Flats Reacts To "The Gaming Industry has lost their collective mind"
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Getting so damn tired of hearing publishers keep insisting we need to pay more for games because games are so much more expensive while ignoring the fact that a large portion of that expense for AAA games is advertising and c suite bloat. Games dont NEED to cost that much money, the companies are just poorly managed.
Nowadays companies think money makes good games when it's actually passion that made games good back in the day. People made games for the passion of it and not to only make mega dollars
Not just marketing and bloat, they just completely mismanage their budgets from start to finish.
I work in QA and the level of mismanagement I've witnessed would blow your mind.
I actually smiled at most of the layoffs in the last 2 years because I know a whole lot of studio closures were entirely deserved.
The only part that sucks is the absolutely incompetent project managers are often not the ones getting axed.
@@CookedNZI wish the Halo devs new that 😞 when they said "the graffics is what made people talk abaout Halo 1"
not to mention that overall quality and quantity has decreased over the years
I think the overall funniest part about Publishers and Devs asking for more money saying games take more time and effort to make now. Is literally the start of this last console generation when Unreal 5 was being talked about, one of the BIGGEST plus the whole industry on the professional side would talk about was how much easier making games and bigger games would be. I think the industry forgets it hyped that up.
im not a one piece fan but i see a new big pirate era coming LMAO
Corny
THE ONE PIECE IS REAL
It's already here.
@@Chris-dy1cb hur hur hur
This slop ain’t worth pirating, bro.
What a lot of people don't address: released games used to get cheaper way faster. If a game is selling well nowadays, it remains at the full release price forever, even if years old
Yup. This whole push is just one big marketing experiment - how much will people theoretically pay for literal nothingness with a label on it?
I don't know about that, seems the opposite to me. Maybe just cuz it was a flop but suicide Squad was like five bucks the other day
@@deoxxys And 20 years ago it would have been in a bin out front of a kaybee toys marked as something like $.99 or 3 for $5. Back when every copy was physical, retailers would do anything to get them outr of their stores. It is an unassailable fact that the games industry is pulling in record profits; I don't know why people feel the need to try so hard to disprove the obvious just because their favorite dev tells them the sky is green.
@@GoodMenstruationAttitude
Ohhhhh!
Well there you go. It's quite obvious what you're talking about now. The reason why you would get dirt cheap prices for those physical games is because they get set by a market based on their demand. The retailers themselves would set low prices because they have a need to get rid of physical stock. Now that everything is digital, there's not really a need for that.
Also psst, if you PC game, sometimes you can get dirt cheap old games on 3rd party websites. Allkeyshop finds all of the prices.
@@deoxxys Yep gamers know there are still good deals to be found. But certain games less dependent on player count... strategy games, RPGs, I think on average their actual purchase price has gone way up on average thanks to eternal $20-30 pricing. Some drop to $5 on holidays, some don't. Anyway it's all good just giving my perspective. The gaming space changes so quickly it's hard to think straight
Calling it now. GTA 6 will be $70-$80 for standard edition (just Story Mode), $100 for premium edition (Story Mode and Early Access to GTA Online), a $40 standalone for online, and $129.99-$149.99 for a premium edition with $1m online money.
pirating gta 6 will be the most popular thing ever if thats how much it'll cost
@@Glizzyman no, it's GTA6. people will buy it at any price really.
and everyone on console and content creators will purchase for that price. 🤑
@@Amy_399 yes and no, bc while it will be the most popular game for atleast 2 years+,, that also means a lot of pc players will pirate it(depending if its easy to pirate)
nah they would probably make it 70$ but make an 100-120$ Edition that has like a week of early access
39:20 I heard that guardians of the galaxy was actually really great. But it flopped because of the marvel association, it came out after the marvels avengers game which was just live service slop and people assumed guardians would be more of the same.
It was actually really good. It's not often we get actually good story driven single player games with good gameplay these days outside of Sony.
