@@Coldass y'all just make stuff up lol. LeBron was in the finals at the age MJ entered the league. There's no telling who would benefit from your hypothetical, and MJ with a weak supporting cast got swept twice in the first round by a great team that won fewer rings. Carry on tho.
Facts hate feelings Young Brotha. I try not to be a troll though. It just drives me nuts how people be like "this person is GREAT".. but they don't talk about"how they got there". Super teams he built, flops, lies outright, quits on teams, pouting and throwing fits on the court, complaining about help though he plays with All-stars. ..... But on 2k he's a 99, and on ESPN he dunks a lot right? That's what Young cats base it on apparently. Nobody claiming Steph is as good as MJ and he's been eating LeBumm's food for a decade. Points ain't shit. Wins are, My guy. Shit is Cray fr... All those points.... And all those Losses...
@@PartsUnknownX I'm going to reply only to the last part because I think it epitomizes the general bias against LeBron in NBA culture. Yes, LeBron has lost a lot, but he has also played more winning basketball than almost every player in history. He literally has won the most playoff series of all time, he has won the second most finals MVPs of all time, and he has one of the highest playoff win rates of all legends. He beat the winningest regular season team in the history of the game while averaging 36-12-10-3-3 over 3 elimination games to secure a comeback that was never made in the finals before or since (to say nothing of the anomaly that was leading both teams in all 5 major stat categories, which has never been done elsewhere, let alone in a 7-game NBA finals), he led the only team that could beat the Spurs in the finals, he averaged 35 points in his first ever playoff series and almost made the conference finals against the team that made the finals the previous year, he made the conference finals a whole 17 years later while still playing at a high level despite his injury, he fell short of playing ball "into June" (making the finals) a mere 1 time in a span of 10 years . . . The list of feats goes on. I've become a fan of LeBron in his Laker years, and even I am not jumping up and down over 8 consecutive finals appearances, but what makes it impressive is not really the number, but the fact that LeBron-led teams, even though they were the favorites to win the conference, were not prone to being upset even once in that span. He went to 4 game 7s and came out on top every time. He won both his game 7s in the NBA finals, which I think isn't talked about enough. Heck, he hasn't lost in a game 7 since 2008 despite playing in 6 of them after that year. Is that not the pedigree you expect only from a winner? The only thing you can possibly be referring to in calling LeBron a "loser" in basketball is his finals record. 4-6, right? Go pick on Elgin Baylor and his 0-7 record then. If you bring up one individual series like 2011 finals, what are we doing, basing his entire legacy/narrative on one series then? What about the finals series in which his teams were completely outmatched? Do you expect him to lose _before_ the finals in order to shield his precious finals record from all-time great teams like the Spurs and Warriors? We could nitpick similar things with Kobe Bryant, a player who is generally seen as a "winner" despite only having one more ring than LeBron in the same number of seasons and being the second best player on his own team for the majority of his finals appearances. Hardly anyone critiques his losses in the first round, losing twice in a row to a Suns team that never could even make the finals, including a blown 3-1 lead in which Kobe took 3 shots in the 2nd half of game 7. Hardly anyone remembers that he took 30 more FGA in a 5-game finals than Shaq and _still_ scored fewer points. Hardly anyone remembers how badly he performed in the 2008 elimination game vs. the Celtics, shooting 7-22 with 4 turnovers and a -35 +/-. Even still, he is revered as one of the greatest winners in league history. Imagine if LeBron had the luxury of being the second best player on 4 of his finals squads . . .
@@PartsUnknownXusing this logic he should have stuck with the shit team and the shit front office and win nothing but as long as he’s “loyal” damonlillard3097 will acknowledge it🤪
Great Video. I wanna add that originally Larry Hughes wasn’t bad offensively, he averaging 22ppg the season before coming to Cleveland. He ended up injuring his hand pretty badly early in the season and never was able to make his shot consistently. His stint in Cleveland was marred by injury and he never became the real second option next to Lebron he was signed to be
The thing is he's health concerns were there to see only playing 2 seasons over 50 games which by even today's standards is short unless your like kwahi or embid
@@ajaay786they brought Devin SOMETHING in CP3. The Cavs brought LeBron an NBA MVP, three time NBA Finals MVP, and 4x NBA champion who is the most dominant center… at 37 😂
they built team around him and got back to back 65+ win teams. lechock just can't win without superteams like prime kyrie/prime love and prime wade/prime bosh all on same teams. lmfao then he need bubble with prime ad. 0 ring without superteams hahahaha now fans has to make excuses when team was built around him. this is why lechock fans are the worst.
To my grave Ill say 2009 Lebron is Peak Lebron. Ive watched every single clip out there available of lebron and 2009 is truly his greatest. 2009 and 2010 Lebron is his greatest regular season peak
Bro just no, this is a very poor hill to die on. Maybe he is at his pure athletic peak but as we saw that doesn't matter in the playoffs and the playoffs do matter. When he developed a respectable jump shot and great post game which allowed him to be more effective in a halfcourt setting is when he was at his peak i.e. 2012-2018.
LeBron CLEARLY peaked in 2013 though, that was his winning peak, physical peak, & All-Around Peak…, The Man Shot 40% from 3 at 6’9 as one of the best drivers basketball has ever seen, he came 2nd in DPOY Voting (Should’ve won it), Won an MVP, & won Finals MVP, not to forget he was bigger than normal at about 280 to be able to guard bigger players & polished his post game as well.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 you are an absolute clown, his post game is absolutely great for a sf/pf and he is not Steph Curry but his jump shot is decent and leeps and bounds ahead of what it was from 2003-2011 and I dont even like the guy. You're just a pure hater
@@ksewilliams denver melo literally was better than Lebron on a worse team in a stacked west , wade before injuries was better than Lebron even won a ring with a team full of old washed vets and his best player (shaq) average 15.5 ppg
@@sportstalkonly1442 idk brodie the 7th seed knicks were 39-43 that year and the heat with rookie wade were the 4th seed at 42-40 🥱you lebron fans believe everything your told🫵🏿😭
@Dipset415 Some guys have made the playoffs with trash 30-52 records. Lebron was a rookie. Cavs won 35 games. He still missed the playoffs. He led his team to 42 wins the very next season, the same record that Wade had when he made the playoffs the previous year and still missed the playoffs. He didn't lead his team to the playoffs until he led his team to 50 wins. And u lebron haters always think u can make up myths and narratives and get away with it.
@Dipset415 so u expect rookie lebron to get his team to the playoffs, the cavs had 35 wins and missed them and then 42 and missed them. You're talking about a rookie lebron and his second year like he was in the middle of his prime missing the playoffs.
sssshhh don't tell them that because it defeats the narrative that LeBron actually played with good players. You don't make All-Defense if you're not good (Larry Hughes) and Big Z in his prime averaged 15pts, 8rebs, and 1.8blks per game on 47% shooting in his prime years (non-injury years) from 2002-2009. To put this in perspective, Rasheed Wallace averaged 15pts, 7rebs, & 1.5blks on 44% shooting. Now, I'm not insinuating that Big Z was some world beater, but the Cavs' roster was on par with the rest of the East which didn't have that many stars anyway.
So Bron at 18 was averaging 21 ppg, 6 ast, 5.5 rpg, 1.6 stls, while shooting 42% FG and 75% FTS. While Mj at 40 was averaging 20 ppg, 4 ast, 6 rpg 1.5 stls, while shooting 45% FG and 81% FTS. That's a year apart from each other. Crazy.
@@nonsookafojr.3370 what good is a scoring average if you don't score 1,600 points?! Seriously the object of the game is to play all the games and score points, not who can play less games and score less points lol
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 The point is you are trying to insinuate that Jordan was better at that age or had the greater season. LeBron was much better at the point volume wise and efficiency wise when it comes to scoring. Was also better in the other categories as well. Jordan was more durable seemingly. Or maybe played through injury much more. That is all.
Wow I knew pretty much all those facts but had no idea how much of a beast he was in the CF against Orlando! 39, 8 and 8 at 49% from the field?! Not to mention that was against the best defense and the best interior defender in the game. He did everything for that team and they spat in his face when he left.
Larry Hughes was not a bad offensive player. He put up solid offensive numbers, could facilitate the offense, guard multiple positions and was hampered by injuries and personal matters during his stint in Cleveland. When he played well they were a very tough team to beat. Please note his brother Justin who was his inspiration died during the 06 playoff campaign and he was hurt during the 07 playoff campaign and finals run. I would argue that a healthy and productive Hughes with James playing on the level that he played in 07 could have won 1/2 games versus the Spurs.
So even with all you just said,LeBron was stifled by his teammates injuries and off court problems,LeBron came in 2003, to a team that had only won 17 games prior following that LeBron got to 35 games,he willed them to 7 finals, so he was supposed to stay!
This whole video is fanboy bullshite. Everything here is all about "what LeBron needs from the Cavs" and never about what LeBron should do FOR the Cavs. Coddling this guy is why LeBron throws embarrassing **tantrums** on-court when a call doesn't go his way, and he always "needs more help" whenever he fails in the post-season.
Can we stop with the LeBron vs. MJ arguments already? They're both all-timers who played in differnt eras. Just appreciate the fact that you were able to witnesses each of them play. Because as we saw with Kobe, life is fleeting.
They will never stop. Every time I catch up with an MJ dlckriding buddy they start talking ignorantly about LeBron. They actually hate him. They are jealous.
Interesting facts: Lebron was second in the MVP race ahead of 'peak' Kobe in '06 No one makes it to the finals on a bad team. They overachieved because of Lebron, but the competition was just bad enough for him to show out. Those teams was kind of like Dallas sometimes last year - good defence, solo star offence. It works until a point. Lebron was second in DPOY in 09 Lebron was very bad in the 07 finals. Watch the games. You don't win 66 games with a bad team. His teams were good, just not as good as to what the celtics were doing. And the magic series, he was robbed of
He was only second in mvp voting bc the media loves lebron. In many cases Mvp is literally just the media choosing which top player they like the most that season.
@ph-ju1fo Kobe's team consisted of below average nba players. They had no business making the playoffs especially in the west where you need a pretty decent record in order to squeeze into the playoffs.
As a Spurs fan who didn’t like Lebron, Lebron was the reason they even won 60 games. Without him, those teams miss the playoffs and become lottery teams. Look what happened when Lebron went to Miami. The organisation should take the majority of the blame for not putting the right squad together around Lebron that could’ve helped him win. Lebron did everything he could for Cleveland and the front office failed him massively.
Yeah what a coincidence. Removed hand checking and removed the big man out of the paint right when LeBron is turning 19y old lol there's been more PG's to win MVP since 2004 then there had been in the entire history of the NBA before that lol but nah, the rules didn't benefit LeBron, and they definitely benefited Jordan lol
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Yeah it's not a coincidence the league noticed ratings were in the toilet and wanted to shake up the rules to at least come CLOSE to 90s pace.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 You're a casual that doesn't even hoop. I don't care about that garbage. Bron was Box Office and entertaining that made me want to go out and play hoops tryna mimic him and what not with my buddies. You're a nerd that only watches most likely and argues over the internet
16:15 you can't say LeBron was the best player in the playoffs, when KOBE, was in the 2nd year, of the greatest, hardest, 3 season playoff run, in NBA history...
Yea ur on drugs if you think Kobe was at any point playing better than LeBron throughout the 2009 regular season (winning the MVP) or the 2009 playoffs (when he averaged 35/9/7 with elite defense on 62% TS). Kobe winning a championship with a clearly better roster while playing clearly inferior is not enough to change that
@@YungMustard Never said anything about the regular season guy 🤦♂️ In 2009, KOBE scored 600 points for the 2nd time in a row, soon to be 3 (only player to do so in history). All 4 teams he faced had 50+ wins. Then, he mopped the floor with the "best defensive team" (leastern conference scheduled stat), in 5 games... The magic team, that was the ONLY 50+ win team LeBron faced... Do you want me to go into the All-Stars KOBE faced compared to LeBron next? Context is uh hell of uh thing guy.
