This was an excellent explanation of exactly what happened. The graphics that you are now using in your post production or increasing the understandability and your production value has dramatically improved. This is excellent use of this medium and you deserve to be recognized for it.
Such a tragic event which happened because of negligence and greed with very little accountability. Terrific analysis. Thanks for sharing this. Appreciate you.
Thank you, Dr Grande. I was a home care nurse in that area for many years have driven on that road multiple times, it is treacherous. I have visited the memorial next to the beautiful country store Apple Barrel, it is very sad and heartbreaking to be standing on the very site where so many beautiful young lives were taken. 😢
Sounds like the passengers were really uneasy, if only they would have gotten out while he was pulled over but likely didn’t want to ruin her birthday. Such tragedy for the poor families.
Another suberb analysis by Dr. Grande. I still am bingewatching the Doctor's entire "complete works" (I was pretty late to the show). My husband jokes that Dr. Grande will soon have me as the subject of one of his videos, to be titled "Russian Wife struck with Grande Compulsion Sydrome Forgets to do the Washing-Up." Well, I guess it sounds funnier in Russian. With best wishes and hopes for peace from Moscow.
If you read the NTSB report, they did extensive testing on an exemplar Excursion. They loaded it with the same weight and did partial system failures like front brake failure, rear brake failure, ABS failure, and power assist failure. In every scenario it was able to stop in well under twice the distance of an unloaded Excursion with the same failure. They also did brake dynamometer testing simulating the hill and various failures. Under all simulated conditions, the vehicle was able to stop at the bottom of the downgrade. This was not a "more people than the vehicle was designed for" issue. It was simply in disrepair. Crimped brake lines, leaking brake lines, seized caliper pistons, etc.
I had not heard of this awful tragedy… My heart sincerely goes out to all of the victims and to all of their families.. I am a retired commercial truck driver, heavy equipment hauler, & instructor… Omgosh this is absolutely unfathomable.. I 100% agree with your take on the necessities to regard CDL license holders just as strict as DOT laws are for truck drivers… CDL license holders who drive stretch limousines, bobtails, even some uhaul self moving trucks, should all be geared towards the same strictness as truck drivers… Im in a particular state where DOT laws are one of the most strictest… Our weigh stations will place the rig out of service and the driver cannot move, or they will be arrested… I agree this is a multi-failure of the system.. It is not just one bad failure, but a multitude of critical failures that resulted in such a horrific and devastating loss of these people.. 💔 What can be said about this owner being a free man, and having no conscience as to the deaths he clearly caused is deplorable… This was really so hard to hear, but Tysvm Dr. Grande for getting this story out… I would sincerely hope that new laws would be put in place to prevent such a heart wrenching event to ever take place again… 🕊🤍🕊
I view it as any number of fail-safes could have worked to save lives. The driver knew the vehicle wasn't safe too.. The ABS slight stayed on? That is not normal, and any driver with that many souls onboard would refuse to drive it; instead it seems like he drove it like he stole it.
I understand it was allowed to move with stock brakes. A Vice-grip was installed to hold a brake line component. By a supposed licensed mechanic. No less.
I had a CDL and worked for Werner Enterprises for about a year. If they could smell the brakes then the driver should have stopped right away. If the brakes get hot enough they will not work at all. I'm guessing that the brakes were being used excessively on a vehicle that was far over it's weight threshold. Chances are that the standard excursion brakes were still on the vehicle. If you add that much more weight to a vehicle you need to add bigger rotors and bigger calipers to adjust for the weight increase. It's possible that the brakes locked up in a clamp down state if the master cylinder was faulty. That would create a smell for sure. But I think that the brakes were just too small for all the weight that they were trying to stop. If the truck had been driven like that for several years or even months the brakes were definitely worn out. That would have led to them failing for sure. I'm not sure why someone with a CDL wouldn't know how brake systems work. It's pretty simple. Plus the smell would be a pretty good indicator that something was wrong. The owner of the vehicle should have fitted the right brakes on a vehicle that big carrying that many people. His disregard for it being judged out of service was criminal and results were deadly. He should have gotten 1 year in prison for every death that happened in that crash. 20 years sounds about right for this level of negligence. I hope that the civil cases leave him broke or chase him out of the country. Who needs professional paintball players anyway?
My brother's good friend and his wife were two of the victims of this terrible accident. They left behind a young son (their first and only child) who will never remember them. I have always wondered what really happened because there was such speculation, including murder-suicide, drug causes, assassination, nefarious tampering of the vehicle, etc. Thank you for clearing all of this up. Between the brakes failing and the weight of the vehicle, what happened perfectly makes sense. It came down to the first law of motion: a body in motion at a constant velocity will remain in motion in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force.
Happened not too far from me, and a treacherous stretch of road. Driver would have built up speed without pressing gas pedal. The judge has refused the plea deal and this will still go to trial. State Supreme Court Justice Peter Lynch said the arrangement was fundamentally flawed. He gave limo company operator Nauman Hussain a choice between withdrawing his guilty plea and accepting a 15- to 48-month prison sentence, the maximum possible term for his role in the 2018 crash. That is from a local paper, The Daily Gazette.
@@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki Clash of cultures, "the disciplined law abiding" against "non emphatic selfish behavioral". I do not understand how it is possible that previous he was sentences to community service. An extension of having a pass on safety as a former FBI informant? Letting such people lose in American society regardless their persona of having non compliant behavior and values. Still 15 years is nothing compared to the lose of 20 souls. To my opinion it is the most severe form of "giving a s**t and don't care about others in a manner that makes it murder. He know the risks, but still chose to ignore it, that makes it murder in my book.
