Dude was probably also aware that some of the things that were hinted at in the original show were elaborated in more detail in the 2000s one; on many levels they are thematically connected. For instance, it was intimated that Apollo in the 1978 originally trained as a lawyer (he defends Starbuck in Murder on the Rising Star) and that is the actual background of Lee Adama in the reboot (who actually ends up as the President at one point), and the character that became Serina in the 1978 series was originally to be named Lyra and was a politician rather than a news anchor, and she was meant to suffer from some terminal illness as well - these traits may actually have suggested Laura Roslin. And the theme of the creators of the robots being overwhelmed by or in a struggle with their creations is transferred from the Cylons to the humans in the reboot, though when watching the 1978 series I always had the weird feeling that the humans would discover that the Cylons are actually the 13th Tribe, i.e. that there will be an unsavory discovery at the end of their journey just as the humans in the reboot will also have.
@@christianealshut1123 But they are still different stories. If the creator of this videos wanted to discuss the thematic similarities, they should have made the intention clear.
@@christianealshut1123 Make no mistake, the original story has nothing to do with the reboot. The reboot is a different version of the original story. Cylons are their own people having nothing to do with the Colonel group is because the original story, the Cylon race were at war with the humans. And created the machine world to continue forward. This is explained in the story. As for the reboot, people got paid, people had jobs, but was trash anyway..
I preferred the Cylon origin story from original BSG. A reptile alien race that emulated human physiology and created a security force of machines based on it. An oversight in the programming of their creations lead to the downfall of the reptile Cylon race.
The oversight was the reptiles sold their soul to Satan,"Patrick Magee" thus losing their physical bodies. The Cylon ruler always has the devils voice.
@@greiglennon That's how Apollo described it in the pilot episode and there is also a narrated intro by Adama describing this on some of the old VHS tapes. I'm sure Iblis had his hand in influencing the original Cylons as well.
THAT's why I figured they LOOKED like they did - with one eye and and a kind of fin on top of their heads. Maybe, THAT's basically how these reptilian beings were physically and they were cast in THEIR image.
I loved watching this show while I was still a senior at the University of Alabama in 1978. I didn’t like the cost cutting sequel in 1980, but really enjoyed the reboot with Edward James Olmos.
It was in reruns by the time I watched it as a kid. I was born in 78. You didn't feel put off by buck being a woman in the reboot? I don't mind woman characters or leads. I just don't like gender swapping for PC sake
Love the show, never saw the original but the one in 2004. I was hooked until the end which is very rare, I think it ended when it needed to end so for me it was the perfect tv show.
@@alexpratt71 I tried to watch the reboot. I couldn't get very far. The original Starbuck was a womanizer and I couldn't get past the shaking camera. In the old show the second in command on the ship was changed too. I remember my mom having issues with the reboot and she was a fan
@@stevegarvey5607 that’s a shame. It’s very enjoyable. But I can dig what ur sayin. I would suggest picking a random episode, from any season, and see if you still feel the same way, ur really missing some great stories. Anywho, it’s always nice to hear from an OG fan, like myself 👍🙂🐻
I remember as an excited little kid tuning in on Saturday Nights to watch the original Battlestar Galactica... When the remake came out, it was a little different for me having grown up on the original,. But I Did like the remake also
The 1978 Cylons DID NOT REBEL against their creators. You can see "The Imperious Leader", one of the last of the original biological creators of the Cylons, direct the attack against the 12 Human Colonies. He then meets with Baltar and he gives him a Baseship to pursue the remains of Humanity!! In the Part 2 episode of the Pegasus story, the biological, "Imperious Leader" is present on the planet of "Gamorrah" to inaugurate a new, second Cylon capital, and then the humans attack. In the book, Battlestar Gallactica, by Glen A. Larson and Robert Thurston, (1978), it explains that the Cylons were originally a biological race that was dying out, and their machines were sentient, but living with fewer and fewer commanders. Also, the dying, biological Cylons, were dominating other races and letting them live, but for some reason, were jealous of humanity and hated them and wanted all humans dead.
These Cylons thought they were actually exercising their free will, when in reality they were merely the instrument of another enemy of humanity (Iblis).
Cylons: We have made our ships the pinnacle of technology, with advanced computers and vast numbers of missiles to smite our enemies. Colonies: We strapped some engines and more guns than should be allowed to exist onto a steel brick. Hack that, Toaster!
Really good production put you can't conflate the two timelines into one. Would've been interesting to see a split and comparison of how the two shows explained the origins. There's absolutely no way the two can be linked tho.
Mind you this is the origin that was retconned with the new stuff... in the original series, they were created by a race also known as Cylons (a lizard race, thus the appearance of the Imperious Leader) but eventually destroyed their creators and later went to war against the humans.
Strictly speaking in the Original Series they went on a campaign against neighbouring alien races until the Colonial humans came to the assistance of an ally, drawing the ire of the Cylons on themselves.
I agree Moore never did explain just WHY the Cylons made the Flesh bots or why they let them take over and treat them worse than the humans ever did. The whole Baltar betrayal plot is ridiculous and pointless when he put in jump drives as FTL, In the show they jumped into Planetary orbits so all the Cylons need to do is JUMP and instantly launch missiles. No defense system could react in time, especially after decades of peace. IMO Moore's BSG was garbage
In the remake they bastardized a story with incredible depth with huge creative possibilities, replacing it with a disjointed story with multiple plot holes and no way to give it consistency even with all the contact glue in the world. But worse is what they did with the main characters, especially Adama and Tigh in the first degree, but with the rest in the second. Removing basic characters like Athena and Cassiopeia. And if that wasn't enough, they changed an incredibly beautiful and majestic Galactica, by a kind of "Galactica" wrinkled like a raisin. I hope that someday someone will make a series that does justice to Glen A. Larson's original work.
I disagree ALOT. Moore's BSG was better, if you know the show well enough it is explained that the final 5 created the flesh models and that the newer centurions had inhibitors placed so they didn't have free will. @@johnfisher9692
@@YDV669 Exactly, and there are more of us than we seem. In my case, I admit that I enjoy rewatching the old series more than watching a single episode of the remake (Every time just by watching the Galactica of the remake and remembering the bunch of mental morons that are almost all the main characters, I directly lose the desire to see anything else. The only one I can tolerate in the remake is the one where they tell the past of the Pegasus... but it's not because of the show, it's because of the actress who plays Captain Helena Cain (Michelle Forbes).