@@tankeater Kobe Beat a Deron Willams led Utah Jazz team in that won 48 games in 5, LeBron swept the Hawks who won 47 games. LeBron faced the best defense in BASKETBALL with the best defender in the world in the paint. Compare his performance to Kobe’s vs that same Magic team and it’s not even close. Meanwhile LeBron played with a far worse roster. Pau Gasol ALONE immediately trumps anything LeBron had to work with lmaoo
@@YungMustard Yep, my bad, I thought it was 2008 he played that Jazz team... I'd love for you to look up Paul's stats without KOBE 🤣. Funny, KOBE is called a bad teammate. Yet, he made the USA no longer the LeBRONZE team. Got Paul into the HOF. Got borderline bench players to rise to the occasion... Yet, look at how much LeBron seeps the talent from the people around him... It's MEMEME ball. If you're not a dish out shooter, your game will be worse with LeBron, and that's uh fact!!! Once again, in the midst of setting all time NBA Playoff records, you're crowning someone who didn't even make it??? LMFFFAAAOOO let me guess, while going through the Leastern Conference, you think LeBron 6 Finals loses, with 2 sweeps, is impressive, huh? 🤣🤦♂️
@YungMustard Lol please stop Kobe's 09 Finals MVP>>>>>>LeBron's 09 regular season MVP. Kobe was still the best player in the world at that point. Yall LeBron fans are hilarious. 😂
The amount of hate LeBron gets on videos like this in the comments section is truly remarkable. Cherry-picking and selective memory at its finest. Praising LeBron does not mean you hate Jordan. Some of you need to get that through your minds.
@15:09 Mo Williams wasn't LeBron's first time all star teammate. Zydrunas Ilgaskus was a 2 time all star, and made it with LeBron as his teammate in 05. Also @16:53, the best player in the world at that time was the guy who won Finals MVP and his 4th ring that year. 🤷♂️💍
My man said he didn't want to be on the extreme side that says Bron was sorraounded with a bunch of scrubs and then proceeds to describe that indeed he was fully sorraounded by scrubs specially when it matters the most. 😂😅
It would have been terrible….Amare is a free throw up player and lebron needs the paint…it woulda took away from both strengths..and then Amare woulda left in the summer
I really hated your larry hughes take. It was a good trade..Larry hughes never played and didn't stretch the floor which lebron needed. Therefore getting rid of that bad contract for Ben and Delonte who does stretch the floor wasn't a bad move at all.
I love this video. It just shows how shitty Cleveland Cavalier Box Office is. Lebron had the worst of any superstar that I know. Jordan had similar thing in the beginning with Bulls but the difference was Bulls were smart and started getting right players by draft and other means. They set up a system that allowed Jordan to succeed. However Jordan had to face a tougher conference as East was stronger than the West but he was eventually able to get great players and team was able to improve enough for him to win championships. Lebron on the other hand was just unlucky. That CAVS was horrible. Honestly never should have come back to CAVS. He should have stayed with Miami Heat all throughout.
That is why he had to leave. But KG never had it as bad as Lebron but KG still had it bad. I can't believe that Minnesotta let go of Chauncey Billups.@@sargeranders9546
In those 7 years the Cavs beat 2 teams who won more than 43 games in the playoffs. The East so was quite weak from 1999- 2018. The big 3 celtics got pushed to 7 games in the 1st round vs atlanta in 2008.
Lebron was never willing to adjust his game to win. MJ went from SF, to SG, to PG, back to SG then back to SF to win. Lebron only wanted to play Point Forward because he has no post game, no midrange, can't move without the ball, can't shoot clutch from distance, etc. Players were not utilized to their full potential with Lebron because he was a one trick pony.
Bron played point forward simply cause he is one of the best passers ever. He played Power Forward in Miami, PG and even C in Lakers. Stop that false narrative.
What narrative? They were a decent roster but you aren’t winning anything with mo Williams as a second option. Just look at what happened when he left in 2010 they went from a 61 wins to a 19 wins
@@applycontext9161bro it wasnt just him who left 😂😂lmao why do people think that. over half the team was different, the former coach of the year left, there was even a whole new team executive. half the roster was new, the head coach was new, and the front office even had different people in it.
They were a great regular season team it's hard to argue that he wasn't doing most of the damage though.. I watched that team and they were great offensively in season but declined in the playoffs especially their floor spacers Sczerbiak, Pavlovic, West and Williams. It was a great watch though ngl
11:13 you need to mention Lebron absolutely not showing up at all in game 6 and getting saved by a bench player, they consistently bailed him out in 2007
@@HighKey_Mars you made it look like it’s wrong to have a teammate. So what Gibson scored 31 in Game 6, he did his part to help the cavs close out the pistons. The hardest game was game 5. And LeBron did the heaviest lifting of them all to put them ahead.
@@fyks669 He also played like trash down the stretch in a close game 3. 2018 he had 1 great game in the series. That skews his point total to the high end. Then he blamed the sweep all on a “self-inflicted broken hand.”
no he didnt. 2011, 2015, 2018 were not cakewalks. 2011 : 56-26 Celtics with 4 all stars THAT SEASON and had just went to game 7 of the finals. 62-20 Bulls with MVP Rose and the number one defense in the league and best overall record. Not a cakewalk 2015 : 50-32 Bulls with 3 all stars THAT YEAR (Butler, Rose and Gasol). Cavs were 52-30 with NO kevin love and a clearly hobbled Kyrie. Also no JR SMith for 2 of those games due to a suspension. THen, 60-22 Hawks with 4 all stars THAT YEAR. Again the 52-30 cavs with no kevin love except this time no Kyrie for HALF the series. Lebron still sweeps them. Not a cakewalk 2018 : 59-23 Raptors vs a 50-32 Cavs team. Raptors are clearly favoured yet Lebron sweeps them. Then the 56-26 Celtics, with the no.1 Defense in the league. beats them in 7 despite his second best scoring teammate averaging 12 points 2012 also wasnt a cakewalk due to the fact that Bosh was injured for the entire 2nd Round and majority of the Boston series but overall those teams werent great so whatever Ill give that to you 2013, 2014, 2016 and 2017 were cakewalks DESPITE the cavs facing some teams that had greater records than them but whatever they were generally cakewalks
@@Gabriel-sh3ms Are you serious saying 2018 wasn't a cakewalk? Cavs played the Celtics in the ECF and Kyrie was out for the Celtics and Tatum was a rookie with JB being a 2nd yr player. The Raptors were a joke. One player, Demar, averaged 20 ppg and no one else on the team averaged that many ppg, no one averaged 10 rebounds per game and no one averaged 7 assists on that team. The Raptors had proven they were incapable of beating the Cavs in a playoff series so the Raptors being favored is completely meaningless. This is why lebron fans are despised. If you actually watched basketball everyone knew that Raptors team wasn't winning shit in the playoffs. Celtics #1 defense means nothing when missing key players. Also it's interesting how you left out the Cavs 1st round opponent which was the Pacers. Only a casual thinks the Pacers, a weak Raptors team, and a Celtics team full of young guys and missing their best player was some insanely tough playoff run. And you're somehow saying the 2011 Heat, a super team, had a hard road to the finals? 😂😂😂So delusional. Btw Derrick Rose in 2015 was not the same player and you know it. Stop it bro. That Hawks team was a deeply flawed team. Doesn't matter how many all stars they had. Those of us who actually watched the games know that Hawks team was never winning the chip because they were flawed. Btw I'll leave this little nugget for you. Lebron has faced a 50+ win team in the playoffs only 43% pf the time. Jordan faced 50+ win teams in the playoffs 63% pf the time and Kobe was 74% of the time. Lebron has had an easier time especially while being in the east. And it's totally ridiculous to say the Heat and Cavs super teams had a hard time in the playoffs from 2011 to 2018. Take that man's meat out yo mouth.
Great video, but you forgot to mention a few things: 1. Big Z was Lebron's first All-Star teammate, not Mo. 2. Lebron was pretty bad in Games 1-6 of the 2008 ECSF, and his only good game was Game 7. He averaged 5 turnovers and was inefficient, but the Cavs' defense kept them in the series. 3. The Cavs were a top 5 defense. They held Tim Duncan to 18 ppg after he averaged 22 ppg during the regular season.
12:12 Lebron shot under 40/30/70 splits in the 2007 and missed a game winner and a game tying jump shot. If he could shoot, they wouldn't haven gotten swept
Fair points but even if he was in his prime he still not beating the 07 spurs so I don't know why people say if he try harder he wouldn't of gotten swept which is true but he is still losing to them and that's not me trying to hate or trying to defend him
Lebron needs to post up every single game. He is 6'9" with S Curry and JJ Barea on him, and won't post them up. He holds the NBA turnover record. Some other player should have been running the point, but because Lebron wants to be the center of the offrensive focus, his teams are bogged down by his lack of all around offensive abilities.
Heres the truth about his first stint from what I saw..lebron was a great player but his shot was streaky...so his teams were mostly 3 pt shooters.all season lebron drove and kicked out...the celtics and magic made him a jump shooter and not able to kick to the shooters...that stems from his lack of a jump shot
Thank you. This video ain’t nothing but excuses and following the same narratives. Bron for 20 years has been a one trick pony who can’t play off the ball or shoot so Cleveland surrounded him with the players who filled in his weakness. But once he loses now it’s their fault it’s hilarious
@@indmslikedeez8005 bruh I couldn’t of said it better myself…in the championship rounds a team just needs ONE thing you’re not good at to exploit you…and even when he left and played the mavs it was the same thing they exploited
@@kevinrichards4346 yessir. The dude is the most easiest player to game-plan for, you already know what he’s gonna do. That’s why it boils my blood when they say he’s better than bird or even kd like both those guys can actually play and fit on any team and let their guys eat. Everything with this dude is about him and it shouldn’t be
@@indmslikedeez8005one trick pony? You old heads make no sense. You can say when he was younger maybe. But when u have the all time points in play offs and regular season you’re not jus a one trick pony
2008 semis game 1, LeBron put up 12p, 10 turnovers, 2-18 for 11% FG, 0-6 from 3p... Ilgauskas 22p, 12r, 2s, 2b 44% FG! LeBron didn't carry then. Game 2, LeBron put up 21p, 7 turnovers, 6-24 for 25% FG, 0-4 from 3p, Ilgauskas 19p, 5r, 2b, 75% FG on only 12 FGA! Ilgauskas took half the shots lebron took, made more of them, and shot 3x more efficient! LeBron actually lost the game for his own team.
lebron performed badly in those games, but then again, is Ilguaskis averaging 39 8 8 in the ecf in 09? i ilguaskis a 4 time mvp? you can single out this game and i agree with you, but dont try and perpetuate the narrative that lebrons team was better than it was
@@fatehshoaib9423 SMH how could he average that many points when LeBron is taking double the amount of shots... Damn I swear you LeBron fanboys don't know crap about basketball
@@fatehshoaib9423 no it's freaking not! There's an entire 2011 Finals, there's the 2017 playoffs there's the 2 other times, there's the time LeBron missed the playoffs and the time he almost missed the play in tournament again this year. So basically you weren't even watching basketball in LeBrons career cuz you don't know anything about him
People just throw the the term generational talent around when Lebron took a organization to their first NBA finals. That’s generational talent. Basically what nikola jokic and giannis did that’s what makes these players generational talent.
That may be the case that LeBron genuinely thinks Kobe was the better player those years, but James was better in pretty much every statistical category over Kobe.
@UTNatlChamps Lebron always fills ups the stat sheet but Kobe's FTs, shot creation and jumper was way better particularly from mid range where he shoots a higher percentage from three feet and out to the 3 point line while taking way more of them (that goes tor their entire career pretty much). Kobe also played in the triangle with a little more help so he didn't need to do as much, but he could take over when needed unlike anyone else. He didn't need to average 30+ or play as many minutes as Lebron. It was close but I'd pick Kobe in 09 and 10. Lebron also didn't have the championship experience like Kobe.
@wooiiin7281 Nope. Kobe in 09 and 10= 2 Rings, and 2 FMVPS>>>LeBron's 2 regular season MVPs at that time. Kobe was definitely the best player in the world between 05-06 to 09-10, as he accomplished the most of any contemporary player within that 5 season period.
22:10 he got his injury the end of February (after All-Star Week). Got his surgery March 1st. Playoffs start, mid April... "Missing months of time"??? I've come to notice, LeBron lovers, seem to over exaggerate the truth. Why? He's his earas GOAT... Just give me the facts man 🤦♂️
Also when he left the cavs they proceeded to trade away everything and intentionally tank so they could get a high draft pick..u lebron fans make it seem as if it was the same exact players he played with…
He gets to the top of the key, pounds the ball for 10 seconds. No sets or movement . James grandma ball destroys player's game and reputations. Boring as spit.
