Kayle being the "chosen one" who will eventually be useful while dragging everyone else down with her neediness and Morgana being helpful and useful the whole time while being the one who has to deal with adcs and their egos fits their lore pretty well though haha
It would make more sense if morgana was more of a support she plays better in mid because of her offensive capabilities tbh and is unsatisfactory at best to an adv
@@shamrockgaming9505 Eh, depends on comp; she hard-counters so many supports and even a few ADCs and Junglers with her E (black shield) alone; got a Pyke trying to snipe your ADC and stunlock them to death with their ADC? Well, now his hook doesn't work, his E was wasted on air and suddenly he's mispositioned with half his abilities down. Blitzcrank issues? Black shield and decent reaction speed sorts em. Thresh issues? Well, Black shield doesn't stop him from leaping at the target but it does stop the hook and his entire CC combo. Leona and Naut might as well AFK while black shield's up. Evelyn visits your lane? Nice joke, shame she can't charm you so her entire combo's fucked. Etc etc.
@@Neion8 Meanwhile morgana on Mid hard counters Leblanc, she also counter lots of other mid laners that aren't that much popular anymore but sometimes happens to appear, lvl up her W first makes some mid laners farming hell because they have a really hard time farming under tower early so they either ends up wasting tons of farm or wasting lots of mana to keep up the farming race, what made her goint out of mid his both AD mid laners meta and how got of a supp she is.
@@shamrockgaming9505 I guess if you are really shit at Morgana this might be the case. Or if you play Ezreal? maybe? Like most other poke supports her job is to tell the enemy adc and support to fuck off. Just standing near the minions or in a bush is enoughto zone if you havent used your q recently. Her e allows her to just stop other sups from existing. In aggro lanes shes good cause she can set up a kill with a q. if its a passive afc she can tell the enemy to stop existing near her precious adc
Kayle late game is still a glass cannon that can be busted down by a zed or yone. Other late game champ like Kass or Vladimir has more potential than her, and they can actually survive laning phase. Anyway, "can we talk about Vladimir" when?
@@tranquangthienphuoc when they made her good on wild rift everyone cried "op pls nerf" and now she's in trash tier again like pc, kayle mains never catch a break.
HE HE HE YOU THINK MAKING YOURSELF INVULNERABLE AND HEALING IS KOOL? hOw AbOuT MaKiNg tHe eNeMy tEAm INVINCIBLE *AND* HEALING THEM?! BWAHAHAHHAHA *See Kindred*
@@mathisblair2798 tbh I was gonna include this but my most recent interactions with kindred ult have been surprisingly good! Although I know we’ve ALL had that ult that resulted in 14 million “kindred r 110 s” pings and question marks hahahahah
@@joaopena9405 yep, Garen is one of those champs I see that I just constantly kite after lvl 6 to get that free lethal tempo to farm even faster and maybe kill him if he gets cocky
@@joaopena9405 And for that, as a Garen main, I use Ghost against Kayle so she autowins less automatically... (Yeah against very good Kayle's I'll always be screwed but banning her isn't worth it since she isn't oftenly played.)
Played a silly game where the whole team was bruiser or tank. We stopped everyone except kayle who played smart. Then at level 16 she shredded all of us without any threat while everyone else on her team struggled to register on the damage charts
I played a lot a kayle, I played her since she looked like a potato and I must saw that her ultimate serves one purpose only. Is to counter burst, to visualise it better imagine that her ult is like fiora w with a longer duration.
I miss potato Kayle... Actually... I miss season 2,it was so stupid and fun... Full ap gragas/poppy/Sion/Kayle + dfg lol Fuckin kassawin e lb with silence lol
As someone who's been maining Kayle ever since I started playing about 3 years ago it's really great to see content creators I look up to and enjoy watching givin her some recognition. Definitely my Favorite champion both Theme and Gameplay wise. Thanks for giving her the love she deserves skooch
A big problem with Kayle is that the whole "fighter support" thing was actually pre rework, and the devs obviously got scared of changing kayle too much, so they left her with her Ult and W even though while they fit her ideas as an angel, they do not fit kayle's playstyle or her lore really
Actually the Q W synergy that lets you kite out/ run people down is still in effect you just have to land Q Idk why skooch skimmed over this since these are holdovers from her previous design which he covered on this channel awhile back
Nah, the real big problem with Kayle is the 'fighter' part of 'fighter support' should be ADC/Marksman since 'Marksman support' (like Senna) fits her kit perfectly after level 6 - the main issue being that she's unplayable bot lane until level 6 and she's too reliant on levels to afford sharing XP, while she's too dependant on other people to be a solo laner since she sacrifices much of her potency for the ability to share - e.g. her Q is a shred rather than a personal penetration ability like Darius, Morde and Pantheon have, her W heals two people and her ult can be used on others as well; which means across the board she gets hit with having lesser potency for the benefit of sharing - which she can't do atm since she's only ever played as a solo laner and so she gets railed by everyone with more selfish abilities. If she started off with the 525 range (like her standard level 6) and got an additional 25 range at level 6 and level 11 with an additional 50 at level 16 (so it still feels like a big upgrade) and if they slightly tone down the impact of xp sharing (which is fucking up botlane alltogether atm regardless of comp) and/or increased the base value of her heal then she could become viable again as something other than a troll-pick forced into top/midlane by people who want to play Kayle but can't since she doesn't work. Either way, balance her for botlane and she'd work.
@@Keurgui1 Kayle is already toxic for everyone (on both teams) lmao. Tbh I could see her coming at the support-marksman from the opposite direction as Senna; Senna is a support who happens to scale infinitely into massive damage if you let her, Kayle is an ADC who happens to have some abilities that can help her support in lane (like healing her Leona/Naut from small amounts of poke damage) rather than it all being a 1-way transaction of aid. It would actually give her some kindof role definition whereas right now she's not really anything except broken.
As a kayle otp, i can safely say i pick her cause i dont trust any of my teammates, and i want a champ that can kite and 1v9 while using my teammates as barricade Also fun fact : dont know if its a bug or propositely designed, but no matter kayle's level, she is always considered a melee champion, which means she can dish full damage from divine sunderer and botrk
@@Significantharrassment thats why i said it may be a bug, but rune-wise i think conq can follow kayle's evolution, items on the other cant tell shes different from when the game started
@@Significantharrassment It's actually pretty ok to build Divine Sunderer if there are tanks or champs with high hp because the spellblade synergizes well with her E's spellblade. And the mythic passive gives her 5% bonus armor and magic penetration. So I think you could just go ahead and go full AP afterwards. Then again, Divine Sunderer on Kayle is pretty situational.. But Kayle is a hybrid champion that can benefit from literally almost any item..
My biggest issue with Kayle is justification. Riot literally said she was in a bad spot because she was near worthless in the early game and op endgame. Then they rework her to forcefully be even more of that. You literally can just itemize old Kayle to lvl 1 hyper carry, in theory. It is impossible to be anything more than a adc pre 11, and adcs are in a terrible spot. Her ult has got to be one of the worst reworks. She is 100% auto base regardless of what you build and her ult not only stops her autos but doesn't scale off them. If you stop autoing for 2s at a 2.0 auto does the ult make up the difference in lost damage? No! Why? Because it's easy to avoid the damage even if they increased the damage to scale with attack speed and it doesn't apply on hits.
