Excellent video I grew up going to BYU football games with my dad who was part of the Cougar Club so he had season tickets for a number of seasons. As a kid I used to watch the 1980/81 BYU Sports highlights which had the Miracle Bowl which i played over and over in the backyard, it also had Danny Ainge's coast to coast layup to beat Notre Dame in the NCAA Tournament. Needless to say I wore that Vhs tape out. My uncle was a member of BYU'S 1966 NIT Championship team that beat Army coached by 25 year old Bobby Knight, my uncle stole the ball and scored the winning layup to help The Cougars advance to the NIT Championship where they beat NYU 97-84. Back in 1966 the NIT AND NCAA tournament were equal in prestige. Keep up the good work
@@MonsturoCapone801 me too bro, my pops had season tickets to BYU for several years, I went to almost every home game in the mid 2000’s. Funny you mention Bobby Knight too, I did an entire video on him, but RUclips took it down for some unknown reason.
@@MonsturoCapone801 Also, if you’re interested in BYU sports- I’ll be doing BYU sports history on my new second channel LaVell’s Ghost, if you can’t find it type in @LaVellsGhost
@@BD-1-And-Only Right on brother ya my first BYU football game was when they played Pitt and remember vividly Craig "Ironhead" Heyward taking the handoff getting around the corner and gone 80 yards for the TD nobody could catch him and he was 250-260 Lbs at the time. I was at the Miami game and more. My uncle Jim Jimas #25 is the man that sent Bobby Knight into a tirade that night. Knight ranted about Dick Nemelka being dirty lol. Many great memories at Cougar Stadium, my dad and I used to say if they filled in the corners of the stadium they could sit a 100,000 fans plus easy do to they already had 65-66,000 seats.
@@BD-1-And-Only I watched Marshall Faulk run for 299 yards and 4 TDS I believe. That offense was so much fun to watch especially when Detmer was there. I always felt that BYU screwed up when Norm Chow wasn't Lavell's immediate successor after he retired. Chow could recruit, he was the offensive genius. I think if Chow would have been the head coach that maybe Kyle whittingham would have been the D coordinator then Chow's successor. Just a theory of mine
I watched that Liberty Bowl game live on tv. It really was a great comeback. I was rooting for the ponies, but I cannot deny that that was a great comeback. McMahon was a great QB. I also saw Craig James play in the Texas High School state championship game in person. I was for the losing side there, too.😂
It's kind of funny how they kept getting caught. In the 30 for 30 they basically said the boosters had agreed to stop but wouldn't stop paying the current roster because they had a payroll to meet. Honor among thieves 😂
I remember reading elsewhere that the formation of thle AFL set off the chain of events that eventually led to the demise of the South West Conference. Basically, prior to the 1960 birth of the AFL, there was relative parity between the small private schools located in and around Dallas and Houston, and the larger public schools - and there was no pro football in Texas. Then, the AFL formed and put the Texans in Dallas and Oilers in Houston, and the NFL countered that by putting the Cowboys in Dallas. Almost overnight, the private schools around Dallas and Houston saw their fanbases shrink, and their game attendance drop (ticket sales were a much bigger portion of a football program's total revenue than it is today). This caused them to fall behind their large public conference mates, which caused resentment among the public schools who began to see the private schools as anchors dragging them down, which in turn caused the private schools to get desperate and turn more and more to rule breaking to get top players who otherwise wouldn't consider them, which caused the public schools to up their own rule breaking in response, which eventually led to almost the entire conference being on NCAA probation at the same time, which forbade them from appearing on TV, made the money problems worse, which led to everyone who could wanting to get out of an acient conference that had become a laughingstock among the rest of college football.
They did not earn it back. They are not relevant as they think or think they were. BYU did not earn the right to be added to a Power Conference either. BYU has put in more effort and work but still short on being legit addition to Big12 as did not earn it. Now SMU bought their way back into a Powerhouse Conference but did not earn it at all.
