Just wanted to apologize for the rendering mistakes in this episode. If you remember, I had a similar situation with What if Damon was in Dragon Ball Part 11. Luckily this one wasn’t as bad, but the moment the video was processed I found that there were white backgrounds behind some renders. It was too late to change them, so unfortunately they’ve saved into this video. I hope it doesn’t distract everybody too much!! Sorry again! 😅
I think Gokus training would've seen diminishing returns after a certain point. Cause if you think about it other saiyans spent their entire lives on vegeta (the planet lol) likely sparring regularly. Those saiyans topped out at like 20k power
I thought the boost would have been a 38.4 times boost rather than a 19.2 times boost on another 19.2 times boost. Though, I guess they chose to mention the Kaio Ken and weight training with gravity training to go with things there.
King Cold and Vegeta are still out there, and the Android Saga coming up with no SSJ. It's going to be rough for everybody even for Goku. Unless a Future Warrior (Future Gohan) shows up to show off the SSJ Form to Goku and Gohan. Anyways a good new series, and looking forward to the next part soon.
So wait, Zarbon and Dadoria were just knocked out right? PLZ have them come to and out of fear of Goku swear allegiance to him XD I'm sure Chichi would appreciate having the two to boss around too lol
in Canon Goku had a power level between 19 and 20 times his power level when he got to King Kai the two increases should have been added together not times but besides that it's a pretty good story so far and Vegeta actually would have fought Goku immediately if he saw his power level being sixteen thousand and higher having Nappa take on the weaklings
I know it’s been awhile but I’ve been seeing comments about how the power jump may be illogical, what you guys need to remember is that King Kai isn’t an idiot and goku isn’t going to hold back on training. Goku would most likely ask King Kai to ramp up the training. Seeing as the training is becoming too easy and that he’s getting minimal gains and with Goku informing King Kai, he could create weights that were 10x Goku’s weight (actually even heavier but this is a lowball), of course it’s not the same as the 10x gravity but it’s still gonna be more effective than the regular training. The 153k power level is a possibility, even if it wasn’t a possibility he would be in the 30K - 50K range in power level that not unimaginable in the full 1 year training period.
I don't think he will grow exponentially to 153.5k. Large part of that 19.2x growth at beginning was his body getting used to 10x gravity. At some point 10x gravity will have diminishing return and his growth would slow
this is a good what if but his power should have only increased by 40 times being a power level of 16,640 and able to use the Kaio-ken times 8 and put it to 12
While I agree goku would be significantly stronger than in canon, I doubt goku would reach above 150,000. It took goku 100x gravity training with sensu beans and kaioken (though at a low level) to reach 180,000 against ginyu in the canon, so even with being dead, this doesn't seem like a correct estimate
yes, but goku trained for 6 days alone at 100x, so 60 days at 10x should prove the same increase, and thats 2 months, so 3x that and only reaching 150k is actually a small increase
I also think that Vegeta might tell Goku that he will go to Planet Namek to get his wish instead and when he does he would come back to Earth and make him pay
and let's not forget that Kami knew he was either going to die of old age or if Piccolo was going to be killed in the battle with the Saiyans so it would have been better if Piccolo died in the Battle making them need to go to Namek anyway
The math in this is so off, you wouldn’t amp his 6 month power by 19.2 again that stacks it too high Also remember Goku could barely move when he first got to king Kais planet the gravity was so intense, by the time he left he could jump around freely no sweat, so a further 6 months would only be a slight increase. He could definitely improve his Kaioken tho
I think it would tho! 😄 Mainly since like I said in the vid, King Kai could give Goku those weights to make his body heavier, that way he can get training similar to how he did on Namek. That’s why he got so powerful.
@@DamonWhatif hmm you make a good point with the weighted training! I still don’t think he’d get to 100K power level in this period tho that’s too high a jump, but defs in the tens of thousands for sure! I do agree with the amping of Kaioken tho! Also, maybe he learned Kai Kai here too since King Kai told Goku in the cell arc he could have taught him that but he never asked...wonder how much that would have changed the saiyan/namek/Frieza arc 👀
that new power level of 153k is wrong. what i think you did was 416x19.2x19.2 instead of 416x38.4 which would be a more accurate and reasonable power level.
