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9mm Underwood 147gr +P Hard Cast Heavy Bone Test
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- Опубликовано: 23 фев 2024
- Putting the underwood 147gr +p 9mm through some frozen beef ribs into gel
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Was camping in Montana 13 years ago. Camping by tailgate of a pickup truck. Was walking back from the stream after washing pots and pan. Saw a huge bear near my truck, I froze for 1-2 minutes feeling my heart race and pound through my chest. I hit the remote panic button on my key fob. Horn honking scared that 600-700 bear and the speed was incredible at which he ran. Still remember his back fat and sides jiggling as he ran. It was about about 60 degrees out, I was soaked from sweat and took 15 minutes to come to normal resting heart rate. Yes I had a side arm. Been a cop 20 years and in some very scary situations. By far this bear had the most profound impact on my nervous system. Had to pee so bad afterwards.
Shew that would be scary. Good thinking with the key fob though
Informative test. Hard cast with a flat nose really works and drives straight into objects.
Thank you. This video really answered any doubts i had about carrying these kinds of rounds.
Glad to help. Thanks for watching!
These are for woods carry, not for EDC
@@misterfister7262 ohhh really!🙄
@@dhamilton201 yeah, really, you judgemental fudd.. there's so many new firearm owners and advising this kind of ammo for edc will get someone killed that doesn't deserve to be killed. There's new 2A supporters that will completely miss the topic of dangerous game and carry this for EDC, in the hood. Stay safe 🍺🤙
@@misterfister7262 I EDC this ammo. If I have to defend my life, I want to be able to hit a threat that's behind intermediate objects. I also believe blood lost from two holes on better than one. If it goes through and through, all the better.
Thanks brother for putting this test together! I've often wondered this exact thing. 9mm, especially in +p is a fairly capable round for most situations.
My pleasure. It seems to be plenty for my neck of the woods lol
This and the Buffalo bore 9m outdoorsman load are Very potent
Yeah that one is strong too. I shot both of these side by side in the Buffalo bore vs underwood video I did.
Yep, they are impressive. the 9mm buffalo bore even has a documented grizzly kill on a charging grizzly out of aq 3.5" s&w 3953
Grizzly ammo makes a 124 +p fmj fp 1350fps and over 500flb of engery out of 4 in barrel, I got a few boxes awhile back to pack in the woods and I carry them in a 5in barrel they should be trucking quit a bit faster out of the 5in gun
That’s a handful I bet
thanks for video
Excellent video thank you so much! I was thinking about a 10 mm but after looking at the 147 grain hard cast for a 9 mm I bought a few boxes. I live in the Poconos in Pennsylvania so I think anything I’m going to see the round should be able to stop.
Thanks for the test!
I need to pick up some for my carry while hiking 😊
I have Underwood 158 grain hardcast for my J frame 38+p while hiking 👍
I’m sure that’s a good one too unless you have grizz in your area lol
@thegundungeon a guide in Alaska, shot a grizzly with a 9mm with Buffalo Bore... It's not my first choice, but it can work 👍
@@jeffdicks138 I’d rather have it than nothing lol 😂
Get something more boss 38special +p is still weaker then that of standard pressure 9mm which the round in the video was not
@@thegundungeon38special is less powerful the 9mm be a good bit even the +p stuff is weaker then standard 9mm or barely on par with it this round being +p 38spc stands little to no chance in comparison
Run same test with a 16” PCC.
I am getting 2,270 - 2321 fps with liberty civil defense 9mm , 50 grain.
Plan on getting out for ballistic info on various other rounds. I have some of what you just tested and can share my findings when I get it done, if you want.
Yes I’d love to know the results. All data is good data
I would be curious to see this type of heavy done test done with regular old ball rounds in service pistol calibers, 9 40 45 ect
I’ll do that, I’ve often wondered myself lol
That would be a great comparison test, especially fmj fp. Thanks for the test GD!
A bone-in beef shoulder, or bone-in ham, might be better analog for a bear. A complete beef or pig head/skull might be interesting too.
I wish I could find a beef skull although I’d probably have some haters on here for that lol 😂
Even at 10'' gel penetration after frozen beef & bone it's still pretty darn impressive to me
That’s probably plenty for my neck of the woods. Capacity is probably more important for me than lots of penetration considering a pack of coyotes is probably my biggest woods threat. The occasional black bear but not many of those and they aren’t huge.
