What Does Romans 9 Actually Teach?
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Dr. Craig I'm 20 years old and my friends and I love you. You inspired me to start this apologetics channel. God bless!
Keep up brother. I like your channel. God bless you. And remember, everything for His Glory.
God bless you brother
The Third Apology ruclips.net/video/8jj-ow2075o/видео.html 🤗
I subscribed your channel..
Amen. Subscribed to you.
I'm supposed to be pondering over Romans 9, and all I can think is "Man, Craig's eyes can't actually be that blue."
Philosophy Porch 👀👀
@@Doubtyadoubts HAHA!
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Man crush
Bluer even than Daniel Craig’s!!
I’m literally crying as I hear this because I struggled with romans chapter 9 ! I’m forever grateful for Christ!❤
This has always been the scariest passage of scripture to me because of how we sometimes misinterpret it. Thank you Dr. Craig for such a clear explanation!
he's just tap dancing around the stuff that's hard to accept. idk what you mean by clear explanation...
Perfect!
@@justinsane7832if you think they teaches predestination and Calvinism you don’t know your Old Testament
@@prophit267 respectfully, the old testament is NOT something you should take serious.
For 1, there's science that debunks most of it and the other parts really don't make your "god" look all that great, in comparison.
That said, its just a story written by humans with limited idea of how the world works.
Entertaining the idea though, the "devil" as you guys call it, was created by god... a supposedly all knowing, loving and all powerful god...yet he created that and many other things like natural disasters and certain trauma with the "heroes" of his stories. apparently, that shows his "love".
The bible tries to replicate real life, by imposing stories that are supposed to go against the "made up" narrative, but even then, it falls on its face.
@@justinsane7832
You're correct.
This is exactly what many people are scared of. God doesn’t care about your ethnicity, he cares about your heart and love for Him through Jesus Christ. Thank you Dr.! 😃
CH ruclips.net/video/8jj-ow2075o/видео.html 🤗🙌
Unfortunately the main subject of the chapter was completely ignored.
ruclips.net/video/537sdVOfe4M/видео.html this muslim guy needs a lesson , guys go and educate him in comment section 😠
Did you even read any of the chapter??Romans 9:11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth;)
Your comment is complete confusion.
It’s no scripture whatsoever that says that 😂😂😂😂😂😂
This passage was preached on just last Sunday in our local church. *This* video has cleared up a lot of confusion.
(Sunday morning, as it is every night, my wife was writhing in pain from her physical disability. Several hours later in church, the preacher was quoting, "I will have mercy on whom I have mercy. I will have compassion on whom I have compassion."
He is an irregular preacher at our church, and I wished that I had skipped church that day.)
Kind regards from Australia.
One of the best, simplest and most direct explanation i’ve ever heard. God bless you.
'For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith-and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God- not by works, so that no one can boast.'
Ephesians 2:8-9 NIV
Exactly. People attempt to make faith a work of man
@@dimains6011 It certainly is not a work of man but a free decision to put our faith in God.
@@rob2250 Free isn't a term I would use. "Many are called, few are chosen."
Dimains On a fundamental level, free is the word we should use because the scripture implies it logically.
@@rob2250 Free can be misinterpreted as man making the choice all on his own, so I usually don't say that, so as to avoid confusion
I’m not going to lie. I was freaking out about this Chapter. Thank you so much for helping me understand better!
Rom 8:28-30:
²⁸ And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
²⁹ For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
³⁰ Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Foreknow !
Not knowing in advance.
Rom 11:2:
² God hath not cast away his people which he FOREKNEW. Wot ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
the same word is also in this vers.
So did they choose themselves ?
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John 6:37,44:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
…
⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
What with that ?
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PS:
Acts 13:48:
⁴⁸ And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Please explain me also this.
God bless you
Thank you Dr. Craig. It's nice that you now allow comments in your videos.
A debate with you and Dr. James White regarding Romans 9 will be epic.
I'm afraid it wouldn't be because Dr Craig skipped the majority of the chapter in his interpretation.
@@Sting79 That's why the debate is good so that there will cross-examination.
ruclips.net/video/537sdVOfe4M/видео.html this muslim guy needs a lesson , guys go and educate him in comment section 😠
@@Sting79 His video was only 9 minutes long. He's giving a quick description.
James White screaming "you're wrong" over and over isn't debate. I don't see the entertainment value.
Right, that’s the correct understanding of Rom 9. Very well done with impressive brevity in less than 10 minutes. Correlating Rom 9 with the earlier passage in Rom 3 was very helpful and should be convincing.
I can hear as I'm watching this the guitars ringing out, "A MIGHTY FORTRESS IS OUR GOD..."
"is this the same exegetical methodology you would use to defend the doctrine of the Trinity, the resurrection, incarnation...?"
"Uhhhh... no."
Oh yeah boi
@@socc3r43va What are you referring to?
Dustin Saunders ruclips.net/video/8jj-ow2075o/видео.html 🤗
Dustin Saunders lol
I would love to see James White or Jeff Durbin and William Craig debate the following things.
1. Exegetical Apologitics
2. Biblical anthropology
3. Romans 9
4. Predestination
It would take four meetings.
Please. As if WLC would ever agree to a formal debate with James White. Plus they would also need to debate The Trinity, where WLC begins dabbling in heresy.