You were VERY correct, that the limo went OUT OF ITS WAY to get to the intersection, where the Apple Barrel store is located. However, I am disappointed that you failed to mention the fact that locals are FULLY AWARE of how deadly that intersection is... tractor trailers had actually been banned from taking that route for many years before the limo crash even took place. The combination of 1) the steepness of the hill, 2) the weight of the tractor trailer's cargo, and 3) the T-shapped intersection, requiring a stop... had been NOTORIOUS for the brake failure in perfectly healthy tractor trailers. This was a known fact, a VERY IMPORTANT fact which is worth mentioning.... because, the fact of the matter is.... this limo company took a vehicle that they knew 1) had an already KNOWN failed brake system, 2) had an excess amount of weight, 3) OUT OF THE WAY to this NOTORIOUSLY DEADLY intersection.... The combination of these facts speaks VOLUMES about intent, in my eyes, that this crash was a PLANNED EVENT. These facts will no doubt come out in court. So yes, in your next video please don't leave this important fact out. You can look it up yourself, it's a FACT tractor trailers had been banned from that route for MANY YEARS leading up to this crash. And I am SURE that the driver was fully aware of this. Regardless of anything, I can guarantee you that the party DID NOT "change their destination" to the Apple Barrel store.... that would make 0 sense.
I don't recall hearing about this at the time, but the saddest part, in my mind, is the fact that there were so very many opportunities to prevent this from happening. It makes me sick to my stomach to think so many individuals could have done the right thing (actually do the brake-work, confiscate the driver's license, not use the unsafe vehicle, etc) and protected 20 lives. In my opinion, they are all guilty, all the way back to the first failure to act.
Dr Grande I always enjoy your videos as I learn so much. Thank you for all of your hard work. It's truly appreciated. Saying hello from New Jersey 🇺🇲🌎🇺🇲
I never heard about this tragic accident until today. I watched the family's story but was never clear of the details that caused the crash. You answered all my questions and more. Thanks,Dr G!
You provide details that are not given in other videos. You give a clear description of pertinent facts. There never should have been such a light penalty!!
Great analysis Dr. Grande! I’m amazed at the function of the criminal justice system! ! A negligent parent can go to prison for life end and yet in this instance the kid who owned the limousine company didn’t do any time. Great take away though of why the prosecution proceeded as they did though.
He got something wrong. The deal was rejected by the judge at the sentencing hearing for being outrageous, so there is a trial set for next May. There is no way he will get off without jail time now.
You got something wrong. He pled guilty and that sentence was the agreeded upon deal, but at the sentencing the judge rejected the plea as basically a ridiculous miscarriage of justice so the guilty plea was withdrawn and there is a trial set for next May.
I love the rare occasion that Dr Grande does a video that includes something I’m very familiar with (I’ve owned dozens of Excursion limos) because I keep waiting for him to say some silly info he found online and he never does! It gives me confidence in him on topics he covers that I have no understanding of lol
I'd like to bring up the possibility that if diesel powered the vehicles engine "ran away". High mileage poorly maintained diesels can start to consume their own engine oil and can be very difficult to control. They will run at a RPM well above the governed redline, screaming or howling. A witness stated the vehicle's engine was loud, almost sounding like a jet.
On a side note, the businesses and finances sound a lot like money laundering. Anyone else get that impression? Thanks Dr. Grande, i remember when this tragedy happened but don't recall having heard the outcome for the guilty parties
The driver, drunk. The brakes, broken. The company had been previously reported but somehow remained in business? My prayers are with the children and grandparents now will raise their grandchildren.😭😭😭😭
Wild I'm originally from Amsterdam but live in Nevada now. I don't recall my family telling me about this! How sad, I feel awful for the families involved. Amsterdam is a small town, I imagine that hit them hard 🥺
Thanks, Dr. Grande, for the transfixing commentary on our "out of service" licensing & judicial systems. Not to mention the entirely corrupt FBI (Hunter's laptop anyone?) & the victims it ensnares, perpetuates, enables & protects. 20 lives obliterated = "community service"? That in itself = a toll of incalculable, devastating dimensions. My heartfelt sympathy for all of the collateral victims of this horrendous crime. 💔⚖
Dr Grande this was a very tragic loss Omg 😫😪 am so sorry that 20 persons could have been living their best lives and that will never be so. Shocking!!! Everything you stated was very clear and correct couldnt put it better Sometimes there's no justice .
The intersection where this vehicle was supposed to stop but couldn’t is ripe for this kind of accident. I’ve been to that restaurant at the scene many times. The road the limo was traveling on is sloped downward toward the intersection. If someone was coasting down the hill and expecting to brake at the stop sign, a brake failure would be devastating, as we saw. It’s disgusting that the father’s informant status has allowed this family to escape responsibility for so many things. The father is really the person operating things behind the scenes.
Nice ute, Dr. Grande! That's what we call trucks in Australia. ❤️ So very sad hearing the driver had been pressing on the breaks for his life so hard it deformed his shoe/ left a print on the bottom. Those poor friends.
As a owner of a car service company 2 things stand out first how old the car was and the unbelievable amount of weight in the car it was a disaster in the making.
Dr. Grande, have you ever done a video on Jared Fogle, the subway guy? I don't believe you have and I would love to hear your opinion on the whoke thing. I remember when he was arrested for CP, I didn't really keep up with the case or know the details but I assumed he searched for CP on the dark web and had it stored on his computer. BUT 😧 I was so wrong. That case, which I already thought was incredibly messed up, is about 100x worse than I had imagined.
What a messed up story. Great case for explaining why I am very uncomfortable with strangers driving a vehicle I am in. Lots of people are at fault here, but Hussein was the lynch pin.
