Was The Eastern Conference TOO WEAK or Was LeBron James TOO DOMINANT?
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Just a question what critics where saying that MJ should have went to more finals !?
Also as a Lebron fan I can’t really say that he was too dominant or that the east was too weak, I think it is a mixture of both, Lebron james in my opinion if you put him on a team in the west like the Grizzlies or the trailblazers do you think Lebron still would have gotten to the finals I say yes but what is ur opinion.
@@venkataavula6098 what year tho
Some people say that LeBron went to more Finals than MJ, and what about the years he didn’t get there, especially his 1-9 phase before Pippen
Yung Mustard agreed but that did not answer my question say if you put him in a team with a stat and good role players would he get to the finals in ur opinion throughout the 2000s
@@YungMustard there's a reason why lebron played 40 win teams and that's because he was always the 1st seed playing the 8ht seed
Nah, the east has always been strong, a team from the eastern conference has rrached the NBA finals EVERY YEAR
They had us in the first half
Your Dumb
underrated comment 😂
Facts!!🗣🔥🔥
That’s very accurate
While the east was weak, lebron was just so high above everyone at the time (especially in the east) that no one could really do anything about him. So I say it was both
Yea
Nah he just had the most stacked team in the conference
@@indmslikedeez8005 He made his team stacked by himself being. He could've stayed on the Cavs and he still would've made the finals every year as long as Chris Paul with the Cavs in 2012 (Which he likely would've, LeBron and CP3 are really close). He didn't need all stars. He just needed one. In 2018 the Cavs were horrible and he carried a bigger load than anybody in NBA history - he even had 49% of the Cavs win shares
In DMS Like Deez his first 7 years too? Check ya facts
@@indmslikedeez8005 you do realize that he had a bad team for most of his career, right? He only had "a stacked team" for 4 years, and a competitive team for 4 additional years. He's been playing for 17 years! 9 years with shitty teams would ruin any other player's career. Look at Kemba, a great player on a sucky team for his whole career so far, and only now is he getting any recognition...when he leaves the sucky team.
That's cuz he was an 8th seed for the 1st 4 to 5 years of his career
i was going to say that. like duh jordan gonna go against harder teams when hes a lower seed while lebron going against weaker teams cuz hes a higher seed. thats just common sense.
In 2013 the Mavericks took the spurs to 7 games in the first round. The suns missed playoffs with 50 wins .
Jordan was low seed for only first 3 years. After that he finished no worse than 3rd every year but 1, which was a sixth seed.
@@H2O_Malone yes, but people still choose to use the 1-9 without Scottie argument. Double standards i guess.
Moonshine yea because Scottie was a non factor until his 3rd season
The weak East was indeed LeBron's fault. Or it was a consequence of his decision. See, when he left to join another superstar (D Wade), he robbed his former team of its best player (himself) and increased the talent of his new team (Miami). Then when he recruited Chris Bosh away from Toronto, he destroyed another franchise's ability to compete while making his team even stronger.
LeBron did the same thing when he left Miami for Cleveland to team with Kyrie and recruited Kevin Love away from Minnesota.
At the start your forgetting that LeBron was always a top seed
Jacob Larson Lebron didnt even make the playoffs for a number of years
Christian Soldier he missed the playoffs 3 times
2011: Dominance
2012: Dominance
2013: Both
2014: Both
2015: Dominance
2016: Weak Conference
2017: Weak Conference
2018: Absolute Dominance
Fax
2011: Best team in Eastern Conference
2012: Best team in Eastern Conference
2013: Best team in Eastern Conference
2014: Best team in Eastern Conference
2015: Best team in Eastern Conference
2016: Best team in Eastern Conference
2017: Best team in Eastern Conference
2018: Absolute Dominance
There i fixed it for u ;)
Ben Simmons will never hit a 3 haha. Nice.
@@bensimmonswillneverhita3317 In 2015 Bulls were actually the best team.
@@niweshlekhak9646 and in 2011
If Lebron makes it out the west what becomes the narrative
Exactly.
@@sef.aureus then people will say lebron's teams were a stacked superteam. like I bet people are gonna see demarcus cousins, rajon rondo, dwight howard, danny green and avery bradley and say that they were still in their primes, still all star caliber and that's why the lakers were so good
Don't worry. They won't.
Corey Humphrey Ummm.... what did you say last year when he couldnt even make the playoffs? Lebron only gets to the Finals when he has the best team in his conference
@@knicks8099 Ummm.... Yeah lol
I mean the first round teams are obviously gonna be bad when he leads his team to the 1 or 2 seed just saying
Thats exactly what i was thinking people tearing down lebron for having better teams with high seeds so ofc he goona play a shit team in the first round whatvwhat every top seed deserves and that should in his accomplishments
Exactly
Exactly lmao
This is true, but people should consider that there are lesser good teams in the east.
