This is what I always thought. It was Jessica looking at her son and seeing for the first time that he’s not only a grown man, but also the kwisatz haderach she created and all the implications that come along with that… Not the little kid she protected and taught. I always felt in those few seconds she stared at him, she felt pride in the great man she’s seen her son become, but also fear of what he may do with the power he would inherit. Same way reverend mother became fearful during the gom jabber scene.
LOL you got all that??? I hated every second of this male white supremacy film when I saw it in theaters 2 years ago. Don't write back to tell me about the book, I don't care about it - I only watched because I thought Chalamet would break the toxic masculinity mold and I was proven wrong and now I'm no longer his fan. This woman plays the most deplorable mother ever put to film. She needs a child's help to survive in the desert and he also saves her ass on more than 1 occasion. I never saw her protect him ONCE in the film (even though she "vowed" to the duke to protect him "with her life" LMAO). When she "killed" the bad guys in the ornithroper it's also to save her own skin, and when she disarms Stilgar it's because he threatened to throw her out of the group. Most tellingly, the fact that she cried every 5 minutes while all the men around her stayed stoic shows that women can't control their own emotions (since she's the only main female, she represents ALL women). The director is incredibly tone-deaf.
@@jackie-qn1bv Did you even read the books? The story is a satire on the white savior trope. It shows her, a white woman manipulating the natives into making her son their prophet. Maybe have better media literacy next time. 😂
When someone first told me they felt that scene was implying something sexual, I was completely baffled, because how I remembered experiencing that scene, was that my mind was racing between a bunch of different interpretations and meanings, and none of them were anything like that, but everything to do with things that happened through the entire movie leading up to that lol
Same, i never thought of that in the cinema but aftcwr hearing this and watching again at home it looks kinda weird when you have that in mind. I mean there is incest all over media and also in the Dune books so not that big of a surprise.
There’s a line in the book that I think lends itself quite well to your interpretation of this scene: ‘Jessica followed automatically, noting how she now lived in her son’s orbit.’ (Page 220 in my copy of Dune)
Finally. 🖖 About the scene I'll add, if I'm not wrong, that after this moment Jessica it's always positioned behind Paul. Since this moment, it's the opposite, Paul behind Jessica.
Good analysis. I think you're totally on with the prior references to her picking out Paul's clothes, etc. I can see the confusion though, as even I questioned the intention of the scene. In most films, that would be the exact progression of shots that would show two characters becoming shyly attracted to each other. Contextually we know this is not the case, but in the language of film, it's a trope that has been presented to us.
I figured he was checking if she was changing and if not he was going to tell her to. Her survival depended on it since they are entering the desert on foot.
Great content! Finally! 🤩 I'd love to see the scene breakdown where Paul and Kynes have that conversation about turning against the Emperor! Also the tend scene or the one in the mist on Caladan between Paul and Jessica!
Also remember, before his father died, (Leto) and Jessica had a conversation. He said, "Will you protect Paul?" She said "Of course I love my son" and Lto said, "No, I'm speaking to you as a Jesuit Mother! and she hesitated. She would have to end him if it meant protecting the reverend mothers. It seemed to me that they are also a bit telepathic so she doesn't want Paul to figure out what she's thinking. He already scinced that she's pregnant and that the mothers don't want him to drink the Water of life.
Good man, bring on the Dune content my friend! Agree with the analysis, the power dynamic shifts. The tension remains. This will become clearer in Part 2 and hopefully beyond.
The books are always far more clear on these things, although there is some really weird incest stuff that has no bearing on anything whatsoever. Specifically in dune messiah
I am sure the director did both versions But the normal: "modesty of both positioned away from each other " with the right camera angles would of been intensified by the context ...is simple and more powerful
Your channel is great. I hope you get many more subscribers. Your narration is very succinct and well-written with not a word wasted. Great pacing and timing and great quality of editing. I’m about to binge the rest of your videos.
Anyone who thinks that she was looking at him sexually is probably a hater who will die on the “84 version is king” hill. It’s clearly showing the power dynamic shift between them.
No this scene. But the rest of the movie she look very young and more intimity close to paul. This is easy explain ... booth actors are georgeous and inded the quimic beetwen them is palpable. The characters in the guión are fine and well constructed.