5 years probation? That guy who was married to Dalia Dippolito served 2 years in jail and was on probation for 28 years for defrauding investigators and had to payback restitution. But this freaking guy got 5 years probation for negligently killing 20 people and he doesn't have to pay court ordered restitution smh. There's some serious flaws in the justice system for sure
Sounds like the throttle cable got stuck on full open. The driver tried to brake, was too freaked out to think of anything else he could do. Quickly shift into neutral. When the vehicle comes to a stop, make everybody get out and distance themselves before the engine blows up.
I learned about this on tv! The scenario scared the crap out of me, and since then I've also shared ot with EVERYONE. Always be prepared, even for uncommon situations.
I drive the route the limo took fairly frequently. It's a treacherous hill, as it steadily gets steeper and steeper over the course of about a mile from the intersection with Route 7. It's hard to explain, but the hazard is not apparent immediately. Even though I am familiar with the road, I worry about having difficulty braking in my work van if I am going just a bit too fast at the top. The driver of the limo did not know the road, clearly, and given the extreme weight of the vehicle and its inadequate brakes, it's not a surprise at all that he lost control. When I drive that road I routinely look for spots along that stretch where he could have potentially ditched the vehicle to try and stop it, but there really aren't many good options. The stop sign at the bottom of the hill comes quick, even at 45 mph.
Hussain not only had contempt for the law, he also had contempt for his customers who unwittingly hired these death traps to ride in. How many of his other vehicles are in disrepair and have safety concerns?
Sean Wilson thanks for sharing that tidbit. I didn't know. Years ago when I lived in Ky. I was flying down the highway and I heard this knocking noise. So I pulled into a full service gas station. The mechanic there said it was my motor and do NOT drive the car have it towed. But I called my mechanic who recently just worked on my car and he told me that the "gas station" mechanic doesn't know what he's talking about it could NOT be the motor if it was he would of known when he worked on my car. He told me to drive back. I did. And where I lived? Thank God it was a small one light own because my breaks went out. I could not stop the car. And I freaked out. I threw the car in par by using my emergency parking break . And got a slam. I didn't know what else to do and I was so scared. Thank God for that little town where the speed limit was only 35. I can't imagine having to slam my car in park to get it to stop if I had be going 65mph. Thank you. I don't tend on this ever happening again but if it ever does I will remember this don't slam on the parking break put the car in neutral, You may have just saved someone's life with your comment. Not everyone knows to do this. Thank you so very much.
@@thekurtcobainfoundation4200 I'm glad if I even help one person with that comment. The engine will probably continue to rev, it won't be moving the transmission, but if it's still red lining the engine you'll want to move away from the vehicle, too. This is a good idea if the brakes fail too as you'll lose momentum. Throw the ebrake as you get closer to stopping if you need to or as soon as you can if you need to stop more immediately. It won't show you down as quick as you like but it'll be slower than just ramming into something at full speed. That had to be scary though. My friend's wheel flew off while he was driving and he was able to downshift to stop without sliding out of control because he was in a standard.
Such a terrible tragedy, and on many levels could have been avoided! Loved hearing your thoughts on this case, especially towards the end! He absolutely should have been sentenced to time in prison!
12:25 Very likely -- and reinforced further by the "punishment" he ultimately received from this case. Professional paintball player that drives an Infiniti SUV? Difficult for me not to make assumptions about his character here; however, I'll refrain. 😂 Out of curiosity, I'm interested in knowing who the father is & what his ties were. Then again... Maybe I really *don't* want to know...
The last half mile on Route 30, before it intersects 30A, is so steep that I would never take that road. I felt so nervous going down that steep hill to a stop sign at that intersection that I took that way once and never took it again. The long way around has practically no grade. I don't even want to think about that projectile of a limo going down that road. I'm sure it went airborne at some point. So sorry for all those young lives lost ...😢
Thank you for being a voice for the victims and their families. This guy showed no regard for others. Balanced. Brilliant.🥇💫 May I suggest this for your analysis? Tom Philpott of the 1981 documentary 'Boys for Sale'
I need a Tundra to tow my car to the race track. But , it’s too big and hate driving a truck . I’d only drive it to the track and never for errands, and I don’t have a indoor spot to park the trailer . 🤷🏽, Dr Grande mentioned he had a Tundra 😅
UPDATE: the judge who granted Hussain the plea deal retired. He was replaced by another (clearly MUCH BETTER judge, in my opinion). This new judge threw out Hussain's plea deal and is currently coming for him HARD in court!
10/6/22 License wasn’t suspended due to Clerical Error. Numerous violations Disaster waiting to happen. Month prior failed inspection a Boot should of been placed on it, until repairs done & new inspection to insure vehicle safe to use! Multiple people responsible for this Tragedy to have taken place! Many people Failed by not making sure vehicle Was safe for use!! My Heart 💔 goes out to Victims & Families🌹 imo much more at play here with FBI involved w/Owner.
Hi Dr Grande, I'm not sure where people should put their suggestions. I was hoping you'd be able to do a video on self harm? I believe this is something people should be educated on and I would love some of your insight on it
This informant fee crap plus preferential treatment really stirs my ire! Truthfully I have little respect remaining for the FBI anyway, PRIOR to this video. One family lost all four of their daughters, including the “birthday girl.” Justice was not served in this case at all!
Who manufactured this unsafe at any speed vehicle? Was the vehicle modified (lengthened) after production- if so by whom? Lots of product liability issues here. Very sad case.
@@eadweard. Possibly. I'm not going to listen to it again, though. All I heard was a description of the length, but not how this was achieved, or what company was responsible.