@@chris61986exactly
That's actually fair the game was fantastic and I'm glad I played but the avengers definitely made me weary of it
It’d be such a power move if GTA 6 came out at $60
And yknow what they might even profit more from it by getting more players in the door and getting a larger playerbase for the online which would be the real moneymaker
HiFi Rush was a good game though. Just not enough marketing and no one talked about it on release, but the game is good.
Thats what I'm saying. So was the guardians of the galaxy game
Hi-fi rush also got shadow launched onto gamepass in a theorized attempt by Microsoft to sabotage any potential success.
Holy shit.. i always thought Flats was older than me.. FOR YEARS of watching this man.. WE ARE THE SAME AGE
Dude. Same
i was so confused for the 1st 5 min of this video bc it took my brain so long to process that this is all in USD. i was just sitting here like games are already around 100 bucks. which is already hella expensive. i just converted 100usd to aud and realised it was 160 bucks........ that's way too much wtffff half my paycheck gone just for 1 game
Lol some I have to keep reminding myself that it's not CAD
Is this real chat? It usually seems really obvious to me when someone outside the us is talking about money it’s a different currency.
@@Skootlesecretsthe hell you talking about ? What chat 😂
Flats what do you mean by “so your parents can go to the store” when referring to the famed Santa Claus?
Obviously his parents help scout the merchandise for Santa to pick up later.
When he was explaining circling the toys you wanted in the magazine it felt so nostalgic. What a time to be alive
for horizon zero dawn at 32:10 yeah they made it look better but the original is holds up really well despite being 7yrs old at the time the remasters release and the sequel horizon forbidden west only came out in 2022 if players wanted a newer looking horizon game
alot people were hoping for a remaster/remake of an older sony owned game that wouldve had a bigger impact from being remastered/remade than just the slight graphical improvement like horizon zero dawn
Maybe the main reason is to force developers to become even more dependent on publishers. Thus preventing companies from self-publishing like Wukong and Baldur's Gate.
Explain. Because the way things are going, the exact opposite is happening.
my question is do people not realized that wages for starting employees also have not kept up with inflation?
I think most ppl do, but the ones making decisions don't realize the wealth disparity. My sister waits tables at an upscale restaurant, and most of the customers don't understand that she as employee can't afford to eat at the restaurant she works at. Most of the ppl making decisions in a lot of different industries are having this issue of not realizing the effect of raising prices without raising wages. They don't understand that the ones paying their prices are the ones living off of their wages, and more importantly, they don't understand that means that most ppl can't afford it anymore.
28:30 Diablo 4 is what I’ve been thinking of this whole video. I love it but it’s $70 for the base game, $40 for the DLC, has a battle pass and microtransactions ($20+ each). It’s a pretty bad setup.
Another thing I’m surprised neither of you mentioned is physical media. Games used to cost $50-60 but you had the physical copy (which also is a cost the developers/publishers had to pay that they don’t now with digital games) and then there were resellers like GameStop. So if you couldn’t afford a $60 game on launch, you could usually find it preowned pretty quickly. It also made it possible to share games amongst friends etc.
I am never buying a game that cost 100$, just out of principle.
My eternally goated developer (not a major studio ik) is ConcernedApe, Eric Barone. Stardew Vallew is an absolute labor of love and I'm sure his next game, Haunted Chocolatier, is going to be very much the same. He has released years of free content and updates for Stardew just because it's his passion and the price has never gone up. Love that guy and the industry can learn something from him: make good shit that is fairly priced and take care of your players and they will reward you with their loyalty.
He's one of the greats.
Klein games also makes a lot of great stuff like Don't Starve and Oxygen Not Included.
"You can spend money on video games but can't spend money at the bar with us?"
Yes i would rather spend money on a game i can play for more than a day than spend money on alcohol thats going to be pissed out and possibly ruin my health and cost way more because its at the bar.
When Flats said "Marvel Games" at pointed directly to GOTHAM KNIGHTS it made me very mad lmao
48:40, EA fired all of the writers that worked on Veilguard. The Game Director sought opportunities elsewhere, mere months after launch. In the shareholders meeting EA says it only 'engaged' 50% of expected players.
