SPEED TRIPLE vs SPEED TWIN - Did I buy the right one? [QuickTest#16]
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- Опубликовано: 16 дек 2021
- Revisiting the Speed Triple that I liked so much 6 months ago when I owned a Trident 660. But now that I ride a Speed Twin, do I still yearn for this 1200 RS?
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"Sea Creaturey" is the most accurate description for the triple that I've heard to date! 😂😂😂
Thanks :)
An excellent review of these two bikes from a riders perspective! I really enjoy your comparison videos. You always present an object review, while adding the pro’s and con’s of each motorcycle. Thanks and have a great weekend. Ride safe my friend!
Thanks, Willy. Your positive feedback is always appreciated😊
Your reviews/comparisons are excellent and very informative. Thank you.
Thank you, Greg😊
Another brilliant review, I enjoy greatly your refreshing take on bike reviews, a genuine option can be a rare thing these days. Many thanks for all your efforts.
Thank you for your kind words of encouragement :)
Always a pleasure to watch and listen RM
Thank you, David :)
Really great review. As bike guys we can all appreciate these fine specimens for what they are. I LOVE my speed twin and have fun riding all around town but I would certainly welcome a romp on a triple at any point. I'm just glad I get to have fun on two wheels whenever I want and love the community!
Agreed. Thanks for your feedback😊
Sweet video. Honest assessment of two great machines. Just brought my new Speed Twin in the house today from my minivan! Unloaded it myself. The balance and ergonomics of it are amazing considering the fairly hefty weight. When I first sat on it at the dealer I knew it was coming home with me. To each his own, but the Speed Twins the one for me!
Good choice. Enjoy :)
Having ridden a Street triple RS, then a Speed twin, I absolutely loved the Speed in the city, that addictive torque and ease of use, as well as that super compact feeling nature had me fall in love with the bike and question whether I ever liked the Street (it was my dream bike till I rode the speed twin). With that I completely forgot about both bikes and went about my merry way, till I recently had a Triumph salesman telling me I should try the Speed Triple and it would make up for that missing torque I felt in the street; Tossing me the key-fob and with my friend on the new Street RS we went for a ride in a city I had never been to, My god have my opinions changed, I absolutely fell in love with the Speed Triple, I remember finding some empty stretches and struggling and crying to keep the front end down as I opened the throttle, no one needs this much power, especially in a naked bike; but I'd be lying if I said I didn't want it. With both the Street and Speed triple RS at full throttle, I had to let off as I was afraid I'd scare my friend by passing him too fast, I never thought I'd see such a difference between a middleweight and superbike levels of performance; The handling and braking was to die for as well. I know the Speed Twin makes more sense, and in India it is drastically cheaper than the 1200 RS, But if I had the money, I think I'd still go for the Triple, But who knows, maybe in a few year of riding my cafe racer my back and wrists will persuade me to choose the Speed twin over the others. Loved your video on the two and I enjoy your content! Ride Safe!:)
Haha, yes the new Speed Triple is a beast :)
You did a great job in comparing the uncompareable.
I got a grin on my face as you mentioned that the sound of your Speed Twin reminds you of the boomy burble sound of a V 8. Well, technically it sounds with its 270 ° crank quite exactly like a 90 ° V twin, as it is mimicing its firing order. So, welcome in the club of the Ducati, Moto Guzzi and Suzuki V 2 sound experience.
Lol, thanks Andi. Ok, V8 is maybe stretching it a bit👍😊
Another informative and well delineated review. Your conclusions matched several assumptions I had about the two bikes and, as a chronologically gifted rider, I would agree with you about making deliberate choices about twist and go torquey engines for a relaxed ride. I like your comparison of the the Speed Twin to a BNW R Nine T.
Thanks, Timothy. I would like to do a comparison between the two bikes, but my local BMW dealer hasn't got a demonstrator Nine T in yet. Hopefully in a few weeks.
Thank you so much for this!! I have had 4 Speed Triples, since 2005, now have a R from 2018. I can honestly say the current version is my least favourite. Triumph has moved away from the ethos of the Speed Triple and is chasing the Tuonos , which means the new RS is even less of the friendly British beef that the originals were, with lots of torque and mega fun in real life. I used mine well, touring and even took it to the Nurburgring, always laughing. The current one has been a challenge to get on with, specially leaving in Portugal like I do now and negotiation cobble streets and bad pavement. When I do find a good road and can ride over 150 kmsh, then it comes alive and is mega!! But that is not advisable nor practical. With great sadness Im thinking of changing and the Speed Twin looks good. I had the Scrambler 1200 XE for 2 days and loved it, so much I was ready to give up on my right leg due to the heat from the pipes!! Still not sure I can let go of the need for speed, but I need to crash to earth and accept the Speed Triple now has a very narrow operating band... thanks again, i ll book a test ride of the speed twin!!! Will let you know when im down in the Algarve, maybe a coffee at triumph? Cheers
Pressure’s on me then for the Speed Twin test ride😊 See you at Triumph Algarve👍
I have just acquired a 22 Speed twin,so enjoyed your honest and balanced review. I have had many bikes over my 55 yrs of biking and feel sure the STwin will not disappoint. As you point out, it depends on so many factors, but unlike most other reviews you consider the rider`s needs as well as the bike itself and at 76 yrs of age and doing mainly rides of no more than 250 miles in the UK I agree the ST is better to own than the tripple. Thanks for good vid.