@@somethingelse4424 Drum brakes suck a bag of a**. Had them. They might not work in rain AT ALL. Thank god I was on a bike and still had a clutch. They either don't stop well, or they grab wrong/lock and slide out from under you. I've never had that on disc brakes. If price is no object, I'd have Bremos. They work ridiculously well on a Ferrari (track day), which is still at or over 4k pounds. They are very expensive, tho. This thing had a cap of towing 10k pounds, but that doesn't include pass weight. Should have had much heavier/larger brakes.
I don't know how you made it through "the list of failures here" without losing it, Dr Grande. I wanted to punch a wall just listening. 🤬 Much respect.
Emily, I completely agree with you. This case could almost be described as murder. That the owner did not or has not served any jail time is infuriating. Is he being protected by the government? The company should have been shut down, the owner and his son sentenced to at least twenty years in prison, and the brake "mechanic" charged with manslaughter. This death car incident was a disaster in more ways than one.
Two passengers texted that they felt the brakes were burning and the engine was really loud yet no passenger exclaimed “I am getting out of this broken down limo!” Surely, other passengers would have followed his/her exit.
Wow it’s outrageous that shady characters doing shady deals with shady businesses results in mass death and shady character does no time, it seems that crime does pay, so many crimes committed by the limo business owner long before a shady driver took care of business, bet that shady business owner is running another shady business doing shady deals leeching off the trust of consumers.
In Texas there is a notorious used "grayhound" type transportation owner - buses in disrepair & taken out of service after wrecks where passengers died. Bus drivers under trained, licenses not in order, drivers who dont speak English ... same owner just buys other buses under a different company name, more wrecks, more people die. Somehow he gets away with it. (The buses are used for transporting large groups of people to gambling casinos).
Look up famous fires. At the Station and Cocoanut Grove, none of the responsible parties did more than 2 years. The Station was greatly overpriced and allowed fireworks indoors at a low ceilinged wood building full of flammable materials and bad exits. Cocoanut Grove, illegal buildings, greatly overcrowded (see a pattern yet?) , flammable decor, and inward opening doors. Plus faulty fire doors. Which, had the worked, might very well have killed a LOT more. Might not matter, as the doors were to the room where the outside doors opened in. That killed 475, btw. The Station killed 100. Barney Wolanski did just about 2 years for locking and blocking doors. Luckily, (if you must be in the 2nd deadliest fire in US history), it was so toxic, one breath would kill you right where you were sitting. People were asked to leave after the fire, and their corpses were sitting upright at the bar. One or both Derderians did the same.
My friends brother was one of the victims who was hit in the parking lot by the limo. Thanks for keeping their memory alive all these years later.
Prayers for all the victims families.
I live in the vicinity of this tragedy. That was a whole group of young people who left small children behind. Just horrendous.
I am so sorry for everyone's loss. ☮️💜
I went to school and knew a few of the beautiful souls that lost their life in this tragedy
Is it me or Dr G is flexing his new truck lol 😂💪🏻
Humble brag if I ever saw one. Good for him. Congrats he earned it
He’s totally like ‘I’ve got a new whip!’ lol.
Lol I caught that too but it was done tastefully.
Dr. Grande has good taste in rides!
Not much better than a badass new truck💪🏽
How horrific that the brake shop did not fix the brakes! 😖
The outcome of this tragedy is infuriating. My heart goes out to the families of the victims.
Excellent analysis as usual! Thank you, Dr. Grande.❤
This was an excellent explanation of exactly what happened. The graphics that you are now using in your post production or increasing the understandability and your production value has dramatically improved. This is excellent use of this medium and you deserve to be recognized for it.
Such a tragic event which happened because of negligence and greed with very little accountability.
Terrific analysis. Thanks for sharing this. Appreciate you.
What a sad story. I feel so sorry for the families affected by this completely unnecessary and avoidable tragedy. 💜💐🌈✌️
Such an avoidable tragedy on so many levels!
Btw- nice truck Doc!
Absolutely!
I didn’t picture Dr Grande having a sweet full size truck
I want to know what happened to the mechanic that charged for brake system work but never performed it. He is just as responsible for this situation.
Thank you, Dr Grande. I was a home care nurse in that area for many years have driven on that road multiple times, it is treacherous. I have visited the memorial next to the beautiful country store Apple Barrel, it is very sad and heartbreaking to be standing on the very site where so many beautiful young lives were taken. 😢
I like how Dr Grande threw in the fact that the 2015 Highlander is a second generation Highlander.
Sounds like the passengers were really uneasy, if only they would have gotten out while he was pulled over but likely didn’t want to ruin her birthday. Such tragedy for the poor families.
he was pulled over???
Another suberb analysis by Dr. Grande. I still am bingewatching the Doctor's entire "complete works" (I was pretty late to the show). My husband jokes that Dr. Grande will soon have me as the subject of one of his videos, to be titled "Russian Wife struck with Grande Compulsion Sydrome Forgets to do the Washing-Up." Well, I guess it sounds funnier in Russian. With best wishes and hopes for peace from Moscow.
If you read the NTSB report, they did extensive testing on an exemplar Excursion. They loaded it with the same weight and did partial system failures like front brake failure, rear brake failure, ABS failure, and power assist failure. In every scenario it was able to stop in well under twice the distance of an unloaded Excursion with the same failure.
They also did brake dynamometer testing simulating the hill and various failures. Under all simulated conditions, the vehicle was able to stop at the bottom of the downgrade.
This was not a "more people than the vehicle was designed for" issue. It was simply in disrepair. Crimped brake lines, leaking brake lines, seized caliper pistons, etc.
I had not heard of this awful tragedy… My heart sincerely goes out to all of the victims and to all of their families..
I am a retired commercial truck driver, heavy equipment hauler, & instructor… Omgosh this is absolutely unfathomable..
