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Recent game I've had: a 0/14 skarner support who his friend said was high, all lanes lost. Bot inhib was lost 13 minutes into the game: we won because our top trynd was 32/3
I will never forget the time a Tryndamere ran me down from the middle of the midlane all the way under my T3 turret 8 minutes into the game and survived
The good ol' run you down and act like it was skillful even though any other character would have died at the first turret. That's his bread and butter.
@@TheLikeButtonLMAO but its kinda true. trynda has been in a fucking weak ass spot for years now and just very recently got above 50% winrate at all due to some buffs. and even now still shit into most meta champs.
Hearing you talk about critchance reminds me of the old days when rushing infinity edge was basically the meta for every ADC except vayne and kogmaw. Where you'd sir around poking the enemy with an auto attack every once in a while until you hit a random 800 damage critical and it was TIME FOR ALL IN because whoever crit first won
@@BUSHOnRUclips Kinda, basically it was all just whoever landed more crits won. Like statik shiv, infinity edge, phantom dancer, etc were all very broken back then, and adc would abuse them.
Its a shame, that you lose cuz you need to help team. Happens, sadly to often. Even with others laners. From the start you know it will be 1v9. Cuz if you don't help your team, you are automatically trolling and lose the game cuz there is always feeding teammate. The curse of solo cue.
@@buddhistmonk4255 Nah, Teemo at least requires you to know when to use blind and where to place your mushrooms. Trynd is just a flowchart of "Did you auto attack? Yes > Did the auto attack crit? Yes > Is the enemy still at 75%+? Yes > Auto attack again, if it crits, go all in!"
@@lgoll If you're ahead enough, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to kill the opponent before it goes off. Tbf, you wouldn't build Death's Dance otherwise.
I remember back in the day when the "Tryndamere to Plat" picture was circulating around where it basically just showed you to ignore fights, ignore all other parts of the map and split push top until nexus and it was a legitimate way to actually go to high Gold and even Plat. When a champion can afford to simply ignore the multiplayer aspect of the game until you force him to play against you - and you still lose because he's just the most brutal stat stick in the game, there is, indeed, a problem.
Honestly, my only issue with tryn is the lack of interaction. I feel like when I lose my lane to a trynadamere and I ask myself "what did I do wrong here ?" The answer is usually "I got crited" or "he used his ult and now I am sad"
Trynds all about wave management, if you let him crash a wave then set up a freeze you fucked up, same as if a Nasus/Jax/Fiora/Camille did the same to you. Blaming lack of game state understanding on rng is a sureway to stump your skill growth.
@@radwinabbdullahi6286 He hasn't changed since that era and arguably doesn't need too. And honestly, without makin an AD version of Kassadin - useless until level X where they finally become a champion: i doubt there is a way to fix him. Cause if you remove his stat bonuses....he does nothing.
To beat trynd you have to: A. Be a tank and stall him through his ult with cc. B. Burst him down and pray that he doesn't ult. C. Play Teemo and burn in hell. There is no other alternative.
Trynd is one of the reasons why I want them to change "crit chance" to something like "precision" or something, that just gives a percent increase on auto-attack damage. It averages out to the same thing and it just makes more sense. It is just annoying to have the enemy Tryndamere outplay you level one by criting you in the face or loosing a fight bot-lane, because the enemy Draven is blessed by RN-Jesus.
every time i lane against trynd, and he full-casino's it on my ass with 20% or some shit i just tilt off the face of the earth. I can't handle RNG and i can't comprehend why riot just doesnt add 20% AD flat.
@@karenwang313 Could be solved by having it use a non-linear scale. Low Crit chance giving less damage, scaling up till you have double damage at 100%. So Crit still requires a proper item investment to get big numbers. No assassin is gonna gimp their early game by building Crit and anyone that would should already be building Crit assassins then. Eg: Crit y=x(x÷10)÷10 more auto attack damage 20% = 4% 40% = 16% 60% = 36% (48% with IE) 80% = 64% (86% with IE) 100% = 100% (135% with IE)
@@samlt5 your number is off it would be crit is y=(x÷10)(x÷10) to get 20% = 4% 40% = 16% 60% = 36% (48% with IE) 80% = 64% (86% with IE) 100% = 100% (135% with IE) because otherwise you have 20% = 40% (20(2)) 40% = 160% (40(4)) 60% = 360% (60(6)) (480% with IE) 80% = 640% (80(8)) (860% with IE) 100% = 1000% (100(10)) (1350% with IE)
This is my take before watching the video: -Because he's a split pushing monster. -Can use his ult during CC. -You can lose lane to lucky Crits from his passive -Has a gimmick to reducing his mobility spell, as if we didn't have enough of that in the game.
More like "you will lose lane to lucky crits from his passive". I mean, he basically spells out that "how to play Trynd gud" means that you take potshots at your opponent until you get one or preferably two crits in a row, and THEN just go all in.
Not to mention that there is a mechanic in game called luck compensation, if you have 40% crit chance but don't crit after a few autos, you will crit the next auto which means that at full fury, if you auto minions twice and don't crit, you're almost guaranteed to do 2 crits out of 3 next autos and if you don't you know it's time to take a break off the game for a week or two. You can practically determine when your luck is favorable to oogabooga your e into the enemy and get that juicy double crit which no matter what will always force the enemy to flee and not even try to fight back because they can't afford anymore trading.
@@patrickstar3293 The probability of a critical strike changes dynamically based on how many times the attack critically strikes. If an attack does not critically strike over multiple attempts, the probability will progressively increase for future attempts-this can occur vice versa, where multiple successful critical strikes will cause the probability to progressively decrease for future attempts. From the wiki and also stated in an FAQ This also exists for loots and other luck base actions in league.
@@UgsOfLorian League does NOT have this feature. Mentioned nowhere, and would be extremely stupid in a game like this. The mechanic you are talking about is used in gacha games, not in MOBA's. It's like saying that CSGO gives you aim assist if you miss 3 shots. Not in the game, never has been, mentioned nowhere on the wiki as well.
Trynd wins early game, if he somehow looses he can literally push “EVERY LANES” with no effort, and clear Camps really really fast, he clears top, travels to jungle and clears everything while he passes through, clears mid and pushes tower, goes through bottom jungle and clears camp Left overs, clears bot and pushes tower, if someone responds to lane he switches to another or “Takes over” Send One guy to defend, he’ll literally tower dive it, send two he’ll kill them both, send ALL YOUR TEAMATES he’ll waste your time, goodluck killing him, or catching him if you somehow do.
Wdym Trynd lvl 1 is ass as he has to start E instead of Q for the safety of mobility. Trynds only powerspike before lvl 6 is lvl 2 and only if he gets it earlier than the enemy and has a good amount of fury. If you let a lvl 1 trynd auto the wave while being any champ besides Kayle you might as well be running it down. If he doesn't stack fury early and gets a lvl 2 advantage he can't kill you at all before 1 recall.
If he loses lane and gets behind he is very vulnerable and can't tower dive one or two people in most scenarios, unless you send your immobile adc. When you have some kind of tankiness/cc or don't get poked before you both are under turret, he cant do shit without help.
@@tenay6309 it doesn’t matter if he looses early game, as long as he knows how to macro properly he’ll eventually get to your Inhibitors and make your life hell dealing with it.
Technically yes? He's built old. Considering other than touch ups on scaling damage and numbers in general, he has literally not changed at all from season 1
playing adc is just a coinflip at this point, doesnt matter how good u play, if the enemy nasus is not being attacked by the ally toplaner then u just donzo before meeting him
Don't even start with adcs, they are the Magikarps of lol. You either help them grow until the late game or they lose matchups agaisnt any other damaging class.
A guide on how to beat Tryndamere 100% of the time: ACTIVE - Jax enters Evasion, a defensive stance, for 2 seconds, causing all non-turret basic attacks against him to be dodged for the duration. Jax also takes 25% reduced damage from all area of effect abilities sourced from champions. Counter Strike can be recast after 1 second, and does so automatically after the duration ends. RECAST - Jax deals physical damage[5] to all nearby enemies, increased by 20% for each attack dodged, up to a 100% increase[6] , and stuns them for 1 second. [5] Minimum Physicals Damage 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 (+ 50% bonus AD) [6] Maximum Physical Damage 110 / 160 / 210 / 260 / 310 (+ 100% bonus AD) The initial cast and the manual recast count as ability activations for the purposes of on-cast effects such as Spellblade[Sheen] and stacking Force Pulse[Kassadin]. If the ability is not manually recasted, the secondary effect will trigger without being considered as an ability activation. Counter Strike will also dodge abilities that can trigger on-hit effects (Parrrley[Gangplank], Mystic Shot[Ezreal] ) which will count towards Counter Strike's increased damage. There are exceptions however.
@@yoanasen246 Not anymore, it used to be a skill matchup that you had to win early as Trynd as Jax will eventually become impossible to deal with 1v1. With new lethal tempo Jax just straight up wins all trades because he can stack it while in his E and you can only run away from him in the meantime, so as Trynd your only option to actually win 1v1 is wishing the jax is dumb and wastes his Q or E in a dumb way and then immediately force a fight and pray you have enough damage to kill him in those 12 secs.
