Both Hal and Barry have the best arcs in Injustice. I like how their stories work as counterpoint to Superman and the other members of the Regime. They are all heroes who made mistakes but the difference is that while people like Damian, Wonder Woman and, specially, Superman refused to recognize their own flaws as people, not wanting to face consequences nor criticism for their actions, choosing to blame others, Hal and Barry, despite starting that way, choose in the end to face the result of their mistakes and try to be better people.
Jail then got a red ring and became a hero with no friends.....I guess it would have been boring if he just wasted away in prison. Dying in prison from natural causes. But ... something feels a bit hollow when he is just a hero with no friends or family. I didn't read the comic so if he gave up the red ring after he helped out that would be pretty cool. A reluctant hero...but not in a whiny way. In the ...." Only if they really need the help" Kind of way.
@@kharijordan6426 He made a red construct of scissors when he was in a green bubble and they were interrogating him. THey didn't trust him, and he was like "no they are going to come here and everything will burn" and he just cut his finger off that had the ring on it. Kinda dumb since in the game Atrocitus confirms the ring is their heart in that continuity, but there were plenty of things in the comics that didn't mesh with the games continuity. Either way, he didn't do it to be respected again. He did it because it was the right thing to do.
to me, what makes a man truly redeemed, is giving up the redemption because "there is no redemption". a man redeemed because he wants to be redeemed is doing it for himself, a man who does good without caring if he's redeemed is the one that truly deserves it. and that's Hal, he knows he'll never be the good guy again but....he does whats right...after all hes done wrong, he doesnt care about people liking him again....he just wants to do the right thing
I respectfully disagree. Pursuing redemption is something you do for others AND yourself. You should care about being good again, and doing good again. You caring about being moral internally is what benefits others. Otherwise you risk becoming apathetic and truly evil. Because hey, you don't care anymore, right? I feel like you're focusing on a character who doesn't care about redemption, but their reputation with others, aka their ego.
Honestly, in this day of such extreme political divides, I genuinely wish we could get another Green Lantern x Green Arrow run. Two people with such vastly different politics, but they're the closest of friends. Ollie looks at life on an individual basis, and wishes to use his wealth to help those who can't help themselves. Meanwhile, Hal looks at life on a macro scale, seeing each individual as someone who must raise themselves up on their own merits. You could do a lot with a story with just the two of them, and really delve into the message of political extremes and moderation between politics and personal lives.
No kidding. IT makes sense that each of them would have those views. Considering their roles in superhero communities. Lantern takes care of more than just a city, or even a country or planet, he takes care of a massive sector of space which includes MULTIPLE galaxies and species. Depending on the era each sector gets one person. So being all about your own will and drive to get things done makes sense. While Arrow is working in the neighborhoods, stays on the ground unless he's using zip-lines or being flown by somebody. Sees everybody that struggles up close and wants to help. Hal has to deal with things big picture where Ollie can deal with things on a smaller scale. Not to mention Hal is technically a cop (though I hardly consider the Lanterns cops). Yeah TLDR I agree with you assessment.
@@anenemystand5582 and Ollie would agree with you. That’s the thing about these two characters, Ollie is a famous liberal while Hal is a staunch conservative. Yet they’re best friends. And a story exploring that friendship in the context of today’s extreme environment would be amazing.
To be fair to Geoff Johns, he had a very different job as a writer than Tom Taylor. Tom had to write an alternate universe story where Hal lost his way, with the ability to do whatever he wanted with the character. If Hal has to face the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life, so be it, that's the point of the story. Geoff had to write a story to save Hal from the character assasination Emerald Twilight was, and to allow him to be used like a regular character moving forward. Would it have been better for Hal's character for him to be redeemed, and for all future stories to revolve around that one awful thing he did that one time, ala Hank Pym?
I have to admit Hal's arc in The Injustice might be one of my favourites for how many atrocities he committed as part of the Regime, which really harkens back to Hal's time as Parallax, and while we do see that Hal does feel remorse, but truthfully he can't forgive himself for what he's done, it's a mental struggle that actually has always been a part of Hal's character in the main continuity as Hal is a person who feels a lot of self-hate, inner turmoil and deep-seated resentment for everything he is and the act he put on of being a cocky, charming pilot, but truthfully is a struggling man who tends to let his fears get the better of him, but deep down he never lets them control him and chooses to persevere through them with nothing but the will he has and love and support of others, it what truly fuels him. Honestly, Hal is one of my favourite DC characters and one of my favourite GL's
Too bad that even before DC gone to the crap sac they almost never wirthen hall like that. Most hacks that get their hand on him make him the space cowboy without fear, and flaw is to the "lesers" human lanterns
Beautiful video. Now lets talk about how Injustice absolutely wastes Kyle Rainer's character (the strongest green lantern) and kills him in the most pathetic, disrespectful way.
