As djgaiden said, once you're doing f, n, qcf, n, qcf to do your wavedash, you only need to tap f once to get an ff attack, as it "stacks" with the last input of your wavedash. Conversely, if you do tap ff after wavedash you can get a WR attack, so you can fff3 out of wavedash
This is super helpful my friend, I was stuck at Shinryu a few days ago, and I think I intuitively figured out that point you made about starting your mixups at less predictable times, especially when the opponent is expecting a counterpoke. Climbed to Mighty Ruler and almost Flame Ruler in like 5 days!
@@SolusFather will try . i really needed this for my kaz especially for ws 1+2 mixups . should i need not to input F by wavedashing to cancel it with b after 3 4 frames ??
@@SolusFather phuck youuu DUDEE!! THANK YOU SO MUCH bro THANK U THANKU THAN ku i dont know how to return you the favour . and sorry for my bad english -_-
@@SolusFatherhow are your wave dashes so clean😭?. Especially into ws2? I just got to tk with Devil jin and I’m just getting my ass whipped left to right
Same I'm a reina main and her mix ups are what have me at battle ruler, it's really good if you can read your opponent well and execute the move consistently
Yes I think he’s very different compared to the other mishimas. He has a lot of other tools you have to utilize such as zen cancels, uf2, f4 and he is obviously very poke oriented (which is why I’m not so good with him lol). You definitely can’t play Jin the same way you would play kazuya or devil jin imo.
If u playing kaz and u are facing a new oponent . The first 50 50 always go mid people are obessed with ducking kaz Also devil jin is a joke compared to kaz no offense
Can't thank you enough for detailing those things, for some years I had to "try for myself" those concepts without anybody helping. I have a question related to electrics, as a Kazuya main (intermediate at the most) I see lots of Kaz players just not using electrics if not to hard punish, this is because at my level (red to purple) it's more efficienty or it's just we are not using it right? I remeber in Tekken 7 there were lots of electrics going on. Thank you for you content! Keep it up!
I've actually took notice to this as well most players aren't utilizing electrics as much back in Tekken 7, I have an electric guide planned next to show how to get the most optimal usage out of it
Kazuya use to get major damage with EWGF in 7 but sadly doesn't get that much in 8. Still an amazing launcher and should be use more. However, when you have other characters being able to do comparable or more damage than you with less execution, its tips the risk of failing an ewgf and getting wgf into danger territory. I would imagine that to be the reason.
That last step is super important. It took me a while to realize I would walk away from a ft2 with no knowledge of my opp patterns. I would just hope they got conditioned
You know it’s all about mind games right? It’s all about timing and not doing it in certain sequences. It’s something you learn over time by playing different match ups. There is no guide on 50/50 besides experience.
Hi. Many thanks for this good vid. Im new to tekken (only played tekken3 arcade 20 years ago as a Child). I have now 500 hours playtime and just hit kishin with Jin and Im still learning proper wavedashing, wavedash in electrics and KBD. I can all this things but still not fast enough and not consistent. Since my timing/movement is not very well Im using other tools Jin offers. Especially in ranked matches I fear to lose matches by trying stuffs Im not yet comfortable with. My question: Should I play more in quick matches to learn using wavedash/EWHF properly before going back into ranked matches, or should I just play and try it out in ranked even if I lose because of that? So far I made only some random tekken friends, which I encountered during my journey. I dont have anyone to play with offline. (I know that a rank is less important than skills. But still Im somehow obsessed to survive the blue ranks and reach Tekken King in the next months. PS: I do not cherrypic and take every rematch.)
Hi. I cant seem to land wavedash into ff2. It only register f2 which is the powet crush. Ty if you answered.
Tap F2 once after the wavedash instead of FF
^This same concept applies to F4. You do FF4 out of wavedash to get F4. The extra F input registers you to leave the wavedash animation.
@@DjGaiden oo isee. Thank for that. Time to upgrade my kazuya gameplay
As djgaiden said, once you're doing f, n, qcf, n, qcf to do your wavedash, you only need to tap f once to get an ff attack, as it "stacks" with the last input of your wavedash. Conversely, if you do tap ff after wavedash you can get a WR attack, so you can fff3 out of wavedash
@@AngeloNeroSparda oo this. I always get my fff3 but ff2 didnt not input. Good to know.
Bro don’t stop with your videos, literally some of the best educational content especially for Mishimas
This is super helpful my friend, I was stuck at Shinryu a few days ago, and I think I intuitively figured out that point you made about starting your mixups at less predictable times, especially when the opponent is expecting a counterpoke. Climbed to Mighty Ruler and almost Flame Ruler in like 5 days!
Please teach this with jin !!!
can you guide me how can i cancel wavedash into ws2 . will appreciate it
I have a guide for it on my channel, I think it'll help
@@SolusFather will try . i really needed this for my kaz especially for ws 1+2 mixups . should i need not to input F by wavedashing to cancel it with b after 3 4 frames ??
@@l2me_b0y2 no you don’t need to input F
@@SolusFather phuck youuu DUDEE!! THANK YOU SO MUCH bro THANK U THANKU THAN ku i dont know how to return you the favour . and sorry for my bad english -_-
because of you my spacing ang patience improved. but idiscipline myself not to throw hellsweep in random
You play on PS5 pad? I prefer it to the PS4 pad. Really great lessons so far!