@@NeODeLeuX I agree with you about the meta runes for Trynd and Jax, but that's where Trynd's adaptability comes to the rescue. Both FF and Grasp work quite well against Jax. The extra MS you get from FF allows you to win small trades and escape before he jumps on you (enter the bushes) and before he stacks up his LT, often making him waste his stun (the extra healing against champions is also amazing). If you take Grasp, you get tankier which also allows you to outsustain the enemy. The summoner spells need to be adapted as well - Ignite or Exhaust instead of Ghost. (I personally prefer to take Ignite, as Jax can jump out of range even if exhausted) Items: Stridebreaker is a good option, but you gotta be more TF-oriented; You can also go for the standard build with the FF runes. With Grasp you can go for a bruiser build (or even the troll full tank build), you'll have free 30 minutes against Jax and afterwards, you should just focus on the backline of the enemy, while your team CCs the Jax. In tough matchups, the 1v1s should be a marathon, not a sprint. The Jax lane is similar to the laning phase against Zoe.
@@maxzakrzewski1704 I'm a master-d1 Vlad otp The trynda matchup in top is unplayable for Vlad......in mid at least u outscale him but in top it's a fukin massacre....he beats u in both long and short trades- he outsustain both ur poke and ur healing since vlad's heal on minions early on is shiit- after 6 he can dive u with his jgler even with pool and ult and once he gets berserker greves and some ad and crit from gayforce and has ghost he doesn't even need his jgler to dive and fuk u in the arse
Tryndamere is one of those champs that doesn't really require the person piloting him to play well in order to win but requires the person playing against him to play absolutely perfectly. Tryndamere can make as many mistakes as he wants because, as said in the video, he can just scale and build into a team fighting, tower destroying, AIDS monster later in the game. But if you're playing against him, if you yourself make a SINGLE mistake, he kills you and you're fucked for the rest of the game. The onus isn't on Tryndamere to play better than you to win, the onus is on you not to make a single mistake because of how unforgiving he is to his opponent while being as forgiving as the Pope to the person playing him. Plus, I've maintained for a while now that if a champ with Tryndamere's ult were released today, the community would have a collective fit at the idea of a champ being able to become literally invincible for 5 whole seconds. If he wasn't one of the "classic" champs, his ult would at the very least have been reduced to 3 seconds or reworked entirely.
One fun trick I like is when i see his crit animation swing getting ready i q heal so i can get healthy and the crits worth of fury gained back than a regular gain
Lol, as a trynd jax diamond 2trick i can tell you that if you fuck up once as trynd you lose all agency for the rest of the lane unless your jungler takes pity of you. Give a good Darius/Jax a 30% health advantage and a pot to still use and you don't get to touch the wave. No wave = no fury = no crits/healing.
I think as a "core" argument about it, it's just not a fun mechanic to play against. Kind of like a fed yi, if you don't have the perfect comp or champ against it, you're just not going to be able to do enough. I think a few champs have this problem where they are infinitely better than others when there isn't a specific counter ie. (Akali, Irelia, Trynd, Yi)
that's literally any champion from the past three seasons that are not supps though, Yasuo, Yone, Sett, Zoe, Akshan, Viego, Samira, Qiyana, Sylas, Kai'sa and the list goes on and on. Counterplay isn't part of Riot vocabulary if you're not higher than master. If the guy is not playing a tank or a support and you didn't hard counter picked he's going to crush you the moment he has a better advantage. That's been like that for 5 years now.
@@sharlockshacolmes9381 That's just not true lol, you know the skill ceiling on some of those champs to be good? Compared to a champ that just right clicks you and spins the majority of games. The champs you said HAVE counterplay, especially around predicting movement. Having to focus your whole teams CC into someone plowing through your front line isn't good for the game when the champ just right clicks you and then runs away. He's better in shitlo but his mechanics are meant to be braindead.
@@cythermax skill ceiling =/= skill floor, plus being good at a champ is not the same as being good at the game. There are plenty of excellent OTP at every level of play but only the players that understand the game go higher that diamond. Sure Trynd is pretty brain dead in any 1v1 situation but the moment you know how to play against him he can't do shit. You don't need to win skirmishes against a Trynd to win the game you just have to manage him while you take objectives just like a Yi, a Jax or any of the early champions.
@@sharlockshacolmes9381 Yasuo's way older than literally every other champ you mentioned. And yes, as annoying as they can be, they have shit you can dodge. How the fuck do you dodge a rightclicker? Besides, this argument of "oh but uuuh other champs worse" is not the point. Trynd's kit isn't healthy anymore, both to the game and the Trynd players themselves. They're basically playing coinflip.
I have always and will always believe that tryndamere is the most broken champ in the game. I don’t know why riot thought that lvl 1 crit and and ult that allows you to just not die for 7 seconds WITHOUT any consequences is ok. Champs like kindred after ulting heals EVERYONE. Taric has to time his perfectly and pantheon can only be invulnerable from one direction, and ALSO can be killed by turrets. All these champs suffer a weakness or disadvantage from in invulnerability, but tryndamere? Nah. But wait, there’s more. Early game if he engages in u and decides he wants u ded he will run u down under turret even if u have flash. He brings ghost so he uses that and his e and he will ALWAYS outrun u.
It's 5 secs of ult, not 7. Just don't let him stack fury lvl 1 and he can't do nothing to you 1v1 till lvl 6, if he does get lvl 2 advantage because you're playing Kayle or something else like that or had to leash then just respect him while he has full fury and hope he deosn't freeze on you because at that point you'll need your jungler to break the freeze.
The problem with some moba characters is that in solo their tiering should be way different. Because without a team on mic some characters are monsters! But in teams ehhh
You also have to take into consideration that his late game R has such a low cooldown so it‘s basically up for every teamfight. And with the newest addition of Axiom Arc which can be a niche Trynd purchase it‘s not just a possibility that his ult is up it‘s for sure up.
Tryndamere is the only champ that I haven't played since the mastery system. And thats on purpose. I will reroll him in aram if i have too. When they released the mastery system i sweared that I wouldn't play him until he got a rework. Because riots are hypocrites. They murdered oldtrox but are keeping tryndamere as is
@@mistywww3199 Nope. Not for a very long time, at least. And if they do, the ult isn't going and neither his is crit chance. They're just going to make his heal more interactive and change around how his w works. That's a blatant given ever since the backlash of aatrox rework. They're ONLY going to stick with previous concepts on a champion's playstyle
Funny thing about your comment.. I was maining Aatrox, then he got reworked. Hated the changes, so I tried to find something that was similar. Trynd is the most similar to old Aatrox, and so, he became my main. As for the person in this thread saying Trynd players don't need to think.. You're wrong. I just don't need to use combo 2A in this situation, rather than combo 17D... Basically, I'm not doing calculus in my head about which of my 20 ability combo variations I need to use in any given moment. I DO, however, need to think about my level vs yours, my rage bar state, the match-up, items and item/level spikes, who can I actually all-in on the enemy team if I'm joining a team fight, dodging cc, wave management, jg location (both teams), counter jungling, is it safe to split or not, do I have enough mobility to catch someone, do I have my ult available before I all-in, and much MUCH more. Just because a champion's kit isn't complex with tooltips that are walls of text, doesn't mean a champion is braindead. It just allows me to focus on the game itself, rather than performing my combos pixel perfectly.
I mean, tryndamere is the definition of a stat stick, but he also gets to just, NOT DIE for 5 seconds whenever he wants, and has a dash that gets reduced by crits. He is literally everything riot has been working to remove since like season 5 encapsulated into a single champion.
the only reason ive ever killed a tryd as a top lane kayle main was when I popped all my abilities, used my ult on warwick and killed him after he smashed my skull into a pulp
The annoying thing about Trynd is that you can shit on him in lane, get tons of damage and it just doesn't matter because he can hit R and negate everything. Played Nasus and got Trynd picked into me. Ended up out CSing him a ton in lane and finished 1/0 as we killed him on a gank. He got some cs late and suddenly you can't do shit. He flash spins into the backline and I can oneshot him with my Q but he can just press R and auto me down while I can't do shit to him other than slow and run away. His ult cooldown is also so low that it'll be back up by the next fight.
You actually playing a champ that can be 0/10 and actually can still 1v1 anyone, and you complain about Trynd, not to mention that your champ out scales Tryndamere mid to late game so hard.
@@FrenzyGamingTV Firstly, Nasus can 1v1 anyone if he has a ton of stacks. That's independent of kills, but it still means he has to be ahead. Prevent him from farming by bullying him and he won't be a problem. Secondly Trynd may be outscaled by Nasus, but my point is that he has 100% crit and can two shot my ADC while I do insane damage to him which he completely ignores because he's LITTERALLY INVINCIBLE. Lastly I'm not a Nasus main or anything. I actually play Trynd more because he ends up being way more consistent as he gets his ult regardless of how well you lane, whereas Nasus needs to farm.
@@_lime. Tryndamere can still get outplayed from an ADC, expect the ADC is 0/10 and he can't do anything to him. Nasus just point and click ccs you, and you can't escape against him, except only if a teammates help you. Nasus needs farm?? He needs a good amount of 300-350 stacks after 20 min, and he beats everyone. Tryndamere still loses some late game match ups, (Jax, Fiora, Shen, Malphite, Nasus) but Nasus doesn't, and because he gets bullied, does not deny the fact that he can play supper safe, and farm until he has decent stacks to kill everyone in 1v1. I beat a Nasus, he went 0/8 and guess what, 3 min roam and close mid game, he build 3 tank items, and he actually beat me to death.
