“Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to sh!t on the board and strut around like it won.”
@@marefynn81that only opens a side battle of their choosing look for fallacies and off topic tailchasing of all sorts. Its a trap for you looking for this answer
I always ask for specifics or i pick one like already brought back the coathanger abortions that ended a friend of my grandmother"s so long ago, is that the Great you want back?
I have lost so many friends and family to this cult. I'm listening to this over and over, and am eagerly anticipating the next piece. Please keep them coming!
Same here, my relationship with my own MAGA parents has suffered greatly. When I left the GOP and turned on Trump due to a myriad of reasons, my parents turned on me and our relationship has never been the same since. It's hard and what's worse is that any political conversation where I make any points that counter theirs turns into a conversation about how I am too educated, misguided, or then screaming at me that I'm trying to cancel them. Suffice it to say, I will be watching everyone of Jeremy's videos 😂
@djenkins555 I acknowledge democrats lie and have lied. About myriads of things. Are you willing to admit to any of trumps nearly 30,000 of them and counting?
"The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us to the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like that have taken possession of him. He is under a spell, blinded, misused, and abused in his very being. Having thus become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil and at the same time incapable of seeing that it is evil. This is where the danger of diabolical misuse lurks, for it is this that can once and for all destroy human beings." Dietrich Bonhoeffer You're doing good work Dr. Sherman. I appreciate your laying things out like you are.
This is why destructive cults need to be outlawed and deprogramming handled by the government when cults are exposed and dismantled. Currently it's not against the law to start a cult, deceive your adherents, and exploit them for your personal benefit. But it could be.
I'm a middle of the road independent living in Alabam. I'm surrounded by Maga. Family ,friends, in the workplace . I want to thank you for explaining what I have been witnessing. Now I have some tools to cope.
People like you who are standing up to this cult while surrounded are my heroes. Likewise, history will look fondly on repub politicians that stand up to Trump.
Same here in Pennsylvania. Only add the neighbors to that list. At one point they had me thinking it was me that was the crazy one. Then I realized they're just hardcore bigots and most of them don't even vote... Thank God.
@@ransbarger Mitt Romney certainly improved my view of him when he voted to impeach. The Republicans black-sheeped him after that, and he knew they would. I _really_ distrusted Romney in 2012, but having witnessed him stand up to his own party in the name of democracy, that calmed all my nerves about him, for whatever that's worth now.
I don't remember where I got this but I thought I'd pass it on: Whenever I hear someone, usually at a gathering, say something coyly racist, they almost always scan the room for signs of approval. That's when I respond loudly enough to be heard by everyone around "I don't get it. What do you mean by that?"
A lady that was training me at a new job said the Jewish co-owner was cheap. Me and the two other coworkers just froze. The racist might as well have taken a shit on the office floor. I started to say what, and one of the coworkers just kept the training moving along. It was very surreal.
On instinct, i always confess my confusion and ask what they mean, but it’s completely genuine. I dont tolerate stupidity, if someone is gonna say something “edgy,” make sure it’s clever and has wit. Im offended when i lose iq points from peps’ careless, ignorant words- go plant trees, y’all stealin’ our oxygen.
This analysis makes so much sense. Arguing with a Trump supporter feels impossible because they don't make any logical sense when they argue. I've seen the "Libs have hate in their heart" thing and wondered at the bizarre hypocrisy. I've also recently encountered a phenomenon where I ask a Trump supporter why they support him, and have them hurl a stream of invective against me rather than saying anything positive about their guy. However, it makes sense that they have a different way of processing information than I do. It's not about objective reality but an algorithm for feeling good.
That's that good old conservative "Christian faith" at work: "If it feels right, it must be right, Jesus say so." No attention to facts or logic at all, they were groomed by their preachers to vote them into office. The evangelical Republicans have been a massive threat to the country for decades. They have been conspiring to overthrow democracy for a long, long time. Trump is merely the logical conclusion of their illogical and short-sighted plans.
I long ago stopped " debating " Trumpers. For the most part I avoid any situations where politics will come up. But whenever the inevitable comes up ( mostly on line/ RUclips) I simply tell them I know they aren't as secure as they say they are. They know the truth deep down. Doesn't matter how much they fight. In the end they have to live in their mind. Yes they all have doubts. And yes somewhere in their heads they understand they are living a lie. Let them stew in it. And always show confidence. The more you fight them the more they think they win.
I agree with much of your comment. One thing I would like to point out from my personal experience is that many of these people have large blind spots that cover large swaths outside of their memorized talking points. Another roadblock to productive conversations is their incurious nature.
