2 things the COT had/didn't have that the gen 6 messed up. The front and rear bumpers lining up properly was awesome, and not having fender flares that tend to create tire rub.
I like the wing better, reminds me a bit of V8 Supercars But I prefer Spoiler w/ bumper over Spoiler with splitter, however these seemed a little strange compared to gen 4 cars as these looked VERY boxy
In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
Donald Roberson ya but looks or functionality are two different things. If the spoiler was 18 inches higher they would be nearing speeds of 260mph on tracks like Dover and Phoenix. Think of a top fuel dragster on a Dover track. The cars would be really tight.
In 2008, I got a Jeff Gordon 1 : 24 die cast for Christmas. I live in Canada, and didn't actively watch NASCAR, but I did like it (as a 9 year old young boy who saw fast looking cars, and did not care or even know about the CoT compared to previous generations). I LOVED the die cast, and still have it. It had a plastic wing that broke off day 1. Some how, I did not loose it, and still have the wing. I never fixed it. Just a neat story from my past.
I’d pay a large amount of money to see Gen 4’s run in one series. Similar to the way Xfinity was slow to change their car designs. The look of those cars is NASCAR there’s a reason it went *relatively* unchanged for sooo long.
I'd pay even more if GM re released the Monte Carlo. I don't know why but the early to mid 2000's Monte Carlo SS stock cars just looked so right. The lines and the stance were absolutely perfect. It all just looked so right and fitting and downright perfect.
Honestly i loved both It described the era of the sport The old boys were heading out and these young kids coming in The gen 4 left and the COT came in
The COT Era is what I grew up with when watching NASCAR as a kid. The spoiler COT Cars were really cool and I loved watching them, but the wing Era was just something different, and I loved it. Wing or spoiler, I just loved the COT Era.
A wing can create negative and positive lift. IndyCars and F1 cars have them. NASCAR simply did not have enough data on the various circumstances that could be created by allowing teams to adjust the wings. Yes it was a poor decision by NASCAR, but not for the reason most would think. The real reason is that they should’ve known that teams would manipulate things in an effort to create better aero.
In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
I will always, always love the earliest versions of the CoT. The splitters and the wings really gave these cars a new feel for the 7 year old self of mine taking them in on TV for the first time. I'd seen a lot of Nascar up until that point but the radically new cars really threw me into it rabbit hole. I was obsessed with the winged designs, and the hard edges into the front end to accomodate the splitter. It all tied together to make those cars ultimately the coolest thing my 7 year old brain had seen. And to this day I still wish I could have seen them in their glory, in the flesh. Great video, as always!
Call me crazy, but i think the COT's had some of the best racing that I can remember of. and I think everybody can agree that 2011-2012 was the overall best era from the COT's
In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
I think what I enjoyed most was that thanks to this aero package (2011,12, and then really got going 2013 to even 2016) was seeing track records tumble. Almost every track record was broken except Daytona, Talladega, and Atlanta and I might be missing one more but still
I loved the spoiler, but blow overs and the redundancy of such a wing on an oval speed blob made them a bad aero choice. BUT they should be a thing for road courses and short track FOR SURE, since downforce plays a much bigger role to keep these aircraft carriers under control in medium speed corners. Would definately open them up to better racing at better tracks.
Reminds me back in 2010 - 2011 when EA lost its license to NASCAR. I was just playing Gran Turismo 5 and man the COTs of 2011 were hella fun to drive in that game it was at a time when NASCAR was at its peak.
My most favorite car series ever! They're what got me loving the sport. The spoiler really made it look like the quintessential race car so I gotta go with that
What? The COT with the wing produced much less downforce than the Gen 4 cars. The winged COT had a lot more sideforce but when we look at the 2019 package that thing had a ton more downforce than the winged COT. Not to mention the winged COT package era had roughly 175-225 more horsepower than the 2019 package lol. Not even comparable.
Brandon Stegall In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
I liked the spoiler with the valence/splitter combo from 2011-2012. I feel like the car looked great and produced amazing racing, especially with the tandoms!