Tryn is a relic of the old LoL, like most immobile mages except he isn't left behind. He's fully exploiting the changes that have been made. He was annoying and something that a team had to consider if it was on the opposition, but having a jungler slap him down early so that he couldn't snowball ahead of the other top was the way to deal with him.
These days in solo though... Having the jungler only gank one lane, even if it's working perfectly, will tilt the other laners. So even if you could get the jungler to babysit top you might lose because mid gets caught out, blames jungler, and then ints for the rest of the game.
Exactly that. I had a great game of fiddle where I ganked 3 times pre 6 (and fiddle has a huge powerspike at 6 so generally you want to powerfarm, so 3 ganks is a lot) 2 kills on top and burned flash on mid. And then we lost because bot fed their laners and blamed me for never ganking.
And what makes it worse in my opinion how The Executioner can’t counter Tryndmere’s ultimate even though it’s a 2500 gold item, but Quicksilver Sash can counter literally any cc ability in the game is just insane, especially when such a huge part of the game is supposed to be itemization.
Master Yi is now the most played solo jungler in blind pick because his skill floor is in the basement. Fiora is the 1v1 melee master her lore has always portrayed her as. Gangplank has barrels now, but he's still not fun to play against. And Tryndamere has gone from stomping noobs that play high damage champs without CC to stomping any team that suffers from main character syndrome.
Tryndamere was actually my first Main back when i first played the game back in 2014 or 2015 and he is still my best pick today. Hell, i even found ways to beat absolute counterpicks like Teemo and Jayce.
@@patryknowak2737 just let wave be on your side then all in with teemo you can just rundown him and while his blind is up just don't auto him about jayce just bait his thing where he knocks you away and then all in
Bro tryndamere has been this way for seasons. But everyone has mobility so regardless of ghost/flash gale force it’s still hard to stick. On top of that his team fight is dogwater.
I remember a game I played not too long ago when I went Top against a Tryn as Darius (yes I know I'm an asshole) and I thought it was gonna be an easy win...God was I wrong. I mean we still won the game after I got a Quadrakill and the enemy team surrendered, but still that early game against Tryn was infuriating af
finally someone fucking said it.The fact that he is insanely strong early and a very hard scalling champ with invuln ult screams wtf am i supposed to do??? well i can build armor but wait he built kraken and now im dead again.he also can build grudge later btw for more armor pen.i can justify things like nasus and kayle somehow (though it still pretty unfair to lose the game ur team was stomping cuz kayle just hit lvl 16 gg,or nasus being so fucking tanky at 15-20 mins to bonk you for half health with dvivine and 100-200+ stacks) but then comes tryndamere
If you haven't yet, give tank Tryndamere a try. It's really fun to play him with sunfire aegis, hullbreaker, steraks and have like 350 ad, 40% crit, and 3k health with good resistances. It lets him build full tank and do bruiser damage or build bruiser and do assassin damage all while being unkillable- sometimes you can fight for 10 seconds BEFORE you even ult
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its pretty easy to counter teemo with just runes and boots. I saw enemy had a teemo and a morg and I was trying out master yi, In my runes alone and mercs I was getting 50-60% tenacity. It's super easy to put those in tryndameres runes and win against teemo, you just have to know how to kite properly when he does blind you for 3s x 0.4 (60% tenacity) = 1.2s blind. Which can go even lower if you took sunfire and you get elixir of Iron. You haven't known fear when you haven't seen a 95% tenacity garen moving at 600 move speed, making a 3s morg stun a 0.2s stun. Edit: Supposedly morg stun can only go down to 0.3s no matter how much tenacity you have. the more you know. And same with any stun in the game.
Glad he made this video because people need to be aware of how much Trynda needs a full rework, not only is his design lame as fuck and his animations ugly and clunky, his gameplay is just bullshit and has been bullshit for quite some time. The fact that he hasn't been on a single rework poll or ever mentioned as a possible VGU is so fucking bizarre
Well, the last buffs pushed him over the top. There is a reason why a stat check champ that brings 0 value to a proplay environment became a pick or ban in proplay. He is simply overstatted.
He got picked for one month because ofan item and then never again. Not an argument here. If statcheck was the issue they'd all play kayle, yi, jax, and irelia way more often.
When I'm adc and at 15 min I see the enemy tryndamere 5/0 I know I just lost and it feels really frustrating that I literally can't do nothing about him unless he burns his ultimate, flash, ghost, gale force, e and one of my teammates doesn't stay in his melee range. Just so much work to kill 1 person. This game never surprises me anymore
Otp Tryndamere 2M Mastery points Diamond/Master elo over here, not flexin just wanna say I agree with you, my champ is op, but truly op not like "Oh Malphite ulted me from a bush, so unfair" no, Trynd is truly Over Powered, so many options to play, so many ways to carry, he's by far the most versatile champion in the game, can do what any other champ do but easier, Invincible on 1 v 1's with the right runes and build, an old champion from a different age of the game that doesn't belong here anymore
Gangplank isn't picked as much as Trynd, but that champ's bullshit has been flying under the radar for years. Worst thing: GP mains seem to complain that every other toplane champ is broken. That being said, he's hard to master, yes. But buying Sheen and pressing Q everytime Grasp is up isn't
@@Sage11 most melee champs get in a position where they have to cs with abilities against him. The thing is, if they go even cs, GP gets bonus gold. You recall (let's say on Gwen for the sake of arguing), get your leeching Leer, you've got boots and a blasting wand. GP comes back at the same time, boots and Essence Reaver. Lands a barrel, then he presses Q. Congrats, you went equal on farm and now you're 30%HP and just got to lane. Oh, and he's full hp and mana (minus the Q cost, Barrels are free). And his passive is up, don't get too close now.
Been a Tryndamere main since my first season and I'm still one, even tho I've hit masters this season and yes its, beyond braindead. I play autopilot all the time and somehow comeout on top and i don't know why, but i average 5 deaths and afk split a lot.
@@bevvvy1374 this post is total bs, as soon as you reach D2 if you just braindead split you're just gonna get collapsed and then lose 1 or 2 objectives. Either OP is not masters or is lying about his gameplay. Source: D1 peaker Trynd/Jax player. If even RangerZX (one of the best Trynds in the world) has problems with carrying on smurf queue vs diamond players then it can't be as braindead as op says.
@@NeODeLeuX i dont think about how to play, i just do it subconciusly, i turn off my brain. mad respect to rangerzx since hes alot better than me and ive only peaked in masters but finished s11 in d2
At some point making his ult behave like a normal ability which cannot be activated while heavy cced would make him more balanced. He would be heavyily nerfed so some compensation to other parts of his kit could be ajusted
Oh yeah. Start by making his E cooldown gimmick nonexistent. Make it so it only has flat cooldown that goes lower by levels. Say, 4-5 seconds flat like Jax Q. Then make his W ONLY work when they're actually turnt around so he couldnt just instantly remove your stats from range. Remove the base healing from his Q and only give it healing when he has rage so Trynd players actually have to interact than just relying on bs regen + fleet + second wind + doran's shield + their Q for a laming phase. Then make his ult scale with levels. 3-5 seconds of undeath sounds good, so people actually level it up than just put one point on it and dump the rest of the points on his other abilities.
I remember the good times of having 1% crit change with the old runes. That awe of doing a crit (or two, three lol) on your trades/fights at early levels was as hooking as gambling 😌
The only defense against Tryndamere is killing him as many times as you possibly can before level 6. Once he gets level 6 you will never have a fair fight again. Either you win the duel but then he ults and spins away +ghost +flash. Or he gets far enough ahead that he can tower dive you with or without a jungler and not worry about trading with his ult. I've always thought that Tryndamere's ultimate should silence all of his basic abilities while it's active. It's UNDYING RAGE not UNDYING COWARDICE.
Skooch talking abt getting double crit by trynda and triple Me who got crit 5 times by trynda and lost the fight in less than 30 secs: yeeeep You have to cc trynda for 7 secs? I got cced as sett for 10 secs from tahm and elise and i still killed tahm :)
Why do people keep calling it free bonus stats, they are quite literally part of his power budget, he's balanced around it. It's like saying Camille get's a ton of free bonus shields because of her passive, this argument always puzzled me.
I mean this all sounds really op with Tryn.. but keep in mind how insane the cc chains in this game are. We also have Galeforce, Shieldbow, the crown item (-75%dmg for 1,75secs), guardian angel, HOUR GLASS. And i dont want to forget the even more mobile champs like akshan, zeri, quiana. Its getting harder and harder for tryn to keep up. If u dont believe me search for "why nobody is playing tryndamere". And also watch the videos from fogged if u want to learn the weaknesses of Tryn- he has many. Fogged also admits that, but hes and damn fucking good player.
i think as a MINIMUM, Tryns ult needs to be something that cant be used when cc'ed. Forcing players to choose when the best time to ult will be for maximum effect instead of just last moment fuckery.
200 yrs design: "You're Kassadin!" "And what do I do?" "You silence things and your ultimate is an upgraded form of flash, that no other champion gets!" Tryndamere: **Snickers in spin**
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that champion is a menace. Getting to ignore building resistances because of a "I don't die" button feels so upsetting to play against.