@Dinoman-mo7mt One of my biggest issues with Injustice is that it gets rid of specific characters which would be a fairly good counter to Superman, which sucks because that means we miss out on good fights and good ideological battles. Kyle Rainer would've been the last green lantern and he would've obviously sided against Superman. I would have loved to see Batman kill Zod and begin questioning his very war but instead he's randomly killed by Amazo. I would've loved to see the Titans make a return but they're instantly killed by Zod! I wish injustice actually introduced some of these characters properly instead of killing them 3 pages after they're brought in.
Hal might just be my favorite Green Lantern, I grew up with John through JLU and watched the Green Lantern Animated series so the only lanterns I really had any context for were John, Hal, and what little we saw of Guy during the animated series. But what always stuck out to me about Hal was, fittingly, this indominable will. Only once in the show did he ever waver even slightly, and even then he got back up and saved the entire universe again and again. That unyielding determination was always admirable. But that same will power, that same strength to never back down was subverted beautifully with Injustice Hal. Because what sort of evils will a person do when their will is unbreakable? And how else to you stop them than to make them realize they're wrong?
That's what draws me to Hal as well. I grew up watching John and Wally through the DCAU But Hal and Barry are my favorite Green lantern and Flash respectively.
Will doesn't mean that you don't consider your actions. Doesn't mean that you think you're always right. So what you're willing to do in terms of good and evil have nothing to do with will. We already have an evil Green Lantern. Hal is about the qualities that make someone a good person
@@DSan-kl2yca strong will means you will stand up for what you believe in, which means it’s gonna be pretty damn hard for anyone to convince you that what you believe was incorrect
Injustice Hal Jordan is one of my favourite iterations of any character in all of fiction. Such an incredibly moving, tragic, heroic and heartbreaking arc. Love him so much
Sinestro's "trick" should've never worked. The yellow and green were already in a fight and he was like "ayo they team killing over there...oh source? Uhhhhh *trust* "
Him making the wrong choice and living with it is honestly par for the course for Hal Jordan (who has made similar wrong decisions before). They don't usually delve into Batman's fear (Guardians are handing out one of the most powerful weapons in the universe to some dude because he overcame fear) of it, with Hal Jordan himself deciding maybe they should start popping off heads across the globe when minor crimes are committed (something the ring can do) but they have shown the downsides of the ring, its duty, and how some people fall into it (in the comics, for the past like 20 years now -every- antagonist has been someone the Lantern Corps as a whole or the Guardians unjustly screwed over a million billion years ago). I gotta say, I'm super (hah) impressed at how on point you are about the character just based on these stories. Very perceptive, very sharp.
See, Hal's arc in injustice is exactly what I wanted to see with Ben Solo. Him having to live with the consequences of his actions and choosing to help make things right. But yeah, too complicated for Disney 😑
Dude, you know how to pick music my friend. You're writing is also pretty stellar and the perspectives you bring on things are beautiful. I hope that if you ever hang up your channel and move on, that you live a good life, with every great and terrible thing that will happen, and see it through to the end. I hope a lot of people do, but this is your video so this is for you today.
I think Hal Jordan deserves more of your attention. I grew up watching John, and thought of him as the best green lantern, but outside of the DCAU, the guy does jackshit. Even in the DCAU he doesn't expand the green lantern mythos. It wasn't until I read Geoff John's run, and watched GL: The Animated Series that I realized how pivotal Hal Jordan is to the Green Lantern side of DC as a whole. So many established canon leads back to him, like his history with Sinestro (who is in his own right a formidable nemesis), Star Saphire, Atrocitus, etc. It's the reason why no other lantern can carry a solo book, because it all leads back to Hal Jordan eventually.
Honestly the Green Lantern books from 2004 in Green Lantern Rebirth to Wrath of the First Lantern in 2014 is one of my favorite runs in comics. I love almost all the Green Lanterns from Hal, John, Guy, and Kyle to Kilowag, Ganthet, Arisia, Iolande, and more! I had a hard time with Injustice and seeing so many characters I love die and others act like assholes. But this video does put it into a new perspective. I love your videos!
"And then the evil villain known as goober the gloopmeister beat up PowerMan. This is best described by Wells and Hobbit. As Wells and Hobbit put it, 'power is power until power isn't power'. Anyways here's some cool music."