At this point I’ve just decided to laugh hysterically at anything they say. It’s all insane and ridiculous. Now that Kamala is the nominee I know that will irritate the crap out of them. I try to laugh like she does on purpose. Or I’ll say, “so what’s your point?” Then laugh and walk away in the middle of what they are saying (rude I know that’s the point - not worth my time) and go talk to someone else across the room or yard (if at a birthday party, holiday gathering or BBQ, and I’m not ready to leave the event). Since I’m usually the only one democrat at the gathering (especially when I visit my maga family), someone will be eager to try and engage me, “so what do you think about…” (whatever the latest topic has been in the their news feed). I’ve tried in the past to correct their lies and misinformation and they only change the question if they have to have an honest intellectual discussion. Sometimes I’ll say it’s not about any person but the issue at hand. Focus on the issue, not the politician. Well I agree there is an issue at the border so what about coming up with solutions? What’s yours? If they are willing to go there then I’ll share my ideas, such as what if we … for example “we should hire Disneyland to manage the border. They do a good job getting 150,000 people a day through their gates without people climbing over fences, no razor wire or armed guards, since no administration ever has figured what how to solve that problem.” Then change the topic of conversation or find an excuse to end the conversation, “oh looks like the food is ready, I’m going to help serve, brb” but never come back… Arguing with an idiot is no fun, and I can lose my temper in frustration, so I keep a multiple exit phrases at hand. “I’d love to talk but gotta run, Bob is waiting for me. Bye!” “Excuse me I’ve got to call my mechanic back..” “I hate to interrupt but where’s the bathroom?” Or ask about a totally different personal issue I know they were dealing with, “so how Junior doing away at college..?” “Is aunt Marge doing well since her heart attack?” (Ironic how they’ll distrust doctors and science until they need medical intervention for themselves or their loved one!) thankfully I don’t see them that often. But sad I have to carry an arsenal of verbal tools and can’t just relax and enjoy, always on guard for the next insult, attack, dissemination of misinformation. If I engage a serious inquiry, I do so because I have nieces and nephews and young family members around the table who do not ever hear the other side so I try to do so respectfully to give them something to think about and compare to. I know their parents are not going to be persuaded but try to plant a seed. “Oh well that isn’t my understanding, I read … (my point). I know the youngins are listening and busy googling to see if what I’m saying has any merit, and you know where that will lead them. Seed planted!
Wow I can' t imagine what it is like being surrounded by MAGAS. I think I' d go mad. I live in Europe and only have to deal with them on RUclips and that is bad enough. And I don't even have to deal with them but they make me so mad with their stupid remarks I just start arguing with them. And it is useless, every time.
Great presentation. I have relatives who are deep in the trump cult and have elevated him to demigod status and made him the arbiter of all things good and moral, which is the opposite of what we know to be reality. And they are impervious to truth, facts, evidence and rational discussion. Thank you for putting this series together.
It's funny that red is my favorite color and my favorite sports teams have red as a color. Since this MAGA thing started, I rarely wear red hats and most often wear black.
I've been rolling trolls for years...rule #1 There are no rules...rule #2 see rule #1...."To be insulted I must value your opinion" that's all you need to know, use the tricks they're using and don't spare the whip...now go get em!
…”To be insulted I must value your opinion”…. I love that! I subscribe to Don Miguel Ruiz’s 2nd Agreement: “Don’t take anything personally.” (and you cannot be offended.) And my favorite passed down by my late Dad who passed at 92, “Never argue with a Twit, it makes it hard to tell the difference.”
We need far more material like this, actual lesson plans in how to psychologize and understand the loudest "moral authority" that now acts like it represents so many of us.
Saw the animation of you on channel "Dark Brandon", the vid called "inside the mind of Maga". Then came over to watch your series. Enjoying it very much. I started a quest to understand Maga during the pandemic. Particularly after the anti-vax hysteria. Prior to that, I had some experience with narcissistic people. Noticed a lot of similarities. Several years into my quest now, and the best summary I've seen is ""... researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment, and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to others." I watch so many people waste so much energy going around and around. Society is in a death spiral it seems. A massive injection of Radical empathy seems the only thing that may save us. Something I doubt we are capable of. I'll still try and do my part nonetheless. GO KAMALA! At least she might delay the spiral for a bit. Keep up the fascinating great work!
1) Do NOT, ever answer them. Always get them to answer you; 2) Ask “why” and keep them explaining by asking ‘why’ again and again; 3) Insert “that’s not normal” or “normal people don’t think that way or do that”. People don’t like to think they’re not ‘normal’; 4) Laugh at them a LOT, even if that means typing out ‘lol’. 5) RIDICULE: Tell them they’re dumb, and/or greedy, and or hypocritical. 6) End the conversation by saying they’re a waste of time and end it by laughing at them.
I also like to talk _about_ them to others in the thread, as a way of snubbing them, kind of insulting them "behind their backs." If they notice (and of course they notice) they feel _offended,_ and I .... well, I like that..... 😍
Wow, coming from the many that do not like both parties you can see why. It is tactics like these that make you all no better than the Trumpers. A playbook to appear how to be right. Never mind having actual content to back that up. You all are no better, just because you have found better ways to argue on the playground does not make you any better school kids. Just more effective bully's and bullying.
One of my relatives is currently posting memes every day about how gas, etc, costs more than 4 years ago with "which would you rather have", and suggestions to "open the Keystone XL pipeline". There seems to be no (effective) way to argue.
This video series is outstanding. I’m glad you so thoroughly explained how MAGA see themselves as hero-bots. Whatever they say or do is good, whomever challenges them is bad. The words don’t really matter to them. Thank you for this series! So illuminating.
My dad did not give much advice but hit the nail on the head telling me to never argue with crazy people. I was young and asked why and his response was just staring at me until my young brain digested the obvious. Think you and my pops are on the same page. Thanks for the videos
I cannot get over how well written and delivered this series has been. The word choice density is uncommon and frankly invigorating. If I were a billionaire I would finance your political career as a service to all humanity. Can't wait till the next video.
Nicely edited role play. One of my favorite tactics is storytelling. Everyone has a story to tell. As Carl Rogers said, facts are friendly and what is most personal is most general.