The second version of the COT from 2011 onward I 100% agree was a great looking car and I remember turning on the Budweiser shootout practice and just watching the speeds climb. The exposed splitter from 07 to 2010 was hideous
Myself being a follower of NASCAR dating back over 50 years, it amazes me just how *BIG* the spoilers are with the current crop of cars. If you were to take a look at images of NASCAR racers from many decades ago, the spoilers were barely noticeable along the rear trunk line. The current Cup cars are about the same size as the Grand American pony cars that raced in NASCAR 50 years ago, and the rear spoilers for those cars were about half-sized to what the Cup cars are using in the 21st Century.
To this day I really enjoy the look of the winged COT. For some context, in the early to mid 2000's, I'm sure many remember how popular Japanese sports cars were, as well as modifying said cars, along with American and European sport/compact cars in crazy ways with body kits, wings, paint jobs, whatever you can think of, and at the same time I was just a kid who was really interested in those types of cars and any form of media attached to them. My interest in NASCAR came further down the line, but I remember seeing the cars for the first time in 2006/7 and thinking how cool they looked and the similarities to the previously described modified cars of the time. You may not have been liked by many winged COT, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I personally loved the idea of a wing and the way those cars raced. I also loved the radical look of the exposed splitter. I feel like a type of wing could make a comeback to the current or next gen cars along side more flaps in the back of the car to keep them grounded and we could see some of the best racing ever in stock car history
I think the flips were a combo of the wing and the roof flaps as the cars don't start to flip till the flaps deploy. Otherwise every other race series with wings would the have the same problem.
So I always wondered would those flips had happened if nascar raised the wing another foot or so, allowing more air to pass under the wing when it was backwards instead of creating that huge pocket of air because it was so low. And yes that would have looked awful, making race cars into rice cars but I always wonder if it would have worked
The fun thing if that if it wasn't for the wing stalling out airflow to the roof flaps creating a huge safety risk, I'd prefer the wing overall. As for the racing, idk. I still think it's actually what's happening from the rear wheels back that's causing more issues than anything else right now.
I worked back then for JGR and a standing point of aerodynamic was more effective the Wing but I couldn’t understand why was so refused by fans. Course I was a totally rookie didn’t know the whole story about what a cup car was back in the years.
I still get mad over the finish of the Coke 600 in 2011 because that was the first time I thought my favorite driver Dale Jr. was gonna win, until he ran out of fuel coming off of Turn 4. That still upsets me to this day.
I feel like most people who prefer the wing became nascar fans during the COT era. The splitter is the biggest issue. It creates so much downforce the cars are aero sensitive, and it becomes an issue when any car slides into the grass. Bring back the valence!
I do love the look of winged CoT cars, but I think an issue was is that when it came designing the Gen 5 CoT cars, not much thought came into the aerodynamic side of things. The safety was more the priority of the cars, and when drivers complained about the handling nothing was really done of it til in the later years of the Gen 5 with the switch back to the spoil and the addition of the thicker nose. Just the issue with the wing is that it just wasn’t doing the justice of downforce as say a GT car. If anything the way it was it was only good for producing drag and send cars flying when a car got turned and the air just lifted the car since it had no place to go. If they’d just raised the wings more to where it’d actually do something aero wise and not put the car airborne in a s🅱️in. Like GT4 cars for example. I hell u can put a GT4 type wing on the Next Gen cars and u wouldn’t have to deal with the stupid changing the spoiler size. You’d have one size wing for every track, maybe a lower downforce trim for say Daytona and Talladega, but it would be cool if NASCAR tried again with the wings but had a proper GT3 style wing, it’d probably work a lot better than the CoT wings and still bring style to the Next Gen cars. But sadly I don’t think it’d happen. A cool thought though if NASCAR does it right.
My favorite style cars were pre COT cars. They looked sleek and '02-'06 were my favorite years of NASCAR. At first, i liked the wing but i hated the racing. I laughed so hard when Kyle Busch said the cars sucked in victory lane in at Bristol in the COT's first race back in '07. So i guess my favorite COT is the one W/O the wing. The 2012 COT. But can these tracks go to turf instead of grass? The splitters dig into the grass and demolish the front ends. A valance eliminates that from happening when a car hits grass.
I know some people do have disdain for this era but looking back I quite liked it. I mean 2008 was kinda meh racing wise but 2009 was a big step and the rest of the years followed up really well too.
