Hyundai Elantra N vs Toyota GR Corolla - Head to Head Review!
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- Which sub-$40K daily friendly performance car is more fun to drive on a wet back road - the FWD Hyundai Elantra N or the ultra-hyped AWD Toyota GR Corolla Core?
*Correction: the OTD price difference between these 2 examples is over $16K, not $12K as stated in the video.
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Shoutout to Zygrene absolutely pumping out the content lately been loving it keep it up
Yup, I used to watch his videos many many years ago and then they disappeared. I'm glad I rediscovered him a few months ago, I suspect he's my age or close to it and his experience on cars and take is so much better than the newer folks. He's drawing from a deep well.
Great video! Taking notes on how to talk about driving dynamics ha. Definitely agree, love the EN outside of the styling. Can't wait to get into a GRC. Love the comparison videos. Keep 'em comin!
I think there's cross shopping between ALL of the enthusiast cars under 50k, so these comparisons are really good to see.
really quality content. Nice work
Great content bro! Honestly this is what real enthusiasts want to see two cars on back roads
Elantra N looks great in cyber grey.
Not sure how you could have planned it, but that shot at 7:00 showing you carving the EN with the rainbow in the backdrop couldn’t be more perfect.
Great review! Both look so fun to drive, but I’m hoping to get the EN within the next year or two. It does sound like a negative that the clutch engagement isn’t there, but every reviewer I’ve seen, from someone with 40 views to 400k, seems to no longer care once they start taking off in the EN. Looks like such a fun canyon carver.
And like you said: taste is always subjective. I for one actually love the style of the EN. The side view especially with the lines for some reason I just really like. Grill is growing on me too. I love the look of the Type R, and the new Integra even I think looks really good, but all for different reasons.
I think the reason I like the EN is for some odd reason the shape of it reminds me of my cousins Mercury Cougar. I always liked that car, and even though I don’t think they actually look alike, the EN especially from the rear makes me think of that car, and how much I always liked that style.
Didn't even notice the rainbow shot! Well said - styling is completely subjective
It's worth it to note the price difference is a base GR without performance package (something that's absolutely required).
have lived with FWD for my entire life here in upstate NY, i'm over it. would have purchased a WRX already if subaru offered with a lift/hatch. i'll keep waiting to snag a GRC at msrp, should be a blast to drive in the rain & snow! awesome comparison, great content as always.
Upstate, NY as well. Good time to buy a WRX, you can find them 3K below sticker.
Good luck finding it for MSRP, I mean that
Uff, what a video. Man, Zygrene, that GR definitely doesn't have that elegance both inside and outside of the FL5, but there is just some raw E30 M3 vibe about this car, with its small size, extended body work, slightly slower responses and insane (for its time) hustling capability. Can't wait to drive one, just felt so mechanical in your video. Never seen a car hustle up a wet road like that.
I also suspect, with its iron sleeved cylinders and Toyota Japan build, this car is going to be on the road and a classic for decades vs the Hyundai esp. Hyundai has priced their car well though, superb warranty and a Type R for the masses.
Great time to be a car enthusiast.
I haven't driven an E30 M3 but that analogy speaks to my soul
@@Zygrene you will soon, I have little doubt.
I just got a GRC. I’ve driven very fast cars, including a GT3 in track. The GRC doesn’t make sense until it is pushed very hard. It is a totally ridiculous car in every sense, and can pull 1g maneuvers in absolute confidence. You are right, it’s destined to be a future classic.
Hard to stall with lighter wheels vs the stock boat anchor (my 18" weights 18lbs). 4wd doesn't increase latter grip, but pulling around the turn with accelerator (with AWD advantage) is easier then kicking out the rear end out before apex (FWD). When front isn't biting-in (cause of traction issue), need to change how to attack the turns and get the nose facing-in early so that powering-out is maximized. Once you learn the fwd, it becomes easy to kick-out the rear end even in long sweeper.
Great honest review! However, price difference is like 11k+ here in NYC
I hope you can get a STi with a good track alignment to review soon.
Think you nailed the comparison maybe the Elantra will get better looking on the refresh ?
What brand of car mount were you using for the unused section of the dash?
The gr Corolla is giving mitsubishi evo vibes. Absolute bare bones, not segment leading interior quality, all the money dumped into the motor and chassis and seats ! Love this thing for that reason and always been a fan of the styling Toyota took for the hatch !
great content as always! The EN is great to pitch into a corner and trail brake the back end around, then pin it - but that's not wise to do on public roads. Impressive grip from the GRC in the wet.
the smile says it all.