Yes, i also thought incest, but also thought, nah it's probably something else the director wants to convey. Same thing happened in shazam during the adoption scene. Unfortunately, there's no other way of showing some things.
The scene did feel awkward to me, but it felt like Jessica realized she must take Paul’s lead now. He studied the desert way of life and how to walk, what to wear etc. if anything I think she felt inadequate in that moment.
If anyone saw anything erotic in this scene, they should get treatment and get out of the environment they live in. You guys really don't know what normal family relations are about anymore. If it excites you to see your mother looking at you like this, really go get treated.
I think the 'changing shot' has been so done in one particular context that you have to work extra hard do divert it from that context. while your analysis is probably the intension, the director did not put in the work needed or did not consider the audience fully. then again, I have no idea how you would change the perspective to fix this
Paul: *Whips out his sandworm* Jessica: *Watches sparkling dustlets of spice twinkle over Paul's naked body* *Bites lip and makes the Belle Delphine face*
Funnily, nothing like this scene is in the book. In fact, the book never portrays Paul as being this emotionally distraught about who he is. It's kind of like the film makers really, really, really wanted to gender flip the character, but just couldn't bring themselves to... so they just wrote him like a woman and cast a male that looks like one...
This is what I always thought. It was Jessica looking at her son and seeing for the first time that he’s not only a grown man, but also the kwisatz haderach she created and all the implications that come along with that… Not the little kid she protected and taught. I always felt in those few seconds she stared at him, she felt pride in the great man she’s seen her son become, but also fear of what he may do with the power he would inherit. Same way reverend mother became fearful during the gom jabber scene.
EXACTLY. Well put
LOL you got all that??? I hated every second of this male white supremacy film when I saw it in theaters 2 years ago. Don't write back to tell me about the book, I don't care about it - I only watched because I thought Chalamet would break the toxic masculinity mold and I was proven wrong and now I'm no longer his fan. This woman plays the most deplorable mother ever put to film. She needs a child's help to survive in the desert and he also saves her ass on more than 1 occasion. I never saw her protect him ONCE in the film (even though she "vowed" to the duke to protect him "with her life" LMAO). When she "killed" the bad guys in the ornithroper it's also to save her own skin, and when she disarms Stilgar it's because he threatened to throw her out of the group. Most tellingly, the fact that she cried every 5 minutes while all the men around her stayed stoic shows that women can't control their own emotions (since she's the only main female, she represents ALL women). The director is incredibly tone-deaf.
@@jackie-qn1bv Did you even read the books? The story is a satire on the white savior trope. It shows her, a white woman manipulating the natives into making her son their prophet. Maybe have better media literacy next time. 😂
@@jackie-qn1bv Wow, you hit every check box there. Congratulations, I'm legitimately impressed lol.
@@jackie-qn1bv What about Chani? This is just one film, There are many films where there heroine is female and sometimes Black.
I took it to mean that she’s seeing the end of her child . He’s been forced to become a man over night
When someone first told me they felt that scene was implying something sexual,
I was completely baffled, because how I remembered experiencing that scene,
was that my mind was racing between a bunch of different interpretations and meanings, and none of them were anything like that, but everything to do with things that happened through the entire movie leading up to that lol
Americans always obsessed with sexual stuff. It’s so annoying, to me was quite clear.
Same, i never thought of that in the cinema but aftcwr hearing this and watching again at home it looks kinda weird when you have that in mind.
I mean there is incest all over media and also in the Dune books so not that big of a surprise.
There’s a line in the book that I think lends itself quite well to your interpretation of this scene:
‘Jessica followed automatically, noting how she now lived in her son’s orbit.’ (Page 220 in my copy of Dune)
Exactly. A shift in the power dynamic!
Finally. 🖖
About the scene I'll add, if I'm not wrong, that after this moment Jessica it's always positioned behind Paul. Since this moment, it's the opposite, Paul behind Jessica.
Good analysis. I think you're totally on with the prior references to her picking out Paul's clothes, etc. I can see the confusion though, as even I questioned the intention of the scene. In most films, that would be the exact progression of shots that would show two characters becoming shyly attracted to each other. Contextually we know this is not the case, but in the language of film, it's a trope that has been presented to us.
Very well put. I can see how visually people could think that because of previous movie experiences.
I figured he was checking if she was changing and if not he was going to tell her to. Her survival depended on it since they are entering the desert on foot.