I 100% agree with your take on the necessities to regard CDL license holders just as strict as DOT laws are for truck drivers… CDL license holders who drive stretch limousines, bobtails, even some uhaul self moving trucks, should all be geared towards the same strictness as truck drivers…
Im in a particular state where DOT laws are one of the most strictest… Our weigh stations will place the rig out of service and the driver cannot move, or they will be arrested…
I agree this is a multi-failure of the system.. It is not just one bad failure, but a multitude of critical failures that resulted in such a horrific and devastating loss of these people.. 💔
What can be said about this owner being a free man, and having no conscience as to the deaths he clearly caused is deplorable…
This was really so hard to hear, but Tysvm Dr. Grande for getting this story out… I would sincerely hope that new laws would be put in place to prevent such a heart wrenching event to ever take place again… 🕊🤍🕊
I view it as any number of fail-safes could have worked to save lives. The driver knew the vehicle wasn't safe too.. The ABS slight stayed on? That is not normal, and any driver with that many souls onboard would refuse to drive it; instead it seems like he drove it like he stole it.
Thank you for commenting on this with your expertise and knowledge.
@@ReSearcherSusie You’re most welcome, thank you as well for the kind words.. 🤍🕊🤍
I understand it was allowed to move with stock brakes. A Vice-grip was installed to hold a brake line component. By a supposed licensed mechanic. No less.
Oh wow. A family friend died in this crash. Thank you for covering this.
I had a CDL and worked for Werner Enterprises for about a year. If they could smell the brakes then the driver should have stopped right away. If the brakes get hot enough they will not work at all. I'm guessing that the brakes were being used excessively on a vehicle that was far over it's weight threshold. Chances are that the standard excursion brakes were still on the vehicle. If you add that much more weight to a vehicle you need to add bigger rotors and bigger calipers to adjust for the weight increase. It's possible that the brakes locked up in a clamp down state if the master cylinder was faulty. That would create a smell for sure. But I think that the brakes were just too small for all the weight that they were trying to stop. If the truck had been driven like that for several years or even months the brakes were definitely worn out. That would have led to them failing for sure. I'm not sure why someone with a CDL wouldn't know how brake systems work. It's pretty simple. Plus the smell would be a pretty good indicator that something was wrong. The owner of the vehicle should have fitted the right brakes on a vehicle that big carrying that many people. His disregard for it being judged out of service was criminal and results were deadly. He should have gotten 1 year in prison for every death that happened in that crash. 20 years sounds about right for this level of negligence. I hope that the civil cases leave him broke or chase him out of the country. Who needs professional paintball players anyway?
Well said!
@@sarahmayfield1674 Thanks
We need to go get him. Even he runs to India.
It's so frustrating that he was able to avoid prison time!
How the hell does the person that usually cause these fatalities end up surviving. I appreciate he probably had his seatbelt on but even so….
The driver was killed but the owner of the business was charged since he failed to maintain the vehicle.
@@Gabster1990 ah sorry misheard
When first we practice to deceive...
How did u watch before everyone
Dr Grande is finally a RUclipsr. Flexing about his car 😁😁
My brother's good friend and his wife were two of the victims of this terrible accident. They left behind a young son (their first and only child) who will never remember them. I have always wondered what really happened because there was such speculation, including murder-suicide, drug causes, assassination, nefarious tampering of the vehicle, etc. Thank you for clearing all of this up. Between the brakes failing and the weight of the vehicle, what happened perfectly makes sense. It came down to the first law of motion: a body in motion at a constant velocity will remain in motion in a straight line unless acted upon by an outside force.
Happened not too far from me, and a treacherous stretch of road. Driver would have built up speed without pressing gas pedal.
The judge has refused the plea deal and this will still go to trial. State Supreme Court Justice Peter Lynch said the arrangement was fundamentally flawed. He gave limo company operator Nauman Hussain a choice between withdrawing his guilty plea and accepting a 15- to 48-month prison sentence, the maximum possible term for his role in the 2018 crash. That is from a local paper, The Daily Gazette.
What a piddly little sentence 😔😔
shouldnt the garage that lied about servicing the brakes be the ones charged here? as far as the owner knew the work was done.
@@tankthearc9875 absolutely. I'd LOVE to find out what garage he sent the work to. Owned by "notanother" "Hussain"??
Good to know. Thx
@@Dwightstjohn-fo8ki Clash of cultures, "the disciplined law abiding" against "non emphatic selfish behavioral". I do not understand how it is possible that previous he was sentences to community service. An extension of having a pass on safety as a former FBI informant? Letting such people lose in American society regardless their persona of having non compliant behavior and values. Still 15 years is nothing compared to the lose of 20 souls. To my opinion it is the most severe form of "giving a s**t and don't care about others in a manner that makes it murder. He know the risks, but still chose to ignore it, that makes it murder in my book.
The FBI must have low expectations about their informants. Every story with one of them is the pure disaster.
Tbf you wouldn't tend to hear about the successes.
You were VERY correct, that the limo went OUT OF ITS WAY to get to the intersection, where the Apple Barrel store is located. However, I am disappointed that you failed to mention the fact that locals are FULLY AWARE of how deadly that intersection is... tractor trailers had actually been banned from taking that route for many years before the limo crash even took place. The combination of 1) the steepness of the hill, 2) the weight of the tractor trailer's cargo, and 3) the T-shapped intersection, requiring a stop... had been NOTORIOUS for the brake failure in perfectly healthy tractor trailers. This was a known fact, a VERY IMPORTANT fact which is worth mentioning.... because, the fact of the matter is.... this limo company took a vehicle that they knew 1) had an already KNOWN failed brake system, 2) had an excess amount of weight, 3) OUT OF THE WAY to this NOTORIOUSLY DEADLY intersection....
The combination of these facts speaks VOLUMES about intent, in my eyes, that this crash was a PLANNED EVENT. These facts will no doubt come out in court.