I actually thought the wing looked cooler but the racing with the spoiler was fantastic. The high COG and lack of downforce really made this era of NASCAR fun to watch.
I remember there was a lot of talk about the wings and splitters were NASCAR's way of forcing drivers to stop bump drafting. Honestly, I think that theory carries quite a bit of water.
I personally loved the wing. I remember NASCAR at certain tracks would switch out the winglets to a carbon fiber winglet or an aluminum winglet. I also love it because it was also sticker space for sponsors. Hate to see it go but safety was indeed important.
I never really cared all that much about what the cars themselves looked like. In retrospect the boxy COT does look strange but in the moment I was just like, "Oh, Jimmy Johnson's winning again ." What I want brought back more than anything else is consistent paint schemes from one race to the next. I know the way financing works that's not very likely but it just used to be so much easier to tell who was who. I was at New Hampshire a couple weeks ago and I lost track of who was where all the time because I just didn't recognize the cars. Make the bodies look like whatever, but make the paint schemes recognizable from one race to the next. As an aside, thanks to iRacing I've really fallen in love with the late 80s cars. Bring those bodies back please :D
I personally loved the wing. Of course it had its safety flaws but some of the best races ever happened with these cars especially at tracks like Bristol, Dover, plate tracks, and tracks like New Hampshire, Michigan, and Auto Club. This is my favorite era of nascar and it was always fun watching and asking who wins this week considering the fact that this was when a lot of unpredictability could happen. Just look at Reagan smith taking the garbage DEI equipment he had and snagging a win at talladega
They needed to put something similar to the roof flaps on the wing and that I believe would have helped with the airborne issue. The new bumpers with that change I think would have looked good and provided some really good racing as well.
Something I've always wondered since the pattern of the winged cars flipping became apparent, was if removing the roof flaps could have helped keep them on the ground.
If all the cars look the same without wraps then you’ve screwed up! Put the stock back in stock cars with high hp and low downforce, get the cars up off the ground and make these guys really drive again
Personally, I think that the spoiler was better because I think if they kept using the wing especially at superspeedways There would’ve been a lot more flips and possibly more injuries. I think going to a spoiler in 2010 was a good choice by NASCAR.
I stopped watching NASCAR not long after the 2009 Talladega race (started watching again in 2017), so I had no idea the COT used a spoiler at any point. I had just assumed in was the Gen 6.
Why didnt they just hinge the wing so that when going the wrong direction, or when enough force was applied, the wing would flip over and let go of the air
Also starting in 2011 no open front splitter. I think if the cot looked like it did in 2012 when it was released in 2007, I think the gen 6 would've been released later and better racing
I LOVED the look of the wings. BUT as we all know, the wing lended itself to sending cars airborne when spun. Maybe bring back wings similar in style to the Charger Daytona?
I think a lot of people have become quite attached to the late 2011/2012 cup cars not only for their stylish looks, bumper and spoiler combination, but also for how damn durable they were compared to their successor, the body of which behaves like its made out of paper machete half of the time.
I don't know why everyone was acting like stock cars never got airborne before the wing came. The cars were way more airborne prone before the wing than during or after the COT. No matter how hard you try, you can not defeat the laws of physics and since lift off speed is between 150-175mph, any car plane or boat going that fast will have a tendency to lift off the ground no matter it's aerodynamic construction
Straight up I liked the wing look as it was different. However I don’t really understand what the wing did differently/ better than the spoiler. It probably wouldn’t happen but it’d be cool to have different setups for different tracks, like for short tracks have the wings, and for the high speed tracks have spoilers.
4:54 Matt Kenseth went from I think 8th to 4th in 2 corners on this restart. That's insane. The CoT I think gets a lot of unwarranted hate. I said this on some other video before, but I believe NASCAR fans blame the CoT for the sport's current recession when it's merely just a symptom of it. Not to mention, the racing was honestly not that bad. Not great all the time, but far from the worst racing ever. It's biggest problem was that the racing was never consistent. You'd have a great race at a track, then it was a dud the next time around. Nonetheless, the CoT was an OK racecar, could've been better, but not as bad as some make it out to be
Idk where all of these commenters were in 2007... because no one at all liked the original COT and I remember the concensus being that the 2011 car was just "better." the tv commentators who have to kiss up to nascar allegedly liked it... but we doubted them tii
Personally, I prefer the spoiler, but also like the wing. If they continued to use the wing in 2011-12, it would not look well, mainly because it would look a little offputting, and it would continue with stability issues.