@@spinkscapes775 seeing how often James White gets his opponents studdering, looking for the right words to say during Q & As so often, WLC would be smart not to agree to one.
@@spinkscapes775 how so?
It'll never happen WLC is a philosopher who can't exegete scripture. He'd lose in embarrassing fashion.
Craig's not much of an exegete... those debates would be pretty lopsided in my opinion
I was so conflicted thinking I was unelected…forgot about context. Thank you Pastor. Jesus is King of kings and Lord of lords.
I could make the argument that if you were concerned about being unelected, that is evidence that you are elected.
@@wm7929 I never had this problem until I started listening to preachers like Paul Washer. I love the man/his preaching and seriousness of a Christian walk is contagious. Thank Jesus I no longer struggle with election. I have searched the scriptures to see if it be so. There’s so many verses that are promises that say whosever will call on him/or whosoever believe in him/shall be saved.
So you actually think you deserve grace on the basis of your choice and decision?
@@cootooloo547 the only thing we deserve is condemnation. I’d suggest reading John chapter 6 verses 27/28/29/37/40/47/51/65
He says nothing about elected only being saved but those who labor/cometh/believeth/eats.
One could ask you do you think you deserve grace because of your life being picked out of a hat by God like some big eternal lottery?
I was raised in church over 40 years ago. I didn’t hear of Calvinism til I came back to Christ. Watching indoctrinate videos on RUclips more than reading your Bible in context can destroy your faith.
I’m not following any doctrines of men: calvanism/darbyism etc. which to me any “ism” isn’t sound doctrine.
I follow Christ alone. Then comes along some random person that just has to question someone else’s comment like they are the judge of another’s faith on this earth.
Thread carefully friend. Last thing you’d want to do is hurt a persons belief in Christ.
@@cootooloo547 The word "deserve" connotes a transactional relationship where something is owed based on works provided. Typical Calvinist tactic to misconstrue faith as a work to make your system coherent. Faith is not a work. Paul specifically contrasts the two as pointed out by William Lane Craig "man is justified by faith apart from works of law". That sentence would make no sense if faith was a work that merited salvation. God is still sovereign, free will is preserved, salvation is a free gift, and nobody can boast that they earned salvation since faith and belief are not a meritorious work.
This was so so needed. Been struggling on the meaning of romans 9 for a couple days now
Only a couple of days???
Thanks for this video now I can clearly see the picture of this chapter. Please keep posting teachings like this which is easy to understand. God bless!
"So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy."
Romans 9:16
Yes. In context, it depends not on the jew´s will or exertion, since they do not seek righteousness by faith, but it depends on God, who has mercy on all who believe in Jesus.
@@thomasfryxelius5526 In context, it depends not on ANYONE's will or exertion, Jew or Gentile, but it depends entirely on God who has mercy on those he has chosen unconditionally and gives them the gift of faith. This verse teaches unconditional election.
@@agenttex5748 Who are the one working and willing in this text? The jews. "Israel who pursued a law that would lead to righteousnessd did not succeed in reaching that law. Why? Because they did not pursue it by faith, but as if it were based on works." But it doesn´t matter how much they try to keep the Law or wish that was how we were saved, since God has chosen to save those who believe.
"Gentiles who did not pursue righteousness have attained it, that is, a righteousness that is by faith" So these people, who did not even seek righteousness, received mercy from God when they believed the Gospel.
@KTTGHMTJWYCBLAC It´s not about what I like, it´s about what the Bible teaches. And He has chosen to save all those who trust in His Son, as it says in John:
"to all who did receive him, who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God, who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God."
Here we have people who receive and believe, that are then born again by God, thereby becoming the children of God.
God has mercy on whomever He wishes, that does not mean He has no reasons, just that noone has a right to His mercy.
@@thomasfryxelius5526 You have moved into a new context by skipping down all the way to verse 30, After Paul concluded his discussion of election with his Potter analogy, which pertains to both Jews AND Gentiles as per verse 24. Yes God gives all who have faith the right to become Children of God. But what causes them to have faith? Is it something in themselves? Are some simply more loving, more compassionate, more intelligent, etc. that they would choose Christ but not others. Absolutely not. Why? Because the scriptures teach that fallen human beings who are by their very nature rebel sinners against God cant do that in and of themselves. They need to be given a heart of flesh by the holy spirit first. That is why verse 16 says that salvation depends on God alone, rather than human will or exertion.
For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
Romans 8:7-8
as it is written: "None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one."
Romans 3:10-12
The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned.
1 Corinthians 2:14
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you who do not believe." (For Jesus knew from the beginning who those were who did not believe, and who it was who would betray him.) And he said, "This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father."
John 6:63-65
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, to the praise of his glorious grace, with which he has blessed us in the Beloved.
Ephesians 1:3-6
And yes, God may have reasons as to WHY he chooses some over others. But again, those reasons cannot pertain to "human will or exertion". Foreseen faith cannot be a reason for God's choice to have mercy because 1. Human beings dont have faith without God changing their heart, as has been demonstrated above, and 2. Faith without God acting first would necessarily fall under "human will or exertion".