Trying to put all the Cylons from both series into one video was a bad idea. It would be better to make a clear division between the ones from the original BSG and the ones from the rebooted series. It would be like trying to make a video about Lt. Starbuck - beyond both being cigar smoking viper pilots, they are very different characters between the original and the reboot.
The original series of the Cylons (reptilian race) creating the Cylon mechanical IS cannon. The second BattleStar Galactica reboot is heresy in so far that that version was created to avoid copyright infringement which (the original series) was owned by Richard Hatch (Apollo). The studio did not want to pay Mr. Hatch any royalties on the reboot. This is the same mess as in Star Trek's Kelvan timeline and I do not acknowledge that timeline as cannon either. Corporate greed can ruin anything.
Gene Larson the creator of the original series was going to show the background story to the Cylons, in his version if the series had continued, the Cylons were created by the Ancient Humans of the Planet Kobol which left their planet to create the 12 Colonies and the last lost colony would’ve been Atlantis on Earth. After the war the Cylons Machines were found by the Reptilian Cylon race and the Machines turn on them to conquer the universe. Over a few thousand years the Cylons forgotten their own origin. In Battlestar Galactica 1980 the Human Cylons were shown in one episode. The fact that Ron Moore version took Gene Larson version and only add that real Earth was just another humanoid planet with early Humans that mix with the 12 Colonies Humans to create Modern 21 first century Earth. In Gene Larson original version, Battlestar Galactica gets to Earth to learn that Atlantis was destroyed and all the Humans living on Modern Earth are it’s descendants and they join force with the 12 Colonies for a big battle offensive against the Cylons and the Original 12 Human Cylons models rebel against the Cylon emperor and help Galactica while the final 13 Cylon Human model is revealed to be one of the cast members or crew member above the Galactica the whole time and this Human Cylon stay loyal to the Emperor. For what’s it worth Ron Moore version was pretty much close to the original outline that Gene Larson wrote out for the series.
Same..i bought the pilot for the reboot but other than some special effects still preferred the original series. I heard its a good series but not for me since i'd grown up on the original series. It actually rivaled star wars at the time. George Lucas sued and along with the budget, the series ended way to early. Galactica 1980 was just a bad dream.
With IL actually standing for Imperious Leader because they would be next in line if the former Imperious Leader died/was destroyed. Thus, the baseship carrying the original Imperious Leader is destroyed in the pilot movie, and he is later replaced by another IL model. To the vast chagrin of Lucifer, who can never understand why he was not chosen instead. It's really ridiculous how ambitious Lucifer is, and he is vastly p***ed that he has to work under Baltar; he would like to poke that human's eyes out to put it mildly.
What I never got about the Cylons, aside from this making them perpetual story antagonists, is why they would keep wasting their resources to chase down the escaping humans despite how bloody they get in doing so... that makes them, in their OWN standards, quite human in inferiority.
@@Never_Know_Best I'm 100% with you on that... which is part of what I never got about them. Perhaps like the homophobe whose favorite thing is to menace/socially harass/politically oppose/religiously detest all forms of non-heterosexual because they are "in the closet." Tasty mind candy, eh?
Watch Caprica you will get the answer to your question. They were made from a father's sadness of the death of his daughter. By using a program made by his daughter to recreate her from information from the internet. The Cylons reached sentiance. With all the flause, emotions and ambitions of humans... so it wasn't a far reach after fighting for independence and failing. They would want to wipe out those who keep them from that. At the End of the reboot of BSG. the Cylons independents was recognized and allowed to go out and make their own way.
The Humans were mostly politeists were the Cylons gained senteince and almost inmediatly universally adhered to a fanatical monotheist religion, their quest to destroy humanity was basically a Jihad, yes, the Cylons were at the end quite similar to humans
I loved watching both shows the original and the later. You know these shows could be a warning about artificial intelligence turning on humanity. It's only a thought.
I like the reimagined miniseries but I still prefer the original. The novels (some of them written by Richard Hatch) expand the lore and are actually quite good.
Without revealing my age too much, I enjoyed the original as well. I especially liked the episode where they had to disable a large laser on an ice planet. Good acting, even by 70's standards.
@@PaulChristianJenkinsJD I remember the original series as well - but only saw a handful of episodes ( it was my first year in the military - I had to stay focused on that ). It was the series with Loren Greene and Dirk Benedict. One of these days, I may try to go back and watch all of it. Prequel looks interesting.
The origins of Cylons were retconned for the reboot. Originally they were built by a species of lizardlike humanoids, which they rebelled against and wiped out.
Right. This video states the resurrection concept (Cylon immortality) was part of BSG's 1978 story, which it wasn't. That was Ronald Moore's re-imagined story (1990's) Marvelous Video is getting the storylines crossed. (3:04-3:19)
We always hear about how the world is being secretly run by lizard people. It makes me wonder if it is true because we are being told that we will be eating bugs. Also there is discussion on AI which could develop and then turn on humanity. Na!!!! I don't think any of that is true.
@@sidvane1 Those Cylons are CINOs (Cylons In Name Only) while their creators were real Cylons they themselves were genetically-engineered mass=cloned Human-replicants with some cybernetic implants, they were later retconned as having backstabbed their robot creators deactivating most of them with some managing to flee to deep-space (The Guardians) and the rest lobotomised.
I like both series, the first one because of childhood memories and the second one because it is a more fleshed out darker grittier story with interesting themes.
While I grant you are correct-I feel the same way-if it wasn't for the ideas and overall story arc, the ships and people of the original BSG, there would have been no one to suggest a reboot to a popular show.
I found this video very confusing, trying to merge two separate plots/storylines just didnt work. I have watched both series a few times and this video doesnt make a lot of sense. it would have been better to a video for each series..
I prefer the OG version where they were created by count Iblis. As a mix of reptile and Human DNA. Then over the years to be better they became cyborg then most of them full machine. Humans thought there were no organics left until years after the defeat.
So many amazing sci fi shows from my childhood! It was hard to keep up with all of them before the internet was becoming more mainstream with video media!