It's because people don't want single player games. Has nothing to do with the decline of Bioware in general and taking a loved grimdark franchise and substituting it with generic Marvel movie writing.
The annoying thing is that GTA6 could charge $100 and probably be worth it. Other publishers will see that GTA6 was able to sell at that price point, then try to peddle their turds at the same price, completely missing the fact that GTA6 can pull it off because of its quality.
31:34 looking at these squirrels be stretched tf out while listening to Flats 😂😂😂
Games were over priced in the 90s as well and there were not as many games being released. The market is completely different. There is now digital delivery, free to play, game pass and online multi-player, none of which existed in the 90s. You can not compare the 90s to today. Games are also a form of entertainment, and when the economy isn't doing well, consumers cut entertainment first.
RUclips is easier to watch because it's less commercials and you can skip them. Another thing about RUclips chat you can't really tag people especially on mobile to try to have that interaction.
As someone living in Norway, 100 dollar is over 1100 NOK, and that is well past the 1000 mark for us, right now I have to pay 800 NOK for AAA games, so we are basically already on that 80$ feel, and it has put me off 99% of all AAA games. I genuinely cannot be F-ing bothered buying those games (and yes, I can afford it, I just don't want to buy them.)
I think theres multiple steps of logic for why games havent increased in price and why gamers dont think they should.
1. The total amount of gamers has increased, so when you make a game your likely to sell it to more people
2. Games have moved primarily digital, nobody is printing games on disks, holding inventory, or providing us with IRL bonuses for purchasing things like they used to.
3. Games are eventually discounted anyways and typically are sold at a premium to people willing to spend more for things like early access and particular ingame perks
4. Games often include microtransactions that go far beyond the base price of the game, companies have even shown theyre willing to give away games for free in order to get this revenue instead
So when you have games like baldurs gate that dont take advantage of gamers say they think their premium product should be worth 70$ i think a lot of people can get behind that. But when you have the industry as a whole saying "games should be more expensive" it just seems like another instance of corporate greed thats ruining the industry itself.
Favorite quote from a developer that’s fits into this rant is “culture should be for the people that can afford it” so if games become super expensive like 100$ we are definitely going to see a lot of piracy happen because not everyone can afford 100$ on a game
I swear if fucking fifa goes 100 bucks, that is gonna be the biggest L in the whole industry. They aren't even worth it 40
Can we just call out companies on thinking they're Hollywood? When did every game need to be this big blockbuster release? When did every game need nearly 5mil to make? Gta 6 selling for 100 would be either a huge success and or fail and would dictate the future the only problem being the other companies aren't rock star so they can't get away with it and it'll lead to massive layoffs if a game fails even more so than now.
17 and not a zoomer, not all of us are the same thankyou 😊
Love you flats your my favourite streamer 👍🏾
If you born in gen Z, you are a Zoomer
I didnt realise how little the pricetag has changed over the years compared to everything else. Halo reach cost 60bbucks when it was new but a cheeseburger here in sweden has been increased by 50%
I literally don't spend money on anything except a few necessities. But I always make compromises for food cuz having a good meal just does something for my soul.
This is what's kept me out of 90% of AAA games. I can't be asked to pay 70 bucks for anything less than a game like baldur's gate 3 - something with a beefy amount of content (though I just mean between 10-20 hours, bg3's scale is an anomaly, though it's quality shouldn't be) and most importantly extremely high quality. otherwise I'm gonna be playing these cool indie games or the same old fighting games I've been playing for forever. If bg3 cost 100 bucks, I would've paid 100 bucks, the actual number means very little to me in my current situation given the game itself is great - but big studios have been putting out slop for well over a decade. It helps that Bg3 isn't begging me for money every second, which has become the fastest way I get turned off of a game.
