and isn’t the only solution but I figure my insight may be helpful for others.
your a great teacher man.. im two months now on the drums ..2hours a day 😆really appriciate these lessons thank you!!
I just discovered you and Tesseract and I'm completely floored by your playing! I've always been a Porcupine Tree and Rush fan and you guys fit right in with those giants. Do you happen to have these exercises available in pdf? I really want to practice this in depth.
All of my lessons are up here, with Guitar Pro, MIDI and PDF: jaypostones-drumlessons.com/
Awesome video and I just discovered you and your band. I’m definitely going to support you guys. Keep up the awesome work.
Dear lord! The new song is wonderful Jay! Thought you were gonna start getting easier tracks but nope! You're playing it even harder patterns! Thanks for going all in again! 😂
Gotta keep pushing up the hill ;)
@JayTesseracT so happy you do! Always puts a smile on my face! 😀🙃
This is a one the clearest and best double kick videos , all you need is here.
Excellent lessons Jay 👍🤜🥁🤛👍!!!
that kit sound fantastic
This IS THE GOOD STUFF, OTHER DRUM CHANNELS NEVER GIVE OUT FOR FREE. THANK YOU, SIR
This is pure gold, thanks alot man! Already got my VIP ticket for Aus, looking forward to meeting you!
great lesson..Thanks
This lesson really helped me! Thanks so much.
War of Being has been on repeat for days. What an absolute banger! 🎉
2:08 Oh shit, didn’t know you can do that haha
I can when I set my trigger to be super sensitive and only play for 0.3 seconds, haha
I wish I had a more methodical and thought out approach like this to double bass drum playing when I was first learning. Good stuff man, I can't wait to hear the new Tesseract album when it drops! War Of Being is a banger!
thank you for reminding me of my favourite drum beat to play @ 11min mark. Add a 2nd snare hit one the 2nd bar and that's it. It's simple but I love it so much
Hey Jay, please can you tell what DW 9000 Double Pedal you use? The regular or the XF? Because of your heel toe technique. I have the regular one but my feet dont fit in to the footboards or is just technique matter?
Thanks Jay! Love the prog exercises
Thank you so much Jay!
Great lesson! What kind of drum kit? If it's not a secret?
Amazing! I assume you use the standard DW 9000 double kick pedal, and not the XF (extended footboard) version? Thanks
I use the standard yes, and I use the Trick drive shaft for it too
Top!!!😊
10:24
Great video!!!! What drum sounds are you triggering, love the sound of the kit.
Toontrack modern metal EZX
After I broke 3 dw 5000s and an Axis, my wallet said get a Tama and I'm still using the same single iron cobra 20 + years, and a newer speed cobra for well over 5 years. Great info, bro! Thanks for posting. 🤘🤘
awesome lesson! cant wait to go to the kit later on! also... loved the addition of animations in the vid:) noice toilet:))
Glad you liked it!
Can the type of drum throne you use make a significant difference in double bass playing? For example: a round top throne compared to a bike or tractor type throne?
I've read blogs that have said you want something that of course is comfortable, but also does not impinge the bottom portion of your legs.
Any remarks on this.... because I'm presently in the market for a round top throne. I currently play on a fat tractor type throne
Id say it’s subjective. I’ve played on all kinds of throne, and I can still play everything I need to play without much noticeable difference between throne shapes.
The thing that makes a huge difference is using a Porter and Davies throne to help with monitoring. They’re an absolute game changer
Mastery
Great lesson Jay. Unrelated to double kick, how are you getting that great sound on your kit? I play a Roland 507, sound good but not great?
Thanks! I'm using Toontrack Superior Drummer 3 and the Modern Metal EZX with the Dense and Deep kit preset. I've adjusted things slightly and added another couple of instruments, in SD but it's near-enough an out-of-the-box mix... which is nice.
Hey man love the vids I recently got a e kit and was wondering if you rub everything through the native kit module or go into a daw?
Neither - I use Toontrack Superior Drummer 3 standalone, so I don’t need the additional system load of the DAW. It works so well!
@@JayTesseracT would u maybe be down to do a quick vid on it if you havent already. Cause currently I’m trying to figure out my best situation with my new Yamaha dx8 in terms of latency and ease of practice
Do you split the money evenly between every single persin that helps with a video? Or is it only when you can take more money for yourself? Just curious how the split works since you seem to be such a passionate expert.
I make these videos myself.
Did you read the full context or just react to the headline?
I have the 9000 to and been playing for almost 20 years but I never changed the playability on my pedal and I noticed that my left beater rocks back slower then my right beater. How can I fix this with out messing my pedal settings up completely.?? I really want both beaters to sway together and stop practically the same time to .
That’s the drive shaft - the bar between the two pedals. If you think about it, the spring for the left pedal can have the same settings as the right, but it has a long horizontal bar connected to it to control the rebound of the left pedal / left beater. This causes considerable resistance, which I’ve only been able to partially negate by switching to an aftermarket drive shaft.
