I’m almost speechless to hear your story of abuse. The first thing I thought was you were kidnapped…being held against your will. It’s like being trapped and you can’t get away. That IS criminal! The fact that this was done by someone considered leadership takes it to a different level. There are laws that protect people against this type of abuse in a business setting. Not sure how it would be looked at in your situation, but it should be considered criminal!!!I’m not an attorney but I worked in leadership at a business and I warned all leadership that you cannot even block the exit of any person when meeting with them. All I can say is I’m thankful for your mom who knows, loves and cares for you. I appreciate your vulnerability in speaking out to help others. I’m praying for you, Sierra.
And it appears they wanted to let you know they didn't want you, but could find nor reason to fire you, so they tried to drive you out by their sh*tty behavior.
I'm pretty sure this happened before I joined staff, I lived in the area and I was saving up enough money to do an internship so I could have the ability to attempt to join staff and join a GPR worship team, the GPR is the main prayer room that is on the web stream but there were other prayer rooms, hope city was in the inner city, the All Nations prayer room was and I don't think they were at IHOP University yet, I think the Justice prayer room was still around back then too. I was just volunteering on a team at hope city, I was just a person who lived in Kansas City who came around to volunteer and help out. They wouldn't let you do that on camera, unless they were really desperate, and only if you knew the right people, and then only if you didn't draw too much attention to yourself, none of the rules there are enforced to consistently depending on how desperate they are, or how much they can use you. Etc. And then if you cross the wrong person all that favor goes away and the letter of the law suddenly exists, and it's usually laws they made up just for your situation. Nothing consistent. The rules were only there so they could push people out when they needed to, otherwise it was like they didn't exist . Makes for a really unhealthy environment. I don't remember if I mentioned this in the video, but the person who did this to me was one of the top leaders in one of the departments. Not like an executive leadership team member, nowhere near there, but they had people that reported to them, etc. And they let us worship team at the Hope City prayer room. So that makes it pretty messed up. And when people would treat me this way, I had aspirations to one day joined staff, so it was extra discouraging because I was worried that it was going to get in the way of the career I had come to try and build, the vocational Ministry I had intended to do. I really wanted to be a part of this thing that, from the stage, they sold as a very holy and high calling, it was a very big cost for me to come and try to join staff at International House of prayer. I feel like a sucker for falling for it, when I first was drawn to the place I was in college, pursuing an undergraduate degree as a prerequisite to attend medical school. I finished my undergraduate degree, and I was paying on my student loans, but instead of attending medical school I came to Kansas City to try and be a part of this thing God was doing, or at least that they claimed was something God was doing. All that only to be met with experiences like this...
Thanks for posting ❤ ! I was there 2011-15. I was approached by Donna Edwards, Mistys mom offering free help/support she was older w a no-nonsense kindness. Older people are usually nicer because they dont compete w you like same aged peer. Ihop should train/offer Simeon company (50+) or someone other than a peer as available to you. You were subject to peer whims and not true mentoring 😱. At age 25, I wouldve called my parents espec. when your safety is at stake ! You seem like a very gifted kind girl the leadership would use!! Pray your voice is heard and others like It 🌈 🎯 !
@@laurie9993 a lot of people I knew in my time at ihopkc didn't have that kind of relationship with their parents, or didn't have parents who would see the problem with that kind of situation and/or intervene. Unfortunately, the people who didn't have kind, available, nurturing parents were often the ones subjected to this kind of "correction." I know Robert and Donna, stayed with them when I got my wisdom teeth out in October of 2013. I don't think they quite had or have a grid for helping someone like me. It wouldn't have been a good fit. I appreciated them opening their home to me - don't get me wrong - but our lives were and are VERY different and someone who's been thru what I have needs a different kind of approach than the one they take. The Hesters have been and are more suited to handle someone like me. Too bad I didn't connect with them until after I left staff... And once I did, it contributed to a series of events that dominoed into them being fired, essentially. That's a story that will be told some day... As for gifting? At IHOPKC, gifting was useful to a point. But if you shined too bright, you got a target on you, for certain leaders operated with a mentality of harsh treatment towards the tallest blades of grass...
@@SieNoel Its counterproductive for ihop to destroy the larger gifted people or anyone. This type of leadership is a careless oversight. Besides MB, this faulty leadership is finally exposed! Dulous (Borin) Clan of ihop had a revelation Sept 2023: Ihops main issue was STRIFE! He is on youtube. Thank you for your courage and humilty in these posts! I pray ❤ on this and you, with perfect space and people to heal. That you are launched whereever god wants you, nothing less 🎯 🌈 !