As a lifelong SMU fan who went through the worst of times, I truly feel awful about what happened to Bobby Collins. He was just an old fashioned football coach who famously said “you get me the player and I’ll coach him up”. He stepped into a world he just didn’t understand and he was scapegoated for doing nothing about the scandal. Really, what could he possibly have done? This scandal went right to the top and he was powerless to stop anything.
I grew up next door to Bobby Collins when he was an assistant at UNC. One of the most decent men I’ve known and a terrific coach. There’s never been a suggestion of anything contrary to that impression before or after SMU. It was an extremely dirty program when he arrived. At a time when all DI programs were very dirty. And I’ve never seen a bit of evidence that he did anything untoward. My understanding is that the boosters were scumbags. Even more scummy than all the other DI programs. Perhaps you’re right about him, but perhaps, and I think more likely, you’ve besmirched a man much more honorable than you could aspire to be. And the odd reference to Hattiesburg is odd as Coach Collins was an alum and a very successful head coach there for years (after moving away from the house next to mine). After his SMU stint he spent the rest of his life volunteering at Southern Miss.. Because he was an extremely decent man. RIP Coach.
@@BD-1-And-Only wow, you got to Hitler fast. You didn’t refer to a single thing that he did but said quite directly that the payments to recruits continued. It seems clear that Meyer was directly involved and it’s clear that Bobby Collins didn’t end it. I watched your video thinking that perhaps I could learn something and just watching casually for a while I know much more than you could report. Not Hitler. If you bothered to do some journalism I could call it yellow journalism. I’m pretty sure I acted like that.
@@420bengalfan indeed. I can actually talk about my own college football stories and my time coaching in High School and I can talk about the wonderful people I know through relationships I’ve developed in football. People at parties find me decent and thoughtful. You should try it. And losing that Hitler move might really help a bunch.
In the end, after what the _death penalty_ effectively did to the Southwestern Conference, the NCAA had to be extremely judicious in imposing such a penalty again. The banning of SMU pretty much destroyed the SWC, leading the the creation of the modern Big 12 Conference mentioned in the video. That's why I think with the Jerry Sandusky scandal at Penn State, all sides worked very diligently to avoid the second imposition of the death penalty on a major college football program. That's why Joe Paterno was quickly fired and there were massive changes to the staff at Penn State football, changes that led to a revival of the program a few years after the scandal.
@@Sacto1654 Yeah crazy that the NCAA melts down over players getting paid, but they’re cool with a chomo working at one of their member institutions. The NCAA is so slimy, but that’s more of an insult to slime
@@BD-1-And-Only The story of Jerry Sandusky's misdeeds is a long one, right from the time he was hired as a defensive coach at Penn State. Stories started to come out about Sandusky's strange behavior around young boys, but the story was heavily hushed up for _years_ . That long history of inappropriate behavior was the very reason why the NCAA again seriously considered the _death penalty_ , but given that the _death penalty_ could have seriously damaged the reputation of the Big Ten conference, small wonder why the issue was quickly settled, even though it very noisy and controversial.
On SMU's first year back (which was also a year that the Dallas Cowboys were truly abysmal), the following joke circulated: A: Have you heard that SMU is playing Dallas this weekend? B: No, I hadn't. Why? A: The Cowboys need the practice, and the 'Stangs need the win.
The NCAA did not kill the SMU football program. That's equivalent to saying the legal system ruined a man's life only after he was caught running a highly profitable drug ring not once but 3 times. SMU, as well as all other universities, knew what tne rules were. Several people involved with the program chose to ignore the rules. The consequences were harsh but very easily could have been avoided had a few people been humble enough to say to others let's not try to attain success by going against the rules. Since, 1989 SMU has suffered as a program because people involved with the program chose to ignore putting money into the most needed areas such as facilities, coaches salaries, and program marketing. In 2024, SMU chose to give away broadcasting rights to the ACC for FREE. One of the main sources of income for every college athletic department is being ignored because SMU CHOSE to join a conference that didn't truly want them. Had the ACC really wanted SMU they wouldn't have taken advantage of their football broadcasting rights for the next 9 years. So it's very easy to understand that SMU has been the only culprit in killing SMU football.