This is nothing but a big excuse making video trying to hide the fact that LeBron is just an overhyped overrated choke artist. You just gonna pretend that 2011 didn’t happen? Those Cavs teams in 09&10 were the 1 seed and highly favored to win the East or even the title. You also over glorified the Orlando and Boston teams that they lost to as virtually unbeatable when Kobe and his Lakers beat those same teams. In 2009 the Lakers went 0-2 against Orlando but beat them in 5 games in the finals… there’s this thing called adjustments, and LeBron never does that. True greatness comes from heart, grit, determination and mindset… not numbers and excuses!
In the infamous 2007 Finals run, they had a losing record vs. teams with winning records. In the ECF if Daniel Gibson doesnt score 31 off the bench on 9 shots they probably lose in 7. Very overrated run
"the magic were a bad matchup" what does that even mean? is Lebron not suppossed to be a mismatch for orlando too? its not like they were raining 14+ 3's a game. and clearly their defensive scheme worked cause although lebron played well, they locked up everyone else. so was it not bad offensive or the limited offense that lebron had? lebron better than kobe at that time? how? we cannot act as if that lakers team was stacked cause if we put gasol with lebron they would be calling him soft this and soft that, can't play defense and so on. andrew bynum would be said to be clogging the paint, derrick fisher would be called trash with a broken jumper, meta world peace would be called washed. The cavs teams were defensive teams, and it has always be hard to build a team around lebron, even in a major city, because of his weirdly mixed skillset and deficiencies and play style. he isnt a team player, he becomes the teams player.
he as literally second in dpoy in 2009 he was an excellent defender you’re just delusional also the magic were a horrible matchup he was a paint demon his younger years and that’s where magic defense strives he would take the whole defense kick out and his shooters would miss try watching a game rather than listening to narratives
Agree w/ most(80%) of what was said in this Video. The main issue here is that "The East was Weak" during Lebrons first stint in CLE. Between 2004-2010, 3 of the 7 eventual NBA Champions came from the Eastern Conference(DET, MIA, BOS). And during those 7 Seasons, The 4 titles won by the Western Conference were only won by a Total of 2 Teams(SAS, LAL). Also there's nothing weak about a team that wins 60+ games in back to back seasons(CLE 09, 10) w/ the back to back MVP.
The East was much weaker from 2013-2018 than 06-09. Lebron taking that 08 Boston team to 7 games was more impressive than beating the 07 Pistons. If not for Boston making those trades for KG & Ray, to go along prime Pierce & a young guy like Rondo, the East would have really been weak.
The East was much weaker than the Western Conference. It's not even debatable. Check the All-NBA teams during that period. Nearly 70% of the best players in the league were in the Western Conference. You also cherry-picked three seasons in which the East won, but the conference was extremely top heavy. In 2004, The Pacers and the Pistons were the only two teams to finish the season with at least 50-wins. No other EC team won more than 47 games and that was the mediocre Nets (they made consecutive finals in 2002 & 2003 led by Kidd and their defense). There were 6 such teams in the West and 13 of the top 20 teams in the league were Western Conference teams. In 2005 the East was slightly better, but as with 2004 only two teams finished with at least 50 wins. The West again had 6 as the Nuggets finished the season with 49 wins. The rest of those EC teams were just slightly above average to good teams (Heat & Pistons were top dogs). In 2006 there were more 60-win teams so obviously there will be fewer 50-win teams overall. However, this was the first year during the 2000s where we can say that the East was more competitive, but it's really just the top teams in the conference feasting on the mid to garbage EC teams. 7 teams in the East finished with 35 or fewer wins. 3 teams finished with 41 or fewer wins. 67% of the conference didn't even have a winning record!!! I can finish out the remainder of the decade, but you get the point(?). Now here's some homework for you; tell me about the overall record for West vs East regular season for the 2000s decade & EC win%. I'll give you a hint...It's not over 40% 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I felt like the Cavaliers would win whenever Hughes was out of the lineup but it was kind of sold like the Cavs were rallying around Hughes's personal tragedy.
Tl;dr: HoF player on a G-League Franchise for 7 years. I remember it fondly cause James was f'ing amazing. It was always weird seeing Dan Gilbert be cheap and not getting help for a player that added a billion dollars to your franchise.
2008 semis game 7, LeBron put up 45p 5r, 6a, 2s, on 14-29 for 48% FG, 3-11 for 27% from 3p, and had 2 turnovers. LeBron literally took 29 of the teams 67 FGA's, missed 8 threes and 7 twos, while 4 other teammates averaged a higher FG % on less than half the shots! LeBron once again bricked his team out of contention. It gets worse even. Even if you completely forget the 2011 Finals, the playoff chokes are plentiful. Leading both teams in turnovers shooting as low as 12% from 3p for the entire Finals!
6 assist to 2 turnovers isn’t a bad ratio 😭😭 29 shots and making just under half of them ain’t bad either 45points is good too you’re just a hater bru 😭😭 and the point being that lebron isn’t allowed to have an off night because if he does the team loses without him kyrie Ad or bosh wouldn’t have a ring and wade wouldn’t of gone out of the first round anymore after his first chip wit shaqs help and that’s facts
And are you an idiot ? It’s easier to have a higher fg% if you’re taken LESS SHOTS lmaooo idiot that’s like sayin you took 2 shots and made 1 so you shot 50% but I took 10 and only made 4 so I only shot 40% can you really say it’s an accomplishment that your field goal percentage was higher. ???? That’s idiotic thinking
Everybody chokes don’t care what you say name a player and I can dissect them and name games and playoffs they chocked Jordan was swept in the first round twice and couldn’t get past the second round till pimpin and Rodman joined kobe needed Shaq to win as he was always getting out performed by Shaq and he never shot over 50%fg for a season EVER when you get picky like you just did anybody can look bad
LeBron takes all the shots and always has the ball in his hands and his fans expect his teammates to find a rhythm? LOL Plus, you take away his ability to drive and the offense crawls to a halt. That's why I always laugh when people have the audacity to put in the discussion for greatest PGs ever. LeBron is a great scorer who's a willing passer. That's it. I don't understand how he managed to get this narrative of being a pass first player, but Jordan and Kobe were labeled shot chuckers and selfish players. LeBron takes more shots per game than Kobe and only averaged one more assist per game than Jordan!! And these guys played their best years in a team-oriented offense which was specifically designed for great passing post players (bigs).
@@atlien1988 Kobe never had a fg% past 50% lebron took more shots but he also made more and was way more efficient 😭😭 averged 1 more assist then Jordan all time but lebrons most assist in a season is 10.2 and Jordan’s is 7.9 not to mention levron is 4th all time in assist and has an assist title to his name if you really think lebron isn’t a better assister then Jordan it just goes to show how blinded you are by hate 😭😭😭you say all he does is rush the rim but if it was so easy to stop he wouldn’t be the all time leading scorer and have 4 chips and 4 MVPs you’re just a casual
lechock can't win without superteams and team hopping. not even top 5 all time. dodged every rebuildings with team hopping and still lost that many finals. lechock is overrated. most turnovers all time and doesn't even play ball defense. also, how do you get swept while turning ball over every last positions 4 games straight and gets blocked by 6' guard lmfaooooo
Aww poor lebron James , I recall Carmelo Anthony and a plethora of other players going throu the same shit and nobody cried about getting help or needing help
Also during that series vs Boston in 2010 he supposedly found out about his mom and Delonte. Idk how true that is but it's said that it may have been a reason for the drop off in his final 3 games. But even without that the organization did a terrible job getting him help
So u left out how awful he played vs spurs,pistons and celtics!!best player in 2009??kobe was best player and beat the teams lebron couldnt and played great vs spurs in 2008 shooting 53% while lebron shot 35% just 10 months earlier!!
- NBA legends: "It takes time and dedication to your team to make them champions". Jordan, Bird, Olajuwon, Robinson, Wallace: "Amen to that". - James: "Wah, I wanna win NOW! I'm the bestest evar and should always win. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 rings would be enough and I also want to have the best players with me as I donät want to play against anyone who can beat me". - NBA legends: "What a ......?, what kind of a over-grown cry-baby are you?". That is not how things work brat! You have to work for it, develop with your team and eventually earn it. - James: Naha, I will get angry and scream if I don't get what I want".
Bird literally won in his second year with a team with 3 hall of fame players but ok If your organizations best efforts in helping you win a chip for the franchise is an old injury prone Shaq and you stayed? You’re wasting time and he didn’t have the best players He joined a 45-37 team with the second sg and a power forward from the raptors that got bitched in the playoffs twice Everything after that was organizational AD and Westbrook wanted to play with Bron in LA but it’s easy to blame Bron isn’t it
@@enoknivlac4148 - Well his stint with the Cavs worked well, but he had no faith in his tea, Same with Heath, despite winning 2 ritles he was not pleased. Then when Cavs draft some good ones he comes back, win a title then leaves AGAIN. "I take my tallent where I can always win". Lakers the same. When he wins he is the best! When he looses he ALWAYS whines and have an excuse. He gets touched slightlu and he flops like cheap piece of paper and cry....James is the biggest diva of NBA history.
See, the spurs led by Tim Duncan showed Lebron. The ultimate respect by sending 5 guys at LBJ, Listen to tim duncan's comments they dared his teammates to be great San Antonio already knew Lebron James was great. And of course, his teammates failed. Championships are won by teams. Particularly role players. You already know what the superstar is going to do .
How is It his fault tho if he didn't he would win as much but if does u lose respect? The choice you have given him is not do everything he can to win or flop either way you won't respect him.
First things first, LeBron choked away the 2007 Finals after having a very weak Eastern conference to go thru. Can't claim LeBron had no help when it was him taking 23 shots a game to average 22ppg is horrendous. 35% FG, 20% from 3p, more turnovers than any player on either team.
He literally just showed you how he carried the team to the finals he had no help that’s a fact you’re just blind the finals is a different thing he had to take 23 shots because nobody else could they was all ass
Larry Hughes his supposed 2nd best player on his team averaged 1 POINT on 10% shooting bro. The only players that played decent was Gooden at a tremendous 13 points and Gibson at a shocking 11 points. Even Ilgausaks their frikin center averaged 8 points on 35% shooting.
@Gabriel-sh3ms Funny how you mention this without also mentioning how Ilgaskus did his job defensively, by averaging the most rebounds of any Cavs player (was only 2nd to Duncan in the series), including having an 18 rebound game in game 3; and holding Tim Duncan to 18 points on 44 fg%; which is why Tony Parker won Finals MVP. LeBron just didn't do his part, as he shot 35% fg, and didn't do any proper perimiter defense to stop Parker.
Iverson was in the same situation as LeBron first stint on cavs just that Iverson played longer years on the struggling SIXERS & Bron went to make a Superteam so stop the A.I. disrespect 👀👀
Carlos Boozer was supposed to resign with the Cavs. He reneged on that agreement, which was technically against the CBA. Boozer actually came out years later and said he needed to take the Utah deal, or the Cavs would've been hit with tampering. Therefore, he was obviously lying about there not being an understanding on resigning with the Cavs. I don't blame him for taking the bag though. He was a 2nd round pick, and he had to secure those funds by any means necessary! Also, I've been telling people this for years -- LeBron's problem is that he plays too much on the ball. Like Westbrook, Harden, & Luka, that heliocentric offense WILL NOT consistently win. Yeah, you can win regular season games, but it won't work in the postseason. Wilt Chamberlain couldn't do it, Big O couldn't do it, and Jordan couldn't do it. What makes these guys think they can break that mold? Their teammates are often relegated to being spot up shooters. Look at how Hedo's performance in the 2009 ECF was phrased for example compared to Mo Williams. They both shot like crap from the field, but for Turk, you made sure to point out that he was great from behind the arc, meanwhile completely ignoring that Mo was nearly as efficient from deep at 38%. 41% of his shots were threes (by comparison 28% of Hedo's shots where threes). Mo wasn't an elite playmaker, but like all PGs who play with LeBron, they become the de facto SGs (or combo) guards of their teams because he has to play on the ball so much.
Fact of the matter is that LeBron was a better point guard than Mo Williams was. You couldn't run the offense through anyone else on that Cavaliers team. The Magic had that luxury because they were just deeper.