Look for a ‘Trick drums DW drive shaft’ - that’s what I use and it made a big positive difference to the feel of my left pedal.
Jay, I went to check out the gear you are playing on these lesson vids and there were no links available. Time to affiliate up with your favorite supplier, and list all of it in the description area...please. I am in the market for some electronic gear. That might be a cool vid as well...Jay compares and suggests some intermediate to pro level electronic gear. Love all the videos and information you are sharing. Hope to see you in Austin, TX, in November!
Great vid, however I’d say you missed an important part in the gear section.
Regarding the position of the left foot, the distance away from the right foot, the angle etc. And what type of footboards are available, and what angle they should be at and why etc.
However I know this is aimed at beginners and that you don’t want to over complicate things.
I’m only 11 minutes in so apologies if you cover this later on! 😅
Hi Jay.
Thank you for the great lesson. I have always found my slave pedal is never as bouncy or has the right feel. I have the same pedal as you. Would you recommend I change the drive shaft then? Would you mind giving me a recommendation? Thank you so much.
James
yeh absolutely, give the Trick drive shaft a go. There's a specific one for the DW pedal though - not the generic drive shaft, and it's out of stock most of the time. I got in touch with my local Sweetwater who let me know when they had one in.
Another great video! I wish I had this amount of useful information, when I started drumming 35 years ago. Back then we had to do so much trial & error and guessing, how things might work.
P.S.: this toilet launch really caught me offguard! 😀
Dude, toilet launches always catch me off guard.
I would say that a couple of the points you made really are preference and not fact. The thing about having the kick drum closer to you is something you hear a lot of extreme metal guys saying not to do, and I myself have also found it less tiring and less effort to get faster tempos with the kick further away.
Also I've found it much easier to go faster with heavy beaters, not light beaters. Something I learnt from George kollias. The heavier the beater, the more swing from the pedal which means you have to do less work.
The points you make are valid but I think they should have been stated as an opinion and not a fact. Could really get new players off at a bad start imo.
Of course it’s my preference. I’m self taught and I teach and talk about the techniques and tools I personally find to work extremely well, having tried and tested multiple others over the years.
Funny how he says he went out and picked the best double pedal lol...When I first went out and got mine there was only one kind at the store Gibraltar. I got good and moved to Pearl, Tama-Speed Cobras s, Pearl Demon Drive, DW Direct drive, Axis, Trick, various pedals.....back to Pearl the Eliminator Redline series.
some tease from war of being?? ;D is gonna be guudddddddddddddddd (i know that is concealing fate part 2 but i hope we see more doble kick in the new album)
One thing though concerning the direct drive/chain drive thing
It is obviously still possible to play insanely fast with chain drive, don't be fooled/ let yourself be fooled by any company that a direct drive pedal is necessary to play faster.
There's a Drummer on RUclips, Krzysztof Klingbein, who played everything Extreme Metal - related for 1½ years on Iron Cobras until recently (note: he switched to the Cobras from the Czarcie Kopyto Pedals, one of those expensive High - End Pedals).
In the end, it comes down to which feeling one prefers, I would say.
None is better than the other (chain/direct drive), they're just different. Obviously.
Moreover
Don't fall into the belief that everything more expensive is instantly better
yeh good point. I ws coming from the angle that those pedals are designed really with efficiency and speed in mind, but I know non-speed players who swear by direct drive. I'm a chain drive player myself though.
You should really try to keep each pedal as close to exactly matched as you can, and work on your weaker foot. It's all well and good setting a pedal to work for your weak foot, but you won't be able to use anyone else's pedals, and the evenness from that setting probably won't translate across all tempos.
You cam use a traditional pedal for playing clean heel-toe without needing any silly beater angles, or anything like that (it used to be my main method before I focused on clean singles). Removing the toe-stoppers is always a good first step -- regardless of your preferred technique -- but if you angle your feet diagonally across the footboard you can emulate the feel of a longboard pedal and get more leverage out of each stroke.
I feel like I'm getting better watching these and I don't even have a kit yet 😂
11:06 - first odd time exercise
12:16 - 2nd odd exercise
I was just watching this for funzies but how did I KNOW Concealing Fate II Would find it's way in there.
"Now I'm not a heel toe double kick player, which is why that sounded awful..." What sounds awful to gods sounds fine for the rest of us mere mortals.
2:12 "Now I'm not a heel-toe double kick player, which is why that sounded awful" *rips a 200 bpm double stroke beat like it's nothing*
.. for 1.5 seconds, then I passed out :D
15:52 - 5 stroke exercise
Hey Jason, great stuff man !! I have written a new book FLAMZILLA & would love to get your feedback on it. Billy Freedom drummer
B. O. E.
What is the name of the band he is in?
My downstairs neighbour does not like this video. Keep em coming
I hope eventually we can abolish pedal slavery because it’s just the right thing to do.
I don't like direct drives it's harder to play
Hmmmm…Meshuggah? After The Burial?
😅
Spice Girls? Abba?
If galloping you can join Iron Maiden!