I’m sorry you experienced that. I’ve been a Christian for half a centruy plus and I grew up in a Word of Faith church environment. Aside from all the unbiblical doctrine, there’s one thing that stands out to me about these kinds of churches (WoF, NAR, Hyper Charismatic, Uber Pentecostal, etc) and that is the power playing that goes on in them! Reading the accounts of what’s happening at IHOPKC, I recognise a lot of this stuff and it’s extremely toxic, not to mention dangerous, on many levels! Through the years I have researched IHOPKC, along with other churches or ministries with links to each other, I keep coming across the name of William Branham. I remember hearing my parents mention his name (among others) in conversations with friends of theirs, when I was young (I was 8 years old when Branham died) and I learned as I grew up that he had some weird unbiblical teachings, so I left it alone, but lately, I’ve been stirred to learn more about this man, as his influence with people like the Copelands, Bethel, Benny Hinn, etc, shows that his ‘ministry’ has been far more influential than I realised. If you look at the testimonies of people who have left 'the Message’ churches (that’s what Branhamites call their churches), you will find that this kind of power playing goes way beyond your darkest imaginings. I can give you links to websites put up bhy one or two men who were in the very heart of that cult and now reveal what they can about it to those who don’t know. Even a one hour video into the Branham cult will answer your question about where this attitude comes from and why it is prevalent at places like IHOPKC. Just a quick example of this is that Paul Cain, who was one of the Kansas City Prophets and a mentor of Mike Bickle, was the righthand man of William Branham when Branham was still alive and many times would act as his stand-in, if Branham was unable to be somewhere to speak. That is the TAMEST thing that can besaid about Paul Cain, whose actions were as bad as Mike Bickle’s at best and in many ways worse. This toxic behaviour is spread throughout the Pentecostla movement by their insistence on a ‘culture of honour’ and their repeated warning to; ‘touch not God’s anointed’, which I’m sure you’re familiar with. The levels of physical, mental, and spiritual abuse by people in leadership positions in churches with ties to churches such as IHOP, Bethel, Hillsong, and others, goes far beyond what has come forth in this latest scandal. The depths of depravity that I am personally aware of are very hard to deal with, on any level. I am aware of similar instances to what you desrcibe and much worse, so I mean it when I say that I am so very sorry for what happened to you. It needs to stop! Bless you for sharing this. I wish you Shalom, in Jesus’s name.
You need to understand that when I originally recorded these videos, it was before the Mike Bickle allegations were made public, it was already hard enough to get people to listen to me, much less believe me, I didn't have ground to stand on to name names without possibly putting myself in danger. People like me have been trying to speak out about abuses at the International House of Prayer for a really long time and we've gotten only deeper grief over it, lost friends, and were put through so much else.
Personally, I think you should just say their names and which department they were or ARE in. 😡This place was my church from 83-92. All of you who were harmed there should just say names. Expose these fake Christians who were “leaders” there. Maybe that’s harsh. But I’m so beyond disappointed in almost all the leadership at IHOPKC. I know it’s not all of them but my God. The abuse that was propagated there by leaders and underling leaders upon true believers like yourself….as a 61 year old mom and grandma, who sent our son to the school of worship ‘09-‘12, hearing your stories just makes me so ill. I’m so truly sorry you were treated like this. And I’m sure your stories are not isolated. Just. Wow. Sorry. Thanks for letting me vent!
Trust me, it's very tempting to say their names. It means a lot to see you react so strongly to how I was mistreated. When I recorded this back on October 18th, the general sentiment and likelihood I'd be believed wasn't where it is now, and I feared retaliation from the org, which has more money for lawyers than I did/do, hence the caution.
