This is worse than that. Vintage players get a maximum of 1 commander, which they must always pay 3 extra for and can only play once. These fine gentlemen got 3.
I agree but sadly Stax is just to slow. With so many ways to cheat out powerful cards and combos in such a short time span, the chance of the Stax player having anything set up in time is super low
@@nebDDa it really just isn’t as good as it seems in cedh. it was banned for being unfun, not necessarily for its power. in cedh the plethora of 0 and 1 drops means it will set your opponent behind a teeny bit, but it wont really destroy a game.
I agree with everyone in the thread. Turbo is the more practical list, given moxen and other broken cards, but it makes the decks' diversity more homogenous.
Thank you PWP for doing these! There are a lot of people who are questioninga ban list and various cards from it, claiming half of the banlist is irrelevant. This is a great presentation, that everything in banlist is relevant 😂
Countering that Summoners Pact was such a bad move it hurts me, if he had just countered the incoming Flash he would have effectively taken him out of the game
These are far and away my favorite videos. Glad you guys don't do them too often because they're so ridiculous, but I still love seeing just how unhinged this game gets.
Very powerful stuff! I think I'd like to see what CEDH would look like with, not necessarily NO banlist, just exploring some cards on the banlist that people don't have a good idea how they'd function in a CEDH environment. Golos + Karakas was a more interesting take than reanimator turbo. In the outro, it's mentioned that "many of us are so far removed that we don't realize just how powerful these cards really are in practice". Every once and a while, yeah, we'll see someone say Griselbrand should be unbanned, but I don't think many people at ALL would argue that mox+black lotus should be unbanned. This episode, while an entertaining showcase of banned cards in its own right, is certainly no rebuttal to those who say cards like primeval titan or coalition victory should be unbanned. I'd like to see what CEDH looks like when allowed to stay in-between legacy and vintage, rather than just full-blown vintage.
Tbh this just shows the power of Thassa's Orcale Consultation combo. That even at the peak with no banlist its stil by far objectively the best wincon in commander
@@voluntarism335 Why is it the strongest combo in the game? It requires two pieces to be resolved at sorcery speed, and 4 mana total to activate. In comparison, Flash combo is 2 mana at instant speed and can be cast t0 using Gemstone Caverns + Spirit Guide before any opponents have even played a land or in response to an opponent's attempt to go off. Also, Flash is blue which means redundant copies can be pitched for Force of Will and Hulk can be tutored for 0 with Summoner's Pact.
@@wchenful you need 4 cards in hand to be able to pull off that turn 0 win, and someone can just force of will/force of negation/their own gemstone caverns + dark Ritual + opposition agent in response
@@voluntarism335 That's fine, even without the t0 win, its a 2 card combo at instant speed vs. time vault + key which is a 4 mana sorcery speed combo, where neither piece pitches to force. It's straight up weaker.
Chad’s decision to not pyro the rhystic made me angry in that last game, but realizing that it was bait was actually really smart. huh. Also a mull to 4 where ancestral is bottomed??? What is the reasoning for that??
Exxon doesn’t even make GAS ⛽️ this high test 🔥 that’s a circa ‘93 inception player’s style of play. Many busted cards made, and now collecting VALUE with a side of dust
I'm surprised bribery isn't in any of these with griselbrand in the format. Another 5 Mana 1 card win. The floor is getting dockside or hullbreacher if griselbrand is out of the deck.
Personally I think this is better. There’s a lot of old rules in Magic that you could choose to go back to. Keeping it strictly about what’s on the ban list is simple as well as interesting.
I would just use Emrakrull, The Aeons Torn as my commander and equip her with Eldrazi Conscription, Grafted Exoskeleton, and Swiftfoot Boots. Then cast time walk to kill everyone immediately. By using Black Lotus into 3 Dark Rituals, an Eye of Ugin, and forsaken momument with wastes I could bring her out as early as turn 3. Also Thassa's Oracle combo. T0 win.
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PWP - "Let's do a no ban list!"