Her kit is great she is just hard. Very hard. But she is a fantastically designed champion with clear strengths and weaknesses. And she can be VERY strong in any scaling comp
@@mr.joesterr5359 Again I think your forgetting 2 things: 1) Never talked about difficulty. Talked about identity. Riot hated her original identity, hence the rework...then they go ham with the original identity and make it worse. Because remember her issue was never the endgame, it was the early game. And they literally made it impossible to be anything more than a melee minion. Your base stats and literally being gated from doing your skills (such as the AOE from her E, or being ranged at all, or the AOE from max stacks). Even if you are god tier skilled with her, it's impossible to unlock her potential due to how EXP is handled in game. 2) Remember her original kit. Her passive just worked, didn't need to land the short range, slow moving, Q. Her old Q was a point and click, you couldn't possibly miss. This makes it less of the skill issue you are talking about. He W is unchanged, and her E is still a empowered auto. The difference is: she only needed about 25% cdr to have perm uptime and you are ranged AND AOE (100% spread) at lvl 1. Lastly her ult never took her out of the fight. I've beaten what's considered OP now, Tryn with her old ult. Why? Cuz even if tryn is immortal he still get's shredded w/ her passive AND her ult I used at max hp so tryn did no dmg when both our ults were on. So tryn was at 1 hp and I was full hp when both timed out, and he had no way to heal because my passive shredded him to one shot range. Outside of visuals what does this new Kayle do better? She no longer gets true dmg. Her only benefit is just raw scaling, just number tweeks. But technical skill is much higher and her overall kit is nerfed with her ult and Q relying on more skill.
@@peternash7104 Maybe she has problems now, but I personally find a better champ identity in the current Kayle than I did pre-rework, even though she has some pretty big flaws; I still find that scaling identity sits forward regardless, I feel like power is being spoonfed for me making good plays and surviving.
In my opinion Kayle’s best role is mid. It’s much easier to get CS as you aren’t punished as hard by freezes and wave management, you have good kill pressure at level 6 against most midlanders, and post six Kayle is actually really good at rotating to help junglers because of her supporting abilities. Also you will tend to have a better team comp as Kayle fits more into a mage carry archetype than any of the bruiser or tank archetypes that toplaners are expected to play
I had a friend that was increadible at support, and he decide kayle support would be the best place for her And it was AMAZING we duoed samira kayle, when both of them were at thier worst abd had a 90ish% winrate
The way the kit was laid out in this video honestly gave me a supportish vibe tbh. She has a heal and her ult grants invulnerability for her our a teammate. I feel like when the champion was made, riot was arguing whether she should be top or a support
Back in S2 she was a support. Protect the hypercarry comps were meta. Nothing more satisfying than popping R on a kogmaw that planted and just aced a team with AA's while taking 0 dmg. Same for vayne, or yi, or any other AS based champion. She was never intended to be a carry im not sure why they reworked her like this. Problably because they would have to make her #'s so rediculous to work vs the amount of harass available in the current meta that her solo laning would be too much. Even if her power budget was ballanced better between her E and W.
@@strilteras2321 In S2 Kayle would 2hit you with QE going full AP lol Like most mages. Sure she was also good for ad hyper carries with her ult, but was also a good solo later, that could ult adc in fights.
im so happy to see you back on this series skootch im so happy you found a way to make videos and be happy (as a guy who had insomnia i know how hard it can be) and i love watching your vids especially the can we talk about this series keep doing whatever makes you happy skootch
love this champ, kayle basically taught me how to play league when I first started playing. And as a new player it felt good that I would be usefull eventually even if I did not win lane. Also love her mix of support and fighter and all the utility in her kit. I always viewed it as kayle basically being her own support that peels for herself.
The problem with kayle is that pre rework, she was designed as a mage who happened to be able to hype carry. And then when she was reworked Riot latched on to the hyper carry aspect and based her whole value on her ability to hyper carry but had to keep her old "mage focused" skills somehow. I genuinely think she'd be a lot better if they had just changed her q from being point and click (which was bullshit, don't get me wrong) to what it is now with similar numbers and still force her to derive a lot of her hyper carry value from items instead of giving her a voucher saying "it's okay to build whatever you want, it won't matter before level 16"
the problem, is that Kayle isnt just a Hypercarry. While its been too weak to be worth doing for a long time now, Kayle is also a SUPPORT. thats why her Q damage is low but SHREDS, why she has a HEAL, and why her Ult is best used on someone else who CAN attack during its duration (like another hypercarry marksman)
In my experience in SoloQ most of the time it´s a waste to use Ult on someone else unless it´s premade/Duo, because most of the time they will int it down regardless.
I really think that Riot represents her “Justice” really wrong. I get that she is a supposed counter-character to Morgana, but for Kayle being “Justice” itself is truly the equivalent of ending bullies, after being bullied. Justice is when you see somebody being attacked and you’d be getting yourself in a nice fight to save a life, go with the victim to the police, describe the attacker and after being judged by the court, send him to prison. But Kayle looks like a cover up for Ghost Rider’s spirit of Vengeance, rather than the Divine Justice. I’m not saying she is useless, but what i am trying to say is that she needs a big change in her abilities so you can feel yourself as the embodiment of “Divine Justice”. Like a second passive that allows you to hit like a hot pan in the face when an ally dies, stacking up to 4 times, each time getting more and more powerful based on your Auto’s damage; A skill shot that is like Kalista’s E, but causes you to BLEED; An AoE zone that boosts ally’s AS by a certain %; And a ult that combines the E, with Ziggs’s bombs…Meaning doing this sword rain and if they hit an enemy champ you can recast it and do bonus True Damage based on targets’s missing health. If she was supposed to be a Hyper-carry, then i cannot think of a better total ability rework on this gorgeous angel. I’m not a Kayle main (obviously) but if every champ had to be broken, i could be the man to give such ideas
Actually, her getting justice wrong was intended. Morgana and Kayle are both the aspect of Justice, but split in half. Kayle is punishment and judgement, while Morgana is Mercy and Understanding. Morgana will forgive murderers and then let them murder again and Kayle will execute j-walkers. I don't like it either, especially as an old kayle main, but it makes sense at least.
Kayle is a villain. She doesn't care about saving lives or anything. She quite literally says "No human is perfect, but I am not human" and "There is only right and wrong. All else is rationalization." She doesn't give a fuck about people, all she wants is to remain on her high horse and punish anyone she deems as doing wrong, not because it is right, but because it makes her feel powerful
@@oh7mak Except Kayle and Morgana aren't aspects. It's been confirmed. They didn't climb Mt. Targon hence they aren't considered aspects. What power they have came from their mother, who was the Aspect of Justice.
They really just needs to make Kayle start as a ranged champ and make her autos tickle. At least this way she can farm early and provide some damage pre 6. As for the ult she should just be able to ult another teammate without the penalty. She should only be stuck in the animation if she ults herself. As of right now in the late game you want to ult yourself 99% of the time but with this you’d have the option to ult someone else without making yourself useless. They could even add a delay when you ult someone else that way everyone has time to react kind of like Tariq ult but with a much smaller delay. There’s nothing worse than when you ult your adc that got caught who then flashes backwards because they didn’t realize you ulted and then to compensate for the early mistake of flashing back they gale force forward only to die immediately because the ult wears off
I love this series, and I enjoy seeing how far it's come. This is probably my favorite video in the series so far!!! Good stuff skooch! This was almost good enough for me to subscribe!!!