Thanks for your feedback :)
I am from India and loving your videos a lot, kudos to you. Keep growing man. Best wishes from India for your channel
Thank you😊
Always enjoy watching your reviews- they are easy to watch, informative and to the point. Endlessly jealously of the weather in the algarve though! I love my speed twin to bits and can't imagine a bike I'd rather own-coupled with your weather would be heaven! Anyway, to take the twin out or not to take the twin that is the question??.......
Thank you. We are lucky down here, although this Christmas week is looking distinctly dodgy. I think my Speed Twin will be spending its time connected to the battery conditioner in the garage. Oh well, spring will be here before we know it. Ride safe :)
Fantastic video I own a speed triple rs 1050 but find I ride my speed twin a lot more the speed triple gets very little use .l feel you're review is absolutely spot on couldn't put it better my self. Must be an age thing lol stay safe looking forward to more videos 🇬🇧👍
Thank you, Richard. Always good to hear I'm not alone :)
Always enjoy your comparative reviews. Please consider reviewing the Street Triple RS as well. Would very much appreciate seeing your take. Happy holidays.
Thank you :) I have actually done a comparison with the Street Triple. Link in this video's description :)
I truly appreciate your video, I'm stuck between these two bikes and can't make up my mind! I think I watched this video like 10 times already 😂. I love the speed and all the tech features, but I also love the retro look on the speed twin 😢. I tried the twin and fill in love with the riding experience, I can't compare with the triple since I never tested it. I'm coming from a Supersport but wanted something I can ride comfortably everyday as I'm starting to feel the pain on my wrists and back.
I totally get that. I love my Twin, but still sometimes wish I’d gone for the completely mental Triple. I think my licence (and life?) is safer with the Twin, though😬
Great review! I own the Speed Triple RS. I love it. In my late forties but in good shape. I have been on 4 hour ride and just loved it. Getting some Saddle and tank bags. Planning on driving it from Vancouver Canada to Los Angels in August
Thanks! Sounds like an awesome trip. Not jealous at all. My eldest son lives in Vancouver😊
@@RocketMan_Moto Does he ride?
Not yet, but he's just taken his theory test (not sure what you call it) and is going to start lessons once the worst of the winter is over.
Thank you for an enjoyable comparison between these desirable bikes.
I like your reference to diesel v petrol performance which makes so much sense. Torque is king in my view, especially on these camera strewn UK roads!
I wish more reviewers would show comparison charts, I find them useful in tracking the relative virtues of different bikes. For example I'm no fan of the BMW 1200GS but they sell like hot cakes so it's good to see its relative scoring against the RS and others. I'm trying to fathom what it is that I'm not appreciating.
Thank you, Paul. Ride safe :)
Have you ridden a 1200gs ?
@@chrishart8548 No Chris, I've not and that's because in my view they aren't an attractive bike. Not called tractors for nothing. And maybe too big for me at 5 foot 10? They just don't appeal but plenty of folk love them.
Maybe I should test ride but they're expensive to buy, unreliable, heavy as, rusted frames, cracked swing arm, expensive to repair.
But maybe I just remember the bad stuff because they don't appeal. Some kind of preference reinforcement 🤣
@@S1000xrhp they are not that tall especially the normal r1200gs not gsa comes in low chassis and a lower seat. Probably 775mm seat height after both. Not much goes rong of looked after. And a 2013 could be had for around £8k. The looks are subjective really.
Nice review as usual ! Thank you man !👍😉✌️ I like both but with better protections on front wheel. Rainy days coming, the front fender could be a bit longer and so on for the rear. Seems the design is all but we dont ride only on sunny days. Triple is great and maybe a good way to loose your licence ! 🤣
Oh yes. The Speed Triple is insane. I'm a 'mature rider', but even I was struggling to keep to the speed limits
Love it! Might get one a Speed Twin ... I'll have to have a think about it :)
Great bike ;)
Another superb comparison RM! Enjoyed hearing your thoughts on both these babies or beasts 😊as per a person’s perspective.
What you said about age being the predominant factor in a choice between the two is the most accurate assessment ever.
A twenty/thirty something person is not going to possibly choose the Twin over the Triple. They might call the Twin an “uncle” bike and on the other hand the Triple in the hands of the those above 55 might be called “trying to relive his youth” 😂😂😂
Actually the person who spends the moolah is always right 💪 for himself/herself. The world always has something to say, ignore and enjoy your life.
Cheers
Thanks, Kurush. I agree completely with your analysis👍
Excellent review.
