Chess Cheating Scandal or Sore Loser? | Magnus Carlsen / Hans Niemann Controversy Analysis
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One other significant fact here: After an impressive win, commentators often interview the winner and quiz them about their strategy, move-by-move. As a top 50 player, Hans has won many games, and been interviewed many times. However, after this game with Magnus, Hans' interview was utterly incoherent. He seemed to have completely forgotten which other moves he considered throughout most of the game. These games last for hours, and require intense concentration and memory. Forgetting what happened in the game is simply NOT possible. This is why every seasoned chess fan immediately became very suspicious, even in the absence of a smoking gun... no matter where it was holstered.
I had an FIDE rating of over 1800 when I played tournaments at the University of Toronto in the seventies. I used to be exhausted after some games, and it took a while to recover. Carlsen is a lousy champion and he should man up and shut up. There are many great players who play more interestingly than Carlsen, including Lasker, Capablanca and Fischer, to name a few.
OS - That last line is evocative! 😑
He also had a 100% match to the chess engine in a 45 move game. Not to mention his mentor also admitted to cheating.
I think Carlson is aware that there is no smoking gun, but is just forcing more scrutiny on Hans for future games.
Hans speaks for himself.
@@AfroGaz71 why do it only after he lost tho,
Two ,every one knows hans cheated on online chess. This isn't a secret . He and the other gms didn't seem to care while they where pushing hans around few weeks ago.
Did hans cheat over the board against magnus or not ? That's the real claim .
Everything else is just drama and useless.
There's a lot more to this story. Magnus has been playing and losing for over two decades, so it's not that he's a sore loser. But the main thing is that this wasn't out of the blue. Hans was a concern of many other super grand masters, who felt that the security measures against Hans were not up to par. After the game against Magnus, Hans gave terrible analysis, unable to communicate his decisions the way that would be expected of a top player. (Which kind of puts his phrase of "The chess speaks for itself" and then walking away into perspective.) One more thing, Hans and Magnus played two games at the beach a month before, Magnus with black. And Magnus was just in another level. So that must of also played a part. Especially when you also consider the fact that computer analysis has Hans currently playing better than the peak of any chess player in history. These things are red flags.
Thank you, that’s very helpful. Gratefully, Dennis
@@dennisossianderrmplmtcst2053 You're welcome.
awesome explanation for a change, thank you
Anecdotal info is interesting and makes for good theatre and my trigger red flags or investigations etc. but doesn’t make for solid arguments and or eventual reality! Cheers !
Hans' play record actually shows normal statistics. He exceeds himself on some days, and plays less well for his rating on other days. If there is cheating OTB, then it is done very selectively. Even for this however, there have been no indications. Lastly, how would you even suggest he would have done it, without the world champ seeing it right in front of him?
The thing to me is that someone who is a long-term player of a game of skill, knows when someone is cheating. They might not be able to say exactly how/what specific method is being used, but they know it’s going on. Experienced tournament players of video games or experienced online gamers often pick up that a certain person has to be using a bot. When somebody has worked his or her way to highest levels of competition, you won’t find an insinuation of cheating being thrown carelessly about by any means. It actually takes a great deal of courage to actually call out cheating since it’s impossible for the accuser to prove. Therefore, they’re taking great risk with their reputation if it’s interpreted as and attributed to being a sore loser or troublemaker.
Except when the accuser is part of the establishment and has the backing of the entire chess world. This alone makes him anything other than "courageous" to make an unproven accusation against an outsider who has no institutional support. The main argument that accusers like you can be reduced to this: Hans isn't good enough to play a perfect game, and Carlson is too good to lose to him. Therefore, Hand most likely cheated. If this is going to be your logic, then don't bother having Carlson play anyone who isn't ranked in the top 2 or 3 (in other words, an opponent who is considered at least somewhat near Magnus' level) because if the opponent wins, he's automatically a cheater.
@@dereksbooks No human can play perfectly past a certain level of complexity. Hans will also attest to this, and has also admitted cheating in some of those "perfect" games. So by your definition of his accusers, Hans is accusing himself. Like almost all of Niemanns defenders, you are not exactly helping his case.
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I know, right?