This gave me new resilience to work with my ex at co-parenting. When I get mixed up, late or otherwise am the cause of a problem, she is not able to be forgiving. I keep thinking about context cues that should ameliorate the guilt of my mistake. I ruminate on creating an argument for the forgiveness that I am craving. Things have been getting better since I gave up hope of having this conversation, but I still suffer. Seeing the “tuck and duck” more clearly is super helpful for processing the emotions of being mistreated.
Bonhoeffer‘s Theory of Stup/dity Dietrich Bonhoeffer (executed by the Nazis in 1945) argued that stup/d people are more dangerous than evil ones. This is because while we can protest against or fight evil people, against stup/d ones we are defenseless - reason falls on deaf ears.
That’s why I frequently asked the question about Donald Trump… Is he stupid or evil… I actually think he’s more stupid than evil… But that he is the tool of evil people.
Watched this. It's the first time I've ever been made aware of you. Read your bio. I like your ethos. It's knowing that there are people out there who aren't drinking the kool-aid, and who also are on the front lines, sharing anything useful with others. I've been putting pieces in place to move out of the country before it becomes Gilead, for the sake of myself and my teenage daughter. Having a uterus puts us at a huge disadvantage, and the sickness these herobots are infected with seems unbeatable. I have recently had my resolve shaken in a less fear-based direction, one that won't uproot my whole life. It's content like this that gives me hope...and a handful of very outspoken political voices. Rad shit, thanks
Next time a hero-bot offers up an opinion to you, try repeating the following phrases to the hero-bot. "You shared your opinion. You had the ability. I am grateful. You know next to nothing about almost everything. I value your opinion accordingly." Do this, and you put them in a ridiculous position. In order to gain influence over you, they must attempt to prove. They know something more than next to nothing about almost everything. The truth is. They know next to nothing about almost everything just like everybody else. The act of attempt to prove otherwise only makes them look like the con artists that they are.
Man I am glad that I found this channel. MAGA learn to tuck and Duct, dump trump. Come join us. Do not worry. We are into diversity, equality and we will include you. Step away from being Weird and get WOKE! If you have a hard time breaking out of your spell of fear and hate from old time. Try bare footing while listening to this video. Semper Fi!!
I would love to see him dressed up like that MAGA rapper Forgio Blow or whatever his name is. Lol its a funny visual Doc with face tats grabbing his junk and bouncing...
I’m really enjoying your series. You’ve made some very valuable observations, thank you. Your characterisations are uncanny. However I’ve never experienced a herobot be that attentive to a conversation. And for that long. It’s usually name call and switch off. Like someone shooting from behind a tree, duck out shoot, back under cover before the retort appears. Then duck out and shoot again. Always avoid being hit. Never show a wound.
“You don’t wanna make America great again??” Hahahaha I laughed out loud Excellent video series. I have seen the signs but could never articulate the full picture the way you do. Great stuff! Thanks for sharing your insights!
Absolutely fascinating!!! and SO VALUABLE to understand the MAGA Mentality. In part I'm watching thinking when is he gonna get to the good parts then I circle back to understanding why you are taking your time to get viewers to properly understand the Hero-bot state of mind. I've seen some conversational success in not debating and applying some irony yet not understanding why it had some success in getting through to where people are at... I'm eagerly awaiting the next part! Bring it on! 👍
GOODNESS you are BRILLIANT!! If only we could have you on a debate stage, address Congress, The Supreme Court, how can simple words, thoughts, make such sense?!?
DarkBrandon brought me here. This is all good stuff, but what I keep asking myself is why I should engage at all. I generally ask that right before I fall into a time-wasting, energy-sucking convo with a Trumper. I think I do it because I feel that if somebody lies I need to counter with the truth. Silence implies assent. And if we don't counter every lie with the truth eventually the great wall of lies will fall and swallow this country like a giant tsunami. That's probably nuts right there. Anyway, thanks for helping me work through it.
“He who argues with an idiot is another idiot.” These people aren’t about logic, reasoning, law, or whatever other self aggrandizing virtue they’d like to be associated with, but the validation of their biases and Feeling like they are right. They just move the goal post or push you to defend the lastest nonsense that came out of their mouth or the cherry picked information they heard on FB.
I couldn't believe how accurate part 3 was on MAGAs. I have a friend who is exactly like that. And I act the same way. I do not engage because it is pointless, exhausting, and a waste of time. I should say most MAGAs I meet. Some aren't like that.
Thank you. I'm completely enthralled by these videos. Up until now, I've pretty much been the "liberal" you describe in #2. What you've shown me is that I was traveling in the wrong direction. You have named my desired destination of stumping MAGA and other trolls I meet. You've provided a course correction. It's where I've wanted to go, but never would have gotten close.
These were great videos. Thank you for making them. While I do plan on employing these tactics, I’m going to miss telling someone that they’re a lunatic and that every point they make is demonstrably false. Sometimes it’s frustrating to take the high road. Keep up the great work.
This is very complicated, I am not grasping the Ideas. But I am going to repeat all the videos because this is such important information. I only wish and hope this can help me communicate with lost love ones. Thank you please don't count my failure as the norm.
I just had to block my brother from contact. He is a herobot and when he drinks it is ten times worse. He mentally abuses me with his tactics. After so many warnings to him about not bringing up politics. He made his choice.
Yes, this is important work. I've been trying to understand this irrational phenomenon for years--maybe all my (60 years of) life. I appreciate your perspective on it because it's given me more clarity. Thank you, I look forward to future videos on the topic.