I did 8000 divided by 416 to see how much stronger he got which was 19.2x. I then decided to multiply that to 8000 so he could get 19.2x stronger, which was 153,600
I think you made a mistake multiplying Goku's power by 19.2, and then doing it again because he had twice the amount of time to train. What you should have done was double it to get roughly 40×, and multiplied that by his base power to get roughly 18,000. In other words, you squared his training multiplier when you should have merely doubled it...
let's see.... Future Goten instead of future Trunks? Vegeta goes to Namek, gets beaten, comes back to earth to recruit them against king Cold since they defeated Freeza before .... Goku and Vegeta train, the rest join them but don't gain much power, they learn king Cold is going to Namek and they actually beat him to the planet. Guru refuses to Unlock Vegeta's power, and Goku refuses that power since it's a cheat power, the rest of the fighters do get it tho, and I mean, even Chiautzu, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan get it. power levels:- Piccolo: 500,000 Gohan: 90,000 Gihan (Rage): 1,500,000 Tenshinhan: 105,000 Krilin: 85,000 Yamcha: 70,000 Chiautsu: 35,000 Vegeta: 3,000,000 Goku: 5,000,000 Goku Kaiokin x20: 100,000,000 king Cold 2nd form (his usual form): 110,000,000 king Cold 3rd form: 190,000,000 king Cold final form: 240,000,000 (he loses stamina fast) Goku Super Saiyan: 250,000,000 -------------------------- the Android saga is a walk in the park, there is no need for Trunks to come back in time, we could just pretend that Guru still found the heart Virus in Goku and gave him an early warning, Bulma created the medicine in the neck of time, and that whole issue is now avoided.
This is a great what if but the only think that I will change was that goku spare vegeta in z gpku spare him because he want him to defeat him alone but this time he accomplished it. He would maybe spate him just to let him get stronger
The only part of this that doesn't make sense, is that goku doesn't just make nappa and vegeta immediately explode with one punch like gohan did to frieza in fusion reborn.
Unless Vegeta comes back to Earth (Which he could.) Future Trunks wouldn't come like normal. I'm thinking if it's anybody from the Future Timeline showing up it's Future Gohan.
Goku went from a 334 power level to over 9000 which could be 9500 or even 10,000. I’ll be going with 10,000 to make it an even number that means Goku became at least 30x stronger in 6 months. That means Goku could become 60x stronger in a year which would give him a 20,000 power level in base and with Kaioken x20 he would be 400,000. Which is a bit below Frieza first form. Yeah, Vegeta and Nappa are dead meat
The z fighters would have been slaughtered by frieza while he charged his spirit bomb.. which would lead in someone dying and gohan unlocking super sayian
I think you got lost in thought with the power multipliers How would double the time with King Kia end with Goku going from 8,000+ in canon to over 150,000 in this what if? I first thought that you accidentally multiplied the 19.2X by another 19.2X, but that would put Goku at nearly 3M from 8,000. Then I thought that you might have doubled the multiplier. 38.4X. This would put Goku slightly over 300k from 8,000. I cannot figure out where 153,600 came from.
@@zipnorth5398 8,000 X 19.2 X 19.2= 2,949,120... which makes my first comment wrong as I didn't count the amount of numbers correctly in google calculator, which doesn't include commas in numbers. but still, there's no way he did that in this video.
because you would have had Goku become 368.64 time stronger Goku power level 153,354.24 or 153,354 and the rest of the Z Fighters only became 8.5 to 8.6 in the same year and that seems kind of off even for Goku in the Z series this is how strong Piccolo should have gotten with your calculations 73.589484812 time stronger this is how strong Piccolo should have gotten with your calculations Piccolo power level 30,024.509803582 or 30,024
If you ever did make a part two to this then vegeta would die in namek since mail is stronger then him. King cold comes to earth since he’ll know about where frieza is
for right now, Goku and the others are very much weaker than they were in canon, hope Future Trunks makes it in but since Vegeta is out in space, I don't have much faith in that thought.