@@thegundungeon Yeah I'd bet you could penetrate a coyote nose to tail with that load. The way it penetrated frozen bone and flesh makes me believe it should also be able to penetrate black bear bones and skull. It may be the smallest cal I'd use but 9mm has gotten the job done before on bears. However, given the choice, Id rather use 1 of my 44 mags. I was treed by an enormous (500+lb) black bear once at our cabin while bow hunting and thats something you dont forget. Bears in our area of northern WI average 400+lbs. Our largest bears go well over 600lbs. WHen I was treed I tapped my release on my bow, clanged it against the treestand and yelled at the bear and all he did was get in a push up position and huf at me. at 15 yards I didnt want to shoot him with my bow or my Glock 40 S&W with 180gr FMJ so I shot 1 round into the ground and he lumbered away into the ferns and layed down . I had to walk within 30 feet of him to get back to the cabin and that was the last time I went out in the woods without 1 of my 44's. We see tons of bears and they always run off when you yell at them until the one day they don't
@@frankbrowning328 yeah if I had bear that big around I’d be opting for some firepower too lol
@@thegundungeon Sometimes we get to the cabin at night and a tree or limbs will be down in the 200 yard long driveway. It's especially spooky when you have bears checking you out and following you up and down the driveway at night. I've always gotten them to run off except for the bear that treed me wile bow hunting.
@@frankbrowning328 any stories of attacks on people up that way?
A great round for the woods and self defense. I own a glock gen 3 17 and glock gen 3 22 .40S&W. My primary carry ammo fof street defense and home defense is 124+p Speergolddot and 180 HST and 180 Speergolddot. I shoot at the range what i carry so those are my ammo choices pretty much. The Buffalo bore 147+p outdoorsman took down a grizzly bear you can google it. Underwood does make excellent ammo. Whats your thoughts on my carry ammo of choice.
Your ammo choices resemble my own. Gold dot and hst is where it’s at. I do tend to go a little lighter on 40 when I’m carrying my shield. The shorter barrel struggles to get 180’s up to necessary speed for consistent expansion so I use 165gr bullets and haven’t had any issues in gel with expansion.
They make a 180 grain 357 Magnum version of this too and it's awesome.
And a 255gr 45acp and 340gr 44mag and like every other fuckin caliber including .380acp
@@lucasschmitz4588buffalo bore even makes a 147 +P in 9x18 PM lol
@gavinfairbanks this video is more talking about underwood but ya buffalo bore has some nice stuff too got they're +p+ XTP rounds in 124gr 9x19
Good stuff
thats a spicy round
It’s moving along. I have it chrono’d in the underwood vs Buffalo bore video I did if you want to see the velocity
Get the +p+ version even spicier
Ive seen a video of an Alaskan fishing guide using this to drop a charging Grizzly. That's freakin BALLZ right there.
I'd say it's adequate for anything in Morth America besides big bear 🐻 🐻❄️
I sure wouldn’t want to be in that situation with ANY caliber, handgun or long gun lol
@@thegundungeon if I'm there, I definitely want my Mossberg 590 with the Brenneke 1-3/8oz bear slugs 😬
@@thegundungeonsemi auto 300winmag can and will stop anything walking north america in 3 shots or less and if it doesn't it wasn't the round it was the user
For a 9 that’s good
Not too shabby in my opinion.
I just picked up a box of Leigh 185gr extreme penetrator 10mm to load up. Would be interested to see how those do as well.
Honestly probably alot better then the hardcast as solid copper is still harder then hardcast lead plus speed beats armor and lighter projectiles well just move faster and bear bone be dense and strong like armor
Overall great video. Would have loved to have seen a couple shots thru the chrono and see how close you were getting to the published velocity, but whatever the velocity, the penetration is the more important thing. One other point: For woods defense I have a Glock 20 which shoots the larger heavier 10mm hardcast projectile. My issue is while it packs more of a punch than the 9mm I can get more shots down range in a shorter amount of time with my 9mm than the 10mm. Kind of makes it hard to choose between the two.
I have this ammo on chrono in my Buffalo bore vs underwood test
I also have a video with 9mm fmj vs hard cast lol 😂
I need to order some!!
Some ammo or beef ribs? lol 😂
@@thegundungeon YES!
Where are you finding all that snow.? We’ve probably had 12-13 inches on the east side of Cleveland.