I've really appreciated all four of these videos. You are able to articulate ideas I have only seen the rough outlines of instinctually. I lack the education or language to describe it so eloquently (and empathetically) and will be sharing this with friends. Thank you.
I love ur skits😂😂😂😂 it reminds me a lot of what I’ve learned to do when responding to trolls online who try to pull the “ur name calling” “that’s ad hominem!!” Etc etc. I accept and acknowledge when I’m trying to be rude or belittle people. It’s funny how often trolls (rightfully) assume everyone they engage with wants to also appear morally superior, tolerant, etc. “you’re resulting to insults instead of an argument” and it’s like…? Yeah! I’m NOT trying to debate or convince you of anything! I AM trying to insult you. I don’t respect you! You frustrate and irritate me!!!😂😂😂😂
The media constantly says the country is "so divided". I think we're just in a period of history where about 40% of the population are getting a crash course in psychology. The internet has leveled the playing field. Thanks for amazing content like this!
Thank you so much for this. I've been pondering for about a decade how to handle MAGA people, or any people that mindlessly subscribe to an ideology. I understand now, and am honestly ashamed of, how I've been trying to fact check and debate; it's so obvious now how that's a losing strategy.
I know this is mainly about trump but your emphasis that this herobotism is truly a boundaryless condition that can affect multitudes of folks made me realize how much herobotting ive done for the left. It has made the picture of this political divide that much clearer to me. I hope kamala sees these lmao. Sounds like she would need it. I cant thank you enough for this detailed breakdown of, truly, basic human coping skills and how they invite themselves to be exploited. Great work!
Just ask them to name any bill they support or were against. They “might” be able to say Obamacare. But then you just ask them where trumps replacement plan is, since he said we would see it in two weeks. Or ask them of democrats are socialists, then ask them to define “socialism”. Then ask them why they are using words they don’t even know
Can't wait to watch this but in the meantime... you should put Part 4 in the title (not just on screen) for consistency with the other videos you made in this series. ❤
You mean the hat hat hat? From Dad Brand. And great that you caught the irony in it. Here's a video on how that works:ruclips.net/video/DU8va7FA4eo/видео.html And a comic masterpiece on that subject:ruclips.net/video/uLlv_aZjHXc/видео.html&t
It's difficult to win a debate with an intelligent person.
It's absolutely impossible to win an argument with a stupid one.
Trump is running and hiding! LOL
“Arguing with idiots is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are, the bird is going to sh!t on the board and strut around like it won.”
@@stupedcraig : Beat me to it by an entire month. lols
Thanks for breaking this down. To one troll he claimed "You just hate Trump". My reply was I hate all traitors - not Trump specifically.
“Never argue with an idiot. They will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.” Mark Twain
I love that line, "Everyone wants to make America Great Again. You're not special. Get in line, bonehead."
My line is, "America has always been great, do you deny it?""
hmmm, this is maybe an example of what I'm groping for in my comment above I think. Bottled aphorisms For Herobots?
@@marefynn81that only opens a side battle of their choosing look for fallacies and off topic tailchasing of all sorts. Its a trap for you looking for this answer
I always ask for specifics or i pick one like already brought back the coathanger abortions that ended a friend of my grandmother"s so long ago, is that the Great you want back?
I have lost so many friends and family to this cult. I'm listening to this over and over, and am eagerly anticipating the next piece. Please keep them coming!
Oh sheesh, you're the one in a cult. They have been lying to you for years and you keep believing them.
Same here, my relationship with my own MAGA parents has suffered greatly. When I left the GOP and turned on Trump due to a myriad of reasons, my parents turned on me and our relationship has never been the same since. It's hard and what's worse is that any political conversation where I make any points that counter theirs turns into a conversation about how I am too educated, misguided, or then screaming at me that I'm trying to cancel them.
Suffice it to say, I will be watching everyone of Jeremy's videos 😂
@@djenkins555who specifically is "they" ?
@djenkins555 I acknowledge democrats lie and have lied. About myriads of things. Are you willing to admit to any of trumps nearly 30,000 of them and counting?
@@djenkins555 Prove it.
"The fact that the stupid person is often stubborn must not blind us to the fact that he is not independent. In conversation with him, one virtually feels that one is dealing not at all with a person, but with slogans, catchwords and the like that have taken possession of him. He is under a spell, blinded, misused, and abused in his very being. Having thus become a mindless tool, the stupid person will also be capable of any evil and at the same time incapable of seeing that it is evil. This is where the danger of diabolical misuse lurks, for it is this that can once and for all destroy human beings." Dietrich Bonhoeffer
You're doing good work Dr. Sherman. I appreciate your laying things out like you are.
Thank you for that quote. It is captivating.
I have a meme with this on FB & Xweeter with a Trump overlay ;)
This is why destructive cults need to be outlawed and deprogramming handled by the government when cults are exposed and dismantled. Currently it's not against the law to start a cult, deceive your adherents, and exploit them for your personal benefit. But it could be.
It's like talking to a zombie.
I'm a middle of the road independent living in Alabam. I'm surrounded by Maga. Family ,friends, in the workplace . I want to thank you for explaining what I have been witnessing. Now I have some tools to cope.
People like you who are standing up to this cult while surrounded are my heroes. Likewise, history will look fondly on repub politicians that stand up to Trump.