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This is quite absurd, I am not sure the doctor even realised that this was just a joke. As for actual ways Hans would have cheated OTB, there are no clues at all. Only some ideas, as his watch might be a magician's tool, he might have something odd hiding in his shoes or elsewhere in his clothes. But, none of that is likely to make much sense.
I swear i thought he was going to say “now moving to the timeline of the crime.” 🤣 Love ya Doc ❤🙏🏽
He might have needed a splice there?
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I thought someone was murdered
It hasn't gone that far...yet.
I think one of the weirdest oddities was Hans' rebuttal after being questioned about preparing for an opening Magnus had never played. A day after this occurred, during an interview Hans said "The opening WAS played by Magnus vs Wesley So in the London Chess Classic 2018". He said it clearly, succinctly and confidently without hesitance, and actually brought the topic up himself. Neither Wesley So nor Magnus Carlsen played in the London Chess Classic in 2018. They did however play 1 game in the London Chess Classic 2017, but the opening played was a polar opposite to what Magnus played against Hans (Carlsen - So was a Spanish, while Carlsen - Niemann was a Nimzo with absolutely zero transpositions). Why after having a day to reflect would Hans bring up a game that did not exist?
It also demonstrates a capacity for deceptive statements, which he has proven before, or an incapacity for clear thinking - both of which do not put him in a favorable light.
So he is guilty based on it? Not a good line of thinking. Suspicion just warrants an investigation not a verdict of guilty or not. Everyone is wasting their time overthinking it. Where is the evidence? It is like a murder was committed in USA but the person was living in London at the time. Has video tape of himself working in London at the time. Yet when they talk to him it sounds suspicious.
Hans IS cheating. I follow chess, and it's obvious.
Carlson has played and played against Nimzo in the past though. Hans likely misremembered when it happened. Here is the long and short of it- A reputed cheating investigator verified Hans' performance and found no proof of cheating. Now, a lot of people are claiming his system is flawed, but what proof does Carlson have?- nothing
I dont know much about the case but as mantioned by Dr.Grande Hans did confess cheating twice -did he got any penalties for that?If not why not?
Where I work we have cellular/WiFi dead zone rooms for research and testing. Very nice inside with couches and furniture. They could build some of those for tournaments. I’d be interested to see how Hans would manage if he was playing inside a room like that unawares. Could speak volumes. If he is cheating he could become quite flustered, and if he’s not cheating he should be cool as a cucumber whether or not he wins.
Another idea would be to offer a large monetary reward for the person who can prove they were feeding information to Hans from a computer. If you make the pot sweet enough someone might come forward. And if no one comes forward it strengthens Hans’ case that he won fair and square.
Clearly, a new protocol for chess tournaments held in an environment that blocks all external radio signals. They could be called "Cage Matches" in reference to the the Faraday cage concept.
I think it would be more interesting if they just competed nude after cavity searches.
That's an excellent idea. It would certainly stop future cheating by electronic devices.
Faraday Cage Match XD
Hell in a Cell(phone) complete with thumbtacks on the floor
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Playing chess naked is dangerous. You could end up bashing your bishop on the table.
Have you seen chess boxing? Honey...if Magnus Carleson was sitting at a table in nothing but his natural pieces the popularity of viewing chess would...er...explode.
Women chess tournaments would increase in popularity immensely
I believe Hans cheated while playing with Magnus and Magnus knows because he's just that good (as well as Han's proven track record of cheating). Hell Han's old chess teacher was also caught cheating two times!
I believe Magnus reviewed the game in hindsight and saw where the cheating took place, and once he understood……
The flip side of the "Magnus has lost before" argument is that when he has, he didn't accuse the winner of cheating. Obviously, there was something about that game in particular that set off his spidey senses. And if I were higher than a 1400 player I would explain what that was. :)
Good point about the flip side. And for you younger folks, once upon a time thete were these music discs* that turned around. On the 45 remained kind.....
Well I was a 2640 Grandmaster at my peak twenty years ago and I have to say that this is one that has really divided the chess community. I would say that on the balance of probability he did not cheat in the St. Louis game but the real problem is Hans has already admitted to cheating twice and more and more evidence is coming out which suggests it’s a lot more than that both online and OTB.
The sad thing is I do actually believe Hans is a very gifted and talented player but for some reason doesn’t understand how damaging and wrong cheating is - as they say TRUST takes a lifetime to earn and seconds to lose.
mine was 13
He has a history of being a sore loser though.