So yes, in your next video please don't leave this important fact out. You can look it up yourself, it's a FACT tractor trailers had been banned from that route for MANY YEARS leading up to this crash. And I am SURE that the driver was fully aware of this.
Regardless of anything, I can guarantee you that the party DID NOT "change their destination" to the Apple Barrel store.... that would make 0 sense.
I don't recall hearing about this at the time, but the saddest part, in my mind, is the fact that there were so very many opportunities to prevent this from happening. It makes me sick to my stomach to think so many individuals could have done the right thing (actually do the brake-work, confiscate the driver's license, not use the unsafe vehicle, etc) and protected 20 lives. In my opinion, they are all guilty, all the way back to the first failure to act.
Dr Grande I always enjoy your videos as I learn so much. Thank you for all of your hard work. It's truly appreciated. Saying hello from New Jersey
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Thank you for this Doc. It was a horrific scene. It is still a very raw wound in the community. So much loss all due to greed.
I never heard about this tragic accident until today. I watched the family's story but was never clear of the details that caused the crash.
You answered all my questions and more.
Thanks,Dr G!
A well-done analysis, a fascinating informative video as usual, Doctor Grande. Thank you so much ☺ 👍
You provide details that are not given in other videos. You give a clear description of pertinent facts. There never should have been such a light penalty!!
Great analysis Dr. Grande! I’m amazed at the function of the criminal justice system!
! A negligent parent can go to prison for life end and yet in this instance the kid who owned the limousine company didn’t do any time. Great take away though of why the prosecution proceeded as they did though.
He got something wrong. The deal was rejected by the judge at the sentencing hearing for being outrageous, so there is a trial set for next May. There is no way he will get off without jail time now.
Wow I had not heard about this accident. When you include the back story and everything that led up to the event it is very shocking! 😮😮😮😢😢
You have us quite a ride on this one. Thanks so much.
You got something wrong. He pled guilty and that sentence was the agreeded upon deal, but at the sentencing the judge rejected the plea as basically a ridiculous miscarriage of justice so the guilty plea was withdrawn and there is a trial set for next May.
Happy to report he got sentenced to 15 years max 5 years minimum.
I love the rare occasion that Dr Grande does a video that includes something I’m very familiar with (I’ve owned dozens of Excursion limos) because I keep waiting for him to say some silly info he found online and he never does!
It gives me confidence in him on topics he covers that I have no understanding of lol
This is horrendous. I’m so sorry for the family left behind.
3 hours ago? 615 am where I am. Dr. Grande putting in the late nights!
Thank you, as always.
Edit - the Judge rejected the plea? Good on him!
Videos can be scheduled to upload at a certain time. But Dr. Grande certainly does a lot for his channel, nonetheless.
I know one of the siblings of someone that passed in this tragedy. He was a great brother. Always saw him shooting hoops with his younger brother.
This happened near my neck of the woods.
No prison ….?????? Wow …someone knows people in high places ….UNBELIEVABLE
I'd like to bring up the possibility that if diesel powered the vehicles engine "ran away". High mileage poorly maintained diesels can start to consume their own engine oil and can be very difficult to control. They will run at a RPM well above the governed redline, screaming or howling. A witness stated the vehicle's engine was loud, almost sounding like a jet.
What a tragic disgraceful situation 🙊😔. Fantastic analysis, the points made are spot on
On a side note, the businesses and finances sound a lot like money laundering.
Anyone else get that impression?
Thanks Dr. Grande, i remember when this tragedy happened but don't recall having heard the outcome for the guilty parties
The driver, drunk. The brakes, broken. The company had been previously reported but somehow remained in business?
My prayers are with the children and grandparents now will raise their grandchildren.😭😭😭😭
It’s so weird I was just thinking about this case and your video popped into my recommended. Thanks for the content
Wild I'm originally from Amsterdam but live in Nevada now. I don't recall my family telling me about this! How sad, I feel awful for the families involved. Amsterdam is a small town, I imagine that hit them hard 🥺
Thanks, Dr. Grande, for the transfixing commentary on our "out of service" licensing & judicial systems. Not to mention the entirely corrupt FBI (Hunter's laptop anyone?) & the victims it ensnares, perpetuates, enables & protects. 20 lives obliterated = "community service"? That in itself = a toll of incalculable, devastating dimensions.
My heartfelt sympathy for all of the collateral victims of this horrendous crime. 💔⚖
Dr Grande this was a very tragic loss Omg 😫😪 am so sorry that 20 persons could have been living their best lives and that will never be so. Shocking!!! Everything you stated was very clear and correct couldnt put it better
Sometimes there's no justice .
The intersection where this vehicle was supposed to stop but couldn’t is ripe for this kind of accident. I’ve been to that restaurant at the scene many times. The road the limo was traveling on is sloped downward toward the intersection. If someone was coasting down the hill and expecting to brake at the stop sign, a brake failure would be devastating, as we saw. It’s disgusting that the father’s informant status has allowed this family to escape responsibility for so many things. The father is really the person operating things behind the scenes.
Wow. Dr. Grande this is the best one yet!!!!
More awesome visuals. 👌Great job 👏.
Nice ute, Dr. Grande! That's what we call trucks in Australia. ❤️
So very sad hearing the driver had been pressing on the breaks for his life so hard it deformed his shoe/ left a print on the bottom. Those poor friends.
As a owner of a car service company 2 things stand out first how old the car was and the unbelievable amount of weight in the car it was a disaster in the making.
I enjoy your videos, very much so! I love the humor and your professional evaluations on any given event
Thanks for sharing another hitherto forgotten but nonetheless interesting incident Doc! I'm eagerly awaiting your analysis of the Ume Idoka case.