Terrible take. As if more Mo Williams Pick n rolls or Varejao post ups was the answer is hilarious. The funny thing is that LeBron’s teams offenses always improve in the playoffs compared to the regular season so this narrative isn’t even factual. Try again
Very good video. I honestly think Lebron in his first stint in Cleveland was his best. Win or loss he was playing like MJ, taking matter in his own hands. IMO this was his peak. Had they gotten Stoudmire and restore confidence in the front office he might not have left Cleveland and we be seeing a very difference legacy. Despite winning 4 titles and 1 very impressive one for Cleveland later on, I definitely think it could have been better. It was unfortunate that the front office failed him, they tried, but they failed him.
@@IVANOOZE69 result wise yes but he wasnt as explosive or spectacular anymore. Just like MJ, his late 80 and early 90s years will forever be superior due to his physical peak despite the 2nd 3peat generated better results (72 win season in particular). LeBron at the same time started the flopping and not playing defense routine, overall he just wasn't as good.
Why do you young people fall for this Lebron horse & pony show? The Cavs didn’t lose because of the “front office”. The Cavs lost because the Lebron James style of offense only works to make one guy look good. It’s been proven that that style loses when it goes up against a competent team that works as a unit. Lebron has never been good enough to beat these teams. Face it. He’s just not good enough. PERIOD!!!!
Larry Bird went to college drafted age 22/23 won chip 2nd season in the league at 24 yrs old FOH With this Young Lebron bs being greater than everyone else 😂😂
LeBron is a grest player but his fatal flaw is he can't play off ball and he HAS to play in the LeBron James System Those reason along.with him constantly shooting 35% from outside of.5 ft from the basket makes him a liability to his team (when he needs them to step up)... the LJS is not a free flowing.one so the team ends up standing around all game waiting on lebron verses a ststem where ppl are.constantly moving and getting to.thier spots... i do wish lebron could have stayed in Miami and let those guys finish developing him or lebron would have switched to Just being a PG an allowing someone else to be the scoring focus... he could have wentn7-3 and this goat convo would have been behind us
@@logandegras5886stop the excuses. LeBron was going 0-7 for entire first half and getting out scored by 4 different players. He shot 35% FG, 20% from 3p, and had more turnovers than anybody on either team
@@reillyhopf6508 that's not true at all. The Spurs backed off LeBron and forced him to shoot and wouldn't allow them to get fast breaks. Real basic defense to defend a very limited scorer. LeBron was kicking the ball off his foot on fast breaks, throwing cross court passes that ricocheted off the side of the rim. LeBron was terrible in those Finals and didn't give his team a chance to win. Don't forget LeBron was also staying in the whole 4th quarter down by 25 points just so he could eventually average 22ppg on 35% FG! Go look at how good the Cavs played in game 1 and how LeBron stalled their offense and coughed up leads with his bricks and turnovers
Curry legit has a better career and LeBron could have had a similar one is he toughed it out Curry has a horrible start and almost was out of the league from constant injuries. Stuck with his team and fight for his core to stay together. Kobe after shaq had to suffer through injuries and a horrible rebuild that took years before he could return to contention. The thing that makes it hard to feel bad for him is that he could have stayed on the heat and won more but chose to leave and he could have stayed in Cleveland the second time with kyrie and love. The reason he didn't have a consistent core and staff is because he hopped. Choices that he made
hey built team around him and got back to back 65+ win teams. lechock just can't win without superteams like prime kyrie/prime love and prime wade/prime bosh all on same teams. lmfao then he need bubble with prime ad. 0 ring without superteams hahahaha now fans has to make excuses when team was built around him. this is why lechock fans are the worst.
This video sounded like a bunch of excuses. That version of Shaq & Ben Wallace was better than Cartwright & will Perdue. So stop, he just didn’t know how to lead a team to the championship. He was taught that in Miami
He hasn’t lead a 60-win team since 2013. 3 out of the 4 years he won mvp, he lead a 60-win team & was also 1st team All-DEF. He hasn’t done either since 2013. Probably a big reason why he hasn’t won it. 2020 was the only debatable year since considering Milwaukee & LA were jockeying for best record in the league.
No one with any real intelligence and discernment hold that Spurs finals or even LeBron first stint in Cleveland against him. In fact, he could’ve still been the goat. It’s what proceed after that put him out of contention. Because he wasn’t the only top 12 player to lose in the finals. Him at his apex in 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017 is what made him not the goat. He played with so players that at one point or another were literally considered franchise players - #1 guys. Countless great role players, 3 point shooters, 3 & D players, athletic players. And didn’t amount to much.
2011, he choked but also say he was trying to fit in with two superstars as he never played with one before. 2014, regressed bosh and wade. 2015, kyrie and love were injured. 2017, he lost to a 2016 warriors with an MVP caliber player. Like idk what you want him to do.
@@johnnyblingg niggas just don't give bron context to argue him out of the goat case which is fine ig if you wanna be ignorant after all winning is all that matters.
@@donaldf9055 What people don't realize about 2011 is that it was the first time in LeBron's life he had to play as the 2nd offensive option. Most of the offense still ran through Wade. Summer came and they said fuck that shit lol you need to be the number one definitive option going forward.
@@donaldf9055 Let's add even more context. 2014, Bosh and Wade regressed but the Spurs core were even older and put up similar numbers. 2017, stack up the 4 best Warriors players' stats to the 4 best Cavs players' stats and the numbers are similar. The takeaway for me is that the Spurs and Warriors systems were just simply better systems and that team-oriented systems win more often than not. Plus, building through the draft gives franchises more money to deepen the bench in free agency. LeBron's handselected superteams created through free agency or trades were so top-heavy that the budget to add depth was limited. The Warriors' depth deteriorated in the years after KD joined because his salary took up so much of the budget.
Truth is he choked in the finals avg 22 ppg on 34% fg and 22% 3Pt while his teammates kept the score close with the spurs barely winning by a 4 point margin
Agreed, he was horrid in that finals, I get him not winning but him performing that terribly in genuinely close games was really bad. His team even had the lead at points as well in the last two games decided by 4 points combined. The only game that was a blowout was game 2.
You know nothing. Spurs were literally trapping him all series long anytime he set foot inside the 3pt line. All 5 players at all times were always focusing in on LeBron. One of the greatest Defensive teams of all time too with Bruce Bowen. Nothing about "Choking" here Moron. Spurs did not care if anyone else scored outside of Bron. Yall Bron haters are casuals
They drafted a high school kid and he took them to the finals on his rookie deal... What else is there to say 🤣
Stop 🍆 🚲
Mj would’ve won that shit with them sorry ass cavs no cap.
@@Coldass y'all just make stuff up lol. LeBron was in the finals at the age MJ entered the league. There's no telling who would benefit from your hypothetical, and MJ with a weak supporting cast got swept twice in the first round by a great team that won fewer rings. Carry on tho.
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Lmao mj went to college and won a natty that argument doesn’t mean shit. Lebron wouldn’t have even made a final 4 game
Forgot to mention cavs were a top 5 defense in 07
Top 2 no?
@@luke8837 4th in the regular season and 2nd in the playoffs
Wow wait frfr
Because lebron carried them
He mentioned their defensive identity bro
Him looking delonte west dead in the eye after the three and not shaking him in is hilarious
Time stamp?
Fathers are rarely intimidated by their sons.
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Dwight Howard: 38.6 MPG
LeBron: 38.5 PPG
So? ..... LeBumm lost that series..😆
@@PartsUnknownXu a troll bro touch grass and stop hating
Facts hate feelings Young Brotha. I try not to be a troll though. It just drives me nuts how people be like "this person is GREAT".. but they don't talk about"how they got there". Super teams he built, flops, lies outright, quits on teams, pouting and throwing fits on the court, complaining about help though he plays with All-stars. ..... But on 2k he's a 99, and on ESPN he dunks a lot right? That's what Young cats base it on apparently. Nobody claiming Steph is as good as MJ and he's been eating LeBumm's food for a decade. Points ain't shit. Wins are, My guy. Shit is Cray fr...
All those points.... And all those Losses...
@@PartsUnknownX I'm going to reply only to the last part because I think it epitomizes the general bias against LeBron in NBA culture.
Yes, LeBron has lost a lot, but he has also played more winning basketball than almost every player in history. He literally has won the most playoff series of all time, he has won the second most finals MVPs of all time, and he has one of the highest playoff win rates of all legends. He beat the winningest regular season team in the history of the game while averaging 36-12-10-3-3 over 3 elimination games to secure a comeback that was never made in the finals before or since (to say nothing of the anomaly that was leading both teams in all 5 major stat categories, which has never been done elsewhere, let alone in a 7-game NBA finals), he led the only team that could beat the Spurs in the finals, he averaged 35 points in his first ever playoff series and almost made the conference finals against the team that made the finals the previous year, he made the conference finals a whole 17 years later while still playing at a high level despite his injury, he fell short of playing ball "into June" (making the finals) a mere 1 time in a span of 10 years . . . The list of feats goes on.
I've become a fan of LeBron in his Laker years, and even I am not jumping up and down over 8 consecutive finals appearances, but what makes it impressive is not really the number, but the fact that LeBron-led teams, even though they were the favorites to win the conference, were not prone to being upset even once in that span. He went to 4 game 7s and came out on top every time. He won both his game 7s in the NBA finals, which I think isn't talked about enough. Heck, he hasn't lost in a game 7 since 2008 despite playing in 6 of them after that year. Is that not the pedigree you expect only from a winner?
The only thing you can possibly be referring to in calling LeBron a "loser" in basketball is his finals record. 4-6, right? Go pick on Elgin Baylor and his 0-7 record then. If you bring up one individual series like 2011 finals, what are we doing, basing his entire legacy/narrative on one series then? What about the finals series in which his teams were completely outmatched? Do you expect him to lose _before_ the finals in order to shield his precious finals record from all-time great teams like the Spurs and Warriors?
We could nitpick similar things with Kobe Bryant, a player who is generally seen as a "winner" despite only having one more ring than LeBron in the same number of seasons and being the second best player on his own team for the majority of his finals appearances. Hardly anyone critiques his losses in the first round, losing twice in a row to a Suns team that never could even make the finals, including a blown 3-1 lead in which Kobe took 3 shots in the 2nd half of game 7. Hardly anyone remembers that he took 30 more FGA in a 5-game finals than Shaq and _still_ scored fewer points. Hardly anyone remembers how badly he performed in the 2008 elimination game vs. the Celtics, shooting 7-22 with 4 turnovers and a -35 +/-. Even still, he is revered as one of the greatest winners in league history. Imagine if LeBron had the luxury of being the second best player on 4 of his finals squads . . .
@@PartsUnknownXusing this logic he should have stuck with the shit team and the shit front office and win nothing but as long as he’s “loyal” damonlillard3097 will acknowledge it🤪
Great Video. I wanna add that originally Larry Hughes wasn’t bad offensively, he averaging 22ppg the season before coming to Cleveland. He ended up injuring his hand pretty badly early in the season and never was able to make his shot consistently.
His stint in Cleveland was marred by injury and he never became the real second option next to Lebron he was signed to be
The thing is he's health concerns were there to see only playing 2 seasons over 50 games which by even today's standards is short unless your like kwahi or embid
It is criminal how the Cavs wasted LeBron’s first 6 years of his career.
Kinda like what the suns did in bookers first 6 years
@@ajaay786they brought Devin SOMETHING in CP3. The Cavs brought LeBron an NBA MVP, three time NBA Finals MVP, and 4x NBA champion who is the most dominant center… at 37 😂
@@kdfan35 ok?
@@kdfan35what are you even talking about? Then to laugh at your own weird comment is…weird.
they built team around him and got back to back 65+ win teams. lechock just can't win without superteams like prime kyrie/prime love and prime wade/prime bosh all on same teams. lmfao then he need bubble with prime ad. 0 ring without superteams hahahaha now fans has to make excuses when team was built around him. this is why lechock fans are the worst.
To my grave Ill say 2009 Lebron is Peak Lebron. Ive watched every single clip out there available of lebron and 2009 is truly his greatest. 2009 and 2010 Lebron is his greatest regular season peak
Bro just no, this is a very poor hill to die on. Maybe he is at his pure athletic peak but as we saw that doesn't matter in the playoffs and the playoffs do matter. When he developed a respectable jump shot and great post game which allowed him to be more effective in a halfcourt setting is when he was at his peak i.e. 2012-2018.