Same here in Pennsylvania. Only add the neighbors to that list.
At one point they had me thinking it was me that was the crazy one.
Then I realized they're just hardcore bigots and most of them don't even vote... Thank God.
I avoid any family or friends associated with trump and MAGA.
@@ransbarger Mitt Romney certainly improved my view of him when he voted to impeach. The Republicans black-sheeped him after that, and he knew they would. I _really_ distrusted Romney in 2012, but having witnessed him stand up to his own party in the name of democracy, that calmed all my nerves about him, for whatever that's worth now.
@@johnsmithe4656Even a stopped clock is right twice a day. Romney is still an elitist POS.
It's frightening how accurate your observations are.
It feels like I'm living in Jonestown sometimes.
I don't remember where I got this but I thought I'd pass it on: Whenever I hear someone, usually at a gathering, say something coyly racist, they almost always scan the room for signs of approval. That's when I respond loudly enough to be heard by everyone around "I don't get it. What do you mean by that?"
A lady that was training me at a new job said the Jewish co-owner was cheap. Me and the two other coworkers just froze. The racist might as well have taken a shit on the office floor. I started to say what, and one of the coworkers just kept the training moving along. It was very surreal.
Thats a perfect response, ask questions. You don't need to defend anything yourself, they do.
I heard it from Beau of the Fifth Column
@@Ubotit_UnaymitI've heard this from Vaush. Put the ball back in their court & have them explain.
On instinct, i always confess my confusion and ask what they mean, but it’s completely genuine. I dont tolerate stupidity, if someone is gonna say something “edgy,” make sure it’s clever and has wit. Im offended when i lose iq points from peps’ careless, ignorant words- go plant trees, y’all stealin’ our oxygen.
I’m enjoying this so much. My youngest brother is Maga, we avoid each other. Hard to believe but I’m 70 he’s 63.
This analysis makes so much sense. Arguing with a Trump supporter feels impossible because they don't make any logical sense when they argue. I've seen the "Libs have hate in their heart" thing and wondered at the bizarre hypocrisy. I've also recently encountered a phenomenon where I ask a Trump supporter why they support him, and have them hurl a stream of invective against me rather than saying anything positive about their guy. However, it makes sense that they have a different way of processing information than I do. It's not about objective reality but an algorithm for feeling good.
That's that good old conservative "Christian faith" at work: "If it feels right, it must be right, Jesus say so." No attention to facts or logic at all, they were groomed by their preachers to vote them into office. The evangelical Republicans have been a massive threat to the country for decades. They have been conspiring to overthrow democracy for a long, long time. Trump is merely the logical conclusion of their illogical and short-sighted plans.
I long ago stopped " debating " Trumpers. For the most part I avoid any situations where politics will come up. But whenever the inevitable comes up ( mostly on line/ RUclips) I simply tell them I know they aren't as secure as they say they are. They know the truth deep down. Doesn't matter how much they fight. In the end they have to live in their mind. Yes they all have doubts. And yes somewhere in their heads they understand they are living a lie. Let them stew in it. And always show confidence. The more you fight them the more they think they win.
They know in their "Sunday School hearts".
I agree with much of your comment. One thing I would like to point out from my personal experience is that many of these people have large blind spots that cover large swaths outside of their memorized talking points.
Another roadblock to productive conversations is their incurious nature.
I think a lot of them know they're wrong and know Trump is a horrible person, but they don't want to admit they believed him.
tell em stop being weird
At this point I’ve just decided to laugh hysterically at anything they say. It’s all insane and ridiculous. Now that Kamala is the nominee I know that will irritate the crap out of them. I try to laugh like she does on purpose. Or I’ll say, “so what’s your point?” Then laugh and walk away in the middle of what they are saying (rude I know that’s the point - not worth my time) and go talk to someone else across the room or yard (if at a birthday party, holiday gathering or BBQ, and I’m not ready to leave the event). Since I’m usually the only one democrat at the gathering (especially when I visit my maga family), someone will be eager to try and engage me, “so what do you think about…” (whatever the latest topic has been in the their news feed). I’ve tried in the past to correct their lies and misinformation and they only change the question if they have to have an honest intellectual discussion. Sometimes I’ll say it’s not about any person but the issue at hand. Focus on the issue, not the politician. Well I agree there is an issue at the border so what about coming up with solutions? What’s yours? If they are willing to go there then I’ll share my ideas, such as what if we … for example “we should hire Disneyland to manage the border. They do a good job getting 150,000 people a day through their gates without people climbing over fences, no razor wire or armed guards, since no administration ever has figured what how to solve that problem.” Then change the topic of conversation or find an excuse to end the conversation, “oh looks like the food is ready, I’m going to help serve, brb” but never come back… Arguing with an idiot is no fun, and I can lose my temper in frustration, so I keep a multiple exit phrases at hand. “I’d love to talk but gotta run, Bob is waiting for me. Bye!” “Excuse me I’ve got to call my mechanic back..” “I hate to interrupt but where’s the bathroom?” Or ask about a totally different personal issue I know they were dealing with, “so how Junior doing away at college..?” “Is aunt Marge doing well since her heart attack?” (Ironic how they’ll distrust doctors and science until they need medical intervention for themselves or their loved one!) thankfully I don’t see them that often. But sad I have to carry an arsenal of verbal tools and can’t just relax and enjoy, always on guard for the next insult, attack, dissemination of misinformation. If I engage a serious inquiry, I do so because I have nieces and nephews and young family members around the table who do not ever hear the other side so I try to do so respectfully to give them something to think about and compare to. I know their parents are not going to be persuaded but try to plant a seed. “Oh well that isn’t my understanding, I read … (my point). I know the youngins are listening and busy googling to see if what I’m saying has any merit, and you know where that will lead them. Seed planted!