I wish this video would have just talked about the original Cylons from the 1978 series. The reboot from 25 years later was needlessly complicated and as a result the Cylons weren’t nearly as intimidating.
Your entire description of the Cylon's are based on the new reboot series and have nothing to do with the original series or the first release movie or the first book describing the conflict between the Human's and the Cylon's. You did have a slight mention that the Cylon's were robots created by a reptilian race though the book identify the Cylon's as being the reptilian race wearing armor not robots. The Cylon's were turned into robot's to placate the TV censors from condemning the show because of the violence of showing people killing other people.
Ya know if you read the novel from the original series you'd find out that the each cylon body (in the original series) actually had a small organic brain hooked up to a controlling machine brain. As the cylons advanced in rank, their organic brain was increased in size.
I understood that the Cylons were originally intended to be reptilian creatures in battle armour for the 1978 version. It was decided that this would be too violent for TV, so they were changed to robots.
I recall the original Cylons from the Book WERE Lizard Aliens, they even had one scene where one of the Centurions as part of the Surprise Attack took off his helmet to look at his fellow warriors. This book also had Baltar getting beheaded, which they got as far as filming before they decided to spare him for the show. When they got to the TV show, well...regulations were odd to say the least. Humans fighting Lizard Aliens on a regular basis would be to violent, but humans vs the Lizard Aliens War Robots wouldn't.
I remember the comic scene where they slash his neck was also in the dvd disk version I have. Which must have been the original, like Tigerman getting a rocket up his backside in Buck Roger's theatrical version, but not when it was on tv.
I disagree. The original concept, (alien robots exterminate their creators then go on a rampage) was just a rip off of the Berserker books by Fred Saberhagen published in the 60's. (which would actually be a pretty cool series in it's own right) While the reboot concept of mans creations trying to destroy him is pretty cliche, they did a decent job of exploring the story from the cylons side as well as from the human perspective.
The reason why the Cylons in nBSG initially got as far as they did when they revolted against the 12 colonies is because their AIs WERE part of the system, property cyber-security would've kept them locked out of Colonial computer-systems. The reason why the Cylon invasion worked so well is that it was an inside job where a No.6, Natasi (Who was Dr. Baltar's lover) surreptitiously modified his CNP software to introduce rootkits ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit ) plus her using Baltar's connections getting access to the CDF's mainframe to get its' order-of-battle and patrol schedules.
G'day all. although I am old and grew up with this show I always wondered, Why can't the cylones learn not to get to close, that way the vipers can't brake and blast you from behind. Anyways, this like buck rogers to a young boy in the 80s was mind breaking. well the sci-fi and a good helping of scantily clad women.
The remake Cylon origin story is dull and boring the original is far more interesting. The Cylon's were created by a reptian race with the same name. The first Cylon they created was Imperous Leader Cylon that took on the appearance of them but it's programing was corrupted by a god like creature know as Count Ibis, who was properly worship by the reptian cylons. The Imperous Leader Cylon declared war on their creators wiping them out, leaving only the machine cylons alive. Eventually they declared war on the colonists.
The original Cylon origin story is just a retread of "Robots rebel against their creators." That's been a theme in science fiction forever. Hell, the story that originated the word "robot" came out in the 1920's. The name of the story is R.U.R. Care to guess how that story line went? If you go back even further, the theme of "creations rebelling against the creator" is common in Greek/Roman mythology, as well as the Bible. The Cylon origin story is not even close to unique or interesting.
And the reason stated in the Pilot Episodes of the Original Series as to why the Cylons went to war against the Twelve Colonies (Humans) is because the Twelve Colonies (Humans) interfered in the relations between the Cylon Empire and other Nations/Species. I'd also like to point out that the Twelve Colonies (Humans) were NOT the only Race/Species that the Cylon Empire had interaction/conflict with. And CONTRARY to what the PATHETIC 'remake' claims, the Human/Cylon War lasted a MINIMUM of a Thousand Yahrens (years), and NOT just "twenty years" as the PATHETIC 'remake' tried to "claim".
My Late little Sister used to tease me with the Cylon voice which terrified me. It still does at 67 yrs old. I have to make one complaint about the original series... Who thought that "Boxy" was a good name for a Kid? Ugh! I hated that time someone would say it!😮😮😮 . But i loved that show!😊😊😊
The most iconic and most well known scific series villains ever would be the Daleks, having been on screen on and off for 60 years, appeared in 2 movies, numerous video games, and a hideous amount of merchandising. The Cylons' appearance in one show that lasted 3 years and then a remake of the same show 30 years later isn't even comparable. And if that was supposed to be a quote it would be "by your command" not "with your command". You can't even get the catchphrase of the subject of your video right. Embarassing.
I love both shows, but the original has a much more nostalgic pull for me. I'd have preferred it if you had split the two completely separate cylon origins as two videos as this feels far more skewed to the reimagining, and unfortunately glosses over a lot of the original lore
I was blessed to be adopted in 1985, to be able to visit UNIVERSAL STUDIOS in 1986 with my new family. Within this tour, I was able to see KITT, JAWS, A-TEAM, and The Cylon Ship as part of the tour back then. How lucky was I?!
I watched the 2010 reboot. I still love that show. In that series, Earth was the 13th(lost) Colony, not the human origin planet. They found the original Earth, destroyed by war so, pressed on and found our planet 10k years ago. They settled in different parts of the planet and sent their ships into the sun. Interesting story because, both Cylons and humans mixed into the human population on Earth, inferring that we today are the decendents of those humans and cylons. As if they are the Anunnaki and their other known names around the world.
The original TV series Cylons, were a believable sort of advanced technology. The re-imagined version was utter garbage, especially the human version models.
The Cylons in the reimagined BSG series were technologically superior to humanity because they drew heavily on the knowledge imparted to them by the Five (artificial humans from the older Thirteenth Colony who agreed to help the Centurions create humanoid models of their own in exchange for ending the First War).
RDM's Cylons were more like Blade Runner's Replicants, in fact Edward James Olmos, who also played Gaff in Blade Runner, gave a DVD of BR to Tricia Helfer to use as a reference. The Cylons were basically Replicants without 5 year lifespans.
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq and with a limited range of models. As far as I know there's no canonical explanation for the Five creating eight humanoid lines instead of millions of individuals, other than the time and effort that went into crafting each personality.