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This isn't actually a new idea, I was taught this over 25 years ago, this is the simple gospel message of salvation by faith not works. I find it sad that many people haven't been told the truth.
@@danbarnes8905 go read the objection paul raises. If you put this dude argument in the text, it destroys pauls answer to the objection he raises.
He isn’t an apologist. He is a “Christian Philosopher” and Molinist, which is a heresy.
Rm Lances I respectfully disagree
First time hearing this view and already sounds so much more plausible than anything Calvinists have ever said.
Literally haha I felt the same wat.
It's crazy what happens when you actually read the letter in the context of the controversy between the Jews and Gentiles in the first century church, isn't it? 😎
Absolutely. Calvinists MUST force their theology upon the text - the Bible doesn’t teach regeneration before faith or limited atonement.
FOR WHOM DID CHRIST DIE?
"The Father imposed His wrath due unto, and the Son underwent punishment for, either:
1. All the sins of all men.
2. All the sins of some men, or
3. Some of the sins of all men. In which case it may be said:
a. That if the last be true, all men have some sins to answer for, and so none are saved
. b. That if the second be true, then Christ, in their stead suffered for all the sins of all the elect in the whole world, and this is the truth.
c. But if the first be the case, why are not all men free from the punishment due unto their sins? You answer, Because of unbelief. I ask, Is this un belief a sin, or is it not? If it be, then Christ suffered the
punishment due unto it, or He did not. If He did, why must that hinder them more than their other sins for which He died? If He did not, He did not die for all their sins!"
Dr. John Owen (1616-1683)
Havard Teron correct. The reason it is referred to as the unpardonable sin.
Thank you for this! This made me incredibly worried because of how I misunderstood the passage. Thank you for explaining it much more clearly. God bless! Praise the Lord! ❤
This is excellent. Would you consider doing a verse by verse exposition of Romans 9 so we can see how you would handle some of the more difficult verses in Romans 9?
You should have him and Dr. James White on your channel for a debate. Itd be interesting to see you debate Jeff Durbin too!
I've been searching too just about to watch this if you haven't seen it already. He's good this guy
Non-calvinist interpretation of Romans - Mike wigner
@@UltraAar I don't think Dr. Craig would debate Christians. I may be wrong.
Saying “it wouldn’t fit his pet theology” seems rather arrogant and wrong to me. Attributing bad motives to someone as decent as Dr. Craig, who has been a strong pillar in the Christian faith, doesn’t come across as Christ-like, and does nothing to advance whatever you may be trying to achieve.
@@djr3000 another good one is Soteriology 101 with Dr Leighton Flowers
Amen..i can't thank you enough for this video Dr. Craig,lotta love and respect for you from a small town in India.
Absolutely agree, where I can't theologically align with the full TULIP content of Calvinism. A person has to comprehend Roman's 9 in two parts, to break it down succinctly. The first part, Paul is commenting on the Jewish descendants, those of the promise who have hearts after Him. The second part is the grafting of the wild branch, the Gentiles who are not heirs of the Abrahamic linage, but who are grafted in by faith through His son's blood. It is faith from beginning (Abraham) to the end (The Church Age).
@caseman caseman You managed to skip over Romans 9:3-6, jumping to Romans 9:8, discounting Paul's initial thoughts which is part one of my encapsulated comment. Then you completely overlooked my last two sentences which directly addressing Romans 9:8, which is the second part I mentioned. You should learn to process all the content presented or walk away with misconstrued conjectures as you have done above.
Greetings from the Philippines Dr. Craig, thank you so much. 🙏❤️
Excellent Exposition from Dr.WLC!!!! ♥️🔥 And that's what we expect!
Fantastic teaching! This Interpretation is incredibly cogent and edifying.
The first time I hear about 'God's elect' and that make sense and compatible with other books of the Bible. Thank you Dr. Craig you unravel many of my doubts
Rom 8:28-30:
²⁸ And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
²⁹ For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
³⁰ Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Foreknow !
Not knowing in advance.
Rom 11:2:
² God hath not cast away his people which he FOREKNEW. Wot ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
the same word is also in this vers.
So did they choose themselves ?
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John 6:37,44:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
…
⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
What with that ?
---
PS:
Acts 13:48:
⁴⁸ And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Please explain me also this.
God bless you
This is dead on, or dead solid perfect. Very good Dr. Craig. Have a good day!
Thank you Dr. Craig for this video. God bless you more Dr.
Dr. Craig this was as clear as water. Thanks you so much.
God bless you Dr. Craig. My wife and I had recently left a Bible study group of wonderful people because of their complete refusal to hear another view regarding Romans 9 and the Calvinism doctrine of Unconditional Election. For nearly 4 months, we gracefully and gently attempted to offer our understanding of Romans 9 to no avail. So we sadly left by telling them we are taking the summer off. We could tell they were releaved to see us go. It broke our hearts but the idea that God's sacrifice of His only son was only for the elect was too much to bare. We pray this doctrine gets the boot soon!
Great job of denying the truth I hope they celebrated when y'all left...another view🐍 salvation is only Israel not you heathens 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
AMEN well said
John MacArthur has good insights also
@@teddyboy252 John MacArthur is a Calvinist that believes God pre-determined who goes to hell and who goes to heave. Stay away from his missleading teachings on "doctrine of grace" as he puts it.