Wow I can' t imagine what it is like being surrounded by MAGAS. I think I' d go mad. I live in Europe and only have to deal with them on RUclips and that is bad enough. And I don't even have to deal with them but they make me so mad with their stupid remarks I just start arguing with them. And it is useless, every time.
Great presentation. I have relatives who are deep in the trump cult and have elevated him to demigod status and made him the arbiter of all things good and moral, which is the opposite of what we know to be reality. And they are impervious to truth, facts, evidence and rational discussion. Thank you for putting this series together.
You just gave the most healing therapy session for free. We all needed that thoughtful explanation. Thank you!
You can't spell hatred without red hat.
It's funny that red is my favorite color and my favorite sports teams have red as a color. Since this MAGA thing started, I rarely wear red hats and most often wear black.
Best comment I’ve ever seen.
wow thanks for that. Kind of scary
Damn… 😳 Sharp observation!
“RED HAT” 🔄 “HAT RED”
Well played 👏🏽👏🏽
I've been rolling trolls for years...rule #1 There are no rules...rule #2 see rule #1...."To be insulted I must value your opinion" that's all you need to know, use the tricks they're using and don't spare the whip...now go get em!
…”To be insulted I must value your opinion”…. I love that! I subscribe to Don Miguel Ruiz’s 2nd Agreement: “Don’t take anything personally.” (and you cannot be offended.) And my favorite passed down by my late Dad who passed at 92, “Never argue with a Twit, it makes it hard to tell the difference.”
But, does that not make them more insecure thus cling more tightly?
Mr. Sherman makes my brain light up.
I am glad to have strategies to use because I also get dumbfounded by MAGA tRUMP cultists.
We need far more material like this, actual lesson plans in how to psychologize and understand the loudest "moral authority" that now acts like it represents so many of us.
"myopium" Underrated joke here.
Right!? I wrote that down
yeah I had a hard time seeing the punchline until it was right in my face. then I was addicted like painkillers.
These videos are the best explaination of the cult I have encountered. I think it also explains how evangelicals have been so suseptible to it.
Saw the animation of you on channel "Dark Brandon", the vid called "inside the mind of Maga". Then came over to watch your series. Enjoying it very much. I started a quest to understand Maga during the pandemic. Particularly after the anti-vax hysteria. Prior to that, I had some experience with narcissistic people. Noticed a lot of similarities.
Several years into my quest now, and the best summary I've seen is ""... researchers found that overall, people were motivated to believe in conspiracy theories by a need to understand and feel safe in their environment, and a need to feel like the community they identify with is superior to
others."
I watch so many people waste so much energy going around and around. Society is in a death spiral it seems. A massive injection of Radical empathy seems the only thing that may save us. Something I doubt we are capable of. I'll still try and do my part nonetheless.
GO KAMALA! At least she might delay the spiral for a bit.
Keep up the fascinating great work!
1) Do NOT, ever answer them. Always get them to answer you;
2) Ask “why” and keep them explaining by asking ‘why’ again and again;
3) Insert “that’s not normal” or “normal people don’t think that way or do that”. People don’t like to think they’re not ‘normal’;
4) Laugh at them a LOT, even if that means typing out ‘lol’.
5) RIDICULE: Tell them they’re dumb, and/or greedy, and or hypocritical.
6) End the conversation by saying they’re a waste of time and end it by laughing at them.
I also like to talk _about_ them to others in the thread, as a way of snubbing them, kind of insulting them "behind their backs." If they notice (and of course they notice) they feel _offended,_ and I .... well, I like that..... 😍
Using "weird" has been pretty effective. It otherizes them.
Wow, coming from the many that do not like both parties you can see why. It is tactics like these that make you all no better than the Trumpers. A playbook to appear how to be right. Never mind having actual content to back that up. You all are no better, just because you have found better ways to argue on the playground does not make you any better school kids. Just more effective bully's and bullying.
@RegularRegs yes, weird has been
...weirdly effective!😂
One of my relatives is currently posting memes every day about how gas, etc, costs more than 4 years ago with "which would you rather have", and suggestions to "open the Keystone XL pipeline". There seems to be no (effective) way to argue.
This video series is outstanding. I’m glad you so thoroughly explained how MAGA see themselves as hero-bots. Whatever they say or do is good, whomever challenges them is bad. The words don’t really matter to them.
Thank you for this series! So illuminating.
So easy but a tumpster can never do it.
My dad did not give much advice but hit the nail on the head telling me to never argue with crazy people. I was young and asked why and his response was just staring at me until my young brain digested the obvious. Think you and my pops are on the same page. Thanks for the videos
I cannot get over how well written and delivered this series has been. The word choice density is uncommon and frankly invigorating. If I were a billionaire I would finance your political career as a service to all humanity. Can't wait till the next video.
I no longer feel obliged to point out the obvious to the willfully obtuse.
They are no longer ignorant. At this this point it can only be seen as stupidity.
Nicely edited role play. One of my favorite tactics is storytelling. Everyone has a story to tell. As Carl Rogers said, facts are friendly and what is most personal is most general.