wouldnt u just multipy the power increase x2 so 19.2 x2 so 34.4 now that times his base of 416 to now be roughly 16k not including zenkai of his revival so more so 20k and just double his previous max multiplier of kaioken to now be 8 with nearly any strain And 10 with strain giving him an overall max power lvl of 200k
Hey Damon this is a great what if which I'm listening to for the second time now I feel like Goku has been overpowered in this scenario look into the law of diminishing returns and see if that can be applied somehow
Oh shit, this means Vegeta gets to go to Namek completely uno- oh wait that's right, Nail's on Namek so Vegeta can't do much. The universe is screwed. No matter how much Goku trains at this point, the Z-Fighters stand no chance of ever defeating the Androids, especially since noone left for Namek so Gero recorded the fight against Frieza. Considering how powerful he made the Androids when the highest power level he saw was Great Ape Vegeta's (cut in half by the artificial moon draining him), seeing 3rd form Frieza (who is at a PL of 2 million as a lowball) and adjusting for that will make the Androids over 22x stronger than in-canon. At that level even MSSJ Goku would barely be able to defeat Android 18, let alone 17 or 16. The only way they win is if they're miraculously able to get to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, train, and have SSJ2 Gohan defeat the Androids while Goku sacrifices himself to defeat 16, which is unlikely. Then Babidi and Dabura would revive Buu, Beerus would fight Broly, and around the same time Moro is awakened Cell would be too, and he'd have Buu's powers. In the Future Timeline, 17 and 18 are so strong that there's no possible way for them to be defeated until Cell picks humanity clean and absorbs them. And given the 22x power increase compared to normally achieving Perfection, Cell would be even more terrifying than Fat or Kid Buu, so Majin Buu is never revived. Even if Future Goku came back to face Cell, he'd still fall short even in SSJ3, and Cell would go around the universe.
Just wanted to apologize for the rendering mistakes in this episode. If you remember, I had a similar situation with What if Damon was in Dragon Ball Part 11. Luckily this one wasn’t as bad, but the moment the video was processed I found that there were white backgrounds behind some renders. It was too late to change them, so unfortunately they’ve saved into this video. I hope it doesn’t distract everybody too much!! Sorry again! 😅
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Yo this would drasticaly change goku's power and probally any other sayian
I think Gokus training would've seen diminishing returns after a certain point. Cause if you think about it other saiyans spent their entire lives on vegeta (the planet lol) likely sparring regularly. Those saiyans topped out at like 20k power
Yeah his power at most would be equivalent to Vegeta’s or at 20k
I thought the boost would have been a 38.4 times boost rather than a 19.2 times boost on another 19.2 times boost. Though, I guess they chose to mention the Kaio Ken and weight training with gravity training to go with things there.
The strongest Saiyan in their modern history before Namek was Vegeta with a power level of 18k in base and 180k in Oozaru
King Cold and Vegeta are still out there, and the Android Saga coming up with no SSJ. It's going to be rough for everybody even for Goku. Unless a Future Warrior (Future Gohan) shows up to show off the SSJ Form to Goku and Gohan. Anyways a good new series, and looking forward to the next part soon.
Goku should train in the gravity chamber or the ROSAT!
No mercy for East City huh? Brutal man... brutal...
So wait, Zarbon and Dadoria were just knocked out right? PLZ have them come to and out of fear of Goku swear allegiance to him XD I'm sure Chichi would appreciate having the two to boss around too lol
in Canon Goku had a power level between 19 and 20 times his power level when he got to King Kai
the two increases should have been added together not times
but besides that it's a pretty good story so far
and Vegeta actually would have fought Goku immediately if he saw his power level being sixteen thousand and higher
having Nappa take on the weaklings
I thought about that too. Goku should be at a power level around 16k in this what if.
I know it’s been awhile but I’ve been seeing comments about how the power jump may be illogical, what you guys need to remember is that King Kai isn’t an idiot and goku isn’t going to hold back on training. Goku would most likely ask King Kai to ramp up the training. Seeing as the training is becoming too easy and that he’s getting minimal gains and with Goku informing King Kai, he could create weights that were 10x Goku’s weight (actually even heavier but this is a lowball), of course it’s not the same as the 10x gravity but it’s still gonna be more effective than the regular training. The 153k power level is a possibility, even if it wasn’t a possibility he would be in the 30K - 50K range in power level that not unimaginable in the full 1 year training period.
