12.5 years as a Porsche technician. Worked on my share of the 914, even one race car version and a few 914-6. Once I was draining the fuel out of the tank, I had a 15 gallon barrel under the car and as the fuel level went down the fuel was not hitting the barrel, I reached out to move the barrel and a spark jumped from my finger and WHOOSH!! The fuel caught on fire. Luckily I am trained in firefighting. Had the fire out in seconds but wow.. that was exciting. No harm to the car at all, not even discoloration due to the soot.
For me this is the way to go, seeing clean metal and where the corrosion is makes things a lot easier to understand what a project looks like before repair work begins. This man works well in front of the camera too. Thanks for the upload.
In my opinion this is the best way to start a quality restoration. It exposes all the sins of the piece, past repairs, rust and corrosion. It removes paint, sealers, plastic, adhesives and everything else without adding damage to the metal that mechanical sanding, stripping and sand blasting does. The rust treatment prevents future rust. The restorer is left with the best possible piece to work with.
I've always wondered why Japanese and European classic cars don't have very good corrosion resistance compared to American cars but it's so much harder on vehicles in those places
My wife bought me one in Germany in 1982. for $400.00. Of course I blew the engine on the autobahn, but had the engine replaced in Stuttgart for 2 cases of Jack Daniels. LOL Brings back memories. Like your channel.
As a 914 owner, I can only applaud this way of starting a restoration! 914s are true rust buckets. But underestimated cars when it comes to driving and driver involvement. Any 914 is worth saving and restoring!.The downside of this dipping is the fact that you cannot look behind the rockers, where the 'lungs' are. Often a weak point. But given the overall condition of the car, the owner might be lucky when it comes to that part as well!
Impressed how little rust there was on that car. Having the floors not full of holes certainly seemed to make the jet washing a rather more wet job for you!
one of the most solid 914's I've ever seen, usually the bottom half is gone on these things! curious thogh, how often to you have to clean out your tanks?
The alkaline lasts a few years. It’s easily spiked and most of the stuff comes off in the washbay. The acid lasts maybe 2 yrs and can’t be spiked as easily because of the dissolved metal. We are working on a filtering method to make everything last longer
1st car i bought with my own money was a '73 914 (back in 2002). Super stabile and fun car to drive...hard to work on it though. Love seeing them though and love someone bringing one back to life.
I remember watching the door gap get wider as a rusty 914 was raised at Autothority in 1982. One thing you didn't do was to open the door on a rusty 914, or 911 Targa when it was on the lift. Also watched as a mechanic jumped up and down on the rocker to get the car's door opening back to the shape of the door. To prep a car for PCA club racing we stripped it of every piece of non needed bracket and metal piece, including cutting open the rocker to remove the heater tubes. Then we took the tub to a company in Allen Town PA. They wrapped the tub in an insulating blanket and put it in a room on a large metal table. Closed the doors and turned on the computer controlled heat. It raised the temperature very slowly (maybe 1 degree per minute). Raised the temp to something like 600-700 degrees ( I may be wrong on the temps as this was 1994). They held the temp for a period of time and then brought the temp back down at the same rate that it was increased. When this was done the chassis was 30-60 pounds lighter ( again this was 30 years ago so my memory may be off a little). Everything was now ash, including paint, primer, undercoating, rubber, plastic, seam sealer, everything. You ended up with a clean canvas to prime and paint. I think the name of the company was Redi Strip of Allen Town PA
After dipping ad stripping off all of the paint, how do you protect and repaint the hidden areas like rocker panels in between body panels with paint??
Very cool process , thanks for sharing , this car was one of the better 914s i’ve seen in nearly 40 years i personally. have mostly been into British Sports Cars but am a odd one amoung others perhaps because i also like Air Cooled VWs i’ve liked the 914s since their Introduction probably because they are a little weird ! I’m kind of new to RUclips and on this Channel you guys should have some more advertising links to the business IMO i’ve lived primarily on the East Coast and in Florida your type of business due to the EPA has been getting harder to find Like Chrome Companies and anything else with Toxic Chemicals the last car i Restored it cost me a fortune in shipping i wouldn’t mind Trailering things personally for long distances
That is the finest 914 I've seen in decades, truly worthy of such a professional strip-down job. Hopefully, the customer will rebuild it with equal professionalism.