I dunno why people hate on the EN look so much when the GR as that disgusting looking rear to me, bothers me a lot more then the EN looks in any angles.
For real. I was one of the few that hated how the GR looked since its debut.
The gr just looks like a generic, boring, old ish hatchback. The EN looks like some 1960s artist's concept of a "futuristic" car.
How does the EN owner do the throttle mod to move it closer to the brake? I wish to do the same
I hope Toyota continues to offer this trim with the next Corolla
Not a fair comparison, new GR Corolla is going for $55k where N is selling at MSRP $35K
If the Elantra was a hot car, it’d be marked up too. There’s a reason why it sells at Msrp, the same way the new wrx, integra is selling at msrp. Nobody really wants those
@@porschegt2346 or only dumb clowns who is financing $700 per month payment on glorified Corolla and living in getting apartment. People with money don't buy Civic type R or Corolla GR
@@francisgomes9976 the buyers finances is irrelevant to me. That’s the buyers problem. The R will retain its value above msrp after years. I highly doubt any Hyundai product does.
@@porschegt2346 are you buying one for $55k?
I will leave it at this 🎤🤛
@@francisgomes9976 I have a fl5 type r already.
What road is this? I would like to try it.
I absolutely love the the Elantra n. But i love the GRC more hence why I bought one
Fenton, not related to this video. Can you do a S2000 Vs manual Supra (Toyota made a ton of improvements Vs the auto you did a video on) take one day. RWD, long hood, short deck, 50-50, roadster platform and hyper agile reflexes. Would love your take.
If I can get access to another manual Supra in the future, sure. Running out of time with this one unfortunately.
Between these two cars I prefer the N substantially more.
For car and driver, the kona n did very well for what it is at vir track. Hyundai did a very good job with all of the n cars. You sold me on awd though... I like awd. I like not dying. But other people may not care for such assists me.... I'm happy to merge man and computer just fine.
Think it would have been good to go 50:50 in the GR and see if it was then a little more pointy.
I guess you didn’t test the velosterN , that clutch was really hard.. Elantra feel all smooth beside
Just based off the interior il take the Elantra and I’m a Lexus guy myself but that Elantra N is something else fr!
Zygrene, can you get any oversteer out of these cars? I'm only interested in cars that are RWD or slightly driftable, that's why I didn't love the Type R either.
The CTR and EN won’t oversteer…. They will rotate under trail braking tho /letting off.
Oversteer is possible on the CGR in 30/70 split and traction control off or on sport mode
@@pinnnkytonthis is wrong. Multiple reviewers have driven track reviews with pro drivers (savagegeese 5 way comparison) or track instructors (the Topher) have mentioned that the Elantra oversteers the most out, more than the fl5 and more than the gr. It is definitely one of the most over steering fwd cars of all time. They mention the gr corolla cannot slide the rear if it's not wet.
There are a ton of Elantra N oversteer clips on youtube. I can lift off oversteer around corners while on 200tw Yokohama ad09's. I've even seen someone do a donut in first gear with the e brake on in the dry.
I would love you to drive a 2022 WRX and compare it to the GR!
I think the gr would be more a comparison against the sti if it still existed.
I think "gaping front grill" is just a thing with turbo cars. Have to get the air in for cooling, especially if the car will spend any time on a track or idling around town at low speed.
I think he was just referencing how hideous it was. Not necessarily it’s functionality. There’s plenty of functional “gaping” front grills on cars that don’t look this ugly.
@@BlueFL5
I'm not a fan of the looks either. And Toyota does seem to be the worst offender right now - they even have "bass mouth" grills on cars that don't have turbos. But it's also true that the new Civic Type R has a pretty gaping maw, too.
Thanks for the Elantra N vids lately; I've test driven the DCT, but haven't found a manual one to drive yet. Coming from Honda manuals, it's disappointing (but not surprising) to learn that the Elantra N gearbox and clutch feel are not up to the same tier. Since it would be my only car, I'm more inclined to go with the DCT version. Would you go DCT or still go with the 6MT version if it was your only car for all purposes?
Dct owner here, I have a kswapped eg civic also as the weekend fun car. Imo the the 6spd in the EN seems pretty lack luster but the dct adds a bit of exoticness to the driving experience, its tuned so well! My car is a daily too and I love how at the push of a button I can go from comfy highway cruisers getting 30 mpg to attacking a off ramp in N mode. The car has a great dual personality
I'm such a manual diehard that I would have a hard time picking the DCT. It's the principle!