Both look good in a certain way but when I think nascar I think of the car from dale srs last win at talladega in 2000 with the neon red spoiler and 3 on top with the neon red accent across the bottom of the front bumper. In my opinion that car is awesome. Wonder what he would have thought of the wings
to me the superspeedway COT for 2012 looks soo good, and since I was between 6-7 when the COT wing era was I personally liked the cars but compared to the Gen4 ..., yeah I prefer the Gen4 MILES over the COT wing
"THOSE GIANT ASS SPOILERS" - Dale Earnhardt Jr.
R.I.P his father
Spoilers for superspeedways, wings for everything else.
Shouldn't they be calling it the Car of Yesterday at this point?
The COY
They still use the cot, the gen 6 is just the body. The chassis and everything else is the cot
@@joeywirt7953 honestly not surprised as NASCAR s goal is to make the sport safer
@@joeywirt7953 no more!
i mean, blowovers will still happen if they run wings at other tracks like atlanta
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HA HA HA. I see what you did there.
Get Out! Get the Hell out of here! You went too far sir hahaha
Alright that was a good one hahaha
@Tristan Ellis Gaming lol
God dam why did not mention this anywhere in the the video! Thanks for telling us
To be honest I loved the CoT cars, wing or spoiler in terms of looks, especially on diecast
I miss COT😭
2 things the COT had/didn't have that the gen 6 messed up. The front and rear bumpers lining up properly was awesome, and not having fender flares that tend to create tire rub.
I agree. Especially because I grew up when the CoT was the look in the sport.
I miss the wings they looked epic
I really liked the looks of the cot
I like the wing better, reminds me a bit of V8 Supercars
But I prefer Spoiler w/ bumper over Spoiler with splitter, however these seemed a little strange compared to gen 4 cars as these looked VERY boxy
If Supercars allowed a touch more bumping and banging, they’d hands down be the best racing series in the planet.
The wings always broke off on my diecasts
Normal person: *Hey, this Diecast Is all ruined and broken*
Me, an intelectual: *Nah Bro Its a Burton Gordon crash S I G N e D recreation*
never did with mine. so sorry dude:(
Glue. Lots of glue
How, I have a ryan newman car with a big spoiler that I used to try to destroy (because I loved crashing dicast cars) and the wing is still on
Devyyon but they looked like gt cars which are dope
I still love the 2011-12 Dodge Charger Cup car.
So you also love the Camry, fusion, and impala?
@@ThiccRicc The Fusion and Camry are, okay. The Impala is pretty nice.
@@whoasked9500 my point is that it's all the same except for the paintjob
@@ThiccRicc Not the headlights and tailights.
In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
I actually really liked how the wing looked on the CoT.
In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
@@jonp5090 Idrc, I just like how it looks.
Donald Roberson ya but looks or functionality are two different things. If the spoiler was 18 inches higher they would be nearing speeds of 260mph on tracks like Dover and Phoenix. Think of a top fuel dragster on a Dover track. The cars would be really tight.
@@jonp5090 Functionality isn't something I'm worried about since it's just an aesthetic preference.
@@donaldroberson7659 you say that till a driver goes oof
In 2008, I got a Jeff Gordon 1 : 24 die cast for Christmas. I live in Canada, and didn't actively watch NASCAR, but I did like it (as a 9 year old young boy who saw fast looking cars, and did not care or even know about the CoT compared to previous generations). I LOVED the die cast, and still have it. It had a plastic wing that broke off day 1. Some how, I did not loose it, and still have the wing. I never fixed it.
Just a neat story from my past.
I’d pay a large amount of money to see Gen 4’s run in one series. Similar to the way Xfinity was slow to change their car designs. The look of those cars is NASCAR there’s a reason it went *relatively* unchanged for sooo long.
I'd pay even more if GM re released the Monte Carlo. I don't know why but the early to mid 2000's Monte Carlo SS stock cars just looked so right. The lines and the stance were absolutely perfect. It all just looked so right and fitting and downright perfect.