In the regular season, a team will play 4x against 10 teams with in the same conference and 3x to the other 4 teams and will only play twice on the other conference. Now if theres only few teams that are good in a conference, say 4 teams, it will be easier for them to reach the top 4 spot and will then be match with a much weaker team on 1st round of playoffs. On 2007, on the east confernce, only two teams had 50+ wins, cavs and pistons. Most of the time there are only 3 teams with 50 wins up. While in the west confernce, there are atleast 4 and up teams with 50 wins. On 2008, all 8 teams has 50 plus wins. This just show how weak the east is. Weaker confernce means, easier to be at higher seed.
Lebron is great though, only few all stars will be able to dominate on those circumstances especially him being alone to carry the cavs team.
He already pointed out that in the West there were years where you needed 50 wins to even make the playoffs. Look up 2008 and 2010. 50 wins is considered a great team....in a great conference.
If we gotta be honest lebron was a dominant player in the east even his conference was weak with bad compettion
man was I laughing at the 2:30 minute mark... you wanna no why jordan played 50 win teams in his first 3 playoffs? it's because he made those 3 playoffs on sub .500 teams.... jordan only played better teams in the first round because he had worse records, when you win a lot of games you play teams that didn't in the first round, when you don't, you play more competitive series, that's the whole reason you play a regular season.
85 miwalkee, bulls were 38-44 (38 and in the playoffs, damn that was a great eastern conference...)
86 celtics, bulls were 30-52 (forget what I said before, 30 wins, and in the playoffs? goat eastern conference)
87 celtics, bulls were 40-42 (again, the east was so good this man made 3 playoffs in a row on a losing record)
same for kobe in some of his seasons, because he didn't win as much in the regular season, he had to face higher seeds.. there are of course exceptions such as ok and denver
06 suns, lakers were 7th with 45 wins
07 suns, lakers were 7th with 42 wins
13 spurs, lakers were 7th with 45 wins
It's not a fair comparison to penalize Lebron for winning in the regular season, I agree that that kobe's time in western conference was likely the toughest conference ever, I only disagree with the argument in this case...
at 6:20, it happens, in 2016 the 8th, 7th and 6th seed in the western conference wouldn't have made it in the east, and again I would bring back jordans east where loosing teams made the playoff almost every single year, from 85-96 there were 14 below .500 teams, was jordans east bad? thats how the argument sounds.
and the closing argument you made, lebron beat plenty of high winning teams, probably just as good as the knicks, magic and pacers, he played the 62 win bulls, the 2010-11/11-12/17-18 celtics, 11-12 pacers, 15-16 raptors, 60 win hawks, etc..., and beat them, funny, if lebron beats those teams by a lot "the east is not competitive", if he squeezes by "he is washed, those teams were so bad, thats the only reason he made the finals" there are quite a few teams we don't look at as "all time teams" ONLY because lebron beat them, that is the double standard, if jordan beats a 50 win team easily "he is just that good" if lebron does it "the team was trash".
And it's not the argument that I disagree with, Lebron had a pretty laid back eastern conference to go through, not trash, but not great, it was a regular conference, nothing special either way, but the blatent double standards are amazing...
Some moron will call you a "Bronsexual," but you are spitting facts. Yung Mustard seems a tad *bit* biased against Lebron so he didn't mention any of this. You can probably measure a conference better by adding up all the total wins and compare to the western conference of that year, or compare to an eastern conference of a different era. But you'd also need to look at which conference won the championship that year, and other calculations.
I'd like someone to make a real deep dive into this a bit further
Facts
Michael Jordan only played 18 games in 1986. The Bulls were 9-9 with him, 21-43 without. They would've won in the low 40s if Jordan was healthy. Don't get it twisted, the 80s East may have been very top-heavy, but filled with great teams. Same can be said for the 2016 western conference.
The 2011 Bulls were a 1 man team, and were overachievers. They only won 62 games because of their defense, and Derrick Rose's stellar season. The Celtics were washed by 2012, and were not expected to make the ECF. Pierce, Garnett, and Allen were all over 35 while LBJ was in his peak, and Wade was still at the end of his prime. Pacers in 2012 were alright. Great defensively but you're out of your mind if you think they were on the same level as the teams Jordan faced. The 1997 heat were better than any eastern conference team LBJ faced in his championship-winning seasons yet you never hear about that team. 2016 Raptors' best players were a mentally fragile Demar Derozan who couldn't shoot, and Kyle Lowry who was known for being a perennial playoff choker back in 2016. The 18 Celtics, is that a joke? Their best postseason player was a Rookie Tatum. Most people did not even see them beating the Bucks in the 1st round. The 2015 Hawks were just a regular season team and everyone knew it. None of those teams were as good as the '93 Knicks, 96 Magic, '97 Heat, and probably the '98 Pacers, although I think the Big 3 Celtics would have a great chance to beat some of those teams. That's the only team I see not getting blown out against Jordan's best eastern conference opponents, because of their basketball IQ and experience.
