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Strange Double Bass Foot Technique explained!
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- Опубликовано: 17 фев 2013
- This is a tutorial about the double bass technique I´m using. Enjoy!
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In this video I do not use triggers, its all just the sound from the camera microphone.
I use a Pearl Demon Drive double pedal.
My pedal settings:
- spring tension is on maximum
- footboard is on the longboard position
- direct drive adjustment is on position "H" (heavy feel)
- beater holder is on position "B" (power)
- footboard angle adjustment is a little bit lower than the initial setting (about 1mm on the gauge)
- beater angle is on initial setting
- distance between beater holder and center of the beater head is about 13.5cm
- I use Sonor beaters and with all this settings the distance between beater and drumhead is about 13cm
If the Demon Drive is not your first pedal I would highly recommand to put the settings as close as possible to how your old pedal was set up. If the Demon Drive IS your first pedal I would recommand to start with lower spring tension and greater distance between beater and head.
I hope I didnt miss something!
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Wanja, I'm using my pedals against my bed but they start moving elsewhere what should I use as a pedal surface?
@@Loitsu Be creative - if a normal bass drum pad is too loud, maybe try to tape them to the floor or something. Carpet and heavy books might also help keeping them in place.
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So you play the toe stroke first then the heel stroke?
Larry Tate
I would say I play the heel-up-stroke first and then the heel-down-stroke.
+MorganvanHelsing 5000 subscribers! Thank you all!
+MorganvanHelsing how long did it take you to learn this technique?
Was the demon drive difficult to get used to? Also can u get as much power for rock from it as needed? I'm considering getting it. Thanks.
I set up a drum pedal below my computer desk just to practice this while I'm browsing the web or even playing games. The best part is, it's starting to work.
Thats a really nice idea!
i've been doin this for 10 years :D even without pedals... i practised a lot of songs on the floor and my ham during travelin or playin games :D
I bet it does
clever idea!
That's a great idea but unfortunately I can't do that because of the structure of my desk (I can't fit a double bass pedal under there!). I find that air drumming helps out quite a bit, even if the song is too fast.
I got a cramp just watching
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You find with this technique you have a lot more stamina and can play longer at higher speeds....when you get the balance between the feet correct :)
THANK YOU for ignoring the temptation to show off and instead focusing on actually HELPING people. - I'm a newbie and i'm obsessed with being able to double-kick so fast that it sounds like i'm dropping a bucket full of marbles. - ALL of the guys i admire insist on playing cleanly first, so that's what i'm trying to do. - I've been scouring youtube looking for help and your video is exactly what i wanted. - Thanks again man, i really appreciate the time and energy you took to make this video.
***** thanks for caring lol
My progress is very slow, but thats intentional.
I decided to take things VERY slowly by swapping which side i lead with. - I want to be able to lead with ANY limb, so of course its taking much longer than it would otherwise. - Progress is slow,.. but inspiring enough to keep working for. \m/
I've been drumming since about 1980 I play double bass licks here and there but have never developed my double bass licks to point like this....as long as I've been around drums and playing this is the one video you should pay attention to first. Master this technique before any others I suggest. I will work on it too. This technique definitely shows how it can be done without being taxing on energy or cause you to start tensing up which slows you down. This is the most effortless technique explained well and using the least amount of energy for the best results are key. Just dont get in the double bass rut and forget the MAIN GOAL is to make the song sound its best and many times it takes playing simple... I hear so many drummers play too much fancy licks than what the song would require and it takes away from it too often. cheers.
@Steve Hunt how is your drumming now?
I remember watching this when I was in high school. I'm glad I found it again 8 years later.
Thanks, now I feel really old :D
Sounds really powerfull and economic motion-wise! Great technique. As a guitar player I would say that this is the "alternate picking" drum equivalent. Great job. Greetings from Brazil! \,,/
This is awesome. This is why I will never stop playing this instrument. There is just so much to learn and master. Well done sir! 🤘🏻
yeah right.... so much to do with drumming that i (we ) cant quit
I dont know why... but when Im sitting down with my headphones on and i air drum.. my feet do this perfectly and on time... Go to my kit... nothing. haha
I have the exact same problem. I was actually doing this before without knowing it was a technique. Yet, when i go to my pedals, they dont respond the same so i could never transfer it. At least I'm not the only one.