I like "thank you so much for sharing your opinion, i appreciate your time."
This is free gold. Thank you.
This gave me new resilience to work with my ex at co-parenting. When I get mixed up, late or otherwise am the cause of a problem, she is not able to be forgiving. I keep thinking about context cues that should ameliorate the guilt of my mistake. I ruminate on creating an argument for the forgiveness that I am craving. Things have been getting better since I gave up hope of having this conversation, but I still suffer. Seeing the “tuck and duck” more clearly is super helpful for processing the emotions of being mistreated.
Bonhoeffer‘s Theory of Stup/dity
Dietrich Bonhoeffer (executed by the Nazis in 1945) argued that stup/d people are more dangerous than evil ones. This is because while we can protest against or fight evil people, against stup/d ones we are defenseless - reason falls on deaf ears.
That’s why I frequently asked the question about Donald Trump… Is he stupid or evil… I actually think he’s more stupid than evil… But that he is the tool of evil people.
Watched this. It's the first time I've ever been made aware of you. Read your bio. I like your ethos. It's knowing that there are people out there who aren't drinking the kool-aid, and who also are on the front lines, sharing anything useful with others. I've been putting pieces in place to move out of the country before it becomes Gilead, for the sake of myself and my teenage daughter. Having a uterus puts us at a huge disadvantage, and the sickness these herobots are infected with seems unbeatable. I have recently had my resolve shaken in a less fear-based direction, one that won't uproot my whole life. It's content like this that gives me hope...and a handful of very outspoken political voices. Rad shit, thanks
Next time a hero-bot offers up an opinion to you, try repeating the following phrases to the hero-bot. "You shared your opinion. You had the ability. I am grateful. You know next to nothing about almost everything. I value your opinion accordingly." Do this, and you put them in a ridiculous position. In order to gain influence over you, they must attempt to prove. They know something more than next to nothing about almost everything. The truth is. They know next to nothing about almost everything just like everybody else. The act of attempt to prove otherwise only makes them look like the con artists that they are.
This seems workable. I like it as it will take a bit for them to comprehend that it was great diss.
Brilliant!!❤
So fuuny, I love it!
Gold! 😂 Thank you!
Every one needs to see this.
I just discovered your channel and I am so happy! I am a current psychology graduate student and I LOVE the PhDs who make me think!!!
Man I am glad that I found this channel. MAGA learn to tuck and Duct, dump trump. Come join us. Do not worry. We are into diversity, equality and we will include you. Step away from being Weird and get WOKE! If you have a hard time breaking out of your spell of fear and hate from old time. Try bare footing while listening to this video.
Semper Fi!!
I'd like to see this work out in the wild.
"I bElieVe iN lOvE!"
"Of course you do, sweetie."
Aww. Bless your little heart. 😏
I love your clever puns. They're not just puns for puns sake; they actually reinforce the meanings. You could be a great rapper.
I would love to see him dressed up like that MAGA rapper Forgio Blow or whatever his name is. Lol its a funny visual Doc with face tats grabbing his junk and bouncing...
I’m really enjoying your series. You’ve made some very valuable observations, thank you. Your characterisations are uncanny. However I’ve never experienced a herobot be that attentive to a conversation. And for that long. It’s usually name call and switch off. Like someone shooting from behind a tree, duck out shoot, back under cover before the retort appears. Then duck out and shoot again. Always avoid being hit. Never show a wound.
This guy is the next Noam Chomsky, and also way more accessible. Amazingly informative, sir. Thank you 💯
“You don’t wanna make America great again??” Hahahaha I laughed out loud
Excellent video series. I have seen the signs but could never articulate the full picture the way you do. Great stuff! Thanks for sharing your insights!
They deny, deflect, attack, project, blame-shift etc
This series gets better and better as it goes along. Bravo.
Absolutely fascinating!!! and SO VALUABLE to understand the MAGA Mentality. In part I'm watching thinking when is he gonna get to the good parts then I circle back to understanding why you are taking your time to get viewers to properly understand the Hero-bot state of mind. I've seen some conversational success in not debating and applying some irony yet not understanding why it had some success in getting through to where people are at... I'm eagerly awaiting the next part! Bring it on! 👍
GOODNESS you are BRILLIANT!! If only we could have you on a debate stage, address Congress, The Supreme Court, how can simple words, thoughts, make such sense?!?
DarkBrandon brought me here. This is all good stuff, but what I keep asking myself is why I should engage at all. I generally ask that right before I fall into a time-wasting, energy-sucking convo with a Trumper. I think I do it because I feel that if somebody lies I need to counter with the truth. Silence implies assent. And if we don't counter every lie with the truth eventually the great wall of lies will fall and swallow this country like a giant tsunami. That's probably nuts right there. Anyway, thanks for helping me work through it.
“He who argues with an idiot is another idiot.” These people aren’t about logic, reasoning, law, or whatever other self aggrandizing virtue they’d like to be associated with, but the validation of their biases and Feeling like they are right. They just move the goal post or push you to defend the lastest nonsense that came out of their mouth or the cherry picked information they heard on FB.
Time for some introspection! Very good !
I couldn't believe how accurate part 3 was on MAGAs. I have a friend who is exactly like that. And I act the same way. I do not engage because it is pointless, exhausting, and a waste of time. I should say most MAGAs I meet. Some aren't like that.
Thank you for this eloquent piece of rhetoric. I am looking forward to the next part.