Calvanism is a divisive doctrine. It separates believers. John Calvin and his followers were people who burned people at the stake for not agreeing with their beliefs. Jesus on the other hand said Father forgive them as He died for those who disagreed with Him… which one sounds like the character of God?
It hurts watching Craig twist and turn through some of these passages. He didn't even complete the chapter
I love and God bless you Dr. Craig ❤️
This is such an important video that aligns with the rest of scripture. So many Calvinist’s think this passage is the nail in the coffin for their belief, but they proof text so much scripture all throughout the Bible to make sense of scripture like this. They also, in their human limitation try to have every answer of God.
Praise God. The explanation of Romans 9 is excellent. Thank you so much Dr. Craig.
I would consider myself as reform or (Calvinist) but it is refreshing to see a different interpretation of Romans 9. God bless Dr. Craig
I have been searching for an explanation of romans 9. Asking JESUSro show me the way and your vid came up ,after listening to it twice it made sense of what paul was trying to say. Thank you
Rom 8:28-30:
²⁸ And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
²⁹ For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
³⁰ Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Foreknow !
Not knowing in advance.
Rom 11:2:
² God hath not cast away his people which he FOREKNEW. Wot ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
the same word is also in this vers.
So did they choose themselves ?
----
John 6:37,44:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
…
⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
What with that ?
---
PS:
Acts 13:48:
⁴⁸ And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Please explain me also this.
God bless you
Amen And God Bless You And Anyone That Reads This ❤
Dr Craig, Praise God for him working through you. I pray for you so that you will have more and more wisdom from Him.
Wow, the way you explained this chapter was truly incredible. Thank you for this video!
Thanks bro for teaching us about this concept so clearly :)
And He was saying, “For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted him from the Father.”
-John 6:65
Make sure you are not reading with presupposed conclusions. Whom does the Father draw? John 5:24 “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment, but has passed from death to life.” And John 5:40-44 “You are not willing to come to Me that you may have life. I do not accept glory from men, but I know you - that you have no love for God within you. I have come in My Father’s name, yet you don’t accept Me. If someone else comes in his own name, you will accept him. How can you believe? While accepting glory from one another, you don’t seek the glory that comes from the only God.” So what reason does Jesus give to explain the inability of these unbelieving Jews to come to Him? Their unwillingness and the fact they seek their own glory and approval amongst themselves. Back in verse 34 Jesus holds out the message of truth to these very same people: “I say these things so that you may be saved.” The enablement to believe is contained in the words Jesus speaks! We can either take Him at His word and humble ourselves, or we can reject Him in pride. The choice is ours! The creation alone leaves men “without excuse” for not humbling themselves and glorifying God. (Romans 1:20) How much more the word of the Gospel! “Without excuse” and “you might be saved” presupposes God’s enablement.
How many times do we need to refute the usage of John 6:65 as a deterministic proof text??
Oh man you need to bring more than that.
John 6:44 “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day. 45 It is written in the Prophets: ‘They will all be taught by God. Everyone who has heard the Father and learned from him comes to me." John Chapter 6 destroys Calvanism. They will all be taught of God, that means All. But of those that are taught only those who chose to listen will hear, and of those who chose to hear, only those who chose to understand will learn. Romans Chapter one also destroys Calvanism, see following verses Romans 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who by their unrighteousness suppress the truth. 19 For what can be known about God is plain to them, because God has shown it to them. 20 For his invisible attributes, namely, his eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly perceived, ever since the creation of the world, in the things that have been made. So they are without excuse. Also see Luke 13:34. "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing!" Jesus doesn't say that they were not able. He says that they were not willing. Coming to Jesus involves the will of the individual.
@@randalljohannes5184John 6:45:
⁴⁵ It is written in the prophets, And they shall be ALL TAUGHT OF GOD. EVERY MAN therefore that hath HEARD, and hath LEARNED OF THE FATHER, COMETH UNTO ME.
It says that all those who learn from the Father will also come to Jesus.
Nothing here says that the learner decides whether he comes to Jesus or not.
Don't read things into it, but leave it as it is.
I’ve heard James White, Leighton Flowers, and others and this is still my favorite explanation of Romans 9. I teach in my church and I hope to be as clear, precise, humble, gentle, and wise with the Bible as Dr. Craig. A huge inspiration in my life.
Craig displays her a critical rule of interpretation: Ask, What question is this text answering? What argument is being made? What issue is being addressed? So, here it is an ethnic discussion about WHO are the people of God and WHAT is it based on. This is not a discussion about individual Unconditional Election or Irresistible Grace. But about nations and access to the gospel thru faith. Thank you, Dr. Craig!
Context is seemingly always forgotten. Context gives meaning to its contents. Thanks Mr Craig. Appreciate your work.
2 Peter 3:9 "The Lord isn’t really being slow about his promise, as some people think. No, he is being patient for your sake. He does not want anyone to be destroyed, but wants everyone to repent."
Thank you so much for your clarity. Calvinism was sneaking into my faith and creating all kinds of stress and confusion where it never existed before. Peace has returned! All praise to our logical loving God!!
Best exposition of chapter 9 that I have heard. Thank you, brother. God bless.
If you are a calvinist, dont be mad at Dr. Craig. He was determined to record this for the ultimate glory of God.