Hey Skooch,can you re-do a "Can we talk about this?" about Pantheon? The last one you did was before his rework(And nerfs).I would like to hear your opinion on the character. Also,I am still sad they killed Pantheon Top and Pantheon Jungle just like how they killed him in lore.Oh and also Pantheon Support but that was deserved.
As a (former) Kayle main goddamn that ending hurt lmao. I really think Kayle's passive should work like Viktor where it scales off the number of minions she killed instead of total levels. It would make her actually playable in bot lane where (ima be real with you chief) she _clearly_ wants to be. Maybe instead of 100 minions per ascension it goes 50/100/150/200? IDK 500 CS is a lot when Viktor only needs 300 but I think Kayle shouldn't be a melee minion for the first 7 minutes of the game. Tbh just make her ranged at level 1 and she'd probably at least be tolerable.
@@shamrockgaming9505 The whole point is to move Kayle away from going top - right now, she's played there by people who want to play Kayle but can't play her bot because she gets spanked by almost every marksman in existence from the moment she reaches lane, so much like Lucian, Akshan and (to an extent) Vayne, she got exiled to top/midlane since at least there, the small amount of range she has can be an advantage. Caitlyn top can also be a (very powerful/annoying) thing, but because it's an idea that shits on team comp people usually play her bot. Give Kayle mains the same option and they'll make the same choice. Especially since unlike Lucian, Akshan and Vayne, she doesn't even have the mobility to really make solo-laning as a squishy work.
That feel when you're playing Kayle and you're fighting Irelia and she's tearing your asshole apart and her jungle ganks twice and releases the Rift Herald on your turret. I've never been so close to rage quitting a game in many months. We won it tho.
Her r is mainly for allowing her jungler to actually gank her. (She can tank and then r herself so that she doesn’t die and her jungler can kill the enemy)
How to fix Kayle: -Make her Q stun on hit, swap the damage vulnerabilities to her W -Remove the healing and speed bonus on her W, which can now be casted on herself, allies, or enemies, when cast on herself/allies, they gain damage resistances, when cast on enemies, they gain vulnerabilites -Give her R the speed bonus that her W had, making it a more viable escape or engage option
This kind of just makes her more of a support rather than a hypercarry. I suggest that they buff early numbers but keep the same late game and either give movement speed on ult or perhaps if you cast it on someone else, you can still auto attack. Also, perhaps give her range immediately and instead of range at level 6, give her the attack speed stacks.
@@zer0stars Honestly i think making Kayle a support would benefit her, she is already viable as one since she has 2 skills that don't fit her playstyle at all, but fit as a supp and make her better at it Also it would be a good contrast to her sister, Morgana being a support that con go mid and Kayle being a toplaner that can support
Wow I surely love more point and click cripples, what a fantastic idea! Jokes aside, I think they should just make her ranged by default, only adding more stuff such as exaltations per key level up (6-11-16) Allow her to auto during ult BUT remove the damage of the ult itself. OR make it so if Kayle casts it on herself, she heals, allowing more leeway on turning around fights, BUT only give it scaling via exaltation. Meaning it you can't just build full AP, cast ult, and then heal 900 a pop bcz u happened to have Rabaddon.
@@weebtrash1400 That's not really a contrast to be honest. Also, that's another point, why would I play Kayle if i can just play Morgana support. I mean since her conception, she'd never really been a support. There's also more contrast now than ever. Her sister synergizes with most people due to her incredible CC while Kayle's gameplay is very selfish like the video suggests which lines up with her personality.
@@zer0stars Kayle's gameplay is very selfish in the most roundabout way humanly possible - she's selfish because she's selfless in sacraficing personal ability for the ability to support her teammates; her Q shreds resistances - if it simply gave her more pen (like Darius, Morde, Pantheon etc) it could have higher values and not be an issue, but she sacrifices personal performance to help her team, her W heals 2 people (for the same price as one) meaning it can't be as effective as a single personal heal without being OP and therefore becomes poor for personal use, her ult can be cast on allies - which makes it harder to use on yourself like a free stopwatch in those clutch moments, which leads people into misusing it for damage instead. Because of all this, she can't solo-lane no matter how hard people try to force a round peg into a square hole, and so often the team suffers from all the kills her failed attemps give to the enemy. 3/5 of her kit is already designed to be a support, while her E and post-6 gameplay is more of an ADC/Marksman. Does support-marksman sound familiar (Senna)? Because it works (and would be way easier to balance without infinite scaling) but only in botlane where you can make use of both parts of the kit, the issue is she's constantly being balanced around top or midlane like a flying fish being judged on it's aerial acrobatics rather than swimming because it can fly - but *it's a fucking fish.* Problem is, her current playstyle is based around the limitations of her passive, which are limited by XP which is limited in botlane, which limits her from being played in the correct postition for her kit. Despite my friggin essay, y'all are the ones overthinking this; just make her level 1 ranged (with level 6 and level giving +25 range and level 16 +50, but tone down the damage) and make it stack off literally anything except XP.
The amount of times I’ve seen my friends die Lvl 1 against a lethal tempo kayle makes me wanna go there and see for myself how tf they managed it. I mean, is she really that good with that rune or were they just bad?
You'd be amazed how often I get tower dived early as a Kayle. I just E/Q them and let the tower finish them off. But if they're smart enough not to dive, I'm in for a bad time for most of the game.
She is, in fact, one of the strongest Champions at lvl1, thanks to her pretty good passive coupled with additional damage from E. Lethal Tempo further solidifies it. She, however, falls off as soon as lvl 2-3 when other Champions get more abilities and stats, and all she gets is her Q and W, and doesn't come back until lvl 11.
@@antongrigoryev6381 Correct. I think Sett was like one of, if not *the* only melee top laner who could beat Kayle at level 1 with that iteration of LT. And then as you said, once level 2 (or 3 in some matchups) Kayle becomes irrelevant.
Yeah level 1 kayle is really powerful, but as your opponent levels up your basically stay the same, until level six. SO at level 5 you are at your weakest, which is where most kayles get ganked and thats where people think that shes squishy enough to dive at level 1, which is false. Most likely by the time you get level 6 youre already behind and kinda have to play the safe game until level 11.
i know this is meant to be a joke, but why would you consider Kayle's split pushing "flawed" or "selfish"? When almost every top laner is exclusively split pushers and poor teamfighters. And its pretty dumb to say the team will 4v5. Like bro if it is, it will help your team in the long run, since you will be able to split push freely and take turrets
I think it's because usually Kayle top is free kills to the enemy top/Jungle/mid pre-11, and thinking you're doing well only to for the enemy to come and show you all the shiny items they bought with Kayle's charitable donations to their bank account can/does annoy a lot of people. It's kindof ironic that the hypercarry with the *least* selfish kit in the entire game (her Q strips resistances, benefiting your entire team, her w heals and speeds up an ally and her ult can super-stopwatch any of your allies) has ended up being one of the most selfish picks in the game for the simple fact that her generosity makes her too weak to fight alone pre-16. I've said it on other comments and I'll say it again, she needs to be reworked back into botlane, cos her entire kit save her passive screams duo-laner.