Thanks😊
What a great review ! I’m now 54 and have a 2018 Speed Triple RS and a Kawasaki 1000sx …. I love the Speedy BUT have this year been seriously considering WHY I own it rather than the new Speed Twin …. And your review hits the nail on the head …. I’m leaning very much towards swapping for the Speed Twin as a more “sensible” or should I say rounded bike for me … great example is my 10 mile ride to work … the Speedy will do it , but it always feels pi55ed off with me that we’re not doing it faster ! Whereas the Speed Twin seems happy to burble its way through the commuting traffic and you arrive a bit more relaxed I feel ! Thanks again for a great review 👍🏻
Thanks, Dave. I’m still very pleased with my Speed Twin. The Triple is considerably faster, but like you I’m in my 50s and so don’t need so much power. Ride safe😊
@@RocketMan_Moto You too my friend 👍🏻
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I find myself agreeing with your observations on age and what bike we should get. When I was in my late 20's I had a cafe RD 350 Yamaha that was built by me to be as close to a race bike as I could get it. It was the most fun bike I ever owned, period! I have owned faster bikes, 73 Kawasaki Z1, 84 Kawasaki Ninja - first year for it, but for pure adrenaline rush, the sounds and handling of that RD was IT! Now at 73 my style is like yours, low end torque to get the bike moving, just not at high speeds over 85. My 97 1100 virago handles that task very well, but over 80 it gets uncomfortable. That's OK as I spend no time at those speeds any more. Please keep your reviews coming as the are very informative.
I hear you! Thanks and ride safe :)
Another good comparison video
Another nice comment. Thank you, Lyn :)
Great video! Cheers
Thank you, Nuno :)
Hello rocket man. I have some questions for you if you can assist. I have the trident identical to the one you had. After 9 months I love the bike but find that I need a bit more. In quality in power etc.
so I’ve test ridden a striple r and loved it but. I found my self doing 70-80kms in town easily and I didn’t want to go that fast. It seems the bike wants to go fast. Was that me or is the bike build that way?
Also after a 1 hour and a half of ridding my knees where somewhat hurting. Just a bit but enough to make have second thoughts.
Anyway since you got the speed twin (which I love) is the twin a good balance of power sports riding and relaxed riding at the same time?
I had a Street Triple RS back in 2017. I loved it, but just as you describe, I found myself riding everywhere 'at 200kph'. It became irritating, so I tried the Trident, which was great, but I missed the power. The Speed Twin for me is the best compromise: it's got the power and torque, but it's a 'lazy' engine, that doesn't like to be revved. You can go fast if you want, but it's not pushing you constantly to break the speed limit. As for the Speed Triple, that is completely mental, and you find yourself going everywhere at 300kph, lol. Hope this helps :)
Excellent Review!!! My speed twin is arriving in 3 weeks, I have a small question.
Does the exhaust pop while decelerating?
Oh yes! :)
I like the reference to old school turbo diesels, torque (or the feeling of strong low down torque) is king on the road. Good comparison.
Thanks, Graham :)
Gr8 vid. Ride safe, god bless u.
Thanks, Zedi :)
Thanks for the video. Would you say the speed twin is more than capable for travelling or is it just a vintage naked for short rides? This is the reason for me to lean towards the Tiger (completely different bike).
I love my Speed Twin, but it wouldn’t be my first choice for Touring. The Tiger or Tracer are much better for that. The Speed Twin is perfect for short blasts of fun, but a bit limited (and uncomfortable) for trips of more than, say, 4-500km😊
Thanks for another excellent video. As a 40+yo rider - that's the perspective I was looking for. :)
Thank you, Alex😊👍
I guess aesthetics are very much subjective and to each their own. I find the new speed triple to be absolutely gorgeous and I adore the twin headlight design triumph use on their sport naked. The headlight design was one of the major reasons I bought my 2017 Street Triple RS.
On the other hand, as much as I appreciate the classic looks of the speed twin, I don't find it overly enticing compared to all the other Bonneville variants. I'm sure both are great bikes but even just for the looks I'm going with the triple.
That’s fair enough. As you say, everyone is different. Glad you’re enjoying your Speed Triple; it is an awesome bike😊
Always a pleasure to watch your thoughts on Triumphs RocketMan. I know that is no longer sold new but I think the Speed Triple 1050RS is a better match for the Speed Twin. The engine spins much slower than the 1200RS so the acceleration is less brutal. It's heavier so less agile to turn. The brakes aren't as sharp. The suspension is softer. Still very fast and sporty but everything happens slower when compared to the 1200RS. A gentleman roadster. A very underrated motorcycle. The 1200RS is better in every way but which one is the better road bike? I think it is the 1050RS. Like I said in another of your videos the experience of the Speed Triple and Speed Twin should be sufficiently different to justify owning both. I have to choose? Never experienced a twin engine that can hold a candle to a triple :)
I have never ridden the 1050, but I've heard lots of good things about it. The new one is a bit peaky.
The Speed Triple 1050 RS is still a very capable bike. Pick up a very low mileage one for a considerable cost saving over the newer 1200RS. Plus the 1050 RS has those lovely twin Arrow cans.
Sorry, the S3 1050 RS is faster in every way up to 7000rpm than the 1200RS…..no comparison at all to the Speed Twin…..I’ve owned a Speed Twin and now the S3 1050 RS
Excellent observation
Thanks😊
that sound of the Twin and ergonomics are perfect Ive had been waiting for the new Triple but in the back of my mind I been curious about the Twin never hearing or seeing much about it I am now leaning toward the Twin The internet says 12500 for the Twin but you know how that goes. If you want this bike you will pat what we are asking or we will sell it to some other guy or gal kinda thing. I have two Triumphs as of now I still think I need one more.