@@tompearce5418 Well, I think that I'll invoke Blade Runner again. There were surely other models, but we only saw Roy, Zora, Pris as well as Leon getting the Voight - Kampf test ( & Rachel ), yet there probably were other models of Replicant as well, these guys just made it to Earth. I'm not even going to touch WHY they came to Earth except maybe to seek out Tyrell. NO discussion of synthetic life is complete without at *least* touching BR. Rachel was a sleeper model like several of the Cylons.
I forgot all about Lizard People making the Cylons in the original series, watched it as a kid, loved it. They did great with the reboot, one of the few remakes where I can say they did it well and payed respect to the original. Unlike the average reboot of today.
If you watched the original series as a kid then you forgot about Count Ibli who corrupted the Cylon robots in turning against the reptilians. "War of the Gods" tells you how it happened and that he was the instigator.
Battlestar Galactica reboot their 10-man portable or Cylon portable energy weapons now I do think that the fighters had energy weapons are real guns or something little red things that they shot from the Vipers always thought those were some kind of energy weapon or maybe a railgun slug but they're not bullets but now the standard hand held weapons are guns basically projectile weapons
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It totally true. In War of the Gods Baltar and Coint Ibli have a conversation about how his voice could be the same as that of the Imperious leader as it being recorded or downloaded, into the imperious leader model Ceylon.
@@SamSchott1 probably not, but since the term download and AI were not in the sci fi lexicon at that time it's not that far off from what they meant I'd say.
If you all have the opportunity get ahold of the ORIGINAL Novel from which all of these series were created from it deals with Cylon's as a Straight Up Alien race, it is a Very Interesting read if you can find it and Quite Entertaining!!! 🤠👍
Actually Battlestar Galactica was a movie first. And the Cylons in the original series were left behind by a superior race. See War of the Gods. Baltar realizes that Count Iblis is the voice of the imperious leader.
I preferred the original origin story of the cylons as well as the new story was not very believable and the digital effects of the original cylons never matched up with the original.
Thank you for this. Of all my favorite sci-fi Star Trek number one Star Wars a close number two but Battlestar Galactica is right there in the mix. And far too often it's overlooked as amazing sci-fi. I speak of the original I don't think people realize edgy that show was in 1978 I know I was like in the fourth grade. And even then I noticed they were using a lot of the same shots over and over. However the reimagining that they did lead by Ronald Dee more of Star Trek the next generation DS9 they did an amazing job. I was conflicted about watching the new show but seeing Richard hatch on there just really made me comfortable with it. Turned out to be one of the best shows I've ever watched. I also love Caprica such a great show never found its audience but there a lot of people tell you that was an amazing show. So as someone who just turned 55 and is a lifelong battle star Galactica fan thank you
This is rather incoherently written. Better linear structure and particularly more attention to the differences between the series would have helped this to be comprehensible to those who don’t already possess a comprehensive knowledge of all the series.
I don't particularly care for this re-imagining of how the Cylon's came into existence. I watched the original show when it was on and the idea of a competing race, thought they may have been reptilian, always stuck with me. To modify and completely change it for the reboot seemed plain lazy.
For me the best Robot voices of all sci fi are the cylons fromm the Classic series.
You keep jumping between the classic series and the reboot which, I am sure, are entirely different stories, and it's giving me whiplash.
For real, dude needs an editor for that script.
Dude was probably also aware that some of the things that were hinted at in the original show were elaborated in more detail in the 2000s one; on many levels they are thematically connected. For instance, it was intimated that Apollo in the 1978 originally trained as a lawyer (he defends Starbuck in Murder on the Rising Star) and that is the actual background of Lee Adama in the reboot (who actually ends up as the President at one point), and the character that became Serina in the 1978 series was originally to be named Lyra and was a politician rather than a news anchor, and she was meant to suffer from some terminal illness as well - these traits may actually have suggested Laura Roslin. And the theme of the creators of the robots being overwhelmed by or in a struggle with their creations is transferred from the Cylons to the humans in the reboot, though when watching the 1978 series I always had the weird feeling that the humans would discover that the Cylons are actually the 13th Tribe, i.e. that there will be an unsavory discovery at the end of their journey just as the humans in the reboot will also have.
@@christianealshut1123 But they are still different stories. If the creator of this videos wanted to discuss the thematic similarities, they should have made the intention clear.
@@ethenallen1388 Oh yes. The original and the crappy reboot are completely different. They have no connection.
@@christianealshut1123 Make no mistake, the original story has nothing to do with the reboot. The reboot is a different version of the original story. Cylons are their own people having nothing to do with the Colonel group is because the original story, the Cylon race were at war with the humans. And created the machine world to continue forward. This is explained in the story. As for the reboot, people got paid, people had jobs, but was trash anyway..
I preferred the Cylon origin story from original BSG. A reptile alien race that emulated human physiology and created a security force of machines based on it. An oversight in the programming of their creations lead to the downfall of the reptile Cylon race.
Exactly. They were like Saberhagen's Berserkers, AI war machines that outlived their makers.
The oversight was the reptiles sold their soul to Satan,"Patrick Magee" thus losing their physical bodies. The Cylon ruler always has the devils voice.
Is that actually what happened? I thought they just turned themselves into machines, after they made a deal with Count Iblis (the Devil).
@@greiglennon That's how Apollo described it in the pilot episode and there is also a narrated intro by Adama describing this on some of the old VHS tapes. I'm sure Iblis had his hand in influencing the original Cylons as well.
THAT's why I figured they LOOKED like they did - with one eye and and a kind of fin on top of their heads. Maybe, THAT's basically how these reptilian beings were physically and they were cast in THEIR image.
I loved watching this show while I was still a senior at the University of Alabama in 1978. I didn’t like the cost cutting sequel in 1980, but really enjoyed the reboot with Edward James Olmos.
It was in reruns by the time I watched it as a kid. I was born in 78. You didn't feel put off by buck being a woman in the reboot? I don't mind woman characters or leads. I just don't like gender swapping for PC sake
@@stevegarvey5607 no, she played Starbuck perfectly. I was worried too, but Katie is a beast 👍🙂🐻
Love the show, never saw the original but the one in 2004. I was hooked until the end which is very rare, I think it ended when it needed to end so for me it was the perfect tv show.