I’m not mad simply disappointed in that Dr.Craig avoids the main argument of the chapter to make his argument. Indeed faith….. but faith has its origin in God. God works faith in your heart. All whom the father gives me…. Jesus
@peteverhelst2088 Well with all due respect, you avoid the entire Bible in order to support your following of John Calvin's teaching which are in error and we can prove it today by using computers.
@@peteverhelst2088 He's under God's compatibilistic determination.
I know my opinion is probably simple and I am using this as a learning experience. Let me first say that having gone through the chapter, I agree with the explanations given here but point out that the question on predestination isn't dismissed by explanation of I will have mercy on whom I have mercy. Rather the challenge is to dismiss the section that says I will harden whom I will harden. Furthermore, Paul goes into an explanation of the hardening of Pharaoh and Pharaoh's purpose seeming to support predestination here. The thoughts issued by Paul here are reminiscent of the teachings in Isaiah which discuss God's calling of the Israelites and the explanation that things were foretold prior to their occurrence. I don't believe this is a different way of looking at the passage but an explanation in part of the passage. The two seem to go hand in hand as God has the power of choice to predestine whom He predestines to the end and the beginning he predestines for His purpose as explained in various chapters of Isaiah. As stated earlier it is easy for me to be wrong but only through conversation can truth be reached.
Thank you for the video Dr. Craig!
The story of Jacob and Esau in Genesis ends with Jacob and Esau being reconciled to each other and to God the estrangement was temporary. This seems relevant as one character is standing in for the Jews and one for the gentiles in Paul's telling.
Both of your points are supremely important.
1st about Esau’s fate: Absolutely, Esau reconciled. What’s more, he was lavishly blessed, with wealth, land, livestock, and men. This shows that while Jacob was chosen, Esau was not not-chosen, as the Jews believed. He wasn’t cursed. Looking at Isaac/Ishmael, Ishmael wasn’t cursed either, he was clearly loved, protected, and blessed by God. So the Jews’ teaching that God only loved/chose them was not taught in the scriptures. This is your first point.
2nd, when Paul tells the Jacob Esau story he DOES mean to use them to represent people groups, but he reversed the roles! See my explanation here: ruclips.net/video/A4nRXbcBcGE/видео.html
I don't know who this guy is but he's right on point in his scope or sweep of the scripture on this point . Keep up the good work brother .
I wish he would have addressed, “So then he has mercy on whomever he wills, and he hardens whomever he wills.
What if God, desiring to show his wrath and to make known his power, has endured with much patience vessels of wrath prepared for destruction,”
Romans 9:18, 22
In that last verse you mentioned, it's interesting to note that paul didnt write "God is preparing them for destruction", even though in the very next verse he writes specifically that God is preparing others for glory. Normally you would write "they are being prepared by God for destruction... and they are prepared for glory", mentioning God in the first clause and then not having to mention Him a second time. But here we see the opposite.
The greek word for "being prepared" (passive voice) can also be translated "who are preparing themselves" (middle voice in greek). I did a little digging and am not an expert, but from all the different arguments i found it most convincing that the second translation is correct. It also fits more with what we see in the rest of the Bible, tbat people are going into their sin more and more and thereby preparing themselves or storing up for themselves more and more wrath.
Just my understanding and thoughts.
@@Catchpoles He is hardening the jews, but only in response to their own hardness of heart, in hopes that they repent and believe in the gospel, NOT to prepare them for destruction when God's wrath comes. Would you agree?
That's what im saying.
I was thinking the same. why would paul even go into that if this video is true?
@@justinm4497 i think im confused by what you mean
Thank you for such blessed explanations you did on here brother. Glory to God, God bless you brothers and sisters. 🙏
“...Those whom have faith IN Jesus Christ.” Thank you Dr. Craig!
Thank you Dr. Craig. Love this.
I've followed this man's work for quite some time and have benefited greatly from him. I'm honestly quite surprised to see Craig set up such a straw man caricature of the Reformed view and not even deal with 9.11, where God's choice is not based on anything that anyone has or will ever do, including faith. I also don't know of any reformed thinker who believes that Romans 9 teaches that "only a few" will be elected.
Can you tell me where Romans 9 is talking about individual salvation?
Nathan Fosdahl Hey I want to speak this in love and in humility before God. But from what I learned from Reformed doctrine of the scriptures is that a Calvinist would allude the text in Romans 9 in conjunction with Titus.
Let me give the example:
1.) When Paul says: “So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.”
Romans 9:16. A reformed person may say even in Context that it’s not of a person who wills (meaning choosing for salvation) nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy.
Some would object and say: “God doesn’t save people in His mercy, they obtain it, (1 Peter 2:9-10). but God doesn’t speak of saving mercy in Romans 9.
2.) I would object as a Reformed person & say that God does save people in His mercy as mentioned in Romans 9:16.
Paul mentions in Titus in the context of regeneration:
“not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy He saved us, through the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit,”
Titus 3:5.
The phrase “but according to His mercy He saved us” Titus 3:5 is linked to Romans 9:16. That’s were a reformed person would argue from. If your not convinced that’s fine with me, and your convictions are between you & God. I’m just laying down what I have learned from the Scriptures.