Maybe getting longboards will help??
I kind of want to order some
I was thinking the same thing. I've been looking into buying direct drive over the double chain I have now. Ive noticed my slave pedal lags which doesn't help. But in the video, he's using both double chain and direct. So I still think its just me lol
I've got Tama speed cobras right now and they are incredible... if you aren't trying intense heel-toe techniques. haha
My old pedal is a dixon double bass... left foot lags SO hard... ugh........ I know the feels dude.
Psht. I've got some Gibraltar double chains. I might as well have a Dixon lol. I've tried every adjustment including adding weighted beaters, no difference so I know I gotta upgrade. I'm looking at mapex's direct drive pedal. To be honest it felt like the pearl speed demons and even the axis longboards. Only I can get them BELOW $300 at music and arts. So that's gonna be my next buy.
I drank 20 cans of red bull and this happened
Hahahahhaaaaaaaa....
Just save yourself the bathroom breaks and get some coke. JUST KIDDING KIDS YOU DONT NEED DRUGS TO ROCK
"The flying feet technique" 😂
lars Ulrich needs this.
I need this!
every drummer needs this
OdairuPokedYou
His technique is so smooth, I need to get the lead out of my feet!
OdairuPokedYou Lol, so true ^^
+OdairuPokedYou lol he needs to quit, he already got all the chances he could get!
wow that is a great technique!
+CrazyBadCuber You play drums?!?! If you do why don't you do some covers? :D I am subscribed to your channel for year and a half, and i have to say you done a great job! Keep it up :)
***** Thanks, I don't play covers because it takes time away from playing my own stuff.
+CrazyBadCuber Hey Dan what are you doing here?? :D
+CrazyBadCuber to what u doin here man I love ur vids btw
+CrazyBadCuber same here
They called him "machine".
Its actually perfection. This is the same thing you actually do with your hands - so why not with your feets.
it's essentially just heel-toe technique, but keeping your foot grounded on the pedal the whole time, and instead of "diddles" it's alternating. (essentially mohler for your feet)
well you could call it heel-heel-toe-toe technique haha
Haha that's true! :P
true
Funny fact is that I thought that this was the standard heel toe so I used it, now I see it's not the standard heel toe lol.
thekazuya005 I also thought that too, but I haven't been able to get it down. I'm more used to doing it like he does rather than the traditional heel toe though.
I cant say how long exactly but for around the past year Ive been working on this technique - thanks to this video I am now able to (starting to be able) play dbl bass 16ths consistently and for "extended" periods of time between the tempo's 180 to 200bpm
BEFORE working on this technique I could only play UP TO 180bpm using singles (alternating RLRL) - NOW I am able to play comfortably at 180 no stress or tension at all and up to about 200 BPM. This is a significant increase in speed for me, and best of all it is solid and consistent and much less effort than playing RLRL at slower tempos
Thank you for this awesome video
This is still my favorite Wanja video. I can watch this a million times and it won't get old. The start of it all.
Dude! Something crazy happened to me tonight. I accidentally learned your technique. I have been working through Marthyn’s bass drum mastery course over the last few weeks. Been doing well with ankle technique and foot foot technique. When I have extra time and motivation I play around with rudiments and other exercises with my feet. Was doing a build up going back-and-forth between quarter notes and eighth notes and somehow started catching the rebound of the pedal. I froze for a second because it shocked me. It wasn’t the heel toe movement that I have worked on in the past. It felt even more effortless and each stroke was just as powerful as the next. They were also evenly spaced eighth notes and not doubles. Once I understood the sensation and motion it took me about 10 minutes to be able to play flams and unison 8th notes using the constant release technique. I am under the impression that not a lot of guys ever learn how to master this movement. It was like a lightbulb coming on when it happened. When I was a kid I used to play around with heel toe with my feet on the floor. I would always go right heel, left heel, right toe, then left toe. Somehow it seems like I am almost destined to learn how to master this technique and coordinate it into a smooth single stroke roll. I will be searching through your videos to try to find out exercises to help me turn this into one continuous single stroke roll because I feel like I already have the hardest part out-of-the-way learning the new technique, and I don’t think that there is any other technique that will allow you to play as fast with such a little tension and energy expenditure. Wish me luck!