Zack - "Someone say turn 2?"
Also Zack - casually Gemstones Dockside for the memes.
That wasn’t even for memes! He literally didn’t need it.
the only way it would be mana positive is if the golos player dumped 3 or 4 cheap artifacts, and even THEN in long run it wasnt good enough
Let's not forget that obsolete tainted Pact, he already milled his whole library :D
Zack: “Pregame action: Gemstone Caverns, exiling…Dockside Extortionist.”
Table: “Ok sounds good gg let’s shuffle up.”
This is what CEDH looks like to people that don't like CEDH.
Hahahaha absolutely!
100%
Your comment resolves!!!!
@@True_Ronin Was the stack empty tho?
@@Bjerr The comment has split second and can't be countered or targeted while it's on the stack.
my favourite part is when zack said "it's winning time!" and won all over the table
Zack really went full anime villain on this one.
Well, he is playing Mairsil, who is an MtG villain, so...
10:34 WIN ATTEMPT THWARTED??? 2 people haven’t gotten to draw yet! This format is wild, I love it
We haven't even reached the turn 0.5 flash hulk win zone yet
Ah yes, I love watching 100-card singleton Vintage.
This is worse than that. Vintage players get a maximum of 1 commander, which they must always pay 3 extra for and can only play once. These fine gentlemen got 3.
@@Frommerman It's also why the heavy mulligans aren't as punishing here. Your starting hand size is 10 is you have partners and lutri.
Canadian higlander (is the name of what you are refering to) is way more fun cause it has a point sistem
I am convinced they played until Zack didn’t win.
I love the no ban list games, but I wish someone would use the opportunity to build a unrestrained stax list to keep the turbo lists in check.
I agree but sadly Stax is just to slow. With so many ways to cheat out powerful cards and combos in such a short time span, the chance of the Stax player having anything set up in time is super low
Nobody is brave enough to make a braids cabal minion deck
Turbo is so much more lucrative with the Moxen.
@@nebDDa it really just isn’t as good as it seems in cedh. it was banned for being unfun, not necessarily for its power. in cedh the plethora of 0 and 1 drops means it will set your opponent behind a teeny bit, but it wont really destroy a game.
I agree with everyone in the thread. Turbo is the more practical list, given moxen and other broken cards, but it makes the decks' diversity more homogenous.
CEDH shows how important turn order is in deciding who wins.
Thank you PWP for doing these! There are a lot of people who are questioninga ban list and various cards from it, claiming half of the banlist is irrelevant. This is a great presentation, that everything in banlist is relevant 😂
everything is a stretch, no one played coalition victory or balance :(
Apart from sundering titan lol
I love it with games like these that prove why these cars were banned in the first place, just a bit too much for the format.
There's not a lot of no ban list cedh on youtube, so I'm glad to see you guys put a video up on it!
Always brightens my day to see playing with power videos
Love these videos, especially the NBL ones. Thank you for getting these together.
Countering that Summoners Pact was such a bad move it hurts me, if he had just countered the incoming Flash he would have effectively taken him out of the game
"Can we just keep playing until someone but Zack wins?"
It’s hoe their regular banlist games go too haha
LOL he was just playing solitaire.
This is the first time I felt like I never needed to know what people were drawing I'd look at opening hands and be like oh so you're going to win
No ban list cEDH is just so sick hahaha I never realized how op Griselbrand is in this format. Also was surprised to only see one time vault win!
There were two time vault wins. One with Zack and Griselbrand and one with Chad and Golos
You can remove the "in this format" part of your sentence and it will still be true.
Thanks for the 5 games! I love watching no ban list commander! Great video all together.
I’ve been waiting for another one of these!
Ayo a Lutri video??? Now this is gonna be good!
There's a reason why that card was banned and commander. A free 101 cards for having those two colors is a bit much.