3.) And a reformed person would also suggest the scripture which states:
“As it is written: “There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.”
Romans 3:10-11
Nathan Fosdahl is romans 8 talking about individual salvation? What about chapter 7?
@@dayperthedisciple I don't think Paul has structured his letter as being about individuals. But I'm happy to be corrected. I'm not a Biblical expert.
Dr. Craig don't stop these videos!
Thanks for this clear and light bringing message: God chooses faith! The faith of Christ brought us salvation and through faith we receive it, because He has mercy on whom He has mercy.
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And who chooses which have faith or not? God chooses. Not man. Man does not have sovereignty over God.
@@anonymoustruth5950 If man has no freedom to choose to put his/her faith in God, then why would Paul say in Acts 17:30-31 "God now commandeth all men every where to repent, because he hath appointed a day, in the which he will judge the world in righteousness by that man whom he hath ordained; whereof he hath given assurance unto all men, in that he hath raised him from the dead."
@@fredrodenbach4891 everything is done through the sovereignty of the Lord.
@@fredrodenbach4891 is God above man or man choosing over God?
4:22 Which is actually a comforting message. 😊
Thanks so much for this explanation, I just taught a group on Romans 9 and had my answer to the Calvinist position on predestination, but I had not yet considered (as I realized I needed to) why Paul was addressing the issue of predestination in light of his calling his Jewish brethren to faith in Christ. Dr. Craig begins here, and provides a complete, highly rational and biblical explanation for Paul addressing God's sovereignty in this passage.
Amazing...GOD Bless Dr.Craig
You’re going in circles. It is Gods sovereignty?
Through Faith? And who makes one BELIEVE??
And who makes one believe not? What does the clay say to the potter??
He's no going in circles. Dr. Craig basically affirms the view of molinism. This view is that human free will and divine sovereignty are compatible because of God's middle knowledge.
Just Some Guy Who Isn’t Dead I was referring to what he was saying. His words. I understand the (title) but as he was explaining it he left out key scriptures in Romans 9. We definitely have a free will. But to say God doesn’t have a say in our faith is hard to believe. How did you choose? Reason and logic? And the other guy doesn’t have the same reason and logic?
Ask Nicodemus. He knows.
@@donaugustine9748 Question for you: Why did Jesus speak in parables?
Nathan Fosdahl Matthew 13:10-17
In a nutshell parables were GIVEN to show in the physical what is in the spiritual. And were GIVEN to fulfill a prophecy(Isaiah). and were GIVEN to some to know (understand) the secrets of the kingdom and to others they weren’t GIVEN the same knowledge. Their eyes and ears were not open.
@@donaugustine9748 Why did Jesus have to speak in parables? Wouldn't there be no need to speak in parables since people couldn't understand the things of God anyway without a regenerative work of the Holy Spirit first?
Thank you so much. I almost became reformed. This makes sense to my spirit.
Dr. Craig, I appreciate your desire to approach this subject from a molinistic perspective, but there are some obvious holes and some vast portions of scripture you are leaving out. If you start at the beginning of Romans 9 yet end up in verse 30 without 2-29, you are missing the point. The hole in this line of thinking is real simple, where does saving faith come from?
Exactly, faith is a gift and so is repentance. They both come from God not man.
How do you ever develop faith in anything? Through experience and making a decision. Parents, friends, spouse, family, government, math, science...we learn to trust, to have faith in those things.
Faith comes from hearing the message, and the message is heard through the word about Christ. Romans 10:17
For the word of God is alive and powerful ... It exposes our innermost thoughts and desires. Hebrews 4:12
Once we hear about the message of Christ, the gospel of Jesus, we either put our faith in Him or reject the message.
But these are written THAT YOU MAY BELIEVE that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of God, and that BY BELIEVING you may have LIFE in his name. John 20:31
And then we have John 3:16-18. The responsibility to believe in Jesus is upon us.
@@briancasey4917 Also, freewill is a gift from God, otherwise, we won't be able to make decisions about everyday life, and put our faith in Jesus. Salvation is actually a gift from God according to Ephesians 2:8-9 to whoever accepts this gift. Unfortunately, people have used freewill as a curse due to their own choosing.
DONT SKIP ROMANS 9:32. CASE CLOSED ALL
This is a good interpretation, but I'm still struggling with verses 16-24 and how they fit. They seem to imply that God hardened Pharaoh's heart "so" he wouldn't have faith -- "18: So you see, God chooses to show mercy to some, and he chooses to harden the hearts of others so they refuse to listen." If Paul is explaining that salvation is open to all through faith, why does he cite an example where God intentionally blocks someone from having faith?
Also, verse 16 says "So it is God who decides to show mercy. We can neither choose it nor work for it." The question I have is: do we choose to have faith?
All other verses follow within this interpretation except these.
Rom 8:28-30:
²⁸ And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
²⁹ For whom he did FOREKNOW, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
³⁰ Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Foreknow !
Not knowing in advance.
Rom 11:2:
² God hath not cast away his people which he FOREKNEW. Wot ye not what the Scripture saith of Elijah? how he maketh intercession to God against Israel, saying,
the same word is also in this vers.
So did they choose themselves ?
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John 6:37,44:
³⁷ All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
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⁴⁴ No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
What with that ?