Wow! I feel really bad about how you were treated, I m not one bit surprised by it. And I wonder do you think that this has caused you some problems. You seem very intelligent and kind but some things I’ve heard you say really concern’s me for you. I’m just hoping maybe I misread what you were trying to refer to, and maybe because of the story I first heard from , was just hoping to convey to others that you really should be aware of IHOPKC. And with my yrs. In dealing with SA, ( within my church, my marriage etc. ) maybe I just misunderstood what you meant. But if you were to have issues that my prayers are that you find a wise trusted friend who can help you find the right direction you would need to go in.. take care young Lady and I will be praying and hopefully turning into your videos.. GOD BLESS SWEETHEART ✝️🛐💟🕊️🕊️💪🏼🫂🫂🫵🏼
I'm not really interested in the concern of strangers evaluating such personal things. I'm sure you think it's a kindness and care, but if my time on the platform at ihopkc has taught me anything, it was the harm an abundance of such concern can cause when it comes from people whose concern for me is far greater than their level of investment in me. I appreciate the sentiment, as I know where it comes from, for whatever that's worth, but probably don't have the capacity to indulge strangers in my comments section on concerns like that.
@@SieNoel Thank you for responding to my comment, and I just would like to say to you that if my words in anyway offended you or angered you, I truly apologize because I never meant to upset you in anyway. And I sincerely mean that, please don’t judge everyone else for what happened to you I truly plead that. I was born & raised in the getto of Detroit, I had to fight my way out of there with two little girls who father’s abandoned ship. But had I not known my Lord I would have been dead twice due to an attempt at age 9, and again age 19 with my newborn baby. So if I had place every person that came into my life especially church folks, no hard tellings if I would have gotten out of there alive, let alone still trusting my Lord. But I wasn’t trying to be miss. Kindness at all, it is just the nature GOD has given me despite all my trials and tribulations, But I am very, very sorry for intruding into your thoughts and feelings.. You don’t have to worry I learned my lesson and I still do wish you all the best and MAY GOD KEEP YOU IN HIS TENDER LOVING CARE, & I mean that also sincerely… 🛐🙏🕊️🕊️
Anyone involved in a church like IHOPKC and the fallout from unhealthy leadership will have tremendous damage. It’s called SPIRITUAL ABUSE. Don’t sound so shocked.. and Pious! As if she is an isolated case…she’s just honest and healthy enough to tell the truth.. I hope thousands rise up and tell their truth and put an end to this FAKE Christianity. I am one of them. Forty Five years later and reading responses like yours is a huge trigger..
I’m almost speechless to hear your story of abuse. The first thing I thought was you were kidnapped…being held against your will. It’s like being trapped and you can’t get away. That IS criminal! The fact that this was done by someone considered leadership takes it to a different level. There are laws that protect people against this type of abuse in a business setting. Not sure how it would be looked at in your situation, but it should be considered criminal!!!I’m not an attorney but I worked in leadership at a business and I warned all leadership that you cannot even block the exit of any person when meeting with them. All I can say is I’m thankful for your mom who knows, loves and cares for you. I appreciate your vulnerability in speaking out to help others. I’m praying for you, Sierra.
Thank you for coming forward and exposing these Users !!!
And it appears they wanted to let you know they didn't want you, but could find nor reason to fire you, so they tried to drive you out by their sh*tty behavior.
I'm pretty sure this happened before I joined staff, I lived in the area and I was saving up enough money to do an internship so I could have the ability to attempt to join staff and join a GPR worship team, the GPR is the main prayer room that is on the web stream but there were other prayer rooms, hope city was in the inner city, the All Nations prayer room was and I don't think they were at IHOP University yet, I think the Justice prayer room was still around back then too.
I was just volunteering on a team at hope city, I was just a person who lived in Kansas City who came around to volunteer and help out. They wouldn't let you do that on camera, unless they were really desperate, and only if you knew the right people, and then only if you didn't draw too much attention to yourself, none of the rules there are enforced to consistently depending on how desperate they are, or how much they can use you. Etc. And then if you cross the wrong person all that favor goes away and the letter of the law suddenly exists, and it's usually laws they made up just for your situation.
Nothing consistent.
The rules were only there so they could push people out when they needed to, otherwise it was like they didn't exist . Makes for a really unhealthy environment. I don't remember if I mentioned this in the video, but the person who did this to me was one of the top leaders in one of the departments. Not like an executive leadership team member, nowhere near there, but they had people that reported to them, etc. And they let us worship team at the Hope City prayer room.
So that makes it pretty messed up.
And when people would treat me this way, I had aspirations to one day joined staff, so it was extra discouraging because I was worried that it was going to get in the way of the career I had come to try and build, the vocational Ministry I had intended to do. I really wanted to be a part of this thing that, from the stage, they sold as a very holy and high calling, it was a very big cost for me to come and try to join staff at International House of prayer. I feel like a sucker for falling for it, when I first was drawn to the place I was in college, pursuing an undergraduate degree as a prerequisite to attend medical school. I finished my undergraduate degree, and I was paying on my student loans, but instead of attending medical school I came to Kansas City to try and be a part of this thing God was doing, or at least that they claimed was something God was doing. All that only to be met with experiences like this...