Wow, that sounds awesome! Good luck! Here are some exercises that I can really recommand you to learn and use and that are very useful for getting the coordination between your limbs down: ruclips.net/video/KQ5nBClI-3o/видео.html&t=
This video has opened my eyes and taught me so much. Saw this at first a few years ago and never believed I could even begin to learn this and now after revisiting, I am well on my way to making it my go-to kick technique. Thanks so much, my friend.
this is sort of like the "push pull" technique. It's a really awesome and efficient way of doing it, excellent tutorial.
I think that's a really good description, like pushing and pulling your heel (although your "toe" pushes the leg up again on the second stroke). Tommorrow's 4 months since I first started learning this technique. Day 1: 140 bpm for a few seconds before messing up. Now: 200 for 10 minutes goes almost perfectly, and I can barely do 3 times 10 minutes 210 bpm (weirdly nowadays it's my thighs at those tempos that start to hurt, instead of the shins back then when I started to practise, because the faster I play the more I start by pushing my heel down partially with the thigh also).
And yes, I think this is a really smart technique. Although for the first few days it feels like you'll never learn to actually use it and play loud and clean..
The same happens to my strong foot thigh. Its very strange because i use ankle motion only. I use floating technique and my knee is slightly elevated. I dont know why it hurts
After playing guitar for about a decade now, I started practicing on drums.
Your videos are absolutely spot-on and to the point, and AMAZING.
Thank you for your lessons.
Subbed :)
Thanks ;)
I started drums as well after 20 sum years of guitar, and having good gear makes all the difference! And nechtan on youtube! You rock
So you don't like salmon, because of your namesakes history!
Clear. To the point. Precise. Blindingly fast and powerful bass drumming! The 76 swethearts that dislike this were looking for what exactly? !
You win. I quit.
Lool
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Wow! Nice explanation and demonstration!
Subscribed!
I play single pedal currently but this makes me want to save up to buy a double pedal!
progress?
@@The_Other_Ghost I bought an old DW 3000 double pedal and am working out of a method book. It’s coming along.
@@garbagepailkids81 Remember, practice double bass everywhere. I was doing it at school and even at the airport, especially easy when practicing heels up.
What do 364 people (8-6-18) NOT LIKE about this???
This is hands down the fastest and most solid dbl bass drumming I have ever seen (and heard) wo the use of triggers etc
He is using a dbl pedal and acoustic bass drum look how far the beater consistently comes off the drum head.
The thumbs down must be jealousy
THANK YOU VERY MUCH. your decision to upload this has really helped. all your techniques are amazing and i wish that you always get whatever you desire. you are an outstanding drummer. NEVER STOP PLAYING,much love.
I've been a drummer for 50 years and that's the best I've ever seen you're awesome dude
Listen to George Kollias too
that was fucking crazy man, my jaw is still on the floor
this technique sounds great without triggers...the beaters are flying back far and the bassdrum is resonating beautifully! awesome man!\m/
Started playing drums 1982...had some pause while raising family... have played again for few years now...I need to confess - there was a time before this video and after this video...my world is not the same anymore... I cannot believe the easiness (or look of it) of the footwork. I will not rest until I got it too. Thank you very much for this video!!
Wow, that's exactly what I need. I always had problem with the high-heel technique, but I have good enough the down-heel. Your way to play it helps me to play fast after a few weeks practicing, thank you a lot!
I recently just got back into drumming after taking 2 years off - that was my first mistake. My second mistake was not taking this video seriously. Yes, his hands may be sloppy in this video, but that shouldn't be any indication of his talent as this video is about an insanely fast bass drum technique. I honestly would love to hear you do this technique with a full band and see how you apply this to tunes with your band. Thank you for posting this, and thank you especially for making this easy to understand and easy to practice this method. I'm pretty sure that in about 2 years time, the music industry will be flooded with drummers playing 16th notes at 300bpm.
+UncleTacoBell check out his channel. Has some good studio drum tracking.
Wanja! Thanks for your inspiring work and Thanks also for sharing so clearly, this technique. - Dan Day Drums. Salt Lake City, Utah.
I've playing heel-toe for 1 year and I realize that it's not so great, I need to learn your technique, this is very powerful and clean.