@@davidemmons4670 for what purpose? Alabama's program survived and thrived even with being sanctioned in the late '90s and mid 2000s. Everyone wants to claim Alabama always pays players but at least they seem to have been smart enough about it to not get caught. SMU kept paying players in the same fashion basically ignoring the NCAA violations they had already committed. They did it to themselves.
@@geraldframinghammer2626 As a small RUclipsr, I face a similar dilemma. I could pay for fake views & subscribers, I guess I choose not to because I want my success to be authentic. As Lil Wayne said “Real G’s move in silence”.
@@TheNostalgiaFiend when they got their first probation, that was the perfect opportunity to stop. Obviously they would have went back to being bad, but at least they wouldn’t be irrelevant for 30+ years. Also, I’m just gonna say it. Ron Meyer was a terrible coach, but a hell of a salesman.
@@BD-1-And-Only they had built a foundation. They weren't left in the conference dust yet. The initial punishment wasn't bad at all. They could be better than a team who regularly finishes 1-11. Half of the population doesn't even know they're from Texas now..
13:45 you pronounced Dale incorrectly… it sounded like Dell… the Ale in “Dale” Is pronounced as It is spelt, Long A L Silent E. 19:37 the pronunciation of Hattie in Hattiesburg is H short A double t Double long E, plus a regular S, and ending with Burg as in Burger.
I gotta pause you right there. Maholmes did not turn KC around. They were already a very good team. They just couldn't beat Tom Brady, with or without Maholmes. Tom Brady did not turn around the Patriots. They were having a great year when he took over. Ok carry on.
Great story, but repeating that they ran a dirty program is ridiculous. EVERYBODY RAN A DIRTY PROGRAM BACK THEN!!!! The difference is, SMU was not Oklahoma or Nebraska or Texas, schools that have established championship pedigrees, they weren't in "The Club". And the other schools (their money people) went after them.
But to say “all teams ran dirty programs back then” is a claim without basis. Unless you have footage of the players admitting that they were paid or the boosters boasting about paying the players then it’s baseless allegations. And no team in history had ever received the “death penalty” so I’m glad he kept repeating how they ran a “dirty program”
Excellent video I grew up going to BYU football games with my dad who was part of the Cougar Club so he had season tickets for a number of seasons. As a kid I used to watch the 1980/81 BYU Sports highlights which had the Miracle Bowl which i played over and over in the backyard, it also had Danny Ainge's coast to coast layup to beat Notre Dame in the NCAA Tournament. Needless to say I wore that Vhs tape out. My uncle was a member of BYU'S 1966 NIT Championship team that beat Army coached by 25 year old Bobby Knight, my uncle stole the ball and scored the winning layup to help The Cougars advance to the NIT Championship where they beat NYU 97-84. Back in 1966 the NIT AND NCAA tournament were equal in prestige. Keep up the good work
@@MonsturoCapone801 me too bro, my pops had season tickets to BYU for several years, I went to almost every home game in the mid 2000’s. Funny you mention Bobby Knight too, I did an entire video on him, but RUclips took it down for some unknown reason.
@@MonsturoCapone801 Also, if you’re interested in BYU sports- I’ll be doing BYU sports history on my new second channel LaVell’s Ghost, if you can’t find it type in @LaVellsGhost
@@BD-1-And-Only Right on brother ya my first BYU football game was when they played Pitt and remember vividly Craig "Ironhead" Heyward taking the handoff getting around the corner and gone 80 yards for the TD nobody could catch him and he was 250-260 Lbs at the time. I was at the Miami game and more. My uncle Jim Jimas #25 is the man that sent Bobby Knight into a tirade that night. Knight ranted about Dick Nemelka being dirty lol. Many great memories at Cougar Stadium, my dad and I used to say if they filled in the corners of the stadium they could sit a 100,000 fans plus easy do to they already had 65-66,000 seats.