@@Aleks-ot5ns LeBron does not have a great post game and his midrange jumpers are absolute trash
@@hakeemolajuwon4352would love to see you play ball irl 💀 you ppl love to call nba players trash but couldn’t even make ur jv team
LeBron CLEARLY peaked in 2013 though, that was his winning peak, physical peak, & All-Around Peak…, The Man Shot 40% from 3 at 6’9 as one of the best drivers basketball has ever seen, he came 2nd in DPOY Voting (Should’ve won it), Won an MVP, & won Finals MVP, not to forget he was bigger than normal at about 280 to be able to guard bigger players & polished his post game as well.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 you are an absolute clown, his post game is absolutely great for a sf/pf and he is not Steph Curry but his jump shot is decent and leeps and bounds ahead of what it was from 2003-2011 and I dont even like the guy. You're just a pure hater
The Cavs never deserved him, plain and simple
You’re right they deserved better like wade or melo
@@andresdelportillo9917you gotta be joking 💀
@@andresdelportillo9917none were better than Lebron at all any time of their career through eye test or statistics
@@ksewilliams denver melo literally was better than Lebron on a worse team in a stacked west , wade before injuries was better than Lebron even won a ring with a team full of old washed vets and his best player (shaq) average 15.5 ppg
@@andresdelportillo9917clown
Big Z was an all star with lebron in 2005...so Mo williams was not his first all star teammate
Big z was an all star before lebron got there💯and ricky Davis was averaging 20+ and still no playoffs
@@Dipset415 that's because he couldnt make the playoffs with losing records. Unlike a certain someone.
@@sportstalkonly1442 idk brodie the 7th seed knicks were 39-43 that year and the heat with rookie wade were the 4th seed at 42-40 🥱you lebron fans believe everything your told🫵🏿😭
@Dipset415 Some guys have made the playoffs with trash 30-52 records. Lebron was a rookie. Cavs won 35 games. He still missed the playoffs. He led his team to 42 wins the very next season, the same record that Wade had when he made the playoffs the previous year and still missed the playoffs. He didn't lead his team to the playoffs until he led his team to 50 wins. And u lebron haters always think u can make up myths and narratives and get away with it.
@Dipset415 so u expect rookie lebron to get his team to the playoffs, the cavs had 35 wins and missed them and then 42 and missed them. You're talking about a rookie lebron and his second year like he was in the middle of his prime missing the playoffs.
Ilgauskas was an all star in 2005
sssshhh don't tell them that because it defeats the narrative that LeBron actually played with good players. You don't make All-Defense if you're not good (Larry Hughes) and Big Z in his prime averaged 15pts, 8rebs, and 1.8blks per game on 47% shooting in his prime years (non-injury years) from 2002-2009. To put this in perspective, Rasheed Wallace averaged 15pts, 7rebs, & 1.5blks on 44% shooting.
Now, I'm not insinuating that Big Z was some world beater, but the Cavs' roster was on par with the rest of the East which didn't have that many stars anyway.
@@atlien1988Big Z wasn’t in his prime playing with Lebron and him making an all star game is more of the East being thin at Center.
@@atlien1988 you dont build roster to get out of ur conference u build team to beat finals
@@atlien1988he was arguably a top 3ish center in the east in the 2000s
**in the east in the 2000s**
@@atlien1988bruh you really thought you did something with mentioning big Z’s lone all star appearance 😂
So Bron at 18 was averaging 21 ppg, 6 ast, 5.5 rpg, 1.6 stls, while shooting 42% FG and 75% FTS.
While Mj at 40 was averaging 20 ppg, 4 ast, 6 rpg 1.5 stls, while shooting 45% FG and 81% FTS.
That's a year apart from each other. Crazy.
That’s pretty normal a 18 year old vs 40 year old is fair ?! What’s the point normal players arent even playing that well at 40?
Don't forget Jordan scored more points at age 39 than LeBron did at age 38 and he played all 82 games
@@hakeemolajuwon4352he scored more points because he played all 82. LeBron's scoring average was significantly higher.
@@nonsookafojr.3370 what good is a scoring average if you don't score 1,600 points?! Seriously the object of the game is to play all the games and score points, not who can play less games and score less points lol
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 The point is you are trying to insinuate that Jordan was better at that age or had the greater season. LeBron was much better at the point volume wise and efficiency wise when it comes to scoring. Was also better in the other categories as well. Jordan was more durable seemingly. Or maybe played through injury much more. That is all.
You were wrong. Big Z and Lebron were both all stars in 2005.
Idk why, but I've noticed alot of LeBron fans seem to underrate Zydrunas Ilgaskus all the time when they discuss LeBron's first Cavs stint.
Wow I knew pretty much all those facts but had no idea how much of a beast he was in the CF against Orlando! 39, 8 and 8 at 49% from the field?! Not to mention that was against the best defense and the best interior defender in the game. He did everything for that team and they spat in his face when he left.
Bullshit. They gave him what they could and Bron said this. Stars did not want to go to Cleveland for reduced pay. He played well but so did Dwight.
@@mostmost1 they let Boozer walk and traded Larry Hughes for a washed Ben Wallace dude, shut up.
@@UserName-go7hmthey also drafted another guy who played LeBrons position RIGHT AFTER they drafted Bron lmao
@@UserName-go7hm they were still the #1 seed and the bulls paid that washed Wallace way more money. So stfu.
@@mostmost1they did not give him what they could stop
Larry Hughes was not a bad offensive player. He put up solid offensive numbers, could facilitate the offense, guard multiple positions and was hampered by injuries and personal matters during his stint in Cleveland. When he played well they were a very tough team to beat. Please note his brother Justin who was his inspiration died during the 06 playoff campaign and he was hurt during the 07 playoff campaign and finals run. I would argue that a healthy and productive Hughes with James playing on the level that he played in 07 could have won 1/2 games versus the Spurs.
So even with all you just said,LeBron was stifled by his teammates injuries and off court problems,LeBron came in 2003, to a team that had only won 17 games prior following that LeBron got to 35 games,he willed them to 7 finals, so he was supposed to stay!
What Larry Hughes are you talking bout guarding multiple positions what defensive team he made ?
@@WilliamJones-ng5fi I don't remember the multiple positions part but he did lead the league in steals and made the all defensive team that year
@@2714shaun 05 with the wizards I’m talking about with the Cavs tho
This whole video is fanboy bullshite.
Everything here is all about "what LeBron needs from the Cavs" and never about what LeBron should do FOR the Cavs. Coddling this guy is why LeBron throws embarrassing **tantrums** on-court when a call doesn't go his way, and he always "needs more help" whenever he fails in the post-season.
Can we stop with the LeBron vs. MJ arguments already? They're both all-timers who played in differnt eras. Just appreciate the fact that you were able to witnesses each of them play. Because as we saw with Kobe, life is fleeting.
They will never stop. Every time I catch up with an MJ dlckriding buddy they start talking ignorantly about LeBron. They actually hate him. They are jealous.
17:57 his speed on this play is insane. too strong and too fast
Melo did the same thing against him in 2009 and it was so beautiful
You and Skap Attack would have an interesting discussion.
Lol skap.will have a heart attack watching this video
Interesting facts:
Lebron was second in the MVP race ahead of 'peak' Kobe in '06
No one makes it to the finals on a bad team. They overachieved because of Lebron, but the competition was just bad enough for him to show out.
Those teams was kind of like Dallas sometimes last year - good defence, solo star offence. It works until a point.
Lebron was second in DPOY in 09
Lebron was very bad in the 07 finals. Watch the games.
You don't win 66 games with a bad team.
His teams were good, just not as good as to what the celtics were doing.
And the magic series, he was robbed of
2006 Kobe was easily the real mvp. The east was quite frankly very weak while LeBron was playing
@@ArmandoKozomaraNo he wasn’t
@@ArmandoKozomara kobe's team was like low seed
He was only second in mvp voting bc the media loves lebron. In many cases Mvp is literally just the media choosing which top player they like the most that season.
@ph-ju1fo Kobe's team consisted of below average nba players. They had no business making the playoffs especially in the west where you need a pretty decent record in order to squeeze into the playoffs.
Imagine leaving a 60 win team and blaming the organization. Yall weird 😂
As a Spurs fan who didn’t like Lebron, Lebron was the reason they even won 60 games. Without him, those teams miss the playoffs and become lottery teams. Look what happened when Lebron went to Miami. The organisation should take the majority of the blame for not putting the right squad together around Lebron that could’ve helped him win. Lebron did everything he could for Cleveland and the front office failed him massively.
How many wins did they get the next year? Hint, they broke a record but not in a good way
@@jujuju948kyrie carried
At least you admitted he only played one year in the dead ball era….,kinda crazy they changed the rules the next year 😏
Yeah what a coincidence. Removed hand checking and removed the big man out of the paint right when LeBron is turning 19y old lol there's been more PG's to win MVP since 2004 then there had been in the entire history of the NBA before that lol but nah, the rules didn't benefit LeBron, and they definitely benefited Jordan lol
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 exactly.
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 Yeah it's not a coincidence the league noticed ratings were in the toilet and wanted to shake up the rules to at least come CLOSE to 90s pace.
What’s the dead ball era
LeBron would have also dominated the dead ball era as well and anyone who knows ball can see that
Early Bron Cavs is the reason I fell In love with the game. Like some Lab made Cyborg
The most Alien shit I've ever seen in any sports.
Yet somehow he's only had 1 scoring title and 1 assists title in 20 seasons and that's all he's praised for lol
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 You're a casual that doesn't even hoop. I don't care about that garbage. Bron was Box Office and entertaining that made me want to go out and play hoops tryna mimic him and what not with my buddies. You're a nerd that only watches most likely and argues over the internet
Really? Early LeBron is why you started watching basketball??🤦🏾♂️...omg ....
@@PartsUnknownX to be fair, 09' LeBron was pretty incredible
@@PartsUnknownXi swear thats most people on the Internet. Thats where his defenders come from
16:15 you can't say LeBron was the best player in the playoffs, when KOBE, was in the 2nd year, of the greatest, hardest, 3 season playoff run, in NBA history...
Yea ur on drugs if you think Kobe was at any point playing better than LeBron throughout the 2009 regular season (winning the MVP) or the 2009 playoffs (when he averaged 35/9/7 with elite defense on 62% TS). Kobe winning a championship with a clearly better roster while playing clearly inferior is not enough to change that
@@YungMustard Never said anything about the regular season guy 🤦♂️
In 2009, KOBE scored 600 points for the 2nd time in a row, soon to be 3 (only player to do so in history). All 4 teams he faced had 50+ wins. Then, he mopped the floor with the "best defensive team" (leastern conference scheduled stat), in 5 games... The magic team, that was the ONLY 50+ win team LeBron faced... Do you want me to go into the All-Stars KOBE faced compared to LeBron next? Context is uh hell of uh thing guy.
@@tankeater Kobe Beat a Deron Willams led Utah Jazz team in that won 48 games in 5, LeBron swept the Hawks who won 47 games. LeBron faced the best defense in BASKETBALL with the best defender in the world in the paint. Compare his performance to Kobe’s vs that same Magic team and it’s not even close. Meanwhile LeBron played with a far worse roster. Pau Gasol ALONE immediately trumps anything LeBron had to work with lmaoo
@@YungMustard Yep, my bad, I thought it was 2008 he played that Jazz team... I'd love for you to look up Paul's stats without KOBE 🤣. Funny, KOBE is called a bad teammate. Yet, he made the USA no longer the LeBRONZE team. Got Paul into the HOF. Got borderline bench players to rise to the occasion... Yet, look at how much LeBron seeps the talent from the people around him... It's MEMEME ball. If you're not a dish out shooter, your game will be worse with LeBron, and that's uh fact!!! Once again, in the midst of setting all time NBA Playoff records, you're crowning someone who didn't even make it??? LMFFFAAAOOO let me guess, while going through the Leastern Conference, you think LeBron 6 Finals loses, with 2 sweeps, is impressive, huh? 🤣🤦♂️
@YungMustard Lol please stop Kobe's 09 Finals MVP>>>>>>LeBron's 09 regular season MVP. Kobe was still the best player in the world at that point. Yall LeBron fans are hilarious. 😂
The amount of hate LeBron gets on videos like this in the comments section is truly remarkable. Cherry-picking and selective memory at its finest. Praising LeBron does not mean you hate Jordan. Some of you need to get that through your minds.
Most hated player NBA history and it's not close
@@poly_g6068Can't act like LeBron didn't add the hate onto himself lol
@@EastSideRudeBoy He's more hated than actual killers. So I'd say no he didn't.