They went out of their way to get the car chemically stripped to the metal. It's not a cheap treatment, so I think they're willing to spend a lot of money, which should be, at least in theory, a point for their will to have a "done right" job
Brings back memories, I bought my 914 in 1972 off the showroom floor and kept it for about 30 years. Loved that car, wish I could have kept it, but I didn't have the money at the time to do the needed body work and engine repairs. The car had the usual 914 troubles, rusted battery tray, rocker panels and shifting linkage problems. Best of luck to you in your life's calling.
Pro tip for removing the floor soundproofing pads, crush a bunch of dry ice and spread it on top and let sit for 10 minutes minimum. The soundprouf material becomes brittle and scrapes off in big chunks with a putty knife. A job this size would take less than two pounds of dry ice but should ideally be splt into two (left/right) sectons larger vehicles four or more.
Beautiful! My aunt had one of these when i was a kid. Great car but they had a very bad reputation regarding corrosion. She had to give it up as the frame was so rusted it did not get the “TÜV” (Mot) - and welding frame parts is not allowed here in Germany 😅. Great work! Thanks! 👍✌️
@@kaidzaack2520mein Opa kannte den Spruch von seinem Seat Toledo. Als der tüv Prüfer einfach mit nem Schraubendreher durch den Unterboden durchgehauen hat wars vorbei 😂
To remove the poly sound proofing from Porsche and Mercedes I spread a plastic garbage bag on the floor above the sound proofing ,then I pour dry ice onto that . The sound proofing goes really hard and a few smacks with a nylon hammer shatters it,making it easy to vacuum out. Under the car is the same process with the cars rotated on a rotisserie.
very intersting to see this process done. a 914 seems to be a bold choice as most i've seen would have so much rot it wouldn't be worth the trouble to restore. Of course that's true for a lot of cars.
Kind of looks like my old 74 914-6. Wish I still had it. It was a pretty quick car for the time period it was made with the 110 hp 2.0L. It was a bit temperamental at times; particularly with the AC that was shoehorned in the car and the fuel injection. Ditched the fuel injection since it was a POS and put on some Weber carbs. However, I did keep the fuel injection and it went with the car when I sold it. Electrical issues were always present with those funky little fuses.
3100 is a great price. I stripped mine down bare metal last year. I used sanders, scrapers, grinders, wire wheels, foam sanding pads, heat guns and about 40 other items. But no chemical strippers. A few hundred hours at least. Never again! What city are you guys in?
About how long does it take you to do each stage of the pressure wash? Also do you shop vac the standing water out of areas before it goes back in the dip?
First washes after alkaline can take from 20-45 min. After all the paints gone and we are working on rust it takes an 1-1.5hrs. It varies greatly on a lot of factors like clearcoat, bondo, undercoating, etc. I only shop vac when it’s going to be switching chemicals. I’ll shop vac prior to washing if there’s chemical in the floor. One of the reasons I don’t pressure wash from the top down is because all the water settles in the floor and causes me more work because I lose visibility of the floor panels. I usually start from the inside out to avoid that issue.
@@minute_of_dangle Thx for the feed back. How soaking wet are you after spraying the shells down? Or are you in a "clean/dry suit" I know when I pressure wash my patio, I am soaked head to toe.
It makes me wince. The dip is amazing the car is amazing. But wow does the work start now :o) Glad I’m not the one making panels and welding them in without causing distortion ;p)
Nice job, you goit it nicely stripped. Do you jetwash the chemicals off inside the sills? How do you repaint inside the cavities to prevent it rusting inside those? Do you dip in paint or zinc after?
Thanks! Most of our customers get the whole car Ecoated after. They submerge the whole car and it coats everything. We flush everything out with a rust inhibitor after
We have a pit under the washbay that’s separate from our sewer drainage. The runoff is collected there. We then pump it out into evaporation tanks that have heat exchangers to evaporate all the water out of it. What’s left is a neutral sludge. We then pay a company who specializes in chemical waste disposal to dispose of it properly for us. We just got a giant filter press to speed up the process
Another thing. I've restored a ton of Porsches, dry ice and a hammer is the fastest way to remove the floor tar. Just tap tap tap to break it all up when it's frozen, then vacuum it out. WAY easier than a heat gun or a wire wheel. Also, before stripping, I'd spend half an hour with some 36 grit sandpaper breaking the paint film with scratches, then 99% of it would come off first pass.