Yes FASTER FASTER!
7:09 you broke the camera your rate was too fast
Dustin Hoeppner Hahahah omg
Suck that peter, boy
@@SteveHanson moron
This is the real stuff. To get this loudness at that speed without TRIGGERS! 🙌🏻
I'm gonna be 52 soon, played guitar since I was a teenager, started drumming 2 and a half years ago. Your videos, especially this one, are helping me become the drummer I've always wanted to be....
Abdolutely the sickest double bass I have ever witnessed! Im speechless
I'll never be able to do that. It doesn't help that I'm almost 50, I don't have any drums and I never did.
Dude, get a cheap practicing drumkit, do it, it's never too late too learn!
hingeslevers I intend to--but first I need someplace to put it.
I am 43 and I am damned if i'm not getting at least a semi good at double kick...I need to play to Be'Lakor
CrazedLeper I have a small old electronic kit in my bedroom. With my bands we practice in a rehearsal space. You can usually get a price reduction if you practice solo.
hingeslevers Not a bad idea, but even that would be beyond my means--at the moment.
Younwill change the world of drumming my friend. You have shown something that opens the door to only what robots would be capable of. Thank you!
As other people said, this is essentially the heel-toe technique, but he does explain it quite well. There's also some nuance there. He demonstrates it as less of a quick rock forward than as two distinct beats. It's not necessarily that he's doing it all that different to any other heel-toe drummers as much as it is this explanation might help others visualize the distinction between heel toe and simply rocking your feet to make quick doubles. Well done.
I dont use any practise pad. I only play on my bassdrum and for demonstration purposes I use my Demon Drive suitcase in this video!
Dude. First day today for me. We will see what happens. What a sick technique
Yeah I've been on it for 2 days now - my overall speed has gone mental! the only difficult part is getting my feet perfectly in sync..be I'll get there..I'm working on double switching from 170 - 340bpm lol
This video just changed my drumming technique all together I tried this for about 15mns and nothing so I relaxed and all the sudden I was getting it I couldntt believe it it was like taking some of the best drugs made I couldn't believe I just learnned a new technique in 20 mns and m y feet will move so much better now thank you so much.All the drum vids I've watched and none have helped my feet like this one.
I was just going through my old harddrive and found videos from 11 years where Bosticman explained this technique. I wanted to upload it so people would be aware but I'm glad you made a video about it! It really changed my playing style and the ability to hold speed and volume. Playing Fear Factory became a piece of cake, lol.
Thanks for getting it out there man!
Do you mean this one? ruclips.net/video/gbhAepnLT3Y/видео.html
Wanja [Nechtan] Gröger exactly, I've got two or three more but this is the import one.
Who is still watching this in 2018? better quit watching vids and start to practise boy! (me included) Still a great vid tho
Hah jokes on you im watching it while practicing and Training my weaker leg
Who is still begging for attention?
Ya its such a waste of time to learn new things....
Nice and relaxed technique.
Awesome, isn't it? :-) I wear his T-Shirt with Pride!! (My Icon is Meytal Cohen's Drum (Mine now). Signed! Meytal doesn't use this technique).
I am an older guy, always loved the drums. Life circumstances prevented my pursuit of drumming at any level of intensity. Now just a hobby. so it is so freaking awesome to see such talent!. I like the way you break it down so we can see how this can possibly be achieved by (much) lesser drummers like myself, You ROCK, MAN! Keep them coming.
WOW! Just wow! I've seen so many drummers explain the technique, but never seen anyone so efficient at it. What's really impressive is from 2:54 to 3:05 with one bass drum. I think anyone who could work this speed with ONE foot will destroy everything with two feet, like you did! Bravo to you!!
is that a german accent?
+Malfurion Stormrage yes it is ;)
MorganvanHelsing haha nicht schlecht spielen du und deine band noch? :b
Die Bands, die ich in dem Video hier nenne, sind noch aktiv, ja - wobei Aletrun gerade eine kreative Pause einlegen.
The strokes get more uneven past 220bpm but who gives a shit??? This guy has an amazing foot technique. I was waiting for his legs to explode!!!
Listen to it, he sometimes plays both at once. Its just an observation. amazing drummer nonetheless. That takes a lot of practice.
I heard it too, but the he's saying it's still an impressive performance. I totally agree.