Same thing with Jordan In his early yrs except he took them to the playoffs every year lmao tf
@15:09 Mo Williams wasn't LeBron's first time all star teammate. Zydrunas Ilgaskus was a 2 time all star, and made it with LeBron as his teammate in 05.
Also @16:53, the best player in the world at that time was the guy who won Finals MVP and his 4th ring that year. 🤷♂️💍
Kobe wasn’t better just on a better team
@@nathanwalker6284how was he better than Kobe
Thank u
The guy who made the 04 superteam fail ?
@@shemgilbert1991by being a better passer, more efficient scorer in the RS and the PLAYOFFS, and better defender by 09 and so on.
Noti gang been a while see your videos b4 nba season starts
"expounding" is a great way to say PEDs lol
Guess everybody should do it then since it worked out so well for only 1 man..... bruh
My man said he didn't want to be on the extreme side that says Bron was sorraounded with a bunch of scrubs and then proceeds to describe that indeed he was fully sorraounded by scrubs specially when it matters the most. 😂😅
Bro, that Bron & Amare break would’ve been VICIOUS! 💯💯💯
It would have been terrible….Amare is a free throw up player and lebron needs the paint…it woulda took away from both strengths..and then Amare woulda left in the summer
I really hated your larry hughes take. It was a good trade..Larry hughes never played and didn't stretch the floor which lebron needed. Therefore getting rid of that bad contract for Ben and Delonte who does stretch the floor wasn't a bad move at all.
I love this video. It just shows how shitty Cleveland Cavalier Box Office is. Lebron had the worst of any superstar that I know. Jordan had similar thing in the beginning with Bulls but the difference was Bulls were smart and started getting right players by draft and other means. They set up a system that allowed Jordan to succeed. However Jordan had to face a tougher conference as East was stronger than the West but he was eventually able to get great players and team was able to improve enough for him to win championships. Lebron on the other hand was just unlucky. That CAVS was horrible. Honestly never should have come back to CAVS. He should have stayed with Miami Heat all throughout.
It’s not a Box Office. That’s a movie term
*Front Office
It's actually front office
Kevin Garnett also suffered a shitty front office
That is why he had to leave. But KG never had it as bad as Lebron but KG still had it bad. I can't believe that Minnesotta let go of Chauncey Billups.@@sargeranders9546
In those 7 years the Cavs beat 2 teams who won more than 43 games in the playoffs. The East so was quite weak from 1999- 2018. The big 3 celtics got pushed to 7 games in the 1st round vs atlanta in 2008.
Akron is his hometown, not Cleveland. The cities are about 40 mins apart.
Lebron was never willing to adjust his game to win. MJ went from SF, to SG, to PG, back to SG then back to SF to win. Lebron only wanted to play Point Forward because he has no post game, no midrange, can't move without the ball, can't shoot clutch from distance, etc. Players were not utilized to their full potential with Lebron because he was a one trick pony.
Bron played point forward simply cause he is one of the best passers ever. He played Power Forward in Miami, PG and even C in Lakers. Stop that false narrative.
66 wins team so of course the TEAM was good
Him carrying is all narrative as usual
What narrative? They were a decent roster but you aren’t winning anything with mo Williams as a second option. Just look at what happened when he left in 2010 they went from a 61 wins to a 19 wins
@@applycontext9161bro it wasnt just him who left 😂😂lmao why do people think that. over half the team was different, the former coach of the year left, there was even a whole new team executive.
half the roster was new, the head coach was new, and the front office even had different people in it.
They were a great regular season team it's hard to argue that he wasn't doing most of the damage though.. I watched that team and they were great offensively in season but declined in the playoffs especially their floor spacers Sczerbiak, Pavlovic, West and Williams.
It was a great watch though ngl
Eastern Conference will pad your wins.
If Lebron wasn’t on the Cavs would they have won 66 games you sound dumb
I was waiting for this video
the fact mfs still think lebron from Cleveland lmao
11:13 you need to mention Lebron absolutely not showing up at all in game 6 and getting saved by a bench player, they consistently bailed him out in 2007
What was his average throughout the whole series vs LeBron? 😂
@@nolaboy4ever504 well that's his teammate so I guess 0 points against kebron
@@HighKey_Mars you made it look like it’s wrong to have a teammate. So what Gibson scored 31 in Game 6, he did his part to help the cavs close out the pistons. The hardest game was game 5. And LeBron did the heaviest lifting of them all to put them ahead.
How is one outlier game consistently bailing Lebron out?
Ok. So then by your logic, when game 7 of 2010 finals, pau saved Kobe when he shit 5-26 in GAME 7, and WHEN METTA HIT THE GAME WINNER TO SAVE KOBUM.
I’m pretty sure big Z was Lebrons first all star teammate in 04/05
All I know is that LeBron in 11 seasons in Cleveland won one championship, lost 4 finals, and got swept twice while going 7-19 overall in the finals😬
me when i love no context LMAO individually always been best didnt have the team
Lebron was not the best player on the court in 2007. 2017 it’s debatable considering how well Durant played and how much Lebron stat padded.
@@rackball5858 bron had 33 10 and 10 those finals against best team ever kd would be nothing without curry and klay spacing
@@fyks669 He also played like trash down the stretch in a close game 3.
2018 he had 1 great game in the series. That skews his point total to the high end. Then he blamed the sweep all on a “self-inflicted broken hand.”
@@rackball5858 no way bro is serious compare the fucking teams
His teammates we’re definitely average but regardless the skill level they wasn’t winning or going to no finals until LEBRON jus facts
You should do a 2011-2018 review on if Lebron really had a cakewalk in the playoffs because he did
no he didnt. 2011, 2015, 2018 were not cakewalks.
2011 : 56-26 Celtics with 4 all stars THAT SEASON and had just went to game 7 of the finals. 62-20 Bulls with MVP Rose and the number one defense in the league and best overall record. Not a cakewalk
2015 : 50-32 Bulls with 3 all stars THAT YEAR (Butler, Rose and Gasol). Cavs were 52-30 with NO kevin love and a clearly hobbled Kyrie. Also no JR SMith for 2 of those games due to a suspension. THen, 60-22 Hawks with 4 all stars THAT YEAR. Again the 52-30 cavs with no kevin love except this time no Kyrie for HALF the series. Lebron still sweeps them. Not a cakewalk
2018 : 59-23 Raptors vs a 50-32 Cavs team. Raptors are clearly favoured yet Lebron sweeps them. Then the 56-26 Celtics, with the no.1 Defense in the league. beats them in 7 despite his second best scoring teammate averaging 12 points
2012 also wasnt a cakewalk due to the fact that Bosh was injured for the entire 2nd Round and majority of the Boston series but overall those teams werent great so whatever Ill give that to you
2013, 2014, 2016 and 2017 were cakewalks DESPITE the cavs facing some teams that had greater records than them but whatever they were generally cakewalks
@@Gabriel-sh3ms Are you serious saying 2018 wasn't a cakewalk? Cavs played the Celtics in the ECF and Kyrie was out for the Celtics and Tatum was a rookie with JB being a 2nd yr player. The Raptors were a joke. One player, Demar, averaged 20 ppg and no one else on the team averaged that many ppg, no one averaged 10 rebounds per game and no one averaged 7 assists on that team. The Raptors had proven they were incapable of beating the Cavs in a playoff series so the Raptors being favored is completely meaningless.
This is why lebron fans are despised. If you actually watched basketball everyone knew that Raptors team wasn't winning shit in the playoffs. Celtics #1 defense means nothing when missing key players. Also it's interesting how you left out the Cavs 1st round opponent which was the Pacers. Only a casual thinks the Pacers, a weak Raptors team, and a Celtics team full of young guys and missing their best player was some insanely tough playoff run. And you're somehow saying the 2011 Heat, a super team, had a hard road to the finals? 😂😂😂So delusional. Btw Derrick Rose in 2015 was not the same player and you know it. Stop it bro. That Hawks team was a deeply flawed team. Doesn't matter how many all stars they had. Those of us who actually watched the games know that Hawks team was never winning the chip because they were flawed.
Btw I'll leave this little nugget for you. Lebron has faced a 50+ win team in the playoffs only 43% pf the time. Jordan faced 50+ win teams in the playoffs 63% pf the time and Kobe was 74% of the time. Lebron has had an easier time especially while being in the east. And it's totally ridiculous to say the Heat and Cavs super teams had a hard time in the playoffs from 2011 to 2018. Take that man's meat out yo mouth.
@@MyGoatFrFr just say you can’t read
Lebron was good but so was his team! He shot poorly in a lot of those playoff series and his teammates were unfairly blamed.
Lebron choked in '07. They win 66 games then he averages 22ppg in the finals. Choked
Just say you didn't watch the games. Because if you did, you wouldn't say this dumbass shit.
Great video, but you forgot to mention a few things:
1. Big Z was Lebron's first All-Star teammate, not Mo.
2. Lebron was pretty bad in Games 1-6 of the 2008 ECSF, and his only good game was Game 7. He averaged 5 turnovers and was inefficient, but the Cavs' defense kept them in the series.
3. The Cavs were a top 5 defense. They held Tim Duncan to 18 ppg after he averaged 22 ppg during the regular season.
12:12 Lebron shot under 40/30/70 splits in the 2007 and missed a game winner and a game tying jump shot. If he could shoot, they wouldn't haven gotten swept
Fair points but even if he was in his prime he still not beating the 07 spurs so I don't know why people say if he try harder he wouldn't of gotten swept which is true but he is still losing to them and that's not me trying to hate or trying to defend him
@@kobe2kallday it would have gone 6 games if he was just his average self is my point. He played extremely poorly for his standards
@@HighKey_Mars I say he would of gotten gentlemen swept I can't see him taking the 07 spurs to 6 games but I agreed with you
Lebron needs to post up every single game. He is 6'9" with S Curry and JJ Barea on him, and won't post them up. He holds the NBA turnover record. Some other player should have been running the point, but because Lebron wants to be the center of the offrensive focus, his teams are bogged down by his lack of all around offensive abilities.
LeBronda loses to Dwight Howard and the Orlando Tragic. Lame AF.
Heres the truth about his first stint from what I saw..lebron was a great player but his shot was streaky...so his teams were mostly 3 pt shooters.all season lebron drove and kicked out...the celtics and magic made him a jump shooter and not able to kick to the shooters...that stems from his lack of a jump shot
Thank you. This video ain’t nothing but excuses and following the same narratives. Bron for 20 years has been a one trick pony who can’t play off the ball or shoot so Cleveland surrounded him with the players who filled in his weakness. But once he loses now it’s their fault it’s hilarious
@@indmslikedeez8005 bruh I couldn’t of said it better myself…in the championship rounds a team just needs ONE thing you’re not good at to exploit you…and even when he left and played the mavs it was the same thing they exploited
@@kevinrichards4346 yessir. The dude is the most easiest player to game-plan for, you already know what he’s gonna do. That’s why it boils my blood when they say he’s better than bird or even kd like both those guys can actually play and fit on any team and let their guys eat. Everything with this dude is about him and it shouldn’t be
@@indmslikedeez8005one trick pony? You old heads make no sense. You can say when he was younger maybe. But when u have the all time points in play offs and regular season you’re not jus a one trick pony
@@indmslikedeez8005exaclty
1:31 You forgot about my boy, the God, Darko
2008 semis game 1, LeBron put up 12p, 10 turnovers, 2-18 for 11% FG, 0-6 from 3p... Ilgauskas 22p, 12r, 2s, 2b 44% FG! LeBron didn't carry then.
Game 2, LeBron put up 21p, 7 turnovers, 6-24 for 25% FG, 0-4 from 3p, Ilgauskas 19p, 5r, 2b, 75% FG on only 12 FGA! Ilgauskas took half the shots lebron took, made more of them, and shot 3x more efficient! LeBron actually lost the game for his own team.
lebron performed badly in those games, but then again, is Ilguaskis averaging 39 8 8 in the ecf in 09? i ilguaskis a 4 time mvp? you can single out this game and i agree with you, but dont try and perpetuate the narrative that lebrons team was better than it was
@@fatehshoaib9423 SMH how could he average that many points when LeBron is taking double the amount of shots... Damn I swear you LeBron fanboys don't know crap about basketball
@@fatehshoaib9423 I literally showed you the first two games of the series and then I showed you what he did in game 7
@@MichaelJordanJeffrey ok ? Thats 3 games out of 7 years
@@fatehshoaib9423 no it's freaking not! There's an entire 2011 Finals, there's the 2017 playoffs there's the 2 other times, there's the time LeBron missed the playoffs and the time he almost missed the play in tournament again this year. So basically you weren't even watching basketball in LeBrons career cuz you don't know anything about him
People just throw the the term generational talent around when Lebron took a organization to their first NBA finals. That’s generational talent. Basically what nikola jokic and giannis did that’s what makes these players generational talent.