Best part of being a Kayle main is hearing your teammates on Discord scream "IM GONNA DIE HERE" and then just going "no" and using your ult to disable the enemy team before nuking them with a single E.
Maybe you can make a "can we talk about this" but instead of a League champion, it can be a riot designer or balance team XD Example: Can we talk about this? CertainlyT
Me: *starts playing league* "Kayle is cool I can really snowball!" Me two weeks later: *scarred from the enemy jungle setting up camp next to TOP lane*
Ah yes an ability that is a heals and gives move speed why would they ever give that to a champion that wants to survive lane until lv 6 makes no sense Also u might want to look at sonas empowered q again she has the bat already
Issue is that it's like Sona W. And similar to Lucian it's kinda like Riot saying don't solo lane her. Now if there is no ally near increase it, it make it damage enemies too or w/e. That would make sense. Nearly everything about her is contradictory and that's what makes her explode endgame because she just does everything endgame but melee minions early game
What she needs is a low ad scaling on her w or at least based on missing health like sylas. Her ulti just need a speed boost instead of slowing her down to a crawl lol.
Not gonna lie, I disagree with the ult point. Zhonyas is considered a must on many AP carries, and it disables all their damage for even longer. Kayle ult is a zhonyas on crack (since you can auto-attack for about half of it), which makes it solid, and very rewarding to use when you flash in with your 3 secs immortality + zhonyas/GA if things go wrong.
This video is exactly how I feel about these types of characters. They’re a liability and hold your team hostage unless you play their way. Same thing for butcher in HOTS and I can’t think of the equivalent in smite rn because I’m so full of rage
Kayle is literally the same problem as old Sion: two halves of two kits that don't match at all, but are both super strong as what they do. Her Q and her E are an auto-attacking, on hit champion, her W and her R are an enchanter support. The biggest problem is that because of how her kit works together and her stats and her items work, she's too strong if she has good base stats. So she has to be trash tier or else she'd be broken. They need to give her the Sion treatment: rip out either the hyper-carry and make her a healer/enchanter, or rip out the supportive abilities and make her a carry. But Riot are just ASKING for her to stay a shit design forever by trying to keep a literal invulnerability on a hyper-carry. That is just inherently stupid, and 200 years should be enough to know better.
A complete rework is too extreme. We don't need to completely strip the identity of another champion and replace it with something else, again, that is how the game loses fans and its how we got Ryze. Kayle's old kit seemed fine, a AP/AD hybrid carry with some light support skills held back by low Mana. Her main problem as skooch mentioned is that she's useless until level 6. Her kit is way too skewed towards the lategame.
Gonna be real, I missed the "Can we..." gags at the opening. It was fun seeing what Skooch could throw in the middle, be it an announcement or a joke
Fucking love it
Fancy seeing you here, Chris
you forgot trundle e
Agreed we need more
Kayle being the "chosen one" who will eventually be useful while dragging everyone else down with her neediness and Morgana being helpful and useful the whole time while being the one who has to deal with adcs and their egos fits their lore pretty well though haha
It would make more sense if morgana was more of a support she plays better in mid because of her offensive capabilities tbh and is unsatisfactory at best to an adv
@@shamrockgaming9505 Eh, depends on comp; she hard-counters so many supports and even a few ADCs and Junglers with her E (black shield) alone; got a Pyke trying to snipe your ADC and stunlock them to death with their ADC? Well, now his hook doesn't work, his E was wasted on air and suddenly he's mispositioned with half his abilities down. Blitzcrank issues? Black shield and decent reaction speed sorts em. Thresh issues? Well, Black shield doesn't stop him from leaping at the target but it does stop the hook and his entire CC combo. Leona and Naut might as well AFK while black shield's up. Evelyn visits your lane? Nice joke, shame she can't charm you so her entire combo's fucked. Etc etc.
@@Neion8 Meanwhile morgana on Mid hard counters Leblanc, she also counter lots of other mid laners that aren't that much popular anymore but sometimes happens to appear, lvl up her W first makes some mid laners farming hell because they have a really hard time farming under tower early so they either ends up wasting tons of farm or wasting lots of mana to keep up the farming race, what made her goint out of mid his both AD mid laners meta and how got of a supp she is.
@@shamrockgaming9505 I guess if you are really shit at Morgana this might be the case. Or if you play Ezreal? maybe? Like most other poke supports her job is to tell the enemy adc and support to fuck off. Just standing near the minions or in a bush is enoughto zone if you havent used your q recently. Her e allows her to just stop other sups from existing. In aggro lanes shes good cause she can set up a kill with a q. if its a passive afc she can tell the enemy to stop existing near her precious adc
@@mudawott its entirely personal experience adc main and two mos tplayed with acc are morg mains
Kayle is the definition of "be careful who you make fun of in middle school"
be careful of who you make fun of in laning phase
Because there won’t be a high school to come back to
The Bully: Tank Kassadin Top
Yeah, she'll bully you back in 50 years.
Kayle: You bullied me in lane
Enemies: It was three matches ago
Carrying a Kayle to level 16 is only possible if they don't FF as soon as that Kayle reaches the 20th death powerspike like Yasuo does.
Ah yes, the standard 'I pick late-game champ but want to win early' kindof player, gotta loathe em!
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Kayle late game is still a glass cannon that can be busted down by a zed or yone. Other late game champ like Kass or Vladimir has more potential than her, and they can actually survive laning phase. Anyway, "can we talk about Vladimir" when?
@@tranquangthienphuoc when they made her good on wild rift everyone cried "op pls nerf" and now she's in trash tier again like pc, kayle mains never catch a break.
@@tranquangthienphuoc Good Kayle main beats lategame kassadin
Skooch: “League of Legends doesn’t allow you to attack your teammates”
Anivia’s wall or Bard’s ult: “Challenge accepted.”
Kalista Ult
Trundle/Ornn pillar too
Janna says hi
HE HE HE YOU THINK MAKING YOURSELF INVULNERABLE AND HEALING IS KOOL? hOw AbOuT MaKiNg tHe eNeMy tEAm INVINCIBLE *AND* HEALING THEM?! BWAHAHAHHAHA
*See Kindred*
@@mathisblair2798 tbh I was gonna include this but my most recent interactions with kindred ult have been surprisingly good! Although I know we’ve ALL had that ult that resulted in 14 million “kindred r 110 s” pings and question marks hahahahah
Skooch: “League doesn’t allow you to attack your teammates”
Renata: “allow me to introduce myself”
Now you can literally go 1v9.
I killed 7 people in a fight as kayle due to this
That Mylo joke was uncalled for, but it killed me
Just like Powder killed Mylo.
We call that a two for one
@@AxolotlDreams-u- if you count Vander in, that's three
@@piotrkubik2307 In fairness, he's only MOSTLY dead.
@@Ellebeeby well, fair enough
Kayle balances out her sister's incredibly coherent kit by having just some random shit
True lol
She got the left overs from her sister.
i miss the old kayle
@@skyco5395 Ah old Kayle. Her tales are legendary
it's ironic that her kit is so flawed, yet perfection is her entire personality
Its not that flawed. Her Q and W work so well together and are the things that make most juggernaut matchup a breeze
@@daanobbes2235 But juggernaut aren't her enemies as a hypercarry. It's assassins and skirmishers.