Excellent explanations! Almost bought a Speed Twin (the first model) except for three negative reasons: Seat started to hurt after an hour of riding (normally three hours on my 2012 V-Strom 650), a bit too much engine heat on a hot summers day in Sydney (34°C) and the deal breaker of squeaking brakes. Doe your newer model Speed Twin with its upside down forks squeak (with the original pads)? Cheers!
Thanks, Sam. No squeaking from the new M50s :)
What did you end up buying?
I have two speed triples a 2010 and 2017R. IMO these are the best two versions that came out of the factory. Tried the 1200 triple, more power yes, but not as rider friendly. So, I’m sticking with the two I have. The stand out feature for the earlier model for me is the riding character and those unmistakable looks of 2010 model, still turns heads even today.
Thanks for your feedback😊
Hi Rocketman love your posts and love the speed twin. Wondered if you could please tell me the serial number make of the sintered pads you got for the twin, I only seem to be able to source pads for the older model. Thankyou
No problem, Trevor. The EBC pads I fitted to my 2022 Speed Twin bear the reference number: GPFAX447HH. Hope this helps :)
@@RocketMan_Moto thanks for your time, much appreciated. Keep the posts coming!
No problem. Thanks for your encouragement.
As someone who rides with Speed Twins and Thruxtons regularly, I prefer the BMW R NineT. I would be very interested to see your take on the BMW R NineT as compared to the Speed Twin. Excellent video, as usual.
Thanks, Joe. I did ride the Nine T briefly before ordering my ST and enjoyed it, but it's very expensive here in Portugal, so I ordered the Triumph :)
I own both a Thruxton R and R9T and find the Thruxton R to be better performing bike with the R9T to be a tad more comfortable.
Any possibilities for you to do a detailed review on the YSS rear shocks compared to the originals? And what are your thoughts on other options that's available such as Nitro, Ohlins and etc? Thank you very much!
I'll see what I can do. In a nutshell, the YSS are good mid-range shocks, that I chose because TECs were too basic and Öhlins/Nitron were too expensive :)
@@RocketMan_Moto Thank you very much! Look forward to more videos from your channel.
Hi Rocket, nice review nice video!
so iam from Porto and i have a trident aswell and iam wondering getting a thruxton or a speed twin like urs my question is, i will feel the difference from the trident to those 1200cc engines? i want a better perfomance early bike and iam wonder if i will notice the difference btw mine.
Thanks have a great day
Ola Rui. Oh yes! The Trident is good, but can't compare to the 1200s - torque is so much more present. It's a different experience, and I love it, but maybe not one that suits you - you need to try before you buy :) PS we were in Porto for the first time last week - nice city :)
@@RocketMan_Moto thanks in advice. Best City in Portugal for sure :) haha
Have a good day
On point…a window…I owned a 2017 Speed Triple for about a year and realized it was just getting me into trouble :)
I can well believe it. A constant invitation to break the speed limit.
7:56 right on point!! I felt the same riding the z900 and Trident as well. They were good but just didn't make me smile AFTER the ride like the Speed Twin
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Simple solution, put both is your garage! Great video!
Thanks. I wish I could :)
Very few people can sum these two up. And I felt that you did it.. "speed twin is fast at low speeds and the triple I fast at very high speeds" 👆👍👍👍 I am surly picking this up 😆😆
Glad you enjoyed it :)
I recently sat on the latest Speed Triple, the 1200RR version. Like the Ducati 916 many years ago I knew my time had gone for riding such bikes. I can look and appreciate the lines, beauty even, and the technology but as for riding...in youth definitely, now....I have been riding a Street Triple 675 for the last few years here in Spain. Its still manageable, however I believe the time will not be long before I must go to the Triumph classic range where both feet are flat on the ground and a more comfy riding stance is possible...not to mention an ever decreasing desire to be a 'Hooligan.!!
I completely understand that, Brian. I had a 2017 Street Triple a few years ago, but became tired of riding everywhere 'at 100mph'. The Speed Triple is awesome, but I just knew I would end up losing my licence (or worse), so I went with the more sensible and more manageable Speed Twin. Six months on, while I continue to drool over the Triple, I know I made the right decision :)
Another great review & very informative & i totally agree with all your comments but please Triumph bring out the Speed Twin in the Ohlins Edition especially in white & gold? Keep the great reviews coming Fella 👌🏻👍🏻
Thanks, Dave. A Speed Twin RS, or whatever, would be great. Triumph don't seem bothered developing the ST really, do they? All sorts of unnecessary special editions of the other models, but they seem to forget about the humble ST.
@@RocketMan_Moto No worries & yes I've got a 2018 Street triple rs & love it but I also want a Speed Twin so the wife can get on the back + I just love the look of the Speed Twin but with all the reviews I keep reading I'm holding out just in case the bring out an Rs or something like a special edition with trick bits on so you never know? 🙄🤔🤞🏻👍🏻
I get that - I held off buying the original 2019 Speed Twin, because I thought the suspension and brakes were too basic given the price. I don't think we will ever see an RS model, though, but as you say, you never know.