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I honestly don’t believe if piccolo wasn’t even as strong as Namek Cannon, there’s no way in hell that the Z Fighters would survive 3rd Form Frieza.
Hey Damon I love your what ifs and you are in my top 3 what if yt with smug stick and salad saiyan keep up the great work!
I was here 1 view ago I was always here keep up the good work
I don't think he will grow exponentially to 153.5k. Large part of that 19.2x growth at beginning was his body getting used to 10x gravity. At some point 10x gravity will have diminishing return and his growth would slow
One word. Weights
this is a good what if but his power should have only increased by 40 times
being a power level of 16,640 and able to use the Kaio-ken times 8 and put it to 12
That’s amazing what if
While I agree goku would be significantly stronger than in canon, I doubt goku would reach above 150,000. It took goku 100x gravity training with sensu beans and kaioken (though at a low level) to reach 180,000 against ginyu in the canon, so even with being dead, this doesn't seem like a correct estimate
yes, but goku trained for 6 days alone at 100x, so 60 days at 10x should prove the same increase, and thats 2 months, so 3x that and only reaching 150k is actually a small increase
I also think that Vegeta might tell Goku that he will go to Planet Namek to get his wish instead and when he does he would come back to Earth and make him pay
What if Goku met Raditz in otherworld and convinced Yema to let Raditz come with him to king kai's?.
You should make what if Damon was in Dragon ball saiyan edition.
Thank you this video was deleted and I wanted to re watch it but I couldn't thank you for re-uploading it
Can you please continue this what if and reincarnated cell please I’m on my knees I’m begging you bro🥺
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I was here at 9 views also keep up the awesome content Damon
Absolutely cant wait for part 2
Damn, I wish that goku went super saiyan! But trunks will come and give him the concept of it then I think he’ll go super saiyan
Earthlings need to go to Yardrat
and let's not forget that Kami knew he was either going to die of old age or if Piccolo was going to be killed in the battle with the Saiyans
so it would have been better if Piccolo died in the Battle making them need to go to Namek anyway
The math in this is so off, you wouldn’t amp his 6 month power by 19.2 again that stacks it too high
Also remember Goku could barely move when he first got to king Kais planet the gravity was so intense, by the time he left he could jump around freely no sweat, so a further 6 months would only be a slight increase.
He could definitely improve his Kaioken tho
I think it would tho! 😄 Mainly since like I said in the vid, King Kai could give Goku those weights to make his body heavier, that way he can get training similar to how he did on Namek. That’s why he got so powerful.
@@DamonWhatif hmm you make a good point with the weighted training!
I still don’t think he’d get to 100K power level in this period tho that’s too high a jump, but defs in the tens of thousands for sure!
I do agree with the amping of Kaioken tho! Also, maybe he learned Kai Kai here too since King Kai told Goku in the cell arc he could have taught him that but he never asked...wonder how much that would have changed the saiyan/namek/Frieza arc 👀
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11 minutes IS NOT LONG, it's fine if your what ifs are short.
I also think Goku might have rescued Nappa preventing his death
that new power level of 153k is wrong. what i think you did was 416x19.2x19.2 instead of 416x38.4 which would be a more accurate and reasonable power level.
I did 8000 divided by 416 to see how much stronger he got which was 19.2x. I then decided to multiply that to 8000 so he could get 19.2x stronger, which was 153,600
Hi Damon
I think you made a mistake multiplying Goku's power by 19.2, and then doing it again because he had twice the amount of time to train.
What you should have done was double it to get roughly 40×, and multiplied that by his base power to get roughly 18,000.
In other words, you squared his training multiplier when you should have merely doubled it...
What if Izuku met All Might a whole year earlier?
let's see....
Future Goten instead of future Trunks?
Vegeta goes to Namek, gets beaten, comes back to earth to recruit them against king Cold since they defeated Freeza before ....