@@Monar88 They arent her enemies because of her ability to kite them with Q and W
@@Monar88 Her ult literally counters assasins, they ain't really a problem for her
@@detoxi2k12 go look up her ult cd vs any assassin cd that build haste
Garens ult is literally one of the swords in Kayle's ult and it does more damage than all of the swords in the ult
Funny enough , garen is one of the low amount of champions who will actually loose to kayle in lane
If you think about it with the whole missing hp dmg, it's actually her E if it did true damage instead.
@@joaopena9405 yep, Garen is one of those champs I see that I just constantly kite after lvl 6 to get that free lethal tempo to farm even faster and maybe kill him if he gets cocky
@@dvf1736 he just can't get close . If he Qs kayle Q's or Es if he ults kayle ults . To loose that lane u have to fuck up extra hard as kayle
@@joaopena9405 And for that, as a Garen main, I use Ghost against Kayle so she autowins less automatically... (Yeah against very good Kayle's I'll always be screwed but banning her isn't worth it since she isn't oftenly played.)
Played a silly game where the whole team was bruiser or tank. We stopped everyone except kayle who played smart. Then at level 16 she shredded all of us without any threat while everyone else on her team struggled to register on the damage charts
Ahaha the Ultimate counterpick!
Yep that's Kayle in a nutshell
Skooch: "I think my sneezes do more damage than that."
Coronavirus: "Bet."
I played a lot a kayle, I played her since she looked like a potato and I must saw that her ultimate serves one purpose only. Is to counter burst, to visualise it better imagine that her ult is like fiora w with a longer duration.
I miss potato Kayle... Actually... I miss season 2,it was so stupid and fun... Full ap gragas/poppy/Sion/Kayle + dfg lol
Fuckin kassawin e lb with silence lol
Except Fiora can actually live if hers is timed correctly
@@Aspect_of_the_idiot Freaking Fiora, dood.
Let me put it like this: you painstakingly reach level 11, and your E is more of an ult than your ult
Another Kayle Fiora enjoyer, nice
The fact that old kayle “Can we talk about this” was released in 24 oct and this is released in 24 January makes it much better.
Ok, Skooch's cute little grin after making the joke about Sona being mute was just adorable.
As someone who's been maining Kayle ever since I started playing about 3 years ago it's really great to see content creators I look up to and enjoy watching givin her some recognition. Definitely my Favorite champion both Theme and Gameplay wise.
Thanks for giving her the love she deserves skooch
Love? Where is the love in this video :O
I'm not a Kayle main, but I disagree with a lot of his points. I love Kayles on my team (if they know how to play her).
A big problem with Kayle is that the whole "fighter support" thing was actually pre rework, and the devs obviously got scared of changing kayle too much, so they left her with her Ult and W even though while they fit her ideas as an angel, they do not fit kayle's playstyle or her lore really
Actually the Q W synergy that lets you kite out/ run people down is still in effect you just have to land Q
Idk why skooch skimmed over this since these are holdovers from her previous design which he covered on this channel awhile back
@@Keurgui1 if you use that combo you lose half your mana
Nah, the real big problem with Kayle is the 'fighter' part of 'fighter support' should be ADC/Marksman since 'Marksman support' (like Senna) fits her kit perfectly after level 6 - the main issue being that she's unplayable bot lane until level 6 and she's too reliant on levels to afford sharing XP, while she's too dependant on other people to be a solo laner since she sacrifices much of her potency for the ability to share - e.g. her Q is a shred rather than a personal penetration ability like Darius, Morde and Pantheon have, her W heals two people and her ult can be used on others as well; which means across the board she gets hit with having lesser potency for the benefit of sharing - which she can't do atm since she's only ever played as a solo laner and so she gets railed by everyone with more selfish abilities.
If she started off with the 525 range (like her standard level 6) and got an additional 25 range at level 6 and level 11 with an additional 50 at level 16 (so it still feels like a big upgrade) and if they slightly tone down the impact of xp sharing (which is fucking up botlane alltogether atm regardless of comp) and/or increased the base value of her heal then she could become viable again as something other than a troll-pick forced into top/midlane by people who want to play Kayle but can't since she doesn't work. Either way, balance her for botlane and she'd work.
@@Neion8 If Kayle could be played support that would be toxic for everyone lmao
Binding her to solo lanes is honestly perfect for her
@@Keurgui1 Kayle is already toxic for everyone (on both teams) lmao. Tbh I could see her coming at the support-marksman from the opposite direction as Senna; Senna is a support who happens to scale infinitely into massive damage if you let her, Kayle is an ADC who happens to have some abilities that can help her support in lane (like healing her Leona/Naut from small amounts of poke damage) rather than it all being a 1-way transaction of aid.
It would actually give her some kindof role definition whereas right now she's not really anything except broken.
Can we talk about how f***** good it feels to have this series back
Kayle Lv.1 : Am smol
Kayle Lv16: *Agressive Paper Shredder Noises*
As a kayle otp, i can safely say i pick her cause i dont trust any of my teammates, and i want a champ that can kite and 1v9 while using my teammates as barricade
Also fun fact : dont know if its a bug or propositely designed, but no matter kayle's level, she is always considered a melee champion, which means she can dish full damage from divine sunderer and botrk
Wait really???? I main kayle too but when I played here with conqueror it was considered range????
@@Significantharrassment thats why i said it may be a bug, but rune-wise i think conq can follow kayle's evolution, items on the other cant tell shes different from when the game started
@@sxssyjxck1638 i can confirm. The items still see Kayle as a melee.
@@MioMillefeuille good to know, now I can build divine sunder in kayle and get full health back
@@Significantharrassment It's actually pretty ok to build Divine Sunderer if there are tanks or champs with high hp because the spellblade synergizes well with her E's spellblade. And the mythic passive gives her 5% bonus armor and magic penetration. So I think you could just go ahead and go full AP afterwards.
Then again, Divine Sunderer on Kayle is pretty situational.. But Kayle is a hybrid champion that can benefit from literally almost any item..
My biggest issue with Kayle is justification. Riot literally said she was in a bad spot because she was near worthless in the early game and op endgame. Then they rework her to forcefully be even more of that. You literally can just itemize old Kayle to lvl 1 hyper carry, in theory. It is impossible to be anything more than a adc pre 11, and adcs are in a terrible spot. Her ult has got to be one of the worst reworks. She is 100% auto base regardless of what you build and her ult not only stops her autos but doesn't scale off them. If you stop autoing for 2s at a 2.0 auto does the ult make up the difference in lost damage? No! Why? Because it's easy to avoid the damage even if they increased the damage to scale with attack speed and it doesn't apply on hits.
Her kit is great she is just hard. Very hard. But she is a fantastically designed champion with clear strengths and weaknesses. And she can be VERY strong in any scaling comp
when u pick top u need to add at least some survaveability to the comp
@@mr.joesterr5359 Again I think your forgetting 2 things: 1) Never talked about difficulty. Talked about identity. Riot hated her original identity, hence the rework...then they go ham with the original identity and make it worse. Because remember her issue was never the endgame, it was the early game. And they literally made it impossible to be anything more than a melee minion. Your base stats and literally being gated from doing your skills (such as the AOE from her E, or being ranged at all, or the AOE from max stacks). Even if you are god tier skilled with her, it's impossible to unlock her potential due to how EXP is handled in game.