Super, svp .. ou êtes vous? .. j'ai une 914 6 GT a décaper, il y des ailes en fibre de verre, C'EST POSSIBLE AUSSI AVEC DES PARTIES CARROSSERIE EN FIBRE DE VERRE?? Merci
No flap discs were harmed in the making of this video 🤣 Seeing this process is deeply satisfying - one day I hope to dip my 1972 Spitfire, though I expect not much may be left of it 😢
Unfortunately I’m not allowed to say. I don’t own the company and it’s their proprietary chemical. Alkaline can be spiked so it can last a while. We had a tank last 4-5years once. Acid maybe lasts 2 yrs
I have been watching your channel for a long time while contemplating taking my 914 to you. Mine is in not the best shape, so i am worried how much will be left!
12.5 years as a Porsche technician. Worked on my share of the 914, even one race car version and a few 914-6.
Once I was draining the fuel out of the tank, I had a 15 gallon barrel under the car and as the fuel level went down the fuel was not hitting the barrel, I reached out to move the barrel and a spark jumped from my finger and WHOOSH!! The fuel caught on fire. Luckily I am trained in firefighting. Had the fire out in seconds but wow.. that was exciting. No harm to the car at all, not even discoloration due to the soot.
Oh boy that was real close !! God saved you !👍🏼
For me this is the way to go, seeing clean metal and where the corrosion is makes things a lot easier to understand what a project looks like before repair work begins. This man works well in front of the camera too. Thanks for the upload.
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Agreed, otherwise rust can get hidden by crud and old cracked undercoating.
In my opinion this is the best way to start a quality restoration. It exposes all the sins of the piece, past repairs, rust and corrosion. It removes paint, sealers, plastic, adhesives and everything else without adding damage to the metal that mechanical sanding, stripping and sand blasting does. The rust treatment prevents future rust. The restorer is left with the best possible piece to work with.
914’s are notoriously rusty. That’s a really nice one honestly.
Most cars that were made before the late 80s were notoriously rusty.
@@Christoph-sd3zi truth :D
I think they started galvanizing 911s in the late 70’s.
Well not this one
I've always wondered why Japanese and European classic cars don't have very good corrosion resistance compared to American cars but it's so much harder on vehicles in those places
seriously great start to a restoration.
My wife bought me one in Germany in 1982. for $400.00. Of course I blew the engine on the autobahn, but had the engine replaced in Stuttgart for 2 cases of Jack Daniels. LOL Brings back memories. Like your channel.
Getting a bit hooked on your videos. Keep them coming there a great series.
Thank you! I’m glad you enjoy them! I’ll keep them coming for sure!
What a great starting point. Your work exposes the good and the bad. This one looks pretty good !!
I wish my 914 was that clean! Good work!
As a 914 owner, I can only applaud this way of starting a restoration! 914s are true rust buckets. But underestimated cars when it comes to driving and driver involvement. Any 914 is worth saving and restoring!.The downside of this dipping is the fact that you cannot look behind the rockers, where the 'lungs' are. Often a weak point. But given the overall condition of the car, the owner might be lucky when it comes to that part as well!
Any day a 914 is saved is a good day, well done, good luck to whoever gets the final product. Starting out so rust free is a bonus.
Impressed how little rust there was on that car. Having the floors not full of holes certainly seemed to make the jet washing a rather more wet job for you!
Hahahha yeah I got soaked on this one
The little pink man survived!! Looking good. Is the rust bath also a converter? Thanks
I'm really enjoying the before incerts during the final reveal.
Great work.
That's a really clean and rust free car to start with!
*I can’t stop watching your videos! Lot of fun seeing the layers and years of bad decisions being revealed.*
I really enjoy the "real time" video spraying. I really like the wide view and this Porsche was a great dip. Thanks.