And I think the market will follow suit and crash in a similar way - gtaVI will be successful if it's good and the cost is almost irrelevant to anyone who can even just save up to afford it. But CoD 19 zombies is gonna hurt itself asking for 100 dollars driving away a ton of people who don't care. The fact of the matter is they can't keep throwing more and more and more budget at games and expect better results, because that's not how art works.
I really wish it didn't have to be this way, but I think nothing except AAA game dev crashing and burning is going to get them to reorient towards something more sustainable at large, and so I really hope it happens sooner rather than later, so more good games are made, and less people's lives and health are ruined in the process.
A can of Arizona tea is 99 cents. It says it on the can. Some places charge $1.59. I don't give a f*** about inflation. I'm not paying more than 99 cents. I can say for a fact that I'm not spending $100 just to get the base game. GTA might be the exception because I'll probably play it for 10 years
Just as a note, report that to Arizona Tea corporate. They hate that and will stop doing business with companies/locations that try to sell them for higher.
The biggest issue is the quality of games that Triple A producers make now. I don’t mind spending $70 for Baldurs Gate 3 because it’s a truly incredible game that I can sink hundreds of hours into. Same for GTA and a few other titles, but they are not the majority. And if the majority pricing goes up they are going to lose players
People buying a $100 USD game: >:(
People buying $250 USD worth of skins, battle passes, and other content for the same "free" game: :D
That isn't the problem, it's the quality of the product usually (and already) not matching price for content ratio, we have been in anti consumer hell with everything having a price or a long grind before the game gets 'fun' and mean while every company is starting to act like the sims devs, only they could make dlc from past games and make people pay for that access to something that should be in base game of last game had that dlc already, it's like if COD made nuketown a pay-walled DLC it makes no sense if it's already part of the game or is able to be made into the game out the gate
One you bought and in this day and age likely got disappointed with a mediocre product, the other you enjoyed and decided to invest money into.
Couple key points you're missing.
1. That $250 is not prior to playing the game. Most players accumulate that amount of paid content over the course of months or years playing the game. By that point you've already gotten your money's worth because you've played for hundreds or thousands of hours.
2. Because the $250 is after you have already played the game, you can evaluate if you want to spend money on that stuff to support the game. If the game is bad, no harm no foul. If the game becomes your main game you dump dozens of hours into, nothing wrong with supporting the devs by buying some skins.
TLDR: I will spend $250 on a game I have 1K hours before I spend $100 on a game I've never played before
I will gladly pay $250 for fancy toys in a game I have spent 2000 hours in already. You can't tell me that spending $100 on something that may or may not be good is the same as spending $250 on a game that has delivered far past expectations.
it's funny to think how the £70-£80 games don't sell as well, when you see all the £50-£60 games like space marine 2 and baldurs gate 3 selling like mad. I mean shit, Helldivers 2 is £40 and that game is nuts
Dragon age the veil guard predicted 3 million copies sold and ended with 1.5 million “engaged players”
Dude in 1996 super mario 64 and killer instinct gold was $70 a game! N64 was $300... Idk man that was a LOT back then.
Games got so expensive, I now just wait for sales out of principle. I don't see games and think they are worth full price. Most aren't
Games are already 100$ in Canada an 80$ game with taxes is 101$
The Zero Dawn remaster was needed and it looks great. If you own the game, you dont have to spend $60 for the remaster. It's $10 if you want it and own the game. You only pay full price if you DON'T already own the game.
Games stayed the the same price but the consumers have done nothing but increased. So they have been selling more copies.
Love the vids on this channel Flats! It's becoming my favorite!
Notice how no one is thinking of gamepass being more valuable if it’s 100 for a game.
32:25 horizon zero dawn remaster was only like £10 if you already had the original, full price if you didn’t. It didn’t really need the upgrade, but I think that’s a fair deal, I’m currently playing it and loving it.
I like his opinion on the matter so much. I'm currently in a phase with gaming where my favorite games of all time don't even reach $60 anymore. Celeste is probably my actual all-time favorite and it's less than $30, I think. Pseudoregalia is my favorite 3D platformer, $6.
