I never heard of Dr. White. I’m lucky that I have not. Please don’t argue with him It makes him upset and cranky. I’m not sure if I’m being punished or educated? I figure I will continue to ignore him. Like your video. Well researched and applied.
Hello there in Kenya, much love from America. I don't know what your frame of reference is so I'll go in as much detail to do my best to answer your question. If anyone thinks I'm wrong in the way I explain it please correct me. I'm a fairly new christian, I just got baptized in 2018. So I still have a lot to learn and I look at a lot of the Christian stuff from an outsiders perspective. I currently attend a non-denominational Evangelical Church. I don't have a firm ideology on some of these big debates yet. When Martin Luther started the Protestant movement and broke off from the Catholic Church, outside of the corruption that he saw in the Catholic Church, a central tenet of his theology is that we are saved by faith alone and not works. You confess Jesus is Lord and repent for your sins. Maybe the easiest way would be to say is that you cannot "earn" your way into heaven, it is given to you by the grace of God thanks to your faith in him. Predestination is a concept that came on a bit later by John Calvin who was looking at the nature of God. God is outside of time and space, and Calvin tried to conceptualize that for us to understand how that effects us. God knows us before we are formed in the womb. God knows everything we're going to do from the moment we're conceived until the moment we leave this earth. This is what the gentleman in the video (Ferris Murdock) is trying to explain with his Men in Black example. God being outside of space/time knows off all future possibilities and he is in control of all of it and therefore ultimately he decides by what he allows to happen whether or not we make it to heaven. If he allows me to make to make the choice to lose control of my anger and grief and do a murder/suicide, then I had no destiny than what he allowed. The two people that Murdoch plays clips of and screenshots their quotes (14:50) James White and Jeff Durbin, both extrapolate from predestination that since God has control, our actions make no difference. In my previous example, according to these men, God knew I was going to murder at the end of my life and forfeit my salvation so everything I did up to that point was for nothing because God knew I was going to go wrong, so I don't have a say in which way things will go. This is what gets me frustrated about the Protestant side in America, because I see a lot of people seem to mix this up. Since you have repented and god has forgiven you, you got a free ride to heaven. Now maybe white and Durbin would both dispute that description of their theology but the practical result is that many people interprete it that way. The problem I have with people saying that they're saved by faith alone is that in order to have faith, your faith should bear some fruits. If you claim to have faith in jesus, as he says, you will obey his commandments. Someone that claims to be saved but is out drugging and drinking and vicious and cruel, does not have faith that is bearing fruit. Does that mean that they don't have faith? I don't know. We are taught in the Bible that the heart is deceptive. I know a woman who claims she is saved, and has a good heart. But she does not go to church, she does not fellowship, she does not study the Bible. She makes decisions that are contrary to biblical principles and her life reflects that. I expect that she is fully self deceived. She really does believe she's doing God's work by making up the rules as she goes. So that brings me to the faith versus works argument. Aren't Christians like Durbin and Whitehite mixing up belief and emotion? In order to believe something we have to act on it. If I am going to jump out of a tree and into a net I have to have faith that that net will break my fall. Now I might be afraid that it won't, but that doesn't stop me from jumping if I am committed to that belief. So actions will follow our faith. We are convicted in our actions based on our faith. It seems to be a weakness in Protestant theology to connect Faith with emotion so much and disconnect it from action. Anyway, I was hoping I would have done a better job of explaining this but I hope it helps a little bit.
@@SM-pd5cl thank you so much. This helps now to understand what the discussion is all about. It's worth noting that playing emotional on God doesn't help otherwise we will subjecting God to act based on our emotions. God is very much just and (if I'm wrong someone correct me) will judge according to the choices we make. He gave free will and whatever one decides to do,s/he will receive accordingly. Otherwise thank you very much
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Ilove how to be a Christian.. he's awesome I could understand how the way he explains things.