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PS:
Acts 13:48:
⁴⁸ And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.
Please explain me also this.
God bless you
Nice. Would love to hear you respond to Dr. James White on this. He has been very critical of you over the years!
A major confusion some people tend ot have is misunderstanding the knowledge of God with taking away our free will. They incorrectly think, if God has knowledge of what I am going to do in any given circumstance, then I do not have free will but that is irrational. I know my friend likes a certain food over another...because I predict what he is going to freely choose doesn't mean I am forcing him to choose. He has free will.
This really helped. I still have questions on it, based on the topic of free will and this chapter. But this video helped me to understand majority of it! Thank you!
I understood my Bible as well in that what's generally classified Calvinism perspective - Dr. Leighton Flowers on Soteriology 101 does however not only Romans 9, also other key passages he does verse by verse and I find his exegesis very convincing, what he e.g. shows is that an airplane yes can be predestined to go to NY, still I have a free choice to go or not to go on that airplane - the passages do not mean that God causally determines who goes to heaven and who goes to hell
@@SAMBUT how is it possible for an airplane to be predestined to go to New York and also for the airplane to have the free will to choose whether or not to do so and that not be a contradiction?
@@doublethebenjamin8185 the air plane is predestined, and the people have free choice to board it
@@SAMBUT meaning the air plane is the church, AKA the vehicle of God's impact on earth, and the people are Christians? I mean yes, but that doesn't really indicate predestination of people, just predestination of the means of salvation and ministering to one another
I just realized I read your original comment wrong, my bad
Simple and yet very straightforward... Really love this...
This definitely debunks the Hebrew Israelite movement as well
Yes it does!!!
It does indeed though.
I don't specifically condemn those who fall into false religion, Jesus doesn't either until one rejects first the peers objective reasoning and further Holy Spirit wisdom.
When an elder teaches correctly, Wisdom spares not.
Zephaniah 3:10 refers to those whom worshipped God from the days when they experienced the plagues and the might of God. They were not Hebrews , but worshippers, and a gentile worshipper is grafted into the branches of the Olive tree of Judah.
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According to Romans 9:13 GOD hates this guy
Shawapar HOI Pull up boys
Gotta consider the context and hyperbole
Not sure what you’re getting at...
Bless you Dr. Craig!
Thank you Dr. Craig. You are without doubt the absolute Best!
This was a nice video. However I would ask then, what about the verse where God says that he hardened Pharaohs heart to use him to show his power? Or when Paul says in Romans 9 that when he elected Jacob over Easu, it was before they were born and before they had done anything at all?
If you ever wondered what David Lee Roth would look like if he were to say "Did God really say....."
Amazingly explained 🎉 praise God!🎊
Question: How do you explain what Romans 9 means but manage to do so in a manner that would never cause someone to raise the objection Paul anticipates in verse 19?
Answer: you haven’t explained what Romans 9 means...
This right here is the lynchpin of Romans 9 and, by and large, to the entire free will vs. predestination argument. Also, Paul's reply to the objection is staggering.
Paul explains the meaning of this section aka chapter 9, in verses 30-32.
@@gregoryahl5117 - Can you explain what you mean? I don't understand.
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Powerful. Thank you for explaining this!!! It never made sense to me that even if we believed in Jesus and lived with the spirit we would be lost because we are not children of Israel. My God came to save the WHOLE world.
Thank you WLC, you are a true blessing to the Christian faith, in whom God has used in my life to grow my understanding and relationship with Him.
I simply cannot make the text say what you want it to say, Dr. Craig. I know you and many others like to cry injustice on Gods part for selecting some and passing over others, but that is exactly the point of Paul’s question in Romans 9:19 - “why does He still find fault, for who can resist His will?” The Calvinist reading of Romans 9 leads right into this question. Your reading of the text does not lead to this question and actually makes it unnecessary. Your understanding of Gods providence makes God human in that he must choose people in some wooden way and force them to do His will. He is God - His ways are not our ways and it is not incompatible with the text to suggest both human and divine will can be involved in all matters of decision making.
I love this! I have been wrestling with romans 9 for months and thought it was about God's sovereignty and grace.
This confirms my prayers!
Try John Piper on Romans 9. He wrestled with it but broke through to a deeper understanding and a happiness based on God's choice of the elect.
Why did Dr Craig skip most of the chapter? It's really quite embarrassing to call this an interpretation of Romans 9 while refusing to address the verse that says, "So then it depends not on human will or exertion, but on God, who has mercy". We do not choose to have faith, God gives us faith.
You need to debate Dr. James White on this. He is way to consistent and exegetically solid. He can often represent his opponent's view better than his opponent can. He is know for using this to his advantage. Especially during Q&As where his opponents often have a hard time finding the appropriate words for their response because of their inconsistencies. Dr. James White is one of the most consistent, exegetical Christian apologists you will ever find. Period.
@Owen Hawthorne Whether or not you like Dr White, discjockeydoll is correct in their assessment. Dr White is consistent in his process and exegesis.
He's consistent alright. Consistently wrong...
It's not a contest.
He's wrong though
Thank you for explaining I was having trouble understanding the chapter. God bless everyone ✝️❤
You should get on Leighton Flowers' show, Soteriology 101, and discuss this.