In response to your last sentences, most of the 50 win teams Jordan played were better than the 50+ win teams LeBron played, which is why that "double standard" exists
Not reading a long paragraph but that 1st part. He talk about Jordan playing so much comp in the 1st round but if you’re an 8th seed you’re gone be playing 1 of the best teams in the league🤣. Lebron didn’t have that 1st round comp because he did what he had to in the regular season to secure a high seed so I think that should be a knock against Jordan instead of praising him. Like why get mad at Lebron for not playing comp in the 1st round? He earned that. That’s the reward for going hard all season.
Besides, now Lebron in the Western Conference, proving people wrong and he’s not even in his prime anymore. Also folks act like you just dump those 00 Cavs teams in the west. If Lebron was in the West, he’d have better teammates. He’d still be pretty dominant
i mean it’s not really lebrons fault idk why people use it to bash him
It's not bashing - its context.
Coz people are overrating him for those consecutive finals apperance
The East was weak AF no doubt. But at the end of the day he played on superteams for like 7 straight years. He completely stacked the deck & other teams had no chance. The guy played with multiple all stars for several years against inferior competition. Nobody even stood a chance with how loaded his teams were. He should’ve made the Finals every year it’s not even that impressive
You are right, but I wouldn’t say super teams, more like very good or great teams...
Oliver Morales The Miami teams were stacked. And the Cavs were pretty good up until that last year when they traded Kyrie.
He had the best team almost every year
@@the_auditor1017 he had the best team in the east but the whole league nope the heat just added lebron , bosh ,a and allen thats all after allen there wernet really that good the cavs were alright
In the 90s, the real finals was the eastern conference finals.
In the 2010s, the western conference finals was the real finals, especially in 2018
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@Dominic dominic
Lebron only beat one 50-win team in the Playoffs during his time in Cleveland from 2003 to 2010, and that against the 2007 Pistons with no 4x DPOY Ben Wallace.
*2007 Cavs faced one team above .500 in East.*
Even in Miami, his East competition was very weak.
*In 2013, For example he beat 0 ( ZERO ), 50-win teamms before making Finals.*
Lebron feasted in the weak East.
@@lVloney no cap
@@allanhouston6759 Huhhhh ? ? ? ?
*2007 detroit Pistons roster: chris webber tayshaun prince chauncey billups rip hamilton rasheed wallace*
go watch soccer, basketball is not for you
@@dynamic6645 Prime LeFlop vs Old Chris Webber and old Rasheed Wallace ? ? AHAHAHA
Lebron fans are desperate.LeExcuses feasted in the weak East.
But he was quickly exposed. vs Spurs.
Does this guy not know how the playoff format works? The lowest seeds verse the highest seeds in the first round. So when you see Jordan versing all these 50 win teams in the first round, it’s because he was one of the lower seeds making it to the playoffs with like 38 wins (literally one year he made the playoffs with a 38- 54 record). Meanwhile LeBron was the one winning 50 games so it makes sense he’d verse the teams that don’t win 50 wins in the first round.
Someone had to say it!
Nice work Yung Mustard 👌🏻
Are we now bashing LeBron for beating teams he should be beating or am I hearing this incorrectly?
Yes, Because People Bash Jordan for the same and honestly its stupid
Yeah, we are apparently. Unless you are 4-5 the first round has rarely any upset. It should not be used to assess the difficulty of the path.
Why not looking at semi and conference finals, you will note that MJ rarely upsetted any team and beat all teams he was supposed to beat. The Bulls were the Goliath of the 90s and in the 80s.
Lebron has Dallas - a big upset, and since then has maybe one of the best game of history.
I remember a 6th seed winning, was the west weak??
@@bravobessa3684 bulls werent good in the 80s they had many issues and supporting cast underperforming in the playoffs like in 1989 and 1990. Mj haters dont talk about that
@@tj5180 you are right. I was mainly talking about the end of the 80s. But let's be honest, at no point the bulls beat a team they were not supposed to beat.
Cast underperformed does not mean he would have won. Because many great players had bad team.
@@bravobessa3684 that's true but my point was when MJ haters claim that he was carried by pippen when after he was drafted. He wasnt a star only a rookie coming from the bench. Jordan was carrying the bulls to the ecf in two seasons straight against a tough east. He was close to winning in 1990 but his teamates underperformed but later beat them in 1991
2:03-2:52
The reason Jordan played better teams in the first round from 1985-1989 is because his teams were usually lower seeds. Meanwhile, LeBron was helping his teams have seasons with a winning percentage of at least 60% when making the playoffs in his early Cavalier days despite the supporting cast.
And before anyone says "the East was weak in the 2000s," the East was arguably worse in the 80s considering more teams below .500 made the playoffs from 1985-89 than from 2006-09
that first rd statline comparing mjs first rd to lebrons is so mf mis leading, ofc your gonna face better 1st rd competition if you have the lower seeds, and mj in 85 and 86 had terrible records, Iin 95, jordan had returned from baseball, so their record was suspect too, this argument is soooooo dumb, giving credit for having a bad record,
Your comment is very misinformed
The west back then was stacked with lot of 50 win teams while in the 2000s the east was not good their were teams like the Celtics in 08 the 04 pistons roster was last time good in 2006 but in 07 they became even weaker with their roster while bulls were still uprising team while magic with Howard couldn’t beat the lakers
man this was 11 minutes of "the eastern conference has been weak for a long time," like it's news
The east top teams during the LeBron era have normally been trash. Name multiple 60 win teams LeBron played in the East. I will wait
People say that the East was weak? The big 3 Celtics with 3 Hofers. The PG Pacers, The Billups Pistons, and the Dwight Howard Magic, The D Rose Bulls....