The bit at the start is hilarious. 😂😂
Wow the level of arrogance and pride coming off this man is on the level of satire.. I thought this only happened in movies LOL
I never heard of Dr. White. I’m lucky that I have not. Please don’t argue with him It makes him upset and cranky. I’m not sure if I’m being punished or educated? I figure I will continue to ignore him. Like your video. Well researched and applied.
Someone enlighten me on what this video is all about. It really is a great teaching but I need to get the basis. Kindly. From Kenya with love
Hello there in Kenya, much love from America. I don't know what your frame of reference is so I'll go in as much detail to do my best to answer your question. If anyone thinks I'm wrong in the way I explain it please correct me.
I'm a fairly new christian, I just got baptized in 2018. So I still have a lot to learn and I look at a lot of the Christian stuff from an outsiders perspective. I currently attend a non-denominational Evangelical Church. I don't have a firm ideology on some of these big debates yet.
When Martin Luther started the Protestant movement and broke off from the Catholic Church, outside of the corruption that he saw in the Catholic Church, a central tenet of his theology is that we are saved by faith alone and not works. You confess Jesus is Lord and repent for your sins. Maybe the easiest way would be to say is that you cannot "earn" your way into heaven, it is given to you by the grace of God thanks to your faith in him.
Predestination is a concept that came on a bit later by John Calvin who was looking at the nature of God. God is outside of time and space, and Calvin tried to conceptualize that for us to understand how that effects us. God knows us before we are formed in the womb. God knows everything we're going to do from the moment we're conceived until the moment we leave this earth.
This is what the gentleman in the video (Ferris Murdock) is trying to explain with his Men in Black example. God being outside of space/time knows off all future possibilities and he is in control of all of it and therefore ultimately he decides by what he allows to happen whether or not we make it to heaven. If he allows me to make to make the choice to lose control of my anger and grief and do a murder/suicide, then I had no destiny than what he allowed.
The two people that Murdoch plays clips of and screenshots their quotes (14:50) James White and Jeff Durbin, both extrapolate from predestination that since God has control, our actions make no difference. In my previous example, according to these men, God knew I was going to murder at the end of my life and forfeit my salvation so everything I did up to that point was for nothing because God knew I was going to go wrong, so I don't have a say in which way things will go.
This is what gets me frustrated about the Protestant side in America, because I see a lot of people seem to mix this up. Since you have repented and god has forgiven you, you got a free ride to heaven. Now maybe white and Durbin would both dispute that description of their theology but the practical result is that many people interprete it that way.
The problem I have with people saying that they're saved by faith alone is that in order to have faith, your faith should bear some fruits. If you claim to have faith in jesus, as he says, you will obey his commandments. Someone that claims to be saved but is out drugging and drinking and vicious and cruel, does not have faith that is bearing fruit. Does that mean that they don't have faith? I don't know.
We are taught in the Bible that the heart is deceptive. I know a woman who claims she is saved, and has a good heart. But she does not go to church, she does not fellowship, she does not study the Bible. She makes decisions that are contrary to biblical principles and her life reflects that. I expect that she is fully self deceived. She really does believe she's doing God's work by making up the rules as she goes. So that brings me to the faith versus works argument.
Aren't Christians like Durbin and Whitehite mixing up belief and emotion? In order to believe something we have to act on it. If I am going to jump out of a tree and into a net I have to have faith that that net will break my fall. Now I might be afraid that it won't, but that doesn't stop me from jumping if I am committed to that belief. So actions will follow our faith. We are convicted in our actions based on our faith.
It seems to be a weakness in Protestant theology to connect Faith with emotion so much and disconnect it from action.
Anyway, I was hoping I would have done a better job of explaining this but I hope it helps a little bit.
@@SM-pd5cl thank you so much. This helps now to understand what the discussion is all about. It's worth noting that playing emotional on God doesn't help otherwise we will subjecting God to act based on our emotions. God is very much just and (if I'm wrong someone correct me) will judge according to the choices we make. He gave free will and whatever one decides to do,s/he will receive accordingly. Otherwise thank you very much
Why does he call him "Cowboy man" ?