Thank you I really appreciate that! I’ll try and throw more real time washing in for the next ones
one of the most solid 914's I've ever seen, usually the bottom half is gone on these things! curious thogh, how often to you have to clean out your tanks?
The alkaline lasts a few years. It’s easily spiked and most of the stuff comes off in the washbay. The acid lasts maybe 2 yrs and can’t be spiked as easily because of the dissolved metal. We are working on a filtering method to make everything last longer
1st car i bought with my own money was a '73 914 (back in 2002). Super stabile and fun car to drive...hard to work on it though. Love seeing them though and love someone bringing one back to life.
I remember watching the door gap get wider as a rusty 914 was raised at Autothority in 1982. One thing you didn't do was to open the door on a rusty 914, or 911 Targa when it was on the lift. Also watched as a mechanic jumped up and down on the rocker to get the car's door opening back to the shape of the door.
To prep a car for PCA club racing we stripped it of every piece of non needed bracket and metal piece, including cutting open the rocker to remove the heater tubes. Then we took the tub to a company in Allen Town PA. They wrapped the tub in an insulating blanket and put it in a room on a large metal table. Closed the doors and turned on the computer controlled heat. It raised the temperature very slowly (maybe 1 degree per minute). Raised the temp to something like 600-700 degrees ( I may be wrong on the temps as this was 1994). They held the temp for a period of time and then brought the temp back down at the same rate that it was increased. When this was done the chassis was 30-60 pounds lighter ( again this was 30 years ago so my memory may be off a little). Everything was now ash, including paint, primer, undercoating, rubber, plastic, seam sealer, everything. You ended up with a clean canvas to prime and paint. I think the name of the company was Redi Strip of Allen Town PA
I can’t imagine the regulations that you’ve got deal with. I’m glad that you’re doing this. It’s the only way to start a proper restoration.
In Chicago these 914's were rust buckets when 4 years old, this one looks pretty good.
EVERYTHING rusts in Chicago, just some worse than others.
Always enjoyable to see the process. Well narrated and great video. Thx
Thank you! That means a lot.
Cool !!! That's a great condition car for a '74 !👍🏼👍🏼
never really been a 914 fan. but an old spider i could dig . great process
Exelent condition for that porsche!! Great job bro! Big hug from Argentina, love your work man!
Thanks buddy I really appreciate that!!❤
Wow ,amazing work❤❤❤❤❤😮
After dipping ad stripping off all of the paint, how do you protect and repaint the hidden areas like rocker panels in between body panels with paint??
That's also my question. That chassis is going to corrode inside out after this process.
Very cool process , thanks for sharing , this car was one of the better 914s i’ve seen in nearly 40 years i personally. have mostly been into British Sports Cars but am a odd one amoung others perhaps because i also like Air Cooled VWs i’ve liked the 914s since their Introduction probably because they are a little weird ! I’m kind of new to RUclips and on this Channel you guys should have some more advertising links to the business IMO i’ve lived primarily on the East Coast and in Florida your type of business due to the EPA has been getting harder to find Like Chrome Companies and anything else with Toxic Chemicals the last car i Restored it cost me a fortune in shipping i wouldn’t mind Trailering things personally for long distances
Incredible work, I just cant believe that will be a running car again one day.
That is the finest 914 I've seen in decades, truly worthy of such a professional strip-down job. Hopefully, the customer will rebuild it with equal professionalism.
They went out of their way to get the car chemically stripped to the metal. It's not a cheap treatment, so I think they're willing to spend a lot of money, which should be, at least in theory, a point for their will to have a "done right" job
Ein wildes Gestrahle exaktes Arbeiten geht anderst
The result looks so good.
I'm curious as to what you do just before it leaves your shop to stop flash rusting of that lovely shiny metal . Do you prime it?
Great tub! That'll make a nice 914!
Brings back memories, I bought my 914 in 1972 off the showroom floor and kept it for about 30 years. Loved that car, wish I could have kept it, but I didn't have the money at the time to do the needed body work and engine repairs. The car had the usual 914 troubles, rusted battery tray, rocker panels and shifting linkage problems. Best of luck to you in your life's calling.
I forgot about the shifter, that was a mess.