Good objective breakdown. But even Lebron himself called Kobe the best player in the world in 2009 and also said it in 2010.
And? Bron was objectively better at basketball
That may be the case that LeBron genuinely thinks Kobe was the better player those years, but James was better in pretty much every statistical category over Kobe.
Kobe definitely was
@UTNatlChamps Lebron always fills ups the stat sheet but Kobe's FTs, shot creation and jumper was way better particularly from mid range where he shoots a higher percentage from three feet and out to the 3 point line while taking way more of them (that goes tor their entire career pretty much). Kobe also played in the triangle with a little more help so he didn't need to do as much, but he could take over when needed unlike anyone else. He didn't need to average 30+ or play as many minutes as Lebron. It was close but I'd pick Kobe in 09 and 10. Lebron also didn't have the championship experience like Kobe.
@wooiiin7281 Nope. Kobe in 09 and 10= 2 Rings, and 2 FMVPS>>>LeBron's 2 regular season MVPs at that time. Kobe was definitely the best player in the world between 05-06 to 09-10, as he accomplished the most of any contemporary player within that 5 season period.
22:10 he got his injury the end of February (after All-Star Week). Got his surgery March 1st. Playoffs start, mid April... "Missing months of time"??? I've come to notice, LeBron lovers, seem to over exaggerate the truth. Why? He's his earas GOAT... Just give me the facts man 🤦♂️
Also when he left the cavs they proceeded to trade away everything and intentionally tank so they could get a high draft pick..u lebron fans make it seem as if it was the same exact players he played with…
He gets to the top of the key, pounds the ball for 10 seconds. No sets or movement . James grandma ball destroys player's game and reputations. Boring as spit.
This is nothing but a big excuse making video trying to hide the fact that LeBron is just an overhyped overrated choke artist.
You just gonna pretend that 2011 didn’t happen? Those Cavs teams in 09&10 were the 1 seed and highly favored to win the East or even the title. You also over glorified the Orlando and Boston teams that they lost to as virtually unbeatable when Kobe and his Lakers beat those same teams. In 2009 the Lakers went 0-2 against Orlando but beat them in 5 games in the finals… there’s this thing called adjustments, and LeBron never does that.
True greatness comes from heart, grit, determination and mindset… not numbers and excuses!
Stop talking. You don't know shit.
In the infamous 2007 Finals run, they had a losing record vs. teams with winning records. In the ECF if Daniel Gibson doesnt score 31 off the bench on 9 shots they probably lose in 7. Very overrated run
"the magic were a bad matchup" what does that even mean? is Lebron not suppossed to be a mismatch for orlando too? its not like they were raining 14+ 3's a game. and clearly their defensive scheme worked cause although lebron played well, they locked up everyone else. so was it not bad offensive or the limited offense that lebron had? lebron better than kobe at that time? how? we cannot act as if that lakers team was stacked cause if we put gasol with lebron they would be calling him soft this and soft that, can't play defense and so on. andrew bynum would be said to be clogging the paint, derrick fisher would be called trash with a broken jumper, meta world peace would be called washed. The cavs teams were defensive teams, and it has always be hard to build a team around lebron, even in a major city, because of his weirdly mixed skillset and deficiencies and play style. he isnt a team player, he becomes the teams player.
he as literally second in dpoy in 2009 he was an excellent defender you’re just delusional also the magic were a horrible matchup he was a paint demon his younger years and that’s where magic defense strives he would take the whole defense kick out and his shooters would miss try watching a game rather than listening to narratives
Lebron didn't play good defense in the Orlando series. Hedo did whatever he wanted.
Agree w/ most(80%) of what was said in this Video. The main issue here is that "The East was Weak" during Lebrons first stint in CLE. Between 2004-2010, 3 of the 7 eventual NBA Champions came from the Eastern Conference(DET, MIA, BOS). And during those 7 Seasons, The 4 titles won by the Western Conference were only won by a Total of 2 Teams(SAS, LAL). Also there's nothing weak about a team that wins 60+ games in back to back seasons(CLE 09, 10) w/ the back to back MVP.
Facts 🎉
The East was much weaker from 2013-2018 than 06-09. Lebron taking that 08 Boston team to 7 games was more impressive than beating the 07 Pistons. If not for Boston making those trades for KG & Ray, to go along prime Pierce & a young guy like Rondo, the East would have really been weak.
Context matters.
The East was much weaker than the Western Conference. It's not even debatable. Check the All-NBA teams during that period. Nearly 70% of the best players in the league were in the Western Conference.
You also cherry-picked three seasons in which the East won, but the conference was extremely top heavy. In 2004, The Pacers and the Pistons were the only two teams to finish the season with at least 50-wins. No other EC team won more than 47 games and that was the mediocre Nets (they made consecutive finals in 2002 & 2003 led by Kidd and their defense). There were 6 such teams in the West and 13 of the top 20 teams in the league were Western Conference teams.
In 2005 the East was slightly better, but as with 2004 only two teams finished with at least 50 wins. The West again had 6 as the Nuggets finished the season with 49 wins. The rest of those EC teams were just slightly above average to good teams (Heat & Pistons were top dogs).
In 2006 there were more 60-win teams so obviously there will be fewer 50-win teams overall. However, this was the first year during the 2000s where we can say that the East was more competitive, but it's really just the top teams in the conference feasting on the mid to garbage EC teams. 7 teams in the East finished with 35 or fewer wins. 3 teams finished with 41 or fewer wins. 67% of the conference didn't even have a winning record!!!
I can finish out the remainder of the decade, but you get the point(?). Now here's some homework for you; tell me about the overall record for West vs East regular season for the 2000s decade & EC win%. I'll give you a hint...It's not over 40% 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
From 99-11 east won 3 titles total. All 3 you named that came in a 5 year span. East was HORRIBLE and is just getting back to even now.
2 of those games in 2007 were within one possession in crunch time.
The front office failed with Ray Allen and Michael Redd, having to settle for Hughes, which was not a good fit and damn near injured the whole time.
I felt like the Cavaliers would win whenever Hughes was out of the lineup but it was kind of sold like the Cavs were rallying around Hughes's personal tragedy.
Are you gone do a video like this of Lebron in Miami ? And bron 2nd stint in Cleveland and bron in LA?
Tl;dr: HoF player on a G-League Franchise for 7 years. I remember it fondly cause James was f'ing amazing. It was always weird seeing Dan Gilbert be cheap and not getting help for a player that added a billion dollars to your franchise.
g league team is wild disrespectful 😭😭
@@yurushi55its not disrespectful just ignorant
@@JaKingScomez This was the Cleveland Cavaliers were talking about here. In 2002. Are you sure youre not the one being ignorant
@@andrewcook1246 😐
@@andrewcook1246so was the conference really weak or was Cleveland really good?
Was a Cleveland Lebron fan and a Miami Lebron fan but damn Laker Lebron bugs the shit outta me
2008 semis game 7, LeBron put up 45p 5r, 6a, 2s, on 14-29 for 48% FG, 3-11 for 27% from 3p, and had 2 turnovers. LeBron literally took 29 of the teams 67 FGA's, missed 8 threes and 7 twos, while 4 other teammates averaged a higher FG % on less than half the shots! LeBron once again bricked his team out of contention. It gets worse even. Even if you completely forget the 2011 Finals, the playoff chokes are plentiful. Leading both teams in turnovers shooting as low as 12% from 3p for the entire Finals!
6 assist to 2 turnovers isn’t a bad ratio 😭😭 29 shots and making just under half of them ain’t bad either 45points is good too you’re just a hater bru 😭😭 and the point being that lebron isn’t allowed to have an off night because if he does the team loses without him kyrie Ad or bosh wouldn’t have a ring and wade wouldn’t of gone out of the first round anymore after his first chip wit shaqs help and that’s facts
And are you an idiot ? It’s easier to have a higher fg% if you’re taken LESS SHOTS lmaooo idiot that’s like sayin you took 2 shots and made 1 so you shot 50% but I took 10 and only made 4 so I only shot 40% can you really say it’s an accomplishment that your field goal percentage was higher. ???? That’s idiotic thinking
Everybody chokes don’t care what you say name a player and I can dissect them and name games and playoffs they chocked Jordan was swept in the first round twice and couldn’t get past the second round till pimpin and Rodman joined kobe needed Shaq to win as he was always getting out performed by Shaq and he never shot over 50%fg for a season EVER when you get picky like you just did anybody can look bad
LeBron takes all the shots and always has the ball in his hands and his fans expect his teammates to find a rhythm? LOL
Plus, you take away his ability to drive and the offense crawls to a halt. That's why I always laugh when people have the audacity to put in the discussion for greatest PGs ever. LeBron is a great scorer who's a willing passer. That's it. I don't understand how he managed to get this narrative of being a pass first player, but Jordan and Kobe were labeled shot chuckers and selfish players.
LeBron takes more shots per game than Kobe and only averaged one more assist per game than Jordan!! And these guys played their best years in a team-oriented offense which was specifically designed for great passing post players (bigs).
@@atlien1988 Kobe never had a fg% past 50% lebron took more shots but he also made more and was way more efficient 😭😭 averged 1 more assist then Jordan all time but lebrons most assist in a season is 10.2 and Jordan’s is 7.9 not to mention levron is 4th all time in assist and has an assist title to his name if you really think lebron isn’t a better assister then Jordan it just goes to show how blinded you are by hate 😭😭😭you say all he does is rush the rim but if it was so easy to stop he wouldn’t be the all time leading scorer and have 4 chips and 4 MVPs you’re just a casual
lechock can't win without superteams and team hopping. not even top 5 all time. dodged every rebuildings with team hopping and still lost that many finals. lechock is overrated. most turnovers all time and doesn't even play ball defense. also, how do you get swept while turning ball over every last positions 4 games straight and gets blocked by 6' guard lmfaooooo
Aww poor lebron James , I recall Carmelo Anthony and a plethora of other players going throu the same shit and nobody cried about getting help or needing help
Forgot to mention that stan van gundy gameplanned to let lebron score rather than be a playmaker
Those 8 assists say otherwise but whatsver agenda works ig
Also during that series vs Boston in 2010 he supposedly found out about his mom and Delonte. Idk how true that is but it's said that it may have been a reason for the drop off in his final 3 games. But even without that the organization did a terrible job getting him help
Great video bro
So u left out how awful he played vs spurs,pistons and celtics!!best player in 2009??kobe was best player and beat the teams lebron couldnt and played great vs spurs in 2008 shooting 53% while lebron shot 35% just 10 months earlier!!
Not a valid excuse to not perform well if you call yourself the the "GOAT".
- NBA legends: "It takes time and dedication to your team to make them champions". Jordan, Bird, Olajuwon, Robinson, Wallace: "Amen to that".
- James: "Wah, I wanna win NOW! I'm the bestest evar and should always win. Not 1, not 2, not 3, not 4, not 5, not 6, not 7 rings would be enough and I also want to have the best players with me as I donät want to play against anyone who can beat me".
- NBA legends: "What a ......?, what kind of a over-grown cry-baby are you?". That is not how things work brat! You have to work for it, develop with your team and eventually earn it.
- James: Naha, I will get angry and scream if I don't get what I want".
Bird literally won in his second year with a team with 3 hall of fame players but ok
If your organizations best efforts in helping you win a chip for the franchise is an old injury prone Shaq and you stayed? You’re wasting time and he didn’t have the best players
He joined a 45-37 team with the second sg and a power forward from the raptors that got bitched in the playoffs twice
Everything after that was organizational
AD and Westbrook wanted to play with Bron in LA but it’s easy to blame Bron isn’t it
@@enoknivlac4148 - Well his stint with the Cavs worked well, but he had no faith in his tea, Same with Heath, despite winning 2 ritles he was not pleased. Then when Cavs draft some good ones he comes back, win a title then leaves AGAIN. "I take my tallent where I can always win". Lakers the same.
When he wins he is the best! When he looses he ALWAYS whines and have an excuse. He gets touched slightlu and he flops like cheap piece of paper and cry....James is the biggest diva of NBA history.