2) Remember her original kit. Her passive just worked, didn't need to land the short range, slow moving, Q. Her old Q was a point and click, you couldn't possibly miss. This makes it less of the skill issue you are talking about. He W is unchanged, and her E is still a empowered auto. The difference is: she only needed about 25% cdr to have perm uptime and you are ranged AND AOE (100% spread) at lvl 1. Lastly her ult never took her out of the fight. I've beaten what's considered OP now, Tryn with her old ult. Why? Cuz even if tryn is immortal he still get's shredded w/ her passive AND her ult I used at max hp so tryn did no dmg when both our ults were on. So tryn was at 1 hp and I was full hp when both timed out, and he had no way to heal because my passive shredded him to one shot range. Outside of visuals what does this new Kayle do better? She no longer gets true dmg. Her only benefit is just raw scaling, just number tweeks. But technical skill is much higher and her overall kit is nerfed with her ult and Q relying on more skill.
@@mr.joesterr5359 except half her abilities feel taken out of a slightly less powerful taric
@@peternash7104 Maybe she has problems now, but I personally find a better champ identity in the current Kayle than I did pre-rework, even though she has some pretty big flaws; I still find that scaling identity sits forward regardless, I feel like power is being spoonfed for me making good plays and surviving.
In my opinion Kayle’s best role is mid. It’s much easier to get CS as you aren’t punished as hard by freezes and wave management, you have good kill pressure at level 6 against most midlanders, and post six Kayle is actually really good at rotating to help junglers because of her supporting abilities. Also you will tend to have a better team comp as Kayle fits more into a mage carry archetype than any of the bruiser or tank archetypes that toplaners are expected to play
"Can we talk about this?"
Of course we can, Skooch. Of course we can.
Playing Kayle is rage inducing especially when you get a good early game with her and the enemy team surrenders.
I had a friend that was increadible at support, and he decide kayle support would be the best place for her
And it was AMAZING we duoed samira kayle, when both of them were at thier worst abd had a 90ish% winrate
The way the kit was laid out in this video honestly gave me a supportish vibe tbh. She has a heal and her ult grants invulnerability for her our a teammate. I feel like when the champion was made, riot was arguing whether she should be top or a support
I played a game with kayle top and me as nami top support, i allowed kayle to farm and we won
Back in S2 she was a support. Protect the hypercarry comps were meta. Nothing more satisfying than popping R on a kogmaw that planted and just aced a team with AA's while taking 0 dmg. Same for vayne, or yi, or any other AS based champion. She was never intended to be a carry im not sure why they reworked her like this. Problably because they would have to make her #'s so rediculous to work vs the amount of harass available in the current meta that her solo laning would be too much. Even if her power budget was ballanced better between her E and W.
@@strilteras2321 she was played as burst mage in s4
@@strilteras2321 In S2 Kayle would 2hit you with QE going full AP lol
Like most mages.
Sure she was also good for ad hyper carries with her ult, but was also a good solo later, that could ult adc in fights.
This was really good. The “Support Fighter” joke took me a minute lol
im so happy to see you back on this series skootch im so happy you found a way to make videos and be happy (as a guy who had insomnia i know how hard it can be) and i love watching your vids especially the can we talk about this series keep doing whatever makes you happy skootch
love this champ, kayle basically taught me how to play league when I first started playing. And as a new player it felt good that I would be usefull eventually even if I did not win lane. Also love her mix of support and fighter and all the utility in her kit. I always viewed it as kayle basically being her own support that peels for herself.
I agree!
I will always love this series great video skooch!
Man this vid is 10/10 ...I've been watching it for like two straight weeks
It is so good to see Can We Talk About This make its grand return, I am so excited to see it back
Skooch would be proud, riot watched this video and now you can aa during kayle R
welp, is time for kayle jg
I'll just limit myself to making sure that we have enough hot ladies in our team. I'll just pick Bard.
Also, 2:47 OUCH
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Ngl I've always loved this format. I do love the skooch personality drawing
The problem with kayle is that pre rework, she was designed as a mage who happened to be able to hype carry. And then when she was reworked Riot latched on to the hyper carry aspect and based her whole value on her ability to hyper carry but had to keep her old "mage focused" skills somehow. I genuinely think she'd be a lot better if they had just changed her q from being point and click (which was bullshit, don't get me wrong) to what it is now with similar numbers and still force her to derive a lot of her hyper carry value from items instead of giving her a voucher saying "it's okay to build whatever you want, it won't matter before level 16"
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12:41 ain’t this just Shonen protagonists
"this is as close to friendly fire as it gets" .... ha ha ha. Good one.
I respect that Hworang Tekken 3 theme 3:16
this had to be the best edited can we talk abt this i ve seen yet, its so good
I cant belive how much I am addicted to these "can we talk about this".
the problem, is that Kayle isnt just a Hypercarry. While its been too weak to be worth doing for a long time now, Kayle is also a SUPPORT. thats why her Q damage is low but SHREDS, why she has a HEAL, and why her Ult is best used on someone else who CAN attack during its duration (like another hypercarry marksman)
In my experience in SoloQ most of the time it´s a waste to use Ult on someone else unless it´s premade/Duo, because most of the time they will int it down regardless.
I really think that Riot represents her “Justice” really wrong.
I get that she is a supposed counter-character to Morgana, but for Kayle being “Justice” itself is truly the equivalent of ending bullies, after being bullied. Justice is when you see somebody being attacked and you’d be getting yourself in a nice fight to save a life, go with the victim to the police, describe the attacker and after being judged by the court, send him to prison. But Kayle looks like a cover up for Ghost Rider’s spirit of Vengeance, rather than the Divine Justice. I’m not saying she is useless, but what i am trying to say is that she needs a big change in her abilities so you can feel yourself as the embodiment of “Divine Justice”. Like a second passive that allows you to hit like a hot pan in the face when an ally dies, stacking up to 4 times, each time getting more and more powerful based on your Auto’s damage; A skill shot that is like Kalista’s E, but causes you to BLEED; An AoE zone that boosts ally’s AS by a certain %; And a ult that combines the E, with Ziggs’s bombs…Meaning doing this sword rain and if they hit an enemy champ you can recast it and do bonus True Damage based on targets’s missing health. If she was supposed to be a Hyper-carry, then i cannot think of a better total ability rework on this gorgeous angel. I’m not a Kayle main (obviously) but if every champ had to be broken, i could be the man to give such ideas
Actually, her getting justice wrong was intended. Morgana and Kayle are both the aspect of Justice, but split in half. Kayle is punishment and judgement, while Morgana is Mercy and Understanding. Morgana will forgive murderers and then let them murder again and Kayle will execute j-walkers.
I don't like it either, especially as an old kayle main, but it makes sense at least.
Kayle is a villain. She doesn't care about saving lives or anything. She quite literally says "No human is perfect, but I am not human" and "There is only right and wrong. All else is rationalization." She doesn't give a fuck about people, all she wants is to remain on her high horse and punish anyone she deems as doing wrong, not because it is right, but because it makes her feel powerful
@@Sina-dv1eg Sounds like Kayle has a severe case of being based.
@@oh7mak Except Kayle and Morgana aren't aspects. It's been confirmed. They didn't climb Mt. Targon hence they aren't considered aspects. What power they have came from their mother, who was the Aspect of Justice.