Tryndamere is my best character. I have almost a 70% wr on him and is easily my best champion. I however hate playing him. It gets so boring and I feel like I’m cheating. I used him to get to almost gold 1 but I couldn’t keep doing it so I play other champs and get shit on back to gold 4. I just can’t keep playing him more than once or twice 😂
Honestly when I was on point in top lane lol, Trynd was one of the few matchups I truly understood, all I had to do was engage when his rage bar was empty & disengage if he was stacking his rage faster than I could kill him, if done correct you can bully him & starve him off of CS, especially if you freeze near your tower. Trynd feels like a balanced matchup that you can actually read, react & (try to) outplay, which is a breath of fresh air... Compared to what we normally have to deal with (waifu champs dashing across multiple screens, while their face roll abilities often have 0 counterplay! Camille, Riven or Fiora am I right?)
Hard disagree. Trynd players nowadays KNOW that they can gamble hp for their enemy's resources. Since out of combat sustain is such a menace that Riot actively kills it in place of IN-combat healing (Conq or Aatrox) Trynd players always just attrition the lane. Turning it into a "which one of us has better sustain" Comparatively, Irelia/Fiora/Riven players are, despite their obvious superiority complex issues, one-dimensional and easy to predict. You KNOW what they want to do because every single fucking one of them does it. It's like Lee Sin players and their fetishes for flashy InSecs. Trynd? You never know if the player is a total brainfart who just rightclicks to win or he's a degenerate who lames his opponents through over the top means of sustaining the lane.
@@Geheimnis-c2e Wdym Trynd's gameplan is obvious as hell, he's one of the most straightforward champs in the game, either he can kill you outright or he has to wait for you to make a mistake. Most champ can rely on straight up mechanics to win a fight they should've lost on paper just because they execute their champ better than their opponent does theirs, champs like Trynd/Garen/etc excel on punishing mistakes. That's why they are mostly doodoo in high elo, because there's less mistakes to punish.
My bf likes to “cry” sometimes about losing a lane as trynda 0/3 But then after two mins he just goes 20/3 and forgets that he even complained Trynda mains at its finest
My only gripes are how he has bruiser/juggernaught levels of regen without being an actual juggernaught and how he has poke that also doubles as disengage, meaning trades with it almost always end up positive. This is near pre-rework Pantheon levels of monke mode.
But he IS an actual juggernaut. It's just optimal for him to build like an adc to maximise damage output (and get the most out of that 5 sec invulnerability from ult). As for the poke/disengage, you must be talking about his E. You have to choose to use it for engage or disengage, ESPECIALLY in the early game. This is one of the things that separates the good from the bad Trynd players. Bad ones will literally spin at the enemy to engage, not crit, so the cd isn't reduced, and then have no escape if things go badly. Also, it's not a "poke" ability. Poke is safe, long range damage, that let's you damage without engaging, think of Zoe or Varus Q as examples. Lots of people hate on Trynd. Most of the time, it's because they don't understand that he IS balanced. They just don't know how his kit works and how to play around it. Just like all of the players who will EVERY-DAMN-TIME ping Trynd's R if he gets 100-0 in .00001 seconds, and didn't hit his ult in time.
I enjoy fighting Tryndamere as exactly Darius. No other character. But that's because I get more free stats and my bleed counteracts his ultimate when he runs away, but again that's just laning phase and he still fucks me over later.
I always view crits as a % increase to my damage, like a full fury bar early game is an average of 130% damage. Combine that with 2 points in Q and good early trades and you can reliably get kills without praying for crits. Sometimes you lose because you hit 5 times and got no crits, but you'll know you made the correct play given what you know.
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why you no talk about his e flash combo
so its just an off brand mobalytics app
@@soulcleave2386 kinda curious if it causes less lag though
Will you make a video about ADC role?
its a shame most things like seeing whos in your game and if they are tilted and post game review is stuck behind a pay wall when other free apps don't do this kind of sucky imo
Recent game I've had: a 0/14 skarner support who his friend said was high, all lanes lost. Bot inhib was lost 13 minutes into the game: we won because our top trynd was 32/3
what the fck
Just one of those games eh
Had a game where all my lanes were ahead then trynd came online and hit the don't die button are his team ran it down until they won
Are you saying he doesn't deserve to win?
@@centipedekid9824 Everybody gangsta 'til top lane roams
only time i've beat tryn(as a otp singed main) is from popping everything for my mobility, popping zhonyas, throwing goo and praying that was enough.
I was a singed otp for 3 seasons but divine wunderer and shieldbow just make me feel redundant. Now I just play counterpicks
Props to the singed main
@@soulsemblance3163 i feel that, these last couple of seasons been ridiculous.
As another singed main, tryndamere is extremely hard to fight unless they screw up extremely hard and allow you to kite them with ghost and rylais
Lol that's a lot of work just stickey goo him and run
I will never forget the time a Tryndamere ran me down from the middle of the midlane all the way under my T3 turret 8 minutes into the game and survived
The good ol' run you down and act like it was skillful even though any other character would have died at the first turret. That's his bread and butter.
that was prob me
@@centipedekid9824 Sure and When you Pick Trynd you still are in Bronze so your point is bs
@@yourpronounsarebs spoken like a true trynd main
@@TheLikeButtonLMAO but its kinda true. trynda has been in a fucking weak ass spot for years now and just very recently got above 50% winrate at all due to some buffs.
and even now still shit into most meta champs.
Hearing you talk about critchance reminds me of the old days when rushing infinity edge was basically the meta for every ADC except vayne and kogmaw. Where you'd sir around poking the enemy with an auto attack every once in a while until you hit a random 800 damage critical and it was TIME FOR ALL IN because whoever crit first won
“old” aka season 6 lol
@@Mickey-id6rs that was 6 years ago lol, not really recent
@@Mickey-id6rs wasn't that also Season 9 and 10? Or did they build it first for other reasons
So just every ADC was Draven?
@@BUSHOnRUclips Kinda, basically it was all just whoever landed more crits won. Like statik shiv, infinity edge, phantom dancer, etc were all very broken back then, and adc would abuse them.
Teemo main here. Very accurate summary. I'm not scared of a Trynd; I'm scared of leaving that 0/6 trynd *alone* for too long.
Yup. As a Shen main if I ult somewhere in the map and don't get anything from it trynda would just devour my towers
tryn mains and teemo mains are twosides of the same shitty coin
Its a shame, that you lose cuz you need to help team. Happens, sadly to often. Even with others laners. From the start you know it will be 1v9. Cuz if you don't help your team, you are automatically trolling and lose the game cuz there is always feeding teammate. The curse of solo cue.
@@buddhistmonk4255 Nah, Teemo at least requires you to know when to use blind and where to place your mushrooms. Trynd is just a flowchart of "Did you auto attack? Yes > Did the auto attack crit? Yes > Is the enemy still at 75%+? Yes > Auto attack again, if it crits, go all in!"
@@spiritblossomshen2145 thats how i feel about sett as trynd lmao
It gets even funnier when he builds Death's Dance. It's like an ulti before his ulti if someone dies to him.
the problem with deaths dance is that it can kill u after r runs out, unless of course u get the kill(s)
@@lgoll If you're ahead enough, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to kill the opponent before it goes off. Tbf, you wouldn't build Death's Dance otherwise.
@@TheIrrelevantYT why would you build dd if you’re that far ahead then?
if you build deaths dance on trynda you int lol
That's kind of a troll build but it's fun
He left out the legendary quadruple crit that only the most skillful Tryndamere players can accomplish.
I got hit with one last week and haven't recovered
quadrafuck
I remember back in the day when the "Tryndamere to Plat" picture was circulating around where it basically just showed you to ignore fights, ignore all other parts of the map and split push top until nexus and it was a legitimate way to actually go to high Gold and even Plat.
When a champion can afford to simply ignore the multiplayer aspect of the game until you force him to play against you - and you still lose because he's just the most brutal stat stick in the game, there is, indeed, a problem.
i fee like this is Yorick now
Just described Yorick. Champ feels designed to minimize interaction all game until he either pushes to your nexus or outstats the entire enemy team.
@@SwamiTheGreatest cough cough trundle cough cough
@@soulsemblance3163 and with hullbreaker these days, an items That literally træls you to ignore your team, its so fucking stupid
Literally tho. At the time i would kill Herald ON SPAWN around 3min 30s or whenever it spawned back then lmfao
Honestly, my only issue with tryn is the lack of interaction. I feel like when I lose my lane to a trynadamere and I ask myself "what did I do wrong here ?" The answer is usually "I got crited" or "he used his ult and now I am sad"
I also feel like the other can be said when you lose lane as trynd because he is very much a stat stick champion where the person with more stats wins
Trynds all about wave management, if you let him crash a wave then set up a freeze you fucked up, same as if a Nasus/Jax/Fiora/Camille did the same to you.
Blaming lack of game state understanding on rng is a sureway to stump your skill growth.
@@radwinabbdullahi6286 He hasn't changed since that era and arguably doesn't need too. And honestly, without makin an AD version of Kassadin - useless until level X where they finally become a champion: i doubt there is a way to fix him. Cause if you remove his stat bonuses....he does nothing.
@@NeODeLeuX crit is rng till 100 no matter how you slice it
To beat trynd you have to:
A. Be a tank and stall him through his ult with cc.
B. Burst him down and pray that he doesn't ult.
C. Play Teemo and burn in hell.
There is no other alternative.