Honestly i loved both
It described the era of the sport
The old boys were heading out and these young kids coming in
The gen 4 left and the COT came in
None if this would matter if the Cars weren't areo sensitive
When your going 190 aero will always be an issue tho
Spoiler easily. Smoke vs Edwards homestead 2011. I rest my case
Crazy how the wings were only around for 2 full seasons and 2 partials. Felt like an eternity at the time
Personally I prefer the 2010-2012 spoiler era of the COT because I believe the racing was better in those years.
Yeah but the wing fit the body better
The 2011-12 cars looked amazing but the first time I followed NASCAR full time was in 2009, so those winged cars will always be my favorite
The COT Era is what I grew up with when watching NASCAR as a kid. The spoiler COT Cars were really cool and I loved watching them, but the wing Era was just something different, and I loved it. Wing or spoiler, I just loved the COT Era.
Wing = Dangerous disaster ahead
Spoiler= safer, tandem drafting at superspeedways
Wing= fun racing
Spoiler= safer but the most boring plate racing I have ever seen
Near all race cars use wings.
@@WALTERBROADDUS most race cars arent pack racing at 200+ but I get you
2011 was the first full time season I watched until 2019. DAMN I was spoiled, that year was great!
Haha I see what you did there lol
Wings are called wings for a reason... They make things fly... *Mind blown* 🤯 lol
WEEEEEEEEEEEE -Ryan Newman
@@GatoradeCupSeriesX94 Ryan Newman gave Rocket Man a new meaning.
A wing can create negative and positive lift. IndyCars and F1 cars have them. NASCAR simply did not have enough data on the various circumstances that could be created by allowing teams to adjust the wings. Yes it was a poor decision by NASCAR, but not for the reason most would think. The real reason is that they should’ve known that teams would manipulate things in an effort to create better aero.
In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
Carl Edwards in Talladega.
I will always, always love the earliest versions of the CoT. The splitters and the wings really gave these cars a new feel for the 7 year old self of mine taking them in on TV for the first time. I'd seen a lot of Nascar up until that point but the radically new cars really threw me into it rabbit hole. I was obsessed with the winged designs, and the hard edges into the front end to accomodate the splitter. It all tied together to make those cars ultimately the coolest thing my 7 year old brain had seen. And to this day I still wish I could have seen them in their glory, in the flesh. Great video, as always!
2010 was my first year as a fan so that look with the exposed splitter and normal spoiler will always have a special place in my heart
Call me crazy, but i think the COT's had some of the best racing that I can remember of. and I think everybody can agree that 2011-2012 was the overall best era from the COT's
The best racing happened 1997-2007
In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
I think what I enjoyed most was that thanks to this aero package (2011,12, and then really got going 2013 to even 2016) was seeing track records tumble. Almost every track record was broken except Daytona, Talladega, and Atlanta and I might be missing one more but still
I loved the spoiler, but blow overs and the redundancy of such a wing on an oval speed blob made them a bad aero choice.
BUT they should be a thing for road courses and short track FOR SURE, since downforce plays a much bigger role to keep these aircraft carriers under control in medium speed corners. Would definately open them up to better racing at better tracks.
I loved the CoT, the design is just awesome to look at
Reminds me back in 2010 - 2011 when EA lost its license to NASCAR. I was just playing Gran Turismo 5 and man the COTs of 2011 were hella fun to drive in that game it was at a time when NASCAR was at its peak.
The wing looked cool
But You can never beat the spolier
NASCARFAN93100 agree the wing was cool looking, plus extra spot for a sponsor. But with the wing there was so many flips
You know when some people say how cars just look like toys. Almost every time I see the COT, I see that thought applying to it.
My most favorite car series ever! They're what got me loving the sport. The spoiler really made it look like the quintessential race car so I gotta go with that
Can we just acknowledge how he used the Hate Me instrumental
Both? Both. Both... Both. Both is good.
Spoiler looked so good with the redesigned front end. Something about the boxy look. That thing is PERFECT! At 4:51
Dale Jr's National Guard COT was one of my personal favorites from that era
The crash at 2:35 made it look like in IndyCar
Anyone that says wing deserves the 2019 package.