Congrats on the new truck, Dr. G!
Dr. Grande, have you ever done a video on Jared Fogle, the subway guy? I don't believe you have and I would love to hear your opinion on the whoke thing. I remember when he was arrested for CP, I didn't really keep up with the case or know the details but I assumed he searched for CP on the dark web and had it stored on his computer. BUT 😧 I was so wrong. That case, which I already thought was incredibly messed up, is about 100x worse than I had imagined.
That would be a good one! He is one hell of a sicko. I was honestly quite surprised.
he did..I think recently
Lots of videos about that guy
Love you Dr. Grande. Such a gem!
I find this case fascinating. Thanks for covering it!
As usual, the analysis was spot on!!! Can you do the cape of Marie Noe, a Philadelphia woman who killed eight children??
What a messed up story. Great case for explaining why I am very uncomfortable with strangers driving a vehicle I am in. Lots of people are at fault here, but Hussein was the lynch pin.
I totally agree he should have done prison time.
5 years probation? That guy who was married to Dalia Dippolito served 2 years in jail and was on probation for 28 years for defrauding investigators and had to payback restitution. But this freaking guy got 5 years probation for negligently killing 20 people and he doesn't have to pay court ordered restitution smh. There's some serious flaws in the justice system for sure
Look up what happens if you kill 100 people in a fire (The Station) or more
Sounds like the throttle cable got stuck on full open. The driver tried to brake, was too freaked out to think of anything else he could do. Quickly shift into neutral. When the vehicle comes to a stop, make everybody get out and distance themselves before the engine blows up.
I learned about this on tv! The scenario scared the crap out of me, and since then I've also shared ot with EVERYONE. Always be prepared, even for uncommon situations.
Down shift to help with the braking.
@@oldsalt8011 Yep.
@@oldsalt8011 If you downshift, you'll regret it, trust me. It's not a standard, its automatic.
I drive the route the limo took fairly frequently. It's a treacherous hill, as it steadily gets steeper and steeper over the course of about a mile from the intersection with Route 7. It's hard to explain, but the hazard is not apparent immediately. Even though I am familiar with the road, I worry about having difficulty braking in my work van if I am going just a bit too fast at the top. The driver of the limo did not know the road, clearly, and given the extreme weight of the vehicle and its inadequate brakes, it's not a surprise at all that he lost control. When I drive that road I routinely look for spots along that stretch where he could have potentially ditched the vehicle to try and stop it, but there really aren't many good options. The stop sign at the bottom of the hill comes quick, even at 45 mph.
Dr. Grande is low key a car guy. Good video.
Dr. you just wanted to show off your '22 Toyota! 😅👍🏼
Hussain not only had contempt for the law, he also had contempt for his customers who unwittingly hired these death traps to ride in. How many of his other vehicles are in disrepair and have safety concerns?
Problem is nobody pulled the car at inspection immediately and let them leave.
This is why you put the vehicle in neutral when it's revving uncontrollably.
It's not a panacea. There's no guarantee it will go into neutral.
Sean Wilson thanks for sharing that tidbit. I didn't know. Years ago when I lived in Ky. I was flying down the highway and I heard this knocking noise. So I pulled into a full service gas station. The mechanic there said it was my motor and do NOT drive the car have it towed. But I called my mechanic who recently just worked on my car and he told me that the "gas station" mechanic doesn't know what he's talking about it could NOT be the motor if it was he would of known when he worked on my car. He told me to drive back. I did. And where I lived? Thank God it was a small one light own because my breaks went out. I could not stop the car. And I freaked out. I threw the car in par by using my emergency parking break . And got a slam. I didn't know what else to do and I was so scared. Thank God for that little town where the speed limit was only 35. I can't imagine having to slam my car in park to get it to stop if I had be going 65mph. Thank you. I don't tend on this ever happening again but if it ever does I will remember this don't slam on the parking break put the car in neutral, You may have just saved someone's life with your comment. Not everyone knows to do this. Thank you so very much.
@@thekurtcobainfoundation4200 I'm glad if I even help one person with that comment. The engine will probably continue to rev, it won't be moving the transmission, but if it's still red lining the engine you'll want to move away from the vehicle, too.
This is a good idea if the brakes fail too as you'll lose momentum. Throw the ebrake as you get closer to stopping if you need to or as soon as you can if you need to stop more immediately. It won't show you down as quick as you like but it'll be slower than just ramming into something at full speed.
That had to be scary though. My friend's wheel flew off while he was driving and he was able to downshift to stop without sliding out of control because he was in a standard.
@@theSemiChrist Thank you. I will tuck all this away just incase I need it someday. take care.
@@thekurtcobainfoundation4200 I suggest 2 words, "Show me."
Such a terrible tragedy, and on many levels could have been avoided!
Loved hearing your thoughts on this case, especially towards the end! He absolutely should have been sentenced to time in prison!
What I have learned from this episode. There are two different sets of rules, one for average Joes and the other for special folks.
Hello good Dr ☺️ thank you 😊
12:25 Very likely -- and reinforced further by the "punishment" he ultimately received from this case.
Professional paintball player that drives an Infiniti SUV? Difficult for me not to make assumptions about his character here; however, I'll refrain. 😂
Out of curiosity, I'm interested in knowing who the father is & what his ties were. Then again... Maybe I really *don't* want to know...
Excellent points again. His arrogance/need for money caused him to bypass so many safety areas. Two vids in a day again whoohoo🥂🎈Thanks Dr G😊💌💌
Enjoyed the casual humble brag about your new truck ;)
The last half mile on Route 30, before it intersects 30A, is so steep that I would never take that road.
I felt so nervous going down that steep hill to a stop sign at that intersection that I took that way once and never took it again. The long way around has practically no grade.