Goku and Vegeta train, the rest join them but don't gain much power, they learn king Cold is going to Namek and they actually beat him to the planet.
Guru refuses to Unlock Vegeta's power, and Goku refuses that power since it's a cheat power, the rest of the fighters do get it tho, and I mean, even Chiautzu, Yamcha, and Tenshinhan get it.
power levels:-
Piccolo: 500,000
Gohan: 90,000
Gihan (Rage): 1,500,000
Tenshinhan: 105,000
Krilin: 85,000
Yamcha: 70,000
Chiautsu: 35,000
Vegeta: 3,000,000
Goku: 5,000,000
Goku Kaiokin x20: 100,000,000
king Cold 2nd form (his usual form): 110,000,000
king Cold 3rd form: 190,000,000
king Cold final form: 240,000,000 (he loses stamina fast)
Goku Super Saiyan: 250,000,000
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the Android saga is a walk in the park, there is no need for Trunks to come back in time, we could just pretend that Guru still found the heart Virus in Goku and gave him an early warning, Bulma created the medicine in the neck of time, and that whole issue is now avoided.
This is a great what if but the only think that I will change was that goku spare vegeta in z gpku spare him because he want him to defeat him alone but this time he accomplished it. He would maybe spate him just to let him get stronger
Hey! It’s me Keenan and I was wondering if I could draw some more in the video?
Can you please do part 2
I'm guessing Bulma and Dr.Gero will get Frieza's force technology
Hey Damon, could you make a what if the movies were cannon?
The only part of this that doesn't make sense, is that goku doesn't just make nappa and vegeta immediately explode with one punch like gohan did to frieza in fusion reborn.
He wanted to still have a good fight
Make part 2
I thought Goku's power would be the double, but i was wrong xd
How,is he 100k base power when it took Goku 5 months to reach 8k,so shouldn't he be at least 16k as his time only double a bit
If anybody else did do this idea and they’re name ain’t Damon the whole what f community would call the idea trash 💀💀
Ngl I think this is the first time this has been made into a vid
Need part 2
Ima say No survivor from future Unless it’s Regular Future trunks
Unless Vegeta comes back to Earth (Which he could.) Future Trunks wouldn't come like normal. I'm thinking if it's anybody from the Future Timeline showing up it's Future Gohan.
pls do a part 3
Wheres vegeta when frieza came to earth
I would've thought he would join goku only to best frieza and then live on earth
at first it seemed that the multiplier was way to high but goku went around a power level of 800 to over 8000
Goku's power level was 400+
This is the w what if
Goku went from a 334 power level to over 9000 which could be 9500 or even 10,000. I’ll be going with 10,000 to make it an even number that means Goku became at least 30x stronger in 6 months. That means Goku could become 60x stronger in a year which would give him a 20,000 power level in base and with Kaioken x20 he would be 400,000. Which is a bit below Frieza first form. Yeah, Vegeta and Nappa are dead meat
yeah early squad
The z fighters would have been slaughtered by frieza while he charged his spirit bomb.. which would lead in someone dying and gohan unlocking super sayian
Damon I was close I thought that kami would teleport him there
Oh snap so he'll get the FULL year to train under king kai!
I think you got lost in thought with the power multipliers
How would double the time with King Kia end with Goku going from 8,000+ in canon to over 150,000 in this what if?
I first thought that you accidentally multiplied the 19.2X by another 19.2X, but that would put Goku at nearly 3M from 8,000.
Then I thought that you might have doubled the multiplier. 38.4X. This would put Goku slightly over 300k from 8,000.
I cannot figure out where 153,600 came from.
So what I did was divide 8000 by 416 to get around 19.2, and then I multiplied 19.2 to get 153,600.
@@DamonWhatif What? Dividing by a multiplier just makes the multiplication and division cancel each other out.
@@tankofnova9022 He means that he divided 8000 by 416 and that was 19.2 so he multiplied 8000 by 19.2 again
@@zipnorth5398 8,000 X 19.2 X 19.2= 2,949,120... which makes my first comment wrong as I didn't count the amount of numbers correctly in google calculator, which doesn't include commas in numbers.
but still, there's no way he did that in this video.