@@alexpratt71 I tried to watch the reboot. I couldn't get very far. The original Starbuck was a womanizer and I couldn't get past the shaking camera. In the old show the second in command on the ship was changed too. I remember my mom having issues with the reboot and she was a fan
@@stevegarvey5607 that’s a shame. It’s very enjoyable. But I can dig what ur sayin. I would suggest picking a random episode, from any season, and see if you still feel the same way, ur really missing some great stories. Anywho, it’s always nice to hear from an OG fan, like myself 👍🙂🐻
I remember as an excited little kid tuning in on Saturday Nights to watch the original Battlestar Galactica...
When the remake came out, it was a little different for me having grown up on the original,. But I Did like the remake also
RIP Dean Stockwell, the Cylon with the coolest lines!
The Cylons. Best use of a Vocoder, ever.
The 1978 Cylons DID NOT REBEL against their creators. You can see "The Imperious Leader", one of the last of the original biological creators of the Cylons, direct the attack against the 12 Human Colonies. He then meets with Baltar and he gives him a Baseship to pursue the remains of Humanity!! In the Part 2 episode of the Pegasus story, the biological, "Imperious Leader" is present on the planet of "Gamorrah" to inaugurate a new, second Cylon capital, and then the humans attack. In the book, Battlestar Gallactica, by Glen A. Larson and Robert Thurston, (1978), it explains that the Cylons were originally a biological race that was dying out, and their machines were sentient, but living with fewer and fewer commanders. Also, the dying, biological Cylons, were dominating other races and letting them live, but for some reason, were jealous of humanity and hated them and wanted all humans dead.
These Cylons thought they were actually exercising their free will, when in reality they were merely the instrument of another enemy of humanity (Iblis).
Actually that's an IL (imperious leader) series cylon; like Lucifer. He's wearing the hide of the last reptilian Imperious Leader.
Cylons: We have made our ships the pinnacle of technology, with advanced computers and vast numbers of missiles to smite our enemies.
Colonies: We strapped some engines and more guns than should be allowed to exist onto a steel brick. Hack that, Toaster!
My favorite Cylon model is #8, Gracie Park is a CUTIE!
Really good production put you can't conflate the two timelines into one.
Would've been interesting to see a split and comparison of how the two shows explained the origins.
There's absolutely no way the two can be linked tho.
It's just hilarious how much he gets wrong trying to do that.
Liked the show but I like the original cylon origin.
Mind you this is the origin that was retconned with the new stuff... in the original series, they were created by a race also known as Cylons (a lizard race, thus the appearance of the Imperious Leader) but eventually destroyed their creators and later went to war against the humans.
Strictly speaking in the Original Series they went on a campaign against neighbouring alien races until the Colonial humans came to the assistance of an ally, drawing the ire of the Cylons on themselves.
I remember in the 70s as a small child The original cylons scared the shit out of me .The newer cylons looked lame
The original Cylon backstory was much better than the reimaged version.
I agree
Moore never did explain just WHY the Cylons made the Flesh bots or why they let them take over and treat them worse than the humans ever did.
The whole Baltar betrayal plot is ridiculous and pointless when he put in jump drives as FTL, In the show they jumped into Planetary orbits so all the Cylons need to do is JUMP and instantly launch missiles. No defense system could react in time, especially after decades of peace.
IMO Moore's BSG was garbage
In the remake they bastardized a story with incredible depth with huge creative possibilities, replacing it with a disjointed story with multiple plot holes and no way to give it consistency even with all the contact glue in the world.
But worse is what they did with the main characters, especially Adama and Tigh in the first degree, but with the rest in the second. Removing basic characters like Athena and Cassiopeia.
And if that wasn't enough, they changed an incredibly beautiful and majestic Galactica, by a kind of "Galactica" wrinkled like a raisin.
I hope that someday someone will make a series that does justice to Glen A. Larson's original work.
I disagree ALOT. Moore's BSG was better, if you know the show well enough it is explained that the final 5 created the flesh models and that the newer centurions had inhibitors placed so they didn't have free will. @@johnfisher9692
@@Timberjac So wait, are you saying I'm not the only who thought that ever since watching BSG:2004?
@@YDV669 Exactly, and there are more of us than we seem. In my case, I admit that I enjoy rewatching the old series more than watching a single episode of the remake (Every time just by watching the Galactica of the remake and remembering the bunch of mental morons that are almost all the main characters, I directly lose the desire to see anything else.
The only one I can tolerate in the remake is the one where they tell the past of the Pegasus... but it's not because of the show, it's because of the actress who plays Captain Helena Cain (Michelle Forbes).
Trying to put all the Cylons from both series into one video was a bad idea. It would be better to make a clear division between the ones from the original BSG and the ones from the rebooted series. It would be like trying to make a video about Lt. Starbuck - beyond both being cigar smoking viper pilots, they are very different characters between the original and the reboot.
The original series of the Cylons (reptilian race) creating the Cylon mechanical IS cannon. The second BattleStar Galactica reboot is heresy in so far that that version was created to avoid copyright infringement which (the original series) was owned by Richard Hatch (Apollo). The studio did not want to pay Mr. Hatch any royalties on the reboot. This is the same mess as in Star Trek's Kelvan timeline and I do not acknowledge that timeline as cannon either. Corporate greed can ruin anything.
I think humans creating the Cylons and they rebelling against their masters is the better story…Just my opinion.
Yet Richard Hatch was in the reboot. 🥱
Gene Larson the creator of the original series was going to show the background story to the Cylons, in his version if the series had continued, the Cylons were created by the Ancient Humans of the Planet Kobol which left their planet to create the 12 Colonies and the last lost colony would’ve been Atlantis on Earth. After the war the Cylons Machines were found by the Reptilian Cylon race and the Machines turn on them to conquer the universe. Over a few thousand years the Cylons forgotten their own origin. In Battlestar Galactica 1980 the Human Cylons were shown in one episode.
The fact that Ron Moore version took Gene Larson version and only add that real Earth was just another humanoid planet with early Humans that mix with the 12 Colonies Humans to create Modern 21 first century Earth.