This is the technique I've been needing..... It won't take me years. It'll take me one month or two, give or take. Thanks!
This (well, heel-toe technique in general) has improved my left foot strength TREMENDOUSLY.
You know, it absolutely amazes me how many people have commented on this guy's appearance or voice. Are you fucking kidding me? Do you suck so bad that the only way you feel better about yourself while watching this guy play is to say dumb shit like that? Dude, you're awesome!!!!! I just sent this video to my drummer.
I second your comment. There are a lot of sad people around that miss the point. I guess we can't stop the haters..
Actually I find it interesting and amusing when people comment on my voice or appearance - that is far more entertaining than no comments at all.
MorganvanHelsing
You are an amazing drummer, They must be jealous, Instead of learning from you and becoming better... they chose to make fun of you. It is pathetic, I myself choose to try to learn from you, At my age i doubt if i could get that good, I am almost 48 years old.
thank you sooooo much for this video, you help me out alot. so keep doing what your doing!!
XD
I think the pedal limit was nearly reached at 250 bpm! Thank God for ball bearings! That is some insane talent and a ton of practice!
The single strokes on the kick sound really loud and clear .This is a very consistent sound .The best
Holy Shit! Incredible footwork! I mostly play guitar but I play drums for fun and some covers. Gonna cover Flying Whales by Gojira. Might try this!
wut!? a suitcase as a bass drum practice pad. :D
i have to think about that.
I just used it for the video - normally I always play on a real bass drum ;-)
Excellent video man! I have to say this is the clearest explanation of the technique of what amounts to "Moeller for the feet". The amount of time you have spent and the hard work you have put in is obvious in your demonstrations at speed. Time to practice . . . or quit!
Wanja, Aloha from Maui, bro! You have described the process of learning double bass speed, better than anyone on the entire internet. Then you actualized what you taught and it threw me onto the floor. It is SOOO defined! You are a master teacher of something very difficult.Sending you my love, mahalo's and plenty aloha, inside a white popcorn cloud racing to you across a deep blue sea.
MorganvanHelsing This would be like a moeller stroke with your foot, rocking motion or 'toe-heel'
5:51 every Slayer song
Arif Suhardi slipknot*
True XD
(That "The Devil in I" tho)
Kudo Da Gunner I can tell devil in i is one of the only slipknot songs you've heard... Devil in I doesn't even have much double bass for being slipknot
Metal Militia Be honest who really wants to listen to more than one Slipknot song.
Disasterpiece is a better example
Great technique, great tutorial! Thanks🤘
Now Im 250bpm using the swivel technique, but that's it… I don't get to move forward with it. Your technique been stuck in my head for months, this is my solution to get to 300bpm, thanks a lot bro!
What the fuck. I was so excited I thought I would be able to do that after watching this. Until I tried...
I love how he's a metal drummer but acts so damn civilized.
I didn't know metal drummers were uncivilized
I'm play Metal Guitar since 38 Years and i have hear many Drummer. The Double Bass Drums are very Diffrent and there are many Ways to Accent this Bass Drum Notes. In my Opinion your Style is very Clear and straight into the Face of BPM, and the BPM Groove is the Best Groove in all Kinds of Music...in my Opinion.
Very Good Man!
To Bad that me not have find a Drummer like you all the Years, i'm sure that than Money will roll straight in. Right, a good Singer is Alpha and Omega ... but this Guys came along when they hear good Music without a Voice and Question "Why there are no Vocals, you search for a Shouter" ...ya, ya ...ok let us make some Rehearsal... and further on.
To make Money with your Instrument you need good Songs and Members they do it with you...but the good Songs are the Importend Thing!
Good Luck for the Future Man!
I love this video that started it all. I come back to it regularly. Awesome!
Ausgezeichnet!!!
Danke!
The camera gave up trying to keep up at 240.
Just got my double pedal and THIS my friend is what I will be learning for a while. Thanks a lot for the hints.
I seen Steve Smith explain this technique years ago. But his was the opposite where he did flat first then heel. This is cool , I shall practice this. Thank you.
Haha its funny how he's just sitting chill on the couch.
You must have the most toned calves of any other drummer
Indeed!!