Yea
@@SolusFatherhow are your wave dashes so clean😭?. Especially into ws2? I just got to tk with Devil jin and I’m just getting my ass whipped left to right
What is this theme name please
Antares devil jins tekken 5 dr theme
doing 50/50 on Kazuya is so much easier than on dvj
Just use ws2 after wave dash is not so hard
@@camilomarchesi1793 Doesn't really work 90% of the time
@@camilomarchesi1793ws2 from wave dash for me isn’t easy, especially after 2-3 wave dashes as he did in this video against the Lee player. Any tips?
@@kennethsmith7990 for me its easy after just one wave dash but after 3-4 wave dash its gets harder lol
Fax man his hellsweep is so amazing, sometimes leading to 70 dmg from wall, i just find DVJ cooler
i play reina and mix ups carried me out of red ranks to purple now lmao. its really every mishimas best tool.
Same I'm a reina main and her mix ups are what have me at battle ruler, it's really good if you can read your opponent well and execute the move consistently
Dope! Do you have any thoughts on how Jin differs from mishimas?
He's nothing different it's just he fights in kazama style.
Yes I think he’s very different compared to the other mishimas. He has a lot of other tools you have to utilize such as zen cancels, uf2, f4 and he is obviously very poke oriented (which is why I’m not so good with him lol). You definitely can’t play Jin the same way you would play kazuya or devil jin imo.
Another Banger!
I have a Mishima related question.
If your wavedashing and back dashing are strong, will that benefit Kazuya or Devil Jin more?
it'll benefit both equally imo. if i had to pick one, it'd probably be kaz since he's a lot less pokey and more reliant on whiff punish.
I think it will benefit them both the same, as for all mishimas, they are heavily reliant on backdashing to create space
If u playing kaz and u are facing a new oponent . The first 50 50 always go mid people are obessed with ducking kaz
Also devil jin is a joke compared to kaz no offense
Can't thank you enough for detailing those things, for some years I had to "try for myself" those concepts without anybody helping. I have a question related to electrics, as a Kazuya main (intermediate at the most) I see lots of Kaz players just not using electrics if not to hard punish, this is because at my level (red to purple) it's more efficienty or it's just we are not using it right?
I remeber in Tekken 7 there were lots of electrics going on.
Thank you for you content! Keep it up!
I've actually took notice to this as well most players aren't utilizing electrics as much back in Tekken 7, I have an electric guide planned next to show how to get the most optimal usage out of it
Kazuya use to get major damage with EWGF in 7 but sadly doesn't get that much in 8. Still an amazing launcher and should be use more. However, when you have other characters being able to do comparable or more damage than you with less execution, its tips the risk of failing an ewgf and getting wgf into danger territory. I would imagine that to be the reason.
Looks like I found a Mishima Sensei. Great video man. You get a like and subscribe from me lol
I’m fucked I can’t even wave dash and I’m a tenryu Dj
One day I’ll make it out of reds, I’m just proud of myself for getting there as a new player and with Djin. Your vids really help me out
That last step is super important. It took me a while to realize I would walk away from a ft2 with no knowledge of my opp patterns. I would just hope they got conditioned
Vocês jogam em controle normal de vídeo game ou em arcade?
You know it’s all about mind games right? It’s all about timing and not doing it in certain sequences. It’s something you learn over time by playing different match ups. There is no guide on 50/50 besides experience.
Yes but I think these tips will still help with people who feel like their 5050s are constantly being read
Stumbled upon your channel yesterday. Digging your work. Keep it up
Sheesh good vid what's the song tho ?
Whats the name of the song?
Any tips for high level play? Just reached tekken king last night with devil jin and just came across your videos
Mishimas get very hard at high level, at that point it’s all about match up knowledge and counter playing your opponent
@@SolusFather i been getting smoke and got demoted twice, its very frustrating
Man ur videos are really really good, they helped me a lot with my devil jin i'll try to leave blue ranks today
Good luck!😁
Do you main kazuya on pc? (btw the vid was really helpful and cool to watch)
I main both Kazuya and Devil Jin
@@SolusFather Nice, both very fun characters
0:55 nice kaz custom
This video is so sound that I adapted it to my Raven gameplay.
Though,he’s one of the honorary mishimas with that wavu wavu + 50/50 playstyle.
Ha that’s dope
Good guide bro!
Very good video my friend
Hi. Many thanks for this good vid. Im new to tekken (only played tekken3 arcade 20 years ago as a Child). I have now 500 hours playtime and just hit kishin with Jin and Im still learning proper wavedashing, wavedash in electrics and KBD. I can all this things but still not fast enough and not consistent. Since my timing/movement is not very well Im using other tools Jin offers. Especially in ranked matches I fear to lose matches by trying stuffs Im not yet comfortable with.
My question: Should I play more in quick matches to learn using wavedash/EWHF properly before going back into ranked matches, or should I just play and try it out in ranked even if I lose because of that? So far I made only some random tekken friends, which I encountered during my journey. I dont have anyone to play with offline.
(I know that a rank is less important than skills. But still Im somehow obsessed to survive the blue ranks and reach Tekken King in the next months. PS: I do not cherrypic and take every rematch.)
Yea I'd suggest using quick match to get more comfortable with using those things if u dont feel like you are ready to do it in a ranked match yet.
Allright. Many thanks for the reply.
What your id bro im a raijin jin maybe i could learn a thing or two from you
@@burntpotato7116 yes sure. ID:2hqt-jefL-Aya2 and Name: PayamZH
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Good guides
Glad you like them!
horrible advice, ended up being ch by lee and bryan trying to follow the mixup placement in this video