@@RocketMan_Moto Yeah Fingers crossed & if they don't do a Rs or at least one with Ohlins + Maybe different Clocks Coz they would do my head in to much going on with them Clocks? 🙄🤞🏻👍🏻
@@RocketMan_Moto I think Triumph maybe feel they already have a Speed Twin RS version with the Thruxton R/RS?
I always look forward to your reviews and comparisons. I have not ridden a Speed Twin, yet. Last summer I rode the new Speed 1200 RS and although undeniably a faster and lighter bike than the previous 1050 RS it seemed to have lost some of the character of the previous bike. So despite being down on power and a little heavier, I think the 1050 RS is the better bike for the road. Plus imho it looks better with the high level twin Arrow cans. I bought one yesterday. I had set my heart on a new Speedmaster 1200 in 2022, but the Speed Triple 1050 RS came up that was a good deal with only 1k on the clock and a full Triumph warranty. Sold. Just wish I lived some where warm and dry like the Algarve to be able to ride pretty much 12 months of the year ............. Shall have to wait until March at the earliest. Not getting salt and crud all over it riding in crappy UK weather and equally crappy roads.
Thanks, Alex. I have been told that the 'old' Speed Twins were better road bikes. The 1200RS is a fabulous bit of engineering, but a bit mad for the public roads. A bit like driving around in a F1 car. It sounds as if you've got yourself a great deal - hope the weather allows you to enjoy it soon. If it's any consolation, the weather is very poor here all this week. Rain, thunder, dark grey clouds... I might as well be in the UK, lol :)
The 1200 RS is a much better bike than the 1050 RS. I don't know anyone who regrets to have made the jump. The gearbox ratio is a bit lower with the 1050 RS so you might have the illusion it has a bit more character between 3 and 4000 rpm. But it is not really true, and stay a gear lower with the 1200 RS and you will see what bike as more character 😉
@@RocketMan_Moto Thanks for your reply. Yes I am hoping my newly purchased Speed Triple1050RS will be good as I remember it. I am currently debating whether the £287 the Triumph dealer has quoted to fit Triumph's own heated grips is worth it. Me thinks it is a bit steep and just to fit Oxford ones as I have done previously on other bikes. I don't ride in winter but my hands tend to feel the cold. Agree with your observations 100% on the new Speed Triple 1200 RS, so much so that the SDR 3.0 that I subsequently rode felt more suited for the road as the suspension felt more compliant and plush which is saying something!! I think Triumph dropped the ball slightly with their new 1200RS. I would be mighty pissed off if I had bought one thinking this is the top bike only for Triumph to announce another potentially better version the RR with semi-active suspension within a year.
I would still prefer to be in the Algarve than here in the UK even if the weather turned bad for a few days there. The summers are so much longer warmer drier ............... so much more sunshine but then I guess you know this as it is likely why you moved there. The last few days here in the UK have been miserable. Today in Cambs it is a day of heavy grey leaden skies, misty, foggy, very cold and a strengthening easterly wind giving a biting wind chill. Storms, heavy rain or blizzards for Christmas Day and Boxing day. Lovely, not.
ATB
@@alaincaspar2148 Thanks for trying to piss on my enjoyment of my new to me bike purchase. Yes I have ridden the new 1200RS. Are you a track day fan boy as this is the only place you'd be able to full exploit it's potential? I suspect it's capabilities are probably far more than the owners that ride it. I think it is wasted on the roads quite apart from the suspension being too firm for crappy UK roads. Fine on a race track.
The climate is clearly better down here, but I miss the UK sometimes. Covid has made travel very difficult. Oh well, I will just have to make the most of what I’ve got😊
Well Mr RocketMan, that Rocket in the showroom window has your name all over it. I know you have given all your reasons not to buy a Rocket but my guess is we will watching one of your videos reviewing your new Triumph Rocket in 2022.
Merry Christmas (Bonne fête).
Haha, I would buy one to keep as a museum piece, if I could afford one. They are fabulous machines, but a bit silly as an only bike :)
Your last comment nailed it - must be my age - the Speed Triple especially in 1200 cc form is a naked sports bike , an Adrenalin packed mean machine , that only really come's into to its own when you hit the power/speed fine for a an occasional blast on public roads great for track days , as an all-rounder everyday machine maybe not , a Yam T9 or 10 would be easier to live with as an everyday probably , under stated power like your twin is easier to live with , like a Yam FJ 1200 back in the day bit heavy , very rideable , plenty of grunt and power when you got the revs up , but very rideable either as a cruiser or a sports bike , still is with a few suspension up-grades , maybe you found another reason why the Enfield 650 is so popular apart from being affordable ......
The Speed Triple is fantastic, but too much for me as an every-day bike
Just bought a speed triple 2023 and i can say one of the most comfortable bike i have owned handles excellent stops amazing power good and i am 54
Fabulous bike. Enjoy😊👍
What brand of shield is that on the speed twin? Nice video.
Thanks, Wilbur. Not sure what you mean by 'shield'. Do you mean the fly screen? It's from Rizoma.
Can you pls tell us the ground clearance on the speed twin and triple? Also, on Trident, if you can recall. These details are not available from triumph spec sheets online.