This is genius! :) Thank you for sharing your wisdom! I hope you channel attracts so many more subscribers.
You present a very interesting series here. I'm beginning to have a better understanding of these MAGAts. Thank you!
I appreciate what you’re doing!
Thank you. I'm completely enthralled by these videos. Up until now, I've pretty much been the "liberal" you describe in #2. What you've shown me is that I was traveling in the wrong direction. You have named my desired destination of stumping MAGA and other trolls I meet. You've provided a course correction. It's where I've wanted to go, but never would have gotten close.
These were great videos. Thank you for making them. While I do plan on employing these tactics, I’m going to miss telling someone that they’re a lunatic and that every point they make is demonstrably false. Sometimes it’s frustrating to take the high road. Keep up the great work.
I am so looking forward to the next in this series.... Awesome insight and knowledge.
This is very complicated, I am not grasping the Ideas. But I am going to repeat all the videos because this is such important information. I only wish and hope this can help me communicate with lost love ones. Thank you please don't count my failure as the norm.
As soon as I save some money I am buying your book. Thank you for the videos.
I just had to block my brother from contact. He is a herobot and when he drinks it is ten times worse. He mentally abuses me with his tactics. After so many warnings to him about not bringing up politics. He made his choice.
Thank you.
Yes, this is important work. I've been trying to understand this irrational phenomenon for years--maybe all my (60 years of) life. I appreciate your perspective on it because it's given me more clarity. Thank you, I look forward to future videos on the topic.
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Tautologies!!
Thank you sir
I've really appreciated all four of these videos. You are able to articulate ideas I have only seen the rough outlines of instinctually. I lack the education or language to describe it so eloquently (and empathetically) and will be sharing this with friends. Thank you.
I love ur skits😂😂😂😂 it reminds me a lot of what I’ve learned to do when responding to trolls online who try to pull the “ur name calling” “that’s ad hominem!!” Etc etc. I accept and acknowledge when I’m trying to be rude or belittle people. It’s funny how often trolls (rightfully) assume everyone they engage with wants to also appear morally superior, tolerant, etc. “you’re resulting to insults instead of an argument” and it’s like…? Yeah! I’m NOT trying to debate or convince you of anything! I AM trying to insult you. I don’t respect you! You frustrate and irritate me!!!😂😂😂😂
Cool I've been hanging out for this.
The media constantly says the country is "so divided". I think we're just in a period of history where about 40% of the population are getting a crash course in psychology. The internet has leveled the playing field. Thanks for amazing content like this!
Thank you. It's rather maddening.
This is my mother and father.
Thank you for this wonderful series. It truly helps.
Thank you so much for this. I've been pondering for about a decade how to handle MAGA people, or any people that mindlessly subscribe to an ideology. I understand now, and am honestly ashamed of, how I've been trying to fact check and debate; it's so obvious now how that's a losing strategy.
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This was fantastic, and enlightening. Thank you!
You've taken and refined the art of verbal ju-jitsu and are a master of it. I am not a very glib person. Thank-you for providing these tools.
I love this "I know I am but what are you?" jiu-jitsu verbiage! Definitely a dialog to tie their panties in a bunch!
This should be a mandatory course in every American college and university.
This is very important!
Love it, this is one of the best things I've seen on yt in a long time. I have to practice this.
Instant subscribe, can't wait for the next video!
Very good work.
So stoked to have found you. I’ll be digging in and taking notes
I was just about to comment, "when are we going to get to the good stuff". And then you did, and you didn't disappoint ;)
I'm leaving this video after a few seconds. ... Because I'm starting from Part 1!
Thank you. This is a very helpful course.
Superb! Can't wait to watch part 5....
Can’t wait for the next video. Thank you for your public service
Amazing work ❤ thank you
I think you've hooked us in waiting for the next video!
I know this is mainly about trump but your emphasis that this herobotism is truly a boundaryless condition that can affect multitudes of folks made me realize how much herobotting ive done for the left. It has made the picture of this political divide that much clearer to me. I hope kamala sees these lmao. Sounds like she would need it. I cant thank you enough for this detailed breakdown of, truly, basic human coping skills and how they invite themselves to be exploited. Great work!
Just ask them to name any bill they support or were against. They “might” be able to say Obamacare. But then you just ask them where trumps replacement plan is, since he said we would see it in two weeks.
Or ask them of democrats are socialists, then ask them to define “socialism”. Then ask them why they are using words they don’t even know
Thank you Sir!❤
Can't wait to watch this but in the meantime... you should put Part 4 in the title (not just on screen) for consistency with the other videos you made in this series. ❤
Solid GOLD 🪙🪙🪙🪙
I'm gonna be watching this series a couple times. Thanks for putting into perspective.
Absolutely great, tremendously well thought out. Thanks for taking the time and sharing- I will do the same!
As a semantics fanatic this video was like chocolate cake...instantly subscribed, you got a fan.
Nice edit, thank you for sharing! Very thought provoking yet simple and on point love it!!
Thanks, Doc. 🐝🎸👍🍰
Where may I obtain such an ironic cap?
I'd like something to warn herobots just what they're about to get into when they see me!
You mean the hat hat hat? From Dad Brand. And great that you caught the irony in it. Here's a video on how that works:ruclips.net/video/DU8va7FA4eo/видео.html
And a comic masterpiece on that subject:ruclips.net/video/uLlv_aZjHXc/видео.html&t