For the most part, I don't spend $60 for fames anymore. Unless it's a game that means so much to me as a person, I won't do it. And if games go higher, that'll only pull me away from games that might look interesting.
Dude, I mainline mostly Indie games for years now. It's amazing how fucking good these games are. Occassionally, I get a Triple AAA game and it'll be OKAY but not even remotely as good as the indie games, example: Starwars Jedi Series, Horizona Dawn Zero, etc. Those games are okaaaaaay but they're not GOOD. Yet, they cost way more, had way more production, and had marketing budgets.
Indies for life baby! (Techinically we could call BG3 an Indie, but I don't - so it's an example of a rare AAA win from me.).
If games cost $100 the world will enter the pirate era of gaming
Also CoD BO 6 uses AI Cosmetics and loading screen arts and lost a lot of VO since no AI protection
im playing spiderman 2 before the 2 hotfixes it was freezing and crashing but after patches works flawlessly
14:40 flats speaking FACTS!!
I don't understand how Microsoft is always ahead of the game sometimes of their own peril sometimes. If gaming follows the trend of movies and music, then everyone is going to be defaulting to the subscription services as game prices increase.
lmao, Dragon Age: Veilguard was such a flop that every writer was fired, almost everyone who touched it was laid off, and Bioware was reduced to from more than 200 employees to less than 100.
But the executives behind the development troubles are still there. So the problem was not solved.
Nah we were trading games at gamestop or the equivalent back then too to justify paying these prices. They don't gotta make physical games anymore and as such that savings should be passed onto the consumer. If anything consumers have shown they prefer indie games over AAA at this point.
I never actually buy any games over 30€. I just can't afford a higher pricetag right now. Even GTA V I got when it was on sale for like 15€. Most of the time I pirate the games and if I like the gameplay once a sale comes up I buy the game on steam for automatic updates and cloudsave service and transfer my savegame from the pirated version.
Paid 100 for the new Atlas game, worth every cent. Paid 80 bucks for DAV, I regret it to no end. I dont mind paying for quality. But thats the thing, we are now paying so much for sub-par games. Some of my most played games are indi games that all cost under 40 bucks. Most games are also digital now, and so the company doesnt need to pay for logistics to ship items and to make them.
There’s very few games where I said, “I think I’d pay $80 for this game.” I’m reluctant most of the time because the quality of most AAA games has been shlop lately. Since I haven’t played the game yet it’s hard to invest that much money in it before I haven’t even acquired it.
In canada, most tripple a games are already 100 dollars with tax. Hard to justify buying games full price nowadays.
The younger generation of gamers are 100% the reason why the gaming industry has crashed.
The fact that really irks me when marketing heads (that's what a publicly-held company's publishing boss is, a business/marketing suit) ignore it is - GTA 6 will get people to pay $80 because it is something you buy only once every ten years. Sure, some bosses have proven that they can waste up to ten years of multiple studios' time making a terrible, trend-chasing sequel, too, but what they don't get is that the annual releases of Madden or CoD *aren't* worth $60 every year, and haven't been since maybe the early 2000s.
People only pay for those because the most casual of gamers are also the most susceptible to lock-in. They only want to play with their friends, or have the official licensed players, so they only have one game they can play. Their more experienced gamer friends - the ones most likely to jump ship for a competitor - probably didn't even pay full price, but casuals will be the ones to acidentally pay it because they don't know about regular sale pricing. So everyone from casuals to hardcores can buy GTA 6 for whatever they ask, knowing that they'll be playing it for years and years, in all likelihood.
The majority of "AAA" titles these days are literal shovelware. With even half-assed competition they'd be worth all of $1, which is why FPS sales are so much less predictable than that of licensed sports games or handful of truly unique IPs that actually stay true to their brand. The former give players literally no other choice, and the latter are generation-defining events - because they literally come out no more than twice a generation.
Id love to see an explanation why indie games can cost so low compared to most other games when they sell so many less copies aswell
So i have honestly bought 1 game and thats Elden Ring. And 2 years later ive been trying to grow a channel around it. And soon thr next game im going to buy is Monster Hunter Wilds. The right game will be worth the price!!