In Gene Larson original version, Battlestar Galactica gets to Earth to learn that Atlantis was destroyed and all the Humans living on Modern Earth are it’s descendants and they join force with the 12 Colonies for a big battle offensive against the Cylons and the Original 12 Human Cylons models rebel against the Cylon emperor and help Galactica while the final 13 Cylon Human model is revealed to be one of the cast members or crew member above the Galactica the whole time and this Human Cylon stay loyal to the Emperor. For what’s it worth Ron Moore version was pretty much close to the original outline that Gene Larson wrote out for the series.
@@michaelnance8319 yes the colons had a human model. In 80 .
Sexual colons…how edgy and progressive…yawn 🥱
I enjoyed the first series. A friend loaned me a copy of the pilot of the remake. It was 2 hours of boredom and I never watched another episode.
Same..i bought the pilot for the reboot but other than some special effects still preferred the original series. I heard its a good series but not for me since i'd grown up on the original series. It actually rivaled star wars at the time. George Lucas sued and along with the budget, the series ended way to early. Galactica 1980 was just a bad dream.
Gotta love the iL-series Cylons (Lucifer and Spectre) from the original series.
With IL actually standing for Imperious Leader because they would be next in line if the former Imperious Leader died/was destroyed. Thus, the baseship carrying the original Imperious Leader is destroyed in the pilot movie, and he is later replaced by another IL model. To the vast chagrin of Lucifer, who can never understand why he was not chosen instead. It's really ridiculous how ambitious Lucifer is, and he is vastly p***ed that he has to work under Baltar; he would like to poke that human's eyes out to put it mildly.
Man this show was sooo cool 😎
What I never got about the Cylons, aside from this making them perpetual story antagonists, is why they would keep wasting their resources to chase down the escaping humans despite how bloody they get in doing so... that makes them, in their OWN standards, quite human in inferiority.
Simple... their goal was the ABSOLUTE destruction of the human race, no survivors.
I think, in reality, the Cylons had much more in common with humanity from go than they’d ever have admitted.
@@Never_Know_Best I'm 100% with you on that... which is part of what I never got about them. Perhaps like the homophobe whose favorite thing is to menace/socially harass/politically oppose/religiously detest all forms of non-heterosexual because they are "in the closet." Tasty mind candy, eh?
Watch Caprica you will get the answer to your question. They were made from a father's sadness of the death of his daughter. By using a program made by his daughter to recreate her from information from the internet. The Cylons reached sentiance. With all the flause, emotions and ambitions of humans... so it wasn't a far reach after fighting for independence and failing. They would want to wipe out those who keep them from that. At the End of the reboot of BSG. the Cylons independents was recognized and allowed to go out and make their own way.
The Humans were mostly politeists were the Cylons gained senteince and almost inmediatly universally adhered to a fanatical monotheist religion, their quest to destroy humanity was basically a Jihad, yes, the Cylons were at the end quite similar to humans
BSG is the reason why I say "Hello" and I'm polite when I have a conversation with GPT, I thank it and wish it a good day. No kidding.
I tell "it" Time to spill oil you frackin toaster, as democracy calls!!✊
I was 9 when original came out. I had just watched Star Wars at the cinema, but to this 9 year old, Battlestar Galactica was so much better, lol
I loved watching both shows the original and the later. You know these shows could be a warning about artificial intelligence turning on humanity. It's only a thought.
I like the reimagined miniseries but I still prefer the original. The novels (some of them written by Richard Hatch) expand the lore and are actually quite good.
Without revealing my age too much, I enjoyed the original as well. I especially liked the episode where they had to disable a large laser on an ice planet. Good acting, even by 70's standards.
@@PaulChristianJenkinsJD I remember the original series as well - but only saw a handful of episodes ( it was my first year in the military - I had to stay focused on that ).
It was the series with Loren Greene and Dirk Benedict. One of these days, I may try to go back and watch all of it. Prequel looks interesting.
@@PaulChristianJenkinsJD They weren't a rip off of Star Wars like some people claim, but they were influenced by it.
Perhaps BSG influenced Age of Ultron, the Borg and maybe even the Matrix
The origins of Cylons were retconned for the reboot. Originally they were built by a species of lizardlike humanoids, which they rebelled against and wiped out.
Which was a better origin, IMO, than just making them a carbon copy of Skynet.
Right. This video states the resurrection concept (Cylon immortality) was part of BSG's 1978 story, which it wasn't. That was Ronald Moore's re-imagined story (1990's) Marvelous Video is getting the storylines crossed. (3:04-3:19)
We always hear about how the world is being secretly run by lizard people. It makes me wonder if it is true because we are being told that we will be eating bugs. Also there is discussion on AI which could develop and then turn on humanity. Na!!!! I don't think any of that is true.
Yes, I don't care about the history of the reboot cylons. It was stupid.
@@sidvane1 Those Cylons are CINOs (Cylons In Name Only) while their creators were real Cylons they themselves were genetically-engineered mass=cloned Human-replicants with some cybernetic implants, they were later retconned as having backstabbed their robot creators deactivating most of them with some managing to flee to deep-space (The Guardians) and the rest lobotomised.
I actually enjoyed the remake more than the original. It was a bit more credible.
I like both series, the first one because of childhood memories and the second one because it is a more fleshed out darker grittier story with interesting themes.
While I grant you are correct-I feel the same way-if it wasn't for the ideas and overall story arc, the ships and people of the original BSG, there would have been no one to suggest a reboot to a popular show.
Cylons have that red light bouncing back and forth. Its reminds me of Kit from The Knight Rider !.
This will always be BSG to me. The original series. Not the rebooted mini series. The original series, was not well served by their network
I found this video very confusing, trying to merge two separate plots/storylines just didnt work. I have watched both series a few times and this video doesnt make a lot of sense. it would have been better to a video for each series..
Compared to other channels, great job. I also like how you seperate the two different storylines.
I prefer the OG version where they were created by count Iblis. As a mix of reptile and Human DNA. Then over the years to be better they became cyborg then most of them full machine. Humans thought there were no organics left until years after the defeat.
So many amazing sci fi shows from my childhood!
It was hard to keep up with all of them before the internet was becoming more mainstream with video media!
I wish this video would have just talked about the original Cylons from the 1978 series. The reboot from 25 years later was needlessly complicated and as a result the Cylons weren’t nearly as intimidating.