Damn, this is one of your most beautiful and touching videos. Coming from a man who also grew up on John & Kyle. Made me appreciate Hal more ( even tho I still wish they let Kyle step up like Wally did )
Ive been rewatching a lot of doctor who recently, particularly Peter Capaldi's version and Im noticing similarities his and Injustice GL character. Both do good despite knowing that they will be no redemption for their past misdeeds. "Without hope, without witness, without reward"
I just finished Capaldi's run and he cemented himself as one of my favorites of all Doctors. I always love old man Doctors but he really gets it done. Much as I like the look of Whittaker in the couple episodes I've seen of her I wish we had longer with Capaldi.
Hal was willing to put his role as a hero before his friends so the allure of a Superman “doing what needs to be done” I feel would also be appealing to him
Redemption isn't deserved. Redemption is earned. Injustice Hal is a great example of rehabilitative vs. punitive justice. Punitive justice seeks only to punish those it decides have done wrong. This is what Superman's regime starts with, and what defines it. The joker blows up metropolis, so superman kills him. And not so long after, a stray shot from Ollie hurts his dad. So Superman kills him too. And Hal buys into this idea of punitive justice completely. But the guardians see things differently. When Hal accepts his guilt, putting up no resistance, the Guardians see a broken man, who at his core only ever wanted to do good. And they realise, given the chance, he can do good again. The don't make it easy. They make him fight for it. Because redemption isn't deserved. It's earned. The guardians espouse rehabilitative justice in this: their goal isn't to punish wrongdoers, but to first make sure they can't do further harm, and then to guide those who've done harm back to the path of good. Ironically, if the guardians believed in Superman's and Hal's idea of justice, there would be no second chance for him. They'd have just executed him. But because they see things differently, Hal is given a second chance. Even when he doesn't think he deserves one. Because he earns it.
I always welcome the Injustice take on a lot of character's growth and depictions. While evil Superman is a bit of a bore there's enough interesting aspects that come out of it to have interesting well written story that actually have hardship and tough life lessons that we get to see with these amazing being go through and humanize them more but also shows as Guy say, they CAN be the best of us.
Until Injustice I realized that, in the JL cartoon, Justice Lord John Stewart is still a Green Lantern despite having done exactly the same thing that got Sinestro expelled. Here at least they reasoned that Hal Jordan couldn't keep being a GL and joined the Sinestro Corps.
I think it’s not about redemption, we can’t earn that, we need a redeemer. But it is about repentance. how saying sorry isn’t enough, but in doing better than yesterday we are showing that we are changed from within. That we try not to make the same mistakes anymore and really decided we want to be redeemed. That we are thankful for our second chances. Hal and Barry are great examples and are my favorite heroes because of this.
I have been looking for your channel for a whole year because I forgot the name of the song, "Something That Was Changing Your Mind." Glad I found you again!
I absolutely adore your work and had decided to use this video as project for me to respond to it in an essay format. However, I learned the very hard way that there is no thesis and you just breakdown the characters XD also with that being said, your transition statements are incredible from how you switch main plot points you want to cover. They kept making me think you were about to say the thesis when it was just the main idea, INCREDIBLE
this is a beautiful video essay. i didn't resonate so much with Hal on my first read-through because of the generational reasons you mentioned and because of his conservative nature. but i love how you navigated his arc with the explanation of his character. admittedly i still mostly only look forward to John/Kyle getting more representation but i'm excited to revisit the original Injustice storyline again soon and one day (like 20 years from now because jesus christ we do NOT need another edgy Superman anytime soon) i'm really hoping to see its entirety fleshed out preferably in television. i'd love to spend more time with characters like Hal.
This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes on redemption from a ghost Paladin in a comic about stick figures. Thank you for showing respect for Guy too.
i love hal jordan! hal is such an interesting character 2 me and this vid helped me understand him better! injustice definitely has a pre-geoff johns interpretation of him.
I’m the exact same way, saw John as GL in cartoons and was always drawn towards Kyle in the comics, I haven’t seen the live action movie but I like Nathan Fillion as Hal in the DCAU
Telling Hal to intervene with Congress should have been the point where Hal starts second guessing himself. The Green Lantern Corps, the place HAL's authority is derived from, specifically forbids a Lantern from interfering in the internal politics of a world.