As someone living in a 3rd world country pirating games is kinda my only option cuz there is no regional pricing and a single game is worth a week of groceries
minimum wage aint increased, who the fuck's gonna buy a 100 dollar game
If you are only working for minimum wage as an adult that's your own fault for not having a skill. Minimum wage shouldn't even exist. All it does is cause inflation (we can see it over the course of the 40something minimum wage hikes).
Even as an adult, i only buy games when there is sale or if its an indie game that has the love and support. Most AAA games feel way too cookie cutter to feel worth. The exception to this was Balders Gate.
Why does GTA6 need too be 100$ when they're gonna make a zazillion dollars from the online microtransactions
I’ve had a theory that gta 6 will goto a subscription model. Probably pay for monthly access with “bonus rewards”
Bottom line is, games are easier to make so the price shouldn't rise equally, as well as games are a lot more accessible so they sell a lot more copies. 60 is where it should still be at.
Yep. Much easier. It's why you see so many indie games whereas even 10 years ago there were far few independently created/published games.
As far as prices go, games continue to make more money. I don't know about recently, but over time the sales money has been constantly going up. Two reasons:
1. Volume. Games are easier to make and more accessible than ever.
2. Microtransactions. Even full priced games often have cosmetics for an extra $10-$20.
The $50-$60-$70 is largely inconsequential. Raising prices from $50-$60 to $70 won't result in a 10-20% increase in profit because of microtransactions. It'll be a few percent at most.
It's actually significantly cheaper to make a game than ever with paid and free open source engines. The thing causing games to be more expensive is bigger production values. More artists for better looking visuals, CGI, big celeb voice actors. None of that stuff is actually even needed to make a fun game.
I live in a third world country and im not buying 100$ game, that's a lot of money.
The price thing is not so clear. The low price also helps sell more overall. Not only nerdy dudes in their basement game anymore. Ots main stream. Casual gamers wont buy games at 100$ and more they wont get enough enjoyment out of it for the price.
I think the best way to increase prices effectively is to have quality checks for each video game that releases… just like you would do with food products for example. When you buy groceries there’s different tiers of quality and the prices reflect that… video games should have more regulations for quality control
Fr Sims devs brainwashed it's community into buying DLC that should have been in base game by the time it got to sims 4, it's like COD paywalling NukeTown and do it every game no transfer over, always have to buy nuketown if you wanna play it, that's what other companies trying to recreate now
@@TFoxhound
Yep, it's insane that people still think that devs and publishers don't just take out already made content or recycle content to just repackage later as "DLC". We've seen proof of this with on-disk DLC in the past. These giant corpos just hope that the new generation don't find out and that everyone else forgets.
7:03 flats just gave us a small snippet into his life, and we almost didn’t notice it. The man was that one friend that slowly transitioned into being a hermit at the house. That went out with his friends lesson and less. And he clearly did not pick up on the fact that his friends were noticing that and using this excuse as a way to get him out of the house and back with his friends. Fortunately, for him, he was able to turn it into a very profitable career. But that is sadly not the case for a lot of people. Usually, they just turn into a hermit and stay inside the house and end up losing all of their relationships in favor of being at home. I just thought it was funny because he didn’t notice that’s what they were doing. And instead, he thought that they were insulting him, and it made him irritable. I hope he still is in contact with some of those friends today.
Bro i think you’re reading way too deep wtf
@ i am the son of a psychiatrist. Shit has been baked into me since four years old.😅😅😅
Lowkey correct. Streaming saved this man.
As a long time Rust player my view on microtransactions also changed. Rust csgo league of legends fortnight. they are doing it right. cosmetic skins is the way.