@@Zygrene will you be driving a dct 👀?
DCT is amazing in the Elantra n. It's PDK level
I am normally a diehard manual guy as well, but Hyundai’s stick just isn’t that great. The DCT on the other hand is alchemy, and faster to boot.
Mark ups are what kills these cars(fl5,gr corolla) for me. u can order one from a so called "non-mark up" dealer and still see random protection crap added when the car lands. Was offered a fl5 a while ago with +$15k worth of full car 3m PPF and ceramic coating. That's 15k that could have gone into mods, many track days, and wearables for owners to properly enjoy the car.
I think with the hybrid turbo setup I did see some dynos showing the 2021+ N cars making closer to 270 at the wheels, not crank. Might be why you feel it was faster. Of course, that requires octane learning to be complete. Car feels kinda meh until it learns then I feel like it's pulling my face out of the corners.
Then you haven't really driven fast cars then.
talking about 270hp no sh1t@@davothegreat9990
The real question is which car provides higher zygiggle per mile
Ess two thousand
wish the GR had the N's seats....
Question.. so I Love N performance but the EN is pretty-hideous to look at. Im currently trying to find myself a fun weekend enthusiast car and considering Veloster N, GR86 , GR Corolla. I already have an AWD daily (22 WRX) so AWD and practicality is not a consideration at all. Just trying to figure out which car do you think has the best driving dynamics and fun factor on hitting twisty backroads extremely aggressively without considering daily duties comfort, tech, etc? strictly only driving dynamics. I’m equating the Veloster N to elentra just better looking and will only drive/buy a manual (as that adds to the fun for me) thanks
Hopefully the Toyota supply becomes more available. All the dealers in my area want $15K over.
Toyota just announced a few days ago that they are increasing production
@NatcheZ D that's great news need wayyyyy more GR products built and Type R screw this exclusive mark up club
@@sunnyvalentino it probably still won't be nearly enough to meet demand. So markups will be never ending for the GR. You have to greatly take into consideration that they also need to fill orders in Japan. It's all a fuster cluck 😆
Switch on the auto blipper. That is part of your job as an automotive reviewer!
The Elantra N in the color black might improve the looks and such good value for money. I found a msrp gr Corolla in California but I just picked up a 2022 Corolla XSE in manual so I might have to pass.
If you can buy a gr Corolla at MSRP in California jump on it my friend, my dealer in Canada called me today and said my gr Corolla will be coming in in April a supersonic red with no ADM.
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I think it would’ve been a better comparison in the 60/40 setting since the EN is fwd
276hp… hmm that number sounds familiar…
Hyundai Elantra N has performance and design suitable for the younger generation. However, Toyota GR Corolla is suitable for older people. I will be purchasing the Elantra N as my second car.
Lol what??
Sorry, but both young and older adults think the EN is hideous. Lol
I’m in Australia and have now test driven both these cars. I think the Elantra N (I30 sedan N in Australia) is the pick. Reasons being in my opinion: it handles better, it’s $15-20K cheaper, heated & cooled seats. I liked the GR Corolla but I think the GR Corolla is overrated and overpriced.
The interior of that GR Corolla is lackluster, the Elantra N interior is much nicer.
Love the GR but real world pricing is 45-50k and I’m not paying that for a Corolla. Very happy with my car. I drive the Veloster N manual performance blue. Love N cars. Performance, exhaust, fun, and priced very well for what you get.
Keep the Hyundai with its Reliability issues then 😂
That's an expensive hyundai 😬
I just sold my 2020 Veloster n and I have to say it had horrible wheel hop the entire car shook like crazy and understeered heavily in corners I'm getting my gr Corolla in April can't wait all-wheel drive traction oh yeah
@@dougmaverick4108 Hyundai’s have Terrible Build Quality. 500,000 Cars recalled for Engine Faults / Gearboxes & every N Model also Has been Recalled. No thanks 🙏 to Hyundai Quality.
The Toyota will be ‘Worth Twice as much in 5 years as the Hyundai’ I would rather pay for Build Quality not Junk.
Is it my imagination, or had you already posted this content previously? Maybe I have just been watching too much content of these 2 awesome sport compacts lately. 🤷♂️
15:05 OTD price $52k if the markup was 13k? how? i cant do math. $38k + $13k + you guys dont pay tax?
Check the video description. I misspoke in the video.
Hyundai vs Toyota resale values tells me all I need to know about the two of these. Corolla all day.