LeBron fans love to point out how MJ played against plumber's but like to forget how LeBron himself was dominating weak competition in the east
Tell em
And MJ fans always say today’s NBA is soft and they play no defense. And MJ fans love to say Wilt Bill Russell era was plumbers and unathletic white guys.
@@Mckylan not me bronsexual. Get a girl bro and stop riding lebron.
Many LeBron fans don't what context means nor do they use it in their talking points. Hence, that whole stupid 1-9 thing they love to bring up.
To be fair (we are dealing with uknowns here), if Lebron did go out West he would very likely be joining a current 50+ win team. Thought his 2009 or 2010 Cavs teams were good winning 60+ games, just imagine if Lebron joined a team like Portland or New Orleans those years.
East conference was very weak. The east has only been strong for short periods at a time since MJ retired. Lebron is a beast but you can not deny he benefited allot from being in a weak conference.
I think both lebron was a dominant player and you can can go back and just watch some of his playoffs highlights but on the other hand yes the east was weak as well because there was some teams that were good but they were never an actual threat to him.
Smh it’s always this type of video
I never heard or see ppl talk about magic And Kareem playing in the weak western conference in the 80s or wilt and Bill Russell playing in a weak era in that 60s but it’s always had to be lebron it’s ok tho haters gonna hate tbh
Shutup
The East was weak and Lebron is still great - both things can be true at the same time
which i explained at the end, but some of these bronsexuals don’t care
MJ = GOAT, LeBrick = goat cheese.
Kobe had to face the hardest teams, the Eastern conference in Jordan area was not that good people try to make it, he was facing expansion teams, the teams he faced in the East had most of the time one all star with good role players... Reggie Miller and..... Rik Smits.
What about Alonzo Mourning, Tim Hardaway, and Dan Majerle... 3 all-stars. The '97 Heat were better than the 98 pacers, they won 61 games. And the Orlando Magic in 1996 had Shaq in his athletic peak, and a peak Penny Hardaway... They got swept. the Cavs in the early 90s had Mark Price (one of the best shooters ever), Brad Daugherty, and Larry Nance. And in the late 80s when Jordan hit that shot, they had Ron Harper in his prime
Too weak, teams that start to rise and contend like the bulls and pacers always fall due to injuries.
No the Pacers pretty were multiple things: and Roy Hibbert fell off like crazy, Paul George injury, Lance Stephenson signed elsewhere and was never the same, and David West signed with the Spurs, but he was already out of his prime.
Elijah Ruderman yeah i know they had lots of problems but there was no way im listing all of that
The playoffs is all bout match up so what determines wether the competition is pour or not is how many games the series when not regular season records
Very weak while at the same time Lebron was great. But mustard what I don't understand is Magic and Kareem played in far weaker conferences than Lebron yet people don't keep the same energy.
No. It's still better than lebron's
@@kingdinodragonite3470No they weren’t Magic lost to a team wit 30 wins
You gonna talk about MJ making the playoffs with 30 wins twice or no?
there are 11 teams in the conference back then dumbass. Now there are 15. So realistically, you should look at the 6th seed. Not the 8th seed. Stupid bronsexual. Keep riding lebron you gay ass bitch.
Even tho Lebron was playing weak competition in the first round it's because of the regular season wins that Lebron gets each season that leads up to him playing weak competition in the first round. That why Jordan in mid-80's had to go up against a 60-win Celtics team in the first round (there was even a time where a Jordan-led bulls team made the playoffs at a record of 30-52!!)
Besides, the competition that you talked about Lebron playing was only about the first round opponents and not the 2nd or 3rd round.
For example, at 6:01 you mentioned the 76ers being 500 win percentage but don't mention that he had to play the 56-win superteam celtics and also didn't mention 62-win bulls led the mvp (Derrick Rose.)
Also, you questioned at 9:13 if there were any teams Lebron played in the east that were better than pistons, knicks, magic, and pacers.
I will say there isn't a team in the east that Lebron played that is better than the Bad Boy Pistons and only teams I would say that is close is the 2007 pistons and 2011 celtics.
The magic team that Jordan went against in 1995 was good team but outside of Penny and Shaq there isn't much else great about the team and I've seen about a few teams that Lebron played in the east that were better. Lebron played the 2015 hawks who won 60 games and not 1, not 2, not 3, but 4 ALL-STARS (if you don't believe me, look it up) and Lebron still managed to sweep that team without Kyrie or Kevin Love. The 2007 pistons were better than this Magic team and so were the 2011 celtics.