@@BD-1-And-Only I watched Marshall Faulk run for 299 yards and 4 TDS I believe. That offense was so much fun to watch especially when Detmer was there. I always felt that BYU screwed up when Norm Chow wasn't Lavell's immediate successor after he retired. Chow could recruit, he was the offensive genius. I think if Chow would have been the head coach that maybe Kyle whittingham would have been the D coordinator then Chow's successor. Just a theory of mine
I watched that Liberty Bowl game live on tv. It really was a great comeback. I was rooting for the ponies, but I cannot deny that that was a great comeback. McMahon was a great QB.
I also saw Craig James play in the Texas High School state championship game in person. I was for the losing side there, too.😂
It's kind of funny how they kept getting caught. In the 30 for 30 they basically said the boosters had agreed to stop but wouldn't stop paying the current roster because they had a payroll to meet. Honor among thieves 😂
That was the name of a book: A Payroll to Meet
I remember reading elsewhere that the formation of thle AFL set off the chain of events that eventually led to the demise of the South West Conference. Basically, prior to the 1960 birth of the AFL, there was relative parity between the small private schools located in and around Dallas and Houston, and the larger public schools - and there was no pro football in Texas. Then, the AFL formed and put the Texans in Dallas and Oilers in Houston, and the NFL countered that by putting the Cowboys in Dallas. Almost overnight, the private schools around Dallas and Houston saw their fanbases shrink, and their game attendance drop (ticket sales were a much bigger portion of a football program's total revenue than it is today). This caused them to fall behind their large public conference mates, which caused resentment among the public schools who began to see the private schools as anchors dragging them down, which in turn caused the private schools to get desperate and turn more and more to rule breaking to get top players who otherwise wouldn't consider them, which caused the public schools to up their own rule breaking in response, which eventually led to almost the entire conference being on NCAA probation at the same time, which forbade them from appearing on TV, made the money problems worse, which led to everyone who could wanting to get out of an acient conference that had become a laughingstock among the rest of college football.
Hopefully Texit will reform the SWC
It took 40 years but SMU is finally pretty good and in a power 4 conference
They did not earn it back. They are not relevant as they think or think they were. BYU did not earn the right to be added to a Power Conference either. BYU has put in more effort and work but still short on being legit addition to Big12 as did not earn it. Now SMU bought their way back into a Powerhouse Conference but did not earn it at all.
Nobody cares @@michaelwall3393
acc wont be a power 4 for long once fsu and clemson leaves and smu gets no tv money
@@michaelwall3393 Hey bro. You sound really salty but I know you secretly love us. Salt & sugar look the same baby
@@420bengalfan I’ve heard that and I could see it being true, but the ACC will probably poach Tulane and Memphis
As a lifelong SMU fan who went through the worst of times, I truly feel awful about what happened to Bobby Collins.
He was just an old fashioned football coach who famously said “you get me the player and I’ll coach him up”.
He stepped into a world he just didn’t understand and he was scapegoated for doing nothing about the scandal. Really, what could he possibly have done?
This scandal went right to the top and he was powerless to stop anything.
Great vid..my favorite part was your BYu glaze 😂😂 ayooo pause love from🇭🇹
@@Kwame0007 I always glaze my Cougars any chance I get😂
@@BD-1-And-Only great vid nonetheless I’m on your channel rn currently watching when globetrotters lost..interesting !