I'm sure the EN will hold its value. Still don't want one tho
@@mengx94 depends how many motors spontaneously combust or wear out prematurely
That is what the 100K warranty is for. Let it blow up until they get it right at least you have a new engine/car IMO. I had a 2013,2015 and 2020 Veloster now. First two lost to accidents and still dove the 2015 home 30mins with deer guts all over it. Each to their own I suppose though. @@pt93music
I was about to ask you to shoot my N lol
The Elantra N interior and performance is perfect, but the exterior is hideous to me.
designed with an Etch-A-Sketch pad
Totally agree with you. Origami design language lol. It's too bad too, otherwise pretty awesome car.
EN is such a value, but I just don't want to drive something so hiedous
Amen
I couldn't come up with an argument if I tried
Looks can be personal preference, but the way the Hyundai brand takes care of their customers, makes me want to run away as fast as I can... in the GRC.
@tofulo, if there will be an aftermarket front bumper with a different look, i would consider the N
It's kinda nice having no fan girls(guys) breaking there necks annoying me compared to my other cars
Elantra N has better interior but exterior is really bad. I would take GR corolla any day love that hatchback
Anyone else like the EN exterior look? It's grown on me honestly... It's low, and has a big FU to haters look, unapologetic and uncompromised.
...whereas the Corolla looks safe and standard.
Grown on me a bit, especially in the cooler colors, it's just the grill I mostly still hate. Really does look like a shark and not one of the cool ones unfortunately lol. Corolla is a bit boring for sure though.
Yeah, digging my new 23 EN cyber grey manual! Actually the front end is my favorite part of the exterior
The thing I would look at here is reliability. I'm looking at the next segment up, which is supra vs cayman. And While I really love the Cayman so much more, the speck I would want is 98k vs 59k (plus markups) for the A91-MT supra. Mixed with Toyotas reliability and Porsches high maintaince and repair costs, the gap gets even bigger. So the Supra is where I will likely go. Have to factor in the amount of issues Elantra N owners are having. You can justify it by saying well they have a 10 year 100,000 mile warranty, but most car enthusiasts like some mods, especially exhaust mods, so you can rest assure you will be fighting to get them to fix problems under the warranty, especially the engine scoring issues they are having. The laws are clear, but manufacuers have heir own rules, like dealers can refuse to work on modified cars, even if it's a warranty issue (only exception is a recall), so if they all say can't touch it, it's modified, your warranty doesn't really mean anything. I ran into this problem with my subaru.
It’s actually a rear biased AWD, with a centre coupling that can allow slip to give 50:50 or 60:40. This is done by having slightly different final drive ratios front and back.
Anyone I've seen drive it says you really don't feel the bias. The car still under-steers like a FWD.
@@AntiJovial it understeers worse than a front wheel drive, and worse than a rear wheel drive for that matter, because it is all wheel drive..
Even in 30/70 mode power is not always going to be sent to the rear wheels. The system is intelligent in the fact that if you are not cornering and on a straight, power is only going to be sent to the front wheels. The savagegeese review explains this better
@@hemantsathian2492 correct. The awd controller reduces rear torque when not needed and ramps it back up as you need it. Although to the point, without the trickery of the centre clutch disengaging the mechanical system puts more torque to the rear.
If money was not an object and my other half can drive manual I would get GRC but the mark-up here in Australia about $10-13K more then EN. EN offers DCT which I wish Toyota would have done so.
Nah we don’t want a DCT.
You'll get your money back on the GRC when you sell it in the future. The resale value will be significantly more. However, not with that ridiculous dealer's markup.
Sounds like your friend overpaid like crazy. I can name 3 dealers with them on the lot right now for msrp. Mine comes into the dealer inn2 weeks for msrp. Don't use your friends experience as the norm. He got screwed and shouldn't have agreed to that
I'd think about buying an elantra n.. but the fact that it doesn't have smart cruise control (can't use 'comma 3' device with it- I don't believe), ventilated seats, or more importantly heated steering wheel is a turn off for me.
I have a Cyber Gray Elantra N and it really changes the looks with aftermarket black rims. It is totally better looking than the Toyota GR Corolla. I did a back road run with a Porsche 911 in front and a Ferrarai F12 behind me. Driving at a 'spirited' pace on winding back roads for 68 miles I was keeping up with the pack. Upon finishing the run, the Ferrari driver said - that thing is pretty quick; referring to my Elantra!
If the Elantra N looked better I'd have one by now.