The main forms of dc content i grew up with were teen titans and young justice so i didnt really know any of them i just knew of them, the first actual time i got to see any of them were the injustice games and comics hal and barry's arc really made me fall in love with them and not being my favorite characters they are my favorite characters to read about when i actually got around to read other comics
I take the theres no redemption line as hal cant undo the past. The association people have is that redemption means makinh up for what you have done. Which isnt possible or usually isnt. That both gives a reality check and an unrealistic expectatuon. Hal could save the world a hundred times and it wouldnt change what happened to guy gardener. Hal isnt irredeemable as a person but what he did he cant redeam his actions as they are irreversible. However just because you cant fix the past 100% doesnt mean you cant be a better person. But you have to accept that even if there was a reverse switch it wouldn't change why hal made those actions if as a person be cant be better. Hal may not have the ability to reverse the past but he has tommarow where he can be better and if he tries to be better as a person then he can truely redeam not his actions but he can redeam his soul. Maybe not finding a redemption but finding it within himself to be a good man. But jn other words. You cant fix the past but it doesnt mean you cant try to be better. He can be a good man despite deliberatly doing wrong in the past if he can be a good man in the future
Dude, as petty as it sounds, if you played "Something changing in mind" as the end credits, I'd watch every video with that comfort. It always hits and random songs don't do justice and I'm simple like that.
Green Lantern mythology is definitely my favorite part of DC. While this was a video on Hal, Injustice showed why Guy Gardner is worth investing in. Guy Gardner is a character that is as loyal to the Corp as any other GL. He's a hot head but you would definitely want him watching your back. I despise the meme of Guy being a joke and getting punched out by Batman so much. It makes me excited to see what James Gunn can do with Guy Gardner for his Superman movie.
Of course man cannot make things right, you would need an all-powerful being to do that by making a sacrifice of himself, so that you are redeemed anyway, that’s why there is a tomorrow, specifically because of redemption, and why we strive for good, despite our failures
Aye, John Stewart from the cartoons, Kyle Rayner from the comics when I read them... Hal Jordan by the sheer force of will that is Geoff Johns. Do agree, at least Hal finally faces consequences for his actions...
Hal? I think there's someone you need to talk to. Someone who's gone through a process very similar to yours. Head up north and look for the bald man with white skin and a red streak over his right eye. He should have a young man with him. Look out for his ax though.
@@eyman730 I did and have been enjoying it for a bit now but I genuinely appreciate the response, for anyone else that's asking or looking this'll be helpful so I appreciate it 😁💪🏽
I think Hals Parallax days hurt his character and pissed off his fans at the time. As time went on as yiu read, newer fans like myself who looked back can see alot of growth in his character. Im half and half on it, that a legacy character wasnt teult responsible for such betrayal but on the other, the fact that he would do thr Right thing no matter what after as a hero is a sign if strong will
"Hal to ruin you life" missed title
Both Hal and Barry have the best arcs in Injustice. I like how their stories work as counterpoint to Superman and the other members of the Regime. They are all heroes who made mistakes but the difference is that while people like Damian, Wonder Woman and, specially, Superman refused to recognize their own flaws as people, not wanting to face consequences nor criticism for their actions, choosing to blame others, Hal and Barry, despite starting that way, choose in the end to face the result of their mistakes and try to be better people.
I love it when Heroes live with the consequences
Jail then got a red ring and became a hero with no friends.....I guess it would have been boring if he just wasted away in prison. Dying in prison from natural causes.
But ... something feels a bit hollow when he is just a hero with no friends or family.
I didn't read the comic so if he gave up the red ring after he helped out that would be pretty cool.
A reluctant hero...but not in a whiny way. In the ...." Only if they really need the help"
Kind of way.
@@kharijordan6426 He made a red construct of scissors when he was in a green bubble and they were interrogating him. THey didn't trust him, and he was like "no they are going to come here and everything will burn" and he just cut his finger off that had the ring on it. Kinda dumb since in the game Atrocitus confirms the ring is their heart in that continuity, but there were plenty of things in the comics that didn't mesh with the games continuity. Either way, he didn't do it to be respected again. He did it because it was the right thing to do.
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Ok so he did. Nice.
Ok that's better. Thanks for telling me. 👍
to me, what makes a man truly redeemed, is giving up the redemption because "there is no redemption". a man redeemed because he wants to be redeemed is doing it for himself, a man who does good without caring if he's redeemed is the one that truly deserves it. and that's Hal, he knows he'll never be the good guy again but....he does whats right...after all hes done wrong, he doesnt care about people liking him again....he just wants to do the right thing
I think no one deserves redemption you can only be redeemed through Jesus who died on the cross in your place and rose again 3 days later.
I think no one deserves redemption you can only be redeemed through Jesus who died on the cross in your place and rose again 3 days later.
I think no one deserves redemption you can only be redeemed through Jesus who died on the cross in your place and rose again 3 days later.