This was recorded first or second week in January east Ky
Badass
Good information to know, but I don’t think I have need of this round in my area as far as critters goes. We supposedly have some feral hogs around, but I’ve never seen one. I did see a Bobcat about ten years ago - or maybe it was Chupacabra - I don’t know. I might pick something like this up though for a “just in case” scenario should I go someplace where larger critters roam.
Yeah we don’t have anything larger than a black bear and those are pretty scarce. Pack of yotes is the biggest threat around here and they are getting thick & aggressive the last few years
We had some pretty aggressive coyotes in an Arlington TX kids park last week. Attacked two children in separate occurrences within a couple of days. Park was closed until a state agency captured the suspected coyote. @@thegundungeon
@@01rcpena ahh that’s terrible. Hope the kids are okay. Our wildlife management messed up here, they released a bunch of bugs that fed the turkeys, and that worked, our turkey population blew up. With rising turkey though, the coyote population blew up with them, and very few people hunting them these days, they just keep getting more and more, now they are struggling for natural food sources, bringing them out of the woods in search
Well other than getting you to glock glock glock... (gun salesman said that the other day 😂) and replied... "glock glock" sets me okay with that being my sidearm in the woods. Thanks 🙂
I have some glocks, I like em, but I don’t “dislike” many guns at all lol.
Interesting results here. While not my favorite caliber, 9 is nothing to sneeze at. Hard cast at 1100 fps. is going to do most anything you need for a wild cat, dog or small bear. If you hike and do not have a heavier caliber, this would probably be a great choice.
I agree
Did you run any through the chronograph? An honest 1100 fps?
@@wind28631 I have them chrono’d in this one …
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I've seen many different videos where people using the same ammo would have different results. Looks like all 3 shots hit bone. But with one exiting both blocks, and one only making it 10 inches, to me at least it indicates inconsistency in the load itself. To the best of my understanding a hard cast isn't supposed to flatten out like that even if it does hit bone. If you care to I'd like to see you re do this video with this round vs a 115 gr round nose fmj and a 147 gr flat tip fmj
Did my other comment come through?
@@thegundungeon unless i'm looking in the wrong place i dont see it brother
@@kennethrisner8648 that’s what I figured. That’s been happening a lot lately, I type a comment, it shows that there’s a comment but I can’t see it. Didn’t know if you guys could or not. Any who, I said you’re in luck because I’ve already shot a video doing this exact thing with thawed beef ribs and this exact round as well as a 115gr fmj and a 124gr hp. It’ll be out soon. Surprising results.
@@thegundungeon This one I see lol. The reason I asked for such a video is because unfortunately many times a round falls short of it's advertised capability. I have seen many videos and read many stories complaining about the over penetration of fmj projectiles. But it seems to me that's exactly what one would want when defending against a large nasty animal. Also Nate on the tools and targets channel does slot of good penetration tests. Normally an average 9mm round nose will out penetrate any 380 round nose fmj. On one such test he pitted a 380 flat nose fmj against a round nose 9mm fmj. Much to my surprise the 380 flat bested the 9mm round by a good 6-8 inches. He then tried a 9mm flat against a 9mm round nose and the flat easily won. So there is something about a flat nose. That said I'm no expert but from what I've seen it seems that what most consider to be cheap range ammo could serve well for bear defense because of the penetration at a fraction of the cost of round like underwood or buffalo bore hard cast. Then again I'm not going out of my way to out myself in bear country and actually have to find out lol
I carry these when hiking. Good round for defense against black bear and smaller predators. Not sure how comfortable id be with them on a brown bear.
Alaskan fishing guide dropped a grizzly with it soo it def works but to be 1000% honest a solid copper round would probably do better for instance instead of the 147grain hardcast from underwood the 115gr extreme penetrators in +p or +p+ as copper is harder then hardcast lead and they're moving way fuckin faster and speed beats hard objects not weight
Better than a sharp stick. Not my choice but not terrible.
That’s a fact lol
How far were you shooting from the target?
5-7 yards
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Looking good brother. How are you loosing so much weight...Keto??
Nah I’m not a big fan of keto or low carb diets. I just started tracking calories diligently, eating in a decent deficit, making sure to hit 1g of protein per pound of body weight. Started lifting a lot and doing some cardio. Consistency is the key. Thank you though!!