47:09 THAT SQUACK 😂😂😂
Your time stamp is a bit late
With piracy, the convenience factor is so true. I have watched movies or shows that I have legal access to through a streaming service through piracy just because it is more convenient to find or has fewer ads (SkyGo please stop showing the same 5 ads on repeat, you drive me insane when binge-watching). It's just much easier to not fuss around and go straight to piracy. But then you look at music where almost everything is on one platform. Or PC games where most games are on Steam at a reasonable cost, or you know sales are regular enough. I have no desire to pirate when there is an equally convenient and reasonably attainable legal way.
Putting games above $100 will probably make them no longer reasonably attainable, even just for the simple reason that the change in the order of magnitude makes the price feel a lot more significant.
Don't think it's your type, but hi fi rush was amazing. It got killed off by its parent company, was never given a chance
Indie games have been my choice lately & waiting a year or 2 for a bigger game to go on sale for 50% off.
I've spent a total of $5 on OW2 after 1500hrs no matter how many times they tempted me to get a skin I really wanted I bought a cheap game instead.
BO6 was the first $70 game I've bought because I haven't played the game since BO2, the game before that was Helldivers 2 on release, then Horizon Zero Dawn/Doom when they had a massive sale.
I really like to make the most out of the games I have, at least dumping 1k hours minimum before I drop them & throughout the years I actually have a backlog of games I need to no life before I buy another game. It sucks missing out on games friends are picking up that I'm interested in BUT I'm glad I've saved more for just waiting.
53:30
Ive been sailing the seven seas for over a decade now; i know these waters and all the storms that come with it. Come follow me in my ship...
The higher ups want infinite financial growth in the games industry. The obvious problem is people do not have infinite disposable income.
I will boycott the shit out of any game that wants to charge me anything over $70.
I was born in 1998 Im 26 years old and Im a zoomer. I dont think he realizes how old were all getting
I think we're gonna see $100 GTA6, and it will probably be worth it for most people. Then we'll see a ton of companies try to price games at $100 and they'll just not be worth it. Then, after a couple years, we'll settle at a point of really great games being priced at $100 while the majority being $70-80.
It's possibly this will also lead to companies trying to put enough in their game to make it worth $100, and possibly get rid of the battle pass.
13:50 that is me and my friends with the new civ 7 game coming out at 70 dollors this month we are excited to play it but we are willing to wait until it is on sale just as much if not more
I actually think GTA 6 might be only $60-$70, because the statistics take two got during GTA 5 was basically saying they make a shit ton more money on microtransactions for GTA online which is also why there were so many sales on gta5 and the online only edition or giving the game away for free in recent years.
So even if they reasonably can raise the price to $100 if they leave it at $60-$70 they will have a lower entry barrier to the game and then get more microtransaction revenue. The alternative is that they will make two versions, one with campaign and one with online only but I doubt they will do that on launch, they will probably wait to release that so that they can farm full priced sales at the start
Okay here’s the thing I’m okay with $70 but I’m not okay with suddenly adjusting for all the years of inflation. They should have been slowly raising the price like everything else. Also other things like gas fluctuate in price and could go back down once they go up video games will never go down
Everyone talking about $100 games, then there's us, outside the US preparing to fork out nearly $200. How's that for a cultural number for ya
The thing about Twitch vs RUclips chat difference is real, especially around cultivation of both.
In general, when I comment in a Twitch chat, could be any streamer chat, someone else from chat will reply to me. When I do the same in any YT stream chat, 9/10 times there is zero response because its basically all lurkers, and usually the stream chat itself just hasn't been cultivated and is just a mix of people going "oh this person is actually streaming on YT? Let me check their content real quick", rather than it being an active stream event people are seeking out/tuning into with the express purpose of being part of that stream.
I think that has just to do with the nature of the platforms. YT is about long form pre recorded content and comments, not real time streaming and chatting. Twitch is the opposite. Is what it is.
Good single player games absolutely can have some serious legs. Skyrim has been getting more popular with time.