This was actually the first time someone almost 200 elo below Magnus beat him in classical with black and then mock him in the interview. If you don't agree, tell me another person who ever did that to Magnus!
Not sure if I agree with your last point about probabilities. The chance that he would cheat is entirely dependent on how the game was played. It wasn’t losing alone that caused the accusation, it was the patterns in movement and behavior similar to that of a chess engine.
Hi Dr. Todd,
You may have seen the news about recent cheating scandals (i.e. Ned Fulmer, Adam Levine) i would really like you to analyze the ned Fulmer case and provide your insight on ways you might be able to profile a cheater long before you enter a relationship with them (i.e. maybe cheaters across the board are all narcissists, maybe a majority are thrill seekers and so on)
Thanks!
Dr. Todd, the thing you’ve COMPLETELY MISSED, and it’s huge, is that Magnus has LOST a number of times in the past. In his ENTIRE CAREER, after those losses he has done one of two things, OR BOTH of the two things: 1) BLAME HIMSELF and very specifically describe his mistakes, and/or 2) COMPLIMENTED the EXCELLENT STRATEGY used by his opponent. He NEVER “blamed” his opponent for cheating. He has encountered actual proven cheaters ONLINE, and in those cases where he was streaming and commenting he calmly explained that his opponent was playing way above their “rating”. If you are actually considering PROBABILITIES, you MUST CONSIDER TWO KEY POINTS: 1) you are analyzing the undisputed #1 Chess player in the world, bar none, and arguably the best to ever play the game, 2) that player DOES NOT have a habit of BLAMING OTHERS. Quite the opposite, he criticizes HIMSELF.
You were calm, and spoke clearly but when it came time to make a decision based on likelihood & probability you ignored the two most important aspects from Carlsen’s perspective: 1) his knowledge (and intuition) of Chess and 2) his long history of complimenting, often younger, players and placing blame where it belongs, himself.
Can't prove it though so it's just speculation. People also do things that are out of character. He could have also had many people in his corner telling him his opponent was cheating and thus believed it to be fact without any need for evidence.
Well said. Hans IS cheating. I follow chess, and it's obvious.
I think the best analysis is the percentage of his moves that match Stockfish's top suggestion. In many cases, it was 100% I saw one game from agadamator where he played a positional masterpiece... Even Agadamator said it was amazing how good/deep it was, he kept coming up with the #1 suggestion from Stockfish... Crazy... Unless it was Stockfish.
They don't need to be naked... Just in a FARADAY CAGE!
I'm glad to see someone say this and say it well
@@jaymike3302 I agree. I also saw something where an A.I was tasked with looking at his game with Carlsen to see if he was cheating and the A.I suspected him of cheating. I dont know if it was IBM's A.I or Google's A.I. But if it was IBM's A.I that says a lot more because Watson loves Chess.
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Just a reminder, I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video; only speculating about what could be happening in a Sicilian Defence like this.
Can you please cover a very similar controversy which happened in poker recently involving Garrett Adelstein? Almost identical in terms of there being no smoking gun but suspicious enough for a very calm and seasoned player like Garrett to accuse his opponent Robbi Lew of cheating. Would be fascinated to hear your opinion on the matter. Much love.
Something my boyfriend told me (i don’t really follow chess) is that Hans was consistently ahead of Magnus the whole game. Usually there’s some swing back and forth as players make suboptimal moves but Hans ALWAYS made the optimal move which is highly unlikely. But i guess it is still possible!
Something your boyfriend forgot to tell you was that Magnus also made a couple of really bad moves which were out of the ordinary on top of Magnus also did a random opening which he himself has never used 🤦🏻♂️
every move Hans made was perfect. thats why it was so sus
There were a series of games where Hans played with greater accuracy than Kasparov, Carlsen and Fischer at their peaks. I have no idea if he cheated in the game against Carlsen (I have string grandmaster friends who think he did not) but based on the engine analysis he very likely cheated WAY MORE than he claims to have and should be disqualified for those reasons.
Never did I think I’d see the day when I could kick back and enjoy some chess drama, but the day is finally here. Revel in it, my fellow nerds, for it may be a long time before we see such a moment again 🍻
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Agreed.