Yes! :)
LOVE Leighton's work. Love the work of anyone who honors God's word.
Or Mike Winger... What William Craig says is exactly what God want us to teach in Romans 9.
Pelagianism 101 by Leighton is all that is.
@@discjockeydoll9643, you must be a Manichean.
Thank you for this video. This explanation was extremely helpful.
Excellent commentary on Romans 9. Thank you Dr. Craig!
Amen, thank you WLC.
6:28... "...it is those which have faith in Christ Jesus...'
Literally, it is those 'given faith' in Christ Jesus, as '...A man can receive nothing, except it be given him from Heaven' (Jn.3:27, 6:65).
Yes, God gives grace to the humbled heart 'hearing Him' in Christ Jesus in a saving way, the way of faith (Ps.149:4, Rom.3:25).
Free will is given from heaven. It is our nature, how we were created. If we were puppets of God then it would have been pointless to put the Tree of knowlege of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden. You take an incredibly superficial view of John 6:65. If you have already spent countless hours in studying John Chapter 6 and still hold this view, I don't know what to tell you. Maybe get into the Greek and tear John 6 apart. God calls many, but few are chosen. If God calls with no intention then why would God call at all. Everything God does is with purpose. He calls because he desires all to be saved. To believe man is incapable of coming to faith but has to have it forced into him against his will, makes man totally deficient in being a creature created in the image of God. I reject Calvanism, only because Calvanism reject biblical teaching.
@@randalljohannes5184
The force of Truth is compelling to such as receive 'the love of the Truth, that they might be saved' (2Thes.2:10). So then, James (1:21) exhorts 'hearers' to receive 'in meekness the engrafted Word, which is able to save our souls'.
Which Scripture encourages "freewill" in your understanding?
Thanks for all of your work!
I love Dr. Craig and I’m very thankful for his tremendous service to the church. But I have to disagree with him here.
Dr. Craig, why didn't you address the hardening of hearts part of Romans? That's were the bulk of Calvinists' arguments of double predestination comes from. Can you offer a rebuttal of this?
He's a philosopher, not an exegete, and this demonstrates it. I don't know why he even attempts to pretend that this is an exegesis of Romans 9. I respect the man, but this is where Molinism can't answer the tough questions.
Incredible, thank you for this break down
Great job of teaching and clarifying. Thank you sooo much!
So thankful for this man! He has taught me so much.
Amen. Thank you Dr.
Dr. James White and Jeff Durbin vs. WLC and Leighton Flowers. Both parties must abide by all the rules and not jump around to this text and that text. Romans 9 debate. That's it.
I think Leighton alone would be sufficient honestly. But I wish WLC was interested in "in-house" debates like these
What about when Romans jumps around? Are we to be purposefully ignorant of who Romans is referencing, what situation they were in, that is being called upon? it is one thing to jump around the text of the bible willie nilly, it is quite another to go and read what the verse is quoting. James White is bad about calling the latter "running around from verse to verse".
The interpretation put forward by Dr. Craig is absolutely one of the most clear explanations I’ve heard on the topic. While I respect our Calvinist friends, it seems to me they have to ignore a lot of passages as well as context to arrive at their conclusions.
If you want to get even more specific, Just the general nature of God aligns so much more clearly with this interpretation.
I love this man of God, but I have to disagree with his interpretation. Election is all over the bible from beginning to end. If Jesus paid the price for all of us, how can God punish anyone? Now, some will say that this is a gift and to effective you have to accept it. But I'm going to respond then God is unjust as the sin of one man will be paid for twice. If the price has been paid for all then there is no way to reconcile the idea of God punishing anyone for their sins. It has been paid in full. God's justice has been fulfilled.
Unfortunately again the Christian Bible nowhere says Jesus paid for sin. God forgives sin not by justice or recieving blood , but by free gosepl grace from the heart. Jesus blood being the new covenant that removes sin and death. You still need to ask forgiveness as a Christian. Remember it is a wicked servant that requires payment for forgiveness. And if your sin is paid for then it would exclude free gosepl grace and God would remain ungracious and bound to ignore our evil as Christians. This is the faulty use of the word " impute" which can never mean Calvin's transferal osmosis
always good to see Christians claiming each other are wrong and with exactly the same amount of evidence on both sides: none.
The atonement is for everyone but you only get placed into it by belief. Same from old testament to new testament. It's what the Jews didn't understand. They were trying to obtain righteousness through the law, but it only comes by believing God, hence Abraham believed God and was credited....
The atonement only benefits you if you believe, and faith comes from hearing the gospel, not from election.
@@granthollandvideos thanks for your input. The word it's finished literally means paid in full. This is the way it was used to indicate the full payment of a receipt. Please feel free to look for it. Another point, the idea of sins being paid on full is part of the doctrine of justification as it doesn't have to be stated by word on the bible. Like the doctrine of trinity is not in the bible by name but we understand it clearly.
@@brucegolston6507 I will have to disagree with conclusion. If Jesus attonment (which be definition include payment of price- please check Zondervan illustrated dictionary) means that Jesus has paid the price for all sins including the sin of disbelief. If our lord paid it for all, then there is nothing to be paid for.
Very clear and very well explained. God bless you and Thank you.