Amazing physical ability & athleticism; seriously. Obviously a lot of work and dedication has been put in and I see a lot of skill on display as well as good genes and "fast twitch" muscles. Now it's time to extend that into developing musicality, feel, groove & dynamics. This young man could become a fine musician some day.
3:21 i'm really amazed that it sounds so perfectly smooth
this is called the heel toe technique. just explained a lot better than a guy saying first do this "boom" then do this "boom" now you can do this "boobooboobooboobooboobooboobooboobooboobooboobooboom"!!! haha
Once he got to 170 I thought It would end. I️ have never been so wrong.
Thanks for the advice. I am a guitar player and late bloomer on the drums. Just wanting to get 150 bpm. That's all I need. Keep up the good work.
This is not a "strange" technique, it's what Bruce Becker once taught me as a "natural" technique (really mimicking doubles on hands). I use it all the time, with one foot only, much much much much MUCH slower - and still it's improved my playing a lot because it also naturally lets you get the beater off the head, and lets you execute double (or more, with one foot) strokes cleanly. I always thought it should be possible to be amazingly fast when using this on both feet. You prove it, great! But people should know that this is a technique worth learning anyhow. There are videos of Bruce on RUclips, I'm not sure if he explains the foot technique in one of them, but this is definitely the technique that he teaches.
Thanks for the info, I will check him out! I learned the technique from Peza Boutnari, a moldavian drummer I took lessons from for some years. I called it "strange" because when I uploaded the video I hadn't seen anyone else using this technique for fast double bass drumming and even now some years later there are very few people using this.
I haven't ever seen anyone do it as fast as you do - so: kudos! :-)
You make it look so easy :|
It's easier than you think :) Its just nailing the technique thats the challenge.
Just started with this technique a couple weeks ago for the first time. The weird thing is, my left foot is a lot better - relaxed and still as clean as right foot - at this technique than my right foot. The reason is, my right shin (muscle) starts to hurt when playing over a minute at 160 bpm, no matter how relaxed I am. I can barely make it cleanly for 10 minutes because of the pain in the right shin (10 minutes just because wood metronome on RUclips is 10 min long and I use them to learn this new technique). Maybe that is because I have more "experience" of playing heel down with my left foot (on the hihat I occasionally play heel down with my left foot). Anyone else?
I would recommand to check your seat and pedal positions - maybe your right pedal is nearer or farer away from your seat or at a different angle? Are the pedal settings the same right and left?
They are the same - I blame lack of practising. This reminds me of some jazz drummers who switched from heel down to heel up because of the shin getting tired in prolonged and/or fast playing. Just gotta do it more. Thanks for replying!
I am having the same issue, not so much the pain in the right chin (Although when I started this, I had that issue) but it seems like my left foot has more finesse, it's cleaner. Almost feels better, easier to do. But I've chalked it up as, I do a lot of triplets and stuff, so although my left foot never leads, it's NECESSARY for it to be on point. More practice it is!!
A month later and now I can do 30 min 180 bpm :D
+nenissaK I gave up and am currently on the path to heel toe hahaha
I don't play drums, I play guitar, but this is absolutely mind-numbing. I've never seen anything like this technique before.
i started to study this technique today, and 'im at 135bmp with both feet :D it's by far the best technique i ever tried, and it saves a lot!!! of energy :) thanks for sharing
Tip! Don't buy cheap double bass pedals those cheap DP's will just frustrate you
Totoong Rakista So Wanja seems to be using direct drive "metal rod" pedals (don't know how it's called exactly). I wonder if this is even doable with normal chain or belt drive pedals?
Nathan van Dalen Pearl demon drive. It's a direct drive.
At 190, it just starts to sound like a helicopter.
I've been working on this for a little while now, and I still come back here for a refresher and inspiration. I still can't get over how even your strokes are; that has been my biggest challenge, to not make it sound like RLrl RLrl...
Maybe you can try to increase the beater distance if your beaters are too close to the bass drum. What helped me a lot was practising to start with the heel down stroke instead of the full leg stroke.
Thanks for the advice man! I'll try those suggestions. Also, I think it's probably that I'm trying to progress too quickly without putting in the proper practice time (especially with the Left foot).