I would be interested to see this with a stacks deck to see if they can actually ever take a choke hold on the game or if it is just too fast
These games are wild! Absolutely love seeing these videos every now and then. But it is also a really good showing for why these cards are banned lol
Okay - had to comment again: this video is such a gift!! It just keeps going!!
Woooo grixis!! Let's gooooo!
Definitely wana see more no ban list this was great to watch
These are far and away my favorite videos. Glad you guys don't do them too often because they're so ridiculous, but I still love seeing just how unhinged this game gets.
Mairsil putting in work for a commander I don't see anymore
we didn't see mairsil though XD
Very powerful stuff! I think I'd like to see what CEDH would look like with, not necessarily NO banlist, just exploring some cards on the banlist that people don't have a good idea how they'd function in a CEDH environment. Golos + Karakas was a more interesting take than reanimator turbo. In the outro, it's mentioned that "many of us are so far removed that we don't realize just how powerful these cards really are in practice". Every once and a while, yeah, we'll see someone say Griselbrand should be unbanned, but I don't think many people at ALL would argue that mox+black lotus should be unbanned. This episode, while an entertaining showcase of banned cards in its own right, is certainly no rebuttal to those who say cards like primeval titan or coalition victory should be unbanned. I'd like to see what CEDH looks like when allowed to stay in-between legacy and vintage, rather than just full-blown vintage.
Nice to see a true no holds barred pod!
Definitely need to do more of this every now and then
The fact that it just goes "he cast a he cast a" and all of them were the exact same tone and cadence is hilarious to me
Would love to see some banned commanders like Griselbrand or Emrakul, maybe even in a regular vid with the special rule being any commanders?
Tbh this just shows the power of Thassa's Orcale Consultation combo. That even at the peak with no banlist its stil by far objectively the best wincon in commander
Flash hulk is stronger - it can win turn 0 instant speed. This is a very small sample size of games.
@@wchenful time vault + key is actually the strongest combo in the game
@@voluntarism335 Why is it the strongest combo in the game? It requires two pieces to be resolved at sorcery speed, and 4 mana total to activate. In comparison, Flash combo is 2 mana at instant speed and can be cast t0 using Gemstone Caverns + Spirit Guide before any opponents have even played a land or in response to an opponent's attempt to go off. Also, Flash is blue which means redundant copies can be pitched for Force of Will and Hulk can be tutored for 0 with Summoner's Pact.
@@wchenful you need 4 cards in hand to be able to pull off that turn 0 win, and someone can just force of will/force of negation/their own gemstone caverns + dark Ritual + opposition agent in response
@@voluntarism335 That's fine, even without the t0 win, its a 2 card combo at instant speed vs. time vault + key which is a 4 mana sorcery speed combo, where neither piece pitches to force. It's straight up weaker.
That was absolutely awesome to watch.
That third game when he went to 4, i was so wishing someone was running a shock or lightning bolt to copy with lutri lol
Another No-Ban List Commander game?! Let us freaking GO!!!
Holy cow, this was insane haha! Love it.
I love no ban list cedh. So much fun!
Zack with the HAT TRICK +1
Moxen with Yawmoth's Bargain and Grislebrand is just ridiculous. Makes Ad Nauseum and Necropotence decks look like child's play
What I have been waiting for!
Geez Ryan’s hand/first two turns in game two are insane
This is the ultimate: "Here is why fast mana is stupid and a banlist is good" video :D
Love this channel. CEDH Magic is just amazing 👌🏻
Wow someone had a good day!!!! Nice!
I would love to see an updated no banlist game. I'm working on a leovold list myself and would appreciate seeing more alternative content
The thing I love the most about these no banlist games is that I can shove them in the face of everyone whining about banlists. 🙃
Agreed. Some people literally don’t understand if the cards were not banned it’s a turn 1-2 clock non stop. Lol
I think people are mostly contesting whether cards like biorhythm or coalition relic should be banned - not moxes and time vaults.
honestly if this taught me anything about the banlist its that thassas oracle should go
I love how ridiculous the matches were, everyone entombing Griselbrand and drawing 30 cards or having 5 mana rocks on turn 2
“You know what…let’s go into the next game” 😂😂😂
Saw a 17min vid and thought oh so not much different from normal, boy was I wrong.