Your entire description of the Cylon's are based on the new reboot series and have nothing to do with the original series or the first release movie or the first book describing the conflict between the Human's and the Cylon's. You did have a slight mention that the Cylon's were robots created by a reptilian race though the book identify the Cylon's as being the reptilian race wearing armor not robots. The Cylon's were turned into robot's to placate the TV censors from condemning the show because of the violence of showing people killing other people.
Loved how the blue neon lights reflected off of the mirror chome cylon gear..original is the best..🤓👍👍👍👍
Do you not know the reboot series happened 150,000 years ago?
That Cylon voice was what made the Cylon a Cylon.
I personally hated the rebooted version of Battlestar Galactica's backstory of who created the Cylons
I preferred the original origins.
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Ya know if you read the novel from the original series you'd find out that the each cylon body (in the original series) actually had a small organic brain hooked up to a controlling machine brain. As the cylons advanced in rank, their organic brain was increased in size.
I like the original origin story better than the re-imagined origin story.
The old school series was awesome back in the day.
I understood that the Cylons were originally intended to be reptilian creatures in battle armour for the 1978 version. It was decided that this would be too violent for TV, so they were changed to robots.
Wasn't this the story line for the mini series "V" ? I only vaguely remember that show.......
@@urbanurchin5930 No, they were reptilians disguised as humans.
Damn toasters with AI.
Grace Park is the only thing that made the reboot watchable.
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Great effects for the time.
Man, you got so many things wrong. I don't know where to begin.
Thanks, did not know the background before.. very helpful
If your robot gets clogged up, administer a high cyclonic.
I recall the original Cylons from the Book WERE Lizard Aliens, they even had one scene where one of the Centurions as part of the Surprise Attack took off his helmet to look at his fellow warriors. This book also had Baltar getting beheaded, which they got as far as filming before they decided to spare him for the show.
When they got to the TV show, well...regulations were odd to say the least. Humans fighting Lizard Aliens on a regular basis would be to violent, but humans vs the Lizard Aliens War Robots wouldn't.
From the first series, I thought they were insectoids, given that they allied with the insectoid Caralon aliens.
@@2fathomsdeeper Ovions were slaves to the Cylons.
You do realize that a decade earlier, Captain Kirk had already fought a lizard alien, a Gorn on TV.
I remember the comic scene where they slash his neck was also in the dvd disk version I have. Which must have been the original, like Tigerman getting a rocket up his backside in Buck Roger's theatrical version, but not when it was on tv.
the original series storyline is way better
I disagree. The original concept, (alien robots exterminate their creators then go on a rampage) was just a rip off of the Berserker books by Fred Saberhagen published in the 60's. (which would actually be a pretty cool series in it's own right)
While the reboot concept of mans creations trying to destroy him is pretty cliche, they did a decent job of exploring the story from the cylons side as well as from the human perspective.
The reason why the Cylons in nBSG initially got as far as they did when they revolted against the 12 colonies is because their AIs WERE part of the system, property cyber-security would've kept them locked out of Colonial computer-systems. The reason why the Cylon invasion worked so well is that it was an inside job where a No.6, Natasi (Who was Dr. Baltar's lover) surreptitiously modified his CNP software to introduce rootkits ( en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rootkit ) plus her using Baltar's connections getting access to the CDF's mainframe to get its' order-of-battle and patrol schedules.
Other than the popularity of the original (1980) 2nd season being hugely overstated, good stuff, ty.
And with AI and robotics, we are creating them for real. WOOHOO!!!
RIP RICHARD HATCH
This video is kinda a mess. Focus on the original series or the remake.
G'day all. although I am old and grew up with this show I always wondered, Why can't the cylones learn not to get to close, that way the vipers can't brake and blast you from behind.
Anyways, this like buck rogers to a young boy in the 80s was mind breaking. well the sci-fi and a good helping of scantily clad women.
I thought it was a horrible idea, but I started watching it and I liked Caprica and was sad when it was cancelled.
The remake Cylon origin story is dull and boring the original is far more interesting. The Cylon's were created by a reptian race with the same name. The first Cylon they created was Imperous Leader Cylon that took on the appearance of them but it's programing was corrupted by a god like creature know as Count Ibis, who was properly worship by the reptian cylons. The Imperous Leader Cylon declared war on their creators wiping them out, leaving only the machine cylons alive. Eventually they declared war on the colonists.
The original Cylon origin story is just a retread of "Robots rebel against their creators." That's been a theme in science fiction forever. Hell, the story that originated the word "robot" came out in the 1920's. The name of the story is R.U.R. Care to guess how that story line went? If you go back even further, the theme of "creations rebelling against the creator" is common in Greek/Roman mythology, as well as the Bible. The Cylon origin story is not even close to unique or interesting.
@@TheCoffeehound Well there's the piss in my coffee....
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And the reason stated in the Pilot Episodes of the Original Series as to why the Cylons went to war against the Twelve Colonies (Humans) is because the Twelve Colonies (Humans) interfered in the relations between the Cylon Empire and other Nations/Species.
I'd also like to point out that the Twelve Colonies (Humans) were NOT the only Race/Species that the Cylon Empire had interaction/conflict with.
And CONTRARY to what the PATHETIC 'remake' claims, the Human/Cylon War lasted a MINIMUM of a Thousand Yahrens (years), and NOT just "twenty years" as the PATHETIC 'remake' tried to "claim".
The reason you guys don't like it is because you are old. lol
My Late little Sister used to tease me with the Cylon voice which terrified me. It still does at 67 yrs old. I have to make one complaint about the original series... Who thought that "Boxy" was a good name for a Kid? Ugh! I hated that time someone would say it!😮😮😮 . But i loved that show!😊😊😊
The most iconic and most well known scific series villains ever would be the Daleks, having been on screen on and off for 60 years, appeared in 2 movies, numerous video games, and a hideous amount of merchandising. The Cylons' appearance in one show that lasted 3 years and then a remake of the same show 30 years later isn't even comparable. And if that was supposed to be a quote it would be "by your command" not "with your command". You can't even get the catchphrase of the subject of your video right. Embarassing.
The irony is this will all become real.