I'm afraid I don't know. Several viewers from India have asked me, but it's not really something we worry about in Europe. That's probably why the figures are not mentioned on websites. Sorry :)
@@RocketMan_Moto : Yes, we have a tough time trying NOT to scrape the speed breakers in India. May be, you can measure the GC with a tape or perform a 'coke can' test - place an empty can below the engine oil sump.😀
Oh, I understand now - it's for speed humps. I thought it was potholes. I'll see what I can do :)
Thank you very much! In October i did exactly the same comparison - and ordered a Speed Twin :-) Must be my age :-) (I'm 58)
Haha, same age. Wise choice👍
Interesting perspective. Appreciate the review in the sense of how it feels and ride, rather than throwing numbers around. My question is: how can riders find the metal-needle pegs comfortable? Triumph even uses them on the Tiger 660, which seems out of place. To me they'd be torture devices. Most other bikes that are meant for more than just racing use comfort pegs with rubber inserts.
Thanks for your feedback, Michael :)
Nice comparison of their various ride qualities, but it needs a comparison of their sounds as well.
Thanks, Dave. Difficult to record the sound of a motorbike without sophisticated equipment. I do everything on my phone :)
Can you test drive the speed twin breitling edition??
Not available down here, but I’ve fitted the Breitling’s Öhlins shocks to my Speed Twin now
I'm with you so happy with my T120, But then again I am old!
Nothing wrong with being old :)
I already have the speed twin. Will buy the speed triple next year
Awesome machine
Thank you for sharing. Your comments strike true for me but I'll stick to my Street R even though I'm way too old for its maximum performance. :>)
Lol, I hear you. I sometimes miss my 2017 Street Triple RS :)
I ride a 2020 tiger 1200 with the 1200 cc triple like the speed triple, but it's biased more towards down low torks like the speed twin. Great engine. I scare myself without ever getting into the high revs.
Haha, I get that - my Speed Twin is similar :)
Was at EICMA today and the 2023 Street Triple RS looks amazing !
I love that deep red colour😍
@@RocketMan_Moto I know aggressive yet posh; nothing near the conflictual geometries and tacky graphics that characterize most contemporary designs 😆
Exactly. I'd almost buy one just for the way it looks!
@@RocketMan_Moto 😂
Minor editing issue that could be easily fixed in new videos - up until 5:32 I have no idea, which is Triple and which is Twin. Otherwise great video, thank you!
Duly noted - thanks :)
Interesting comparison. I completely understand why people get sucked into the crazy power thing. After doing a track day, all I wanted for a while was a sports bike, as it's hugely addictive. However, you can't use the bike's performance on the road, and I'd be too worried about binning a 17k+ bike on the track. In an ideal world, I'd have a nice, more comfortable bike for longer ride outs with friends and an older, used bike to sling in a van and go on track with.
This is what I keep telling RocketWife: one bike just isn't enough
@@RocketMan_Moto N + 1 :D
Lol
hi, great review... where did you get the saddle bag you have by the seat
It’s from Decathlon. Originally designed for bicycles.
@@RocketMan_Moto thanks... could you send the model number and how you attached to your bike
Here you go. Attaches to the frame using velcro straps. It could do to be about 4-5cm shorter to fit the Speed Twin perfectly, but you can squash it up a bit :)
www.decathlon.co.uk/p/300-bike-frame-bag-1-5l/_/R-p-120030?mc=8354453
If you were to choose between the street triple and the speed twin, which one would you go for?
Hmm, well I went for the Speed and I know that was the right decision, but I wish I could afford both :)
I own the 2021 Speed Twin absolutly lovely to drive hard in the twisted that nice torque and not to long gearing lets you jump out of corners. I wrecked it tho and maybe get rebuild (depends on insurance) and currently drive a 955i Daytona. The 3 cylinder really pulls but youre allready on 60mph when the power kicks in and you re to fast for normal street roads.
Would like to test drive the 1200 RS tho to see if it also pulla good down low
The Speed Triple is a weapon at higher speeds, but the Twin has more low-down grunt
Hurray for the Twin Speed 🙌
I still wish I could afford both, though :)
Don't now if you'll see this comment, as I am a new subscriber playing catchup with your videos, But really enjoy them. Lot of the other guys reviews are nothing but OMG this is fast does great wheelies and that tends to get old really fast.
Oh yes, I read and reply to all comments😊 Thank you for your kind words of encouragement.
"It's a fantastic bike for half an hour "
Most pragmatic advice ever!😁
Thanks :)
applies to women too
I would love Triumph to bring back a retro triple trident. They would have to design a new engine. A modernised version of the original T160 mill. In between these two machines in this video. Leaning more closely to the speed twin. With the old 120 degree crank pins and that glorious firing order. Like the old Laverda Jota's . Sure it would need a balance shaft to negate vibration somewhat. I'm sure it would sell like hot cakes. If they did it justice like they nailed it with the speed twin.
That would be great
Facing the same questions 2024 between the two. Coming off far too many years riding late 90's superbikes, all designed by Torquemada for maximum stress positions but both Triumph's feel like sofas and so easy to ride. The cost of the Triple is steep, but compared to the other hyper's its a good deal for what you get. Still, the Speed Twin has me bewitched right now.
Both awesome machines.