Pro tip for removing the floor soundproofing pads, crush a bunch of dry ice and spread it on top and let sit for 10 minutes minimum. The soundprouf material becomes brittle and scrapes off in big chunks with a putty knife. A job this size would take less than two pounds of dry ice but should ideally be splt into two (left/right) sectons larger vehicles four or more.
Very interesting thanks for sharing
Nice video 👍🏻
How you prevent any new rust on the surface after cleaning with the pressure washer?
Read the description.
Смотрю Ваши ролики. Спасибо. Очень интересно. Хо елось бы увидеть эти машины восстановленными. Спасибо.
Looking good 👍
that's the cleanest I've ever seen.
Beautiful! My aunt had one of these when i was a kid. Great car but they had a very bad reputation regarding corrosion. She had to give it up as the frame was so rusted it did not get the “TÜV” (Mot) - and welding frame parts is not allowed here in Germany 😅. Great work! Thanks! 👍✌️
Oh man that stinks, I’m sorry to hear that. Thank you! I appreciate you watching!
@@minute_of_dangle Thank YOU for sharing your vids. Very satisfying! 🤩🫶
Till Tüv do us part
@@fabiankonrath2804 “Mindestens haltbar bis: siehe Bodenblech”
@@kaidzaack2520mein Opa kannte den Spruch von seinem Seat Toledo. Als der tüv Prüfer einfach mit nem Schraubendreher durch den Unterboden durchgehauen hat wars vorbei 😂
That joker in the acid nearly had me piss myself laughing. Thanks for the humor.
To remove the poly sound proofing from Porsche and Mercedes I spread a plastic garbage bag on the floor above the sound proofing ,then I pour dry ice onto that . The sound proofing goes really hard and a few smacks with a nylon hammer shatters it,making it easy to vacuum out. Under the car is the same process with the cars rotated on a rotisserie.
Awesome video!
So satisfying!!!
that little Joker figurine in the acid bth had me rolling
very intersting to see this process done. a 914 seems to be a bold choice as most i've seen would have so much rot it wouldn't be worth the trouble to restore. Of course that's true for a lot of cars.
Kind of looks like my old 74 914-6. Wish I still had it. It was a pretty quick car for the time period it was made with the 110 hp 2.0L. It was a bit temperamental at times; particularly with the AC that was shoehorned in the car and the fuel injection. Ditched the fuel injection since it was a POS and put on some Weber carbs. However, I did keep the fuel injection and it went with the car when I sold it. Electrical issues were always present with those funky little fuses.
Where is this car from not very rusty compared to some I’ve seen it still has floors which is amazing
Will there not stay a lot of acid residue in the inclosed spots where it can't be washed out???
need to schedule mine to be done. just need to brace and weld in some donor metal. whats turn around time. how far out you booking?
That's cool stuff. Thanks for sharing.
The dippers I used in NorCal made me remove all the seam sealer and sound deadner!!
What would be the total cost for this vehicle's treatment?
Strangely satisfying to watch.
I love watching your videos. Especially Porsches! Where are you located?
Hey after you dipp it do you put something on it to stop flash rust.
Yep it’s submerged in a water based rust inhibitor
3100 is a great price. I stripped mine down bare metal last year. I used sanders, scrapers, grinders, wire wheels, foam sanding pads, heat guns and about 40 other items. But no chemical strippers. A few hundred hours at least. Never again! What city are you guys in?
About how long does it take you to do each stage of the pressure wash? Also do you shop vac the standing water out of areas before it goes back in the dip?
First washes after alkaline can take from 20-45 min. After all the paints gone and we are working on rust it takes an 1-1.5hrs. It varies greatly on a lot of factors like clearcoat, bondo, undercoating, etc.
I only shop vac when it’s going to be switching chemicals. I’ll shop vac prior to washing if there’s chemical in the floor. One of the reasons I don’t pressure wash from the top down is because all the water settles in the floor and causes me more work because I lose visibility of the floor panels. I usually start from the inside out to avoid that issue.
@@minute_of_dangle Thx for the feed back.
How soaking wet are you after spraying the shells down? Or are you in a "clean/dry suit" I know when I pressure wash my patio, I am soaked head to toe.
in theroy could you then dip the entire car into chrome?