@@Geheimnis-c2e it's been confirmed? Source please
Banger, Skooch is an inspiration
They really just needs to make Kayle start as a ranged champ and make her autos tickle. At least this way she can farm early and provide some damage pre 6. As for the ult she should just be able to ult another teammate without the penalty. She should only be stuck in the animation if she ults herself. As of right now in the late game you want to ult yourself 99% of the time but with this you’d have the option to ult someone else without making yourself useless. They could even add a delay when you ult someone else that way everyone has time to react kind of like Tariq ult but with a much smaller delay. There’s nothing worse than when you ult your adc that got caught who then flashes backwards because they didn’t realize you ulted and then to compensate for the early mistake of flashing back they gale force forward only to die immediately because the ult wears off
Why are you ulting others noob
I love this series, and I enjoy seeing how far it's come. This is probably my favorite video in the series so far!!! Good stuff skooch! This was almost good enough for me to subscribe!!!
Hey Skooch,can you re-do a "Can we talk about this?" about Pantheon? The last one you did was before his rework(And nerfs).I would like to hear your opinion on the character.
Also,I am still sad they killed Pantheon Top and Pantheon Jungle just like how they killed him in lore.Oh and also Pantheon Support but that was deserved.
Just got done binging a bunch of your uploads while working/solo qing ranked and then you upload this, bless!
As a (former) Kayle main goddamn that ending hurt lmao.
I really think Kayle's passive should work like Viktor where it scales off the number of minions she killed instead of total levels. It would make her actually playable in bot lane where (ima be real with you chief) she _clearly_ wants to be. Maybe instead of 100 minions per ascension it goes 50/100/150/200? IDK 500 CS is a lot when Viktor only needs 300 but I think Kayle shouldn't be a melee minion for the first 7 minutes of the game.
Tbh just make her ranged at level 1 and she'd probably at least be tolerable.
Vik doesn't do stuff like aa everyone to death. As annoying as his shit is, he has to hit those shit.
You can't dodge an aa.
@@Geheimnis-c2e you can't dodge a point and click shield move speed buff that deals 900 damage either
No i dont want to go top and get harassed by a ranged kayle at level 1
@@shamrockgaming9505 The whole point is to move Kayle away from going top - right now, she's played there by people who want to play Kayle but can't play her bot because she gets spanked by almost every marksman in existence from the moment she reaches lane, so much like Lucian, Akshan and (to an extent) Vayne, she got exiled to top/midlane since at least there, the small amount of range she has can be an advantage. Caitlyn top can also be a (very powerful/annoying) thing, but because it's an idea that shits on team comp people usually play her bot. Give Kayle mains the same option and they'll make the same choice. Especially since unlike Lucian, Akshan and Vayne, she doesn't even have the mobility to really make solo-laning as a squishy work.
@@Neion8 she has an ult says “no” to burst though
Dude, the quality of this video is so fucking amazing, great work skooch!
That feel when you're playing Kayle and you're fighting Irelia and she's tearing your asshole apart and her jungle ganks twice and releases the Rift Herald on your turret.
I've never been so close to rage quitting a game in many months.
We won it tho.
Every Irelia encounter as a Kayle I had this crap happen, which is why I ban Irelia every game lmao.
As a kayle one trick I want to rage quit every game every day
Irelia is my easiest matchup as kayle tho, lvl 1 fight and win, dont let her stack when you fight, and have her push. Also anti heal/ignite
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You are bad at the game please don't comment
Every time Skooch hits me with the "people who aren't subscribed" I just gotta leave a like, cracks me up every time
14:41 well well well didn't this age well. Renata sends her regards 👀
"Make like Mylo and pipe down." holy shit that's savage
Ah yes, Jhin and Xin Zhao, the prettiest ladies of all truly, finally their beauty is being recognized! Queens!
I swear I watched the baseball-bat Sona joke around ten times because Skooch's smile after he said that corny joke is just that precious !
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i am so dissapointed you didnt say "giving sona a microphone"
Her r is mainly for allowing her jungler to actually gank her. (She can tank and then r herself so that she doesn’t die and her jungler can kill the enemy)
How to fix Kayle:
-Make her Q stun on hit, swap the damage vulnerabilities to her W
-Remove the healing and speed bonus on her W, which can now be casted on herself, allies, or enemies, when cast on herself/allies, they gain damage resistances, when cast on enemies, they gain vulnerabilites
-Give her R the speed bonus that her W had, making it a more viable escape or engage option
This kind of just makes her more of a support rather than a hypercarry.
I suggest that they buff early numbers but keep the same late game and either give movement speed on ult or perhaps if you cast it on someone else, you can still auto attack.
Also, perhaps give her range immediately and instead of range at level 6, give her the attack speed stacks.
@@zer0stars Honestly i think making Kayle a support would benefit her, she is already viable as one since she has 2 skills that don't fit her playstyle at all, but fit as a supp and make her better at it
Also it would be a good contrast to her sister, Morgana being a support that con go mid and Kayle being a toplaner that can support
Wow I surely love more point and click cripples, what a fantastic idea!
Jokes aside, I think they should just make her ranged by default, only adding more stuff such as exaltations per key level up (6-11-16)
Allow her to auto during ult BUT remove the damage of the ult itself. OR make it so if Kayle casts it on herself, she heals, allowing more leeway on turning around fights, BUT only give it scaling via exaltation. Meaning it you can't just build full AP, cast ult, and then heal 900 a pop bcz u happened to have Rabaddon.
@@weebtrash1400 That's not really a contrast to be honest. Also, that's another point, why would I play Kayle if i can just play Morgana support. I mean since her conception, she'd never really been a support. There's also more contrast now than ever.
Her sister synergizes with most people due to her incredible CC while Kayle's gameplay is very selfish like the video suggests which lines up with her personality.
@@zer0stars Kayle's gameplay is very selfish in the most roundabout way humanly possible - she's selfish because she's selfless in sacraficing personal ability for the ability to support her teammates; her Q shreds resistances - if it simply gave her more pen (like Darius, Morde, Pantheon etc) it could have higher values and not be an issue, but she sacrifices personal performance to help her team, her W heals 2 people (for the same price as one) meaning it can't be as effective as a single personal heal without being OP and therefore becomes poor for personal use, her ult can be cast on allies - which makes it harder to use on yourself like a free stopwatch in those clutch moments, which leads people into misusing it for damage instead. Because of all this, she can't solo-lane no matter how hard people try to force a round peg into a square hole, and so often the team suffers from all the kills her failed attemps give to the enemy.
3/5 of her kit is already designed to be a support, while her E and post-6 gameplay is more of an ADC/Marksman. Does support-marksman sound familiar (Senna)? Because it works (and would be way easier to balance without infinite scaling) but only in botlane where you can make use of both parts of the kit, the issue is she's constantly being balanced around top or midlane like a flying fish being judged on it's aerial acrobatics rather than swimming because it can fly - but *it's a fucking fish.* Problem is, her current playstyle is based around the limitations of her passive, which are limited by XP which is limited in botlane, which limits her from being played in the correct postition for her kit. Despite my friggin essay, y'all are the ones overthinking this; just make her level 1 ranged (with level 6 and level giving +25 range and level 16 +50, but tone down the damage) and make it stack off literally anything except XP.
i really appreciate you skooch
The amount of times I’ve seen my friends die Lvl 1 against a lethal tempo kayle makes me wanna go there and see for myself how tf they managed it. I mean, is she really that good with that rune or were they just bad?