Appreciated your analysis here but was surprised by your opinion that Hanz did not cheat and Magnum just lost. I think the preponderance of evidence goes the other way. Either way, you raise the most important point which is how to ensure cheating doesn't happen as technology develops. In this game, a player's integrity is the most important element of their play if the game is to be a true battle of wits.
There’s zero evidence of cheating just speculation.
Theres plenty of evidence which suggest that Hans cheated but theres 0 proof that Hans cheated... so Hans is innocent until someone has actual proof.
@@PersonVoid I disagree; this is not a court of law. It's a sport. To have a known (or suspected with "plenty of evidence") cheater in your tournament threatens its integrity. I think the onus is on Hans to explain the evidence.
"this isnt a court of law" 😂
I’d say it’s not impossible he beat the No.1, but chances are so low combined with his previous record is hard for people to believe he didn’t do it. My 10 year old is obsessive with chess. On rare occasions, he can beat player with higher rankings. Because blunders happen and it hard to recover from mistakes in a game. Unless Carlson made a very bad mistake, there’s no way he can be beaten. 400 score difference for over 2000 players is very huge.
Their difference in age can explain the points difference. Carlsen is a wimp and most of his games are boring shite.
I was thinking maybe he just got lucky, but didn't want to reveal it.
Its also important to consider that it is possible to play better than your rating in certain games.
Hans IS cheating. I follow chess, and it's obvious.
Totally Agree!
Yeeesss!! Thanks for going over this Doc. Great video as usual. 👍🏼
I was really hoping for more cheeky references throughout this video 😂
Interesting video. Could you Dr. Grande do an analysis on Judge Aileen Cannon?
Thanks for covering this. Obviously, there is more to this case than can be covered in a short video. As the situation develops a plethora of new evidence and analysis by the chess community has come forward, such as analysis of the quality of his games measured against the preferred moves of the computer. It appears that many of his over the board games match the computer exactly, which is statistically almost impossible, not to mention achieving several 100% games. Cf. videos by Hikaru Nakamura and others. That to me was the final nail in his career's coffin. It's the strongest evidence of cheating yet, although no direct evidence of how this was done can be found
If you're referring to the analysis made by Yosha, it has been debunked.
Maybe he’s just really that good, I never realized how childish chess players were until this drama happened. It’s like a contest for GMs to see who can get on their knees fastest for magnesium
this is hackish PR for crybaby Magnus and is devoid of truth... won't stop people from believing it though.
As Camilo Hiche mentioned, your comment and Hikaru Nakamura videos are based on the video made by Yosha and that video has a lot of flaw and issues, easy to discredit, that analysis is trivial and incorrect and those so called 100% correlation games are simple not true, in short words that video by Yosha has been debunked and you can not expect a fair outcome by vias content creators, and Yosha admited to feel bad that Hans played better than him (Yosha).
Great video. I liked learning a little bit about chess. You always give just the right amount of background information
Neither too much or too little. Just right! 🎯
Yes. I noticed that too. There were various points at which he could have taken a turnoff into the weeds, but he stayed on course and didn't go there.
Just enough detail, but not too much
And regarding the idea of nude chess for the sake of security, how many of us ladies would absolutely follow chess more if Magnus Carleson played in the nude? I would never miss a game.
To preserve the integrity of chess, it's of paramount importance that players play nude.
In women's chess, perhaps they could finish off with a bit of mud wrestling.
Sign up the Botez sisters and I'm sold.
@@eadweard. - the first PPV chess game!
My husband, a chess player, was hocked at how little the federation believes people are cheating when they do it all the time My husband has lost to cheaters and it is frustraiting and unfair. Losing on skill is fine but losing via computer online cheating is just discouraging as what's the point? When proven this needs to get harsher treatment. the ease of cheating is another drawback to too much misused tech to be honest right up there with social media. LOL
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On October 4, 2022, the Wall Street Journal published an article offering additional evidence in this case. I would love to hear an update if this article has significantly impacted your analysis. Thank you.
Thanks for another great video Dr Grande ❤️. I'm listening from Brisbane, Australia.
Glad Dr. Grande explained why it matters the color when playing, I was so confused and wondering what makes a difference haha
It's always great to hear your opinion.