What? The COT with the wing produced much less downforce than the Gen 4 cars. The winged COT had a lot more sideforce but when we look at the 2019 package that thing had a ton more downforce than the winged COT. Not to mention the winged COT package era had roughly 175-225 more horsepower than the 2019 package lol. Not even comparable.
Brandon Andrews I never liked the winged cot because it got rid of the gen 4
I’ll proudly take the 2019 package. Much better racing
Brandon Stegall In 2009 they got rid of the spoiler, and it was the most competitive season yet. Dick Trickle used to take his off in the late 2000’s because the drag would take away his speed. All you need is a higher bumper and radial tires to make the rear stick.
No it doesn’t I don’t want chase in fence
That COT Model looked like a Xfinity Series Car
I liked the spoiler with the valence/splitter combo from 2011-2012. I feel like the car looked great and produced amazing racing, especially with the tandoms!
The second version of the COT from 2011 onward I 100% agree was a great looking car and I remember turning on the Budweiser shootout practice and just watching the speeds climb. The exposed splitter from 07 to 2010 was hideous
Myself being a follower of NASCAR dating back over 50 years, it amazes me just how *BIG* the spoilers are with the current crop of cars. If you were to take a look at images of NASCAR racers from many decades ago, the spoilers were barely noticeable along the rear trunk line.
The current Cup cars are about the same size as the Grand American pony cars that raced in NASCAR 50 years ago, and the rear spoilers for those cars were about half-sized to what the Cup cars are using in the 21st Century.
To this day I really enjoy the look of the winged COT. For some context, in the early to mid 2000's, I'm sure many remember how popular Japanese sports cars were, as well as modifying said cars, along with American and European sport/compact cars in crazy ways with body kits, wings, paint jobs, whatever you can think of, and at the same time I was just a kid who was really interested in those types of cars and any form of media attached to them. My interest in NASCAR came further down the line, but I remember seeing the cars for the first time in 2006/7 and thinking how cool they looked and the similarities to the previously described modified cars of the time. You may not have been liked by many winged COT, but I'm sure I'm not the only one.
I personally loved the idea of a wing and the way those cars raced. I also loved the radical look of the exposed splitter. I feel like a type of wing could make a comeback to the current or next gen cars along side more flaps in the back of the car to keep them grounded and we could see some of the best racing ever in stock car history
I think the flips were a combo of the wing and the roof flaps as the cars don't start to flip till the flaps deploy. Otherwise every other race series with wings would the have the same problem.
The wing was also used on Lightning McQueen in cars 2
So I always wondered would those flips had happened if nascar raised the wing another foot or so, allowing more air to pass under the wing when it was backwards instead of creating that huge pocket of air because it was so low. And yes that would have looked awful, making race cars into rice cars but I always wonder if it would have worked
The name of the background music is very appropriate
The fun thing if that if it wasn't for the wing stalling out airflow to the roof flaps creating a huge safety risk, I'd prefer the wing overall.
As for the racing, idk. I still think it's actually what's happening from the rear wheels back that's causing more issues than anything else right now.
I like the spoiler in the 2012 car but the 2008 national guard amp Chevrolet was looking pretty good with that wing
I worked back then for JGR and a standing point of aerodynamic was more effective the Wing but I couldn’t understand why was so refused by fans. Course I was a totally rookie didn’t know the whole story about what a cup car was back in the years.
I still get mad over the finish of the Coke 600 in 2011 because that was the first time I thought my favorite driver Dale Jr. was gonna win, until he ran out of fuel coming off of Turn 4. That still upsets me to this day.
Never forget how beautiful the Nationwide/ xfinity series bodies were during this time!
COT era remember my childhood and when I start to watch NASCAR in 2008.
I feel like most people who prefer the wing became nascar fans during the COT era. The splitter is the biggest issue. It creates so much downforce the cars are aero sensitive, and it becomes an issue when any car slides into the grass. Bring back the valence!