Reminds me of the comparison between my Bonneville T120 and my Ninja 1000SX.
Sometimes comparing chalk & cheese can make sense :)
The weird look of the Triple is growing on me
I like the looks of the S-Triple and the Power and specs but I'm leaning towards the Speed twin just for leisure cruising so that I can have my daughter or wife as my pillion rider, and I and my wife agree that the speed twin looks very beautiful and eye catching and low ball which doesn't scream look at me.
The Triple really isn't the best for passengers. The Twin is better, but depending on your sizes, you need to watch out for the relatively small seat. I have taken the wife on the Speed Twin once, but it was a squeeze (and she's tiny). I take the Honda ADV 350 if we're riding together. TBH, I wouldn't choose either of these two bikes for passenger duties :)
@@RocketMan_Moto thanks for the advice i keep that in mind. i already have a maxi scoot the yamaha x-max 300 and my wife loved it due to its seats thats very comfortable and wide she commented its like a sofa on wheels, we are thinking to get a second bike thats why we have been looking for it right now and the speed twin really got our attention.
Some old man taking an old-styled bike over one of the best modern nakeds… and i totally agree. Bought a Speed Twin two years ago with 28 years and it was my best bike. Might be old as well :D
Some old RocketMan, if you don’t mind😀
I'm on the fence on either a 2023 Street Twin/Baja Orange or a 2023 Black & Gold Kawi 900 RS Cafe. My Dilemma is My good friend is the sales manager for The Triumph ,and is giving me a good deal, and i'd like to give him the business, the Cafe, is just sweet looking, but for the price, there's just something missing. Decisions, Decisions ?????
They’re both fabulous bikes, but imho, having tried the Kawa, the Triumph just pips it in terms of power & overall excitement. The Kawa wins in the looks department, though… by a hair. All depends on where your priorities lie. Nice dilemma to have😊
Apples and oranges... In the interest of keeping license and life i'd pick the Speed twin. (I have a 2020 Aprilia Tuono factory a.t.m.)
The Twin is the more sensible choice. Tuono Factory is a beast!
Is it only me, but i can't see the scores at the end cause of the video suggestions.
Thanks for pointing this out, I have edited the video - should be better now :)
I also started in 2005 with speed triples and after a further 3 I moved to the thruxton R in 2016 and a Street twin. I am now back on a 765 R you cannot beat the triple howl and looking back my 2005 speedy had less power and more weight. Funny though the 2005 speedy was the best, better even than the last one I had in 2015 which was the 1050 R it was just crispy 🙂
I've heard the older Speed Triples are the ones to have
Interesting comparison and to my surprise I find myself with you on this, I really wanted the Speed Triple when it first emerged and now it's a not really thanks. Although I would have a go on one for a sort ride . cheers : )
It's exactly that. A bit like a Ferrari - fabulous, but do you want all the responsibilities that go with the ownership?
A Twin for me….the Triple is more than I need. The twin may be also. I had a 07 Speedmaster, 865 cc, same basic engine as a street twin, not bad on speed, and with the forward controls, very comfortable, a nicer rake on the forks than current Speedmaster, that are more like the American, of 07- 08 etc….so maybe the Kawasaki W-800, nice retro…..and air cooled. Thanks again.
I agree, the Triple is a bit too much. But then again, most motorbikes are... As you say, nobody really NEEDS the 100hp of the Twin :)
I can’t decide between a Thruxton RS vs Speed Triple RR
Nice dilemma to be faced with :)
It's not that the Speed Triple 1200 engine lacks torque, it's that its 1st gear is stupid long, but it is what it is. Yeah the Triple is a weekend treat. My Speed Twin arrives in a couple weeks. If I understand correctly, the Speed Twin doesn't come with stock adjustable levers?
You can adjust the stock shocks in the Twin for preload only
Agree 100% in terms of the 1st gear ;)
@@RocketMan_Moto Lol was asking adjustable levers, not suspension. Speed Triple has adjustable span clutch, and adjustable span/ratio front brake. Speed Twin has none of that, right? Not sure.
It's a fair point, no need for a naked bike to have a massive top speed, so dropping gearing would more useful.. Not that it's slow ofcourse haha.
@@xorbe2 speed twin has adjustable span for brake and clutch
I own the ST RR. I’m 43. Yes, it is sporty: start going to the gym then. Work your core: abs. I used to have a RS, no gym required. 🤭
The RS is the more relaxed riding position, yes
Sold my ducati monster 1200r for the speed twin. Now I have the same amount of fun on half the speed haha.
Irresistible bike, enjoy :)
nice one ,, the triple is very quick and bang up to date , but it looks terrible with that front end ;;;; at least two thirds of most peoples riding would be at speed twins speed or less ,, so to pay more for less usage of potential ? fine if you want that buzz , but that useable torque cannot be denied gives the twin my vote ,,,
I agree the Triple is not that good looking - ugly eyes, as you say. I would find it hard giving up the Twin's torque.
bikes from different planets that work in the same element!