I feel like the all the teams I mentioned in the last paragraph were also better than the Knicks that Jordan had to go up against.
And don't get me started with you mentioning the pacers that Jordan had to go against. All the teams I already mentioned were better than this team, every team that Lebron played in the 2018 playoff were better, the bulls from 2011-2015 were better, and even the 2014 pacers were better than the Reggie Miller. Both the Paul George-led pacers and the Reggie Miller-led pacers were based off of having 1 star surrounded by some good role players. With that being said Paul George was better than Reggie Miller. The only thing Miller is better than George at is shooting and George isn't even bad at that either. George is a way better defender, a way better finisher, had way better dribbling, better physical attributes, and is just simply the better player while Reggie Miller isn't as great as you think.
Last thing, since you want to talk about "adding context" to things🙄, just note that during MJ's era there were 6 expansions teams and wasn't as many great teams in the 1990's like the 1980's. So with being said, there were a small amount of good teams in the 1990's and they were getting their record boosted off of playing horrendously bad teams in the regular season. For example, in 1998 teams like the Bulls, Jazz, Supersonics, and Lakers got 60+ wins but part of that had to do with 5 teams not even getting 20 wins.
So...yes the west during Lebron's time was better and to some extent Lebron has played some played bad comp in the east but only in the first round. It was more of Lebron being just that great than him just relying bad competition. Even tho Lebron didn't make the playoffs in games that Lebron played he had a winning record and once he became healthy again he the championship.
I can agree that Kobe played higher competition than Lebron but not MJ.
east was weak. during the last 10 years if you look back at the 8 year finals run 4 of the 5 best teams in the nba were in the west with the 5th being either the heat or the cavs in most of those seasons. now i remember the media preseason when lebron went to the lakers they told me over and over that this roster was better than the roster the cavs had in the finals in 18. if thats the case how is it that they missed the playoffs. even when he came back from injury they were 2 games out of a playoff spot. i remember he activate playoff mode then went on a losing streak.
When ppl say its not his fault for other teams having weak players and such it is his fault when you form a "big 3" in a already weak conference just so you can save your really energy for the finals. Pg was to young for the pacers to try to beat all 3 and the Celtics was too old . I said this for years yeah he got to the finals 9-10 times but his crew jumped on weaker teams in the east to get there, so of course you are going to get there that many times. While ppl like mj and kobe had to go up against REALLY teams just to even touch the finals.
The Leastern conference
Nigga made a whole clickbait video to talk MJ and Kobe and still got it wrong.
Honestly it was kinda both lol
0:58 lefts my mans hanging😿
Well now that he’s in the western conference if the nba ever comes back we can see what he can do in the playoffs
Lets get all teams healthy
He was also in the west last season and didnt make the playoffs.
mexgiova they were 4th in the West up until Christmas and then he got hirt
Ghost2000 is that still an excuse to not make the playoffs?
@Ghost2000 stop making excuses dude. It makes you sound ignorant.
Dominant? It’s super easy to be that when you’re on teams with all the best players. You team up with the best to beat the rest.
The argument about the first round doesn’t make much sense because Jordan was a basically a losing team the first few years he got to the first round. Lebron usually played bad teams because he was going against 7-8 seeds while Jordan was playing against 1-3 seeds in his first few years, like what?
Yea the first round piece was a little exaggerated. However even if you take those years away Jordan still faced more 50 win teams in playoffs then lebron in the EC over the length of this playoff career.
At best he had to face a team with one legitimate star. During his time with the east how many top 10 players did he face and beat? You should count to about 4 - and add how many times he beat Carmelo. THEN consider how many of those players were alone while he was on Miami/Cavs. He didn't beat Dwight before Miami - we can go ahead and say Celtics don't count until 2011 - they don't count after 2011 either. They turned into Rondo and company (yikes). Pacers were young PG and a good core. Roy Hibbert was okay defensively. Toronto was the the best team on paper, but their best player was a shell of himself when they played the Cavs (and it's crazy because he didn't even have to guard Lebron - and Lebron didn't guard him. Derozan just shat himself when he heard Lebrons name). During the 1st run with the Cavs he had to face no one that won anything other than stacked Celtics. Detroit was declining and lost Ben, the main player that gave Lebron issues, so he was bound to beat them eventually.
I hate to say it, but I can't think of anyone in the east that Lebron stopped from winning a chip. There was no one that had a legitimate chance that he beat.
And this is Bron's 17th year at 35 year old in the West. His got his team to the 1st spot in West and running over teams easily in the playoff right now
Cuz the West is weaker
@@Kaibeast-kv1xu um no stfu lmao. Dallas, Denver, Pelicans, Houston, Clippers, OKC, Utah all got much better.