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I respectfully disagree.
Pursuing redemption is something you do for others AND yourself.
You should care about being good again, and doing good again. You caring about being moral internally is what benefits others.
Otherwise you risk becoming apathetic and truly evil. Because hey, you don't care anymore, right?
I feel like you're focusing on a character who doesn't care about redemption, but their reputation with others, aka their ego.
Honestly, in this day of such extreme political divides, I genuinely wish we could get another Green Lantern x Green Arrow run. Two people with such vastly different politics, but they're the closest of friends. Ollie looks at life on an individual basis, and wishes to use his wealth to help those who can't help themselves. Meanwhile, Hal looks at life on a macro scale, seeing each individual as someone who must raise themselves up on their own merits. You could do a lot with a story with just the two of them, and really delve into the message of political extremes and moderation between politics and personal lives.
No kidding. IT makes sense that each of them would have those views. Considering their roles in superhero communities. Lantern takes care of more than just a city, or even a country or planet, he takes care of a massive sector of space which includes MULTIPLE galaxies and species. Depending on the era each sector gets one person. So being all about your own will and drive to get things done makes sense. While Arrow is working in the neighborhoods, stays on the ground unless he's using zip-lines or being flown by somebody. Sees everybody that struggles up close and wants to help. Hal has to deal with things big picture where Ollie can deal with things on a smaller scale. Not to mention Hal is technically a cop (though I hardly consider the Lanterns cops).
Yeah TLDR I agree with you assessment.
The problem with "raising yourself on your own merit" is it only works if everyone has the same starting point.
@@anenemystand5582 and Ollie would agree with you. That’s the thing about these two characters, Ollie is a famous liberal while Hal is a staunch conservative. Yet they’re best friends. And a story exploring that friendship in the context of today’s extreme environment would be amazing.
@@blackfox4138 having lived that. I think I'd rather avoid it in fiction.
@blackfox4138 Are there any issues in particular you’d want to explore? Any storylines you’d want to see?
To be fair to Geoff Johns, he had a very different job as a writer than Tom Taylor. Tom had to write an alternate universe story where Hal lost his way, with the ability to do whatever he wanted with the character. If Hal has to face the consequences of his actions for the rest of his life, so be it, that's the point of the story. Geoff had to write a story to save Hal from the character assasination Emerald Twilight was, and to allow him to be used like a regular character moving forward. Would it have been better for Hal's character for him to be redeemed, and for all future stories to revolve around that one awful thing he did that one time, ala Hank Pym?
I have to admit Hal's arc in The Injustice might be one of my favourites for how many atrocities he committed as part of the Regime, which really harkens back to Hal's time as Parallax, and while we do see that Hal does feel remorse, but truthfully he can't forgive himself for what he's done, it's a mental struggle that actually has always been a part of Hal's character in the main continuity as Hal is a person who feels a lot of self-hate, inner turmoil and deep-seated resentment for everything he is and the act he put on of being a cocky, charming pilot, but truthfully is a struggling man who tends to let his fears get the better of him, but deep down he never lets them control him and chooses to persevere through them with nothing but the will he has and love and support of others, it what truly fuels him. Honestly, Hal is one of my favourite DC characters and one of my favourite GL's
Too bad that even before DC gone to the crap sac they almost never wirthen hall like that.
Most hacks that get their hand on him make him the space cowboy without fear, and flaw is to the "lesers" human lanterns
Beautiful video. Now lets talk about how Injustice absolutely wastes Kyle Rainer's character (the strongest green lantern) and kills him in the most pathetic, disrespectful way.
He is the strongest Lantern but he has admitted as a Green Lantern Hal is stronger though I do agree Kyle is absolutely wasted in injustice
@Dinoman-mo7mt One of my biggest issues with Injustice is that it gets rid of specific characters which would be a fairly good counter to Superman, which sucks because that means we miss out on good fights and good ideological battles. Kyle Rainer would've been the last green lantern and he would've obviously sided against Superman. I would have loved to see Batman kill Zod and begin questioning his very war but instead he's randomly killed by Amazo. I would've loved to see the Titans make a return but they're instantly killed by Zod! I wish injustice actually introduced some of these characters properly instead of killing them 3 pages after they're brought in.
Hal might just be my favorite Green Lantern, I grew up with John through JLU and watched the Green Lantern Animated series so the only lanterns I really had any context for were John, Hal, and what little we saw of Guy during the animated series. But what always stuck out to me about Hal was, fittingly, this indominable will. Only once in the show did he ever waver even slightly, and even then he got back up and saved the entire universe again and again. That unyielding determination was always admirable.