Trynd is one of the reasons why I want them to change "crit chance" to something like "precision" or something, that just gives a percent increase on auto-attack damage. It averages out to the same thing and it just makes more sense. It is just annoying to have the enemy Tryndamere outplay you level one by criting you in the face or loosing a fight bot-lane, because the enemy Draven is blessed by RN-Jesus.
every time i lane against trynd, and he full-casino's it on my ass with 20% or some shit i just tilt off the face of the earth. I can't handle RNG and i can't comprehend why riot just doesnt add 20% AD flat.
Then I hope you enjoy assasins building adc items since the damage cap on crit is higher than lethality lmao.
@@karenwang313 Assassin's already 1 shot. What's the worst that's gonna happen? They kill in 0.1 second instead of 0.2?
@@karenwang313 Could be solved by having it use a non-linear scale. Low Crit chance giving less damage, scaling up till you have double damage at 100%. So Crit still requires a proper item investment to get big numbers. No assassin is gonna gimp their early game by building Crit and anyone that would should already be building Crit assassins then.
Eg: Crit y=x(x÷10)÷10 more auto attack damage
20% = 4%
40% = 16%
60% = 36% (48% with IE)
80% = 64% (86% with IE)
100% = 100% (135% with IE)
@@samlt5 your number is off it would be crit is y=(x÷10)(x÷10) to get
20% = 4%
40% = 16%
60% = 36% (48% with IE)
80% = 64% (86% with IE)
100% = 100% (135% with IE)
because otherwise you have
20% = 40% (20(2))
40% = 160% (40(4))
60% = 360% (60(6)) (480% with IE)
80% = 640% (80(8)) (860% with IE)
100% = 1000% (100(10)) (1350% with IE)
This is my take before watching the video:
-Because he's a split pushing monster.
-Can use his ult during CC.
-You can lose lane to lucky Crits from his passive
-Has a gimmick to reducing his mobility spell, as if we didn't have enough of that in the game.
More like "you will lose lane to lucky crits from his passive".
I mean, he basically spells out that "how to play Trynd gud" means that you take potshots at your opponent until you get one or preferably two crits in a row, and THEN just go all in.
Not to mention that there is a mechanic in game called luck compensation, if you have 40% crit chance but don't crit after a few autos, you will crit the next auto which means that at full fury, if you auto minions twice and don't crit, you're almost guaranteed to do 2 crits out of 3 next autos and if you don't you know it's time to take a break off the game for a week or two. You can practically determine when your luck is favorable to oogabooga your e into the enemy and get that juicy double crit which no matter what will always force the enemy to flee and not even try to fight back because they can't afford anymore trading.
What? Can you send me your source?
@@patrickstar3293 i guess its on the wiki but yeah that exists a lot of games so this when they shift the percentages in your faver very slightly
@@patrickstar3293 The probability of a critical strike changes dynamically based on how many times the attack critically strikes. If an attack does not critically strike over multiple attempts, the probability will progressively increase for future attempts-this can occur vice versa, where multiple successful critical strikes will cause the probability to progressively decrease for future attempts.
From the wiki and also stated in an FAQ
This also exists for loots and other luck base actions in league.
@@UgsOfLorian League does NOT have this feature. Mentioned nowhere, and would be extremely stupid in a game like this. The mechanic you are talking about is used in gacha games, not in MOBA's. It's like saying that CSGO gives you aim assist if you miss 3 shots. Not in the game, never has been, mentioned nowhere on the wiki as well.
Instead, it’s more like you plot a random distribution curve across your next 100 hits with [Crit Chance] * 100 critical hits sprinkled in there.
Only real Trynd mains know the true pain of his real counter, Tahm Kench
not anymore, lethal tempo op
@@goulash6737 not even lethal tempo can save you
What do you mean? You don't like being eaten for the majority of your ult? :']
@@Skooch and stunned and slowed while doing 0 dmg
gotta beat broken with broken
'...you have finally discovered that some champions are just in fact way better than other champions'
asol mains cry hearing this.
including me.
Woah now, a-sol is crying? Isn't that ammumu's thing, not sure, but we better nerf a-sol just in case
@@paulkocherhans608 gotta nerf those tears
Trynd wins early game, if he somehow looses he can literally push “EVERY LANES” with no effort, and clear Camps really really fast, he clears top, travels to jungle and clears everything while he passes through, clears mid and pushes tower, goes through bottom jungle and clears camp Left overs, clears bot and pushes tower, if someone responds to lane he switches to another or “Takes over”
Send One guy to defend, he’ll literally tower dive it, send two he’ll kill them both, send ALL YOUR TEAMATES he’ll waste your time, goodluck killing him, or catching him if you somehow do.
*waste
@@PoopDoopMcGoop oh shit
Wdym Trynd lvl 1 is ass as he has to start E instead of Q for the safety of mobility. Trynds only powerspike before lvl 6 is lvl 2 and only if he gets it earlier than the enemy and has a good amount of fury.
If you let a lvl 1 trynd auto the wave while being any champ besides Kayle you might as well be running it down. If he doesn't stack fury early and gets a lvl 2 advantage he can't kill you at all before 1 recall.
If he loses lane and gets behind he is very vulnerable and can't tower dive one or two people in most scenarios, unless you send your immobile adc. When you have some kind of tankiness/cc or don't get poked before you both are under turret, he cant do shit without help.
@@tenay6309 it doesn’t matter if he looses early game, as long as he knows how to macro properly he’ll eventually get to your Inhibitors and make your life hell dealing with it.
Tryndamere is the definition of “Built Different”
Technically yes? He's built old. Considering other than touch ups on scaling damage and numbers in general, he has literally not changed at all from season 1
@@nightdrivenen7909 Like a Shark, Tryndamere just don't have the need to change because, since he was born, he has been an apex predator
"There's nothing good about relying on a percentage chance to win a fight"
- Skooch 2022
Adc mains crying the corner
Adc's still has their damaging abilities to either fight or poke or both
playing adc is just a coinflip at this point, doesnt matter how good u play, if the enemy nasus is not being attacked by the ally toplaner then u just donzo before meeting him
Also him "Trynd is my favorite champ right now"
Don't even start with adcs, they are the Magikarps of lol. You either help them grow until the late game or they lose matchups agaisnt any other damaging class.
@@snor_flex2613 i learned that i should make more trades with nasus in laning phase the hard way (i was being one shoted as a sett)
Skooch: nobody enjoys fighting a Tryndamere
Teemo mains: Uhmm, u sure buddy?
A guide on how to beat Tryndamere 100% of the time:
ACTIVE - Jax enters Evasion, a defensive stance, for 2 seconds, causing all non-turret basic attacks against him to be dodged for the duration. Jax also takes 25% reduced damage from all area of effect abilities sourced from champions. Counter Strike can be recast after 1 second, and does so automatically after the duration ends.
RECAST - Jax deals physical damage[5] to all nearby enemies, increased by 20% for each attack dodged, up to a 100% increase[6] , and stuns them for 1 second.
[5] Minimum Physicals Damage 55 / 80 / 105 / 130 / 155 (+ 50% bonus AD)
[6] Maximum Physical Damage 110 / 160 / 210 / 260 / 310 (+ 100% bonus AD)
The initial cast and the manual recast count as ability activations for the purposes of on-cast effects such as Spellblade[Sheen] and stacking Force Pulse[Kassadin]. If the ability is not manually recasted, the secondary effect will trigger without being considered as an ability activation.
Counter Strike will also dodge abilities that can trigger on-hit effects (Parrrley[Gangplank], Mystic Shot[Ezreal] ) which will count towards Counter Strike's increased damage. There are exceptions however.
Imagine having to mathematically figure out how to beat a champ then have to perfectly execute the plan while 4 other people try to kill you.
*Jacks
Jax is actually an easy lane for a good Trynd :D
@@yoanasen246 Not anymore, it used to be a skill matchup that you had to win early as Trynd as Jax will eventually become impossible to deal with 1v1.
With new lethal tempo Jax just straight up wins all trades because he can stack it while in his E and you can only run away from him in the meantime, so as Trynd your only option to actually win 1v1 is wishing the jax is dumb and wastes his Q or E in a dumb way and then immediately force a fight and pray you have enough damage to kill him in those 12 secs.
@@NeODeLeuX I agree with you about the meta runes for Trynd and Jax, but that's where Trynd's adaptability comes to the rescue. Both FF and Grasp work quite well against Jax. The extra MS you get from FF allows you to win small trades and escape before he jumps on you (enter the bushes) and before he stacks up his LT, often making him waste his stun (the extra healing against champions is also amazing). If you take Grasp, you get tankier which also allows you to outsustain the enemy.
The summoner spells need to be adapted as well - Ignite or Exhaust instead of Ghost. (I personally prefer to take Ignite, as Jax can jump out of range even if exhausted)
Items: Stridebreaker is a good option, but you gotta be more TF-oriented;
You can also go for the standard build with the FF runes.
With Grasp you can go for a bruiser build (or even the troll full tank build), you'll have free 30 minutes against Jax and afterwards, you should just focus on the backline of the enemy, while your team CCs the Jax.
In tough matchups, the 1v1s should be a marathon, not a sprint. The Jax lane is similar to the laning phase against Zoe.
i fought a tryndamere top the other day as vladimir and with my whole kit as well as crown i couldn't run from him he just had too much mobility
No offense but you're one of the few hard counters try checking the match up guide and maybe you'll see what went wrong
Tbf any champ with ghost can run down Vlad.