0:29 Putting him in uncomfortable situations AKA walking your son to a witch who is hell bent on killing your kid.
Great content! Finally! 🤩 I'd love to see the scene breakdown where Paul and Kynes have that conversation about turning against the Emperor! Also the tend scene or the one in the mist on Caladan between Paul and Jessica!
Noted! I think my next video with be the Fog Conversation between Paul and Jessica
Also remember, before his father died, (Leto) and Jessica had a conversation. He said, "Will you protect Paul?" She said "Of course I love my son" and Lto said, "No, I'm speaking to you as a Jesuit Mother! and she hesitated. She would have to end him if it meant protecting the reverend mothers. It seemed to me that they are also a bit telepathic so she doesn't want Paul to figure out what she's thinking. He already scinced that she's pregnant and that the mothers don't want him to drink the Water of life.
I would’ve looked at Jessica
Lol
Amongst all this serious stuff...
😂 nice
Good man, bring on the Dune content my friend!
Agree with the analysis, the power dynamic shifts. The tension remains. This will become clearer in Part 2 and hopefully beyond.
Great video and excellent explanation. I really enjoyed the way the director showed the power shift
The books are always far more clear on these things, although there is some really weird incest stuff that has no bearing on anything whatsoever. Specifically in dune messiah
Wouldn't surprise me with these great houses to be fair
I am sure the director did both versions
But the normal:
"modesty of both positioned away from each other " with the right camera angles
would of been intensified by the context ...is simple and more powerful
Your channel is great. I hope you get many more subscribers. Your narration is very succinct and well-written with not a word wasted. Great pacing and timing and great quality of editing. I’m about to binge the rest of your videos.
Anyone who thinks that she was looking at him sexually is probably a hater who will die on the “84 version is king” hill.
It’s clearly showing the power dynamic shift between them.
Great video, I already followed you everywhere, having you on RUclips is amazing
No this scene. But the rest of the movie she look very young and more intimity close to paul.
This is easy explain ... booth actors are georgeous and inded the quimic beetwen them is palpable.
The characters in the guión are fine and well constructed.
Paul's "Voice" is straight-up Sam Kinnison
Awesome video! Can't wait for more content :)
maybe tribute to jodorowski's dune (jessica and paul incestuous relationship) 😂
I always saw it as they're royalty, and now they've lost everything and are being forced to get changed in front of each other. It's a look of loss
Yes, i also thought incest, but also thought, nah it's probably something else the director wants to convey. Same thing happened in shazam during the adoption scene. Unfortunately, there's no other way of showing some things.
Why Americans have to twist everything to that stuff?
rebecca Ferguson is gorgeous
The scene did feel awkward to me, but it felt like Jessica realized she must take Paul’s lead now. He studied the desert way of life and how to walk, what to wear etc. if anything I think she felt inadequate in that moment.
It's a nod to Incendies (2010) by the same director HAHAHA
If anyone saw anything erotic in this scene, they should get treatment and get out of the environment they live in. You guys really don't know what normal family relations are about anymore. If it excites you to see your mother looking at you like this, really go get treated.
thanks, lol, I am rewatching Dune and was like "uhhh, what?"
The moment Paul looked and became Lookinberg.
Great video, keep it up
Thanks! Much more to come!
I think the 'changing shot' has been so done in one particular context that you have to work extra hard do divert it from that context. while your analysis is probably the intension, the director did not put in the work needed or did not consider the audience fully. then again, I have no idea how you would change the perspective to fix this
I just saw the movie and thought this scene was weird and came to see if it was intended to be weird
Paul:
*Whips out his sandworm*
Jessica:
*Watches sparkling dustlets of spice twinkle over Paul's naked body*
*Bites lip and makes the Belle Delphine face*
😐
bye
The internet was a mistake.
Genuinely what the hell's the matter with you?
That was definitely interesting
This is awesome!!
Thanks, Jeff!
good analysis
she a thinkin of the pickle... no need no explanations
Grt
Funnily, nothing like this scene is in the book. In fact, the book never portrays Paul as being this emotionally distraught about who he is. It's kind of like the film makers really, really, really wanted to gender flip the character, but just couldn't bring themselves to... so they just wrote him like a woman and cast a male that looks like one...
Some comments should stay in the drafts…
What's wrong with you! You're not just weird but also sexist !
Nah bro. Paul is a beast