@@khoado123 Just by last years playoffs 1. Warriors, 2. Nuggets, 3. Portland, 4. Houston, 5. Utah, 6. OKC, 7. Spurs 8. Clippers>>> This years Dallas, Pelicans getting better doesn't make it harder if they weren't in the playoffs. I agree with you on everything else except the Blazers but that doesn't mean it was more difficult. This year was so competitive that the 8th seed was a 48 win team
Fake playoffs
@@nonamewillbegiven9989 cry more lil bitch
The 1-9 argument is a counter argument whenever MJ fans say Lebron is 4-6. If it’s a team game why you discredit Bron for making it farther. Lebron might had an easier path to the finals but Jordon had it easier in the Finals
I would say it is kind of both. LeBron was levels ahead of everyone in the east which shows his dominace but it also shows that the east is weak because there is no one that close too his level. So that's kind of my reasoning to say it's a combination of both.
When it got tough LeBron quit. When was that? 2018 first time he had 2 game 7s and ran because the next season those top teams juiced up. Injured players were back.
that is completely false. he left because his team was dog shit
He left cause no one was willing to come to cleveland, thats why he made his decision so late in 2018
How would lebron face 50 win teams in the first round when he’s usually the 1-2 seed playing the 7-8th seed? A 50 win 8th seed? Nonsense.
Actually during LeBrons career in the West there were 2 50 win 8th seed teams.
50 win 8th seed? 2010 Thunder 2008 Nuggets say hello
It's not Lebron's fault, or Cleveland's/Miami's, for having a better seed in the First round. Bad argument. He/They fought to be better seeded.
Imagine Lebron join Houston and replace T-Mac during 2006-2009. The Lakers wouldve been fked.
Lebron has harder Finals opponents but MJ had a harder road to the finals.
A lot harder. And Jordan finals opponents weren’t slouches either.
East was garbage.
Ok about the 50 wins point. Maybe the reason Lebron wasn’t facing 50 win teams in the first round is because his team was always seeded very high so he played against lower ranked teams. And the reason Jordan faced 50 win teams in the first round is because his team was ranked lower
I've Never thought i'd say this, but there are way more "jordansexuals" than "bronsexual" (by the way, if you use one of this terms during an argument, your opinion is worth less than 0).
It’s like, if you defend Jordan, you’re right but if you say anything positive about Lebron you’re just a Jordan hater. Don’t make no since
@@Stinsation either you are a jordan hater or a bronsexual. Basketball community can be so damn toxic
The first year in the west he didn't make it to the play offs . This yr the west got alot of injuries so now he is up there
What about the Toronto raptors who were the number one team in the east and 3rd in the whole league at the time with all stars Kyle Lowry & Dejae Derozen with a pretty good center in Jonas and Lebron swept them and they were a 59 win team. Also the hawks thag year when they were a 60 win team and had the all stars on one team. Then you have the Bulls with MVP Derrick rose and Joakim
Noah and later on Jimmy butler. What about the New Jersey Nets with Jason Kidd Richard Jefferson and Vince Carter. The Wizards for a time, yes they weren’t an elite team but they did have one of the best trios in the league with Caron Butler, Antwan Jamison and Gilber Arenas who was a top tier player. Also with the pacers with one of the best players in the league in Paul George. Then Jayson Tatum and Jaylen brown, despite them being young players, there first year they help lead the Celtics to the eastern conference finals and took the cavs to 7 games with Kyrie being hurt and with an all star in Al Horoford. Then we know about the Celtics. Or what about two years ago when Lebron played in the west the first year he was healthy he beat Damian Lillard and Cj one of the best back courts in the league, Houston rockets with harden Westbrook and the stout 3 PT shooting team that were one of the best defensive teams as well. Then they played the nuggets who beat the Utah jazz and Celtics being down 3-0/3-1 having Jokic and Jamal Murray and the heat beat the bucks with mvp Giannis and they wind up beating them. Yes in the east, the bobcats, the nets at the time, bucks and later on the Detroit pistons were pretty bad team but how can you say the rest of the teams I just mentioned were weak given the superstars they had/elite pkayers
Also the year D rose won the mvp, becoming the youngest player ever, he and the bulls were 62-20. Lebron and the heat beat the mvp and the number one team in the east
No one's gonna read your essay
@@nonamewillbegiven9989 no one cares about you. Shutup
i thought in the first round, the best seeded playoff team in a conference faces one of the worse playoff teams in the conference
Let's go excited for this video
Expansion era? No? Not worth mentioning ? Oh okay
Why are the playoffs even split by east and west?
His Finals competition is his only competition from like 2013 to 2017. Pacers we're never going to beat Miami. Mj and Kobe played amazing teams before the finals every year. And it wasnt like those teams couldn't beat them, but they showed up and showed out.
keep up the good work dawg love your vids
The East was just horrible this decade. The best players he defeated were young Paul George, 35 year old KG, 22 year old Rose and the trash bros. The East was just really bad. There is a reason why he is 3 - 6 in the finals and 2 of his finals victories were in miracle fashion against the Spurs on 2013 and Warriors on 2016. This year is the best opportunity for Lebron to get his 4th ring because he is 35 years old and father time never loses.