But that same will power, that same strength to never back down was subverted beautifully with Injustice Hal. Because what sort of evils will a person do when their will is unbreakable? And how else to you stop them than to make them realize they're wrong?
That's what draws me to Hal as well. I grew up watching John and Wally through the DCAU
But Hal and Barry are my favorite Green lantern and Flash respectively.
Will doesn't mean that you don't consider your actions.
Doesn't mean that you think you're always right.
So what you're willing to do in terms of good and evil have nothing to do with will.
We already have an evil Green Lantern.
Hal is about the qualities that make someone a good person
@@DSan-kl2yca strong will means you will stand up for what you believe in, which means it’s gonna be pretty damn hard for anyone to convince you that what you believe was incorrect
Injustice Hal Jordan is one of my favourite iterations of any character in all of fiction. Such an incredibly moving, tragic, heroic and heartbreaking arc. Love him so much
Sinestro's "trick" should've never worked. The yellow and green were already in a fight and he was like "ayo they team killing over there...oh source? Uhhhhh *trust* "
The most underratedly written DC character
Him making the wrong choice and living with it is honestly par for the course for Hal Jordan (who has made similar wrong decisions before). They don't usually delve into Batman's fear (Guardians are handing out one of the most powerful weapons in the universe to some dude because he overcame fear) of it, with Hal Jordan himself deciding maybe they should start popping off heads across the globe when minor crimes are committed (something the ring can do) but they have shown the downsides of the ring, its duty, and how some people fall into it (in the comics, for the past like 20 years now -every- antagonist has been someone the Lantern Corps as a whole or the Guardians unjustly screwed over a million billion years ago).
I gotta say, I'm super (hah) impressed at how on point you are about the character just based on these stories. Very perceptive, very sharp.
IMPLICITLY PRETENTIOUS MADE A GREEN LANTERN INJUSTICE VIDEO LETSGOOO
See, Hal's arc in injustice is exactly what I wanted to see with Ben Solo. Him having to live with the consequences of his actions and choosing to help make things right. But yeah, too complicated for Disney 😑
Fact of the day. When ostriches join into groups, they are typically referred to as "gangs"
I swear Hal always makes me have a crisis and realize a great truth of reality i was blind too
Dude, you know how to pick music my friend. You're writing is also pretty stellar and the perspectives you bring on things are beautiful. I hope that if you ever hang up your channel and move on, that you live a good life, with every great and terrible thing that will happen, and see it through to the end. I hope a lot of people do, but this is your video so this is for you today.
I think Hal Jordan deserves more of your attention. I grew up watching John, and thought of him as the best green lantern, but outside of the DCAU, the guy does jackshit. Even in the DCAU he doesn't expand the green lantern mythos. It wasn't until I read Geoff John's run, and watched GL: The Animated Series that I realized how pivotal Hal Jordan is to the Green Lantern side of DC as a whole. So many established canon leads back to him, like his history with Sinestro (who is in his own right a formidable nemesis), Star Saphire, Atrocitus, etc. It's the reason why no other lantern can carry a solo book, because it all leads back to Hal Jordan eventually.
Honestly the Green Lantern books from 2004 in Green Lantern Rebirth to Wrath of the First Lantern in 2014 is one of my favorite runs in comics. I love almost all the Green Lanterns from Hal, John, Guy, and Kyle to Kilowag, Ganthet, Arisia, Iolande, and more! I had a hard time with Injustice and seeing so many characters I love die and others act like assholes. But this video does put it into a new perspective. I love your videos!
Really he did still feel guilty for what he done as parallax ,but injustice does lean into his guilt more
The way Hal cuts of Barry from calling Billy a child to help cope with what is happening
"And then the evil villain known as goober the gloopmeister beat up PowerMan. This is best described by Wells and Hobbit. As Wells and Hobbit put it, 'power is power until power isn't power'. Anyways here's some cool music."
Damn, this is one of your most beautiful and touching videos. Coming from a man who also grew up on John & Kyle. Made me appreciate Hal more ( even tho I still wish they let Kyle step up like Wally did )
Ive been rewatching a lot of doctor who recently, particularly Peter Capaldi's version and Im noticing similarities his and Injustice GL character. Both do good despite knowing that they will be no redemption for their past misdeeds.
"Without hope, without witness, without reward"
I just finished Capaldi's run and he cemented himself as one of my favorites of all Doctors. I always love old man Doctors but he really gets it done. Much as I like the look of Whittaker in the couple episodes I've seen of her I wish we had longer with Capaldi.