@@tankofnova9022 416 x 19.2= 8000
8000 x 19.2 = around 153600
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153k? I thought he’d be 40k Max in base. Seems a bit high to me.
because you would have had Goku become 368.64 time stronger
Goku power level 153,354.24 or 153,354
and the rest of the Z Fighters only became 8.5 to 8.6
in the same year and that seems kind of off even for Goku in the Z series
this is how strong Piccolo should have gotten with your calculations
73.589484812 time stronger
this is how strong Piccolo should have gotten with your calculations Piccolo
power level 30,024.509803582 or 30,024
AKA DBZ any% speedrun
When is the next part
early=good
Hey Damon so does that mean vegeta gets his wish seeing that there's no freeza or goku to stop him?
Y didn't goku train with the yardratian
Bro. Why not just double it? Why square it?
Did it say in the anime he has 89 days to train?
If you ever did make a part two to this then vegeta would die in namek since mail is stronger then him. King cold comes to earth since he’ll know about where frieza is
for right now, Goku and the others are very much weaker than they were in canon, hope Future Trunks makes it in but since Vegeta is out in space, I don't have much faith in that thought.
you have to remember that they train for three years
to prepare for the Androids and they didn't get as much of an increase as you give Goku right now
But they also didn't train with a god. Or have there first ever bout of gravity training
Wow early I’m never that in school
Why does everyone low ball power levels why can't someone high ball the power levels for once
wouldnt u just multipy the power increase x2 so 19.2 x2 so 34.4 now that times his base of 416 to now be roughly 16k not including zenkai of his revival so more so 20k and just double his previous max multiplier of kaioken to now be 8 with nearly any strain And 10 with strain giving him an overall max power lvl of 200k
19.2 ×2= 38.4 not 34.4
I’m not gonna lie you the power level was wayyyy tooo much I feel like his power would atleast be 13,000 or a lil bit more
Hey Damon this is a great what if which I'm listening to for the second time now I feel like Goku has been overpowered in this scenario look into the law of diminishing returns and see if that can be applied somehow
Oh shit, this means Vegeta gets to go to Namek completely uno- oh wait that's right, Nail's on Namek so Vegeta can't do much.
The universe is screwed. No matter how much Goku trains at this point, the Z-Fighters stand no chance of ever defeating the Androids, especially since noone left for Namek so Gero recorded the fight against Frieza. Considering how powerful he made the Androids when the highest power level he saw was Great Ape Vegeta's (cut in half by the artificial moon draining him), seeing 3rd form Frieza (who is at a PL of 2 million as a lowball) and adjusting for that will make the Androids over 22x stronger than in-canon. At that level even MSSJ Goku would barely be able to defeat Android 18, let alone 17 or 16. The only way they win is if they're miraculously able to get to the Hyperbolic Time Chamber, train, and have SSJ2 Gohan defeat the Androids while Goku sacrifices himself to defeat 16, which is unlikely. Then Babidi and Dabura would revive Buu, Beerus would fight Broly, and around the same time Moro is awakened Cell would be too, and he'd have Buu's powers.
In the Future Timeline, 17 and 18 are so strong that there's no possible way for them to be defeated until Cell picks humanity clean and absorbs them. And given the 22x power increase compared to normally achieving Perfection, Cell would be even more terrifying than Fat or Kid Buu, so Majin Buu is never revived. Even if Future Goku came back to face Cell, he'd still fall short even in SSJ3, and Cell would go around the universe.
11:08 what fan manga is that (you probably won't see this comment because this is on a 3-year-old video)
Don’t worry I gotchu, it’s actually from the original DBZ manga. Chapter 109 I think
@@DamonWhatif what volume and title name
Vol.10: Vegeta’s Ploy
@@DamonWhatif thx but on the website (that I'm on) it says chapter 4
im early
Are you still having the render problem
Yep....😔
@@DamonWhatif man kinemaster just hates you dont it lol btw i loved the what if
Name manga
OMG IM THE 999NTH LIKE JUST FLIP IT UPSIDOWN
Your took it to far should off just doubled his power level as in 100 times gravity he just got to that level
*Over 9000 smh 8k isn't as funny
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