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Own both bikes. The torque curves are actually the same at low revs (about 100nm @ 3000) but then the Triple just climbs where the twin fades away. So although the twin may feel torquier ……. It actually isn’t
Thanks for your feedback
@@RocketMan_Moto sorry if that came across as arrogant, I’ve wondered the same thing myself, then checked the figures. I think it’s because the triple engine is smoother, so the twin seems to have more bottom end punch. Love both bikes 👌
The triple probably isn’t the best choice from a daily use pragmatic standpoint.
I absolutely love the Speed Twin but if I’m looking to thrill myself the triple would likely be my choice.
Most of the roads around my house are open highway with limits around 75mph
even the country roads in east Texas are 70/75mph and I love pulling through intersection
That’s kind of what I said😊👍
@@RocketMan_Moto I think I’m going Rocket3 though.
A little comfort and a lot of crazy torque
Because I’m really not pragmatic in the least.
Fabulous machine, love the 221 special edition. Not sure I’d want it as my only bike, though😬
Thanks for the great video! I own a speed twin and I had been considering trading it in for a speed triple or thruxton. I really enjoy the low torque on my twin so I think the triple is off the table. What is your thoughts on the Thruxton RS? I would love to see a video comparison of the speed twin and Thruxton RS!
I've only ridden the Thruxton briefly. The engine feels almost identical to the Speed Twin's; it's just the (less comfortable) riding position that puts me off
Sound wise, twin wins every time in my book and HP and torque curve is more user friendly than the triple..
The Speed Twin's torque curve certainly is addictive :)
Think the triples cost a arm and a leg in the uk for a major service . £ 750 + was the figure I heard gulp. No wonder so many in dealers when three years old .
Ouch!
I mean, if aesthetic is the main factor, then nothing else matters,
But on normal uk roads , gotta be the speed twin.
Agreed👍
What a "sad" world if everyone of us just like the same :D
Absolutely
What you said about the torque is wrong : in fact there is as much torque at 4000 rpm with the triple than with the twin (around 110). The only difference is there is so much power at higher rpm with the triple that you feel that, at 4000 rpm, it is just a bit "mild"... but it is not actually. The twin has a very good engine but just nothing to compare. I know because I sold the Thruxton 1200 RS (same engine as the Twin, even a little bit more powerful) to get the Triple. That being said the engine of the Twin is enough on normal road (but will never give you the sensation of the one of the Triple). By the way I am 64 🤪
You’re probably right, but I like to focus on feel rather than statistics, and I stand by what I said: the Triple lacks grunt low down
20222 Speed triple no questions, no competition. 765 looks great snd sounds great but the 765 is to narrow ( total nut murderer), snd the 765 lacks too much midrange and low end grunt in all gears snd also the speed triple is perfect st any speed now.
The 765 Street Triple is a different bike
@@RocketMan_Moto that’s my dyslexia kicking in. I was referring to the twin and wrote triple. I started writing one message, stopped came back in to finish and screwed everything. Up. Yeah. It would be interesting to see a 765 speed twin, lol.
I’ve ridden both. I got a speed twin on loan for a while when they were working on my speed triple 1200, and, knowing full well what the speed twin was, it was just always asking for more gear but I just had nothing to rev to; it was a very short Revving bike. I just would always go for something, like the street triple or speed triple 1200 rs. That’s just me. I loved the street triple but the sizing of the street vs speed triple made me go with the extra power and slightly bigger bike in the speed triple.
I will say, that speed twin was a fun little bike for all around and everything. That bike got horrible gas Mileage for what it was, surprisingly, but otherwise, it was fun, I trusted it to handle ( I would have to raise the pegs but that’s very easy), it was an easy bike to filter traffic, and it was cool going back to actually using a clutch again. It had upsides. I’m not going to totally dump on the bike. Just for me, I love me some speed triple.
Even being the Owner a V4s panigale, mainly because of cost and fear, I am always a little too uptight and paranoid so it is less fun to own because I’m constantly thinking “it’s going to get stolen or molested.” I don’t want any bike stolen but it just hurts a little differently when it is $36k just gone and you know the cops will never find it.
Hey, thanks for the call out, lol. Sadly, I catch myself doing this kind of goofy spaced out typing thing a lot, lol.
Have good one.
@@RocketMan_Moto “shrugging shoulders in self shame.” Sadly, I know this. This is why it helps when you slow down, read, think, then comprise the words one wants spoken, lol.
Im a boob.
Haha, no problem. I had a 765 Street Triple when they came out 5 years ago - fabulous bike, but I grew tired of riding everywhere 'at 100mph'
Ho avuto tutte le speed e l ultima 1050 rs per me era la perfezione !!
Per l utilizzo sportivo stradale !
Ho provato la nuova 1200 rs e l unica cosa è che il motore sopra i 7 - 8 mila giri è una bomba! Ma che utilizzo ne fai ?
Quindi ho provato e comprato la nuova speed twin 2021
E me ne sono innamorato !! Oltre al gran fascino ha un gran motore che nell utilizzo su strada è perfetto !
Tanta coppia come il triple!
Ho messo sospensioni della muppo davanti e di dietro perché vado in viaggio anche con la moglie
La moto è nettamente migliore assomiglia come stabilità a un traxton rs
E molto più comoda anche in 2
I agree. Thanks for your input :)
I miss my 95 Speed Triple 900,,,,,
I've heard that the old STs are the ones to go for