This looks fun
I learned how to drive a stick in my dad’s 914. That car was a blast.
❤❤❤ awesome
It makes me wince. The dip is amazing the car is amazing. But wow does the work start now :o) Glad I’m not the one making panels and welding them in without causing distortion ;p)
Nice job, you goit it nicely stripped. Do you jetwash the chemicals off inside the sills? How do you repaint inside the cavities to prevent it rusting inside those? Do you dip in paint or zinc after?
Thanks! Most of our customers get the whole car Ecoated after. They submerge the whole car and it coats everything. We flush everything out with a rust inhibitor after
I have NO IDEA why I watch these video!!! But I will watch everyone one of them and enjoy each of them,,,,, Maybe its time for me to seek help??????
Thank you. Very nice job! Looks like a four cylinder
this job looks like fun ❤
I used to be a printer on an old school web press and you have to get used to the smell of chemicals, all day long.
Have you ever dipped a Datsun 510? What happens to the inner areas that you cant get paint. Are they now more prone to rust?
Wonder if you can paint it that way?
Curious where all the chemicals and paint go after they go through the drain.
We have a pit under the washbay that’s separate from our sewer drainage. The runoff is collected there. We then pump it out into evaporation tanks that have heat exchangers to evaporate all the water out of it. What’s left is a neutral sludge. We then pay a company who specializes in chemical waste disposal to dispose of it properly for us. We just got a giant filter press to speed up the process
The Joker and Roger Rabbit, nice little hint 😁
Last couple of these I've seen were broken in half in a junkyard. Ever had a car break like that in the bath?
This was really cool to see.
Please suggest the chemical used in this dip, country i live in dont have access to this
Please help
It would be fun to see the 'After' photo of restoration.
Where is your shop located? I have searched but couldn't figure it out.
Love the joker sitting in the acid bath lmao
Great shape for a 914
Great video!
Thank you! I’m glad you liked it!
Another thing. I've restored a ton of Porsches, dry ice and a hammer is the fastest way to remove the floor tar. Just tap tap tap to break it all up when it's frozen, then vacuum it out. WAY easier than a heat gun or a wire wheel. Also, before stripping, I'd spend half an hour with some 36 grit sandpaper breaking the paint film with scratches, then 99% of it would come off first pass.
I heard of that fry ice trick. I’ll have to try it. I do sand the cars before they go in the tank.
What happens if you get a car or truck that's been undercoated or has a sprayed in bedliner material, etc?
Super, svp
.. ou êtes vous?
.. j'ai une 914 6 GT a décaper, il y des ailes en fibre de verre, C'EST POSSIBLE AUSSI AVEC DES PARTIES CARROSSERIE EN FIBRE DE VERRE??
Merci
That's in better condition than my 914 was in 1984.
I remember pre corona there was a guy who would tell you his prices for dipping and it was 2-3k. Has it gone up a lot?
It would be cool if you could get pix of the completed projects you've worked on from your customers!!
No flap discs were harmed in the making of this video 🤣 Seeing this process is deeply satisfying - one day I hope to dip my 1972 Spitfire, though I expect not much may be left of it 😢
How much does this normally cost to get done?
How much does a process like this typically cost?
body looks to be in good condition overall. I look forward to seeing the completed look since you've work to such a low level.
amazing. its in pretty good shape isnt it?
The joker loves😂 the acid bath
was that the joker in the acid bath? 🤣
Yep lol
Not bad at all. Its a shame they are going to have to open up the rockers to replace the heater tubes they look solid.
Класс, а какую кислоту и деактиватор кислоты вы используете? И как часто происходит замена кислоты и деактиватора в ванной?
Unfortunately I’m not allowed to say. I don’t own the company and it’s their proprietary chemical. Alkaline can be spiked so it can last a while. We had a tank last 4-5years once. Acid maybe lasts 2 yrs
A little more and 300k subscribers! ;-)
I have been watching your channel for a long time while contemplating taking my 914 to you. Mine is in not the best shape, so i am worried how much will be left!
june 2024 good job, minimal rust relatively on that Karmann body