One tiny error, the clip that was posted by Magnus, was of a Portuguese coach, not a player.
Yes, and an extremely famous coach as well!! I'm astonished that Dr Grande hasn't heard of Jose Mourinho 😳
This former chess club nerd appreciates your very apt and insightful analysis. Thank you.
Magnus Carlsen has lost games before without complaining about the game or accusing anyone of cheating. I don't know about this one either, but if Carlsen makes these allegations, there's a chance it could be true. Since Niemann has cheated before, often, I would say that means he's cheating now.
Been waiting for this!
As always, a balanced and considered analysis of the situation facing the chess world. The denouement will be very interesting either way. Thanks Dr Grande.
I honestly believe Magnus. I'm sure someone like him would immediately recognize something was off.
Yes let’s all trust magnuses “gut” rather than evidence
Something was definitely off. He was getting his ass whopped by a someone ranked lower than him. Obviously they must be cheating.
@@swn32 "Something was off" "He was rated lower", irrefutable proof you have i see.
He probably heard the "buzzing" sound- if you catch my meaning ;)
Hans Niemann looks like a "villain" in a Renaissance painting!
Just as there are blood tests to protect against performance enhancing drugs for athletic competitions, there could also be physical tests prior to chess competitions. (anal probes included) Have competitors in uniforms issued at the event.
Nobody will play if they institute body cavity searches or anal probes.
@@jamesmevans2225 feel free!!
You suggest chess payer to be anally checked before every game?
I've noticed that in any sport or competition that if other professional players/ participants think somebody was cheating, they probably were. Because they know what to look for and if something seems fishy.
those are my thoughts exactly; i.e. most drivers say they don't speed until they're pulled over by the police; that situation, of course, is a selective thing. on top of that: assuming that Carlsen has better advisors-- and training resources, than his competitors, that's a situation that creates unfairness as well. so, to enjoy chess, you more or less have to think about its entertainment value like the WWF.
HN has a long history of games where his moves correlate perfectly with the top chess engines suggested moves. Many games with 100% correlation.
Guilty.
What unusual timing for such a similar situation to be happening in poker concurrently... Thanks for a great video, I was hoping to find something thorough but easy to understand
Dr Grande, how do you do all the research and then prepare such a coherent and intriguing presentation ALL the time!❤
Actually, it's impossible. He must have a whole production team.
I have been studying Dr. Grande's videos for many years and the only explanation I can ascertain, is that he is using a vibrating sex toy in his rear quarters, so to speak.
Vibrating beads connected to the internet, silly
In this case, he research was flawed.
As a balance of probability it appears Hans is being overboard. However there a lot of nuances to this chess cheating controversy. Its well known in professional chess circles that cheating has become rampant, and players of very high rating have also been indulging in it. The other factor is that Magnus is definitely not a sore loser; in fact he's lost individual games even recently while winning overall tournaments. Theres is no reason for him to be upset on losing a preliminary round match against Hans and pulling out of the tournament in a huff, as it appears on the outside to have happened. In fact he had a point to prove to the world after that occurance, and in a subsequent tournament, the Julius Baer cup, he conceded his only game against Hans by resigning, but went on to play the rest of the tournament very strongly, winning by a very large margin in the preliminary rounds, and emphatically in the final. Reading between the lines Magnus appears to be saying he is making a statement about cheating on behalf of the chess community; who else but the foremost chess player has the credentials to make such a statement? The other thing Magnus is stating is that chess as a compititive game will die if players use chess engines on the sly to go forward in their rankings, especially when playing in super GM leagues. Magnus has the intuition to understand behind the scene goings on, and in touch with people in the same circles who would otherwise not talk openly. Its not smart to simply dismiss Magnus, or offer false sympathy to Hans, especially if the system has been covering up for the misdeeds of the latter.
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Dr. Grande,
When you have time can you please revisit Terry Shiavo case from the 90's? I was a kid when it happened.
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Dr Grande. I’ve been a fan for a bit and I just want to say that I love you you analyze problems thoroughly and take in information objectively. Your channel is an absolute must.
Exhibition tournament 👌 👀 😆 🤣
Good one. Nerd humor at its finest.
Revisited this one 2024. One of Dr. Grande's very best!