I don't even want to think about that projectile of a limo going down that road. I'm sure it went airborne at some point.
So sorry for all those young lives lost ...😢
Thank you for being a voice for the victims and their families. This guy showed no regard for others. Balanced. Brilliant.🥇💫 May I suggest this for your analysis? Tom Philpott of the 1981 documentary 'Boys for Sale'
I need a Tundra to tow my car to the race track. But , it’s too big and hate driving a truck . I’d only drive it to the track and never for errands, and I don’t have a indoor spot to park the trailer . 🤷🏽, Dr Grande mentioned he had a Tundra 😅
Disgusting outcome . Twenty died incredibly sad RIP .
Just think: some might have lived if any were wearing seat belts...if they could find them.
Good Evening, Dr. Grande.
Always here! ❤️ Thanx Dr G
UPDATE: the judge who granted Hussain the plea deal retired. He was replaced by another (clearly MUCH BETTER judge, in my opinion). This new judge threw out Hussain's plea deal and is currently coming for him HARD in court!
Hello Dr Grande
That man absolutely deserved prison time! I feel so sad for the families of the people who died.
Cars and guns are the doc's favourite boys' toys.
10/6/22 License wasn’t suspended due to Clerical Error. Numerous violations Disaster waiting to happen. Month prior failed inspection a Boot should of been placed on it, until repairs done & new inspection to insure vehicle safe to use! Multiple people responsible for this Tragedy to have taken place! Many people Failed by not making sure vehicle Was safe for use!! My Heart 💔 goes out to Victims & Families🌹 imo much more at play here with FBI involved w/Owner.
Doc subtly flexing his Tundra 💯🤩
Hi Dr Grande,
I'm not sure where people should put their suggestions.
I was hoping you'd be able to do a video on self harm?
I believe this is something people should be educated on and I would love some of your insight on it
Please Dr grande bring back the “I’m not diagnosing anybody” orange t shirt from your merchandise 😢
Damn, this is a mass casualty!
On off buttons , perfect analogy!!!
had to do the math.. 17 people total in the group, 17 passengers in the vehicle died. the entire group of passengers in the vehicle died.
Yes they did.
This informant fee crap plus preferential treatment really stirs my ire! Truthfully I have little respect remaining for the FBI anyway, PRIOR to this video.
One family lost all four of their daughters, including the “birthday girl.” Justice was not served in this case at all!
Who manufactured this unsafe at any speed vehicle? Was the vehicle modified (lengthened) after production- if so by whom? Lots of product liability issues here. Very sad case.
This was covered in the video.
@@eadweard. Possibly. I'm not going to listen to it again, though. All I heard was a description of the length, but not how this was achieved, or what company was responsible.
@@somethingelse4424 Drum brakes suck a bag of a**. Had them. They might not work in rain AT ALL. Thank god I was on a bike and still had a clutch. They either don't stop well, or they grab wrong/lock and slide out from under you.
I've never had that on disc brakes.
If price is no object, I'd have Bremos. They work ridiculously well on a Ferrari (track day), which is still at or over 4k pounds. They are very expensive, tho.
This thing had a cap of towing 10k pounds, but that doesn't include pass weight. Should have had much heavier/larger brakes.
@@somethingelse4424 They couldn't find out who did that modification, btw.
I don't know how you made it through "the list of failures here" without losing it, Dr Grande. I wanted to punch a wall just listening. 🤬
Much respect.
Emily, I completely agree with you. This case could almost be described as murder. That the owner did not or has not served any jail time is infuriating. Is he being protected by the government? The company should have been shut down, the owner and his son sentenced to at least twenty years in prison, and the brake "mechanic" charged with manslaughter. This death car incident was a disaster in more ways than one.
His sentence seems especially outrageous when compared to the driver of that out of control semi truck who got over 100 years in prison.
This would make for a good Bella Grande podcast episode.
Two passengers texted that they felt the brakes were burning and the engine was really loud yet no passenger exclaimed “I am getting out of this broken down limo!” Surely, other passengers would have followed his/her exit.
How would the have got out when the vehicle was moving so fast?
Wow it’s outrageous that shady characters doing shady deals with shady businesses results in mass death and shady character does no time, it seems that crime does pay, so many crimes committed by the limo business owner long before a shady driver took care of business, bet that shady business owner is running another shady business doing shady deals leeching off the trust of consumers.
In Texas there is a notorious used "grayhound" type transportation owner - buses in disrepair & taken out of service after wrecks where passengers died. Bus drivers under trained, licenses not in order, drivers who dont speak English ... same owner just buys other buses under a different company name, more wrecks, more people die. Somehow he gets away with it. (The buses are used for transporting large groups of people to gambling casinos).
How do you not goto prison for 20 counts of criminally negligent homicide
Look up famous fires. At the Station and Cocoanut Grove, none of the responsible parties did more than 2 years.
The Station was greatly overpriced and allowed fireworks indoors at a low ceilinged wood building full of flammable materials and bad exits.
Cocoanut Grove, illegal buildings, greatly overcrowded (see a pattern yet?) , flammable decor, and inward opening doors. Plus faulty fire doors. Which, had the worked, might very well have killed a LOT more. Might not matter, as the doors were to the room where the outside doors opened in.
That killed 475, btw. The Station killed 100. Barney Wolanski did just about 2 years for locking and blocking doors.
Luckily, (if you must be in the 2nd deadliest fire in US history), it was so toxic, one breath would kill you right where you were sitting. People were asked to leave after the fire, and their corpses were sitting upright at the bar.
One or both Derderians did the same.
Damn that '22 Toyota tundra was a flex Dr Grande 😉
The brakes were burned out on a downhill and the limo gained speed.