Thanks for posting ❤ ! I was there 2011-15. I was approached by Donna Edwards, Mistys mom offering free help/support she was older w a no-nonsense kindness. Older people are usually nicer because they dont compete w you like same aged peer. Ihop should train/offer Simeon company (50+) or someone other than a peer as available to you. You were subject to peer whims and not true mentoring 😱. At age 25, I wouldve called my parents espec. when your safety is at stake ! You seem like a very gifted kind girl the leadership would use!! Pray your voice is heard and others like It 🌈 🎯 !
@@laurie9993 a lot of people I knew in my time at ihopkc didn't have that kind of relationship with their parents, or didn't have parents who would see the problem with that kind of situation and/or intervene. Unfortunately, the people who didn't have kind, available, nurturing parents were often the ones subjected to this kind of "correction."
I know Robert and Donna, stayed with them when I got my wisdom teeth out in October of 2013. I don't think they quite had or have a grid for helping someone like me. It wouldn't have been a good fit. I appreciated them opening their home to me - don't get me wrong - but our lives were and are VERY different and someone who's been thru what I have needs a different kind of approach than the one they take.
The Hesters have been and are more suited to handle someone like me. Too bad I didn't connect with them until after I left staff... And once I did, it contributed to a series of events that dominoed into them being fired, essentially. That's a story that will be told some day...
As for gifting? At IHOPKC, gifting was useful to a point. But if you shined too bright, you got a target on you, for certain leaders operated with a mentality of harsh treatment towards the tallest blades of grass...
@@SieNoel Its counterproductive for ihop to destroy the larger gifted people or anyone. This type of leadership is a careless oversight. Besides MB, this faulty leadership is finally exposed! Dulous (Borin) Clan of ihop had a revelation Sept 2023: Ihops main issue was STRIFE! He is on youtube. Thank you for your courage and humilty in these posts! I pray ❤ on this and you, with perfect space and people to heal. That you are launched whereever god wants you, nothing less 🎯 🌈 !
I’m sorry you experienced that. I’ve been a Christian for half a centruy plus and I grew up in a Word of Faith church environment. Aside from all the unbiblical doctrine, there’s one thing that stands out to me about these kinds of churches (WoF, NAR, Hyper Charismatic, Uber Pentecostal, etc) and that is the power playing that goes on in them! Reading the accounts of what’s happening at IHOPKC, I recognise a lot of this stuff and it’s extremely toxic, not to mention dangerous, on many levels! Through the years I have researched IHOPKC, along with other churches or ministries with links to each other, I keep coming across the name of William Branham. I remember hearing my parents mention his name (among others) in conversations with friends of theirs, when I was young (I was 8 years old when Branham died) and I learned as I grew up that he had some weird unbiblical teachings, so I left it alone, but lately, I’ve been stirred to learn more about this man, as his influence with people like the Copelands, Bethel, Benny Hinn, etc, shows that his ‘ministry’ has been far more influential than I realised.
If you look at the testimonies of people who have left 'the Message’ churches (that’s what Branhamites call their churches), you will find that this kind of power playing goes way beyond your darkest imaginings. I can give you links to websites put up bhy one or two men who were in the very heart of that cult and now reveal what they can about it to those who don’t know. Even a one hour video into the Branham cult will answer your question about where this attitude comes from and why it is prevalent at places like IHOPKC. Just a quick example of this is that Paul Cain, who was one of the Kansas City Prophets and a mentor of Mike Bickle, was the righthand man of William Branham when Branham was still alive and many times would act as his stand-in, if Branham was unable to be somewhere to speak. That is the TAMEST thing that can besaid about Paul Cain, whose actions were as bad as Mike Bickle’s at best and in many ways worse.
This toxic behaviour is spread throughout the Pentecostla movement by their insistence on a ‘culture of honour’ and their repeated warning to; ‘touch not God’s anointed’, which I’m sure you’re familiar with. The levels of physical, mental, and spiritual abuse by people in leadership positions in churches with ties to churches such as IHOP, Bethel, Hillsong, and others, goes far beyond what has come forth in this latest scandal. The depths of depravity that I am personally aware of are very hard to deal with, on any level. I am aware of similar instances to what you desrcibe and much worse, so I mean it when I say that I am so very sorry for what happened to you. It needs to stop!