Pedro Arciniega being 3-6 in the finals has nothing to do with the east. He’s still playing a west team in the finals. And 3-6 needs context bc ultimately he played two dynasties and he choked 2011 but don’t sleep on that mavs team. They were great. What’s better for Lebron to be in the west but not make the finals as much but has a better chance to beat a east team and not be 3-6 or be in the east make the finals a lot of times but play such hard competition?
High School LBJ Mavs were good but if your gonna call yourself the goat you can’t perform like that
Koh Smoger I agree but Every Star has their fails. Tragic Johnson. Kobe in 2004. Kareem before magic on the lakers. I don’t think there is a goat tbh bc there’s no definitive wya u can prove someone is the best all time in a Team sport and everyone has a different criteria and there’s objective way to look at things. Like if I said Wilt is a better scorer than Jordan that’s factual bc the statistics back it up and there’s so much to factor with different rules teams playoff format coaching schemes etc
2018 nba playoff..western conference final, GSW won 4-3 series against Rockets and they won 4-0 in nba finals against Lebron. It was better to watch the conference final than the nba final. Lebron was total dumb in that final.
Lebron was on a 7-13 run before he got hurt 2018-2019. He conveniently got hurt when they started this losing run. This is the true Lebron in a real conference.
he was on a 13-7 run, you got it opposite. And he was 4th seed.
@@niweshlekhak9646 I know what I write
You forgot Portland , and Sacramento in the west
Well the east is 1-0 since lebron left 😂
stop it warriors winnin if kd dont get hurt and you dont mention khawi went to the east
@@flexonnembixthh7679 nah u right it was satirical in the moment.
@@flexonnembixthh7679 no
jordan was 7 seed 38wins in THAT very strong east hahah
there are 11 teams in the conference back then dumbass. Now there are 15. So realistically, you should look at the 6th seed. Not the 8th seed. Stupid bronsexual
Hahahaha there are 11 teams in 1985 eastern conference. Look at the 6th seed dumbass not the 8th seed bronsexual. Dumbass get out you don't know basketball.
8 straight finals appearance should be celebrate if he won majority of those. If he didn't well he's just a glorified 2nd placer. A runner-up for the most part.
Lebron don't play 50 win teams round 1 cuz hes usually a higher seed lol
Exclude Jordan's first three years. Jordan still owns lebron facing 50 win teams in the playoffs.
The eastern conference was just too weak, there was no balance compared to today. You can also look at the cast of all stars throughout the years from the east, Antawn Jamison, Jameer Nelson, Devin Harris, Gerald Wallace, David Lee made the all star team while some more deserving players got cut out on all star selections from the west.
Also team wins, 7th seed and 8th seed in the west conference was just that good that they would place in the top 4 of the eastern conference and teams below .500 making the playoffs in the east. There are lot of evidence suggesting it is clear the east was just weak for more than a decade
Lebron had the same effect on the east as jordan did. Dominant.
But LBJ was only dominant IN THE EAST.
@@EdwardWindhowl That narrative is about to get destroyed real quick.
@@MistahUnknown Lakers just entered the WCF. No results yet. Let's not forget what LBJ achieved in LA his 1st season. Ok? The 2nd season,he has AD, a top 5 player in the league. No player have that luxury in the NBA. No hate here,just facts. Another fact is LBJ is performing like a beast right now.
@@EdwardWindhowl Results are already showing. Barring injuries unlike last year, he's already captained his western team to defeat 2 other western teams in the playoffs each in 5 game series. The narrative of "He was only dominant in the East" is about to get destroyed.
@@MistahUnknown yeah! They beat a tired Blazers and a micro-team. LA are meeting expectations which is the WCF. Let's calm down 1st and talk when they get the ring ok?
I think it’s both. The east has been weak for like the past 20 years and jus beginning to get a lil better this year. But at the same time lebron has been on some elite teams with 2+ allstars almost all years after his first run in Cleveland’s
Edit: also there were alot of times where other teams had players injured who coulda stopped him from getting to the finals so many years (I.e Derrick Rose, PG, kyrie and Hayward, IT) and pretender teams such as the hawks in 2015 and all years Toronto had wit Lowry and derozan
Bro Jordan made the playoffs 30 and 52 get real let's talk about teammates too and what team bron got drafted to and if bron had that laker team Shaquille o'neal would not have left Jordan never carried a team
there are 11 teams in the conference back then dumbass. Now there are 15. So realistically, you should look at the 6th seed. Not the 8th seed. Stupid bronsexual
Tell me how many wins does the 6th seed in 1986 easter conference? Exactly, a lot of wins
@@kingdinodragonite3470That doesn’t refute his point they still made the playoffs with 30 wins downright embarassing
The east being weak isn't Lebrons fault, but he doesn't need to get praise for beating teams under 500. You can only name one all time LeBron beat in the east. Or a few.