I have only one question for you Dr Grande!! do you ever sleep? You deliver great content at an alarming state.
While no one can know for sure, I think it is likely that Hans cheated. I base this on most of the very things you mentioned: his lack of concentration, his inability to describe his strategy, his previous cheating history (we know he's not allergic to cheating), and certainly his rapidly improved score all make me skeptical.
As for the future of chess, I don't think I'd be interested in "exhibition" games. 🤣
Greetings Dr. Grande, would love to hear your opinion on a similar Poker Controversy between Garrett Adelstein vs. Robbie Lew! Thank you.
Great analysis!
It would be a different situation if Magnus had any kind of habit or track-record of accusing people of cheating. But he doesn't. On the other side of the divide, Niemann *does* have a track-record of cheating, which he readily admits.
not the only one cheating online at GM level. And below that level... let's not be hypocrites, please
DIDNT EXPECT THIS VIDEO HAHA
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Why
And yet it’s fascinating.
Good afternoon, Dr. Grande. 🙂 Great analysis, especially 12:38-12:58..😂..Thank you & have a nice afternoon! 🌵
I would like one of these vibrating morse code devices. For chess-cheating purposes only of course.
You should have also pointed out that Magnus had refused to defend his world championship title unless a specific player would have won the candidates tournaments in order to challenge him and that player did not win. And this demonstrates Magnus is finding excuses to retire from chess all together. He is simply finding excuses to get out of the game and his career
No, he was just not interested or motivated. Playing Nepo again was not on his list of interesting ways to spend his time. He wanted something different, new - a new challenge. He has said for many years that he'll stop playing when it's no longer enjoyable for him.
He is not a person who shrinks from a good challenge, he relishes it.
Why does he need excuses to leave chess?
@@viveviveka2651 in a couple years from now, Magnus will not be in any chess games, we will only hear from him like we do Fischer and Kasparov.
magnus is fading out of the limelight.
if magnus really wanted the highest level games he would play only computers to relish. your thesis is bullshit.
@@danielmanahan692 Total BS, troll.
@@anitamiller7960 pay attention to the history and eccentricity of all the world champions. Especially Fischer and his stupid demands. Kasparov and his accusations of cheating from the computer team and joel Benjamin in that match.
Champions don't want to exit quietly. They want excuses.
I give magnus 2 more years and he will disappear.
I've been waiting for this!!
Love that I just learned about this yesterday, and then you give us full coverage one day later! Magic!
Always up to the minute with the goods!
Please cover the Ned Fulmer of Try Guys cheating scandal
"new meaning to exhibition tournament" take my upvote doc you earned it
What kind of mic setup are you using? Also, nice summary of this scandal!
Now that Summer season is ovee in Greece i can relax,voice of drGreande is so soothing
There are several other details that have come to light recently that were not mentioned here. As players comb over Hans' past recorded games looking for evidence, they've found strange spikes in close correspondence with top engine moves, meaning Hans was at points playing almost exactly like the best computers in the world. Carlsen himself, along with other super GMs, only correlate to about 80% of the computer's top moves at their very best, and while this percentage fluctuates, it does not display as much volatility as Hans' history. From what I gathered Hans' recorded games deviate from most of the world's top players, so unless he has discovered a new way of thinking about the game (which may be possible with close training with top computers not accessable to players in the past), it seems reasonable to be suspicious of his recent monumental rise in rating. His lack of statements during this process also screams a little foul, unless he really does think there is no reason to defend himself. As always, Thanks Doc for a great rundown of interesting topics.
So Hans is an Android?
It would be an easy thing to check now and in the future if players cheat with electronic aids. A thorough physical examination is what is needed.
Rectal exam
I respectfully disagree. If chess starts being played naked, everyone is a winner
Good morning Dr Grande. I personally don't like chess , I've tried to learn it but I have more patience watching paint dry. Those who have success live in an ivory tower , and like too play a hissy fit or two. Thank you Dr Grande. Excellent analysis and informative topic.
If you have more patience watching paint dry than playing chess, you obviously have a concentration issue. No concentration required for paint watching.
It's better playing with other people and having someone teach it to you. It's pretty stale on a computer screen, especially if you have ADHD.
Hi again CT! I play "Spades". It's more my speed!