Facts I live in Provo and could never glaze the mid cougars
@@darnellpowell6212 😂😂😂😂
I grew up next door to Bobby Collins when he was an assistant at UNC. One of the most decent men I’ve known and a terrific coach. There’s never been a suggestion of anything contrary to that impression before or after SMU. It was an extremely dirty program when he arrived. At a time when all DI programs were very dirty. And I’ve never seen a bit of evidence that he did anything untoward. My understanding is that the boosters were scumbags. Even more scummy than all the other DI programs. Perhaps you’re right about him, but perhaps, and I think more likely, you’ve besmirched a man much more honorable than you could aspire to be.
And the odd reference to Hattiesburg is odd as Coach Collins was an alum and a very successful head coach there for years (after moving away from the house next to mine). After his SMU stint he spent the rest of his life volunteering at Southern Miss..
Because he was an extremely decent man.
RIP Coach.
@@johnomelia2991 I don’t know why you think I besmirched him😂 I just reported the facts. You act like I called him worse than Hitler😂
@@BD-1-And-Only wow, you got to Hitler fast. You didn’t refer to a single thing that he did but said quite directly that the payments to recruits continued. It seems clear that Meyer was directly involved and it’s clear that Bobby Collins didn’t end it. I watched your video thinking that perhaps I could learn something and just watching casually for a while I know much more than you could report. Not Hitler. If you bothered to do some journalism I could call it yellow journalism. I’m pretty sure I acted like that.
i bet you have a lot of friends and sound fun at parties
@@420bengalfan indeed. I can actually talk about my own college football stories and my time coaching in High School and I can talk about the wonderful people I know through relationships I’ve developed in football. People at parties find me decent and thoughtful. You should try it. And losing that Hitler move might really help a bunch.
@@johnomelia2991 never mentioned hitler once again you sound like you are fun
Good work man
@@ease-l5330 ayye appreciate it big dawg
In the end, after what the _death penalty_ effectively did to the Southwestern Conference, the NCAA had to be extremely judicious in imposing such a penalty again. The banning of SMU pretty much destroyed the SWC, leading the the creation of the modern Big 12 Conference mentioned in the video.
That's why I think with the Jerry Sandusky scandal at Penn State, all sides worked very diligently to avoid the second imposition of the death penalty on a major college football program. That's why Joe Paterno was quickly fired and there were massive changes to the staff at Penn State football, changes that led to a revival of the program a few years after the scandal.
@@Sacto1654 Yeah crazy that the NCAA melts down over players getting paid, but they’re cool with a chomo working at one of their member institutions. The NCAA is so slimy, but that’s more of an insult to slime
@@BD-1-And-Only The story of Jerry Sandusky's misdeeds is a long one, right from the time he was hired as a defensive coach at Penn State. Stories started to come out about Sandusky's strange behavior around young boys, but the story was heavily hushed up for _years_ . That long history of inappropriate behavior was the very reason why the NCAA again seriously considered the _death penalty_ , but given that the _death penalty_ could have seriously damaged the reputation of the Big Ten conference, small wonder why the issue was quickly settled, even though it very noisy and controversial.
On SMU's first year back (which was also a year that the Dallas Cowboys were truly abysmal), the following joke circulated:
A: Have you heard that SMU is playing Dallas this weekend?
B: No, I hadn't. Why?
A: The Cowboys need the practice, and the 'Stangs need the win.
Lance McIlhenny (Mac-ill-hey-knee) was the QB.
Seeing the cheerleaders join the dog pile at 14 min is pretty wild haha
The NCAA did not kill the SMU football program. That's equivalent to saying the legal system ruined a man's life only after he was caught running a highly profitable drug ring not once but 3 times. SMU, as well as all other universities, knew what tne rules were. Several people involved with the program chose to ignore the rules. The consequences were harsh but very easily could have been avoided had a few people been humble enough to say to others let's not try to attain success by going against the rules. Since, 1989 SMU has suffered as a program because people involved with the program chose to ignore putting money into the most needed areas such as facilities, coaches salaries, and program marketing. In 2024, SMU chose to give away broadcasting rights to the ACC for FREE. One of the main sources of income for every college athletic department is being ignored because SMU CHOSE to join a conference that didn't truly want them. Had the ACC really wanted SMU they wouldn't have taken advantage of their football broadcasting rights for the next 9 years.