Umm someone doesnt know to run phase rush 💀
@@slippers8000 to be fair any chanp can run down another if one has ghost lol
@@maxzakrzewski1704 I'm a master-d1 Vlad otp
The trynda matchup in top is unplayable for Vlad......in mid at least u outscale him but in top it's a fukin massacre....he beats u in both long and short trades- he outsustain both ur poke and ur healing since vlad's heal on minions early on is shiit- after 6 he can dive u with his jgler even with pool and ult and once he gets berserker greves and some ad and crit from gayforce and has ghost he doesn't even need his jgler to dive and fuk u in the arse
Tryndamere is one of those champs that doesn't really require the person piloting him to play well in order to win but requires the person playing against him to play absolutely perfectly. Tryndamere can make as many mistakes as he wants because, as said in the video, he can just scale and build into a team fighting, tower destroying, AIDS monster later in the game. But if you're playing against him, if you yourself make a SINGLE mistake, he kills you and you're fucked for the rest of the game. The onus isn't on Tryndamere to play better than you to win, the onus is on you not to make a single mistake because of how unforgiving he is to his opponent while being as forgiving as the Pope to the person playing him.
Plus, I've maintained for a while now that if a champ with Tryndamere's ult were released today, the community would have a collective fit at the idea of a champ being able to become literally invincible for 5 whole seconds. If he wasn't one of the "classic" champs, his ult would at the very least have been reduced to 3 seconds or reworked entirely.
One fun trick I like is when i see his crit animation swing getting ready i q heal so i can get healthy and the crits worth of fury gained back than a regular gain
as if the community saying something matters to riot, everyone said revive mechanic was broken but they never removed it.
@@TheReZisTLust If performed perfectly it deals critical morale damage.
Lol, as a trynd jax diamond 2trick i can tell you that if you fuck up once as trynd you lose all agency for the rest of the lane unless your jungler takes pity of you.
Give a good Darius/Jax a 30% health advantage and a pot to still use and you don't get to touch the wave. No wave = no fury = no crits/healing.
@@helojoeywala6622 They removed that atroox revive
I think as a "core" argument about it, it's just not a fun mechanic to play against. Kind of like a fed yi, if you don't have the perfect comp or champ against it, you're just not going to be able to do enough. I think a few champs have this problem where they are infinitely better than others when there isn't a specific counter ie. (Akali, Irelia, Trynd, Yi)
thats actually opposite champ like gp is always good champs like trynda/darius etc require a lot in champ select or they will be useless
that's literally any champion from the past three seasons that are not supps though, Yasuo, Yone, Sett, Zoe, Akshan, Viego, Samira, Qiyana, Sylas, Kai'sa and the list goes on and on. Counterplay isn't part of Riot vocabulary if you're not higher than master. If the guy is not playing a tank or a support and you didn't hard counter picked he's going to crush you the moment he has a better advantage. That's been like that for 5 years now.
@@sharlockshacolmes9381 That's just not true lol, you know the skill ceiling on some of those champs to be good? Compared to a champ that just right clicks you and spins the majority of games. The champs you said HAVE counterplay, especially around predicting movement. Having to focus your whole teams CC into someone plowing through your front line isn't good for the game when the champ just right clicks you and then runs away. He's better in shitlo but his mechanics are meant to be braindead.
@@cythermax skill ceiling =/= skill floor, plus being good at a champ is not the same as being good at the game. There are plenty of excellent OTP at every level of play but only the players that understand the game go higher that diamond. Sure Trynd is pretty brain dead in any 1v1 situation but the moment you know how to play against him he can't do shit. You don't need to win skirmishes against a Trynd to win the game you just have to manage him while you take objectives just like a Yi, a Jax or any of the early champions.
@@sharlockshacolmes9381 Yasuo's way older than literally every other champ you mentioned.
And yes, as annoying as they can be, they have shit you can dodge. How the fuck do you dodge a rightclicker? Besides, this argument of "oh but uuuh other champs worse" is not the point. Trynd's kit isn't healthy anymore, both to the game and the Trynd players themselves. They're basically playing coinflip.
2:28 hmm yes, this training dummy does be looking like it has 0.66 attack speed and 1000 health.
I think it was spose to zoom in on ghost and flash :p
I have always and will always believe that tryndamere is the most broken champ in the game. I don’t know why riot thought that lvl 1 crit and and ult that allows you to just not die for 7 seconds WITHOUT any consequences is ok. Champs like kindred after ulting heals EVERYONE. Taric has to time his perfectly and pantheon can only be invulnerable from one direction, and ALSO can be killed by turrets. All these champs suffer a weakness or disadvantage from in invulnerability, but tryndamere? Nah. But wait, there’s more. Early game if he engages in u and decides he wants u ded he will run u down under turret even if u have flash. He brings ghost so he uses that and his e and he will ALWAYS outrun u.
yes akshan and yone are definitely more balanced, keep on the copium bro
Laughs in jax
@@helojoeywala6622 it’s just an opinion my guy
@@helojoeywala6622 I’d rather fight the 200 years champs than Tryn
It's 5 secs of ult, not 7. Just don't let him stack fury lvl 1 and he can't do nothing to you 1v1 till lvl 6, if he does get lvl 2 advantage because you're playing Kayle or something else like that or had to leash then just respect him while he has full fury and hope he deosn't freeze on you because at that point you'll need your jungler to break the freeze.
The problem with some moba characters is that in solo their tiering should be way different. Because without a team on mic some characters are monsters! But in teams ehhh
And unless you have a premade, there are not many people who would go mic in solo. If only to preserve their sanity...
You also have to take into consideration that his late game R has such a low cooldown so it‘s basically up for every teamfight. And with the newest addition of Axiom Arc which can be a niche Trynd purchase it‘s not just a possibility that his ult is up it‘s for sure up.
I have had my ult 3 times in a team fight I basically went "to angry to die" for 15 seconds
Tryndamere is the only champ that I haven't played since the mastery system. And thats on purpose. I will reroll him in aram if i have too. When they released the mastery system i sweared that I wouldn't play him until he got a rework. Because riots are hypocrites. They murdered oldtrox but are keeping tryndamere as is
i did the same with leblanc fuck both these champions
just so you know he is on the planned reworks list
@@josephnolan6323 At leash LeBlanc requires its player to think
@@mistywww3199 Nope. Not for a very long time, at least. And if they do, the ult isn't going and neither his is crit chance. They're just going to make his heal more interactive and change around how his w works. That's a blatant given ever since the backlash of aatrox rework. They're ONLY going to stick with previous concepts on a champion's playstyle
Funny thing about your comment.. I was maining Aatrox, then he got reworked. Hated the changes, so I tried to find something that was similar. Trynd is the most similar to old Aatrox, and so, he became my main.
As for the person in this thread saying Trynd players don't need to think.. You're wrong. I just don't need to use combo 2A in this situation, rather than combo 17D... Basically, I'm not doing calculus in my head about which of my 20 ability combo variations I need to use in any given moment.
I DO, however, need to think about my level vs yours, my rage bar state, the match-up, items and item/level spikes, who can I actually all-in on the enemy team if I'm joining a team fight, dodging cc, wave management, jg location (both teams), counter jungling, is it safe to split or not, do I have enough mobility to catch someone, do I have my ult available before I all-in, and much MUCH more.
Just because a champion's kit isn't complex with tooltips that are walls of text, doesn't mean a champion is braindead. It just allows me to focus on the game itself, rather than performing my combos pixel perfectly.
Skooch: Nobody likes fighting a tryndamere
Jax: *sneeze*
I mean, tryndamere is the definition of a stat stick, but he also gets to just, NOT DIE for 5 seconds whenever he wants, and has a dash that gets reduced by crits. He is literally everything riot has been working to remove since like season 5 encapsulated into a single champion.
the only reason ive ever killed a tryd as a top lane kayle main was when I popped all my abilities, used my ult on warwick and killed him after he smashed my skull into a pulp
The annoying thing about Trynd is that you can shit on him in lane, get tons of damage and it just doesn't matter because he can hit R and negate everything. Played Nasus and got Trynd picked into me. Ended up out CSing him a ton in lane and finished 1/0 as we killed him on a gank. He got some cs late and suddenly you can't do shit. He flash spins into the backline and I can oneshot him with my Q but he can just press R and auto me down while I can't do shit to him other than slow and run away. His ult cooldown is also so low that it'll be back up by the next fight.
"Raaaaaaaaaaahhh..."
Losing against a Trynda playing nasus and complaining? No ma'am
You actually playing a champ that can be 0/10 and actually can still 1v1 anyone, and you complain about Trynd, not to mention that your champ out scales Tryndamere mid to late game so hard.
@@FrenzyGamingTV Firstly, Nasus can 1v1 anyone if he has a ton of stacks. That's independent of kills, but it still means he has to be ahead. Prevent him from farming by bullying him and he won't be a problem. Secondly Trynd may be outscaled by Nasus, but my point is that he has 100% crit and can two shot my ADC while I do insane damage to him which he completely ignores because he's LITTERALLY INVINCIBLE.
Lastly I'm not a Nasus main or anything. I actually play Trynd more because he ends up being way more consistent as he gets his ult regardless of how well you lane, whereas Nasus needs to farm.