This round would be too inconsistent for my liking. Also 1100 fps at the muzzle seems to be a tad slow, especially for a round said to be +p. I think you'd be just as well off, or even better, with a normal flat tipped fmj with a higher muzzle velocity and at just a fraction of the price
I actually tested that very thing lol 😂
@@thegundungeon lol i stand corrected
I forget to say on the flat point of the bullet it got a indentation of a grizzly bear pow print, if they don’t work there cool looking anyway 🤣😂
That looks capable to me 🤷🏽♂️
It’s more than enough where I live. No large predators around here.
Jacketed holler points would have been better.
Potentially. We can see lol
My Heavy Winter Clothing/Double MDF .357 Mag Meat & Bone tests start tomorrow. I wouldn't mind seeing Typical FMJ in this 30/9/40/45 where the 40 being FP will have advantage for animal defense. You can get hot 9mm flat point Winchester Military or the Hotter M1152 I sent Gun Sam & that's cheaper and good enough. There is some 45 Flat Point that would be neat to see as well. How do I get @TargetSportsUSA360 to sponsor my channel?
I think it's a much needed test and I'm glad you're doing it, and I don't want to come across as a troll, but ideally the medium should NOT be FROZEN. Frozen bone and flesh become brittle, which is not really representative of the intended test. That bear in the wilderness will not have a frozen chest and ribcage, no matter how cold it is outside. I still think this particular load would perform, but that's just a guess. As shown, the conclusions are not valid, IMHO. I know it's not that simple to re-make a video, it takes a lot of effort, time and setup, so I don't mean this disrespectfully or casually. I did carry a similar Underwood load in 40S&W in northern Minnesota woods and figured there's no grizzlies there, so I'm probably ok, considering I also have my deer rifle. And a more compact version as shown would be very practical. I hope no offense is taken.
I have another set of these im going to do a requested video with. I’ll run these through them thaw and see how it changes things in that video
If I could walk around in the woods where the bears are, I'd gladly carry a 9mm with hard cast. I would carry my Glock 34 though. I'd feel better having the extras. Sight radius, velocity, and ammo. 😉
Capacity would be more important to me here cause a pack of yotes is our biggest threat.
@@thegundungeon how long does it take you to cook grits? 😆
@@scubaguy007 long time, I’d have to go find some then find someone else that will eat them lol
Almost any self defense shooting situation will involve a warm blooded target, so I don't see the reason of using a frozen meat/bone target. A meat/bone target at room temperature would be a closer representation of an actual target, instead of a frozen one. Just sayin'…
I sure hope I never have to defend from anything frozen and coming at me lol 😂. I just did frozen to add to the hardness of the target.
@@thegundungeon IMHO the frozen medium makes the target more brittle and easier to penetrate. Brittleness is a separate quality from hardness. Diamonds are the hardest substance in universe, but you can easily smash it with a common hammer into many shards. Again, I don't want to sound like I'm nit-picking, I know it takes a lot of work to set these up. Just in the interest of knowledge :)
@@languagesource355 I have some more I plan on doing a requested video with, I’ll thaw them out. Just have to make sure I hit bone
@@thegundungeon thank you, looking forward to that! I think being able to compare to this video will be very valuable. Maybe we're wrong :)
@languagesource355 he's testing penetration, specifically of a hard cast bear defense type round. The most important factor is if it can go through a bear-thickness skull. A frozen piece of meat and bone is easier to find than a bear skull to shoot. Your hard is brittle argument is silly. Ar 500 steel is hardened and ceramic armor plates are hard, both are higher rated than soft kevlar body panels. Ice can be broken with a hammer, but so can water, and anyone can swing a hammer through way more water than ice. Heck even your example. How thick of a diamond do you thing you can shatter with a hammer, 3 feet thick, how about even 3 inches? What's a less dense and softer form of carbon (the element that diamonds are made of)? Dry ice, and i can break that up with my hands. Your argument doesn't hold any water and is simply silly.
It's about the only thing 9mm is good for uneventful holes through things and full auto fire from a SMG but for self defense 9mm is terrible choice
Hard cast vs hard cast, non expanding, it seems it would be at least in the same ballpark as 357 mag, probably lacking some penetration considering higher velocity of 357, but if you want more damage with hard cast you have to start out with a wider bullet.
@@thegundungeon agreed
1100 fps? Really?
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@@thegundungeon i was expecting to see like 1300 😆
Wobbly camera gives me a headache!
Sorry bro, solo operation, no camera person lol