Seems a tad over-dramatic.
@@railenherman6482 But still points out the error.
See, the spurs led by Tim Duncan showed Lebron. The ultimate respect by sending 5 guys at LBJ, Listen to tim duncan's comments they dared his teammates to be great San Antonio already knew Lebron James was great. And of course, his teammates failed. Championships are won by teams. Particularly role players. You already know what the superstar is going to do .
If he didn’t flop so much I would have more respect for him
If your mother didn’t flop so much the Ho wouldn’t have passed
How is It his fault tho if he didn't he would win as much but if does u lose respect? The choice you have given him is not do everything he can to win or flop either way you won't respect him.
He doesn’t even flop anymore but ight 💀
Literally EVERY STAR ever has flopped at some point💀 you telling me grown ass men are hating on this man’s legacy for FLOPPING!?? Shit is childish
@@shaiproductions2 is clear you don’t watch basketball 💀
Another great video
First things first, LeBron choked away the 2007 Finals after having a very weak Eastern conference to go thru. Can't claim LeBron had no help when it was him taking 23 shots a game to average 22ppg is horrendous. 35% FG, 20% from 3p, more turnovers than any player on either team.
He literally just showed you how he carried the team to the finals he had no help that’s a fact you’re just blind the finals is a different thing he had to take 23 shots because nobody else could they was all ass
Larry Hughes his supposed 2nd best player on his team averaged 1 POINT on 10% shooting bro. The only players that played decent was Gooden at a tremendous 13 points and Gibson at a shocking 11 points. Even Ilgausaks their frikin center averaged 8 points on 35% shooting.
@@Gabriel-sh3ms not true friend, in game 1 LeBron went 4-16 for 25% FG and got out scored by 4 different players that game
@@MichaelJordanJeffreywhat did he say that wasn’t true? You discrediting a 22 year old not performing against one of the best defenses of all time.
@Gabriel-sh3ms Funny how you mention this without also mentioning how Ilgaskus did his job defensively, by averaging the most rebounds of any Cavs player (was only 2nd to Duncan in the series), including having an 18 rebound game in game 3; and holding Tim Duncan to 18 points on 44 fg%; which is why Tony Parker won Finals MVP.
LeBron just didn't do his part, as he shot 35% fg, and didn't do any proper perimiter defense to stop Parker.
Iverson was in the same situation as LeBron first stint on cavs just that Iverson played longer years on the struggling SIXERS & Bron went to make a Superteam so stop the A.I. disrespect 👀👀
A 30 minute video about why lebron didn’t win? Mj gets killed for how he didn’t win in the 80’s. Look at those teams.
aint nobody kill mj for losing in the 80s wtf.
@@Gabriel-sh3ms people bring up his playoff history before he got pippen all the time
@@Gabriel-sh3ms you literally tried to claim Jordan choked when he averaged 29ppg against the pistons in 88', you are a huge hypocrite and a liar
Carlos Boozer was supposed to resign with the Cavs. He reneged on that agreement, which was technically against the CBA. Boozer actually came out years later and said he needed to take the Utah deal, or the Cavs would've been hit with tampering. Therefore, he was obviously lying about there not being an understanding on resigning with the Cavs. I don't blame him for taking the bag though. He was a 2nd round pick, and he had to secure those funds by any means necessary!
Also, I've been telling people this for years -- LeBron's problem is that he plays too much on the ball. Like Westbrook, Harden, & Luka, that heliocentric offense WILL NOT consistently win. Yeah, you can win regular season games, but it won't work in the postseason. Wilt Chamberlain couldn't do it, Big O couldn't do it, and Jordan couldn't do it. What makes these guys think they can break that mold? Their teammates are often relegated to being spot up shooters.
Look at how Hedo's performance in the 2009 ECF was phrased for example compared to Mo Williams. They both shot like crap from the field, but for Turk, you made sure to point out that he was great from behind the arc, meanwhile completely ignoring that Mo was nearly as efficient from deep at 38%. 41% of his shots were threes (by comparison 28% of Hedo's shots where threes). Mo wasn't an elite playmaker, but like all PGs who play with LeBron, they become the de facto SGs (or combo) guards of their teams because he has to play on the ball so much.
Fact of the matter is that LeBron was a better point guard than Mo Williams was. You couldn't run the offense through anyone else on that Cavaliers team. The Magic had that luxury because they were just deeper.
Your spot on
Terrible take. As if more Mo Williams Pick n rolls or Varejao post ups was the answer is hilarious. The funny thing is that LeBron’s teams offenses always improve in the playoffs compared to the regular season so this narrative isn’t even factual. Try again
..if lebron didn't have the ball the cavs offense couldn't do anything
The way the NBA was in his first stint, give him a legit Pippen and a shooter and he def could’ve got 2-3 rings.
Very good video. I honestly think Lebron in his first stint in Cleveland was his best. Win or loss he was playing like MJ, taking matter in his own hands. IMO this was his peak. Had they gotten Stoudmire and restore confidence in the front office he might not have left Cleveland and we be seeing a very difference legacy. Despite winning 4 titles and 1 very impressive one for Cleveland later on, I definitely think it could have been better. It was unfortunate that the front office failed him, they tried, but they failed him.
Idk his 2nd stint in Cleveland was pretty amazing
@@IVANOOZE69 result wise yes but he wasnt as explosive or spectacular anymore. Just like MJ, his late 80 and early 90s years will forever be superior due to his physical peak despite the 2nd 3peat generated better results (72 win season in particular). LeBron at the same time started the flopping and not playing defense routine, overall he just wasn't as good.
I wonder where he would be if he had REAL help like Dennis Rodman, Robert horry, latrell spreewell?
@@rodf6584 would have been great no doubt
I agree the front office failed Lebron miserably but Lebron was absolutely better in Miami
Why do you young people fall for this Lebron horse & pony show? The Cavs didn’t lose because of the “front office”. The Cavs lost because the Lebron James style of offense only works to make one guy look good. It’s been proven that that style loses when it goes up against a competent team that works as a unit. Lebron has never been good enough to beat these teams. Face it. He’s just not good enough. PERIOD!!!!
Larry Bird went to college drafted age 22/23 won chip 2nd season in the league at 24 yrs old
FOH
With this Young Lebron bs being greater than everyone else 😂😂
Facts, even Duncan won early. Literally his 2nd year
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LeBron is a grest player but his fatal flaw is he can't play off ball and he HAS to play in the LeBron James System
Those reason along.with him constantly shooting 35% from outside of.5 ft from the basket makes him a liability to his team (when he needs them to step up)... the LJS is not a free flowing.one so the team ends up standing around all game waiting on lebron verses a ststem where ppl are.constantly moving and getting to.thier spots... i do wish lebron could have stayed in Miami and let those guys finish developing him or lebron would have switched to Just being a PG an allowing someone else to be the scoring focus... he could have wentn7-3 and this goat convo would have been behind us
They would’ve won in 07 if he played better I believe that’s a fact and it would’ve been an amazing upset
Bro he can't beat the best dynasty ever by himself
@@logandegras5886stop the excuses. LeBron was going 0-7 for entire first half and getting out scored by 4 different players. He shot 35% FG, 20% from 3p, and had more turnovers than anybody on either team
@@hakeemolajuwon4352 don't get me wrong he played bad but you can't expect him to win
The issue with that statement is the fact that he didn't play better because he was the guy they had to worry about.
@@reillyhopf6508 that's not true at all. The Spurs backed off LeBron and forced him to shoot and wouldn't allow them to get fast breaks. Real basic defense to defend a very limited scorer. LeBron was kicking the ball off his foot on fast breaks, throwing cross court passes that ricocheted off the side of the rim. LeBron was terrible in those Finals and didn't give his team a chance to win. Don't forget LeBron was also staying in the whole 4th quarter down by 25 points just so he could eventually average 22ppg on 35% FG! Go look at how good the Cavs played in game 1 and how LeBron stalled their offense and coughed up leads with his bricks and turnovers
you should do this same type of video with the bulls until he won in 91
2 of the greatest players oat
Why you say that
Curry legit has a better career and LeBron could have had a similar one is he toughed it out Curry has a horrible start and almost was out of the league from constant injuries. Stuck with his team and fight for his core to stay together.
Kobe after shaq had to suffer through injuries and a horrible rebuild that took years before he could return to contention.
The thing that makes it hard to feel bad for him is that he could have stayed on the heat and won more but chose to leave and he could have stayed in Cleveland the second time with kyrie and love. The reason he didn't have a consistent core and staff is because he hopped. Choices that he made
hey built team around him and got back to back 65+ win teams. lechock just can't win without superteams like prime kyrie/prime love and prime wade/prime bosh all on same teams. lmfao then he need bubble with prime ad. 0 ring without superteams hahahaha now fans has to make excuses when team was built around him. this is why lechock fans are the worst.
This video sounded like a bunch of excuses. That version of Shaq & Ben Wallace was better than Cartwright & will Perdue. So stop, he just didn’t know how to lead a team to the championship. He was taught that in Miami
Did you watch the games at all? Or are you just talking.
@@theBlackBearrrr definitely! Watched MJ & Bron
I just want to add it’s crazy to know LeBron has not won an MVP award since what, 2013!?!? Wtf
He hasn’t lead a 60-win team since 2013. 3 out of the 4 years he won mvp, he lead a 60-win team & was also 1st team All-DEF. He hasn’t done either since 2013. Probably a big reason why he hasn’t won it. 2020 was the only debatable year since considering Milwaukee & LA were jockeying for best record in the league.
It takes help to win team sports, Jordan needed help,Kobe needed help, Magic needed help, Kareem needed help,
Yeah but they didn't need hand-picked Super teams like LeFlop
Surprised you never even spoke on not having a "good" winning coach all those years either... Mike brown was a "yes man" before GSW
Kobe was the best player in the world at this time sorry had to say it since clearly you won’t
Melo came in just as strong but in a better West
No one with any real intelligence and discernment hold that Spurs finals or even LeBron first stint in Cleveland against him. In fact, he could’ve still been the goat. It’s what proceed after that put him out of contention. Because he wasn’t the only top 12 player to lose in the finals. Him at his apex in 2011, 2014, 2015, 2017 is what made him not the goat. He played with so players that at one point or another were literally considered franchise players - #1 guys. Countless great role players, 3 point shooters, 3 & D players, athletic players. And didn’t amount to much.
2011, he choked but also say he was trying to fit in with two superstars as he never played with one before. 2014, regressed bosh and wade. 2015, kyrie and love were injured. 2017, he lost to a 2016 warriors with an MVP caliber player. Like idk what you want him to do.
@@donaldf9055Exactly, you need to have context
@@johnnyblingg niggas just don't give bron context to argue him out of the goat case which is fine ig if you wanna be ignorant after all winning is all that matters.
@@donaldf9055 What people don't realize about 2011 is that it was the first time in LeBron's life he had to play as the 2nd offensive option. Most of the offense still ran through Wade. Summer came and they said fuck that shit lol you need to be the number one definitive option going forward.
@@donaldf9055 Let's add even more context. 2014, Bosh and Wade regressed but the Spurs core were even older and put up similar numbers. 2017, stack up the 4 best Warriors players' stats to the 4 best Cavs players' stats and the numbers are similar. The takeaway for me is that the Spurs and Warriors systems were just simply better systems and that team-oriented systems win more often than not. Plus, building through the draft gives franchises more money to deepen the bench in free agency. LeBron's handselected superteams created through free agency or trades were so top-heavy that the budget to add depth was limited. The Warriors' depth deteriorated in the years after KD joined because his salary took up so much of the budget.
That’s not what expounding means
Truth is he choked in the finals avg 22 ppg on 34% fg and 22% 3Pt while his teammates kept the score close with the spurs barely winning by a 4 point margin
Agreed, he was horrid in that finals, I get him not winning but him performing that terribly in genuinely close games was really bad. His team even had the lead at points as well in the last two games decided by 4 points combined. The only game that was a blowout was game 2.
You know nothing. Spurs were literally trapping him all series long anytime he set foot inside the 3pt line. All 5 players at all times were always focusing in on LeBron. One of the greatest Defensive teams of all time too with Bruce Bowen. Nothing about "Choking" here Moron. Spurs did not care if anyone else scored outside of Bron. Yall Bron haters are casuals
He had six turnovers a game too
@@daonlygoat facts, you spoke nothing but facts
@@daonlygoathow much assists? Also how was he defensively?