@@_lime. Tryndamere can still get outplayed from an ADC, expect the ADC is 0/10 and he can't do anything to him. Nasus just point and click ccs you, and you can't escape against him, except only if a teammates help you. Nasus needs farm?? He needs a good amount of 300-350 stacks after 20 min, and he beats everyone. Tryndamere still loses some late game match ups, (Jax, Fiora, Shen, Malphite, Nasus) but Nasus doesn't, and because he gets bullied, does not deny the fact that he can play supper safe, and farm until he has decent stacks to kill everyone in 1v1. I beat a Nasus, he went 0/8 and guess what, 3 min roam and close mid game, he build 3 tank items, and he actually beat me to death.
funny how his lvl 1 calculations are if youre at 1% health and full fury at lvl 1 while thats not a normal situation at all
You know a champion needs a rework when you can accidentally take him support and still win lane with no prior experience on the champ
He's strong cause his w reduces adcs attack and the supports cant do shit when a tryn runs adc down
A guy I watch named Trinimmortal used to have the best description for Trindamere’s passive. ‘When am I going to randomly win the lane?’
Yeah, Trynd do be kinda a noob trap. Looking easy as hell, and he has the chance to reward bad habits with his percentage crit.
"Stay in fountain. That's a good one." Tryndamere R
Tryn is a relic of the old LoL, like most immobile mages except he isn't left behind. He's fully exploiting the changes that have been made.
He was annoying and something that a team had to consider if it was on the opposition, but having a jungler slap him down early so that he couldn't snowball ahead of the other top was the way to deal with him.
These days in solo though... Having the jungler only gank one lane, even if it's working perfectly, will tilt the other laners.
So even if you could get the jungler to babysit top you might lose because mid gets caught out, blames jungler, and then ints for the rest of the game.
Exactly that. I had a great game of fiddle where I ganked 3 times pre 6 (and fiddle has a huge powerspike at 6 so generally you want to powerfarm, so 3 ganks is a lot) 2 kills on top and burned flash on mid.
And then we lost because bot fed their laners and blamed me for never ganking.
exploiting what? bro had a shit winrate across all brackets for an eternity 💀
I learned that this also happens on Yone apparently, even if he’s behind, he will hurt when he gets 2-3 items
Because hey... Lets Double crit
And what makes it worse in my opinion how The Executioner can’t counter Tryndmere’s ultimate even though it’s a 2500 gold item, but Quicksilver Sash can counter literally any cc ability in the game is just insane, especially when such a huge part of the game is supposed to be itemization.
"He's good at split pushing when you left him alone 5 sec he clear your top side"
**laugh in trundle top**
I remember a time when melee carries like Tryndamere, Master Yi, Fiora, and technically Gangplank were a complete. My how times changed.
Master Yi is now the most played solo jungler in blind pick because his skill floor is in the basement.
Fiora is the 1v1 melee master her lore has always portrayed her as.
Gangplank has barrels now, but he's still not fun to play against.
And Tryndamere has gone from stomping noobs that play high damage champs without CC to stomping any team that suffers from main character syndrome.
Many characters have a win button, tryndamere u can potentially not click once and win
Tryndamere was actually my first Main back when i first played the game back in 2014 or 2015 and he is still my best pick today. Hell, i even found ways to beat absolute counterpicks like Teemo and Jayce.
hi relatively new trynd main could you please share some of the ways of beating counterpicks?
started maining him in 2016, back when you used to build hydra for him
Le dot
teemo and jayce and ranged tops dont counter trynda at all all
@@patryknowak2737 just let wave be on your side then all in with teemo you can just rundown him and while his blind is up just don't auto him
about jayce just bait his thing where he knocks you away and then all in
Bro tryndamere has been this way for seasons. But everyone has mobility so regardless of ghost/flash gale force it’s still hard to stick. On top of that his team fight is dogwater.
I remember a game I played not too long ago when I went Top against a Tryn as Darius (yes I know I'm an asshole) and I thought it was gonna be an easy win...God was I wrong.
I mean we still won the game after I got a Quadrakill and the enemy team surrendered, but still that early game against Tryn was infuriating af
finally someone fucking said it.The fact that he is insanely strong early and a very hard scalling champ with invuln ult screams wtf am i supposed to do??? well i can build armor but wait he built kraken and now im dead again.he also can build grudge later btw for more armor pen.i can justify things like nasus and kayle somehow (though it still pretty unfair to lose the game ur team was stomping cuz kayle just hit lvl 16 gg,or nasus being so fucking tanky at 15-20 mins to bonk you for half health with dvivine and 100-200+ stacks) but then comes tryndamere
this is so sad, lets nerf Rek'sai
Sona is op!!!
@@freyfromfuture sona is meh, how about we nerf champs like Vi, or Victor, or you know. Akshan
dont forget the fact that he now goes for tenacity runes so its harder to chain CC him.
If you haven't yet, give tank Tryndamere a try. It's really fun to play him with sunfire aegis, hullbreaker, steraks and have like 350 ad, 40% crit, and 3k health with good resistances. It lets him build full tank and do bruiser damage or build bruiser and do assassin damage all while being unkillable- sometimes you can fight for 10 seconds BEFORE you even ult
Wasnt this also tried at last Worlds? I mean its sounds nice, but does this realy work? 😅
Thank you I will now start playing Tryndamere
Skooch: "7 seconds of cc is hard"
Morgana Seraphine and Lux: "Hold our beer"
More like: „Hold our Cosmo”
was expecting the video title, "rek'sai s teir sexy" today. this one was a great alternative! i'm glad you're enjoying pushing out content all your vids and streams are bangers. thanks skooch!
its pretty easy to counter teemo with just runes and boots. I saw enemy had a teemo and a morg and I was trying out master yi, In my runes alone and mercs I was getting 50-60% tenacity. It's super easy to put those in tryndameres runes and win against teemo, you just have to know how to kite properly when he does blind you for 3s x 0.4 (60% tenacity) = 1.2s blind.
Which can go even lower if you took sunfire and you get elixir of Iron.
You haven't known fear when you haven't seen a 95% tenacity garen moving at 600 move speed, making a 3s morg stun a 0.2s stun.
Edit: Supposedly morg stun can only go down to 0.3s no matter how much tenacity you have. the more you know. And same with any stun in the game.
FYI CC duration cannot be reduced below 0.3 seconds.
@@Pr1est0fDoom Eh, close enough.
Remember when his ult in season 1 was 10 seconds good old days
What? it was 8 seconds in the beta (source: i played during the beta) and by like early season 1 it was already 5 seconds.
Glad he made this video because people need to be aware of how much Trynda needs a full rework, not only is his design lame as fuck and his animations ugly and clunky, his gameplay is just bullshit and has been bullshit for quite some time.
The fact that he hasn't been on a single rework poll or ever mentioned as a possible VGU is so fucking bizarre
He's on the rework list. He's just not next. I expect he'll be reworked late 22/early 23.
Well, the last buffs pushed him over the top. There is a reason why a stat check champ that brings 0 value to a proplay environment became a pick or ban in proplay. He is simply overstatted.
He got picked for one month because ofan item and then never again. Not an argument here. If statcheck was the issue they'd all play kayle, yi, jax, and irelia way more often.
@@entropy7705 isn't irelia and jax played often tho?
@@ArcadianCatharsis What fucking pro play game has a jax or irelia pick that has won? And I'm not counting Soloq, I'm talking about the full on stage.
@@entropy7705 idk, just asking
When I'm adc and at 15 min I see the enemy tryndamere 5/0 I know I just lost and it feels really frustrating that I literally can't do nothing about him unless he burns his ultimate, flash, ghost, gale force, e and one of my teammates doesn't stay in his melee range. Just so much work to kill 1 person. This game never surprises me anymore
If you are adc and there is an enemy trind tou know that psycho Will use everything at you even If you are 0/1345
Otp Tryndamere 2M Mastery points Diamond/Master elo over here, not flexin just wanna say I agree with you, my champ is op, but truly op not like "Oh Malphite ulted me from a bush, so unfair" no, Trynd is truly Over Powered, so many options to play, so many ways to carry, he's by far the most versatile champion in the game, can do what any other champ do but easier, Invincible on 1 v 1's with the right runes and build, an old champion from a different age of the game that doesn't belong here anymore
Gangplank isn't picked as much as Trynd, but that champ's bullshit has been flying under the radar for years.
Worst thing: GP mains seem to complain that every other toplane champ is broken. That being said, he's hard to master, yes. But buying Sheen and pressing Q everytime Grasp is up isn't
If you know how to see mistakes it's a free lane till high diamond.
@@Sage11 most melee champs get in a position where they have to cs with abilities against him. The thing is, if they go even cs, GP gets bonus gold. You recall (let's say on Gwen for the sake of arguing), get your leeching Leer, you've got boots and a blasting wand. GP comes back at the same time, boots and Essence Reaver. Lands a barrel, then he presses Q. Congrats, you went equal on farm and now you're 30%HP and just got to lane. Oh, and he's full hp and mana (minus the Q cost, Barrels are free). And his passive is up, don't get too close now.
AND THE LEGEND IS BACK WITH DAILYS
I wish crit only happens when you're lower than 30% or something hp, would also make more sense tbh
So it could only work on the wind shitters and tryndamere?
Do you mean like a finisher? Against low health players?
Been banning trynd for over 3 years. This video just makes me justified in never seeing that champ in my game ever.