Hal was willing to put his role as a hero before his friends so the allure of a Superman “doing what needs to be done” I feel would also be appealing to him
Redemption isn't deserved. Redemption is earned.
Injustice Hal is a great example of rehabilitative vs. punitive justice. Punitive justice seeks only to punish those it decides have done wrong. This is what Superman's regime starts with, and what defines it. The joker blows up metropolis, so superman kills him. And not so long after, a stray shot from Ollie hurts his dad. So Superman kills him too. And Hal buys into this idea of punitive justice completely.
But the guardians see things differently. When Hal accepts his guilt, putting up no resistance, the Guardians see a broken man, who at his core only ever wanted to do good. And they realise, given the chance, he can do good again. The don't make it easy. They make him fight for it. Because redemption isn't deserved. It's earned.
The guardians espouse rehabilitative justice in this: their goal isn't to punish wrongdoers, but to first make sure they can't do further harm, and then to guide those who've done harm back to the path of good.
Ironically, if the guardians believed in Superman's and Hal's idea of justice, there would be no second chance for him. They'd have just executed him. But because they see things differently, Hal is given a second chance. Even when he doesn't think he deserves one. Because he earns it.
This was a very solid video! Really hit all the right beats and made me think and feel. Well done, sir.
basically green lantern is the bigest meatrider
I started watching this video and found myself singing along to the opening theme. Thanks for getting it stuck in my head😊
I always welcome the Injustice take on a lot of character's growth and depictions. While evil Superman is a bit of a bore there's enough interesting aspects that come out of it to have interesting well written story that actually have hardship and tough life lessons that we get to see with these amazing being go through and humanize them more but also shows as Guy say, they CAN be the best of us.
Until Injustice I realized that, in the JL cartoon, Justice Lord John Stewart is still a Green Lantern despite having done exactly the same thing that got Sinestro expelled. Here at least they reasoned that Hal Jordan couldn't keep being a GL and joined the Sinestro Corps.
I think it’s not about redemption, we can’t earn that, we need a redeemer. But it is about repentance. how saying sorry isn’t enough, but in doing better than yesterday we are showing that we are changed from within. That we try not to make the same mistakes anymore and really decided we want to be redeemed. That we are thankful for our second chances. Hal and Barry are great examples and are my favorite heroes because of this.
HELL YES I love me some Hal Jordan and also This Channel. Thanks mate!
I have been looking for your channel for a whole year because I forgot the name of the song, "Something That Was Changing Your Mind." Glad I found you again!
Thank you for this message.
I absolutely adore your work and had decided to use this video as project for me to respond to it in an essay format. However, I learned the very hard way that there is no thesis and you just breakdown the characters XD also with that being said, your transition statements are incredible from how you switch main plot points you want to cover. They kept making me think you were about to say the thesis when it was just the main idea, INCREDIBLE
Thanks for making cool shit dude.
Masterpiece.
Early this time! Love when I get a notification from here ❤
Dude you gotta talk about Hal in The New Frontier
Gotta love GL
Hal was a pretty good representation of a blind follower
Anybody notice how Ollie's beard and mustache combo is basically an Arrow Head?
Just found your channel. I'm a big back story and video essay guy. Really like your stuff and look forward to digging deeper into your material.
this is a beautiful video essay. i didn't resonate so much with Hal on my first read-through because of the generational reasons you mentioned and because of his conservative nature. but i love how you navigated his arc with the explanation of his character. admittedly i still mostly only look forward to John/Kyle getting more representation but i'm excited to revisit the original Injustice storyline again soon and one day (like 20 years from now because jesus christ we do NOT need another edgy Superman anytime soon) i'm really hoping to see its entirety fleshed out preferably in television. i'd love to spend more time with characters like Hal.
This reminds me of one of my favorite quotes on redemption from a ghost Paladin in a comic about stick figures.
Thank you for showing respect for Guy too.
“there is only tomorrow” damn
Sometimes Injustice have some really good side history, but other times is just a big snow ball of nonsense, edgyness and waste potential
i love hal jordan! hal is such an interesting character 2 me and this vid helped me understand him better! injustice definitely has a pre-geoff johns interpretation of him.
He saved the world, but at what cost
I’m the exact same way, saw John as GL in cartoons and was always drawn towards Kyle in the comics, I haven’t seen the live action movie but I like Nathan Fillion as Hal in the DCAU
Telling Hal to intervene with Congress should have been the point where Hal starts second guessing himself. The Green Lantern Corps, the place HAL's authority is derived from, specifically forbids a Lantern from interfering in the internal politics of a world.