Cost of the game needs to = quality of the gaming experience. For 100 it would need to be a good experience and not a slop
But which game would you pay $70 let alone $100? No blizzard game, COD, Ubisoft or EA games is worth that. Only games like the next Elden Ring, GTA 6, Baldur's gate, Persona, God of War but these are like pinnacle of videogames. Maybe just maybe if Nintendo delivered a all out open world esque Pokemon, a bigger more flushed out Animal Crossing or another mario Odyssey maybe just maybe I can see spending $70 but $100 is crazy lol.
$100 games are a terrible price point. That is EITHER half the price of the lowest tier current gen console, or 1/5 the price of one, which is ALSO terrible.
For PC, you can probably bypass it with getting it cheaper from key sites from a different region and finagling with account sharing, etc.
The only game I still think of playing out of all these is xdefiant
Is this the same guy who equated the entirety of OW2 to shop skins?
I only buy games on sale for years now 14:08 Last game I paid full price for was Battlefield 2142.
They say this but games back then didn’t have 700 30$ micro transactions if a game has no micro transactions 100 is justified but we all know that’s a pipe dream
in order for me to even CONSIDER playing a game 100$ or more, it would need to have INSANE amounts of content, INSANE levels of replayability, and manage to keep my attention the entire time and not lose interest in it. (imo, graphics don't actually matter much, if a game is good enough, id take super mario world 16 bit graphics over the last of us levels of graphics)
current era of gaming can barely accomplish two of these at once. gta COULD reach that level, but game devs need to realize hiking up prices means the product needs to MATCH that price, and people are currently in the mindset that most triple a games are not worth the pricing, even though double A or indie games easily clear the current pricing, so theres a definitive benchmark that needs to be met, that simply put, ISNT being met.
If BG3 was an exception for quality and content density, then so is GTA for its price.
GTA is allowed to be $100 because of its history of making great, content rich games. You dont GET to just release a $100 game because "oh well the other kids are doing it" You NEED to back that price tag in a BIG way.
Ill give you an example. Imagine an indie developer decided that "hey, my game isnt of the quality of what AAA games used to be, but all of the other guys are selling their things for $100 now, so ill sell mine for $60 instead of $30 or $25" would you be okay with that? Hell. no. Not in a million years, not unless that Indie game ACTUALLY backed up its price increase with content.
For the price of AAA games to go up to somewhere around $100, there needs to be assurances, promises that are made and kept by EVERY AAA dev on the market. Promises that, according to history, will never be kept.
Its all a matter of trust. time and time again game developers big and small have burned its audience with little to no repercussion. and this time is no different.
Does anyone TRULY believe without a shadow of a doubt that the extra $40 price hike from $60 to $100 will go to making the product better? even a little bit?
Because i sure dont. The ONLY place that extra $40 goes is into the pockets of people who didnt even work on the game in a meaningful way, hell I would be fine with it if there were legal assurances that those extra $40 actually went to the devs (individuals) that worked on the game. Not the CEO or investors.
Ill pay more for new AAA games but thats going to bring my total purchases of high end games per year from like 2 or 3, to 1.
Flats brought the growth he got because of TikTok and I can say, the first place I saw your content was on YT Shorts.
If gta 6 becomes 100 bucks - rockstar will lose so much players who would spend a lot on the online part of the game. Game publishers need to realize that making games less and actually experiment is almost always better then 4K realistic graphics with perfect hair physics with poor gameplay since all the budget went somewhere else.
Video games are cheap though… as someone who didn’t really have money growing up I just learned to optimize playing (never made a micro transaction ever). Think about it this way. You buy a movie theater ticket for 10-20 bucks. Movies are about 2.5-3hrs nowadays. That puts the cost per hour at 4-6.5$/hr. According to google the average game has about 40hrs of content. At 60$ that puts the cost per hour at 1.5$/hr. Which is drastically less expensive than movies in theaters.
Now I’m not saying I want video games to be more expensive. But, I am saying that I don’t think it’s a massive issue.
Also if people had to pay more per game it would make them cherish those games more and make them care more. If people had to save to buy a game they want I think it would be beneficial for society as well. We did it as kids (saving money to get the games we want) why can’t we do it now?