Love the no banlist games, when will someone cast Sharazard though lol?
Amazing
These are an absolute blast to watch.
Would like to see a Leovold list in no ban cEdh
16:02 why didn't he spirit guide to just counter the rystic? He would have had more of a chance of it resolving
No ban list is so dirty! Gotta love it 😉
I loooove the « no banlist » soooo much !!!
That was really fun. What the heck!
(What about cEDH but silver border cards are legal? There are some pretty busted Un-cards.)
Someone says: Lets play cedh with no bans.
Soemone else says: Yeah I would like to play that because I really like it but I like my wallet more.
Another excellent episode!
So, vintage if countermagic was restricted and life payments mattered even less.
The hardcast Fierce Guardianship, that was spicy
I love no ban lists games so much
Chad’s decision to not pyro the rhystic made me angry in that last game, but realizing that it was bait was actually really smart. huh.
Also a mull to 4 where ancestral is bottomed??? What is the reasoning for that??
God this format is so absurdly fun ahah
What an episode !!! 🔥♥️
Phillip relly got to play some magic here
you guys should bring this NBL games at least once per month
we do like this kind of content
If it's no Ban list I think people are missing a golden opportunity to play Richard Garfield Ph.D
Exxon doesn’t even make GAS ⛽️ this high test 🔥 that’s a circa ‘93 inception player’s style of play. Many busted cards made, and now collecting VALUE with a side of dust
I'm surprised bribery isn't in any of these with griselbrand in the format. Another 5 Mana 1 card win. The floor is getting dockside or hullbreacher if griselbrand is out of the deck.
I want more of this!
The Coalition Victory on the side is very funny.
Absolutely love the no ban list games, they're pretty flashy. I'll see myself out.
Also, really funny that Thoracle won so many games XD
Just here to say I like seeing NBL content
yippe, needed some commander content
mairsil can cage time vault, wouldn't it be a better option all of the time?
So much fun to watch, if i could afford idd make these decks
Why would you bottom an ancestral recall instead of a mox? It's 3 more cards! Edit: He didn't even get a turn lol
Might be a bit of a controversial opinion but I feel like No Ban List should also play with the original companion rules
Personally I think this is better. There’s a lot of old rules in Magic that you could choose to go back to. Keeping it strictly about what’s on the ban list is simple as well as interesting.
''Not a single game went past turn 2'' Welcome to the Yugioh experience
In yugioh that's like turn 8
I blinked and missed it all
Let’s give it up for the narrator😂
Zack is on FIIIREE!
I would just use Emrakrull, The Aeons Torn as my commander and equip her with Eldrazi Conscription, Grafted Exoskeleton, and Swiftfoot Boots. Then cast time walk to kill everyone immediately. By using Black Lotus into 3 Dark Rituals, an Eye of Ugin, and forsaken momument with wastes I could bring her out as early as turn 3.
Also Thassa's Oracle combo. T0 win.
Now I may not play CEDH, but when a card not on the ban list wins 3 games in a row, that might be an issue
With no ban list, the C in CEDH stands for crazy! 🤯
No Leovold???
Someone knows what zack sleeves are?
They are a limited edition sleeve that is no longer sold by DS and are crazy expensive on the secondary market. So we decided not to promote them. The sleeves are: Saturion: Coat-of-Arms
I love how Lutri is there
Hope to see a turn 1 time vault win
That was ridiculous! 🤣
Chad playing Golos. Based. RIP pilgrim.
Why does it feel like phillip was not playing the same game as everyone else lol
Would love to see turn 1: mox, mana vault, ancient tomb, black lotus, trinisphere. Sit back and laugh.
Imagine someone else just plays time vault with mishra's workship on turn one, turn two, land voltaic key, infinite turns
These matches prove how busted Coalition Victory really is.