I do love the look of winged CoT cars, but I think an issue was is that when it came designing the Gen 5 CoT cars, not much thought came into the aerodynamic side of things. The safety was more the priority of the cars, and when drivers complained about the handling nothing was really done of it til in the later years of the Gen 5 with the switch back to the spoil and the addition of the thicker nose. Just the issue with the wing is that it just wasn’t doing the justice of downforce as say a GT car. If anything the way it was it was only good for producing drag and send cars flying when a car got turned and the air just lifted the car since it had no place to go. If they’d just raised the wings more to where it’d actually do something aero wise and not put the car airborne in a s🅱️in. Like GT4 cars for example. I hell u can put a GT4 type wing on the Next Gen cars and u wouldn’t have to deal with the stupid changing the spoiler size. You’d have one size wing for every track, maybe a lower downforce trim for say Daytona and Talladega, but it would be cool if NASCAR tried again with the wings but had a proper GT3 style wing, it’d probably work a lot better than the CoT wings and still bring style to the Next Gen cars. But sadly I don’t think it’d happen. A cool thought though if NASCAR does it right.
My favorite style cars were pre COT cars. They looked sleek and '02-'06 were my favorite years of NASCAR. At first, i liked the wing but i hated the racing. I laughed so hard when Kyle Busch said the cars sucked in victory lane in at Bristol in the COT's first race back in '07. So i guess my favorite COT is the one W/O the wing. The 2012 COT. But can these tracks go to turf instead of grass? The splitters dig into the grass and demolish the front ends. A valance eliminates that from happening when a car hits grass.
I know some people do have disdain for this era but looking back I quite liked it. I mean 2008 was kinda meh racing wise but 2009 was a big step and the rest of the years followed up really well too.
Mechanic grip will be awesome because it won’t really be aero depent and if we have a cup composite body it will be awesome
I liked the big wings. I thought the splitters from 08-10 were okay, but I didn't really like the cables. The ones from 11-12 were good though
I actually thought the wing looked cooler but the racing with the spoiler was fantastic. The high COG and lack of downforce really made this era of NASCAR fun to watch.
wing looks very drag-like car, that’s why I love it ❤️
I remember there was a lot of talk about the wings and splitters were NASCAR's way of forcing drivers to stop bump drafting. Honestly, I think that theory carries quite a bit of water.
Then why'd they make the front and rear bumpers align perfectly!?
The COT look was 100000% designed to cash in on the tuner car hype after the first few fast and the furious movies.
I honestly love the wing
I personally loved the wing. I remember NASCAR at certain tracks would switch out the winglets to a carbon fiber winglet or an aluminum winglet. I also love it because it was also sticker space for sponsors. Hate to see it go but safety was indeed important.
I never really cared all that much about what the cars themselves looked like. In retrospect the boxy COT does look strange but in the moment I was just like, "Oh, Jimmy Johnson's winning again ." What I want brought back more than anything else is consistent paint schemes from one race to the next. I know the way financing works that's not very likely but it just used to be so much easier to tell who was who. I was at New Hampshire a couple weeks ago and I lost track of who was where all the time because I just didn't recognize the cars. Make the bodies look like whatever, but make the paint schemes recognizable from one race to the next. As an aside, thanks to iRacing I've really fallen in love with the late 80s cars. Bring those bodies back please :D
The wing broke off on my 2009 Jeff Gordon 1:24 die cast, so I made a spoiler out of electrical tape and it looks like a 2010 cot post-martinsville.
I personally loved the wing. Of course it had its safety flaws but some of the best races ever happened with these cars especially at tracks like Bristol, Dover, plate tracks, and tracks like New Hampshire, Michigan, and Auto Club. This is my favorite era of nascar and it was always fun watching and asking who wins this week considering the fact that this was when a lot of unpredictability could happen. Just look at Reagan smith taking the garbage DEI equipment he had and snagging a win at talladega
They needed to put something similar to the roof flaps on the wing and that I believe would have helped with the airborne issue. The new bumpers with that change I think would have looked good and provided some really good racing as well.
The CoT is basically you going in Forza and slapping on the forza front lip and wing aero lamo
Something I've always wondered since the pattern of the winged cars flipping became apparent, was if removing the roof flaps could have helped keep them on the ground.
The only wing I like is the 1969 Dodge Daytona
Ive loved the wing and still do
Funny enough i just came back from seeing all those COT prototype pics only to see this vid on my reccomended.