Bless you for sharing this. I wish you Shalom, in Jesus’s name.
If you have a ministry of people just out of high school...this is what you get. High school behavior.
The loons started that group and the loons will take it home,
Leaving in their wake confusion. It’s not of God. It was a bad seed. It needs to go away
Please name names! Abusers continue in their abuse when they are shielded and called "this person." Who did this?!
You need to understand that when I originally recorded these videos, it was before the Mike Bickle allegations were made public, it was already hard enough to get people to listen to me, much less believe me, I didn't have ground to stand on to name names without possibly putting myself in danger. People like me have been trying to speak out about abuses at the International House of Prayer for a really long time and we've gotten only deeper grief over it, lost friends, and were put through so much else.
Personally, I think you should just say their names and which department they were or ARE in. 😡This place was my church from 83-92. All of you who were harmed there should just say names. Expose these fake Christians who were “leaders” there. Maybe that’s harsh. But I’m so beyond disappointed in almost all the leadership at IHOPKC. I know it’s not all of them but my God. The abuse that was propagated there by leaders and underling leaders upon true believers like yourself….as a 61 year old mom and grandma, who sent our son to the school of worship ‘09-‘12, hearing your stories just makes me so ill. I’m so truly sorry you were treated like this. And I’m sure your stories are not isolated. Just. Wow. Sorry. Thanks for letting me vent!
Trust me, it's very tempting to say their names. It means a lot to see you react so strongly to how I was mistreated. When I recorded this back on October 18th, the general sentiment and likelihood I'd be believed wasn't where it is now, and I feared retaliation from the org, which has more money for lawyers than I did/do, hence the caution.
Wow! I feel really bad about how you were treated, I m not one bit surprised by it. And I wonder do you think that this has caused you some problems. You seem very intelligent and kind but some things I’ve heard you say really concern’s me for you. I’m just hoping maybe I misread what you were trying to refer to, and maybe because of the story I first heard from , was just hoping to convey to others that you really should be aware of IHOPKC. And with my yrs. In dealing with SA, ( within my church, my marriage etc. ) maybe I just misunderstood what you meant. But if you were to have issues that my prayers are that you find a wise trusted friend who can help you find the right direction you would need to go in.. take care young Lady and I will be praying and hopefully turning into your videos.. GOD BLESS SWEETHEART ✝️🛐💟🕊️🕊️💪🏼🫂🫂🫵🏼
I'm not really interested in the concern of strangers evaluating such personal things. I'm sure you think it's a kindness and care, but if my time on the platform at ihopkc has taught me anything, it was the harm an abundance of such concern can cause when it comes from people whose concern for me is far greater than their level of investment in me. I appreciate the sentiment, as I know where it comes from, for whatever that's worth, but probably don't have the capacity to indulge strangers in my comments section on concerns like that.
@@SieNoel Thank you for responding to my comment, and I just would like to say to you that if my words in anyway offended you or angered you, I truly apologize because I never meant to upset you in anyway. And I sincerely mean that, please don’t judge everyone else for what happened to you I truly plead that. I was born & raised in the getto of Detroit, I had to fight my way out of there with two little girls who father’s abandoned ship. But had I not known my Lord I would have been dead twice due to an attempt at age 9, and again age 19 with my newborn baby. So if I had place every person that came into my life especially church folks, no hard tellings if I would have gotten out of there alive, let alone still trusting my Lord. But I wasn’t trying to be miss. Kindness at all, it is just the nature GOD has given me despite all my trials and tribulations, But I am very, very sorry for intruding into your thoughts and feelings.. You don’t have to worry I learned my lesson and I still do wish you all the best and MAY GOD KEEP YOU IN HIS TENDER LOVING CARE, & I mean that also sincerely… 🛐🙏🕊️🕊️
@@deborahvarneyduboise6776 I'm not offended or angered, just explaining why I won't be providing further info regarding your suspicion/concern.
Anyone involved in a church like IHOPKC and the fallout from unhealthy leadership will have tremendous damage. It’s called SPIRITUAL ABUSE. Don’t sound so shocked.. and Pious! As if she is an isolated case…she’s just honest and healthy enough to tell the truth.. I hope thousands rise up and tell their truth and put an end to this FAKE Christianity. I am one of them. Forty Five years later and reading responses like yours is a huge trigger..