Love your content a lot Dr. Grande! It seems controversy is the best way to promote chess.
Or ruin it?
@@bthomson How can you ruin chess though? Perhaps the big leagues, but chess is too popular to be ruined.
The game of chess is like a sword fight; you must think first, before you move.
Irrelevant platitude.
Cheating could be brought to an end with the following protocols:
1-every player is searched before every game, including their clothing
2-no jewelry is allowed to be worn
3-nothing is allowed on the body except for clothing
4-restroom breaks are watched by an official, including going into the stall with the person
5- over the board play is counted in ELO ratings and internet play is not counted
6-anyone caught cheating at any age receives a lifetime or ten year ban
7-electronic surveillance equipment is used in every tournament to look for electronic cheating
Great analysis
I play backgammon, we don’t have much of a problem with cheaters
You should see how bad cheating is in the tic tac toe circuit
What is Magnus’s baseline losing behavior? That might shed some light on his credibility. History gives us lots of valuable information. An interesting one. 🤔 Thanks, Dr. G!
I just read another comment that answers your question. The comment said that Magnus has lost games over the years and he 1) will blame himself for his mistakes and/or 2) compliment his opponent on an excellent strategy. For him to make an accusation is significant.
@@nbrown8386 Yeah, I agree. His baseline reaction to a loss is with grace. I've seen him lose many times and he doesn't come across as entitled at all.
@@ACivilBeast Which is why he really screwed the pooch on this. Patience and just a tiny bit of humility - all this would probably be found out and resolved by now. Hans would be off the circuit and it would be done. But no, Magnus had to be a bitter boi and get his chin up over it. Then, after it gets all hot when there's no word, he just releases a roast opinion with implication, completely avoiding the game in question.
Magnus did this to himself, I'm kind of tired of hearing everyone holding him up as some chess hero anymore. Frustrated or not, he has ruined the reputation of chess when it should be the person who cheated that could have ruined it, while someone like Magnus saves it. Oh well.
You cannot compare Magnus's past behavior because the people he played in the past were respected players. Hans is an arrogant brat which is probably why Magnus played bad and Hans calling that out was what drove Magnus over the top and called him out for cheating
He at times reacts strongly to losses, appearing visibly frustrated and/or refusing to show up the the press conference after the game. However, he has never previously withdrawn in the middle of a tournament, or accused his opponent of cheating following a loss.
« The truth is that there is no way to know (10:25). » This is an extremely complex paradox, or even a contradictory: if there is no way to know the truth, then dr. Grande can't know for certain that the truth itself is a concept for which there is no way to fathom it. (Yes, all this talking about high level chess moves brought a philosophical mood to me 🤔)
Jose Mourinho is not a player, he's a manager
You could defeat a lot of cheat techniques by having the match take place inside a Faraday cage. This would block signals from electronic devices that could transmit moves.
EXHIBITION TOURNAMENT lol I’m dead 😂
What's funny about that?
Edit: Oh I see.
Hans is also a huge fan of the character "Raymond Reddington" from "The blacklist" series, which gives huge insight into his mindset.
Thanks Doc !! :)
A spicy story, indeed.
What made Carlsen suspicious was the lack of Nieman's focus in critical positions. He mentioned in a Norwegian interview from August his concerns about cheating; a grandmaster only needs a few hints per match to win. He also mentioned long ago the threat of cheating, and the fact that suspicion of someone cheating would negatively influence his game play. This is why I believe he withdrew from that game.
Hello Gr.Grande. I have read about this subject. My only question is why one will cheat, attention, money or fame, and so on. But (my thoughts) is that in your mind you know you did not win, so what is the joy of winning. Best Regards
Jose Mourinho (the Portuguese soccer coach featured on the tweet posted by Magnus) is very famous coach that is a household name in many countries in Europe. He's not a soccer player, although he was once upon a time, and he became famous as a coach.
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Phenomenal case analysis and video, as always! 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
The real issue is that it's relatively easy to cheat online; many grandmasters rated higher than Hans Niemann have been banned for cheating online. But cheating over the board is incredibly difficult and, in the absence of some mechanism in which it could have occurred, it's impossible. There are already many protocols to catch cheaters in real tournaments so, without evidence, the correct assumption is that Magnus simply lost. There were errors in both his play and Niemann's play in that game which are evidence that no one was cheatig.
you are right, almost all cheated online at some point. problem with hans is he admitted it
@@josemanuel947 So does it mean people should never admit cheating online?