Elantra N especially if it becomes awd
You want AWD but then will complain that it costs 40k+
It doesn't.
If the Corolla were MSRP that’s probably how I would go, though I prefer the tuning of the N. I haven’t heard good things about the way Hyundai treats enthusiasts, and I would 100% autocross this car. Toyota had a moment with BRZ warranty questions but backed down.
As a Veloster N owner, the worst part is the dealer experience. The car itself is great and such a good bargain though. If you don't need AWD, I would honestly go with the Elantra and just wait until the GRC becomes more available at msrp. That way you can test drive the GR and compare it. If you love it, easy choice to trade in, if not, you saved yourself some money and had fun in the interim!
Love the content! The Elantra N is faster, exceedingly capable, more comfortable and cheaper. However, I also like to look at my car, and that Elantra is fugly! I'll take the keys to the GR Corolla please.
let's see WRX vs GR Corolla
Would love to review the new WRX if anyone has one
It's sinn full to compare that to GR corolla
No AYC, no thanks 😂
Evoboiz
I keep my cars for a long time so the choice is clear, the Corolla GR. The Elantra N is very impressive but it is not proven long term. Both cars are high strung and stressed, I see major maintenance much sooner on the Elantra than the Corolla and I think resale values will show this too.
Proven how, I've had my veloster N for 20K miles and no issues
@@i.d.6492 he is talking about 100k plus miles
Honestly the best thing about the Elantra N is it's DCT. It's near PDK level.
No it’s not. Lol.
@@porschegt2346 oh but it is…
@@oraclemiata845 unfortunately no. The Porsches logic is much faster and better tuned. The dct the N i tracked was messy in first gear and slow to react for spirited driving and got lost at times.
Well ok, but your wrong though. So there’s that.
EN Hands down. Reputable journalists (not like doug demuro) has repeatedly stated the EN feels better than even the mighty CTR at the limit of corners. Looks like ass altho slowly growing on me. Albert bierman really did good work on the EN
I currently own a corolla for my daily, but I just think there's no way the GR will be reliable over time if you drive it for its intended use.
The engines and internals are BEEFY. It's built to last. It's an actual Toyota powerplant unlike the Zupra or 86
so you trust a huyndai more? lol
I'm not saying I trust a hyundai more. I am saying that getting that much power out of such a small engine that has the intended purpose of performance driving won't result in longevity. The #1 killer of engines is heat. The overheating for this car has already been documented. Whether it's pre-ignition that causes knock, pulls timing, or straight-up catastrophic failure. Oil breakdown, loss of combustion chamber pressure, the list goes on. This engine simply won't last, and I suspect the AWD system won't either. Just because it's a toyota doesn't mean it's perfect. The reason toyota is known for reliability is that they don't push the boundaries of squeezing everything they can from a powerplant. Which is obviously not what they have done in this case
@@andrewrossnagel9433 those issues have happened with stock cars? I don't believe that
I haven't heard of anyone blowing up their GR Yaris engine (besides a youtuber that miss shifted) in over two years of driving.
i am a die hard manual fan out of my 20+ cars ive owned only 1 has been an auto and i would take the dct over the manual in the N
I’m also a Mr. Manual guy and bought the 6sp N. I LOVE it but people rave about the DCT. Would love the chance to at least drive it once to see what it’s like.
good cars i geuss for front wheel drive?, but they are both incredibly ugly designs...and for that reason it's a no...I'd take the yota if i had to
My guy, you push these cars to the limit and it makes your videos that much better, but please dear god be careful, never wanna have you go over the ledge. Ever considered wearing a helmet for these?
Reason the GR doesn't feel as fast at speed is because of the 4wd system makes the car so stable
The Toyota Yaris 1.6 turbo charge that's in this corolla GR wud still smoke this Ungly hundia.
Gotta disagree. The Elantra has a very plasticky interior. Corolla maybe plain inside, but it’s more plush with all that soft touch materials. And the Corolla is definitely worth the price because Toyota’s generally are built much better than Hyundais. And the Elantra doesn’t offer any more gimmicks than the Corolla so that’s not a value difference.
Hyundai would just get stolen.
Unfortunately the Elantra N is so butt ugly, I don't know why anyone would want to buy it.
The Veloster N and i30N look soooo much better.
I recently sold my Veloster n and it had horrible wheel hop and understeer in the corners, I'm really looking forward to getting my new gr Corolla in April.
I love the Elantra N looks though and I only get compliments
Thank you for reviewing manual trans… auto is lame