I actually think you’ve grown from this opinion, teams winning is based on the weak records. It’s happening this year. Miami doenst suck at all and they are 9th but their record wouldn’t get them in the playoffs
Let’s provide proper context sir, the reason why mj teams faced so many good teams in the first round was because 1 his teams weren’t good enough and not enough complementary pieces tht can aid Jordan . So it will be tough get higher seeding when ur team isn’t good enough . 2. Lebron was playing with just as bad as supporting cast and finished with higher seeding and decent record . So him and his team earned the ability to play against weaker teams or lesser teams in the 7-8 spot because of the work he put in the regular season and he was able to get enough wins in the regular season and therefore play weaker team. While mjs teams were in the bottom half of the conference and made playoffs 1 year with record 33-52 I believe . Sooo can we be fair and give credit for his ability to uplift guys and being 1 one mane show. And if the East was truly weak how come they produced 7 East championships I believe in the past 16 years .
If you take away those first three seasons where Jordan finished as 7th/8th seeds he still faced for 50+ win teams in the playoffs throughout his career than lebron has. Also on that 30-52 playoff team: if Jordan didn’t miss 64 games that year they would have had a much better record. In the games jordan played they had a .555 winning percentage which translates to 45 win and 6th seed. In that case they still would have faced a 50+ win 3rd seed sixer team.
I don't think it's the right time to make this video.
Dude is one of the favourites to win a championship in a very tough western conference with 35 years.
Tough west ? Tell me your joking. Kobes was better in 2010 and 2008 also in 2009 going against tough western conference teams who won 50 plus games. No disrespect to lebron Lakers tho.
Ok yes Jordan’s competition was much better but your overlooking the fact that Jordan’s team was the best fucking team of all time
If the east is weak why is there no one make 8th straight to the finals other than LeBron?
Cuz LeBron was on top of the weak East
Yeah MJ’s east was stacked and it’s not fair that seeding is randomly decided........
oh wait the seeds are based on regular season performance? Oh the Bulls and multiple other teams made the playoffs with losing records? There’s no way the east was top heavy as shit back then just like now right?
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@@nonamewillbegiven9989 dam I don’t even know how to respond to such a thorough debunk. Logic no longer makes sense
@@B00MR0ASt3D damn such intricate sarcasm
@@nonamewillbegiven9989 wanted to keep it basic for you you since you clearly stuck in the past on that MJ train
@@B00MR0ASt3D awww someone sounds bitter that the old school remains superior
Tbh, the East was top heavy, and he was always around the top, so he had to face the weak 7th or 8th seeds of the East. He would've still been dominant in the West, tho not as much as he was in the East.
2018 was pure dominance and you can’t argue
overated imo nigga went 7 games wit a kyrie less celtics ofc your stats goin be like dat if you playing all dem games
A little Column A, a little column B
I mean his team is first in the west now
East is definitely weaker than west. 10 wins west vs 5 wins east from 2003 to 2017 during all star.. Thats why they change the format of all star game. West super stars are much better than east super stars. People will say that players dont take all star game seiously but still the argument is both team are not taking it seriously but west still dominated it. 2- 1 ratio. Also there are more better teams in west than the east until now. In the regular season, a team will play 4x against 10 teams with in the same conference and 3x to the other 4 teams and will only play twice on the other conference. Now if theres only few teams that are good in a conference, say 4 teams, it will be easier for them to reach the top 4 spot and will then be match with a much weaker team on 1st round of playoffs. On 2007, on the east confernce, only two teams had 50+ wins, cavs and pistons. Most of the time there are only 3 teams with 50 wins up. While in the west confernce, there are atleast 4 and up teams with 50 wins. On 2008, all 8 teams has 50 plus wins. This just show how weak the east is. Weaker confernce means, easier to be at higher seed.
Lebron is a great player though. Not every susper stars can dominate the east like he did. Only few will be able to do that. A prime Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, and Jordan will be able to do so imo.
sooooooo... we should get rid of conferences ?
Man I thought a video about this would be out already considering how much ESPN brings up the weak east lol , good going YM
To the people complaining about the first part with first round talk what about the rest of the video
Weak
From 99-00 to now the east only has a single winning season against the west..
Before I watch the video I just wanna state a fact. In the last decade an eastern team has won the championship 40% of the time while a western team has won 60% of the time. This is with one of the most overpowered teams of all time screwing the numbers.
You mean 30% not 40
And my counter argument to this is always what if any team...I mean any team from the west drafted him back in 03'. Memphis with Gasol and battier , Phoenix with marion and Stoudemire , Minnesota with Garnett...any team in the West draft him and it's a bulls like dynasty. He just so happened to get drafted by the worse ran franchise ever and turned them into a powerhouse still before he left.
Oh boy, 2:14 that argument is moot. Brons teams were either 1st or 2nd in the east.. those seeds play the 7th or 8th seeds OF COURSE their records are gonna look bad… 🤦🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️
Before this season I'd say the eastern conference is too weak, however if he makes the finals this years I'd believe he's too dominant
I hate this video cos Bron was either the first or second seed most times so he's likely to face terrible teams
Exclude Jordan's losing years. Jordan still owns lebron facing 50 win teams in the playoffs