Been a Tryndamere main since my first season and I'm still one, even tho I've hit masters this season and yes its, beyond braindead. I play autopilot all the time and somehow comeout on top and i don't know why, but i average 5 deaths and afk split a lot.
When a masters player can just admit to turning his brain off because he plays a champ and win anyway
@@bevvvy1374 this post is total bs, as soon as you reach D2 if you just braindead split you're just gonna get collapsed and then lose 1 or 2 objectives.
Either OP is not masters or is lying about his gameplay.
Source: D1 peaker Trynd/Jax player.
If even RangerZX (one of the best Trynds in the world) has problems with carrying on smurf queue vs diamond players then it can't be as braindead as op says.
@@NeODeLeuX i dont think about how to play, i just do it subconciusly, i turn off my brain. mad respect to rangerzx since hes alot better than me and ive only peaked in masters but finished s11 in d2
This is just a fake comment, saying "I'm a tryndamere main and I auto pilot". You can auto pilot even with Azir.
19 seconds and I'm already commenting but fr tho tryn is cancer
At some point making his ult behave like a normal ability which cannot be activated while heavy cced would make him more balanced. He would be heavyily nerfed so some compensation to other parts of his kit could be ajusted
Oh yeah. Start by making his E cooldown gimmick nonexistent. Make it so it only has flat cooldown that goes lower by levels. Say, 4-5 seconds flat like Jax Q.
Then make his W ONLY work when they're actually turnt around so he couldnt just instantly remove your stats from range.
Remove the base healing from his Q and only give it healing when he has rage so Trynd players actually have to interact than just relying on bs regen + fleet + second wind + doran's shield + their Q for a laming phase.
Then make his ult scale with levels. 3-5 seconds of undeath sounds good, so people actually level it up than just put one point on it and dump the rest of the points on his other abilities.
Legit if he just couldn't hit R when stunned he would immediately feel infinitely better to play against
So in other words, it's Malphite's time to really shine.
I remember the good times of having 1% crit change with the old runes. That awe of doing a crit (or two, three lol) on your trades/fights at early levels was as hooking as gambling 😌
Those were weird funny times
Tryndamere is not longer the barbarian king. He is now the Pinball Wizard
The only defense against Tryndamere is killing him as many times as you possibly can before level 6. Once he gets level 6 you will never have a fair fight again. Either you win the duel but then he ults and spins away +ghost +flash. Or he gets far enough ahead that he can tower dive you with or without a jungler and not worry about trading with his ult. I've always thought that Tryndamere's ultimate should silence all of his basic abilities while it's active. It's UNDYING RAGE not UNDYING COWARDICE.
Thank you, Skooch.
I’m just waiting for riot to make an anti crit item at this point
Randuin ?
Randuins
Ah I remember pre-nerf Randuins.
God please, bring that back.
Skooch talking abt getting double crit by trynda and triple
Me who got crit 5 times by trynda and lost the fight in less than 30 secs: yeeeep
You have to cc trynda for 7 secs? I got cced as sett for 10 secs from tahm and elise and i still killed tahm :)
Tryn has too much when it comes to free bonus stats
Why do people keep calling it free bonus stats, they are quite literally part of his power budget, he's balanced around it. It's like saying Camille get's a ton of free bonus shields because of her passive, this argument always puzzled me.
Smite had multiple characters with early game crits, but in a single patch they reworked 3 passives in because of this issue
Pog, new video
Silence is a good way to deal with him.
I think his damage is somewhat fair, but the amount of sustain is what makes him so goddamn strong
I mean this all sounds really op with Tryn.. but keep in mind how insane the cc chains in this game are. We also have Galeforce, Shieldbow, the crown item (-75%dmg for 1,75secs), guardian angel, HOUR GLASS. And i dont want to forget the even more mobile champs like akshan, zeri, quiana. Its getting harder and harder for tryn to keep up. If u dont believe me search for "why nobody is playing tryndamere". And also watch the videos from fogged if u want to learn the weaknesses of Tryn- he has many. Fogged also admits that, but hes and damn fucking good player.
i think as a MINIMUM, Tryns ult needs to be something that cant be used when cc'ed.
Forcing players to choose when the best time to ult will be for maximum effect instead of just last moment fuckery.
Even kassadins struggles to catch him after lvl 16
200 yrs design:
"You're Kassadin!"
"And what do I do?"
"You silence things and your ultimate is an upgraded form of flash, that no other champion gets!"
Tryndamere: **Snickers in spin**
I'm glad I'm not the only one that thinks that champion is a menace. Getting to ignore building resistances because of a "I don't die" button feels so upsetting to play against.
Imagine that dota have a Champion with the same ability as trynda ult except It is a normal skill and can give tô anyone
@@Leonardodeboni0406 at least Axe ult can kill people who are protected by Dazzle's grave. Tryndamere is literally unstoppable.
What’s wild to me is that statistically trind is fine, slightly under 50% win rate in all ranks even if he’s annoying as hell
Tryndamere is my best character. I have almost a 70% wr on him and is easily my best champion. I however hate playing him. It gets so boring and I feel like I’m cheating. I used him to get to almost gold 1 but I couldn’t keep doing it so I play other champs and get shit on back to gold 4. I just can’t keep playing him more than once or twice 😂
Title before : Why everyone HATES TRYNDA
Title after : Why trynda is a problem
Me : "Go back."
Honestly when I was on point in top lane lol, Trynd was one of the few matchups I truly understood, all I had to do was engage when his rage bar was empty & disengage if he was stacking his rage faster than I could kill him, if done correct you can bully him & starve him off of CS, especially if you freeze near your tower.
Trynd feels like a balanced matchup that you can actually read, react & (try to) outplay, which is a breath of fresh air... Compared to what we normally have to deal with (waifu champs dashing across multiple screens, while their face roll abilities often have 0 counterplay! Camille, Riven or Fiora am I right?)
Hard disagree. Trynd players nowadays KNOW that they can gamble hp for their enemy's resources. Since out of combat sustain is such a menace that Riot actively kills it in place of IN-combat healing (Conq or Aatrox) Trynd players always just attrition the lane. Turning it into a "which one of us has better sustain"
Comparatively, Irelia/Fiora/Riven players are, despite their obvious superiority complex issues, one-dimensional and easy to predict. You KNOW what they want to do because every single fucking one of them does it. It's like Lee Sin players and their fetishes for flashy InSecs.
Trynd? You never know if the player is a total brainfart who just rightclicks to win or he's a degenerate who lames his opponents through over the top means of sustaining the lane.
@@Geheimnis-c2e Wdym Trynd's gameplan is obvious as hell, he's one of the most straightforward champs in the game, either he can kill you outright or he has to wait for you to make a mistake. Most champ can rely on straight up mechanics to win a fight they should've lost on paper just because they execute their champ better than their opponent does theirs, champs like Trynd/Garen/etc excel on punishing mistakes.
That's why they are mostly doodoo in high elo, because there's less mistakes to punish.
Draven Q like a crit. And its also can crit. So Draven have crit of crit! 400% dmg from one Q, call the police!
My bf likes to “cry” sometimes about losing a lane as trynda 0/3
But then after two mins he just goes 20/3 and forgets that he even complained
Trynda mains at its finest
if you see someone locking in tryndamere with ghost in wild rift you know you're gonna lose
if the enemy picks tryndamere, i usually go yone or jax. its a rlly ez matchup imo
i want to see skooch rant about yi
Ok bois TP got officialy NERFED ffs, round of applause for riot and their next mistake.
My only gripes are how he has bruiser/juggernaught levels of regen without being an actual juggernaught and how he has poke that also doubles as disengage, meaning trades with it almost always end up positive.
This is near pre-rework Pantheon levels of monke mode.
But he IS an actual juggernaut. It's just optimal for him to build like an adc to maximise damage output (and get the most out of that 5 sec invulnerability from ult).
As for the poke/disengage, you must be talking about his E. You have to choose to use it for engage or disengage, ESPECIALLY in the early game. This is one of the things that separates the good from the bad Trynd players. Bad ones will literally spin at the enemy to engage, not crit, so the cd isn't reduced, and then have no escape if things go badly. Also, it's not a "poke" ability. Poke is safe, long range damage, that let's you damage without engaging, think of Zoe or Varus Q as examples.
Lots of people hate on Trynd. Most of the time, it's because they don't understand that he IS balanced. They just don't know how his kit works and how to play around it. Just like all of the players who will EVERY-DAMN-TIME ping Trynd's R if he gets 100-0 in .00001 seconds, and didn't hit his ult in time.
I enjoy fighting Tryndamere as exactly Darius. No other character. But that's because I get more free stats and my bleed counteracts his ultimate when he runs away, but again that's just laning phase and he still fucks me over later.
"No one likes playing against tryndamere"
Thx for inspiring me to main tryndamere
Just reminded when Smite removed crit chance from all kits for their characters.
I always view crits as a % increase to my damage, like a full fury bar early game is an average of 130% damage. Combine that with 2 points in Q and good early trades and you can reliably get kills without praying for crits. Sometimes you lose because you hit 5 times and got no crits, but you'll know you made the correct play given what you know.
Yeah tryndamere is gameplay wise the worst designed champion in the game if you don’t count yuumi as a champion
He’s fine don’t hurt the good Viking boi
Riot Games should make crit so it's consistent like every so and so autos will crit, not have a random chance to