You'd be amazed how often I get tower dived early as a Kayle. I just E/Q them and let the tower finish them off.
But if they're smart enough not to dive, I'm in for a bad time for most of the game.
She is, in fact, one of the strongest Champions at lvl1, thanks to her pretty good passive coupled with additional damage from E. Lethal Tempo further solidifies it. She, however, falls off as soon as lvl 2-3 when other Champions get more abilities and stats, and all she gets is her Q and W, and doesn't come back until lvl 11.
@@antongrigoryev6381 Correct. I think Sett was like one of, if not *the* only melee top laner who could beat Kayle at level 1 with that iteration of LT.
And then as you said, once level 2 (or 3 in some matchups) Kayle becomes irrelevant.
She has literally the 2nd strongest lvl 1 in Top Lane, losing to Sett only.
Yeah level 1 kayle is really powerful, but as your opponent levels up your basically stay the same, until level six. SO at level 5 you are at your weakest, which is where most kayles get ganked and thats where people think that shes squishy enough to dive at level 1, which is false. Most likely by the time you get level 6 youre already behind and kinda have to play the safe game until level 11.
Yo anyone else notice the lighting mixed with his shirt and chair color makes him pop out so much more than I remember? Clean af
i know this is meant to be a joke, but why would you consider Kayle's split pushing "flawed" or "selfish"? When almost every top laner is exclusively split pushers and poor teamfighters.
And its pretty dumb to say the team will 4v5. Like bro if it is, it will help your team in the long run, since you will be able to split push freely and take turrets
I think it's because usually Kayle top is free kills to the enemy top/Jungle/mid pre-11, and thinking you're doing well only to for the enemy to come and show you all the shiny items they bought with Kayle's charitable donations to their bank account can/does annoy a lot of people. It's kindof ironic that the hypercarry with the *least* selfish kit in the entire game (her Q strips resistances, benefiting your entire team, her w heals and speeds up an ally and her ult can super-stopwatch any of your allies) has ended up being one of the most selfish picks in the game for the simple fact that her generosity makes her too weak to fight alone pre-16. I've said it on other comments and I'll say it again, she needs to be reworked back into botlane, cos her entire kit save her passive screams duo-laner.
Best part of being a Kayle main is hearing your teammates on Discord scream "IM GONNA DIE HERE" and then just going "no" and using your ult to disable the enemy team before nuking them with a single E.
Maybe you can make a "can we talk about this" but instead of a League champion, it can be a riot designer or balance team XD
Example: Can we talk about this? CertainlyT
"Glad to be back, can't wait for more" and we've never saw this series again :)))))
Me: Sees kayle being locked in
Me who mains mathematically correct pantheon support
Me: 'Guess I know which lane I'm camping for the easy win'
Skooch. Kayle's W is a summoner spell heal; it was designed like this to cement her role as an ADC in the top lane.
I’m mad at how good that Milo joke was 😂
"Fighter and Support doesnt mesh together"
Crazy Diamond : Hold my Josuke
Me: *starts playing league* "Kayle is cool I can really snowball!"
Me two weeks later: *scarred from the enemy jungle setting up camp next to TOP lane*
0:31 this feels like a personal attack
*They ruined her. I miss the old Kayle.* 😔
Which was her last good season?
Old kayle also suck imo
@@bismarkvieira3067 before her rework 3 years ago
Fucking love this lol I immediately judge people who lock in Nasus, Kayle, and Kassadin
Ah yes an ability that is a heals and gives move speed why would they ever give that to a champion that wants to survive lane until lv 6 makes no sense
Also u might want to look at sonas empowered q again she has the bat already
Issue is that it's like Sona W. And similar to Lucian it's kinda like Riot saying don't solo lane her. Now if there is no ally near increase it, it make it damage enemies too or w/e. That would make sense. Nearly everything about her is contradictory and that's what makes her explode endgame because she just does everything endgame but melee minions early game
skooch's hair and earrings always drippy I can only strive to achieve skooch levels of drip
What she needs is a low ad scaling on her w or at least based on missing health like sylas.
Her ulti just need a speed boost instead of slowing her down to a crawl lol.
no kayle is broken and yes i main her
She doesn't need buffs
YEAHHH BABAY THIS JS WHAT I HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR , THIS IS WHAT IS EVERYTHING ABOUT .
Not gonna lie, I disagree with the ult point. Zhonyas is considered a must on many AP carries, and it disables all their damage for even longer. Kayle ult is a zhonyas on crack (since you can auto-attack for about half of it), which makes it solid, and very rewarding to use when you flash in with your 3 secs immortality + zhonyas/GA if things go wrong.
14:40 renata glasc: allow me to introduce myself
This video is exactly how I feel about these types of characters. They’re a liability and hold your team hostage unless you play their way. Same thing for butcher in HOTS and I can’t think of the equivalent in smite rn because I’m so full of rage
oh my god i miss this so much 😭😭😭
Thabks skooch!!!!!
Kayle is literally the same problem as old Sion: two halves of two kits that don't match at all, but are both super strong as what they do.
Her Q and her E are an auto-attacking, on hit champion, her W and her R are an enchanter support. The biggest problem is that because of how her kit works together and her stats and her items work, she's too strong if she has good base stats. So she has to be trash tier or else she'd be broken.
They need to give her the Sion treatment: rip out either the hyper-carry and make her a healer/enchanter, or rip out the supportive abilities and make her a carry. But Riot are just ASKING for her to stay a shit design forever by trying to keep a literal invulnerability on a hyper-carry. That is just inherently stupid, and 200 years should be enough to know better.
A complete rework is too extreme. We don't need to completely strip the identity of another champion and replace it with something else, again, that is how the game loses fans and its how we got Ryze. Kayle's old kit seemed fine, a AP/AD hybrid carry with some light support skills held back by low Mana. Her main problem as skooch mentioned is that she's useless until level 6. Her kit is way too skewed towards the lategame.
That milo “pipe down” line made me stop washing dishes just to say, “TOO SOON!!”
Ayo Andrew, editor, don't think I didn't hear that chroma squad OST and instantly give you all my respect.
As a Kayle main, this vid hits different
In the words of the great Captain Flowers, "Jinx is no stranger to triple kills."
He looked so pleased at himself when he made the deaf joke for sona
Dem the "Can we talk about this" just got better and better. Noice~
My favorite type of Skooch videos!! So glad to hear this iconic intro again!!
the editing and video quality are amazing here and a great compliment to your fast-paced style of humor. Love your work
Skooch: "League of Legends doesnt allow you to attack your teammates"
Renata: "Are you sure about that?"
“Exp. The one resource you can’t expedite…”
That did not age well with Nilah coming out
I could've gone my whole life without seeing Tom Segura snap his arm in half again, thanks Skooch.
Keep it high and tight!
The can we talk about this jokes are back, for one night only, and boy did I miss them
That Milo joke was uncalled for 🤣🤣🤣
Ah, but has skooch seen the update where she now gets to attack while invincible?
"These 2 classes don't go hand in hand"
Paladin: Deus Vult, heretic.
the intro gave me flashbacks to watching my first skooch videos ty papa
"Haul ass outta there more Fast than Ramadan" SKOOCH I FUCKING LOVE YOU