@@jonydanie1941 i just wanted to express that, although many did, only he admitted it openly. and yes, my english maybe not good enough, but i keep trying.... have a nice day
Security otb is not that good so it’s not that hard
@@animefan7424 not one single person has described a way in which Niemann cheated in his game against Carlsen. It's all variations of "well he cheated online when he was 16, and he's really good, so he must have cheated OTB".
So, there are some facts missing here.
The opening sequence was unusual, but it was a transposition (meaning different move order, but the same position gets reached) from the Catalan, one of Magnus most often played openings.
The elo rise was fast, but underwhelming in terms of elo gained per game, he just happened to play more games than anyone else. The rise coincides with him finishing highschool and studying chess full time. Lastly both his rapid and blitz rating have risen at the same pace. It's generally considered to be the case that it's not possible to cheat in blitz and bullet as moves are often played in less than a second, no time to get any meaningful input from a chess computer. Hans Niemann is in fact one of the best players in the world in fast chess variants, which does speak for good intuition. Magnus Carlsen is also an example of that, in contrast to someone like Fabiano Caruana who is stronger at classical timecontrols. Overall strength at fast chess variants correlates very well with classical strength.
The game was the usual level of Hans Niemann according to several GMs and Magnus blundered in the opening, as well as not capitalizing on Niemanns mistakes. He had the opportunity to force a draw, which he didn't take.
The a-priori probability for Hans Niemann to win against Magnus Carlsen with black is ~5% given their rating difference. Given how often they play (and Magnus mental state in that game) a win had to happen eventually. Just a week prior, Magnus Carlsen won every game against Hans Niemann in the Crypto Cup. If he did not, it's likely that the same would have happened there instead. So focusing on the probability of winning this specific game is misleading. The probability of winning at least 1 game would be appropriate.
Dr. G and the chess drama - that sounds like a lot of fun (;
Oh goodness, the description of using Morse Code signals via an anal bead to cheat at chess made me laugh out loud! 😅 And it’s not the least bit funny. I can’t imagine wanting to win anything that badly.
It's also relatively impossible, it's extremely difficult to sit comfortably with a vibrating anal toy inserted. People who actually consider it possible have no idea how difficult and noisy it would be!
Would playing nude catch an anal bead if there was one?
How about pumping drug free urine up your....or making your blood so thick with red cells that you need a monitor to stop you from dying in your sleep?
That’s called flying by the seat of your pants....😊
I'd imagine it would be terribly distracting lol
Somebody can say:
Cheater once - cheater always.If Hans did sooner or later he will be caught -its up to authorities to provide safe environment for players and eliminate any possibility for such behavior. Thank you Dr.Grande for another great analysis.
Your demeanor is great….but disagree on a couple of statements….but hey..I feel so calm I’m not going to mention my disagreements. Thanks for this video !
As a member of a chess club here in louisiana i found this fascinating. What a story...
The speculation speaks for itself
Meaningless.
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I can't help but believe that Hans cheated, which would have been incredibly infuriating for a player like Magnus Carlsen.
It was incredibly interesting when you said how "High level chess players can burn hundreds of calories during an extended chess match." And how intellectual processing comes at a physical cost!
Your videos are always extremely fascinating, Dr. Grande!
actually, Magnus played very badly.
They could always play wearing a suit of armour. This would act as a Faraday cage blocking any electronic signals plus add to the aesthetic of chess. Failing that the chess world may have to brace itself for the body cavity search before tournaments.
Security (body-check) also 'a must' now for all indoor games. Chess games are now 'elevated' to world championship levels, that seek champions - so rules should be tightened, accordingly to please fans. ;D
Please do an analysis of Chester Bennington!
Cheating exists, but so do people upset about younger people winning. Without proof it's just his word against the other guy beating him.
Except Hans admitted to cheating in the past. Doubt he just stopped all of a sudden.
@@neighbor4772 Carlsen is a wimp and a poor ambassador for chess, playing too many boring games.
Magnus loses to lower rated and younger players all the time and this is a first
Brutal as always Doc 😂👍