I feel like this body style could be re-used for an American V8 Supercar series or a NASCAR Super Stock League
Is this why the racing Cruz ramirez had a spoiler?
I might have to go with the wing, just because that’s what they ran at New Hampshire in 2007 at my first nascar race
If all the cars look the same without wraps then you’ve screwed up! Put the stock back in stock cars with high hp and low downforce, get the cars up off the ground and make these guys really drive again
Man I thought the wing looked so cool. 😂 The ugly part was the front splitter.
The rear wing looks cooler to me.
If there was a flip or terrible crash in 2007/2008 due to the wing, I bet the spoiler would’ve been right back on the car in 2009.
I love how the wings look tbh
Imagine If The Gen 6 Car Had A Wing On The Car Still To This Day ?
No image the gen 6 never happened
It would probably look something like this images.app.goo.gl/Pro7DU3vemPzhMKc8
@@evannuh-koo-la4054 That's Pretty Sick
Personally, I think that the spoiler was better because I think if they kept using the wing especially at superspeedways There would’ve been a lot more flips and possibly more injuries. I think going to a spoiler in 2010 was a good choice by NASCAR.
I stopped watching NASCAR not long after the 2009 Talladega race (started watching again in 2017), so I had no idea the COT used a spoiler at any point. I had just assumed in was the Gen 6.
Why didnt they just hinge the wing so that when going the wrong direction, or when enough force was applied, the wing would flip over and let go of the air
Wing definitely does look cooler in my opinion
Also starting in 2011 no open front splitter. I think if the cot looked like it did in 2012 when it was released in 2007, I think the gen 6 would've been released later and better racing
The wing on the cars were very cool
I LOVED the look of the wings. BUT as we all know, the wing lended itself to sending cars airborne when spun. Maybe bring back wings similar in style to the Charger Daytona?
I think a lot of people have become quite attached to the late 2011/2012 cup cars not only for their stylish looks, bumper and spoiler combination, but also for how damn durable they were compared to their successor, the body of which behaves like its made out of paper machete half of the time.
I don't know why everyone was acting like stock cars never got airborne before the wing came. The cars were way more airborne prone before the wing than during or after the COT. No matter how hard you try, you can not defeat the laws of physics and since lift off speed is between 150-175mph, any car plane or boat going that fast will have a tendency to lift off the ground no matter it's aerodynamic construction
The wing just made it a lot easier, but agreed
Straight up I liked the wing look as it was different. However I don’t really understand what the wing did differently/ better than the spoiler. It probably wouldn’t happen but it’d be cool to have different setups for different tracks, like for short tracks have the wings, and for the high speed tracks have spoilers.
4:54 Matt Kenseth went from I think 8th to 4th in 2 corners on this restart. That's insane.
The CoT I think gets a lot of unwarranted hate. I said this on some other video before, but I believe NASCAR fans blame the CoT for the sport's current recession when it's merely just a symptom of it. Not to mention, the racing was honestly not that bad. Not great all the time, but far from the worst racing ever. It's biggest problem was that the racing was never consistent. You'd have a great race at a track, then it was a dud the next time around. Nonetheless, the CoT was an OK racecar, could've been better, but not as bad as some make it out to be
Idk where all of these commenters were in 2007...
because no one at all liked the original COT and I remember the concensus being that the 2011 car was just "better."
the tv commentators who have to kiss up to nascar allegedly liked it... but we doubted them tii
Heck even Darrell Waltrip criticized it
Personally, I prefer the spoiler, but also like the wing. If they continued to use the wing in 2011-12, it would not look well, mainly because it would look a little offputting, and it would continue with stability issues.
Both look good in a certain way but when I think nascar I think of the car from dale srs last win at talladega in 2000 with the neon red spoiler and 3 on top with the neon red accent across the bottom of the front bumper. In my opinion that car is awesome. Wonder what he would have thought of the wings
I liked both of it, CoT cars look really cool with both of it
to me the superspeedway COT for 2012 looks soo good, and since I was between 6-7 when the COT wing era was I personally liked the cars but compared to the Gen4 ..., yeah I prefer the Gen4 MILES over the COT wing
the spoiler had the best look and racing. 2011-2012 was the best years for it, the racing was incredible and the cars looked cool.