Without a possession this time
Poor Hal Jordan
Never noticed the parallels between Injustice Hal and Omni Mans redemptions.
G-d bless you. Keep up the great work.
I think joining regime is out of character for Hal because of his love for freedom
Rip Guy
SUPER NICE
Thanks for using these silly superhero stories to teach us about ourselves.
Hal just needed a decent lawyer to pull out the old Parallax defence.
Hal Jordan makes an unenforced error news at 11
The main forms of dc content i grew up with were teen titans and young justice so i didnt really know any of them i just knew of them, the first actual time i got to see any of them were the injustice games and comics hal and barry's arc really made me fall in love with them and not being my favorite characters they are my favorite characters to read about when i actually got around to read other comics
I take the theres no redemption line as hal cant undo the past.
The association people have is that redemption means makinh up for what you have done. Which isnt possible or usually isnt.
That both gives a reality check and an unrealistic expectatuon.
Hal could save the world a hundred times and it wouldnt change what happened to guy gardener.
Hal isnt irredeemable as a person but what he did he cant redeam his actions as they are irreversible.
However just because you cant fix the past 100% doesnt mean you cant be a better person. But you have to accept that even if there was a reverse switch it wouldn't change why hal made those actions if as a person be cant be better. Hal may not have the ability to reverse the past but he has tommarow where he can be better and if he tries to be better as a person then he can truely redeam not his actions but he can redeam his soul. Maybe not finding a redemption but finding it within himself to be a good man. But jn other words.
You cant fix the past but it doesnt mean you cant try to be better. He can be a good man despite deliberatly doing wrong in the past if he can be a good man in the future
Dude, as petty as it sounds, if you played "Something changing in mind" as the end credits, I'd watch every video with that comfort. It always hits and random songs don't do justice and I'm simple like that.
8:02 I like that detail
damn that ending goes hard
Great video. i loved the breakdown on shame and guilt.
Poor this earth Hal is sad 😭
this is a very good video
Green Lantern mythology is definitely my favorite part of DC. While this was a video on Hal, Injustice showed why Guy Gardner is worth investing in.
Guy Gardner is a character that is as loyal to the Corp as any other GL. He's a hot head but you would definitely want him watching your back. I despise the meme of Guy being a joke and getting punched out by Batman so much.
It makes me excited to see what James Gunn can do with Guy Gardner for his Superman movie.
You mean John Stewart. You said Jon Jones. That’s the Martian man hunter.
Babe wake up New IP just dropped
Thought it was instructional at first
Fantastic
Of course man cannot make things right, you would need an all-powerful being to do that by making a sacrifice of himself, so that you are redeemed anyway, that’s why there is a tomorrow, specifically because of redemption, and why we strive for good, despite our failures
This would all be very beautiful and sorrowful if this was the FIRST TIME that Hal Jordan had a woopsie pro superhero moment
Love the Antman video Essay hope you will do Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania story essay to 🐜
Lore of how to ruin your life momentum 100
PLEASE more green lantern content
A review on the whole of the parallax storyline
Honestly Hal was a fool here and deserved not to be trusted again.
Bruh
Already way ahead of ya
Aye, John Stewart from the cartoons, Kyle Rayner from the comics when I read them... Hal Jordan by the sheer force of will that is Geoff Johns. Do agree, at least Hal finally faces consequences for his actions...
You spelled beginning wrong in your video timeline/chapter thing
sad they made Hal so weak
Real
Pfft, like I need a guide to ruin my life 😎
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new I.P. i watch I like. simple man
Could you try out the Emerald Night series? It's one of the hardest hitting Hal Jordan story
This actually made me care more about this jerk. Nice video man
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Good video
Hal? I think there's someone you need to talk to. Someone who's gone through a process very similar to yours. Head up north and look for the bald man with white skin and a red streak over his right eye. He should have a young man with him. Look out for his ax though.
What is the outro song please I need it
Sad and lonely by Stonekeepers I believe. I hope you had found it before I commented
@@eyman730 I did and have been enjoying it for a bit now but I genuinely appreciate the response, for anyone else that's asking or looking this'll be helpful so I appreciate it 😁💪🏽
Nice
I think Hals Parallax days hurt his character and pissed off his fans at the time. As time went on as yiu read, newer fans like myself who looked back can see alot of growth in his character. Im half and half on it, that a legacy character wasnt teult responsible for such betrayal but on the other, the fact that he would do thr Right thing no matter what after as a hero is a sign if strong will
How to ruin your life pt 2) be spider-man
Injustice was incredible and I’m tired of pretending it wasn’t. There were problems but poor characterization wasn’t one of them.