Kind of blown away that you're the only person that got it. As I watched I asked my self "what's so strange about the heel toe technique?" Only found 1 comment about it.
fuck every time i try to do it my muscle it the front of my shin hurts like a bitch and tightens up
I had the same problem in the beginning - it takes a while for the shin muscles to get used to the motion especially when you played heel up before. It may help to practise a bit heel down to train the shin muscles.
ok thanks im working on it
great shit man...there is always something to learn...good technique....thank you for sharing...much love from detroit...
You seem to nail the very technique I'm striving to get operationnal for me now. I like the fact you "unbury the beater", I do it myself because it fits me regarding sound AND feel. I find it especially difficult to achieve this with both feet at the same time while keeping volume low. Congratulations dude !
Big ups to you for giving this awesome technique to the world and not selling it like a chode.
...why are my feet retarded?
you're not alone.
isn't it like heel toe technique??
It is heel toe
+ian antolik There are 2 main reasons why I don't call this technique "heel-toe": First of all I never create a bass drum hit by hitting the pedal with my heel. The energy/pressure for each hit comes from the ball of my foot. I know that many people would still call it ht but the more accurate term would be "toe-down". The second reason: Presumably 99% of the drummers who claim to use heel-toe play double strokes on the bass drum (right-right-left-left). I use single strojkes (right-left-right-left) and since singles usually sound much better on an acoustic kit this makes a huge difference. I would call this "heel-up-heel-down".
+MorganvanHelsing wouldnt you be applying force with your heels if you had longboard pedals? that's what I'm seeing in your footwork, I'm just curious because it really looks like it from what I've seen from drummers that switched from regular pedals
+nate mowles I have a long bored and I did it just how he said and it's just heel toe it's nothing strange so yeah it's heel toe
+nate mowles Actually I have my Demon Drive pedal set up as a longboard. I also played Axis longboards before but my heel always hits the ground or the very end of the pedal board. So the force for each hit is always applied via the ball of my foot and it does not matter if I play long or shortboards.
I may have commented on this video a long time ago, but I keep ending up here, so forgive me if I'm being redundant. Wanja, your technique is quite simply extraordinary! Yes, you're not the only one with this technique, but it's quite rare to see someone play at that speed and be so precise! I actually find SINGLE bass drum playing way more impressive if you can built speed like yours! From 2:50 to 3:05 is pretty much a killer! Cheers to you!
Could listen to this all day, very nice feel to it, smooth and even.
superhuman! fastest feet in the world?!
Nope, I have seen George kollias hit 280 beats.
There are many faster drummers - but I think there are not many who can play 250 without triggers and still get a good sound out of it.
jordanvag
With the right settings, the drum brain- not the triggers that are hooked up to it- allows for LOTS of dynamics. Perhaps you should thoroughly think through your assertions before commenting, because all you idiots out there who think using triggers is cheating or make you play better or faster are just plain WRONG. Get your facts straight- you can do that by actually USING SOME TRIGGERS & A DRUM BRAIN & EXPERIMENT. Then your opinion will matter.
Yes, i have & use an Alesis DM5 module. That doesn't make me faster by any stretch. It DOES make fast double bass more articulate when there's a loud guitar/ bass assault accompanying the drums. Use of triggers/ technology doesn't make someone a pussy. i hate opinions not based in logic, fact, or experience.
Dwayne Barksdale jordanvag You are both right. Triggers CAN be used in a way that would feel like cheating for me. As Dwayne said it all depends on the settings of the drum module. I use triggers primarily when playing live because it seems to be almost impossible for most sound guys to get a good acoustic sound out of the bass drum. I often had the problem that my bass drum was not audible at all or that nothing was audible except the bass drum during double bass drumming. The very clean sounding sound out of the drum module seems to be easier to handle. Thats why I see triggers as a usefull tool for making live performances sound better.
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Hi Wanja! My compliments! In the beginning of the video-first example you used a DW pedal (shortboard i guest?). So your technique is also on a shortboard to apply?
crocket1971 he said yes in a previous comment, that doesn't really matter
All sounds great to me, I play the piano and the pianissimo is similar, to hit those speeds is to not play too loudly and you do that!!!! Mozart and Beethoven were great timpani writers, also Bruckner and Sibelius were true masters! Keep up your work my friend, Nick
The same principle of 'open/close' technique applied to feet. Brilliant, i'll try this