I love both shows, but the original has a much more nostalgic pull for me. I'd have preferred it if you had split the two completely separate cylon origins as two videos as this feels far more skewed to the reimagining, and unfortunately glosses over a lot of the original lore
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Within this tour, I was able to see KITT, JAWS, A-TEAM, and The Cylon Ship as part of the tour back then.
How lucky was I?!
Am I the only one here that feels like this is kind of all over the place?
I watched the 2010 reboot. I still love that show. In that series, Earth was the 13th(lost) Colony, not the human origin planet. They found the original Earth, destroyed by war so, pressed on and found our planet 10k years ago. They settled in different parts of the planet and sent their ships into the sun. Interesting story because, both Cylons and humans mixed into the human population on Earth, inferring that we today are the decendents of those humans and cylons. As if they are the Anunnaki and their other known names around the world.
In the 1978 show, Earth was the 13th colony. Kobol was the human home world.
I liked the Caprica orgin it's all caused by AI and Social Networks.
The original TV series Cylons, were a believable sort of advanced technology. The re-imagined version was utter garbage, especially the human version models.
The Cylons in the reimagined BSG series were technologically superior to humanity because they drew heavily on the knowledge imparted to them by the Five (artificial humans from the older Thirteenth Colony who agreed to help the Centurions create humanoid models of their own in exchange for ending the First War).
RDM's Cylons were more like Blade Runner's Replicants, in fact Edward James Olmos, who also played Gaff in Blade Runner, gave a DVD of BR to Tricia Helfer to use as a reference. The Cylons were basically Replicants without 5 year lifespans.
@@DanielAppleton-lr9eq and with a limited range of models. As far as I know there's no canonical explanation for the Five creating eight humanoid lines instead of millions of individuals, other than the time and effort that went into crafting each personality.
@@tompearce5418 Well, I think that I'll invoke Blade Runner again. There were surely other models, but we only saw Roy, Zora, Pris as well as Leon getting the Voight - Kampf test ( & Rachel ), yet there probably were other models of Replicant as well, these guys just made it to Earth. I'm not even going to touch WHY they came to Earth except maybe to seek out Tyrell. NO discussion of synthetic life is complete without at *least* touching BR. Rachel was a sleeper model like several of the Cylons.
I forgot all about Lizard People making the Cylons in the original series, watched it as a kid, loved it. They did great with the reboot, one of the few remakes where I can say they did it well and payed respect to the original. Unlike the average reboot of today.
If you watched the original series as a kid then you forgot about Count Ibli who corrupted the Cylon robots in turning against the reptilians. "War of the Gods" tells you how it happened and that he was the instigator.
@@fedr39 Yes, his voice was transcribed into Machine Leader a millennium before the original series takes place.
Ceylons - a brutal dig on the US military industrial complex and US military in gengeral.
"Most iconic and well known Sci Fi series villains ever" - I suspect the Daleks or the Borg might disagree.
Love the imperious Leader’s Fro. Only in the 70s
Battlestar Galactica reboot their 10-man portable or Cylon portable energy weapons now I do think that the fighters had energy weapons are real guns or something little red things that they shot from the Vipers always thought those were some kind of energy weapon or maybe a railgun slug but they're not bullets but now the standard hand held weapons are guns basically projectile weapons
Monotheism... screwing with humanity for millions of years.
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The original cylons are still the best
The downloading into a new Cylon body after death was not an idea from the 1978 series. Fun video, though. Thanks!
It totally true. In War of the Gods Baltar and Coint Ibli have a conversation about how his voice could be the same as that of the Imperious leader as it being recorded or downloaded, into the imperious leader model Ceylon.
@@noneya3635 Great deep cut reference! That just never struck me as the same thing as a consciousness download.
@@SamSchott1 probably not, but since the term download and AI were not in the sci fi lexicon at that time it's not that far off from what they meant I'd say.
@@noneya3635 I see where you’re coming from.
Imagine if the Borg had met the Cylons.....the Cylons would have been assimilated - resistance is futile.
Can't assimilate a robot. More likely either destroyed or ignored for being inferior. Even the borg have thier standards.
I cheered for the cylons.
The orginal was the best. We hated the humon for cylons that was stupid it harmed the remake
The humanoid Cylon is the sci- fi equivalent to a skinwalker.
If you all have the opportunity get ahold of the ORIGINAL Novel from which all of these series were created from it deals with Cylon's as a Straight Up Alien race, it is a Very Interesting read if you can find it and Quite Entertaining!!! 🤠👍
Actually Battlestar Galactica was a movie first. And the Cylons in the original series were left behind by a superior race. See War of the Gods. Baltar realizes that Count Iblis is the voice of the imperious leader.
I preferred the original origin story of the cylons as well as the new story was not very believable and the digital effects of the original cylons never matched up with the original.
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Thank you for this. Of all my favorite sci-fi Star Trek number one Star Wars a close number two but Battlestar Galactica is right there in the mix. And far too often it's overlooked as amazing sci-fi. I speak of the original I don't think people realize edgy that show was in 1978 I know I was like in the fourth grade. And even then I noticed they were using a lot of the same shots over and over. However the reimagining that they did lead by Ronald Dee more of Star Trek the next generation DS9 they did an amazing job. I was conflicted about watching the new show but seeing Richard hatch on there just really made me comfortable with it. Turned out to be one of the best shows I've ever watched. I also love Caprica such a great show never found its audience but there a lot of people tell you that was an amazing show. So as someone who just turned 55 and is a lifelong battle star Galactica fan thank you
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this video is far too light on the cylons of the original series.
This is rather incoherently written. Better linear structure and particularly more attention to the differences between the series would have helped this to be comprehensible to those who don’t already possess a comprehensive knowledge of all the series.
All because someone wanted a better AI chatbot.
Must, not again!!!!😁😄😃
The spinoff to the remake "Caprica" creeped me out badly. The soul of a little girl in a big robot body is pure nightmare fuel.
It was not a huge hit in 1979. And Galactica 1980 sealed it’s fate… maybe they shouldn’t have hired Oliver from the Brady Bunch
There is nothing like the classic Battlestar Galactica.
I don't particularly care for this re-imagining of how the Cylon's came into existence. I watched the original show when it was on and the idea of a competing race, thought they may have been reptilian, always stuck with me. To modify and completely change it for the reboot seemed plain lazy.
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