So it's very easy to understand that SMU has been the only culprit in killing SMU football.
Say that to Alabama
@@davidemmons4670 for what purpose? Alabama's program survived and thrived even with being sanctioned in the late '90s and mid 2000s. Everyone wants to claim Alabama always pays players but at least they seem to have been smart enough about it to not get caught. SMU kept paying players in the same fashion basically ignoring the NCAA violations they had already committed. They did it to themselves.
Ahhh yes the original sin of cheating too publicly
@@isaacrubin9291 And cheating too openly. Just like Icarus, they flew too close to the sun.
SMU is actually not a religious school. It's secular.
Lol it's funny how basically their paying players right now
I'm sure he was doing exactly what everybody else did back then. I guess the price of success passes through greasy palms. Doesn't make it right.
@@geraldframinghammer2626 As a small RUclipsr, I face a similar dilemma. I could pay for fake views & subscribers, I guess I choose not to because I want my success to be authentic. As Lil Wayne said “Real G’s move in silence”.
@BD-1-And-Only It's a killer vid, friend. I appreciate the subject content. You got a subscribe out of me. Keep it up.
Christian college cheating seems much worse.
They shouldn't have kept on paying guys under table... after they found out the first time...
@@TheNostalgiaFiend when they got their first probation, that was the perfect opportunity to stop. Obviously they would have went back to being bad, but at least they wouldn’t be irrelevant for 30+ years. Also, I’m just gonna say it. Ron Meyer was a terrible coach, but a hell of a salesman.
@@BD-1-And-Only they had built a foundation. They weren't left in the conference dust yet. The initial punishment wasn't bad at all. They could be better than a team who regularly finishes 1-11. Half of the population doesn't even know they're from Texas now..
13:45 you pronounced Dale incorrectly… it sounded like Dell… the Ale in “Dale” Is pronounced as It is spelt, Long A L Silent E.
19:37 the pronunciation of Hattie in Hattiesburg is H short A double t Double long E, plus a regular S, and ending with Burg as in Burger.
“Dale” and “Dell” are somehow different now? What’s next? Hi and high are pronounced differently?
In your comment you pronounced “the” wrong. It’s actually “the”. 🤣🤣
Alabama and every major sec school was doing this and the league allowed them. Cough cough Alabama
@@davidemmons4670 Obviously doing it better cuz they ain’t get caught lol
I gotta pause you right there. Maholmes did not turn KC around. They were already a very good team. They just couldn't beat Tom Brady, with or without Maholmes. Tom Brady did not turn around the Patriots. They were having a great year when he took over. Ok carry on.
@@t-sports6773 Bruh they were no where near Super Bowl contenders with Alex Smith at QB, be for real 😂 but i appreciate the view
Great story, but repeating that they ran a dirty program is ridiculous. EVERYBODY RAN A DIRTY PROGRAM BACK THEN!!!! The difference is, SMU was not Oklahoma or Nebraska or Texas, schools that have established championship pedigrees, they weren't in "The Club". And the other schools (their money people) went after them.
smu was cheating more than everyone else and got caught time and time again and wouldnt stop
@@didierlabossiere4726 I literally said that in the video though haha
But to say “all teams ran dirty programs back then” is a claim without basis. Unless you have footage of the players admitting that they were paid or the boosters boasting about paying the players then it’s baseless allegations. And no team in history had ever received the “death penalty” so I’m glad he kept repeating how they ran a “dirty program”
It’s been 40 years. Let it go. Get a life. Every football program paid players. I know someone playing Division III golf who was being paid.
28-3 comeback bettah.
@@TitleTalkTCL You trippin😂
@@BD-1-And-Only I just had to throw it in there you get it lmao nice video I really enjoyed it.