You can also think of it like... Do you want to play against paladins or with them. Do you want to play with shamans or against them. Would you rather stomp on gnomes or orcs?
Спасибо за гайды. Ты один из немногих, кто так детально освещает интересные мне аспекты игры за друида. В классике буду играть за ферала, сейчас сижу и перевожу твои видео. Thx man, i appreciate you did for us.
Planning to go Druid in Classic. I’ve never played it b4. The plethora of info out there advising me against has given me pause. Your videos have given me hope and inspiration. My feet are currently off the fence I’m determined to be the “jack of all” in Classic. Thanks for the helpful info!
The problem seems to be in classic they started out quiet poor and no one really knew how to implement them in raids as anything but mana batteries, other classes are just better. Then we got the private servers where, well Druids are just not part of raids, they have been min/maxed out of it. Sounds bad... well not really, because even though everyone reads these how to / best / guides etc.. the reality is most guilds will need reliable players, most guilds will not be full time progression guilds, server first, min/maxers - so outside of that Druids can and do find their space, and they are probably the most fun to play.
@@akhsdenlew1861 Despite not being usable during combat, I'd still argue that its one of the best racial abilities in the game simply for the fact that it allows you to get your mana back between pulls or after death. Having the ability to start a fight at your own terms is a massive advantage that shouldn't be dismissed. It's also on a short 10 second cooldown, you'll always find that it's available when you need it.
@@Aragashia Right....now let's compare shadowmeld with the best racial abilitys ( passive or active) on each race, and let's see if it's better. StoneForm, Definetly not better than that. Gnome's removal of slow/immobilize, definetly not better than that. Humans have too many racials that are better than shadowmeld, like mace spec, sword spec, 10% rep boost and premedition. Now let's go to the horde side. Is shadowmeld better than war stomb? absolutly not. Is it better than Will of the forsaken? Hell nope. Is it better than 25% stun resist/blood fury? WHAT THE FUCK Is it better than berserk? Ofc not.. berserk is actually a dps boost. Let's face it...NES racial can be fun, it can come in handy sometimes but it's not actually GOOD like the rest. The rest have a very good and viable use.
@@akhsdenlew1861 you forget that it adds 1 level to stealth.. so you always get to open on other stealthies(which, in turn, takes away their opening and a lot of their dps). Is it better than other racials? Nah. But it isn't as bad as you make it out to be.
Great video as always, you really make me consider playing drood on classic :) I guess you already know this but one thing about crowd pummeler on horde side : you can take the boat from ratchet to booty bay and get the tp for gnomeregan, which make the way not that long imo but ofc alliance is still better for this.
ebbn u should do a vid for useful items you can get while leveling in wow as a druid. smites hammer, wsg boots, gnome pants, arathi trinket along with neck and Cloak quest. I feel these vids are really gona blow up once classic is officially launched. also idols for druid. the one from brd and strath. it's crazy how many 60 druids I see who dont have a idol equipped
HI Ebbn! You forgot to mention the "passive" portion of Shadowmeld. This means NE druids can either enter a deeper level of stealth or spend less points on Feral Instinct (with regards to being detected) which has some niche uses. However hands down the biggest reason to go horde over alliance for druid (regarding PVP) is paladins vs shamans. When choosing a faction / class I always consider "Do I want more of my debuffs removed or more of my buffs" this alone is why I would NEVER play a night elf druid.
Ahh yes I did forget the passive effect!! Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah the shaman/paladin is a huge part of classic and why horde and alliance are so different when it comes to PvP.
Thanks for making this video... I too was pondering this myself. at the PvPHenhouse...you can cross faction change in an instant and I was able to try out both horde and alliance druids. 1.Horde @lvl 60 you get 600 health when you go into bear form which also gets boosted by your racial as a tauren enemies to deal with: paladins (either race) and gnomes...gnomes have a 1min root escape called escape artist which will get on your nerves if you are banking on that space your wanting to create with your cc pros: dont have to deal with shamans and orc race in general resisting your stuns if you role a resto spec with omen of clarity and are auto attacking the mobs to get it to proc...if you have a shammy putting down windfury totem...this will help out immensely grom gol and zepplins are the best mode of transportation...also I always notice alliance flightmasters getting ganked a lot more than on horde side Ally Having paladins on your side mean your more than likely gonna have Blessing of Kings which is 10% to all stats which is nice The shaman isn't that scary especially if you are balance or resto spec since you can run away and heal quite easily(+15% speed in some animal forms with 3pcs of pvp set) The shaman will place down their totems which cost quite a bit of mana compared to your rank 1 moonfire pros: paladin seals are excellent...seal of wisdom or light will grant you health or mana in any of your forms shadowmeld is very good for hiding out and taking a quick bio break and not getting ganked in plain sight You can even shadowmeld in moonkin form(no judgement here) cons: dealing with orcs in general will be a pain if you rely on your stun in bear form as your get out of jail free card no zeppelins and the flights for alliance are terrible imo...no real easy way to get to dire maul, ulduman is a bit of a stretch too, sunken temple is an adventure, etc... summary: more often than not I am biased towards wanting those blessings on my side(especially blessing of wisdom-which when talented 2/2 gives 36 mp5) vs. having a full resto shaman having to put down his mana tide just for me I will have to suck it up and deal with not have zepplins and more well thought out flight paths on horde side vs. alliance can't complain about getting blown up by windfury if I let any horde get too close But the biggest deal breaker for me is shadowmeld. I know this is classic but in BC, me and my brother got to glad in S2 and it was all b/c of shadowmeld that we were able to have the upper hand on many of those fights...can't tell you how nice it is to drink and go invis and take a little breather. shadowmeld also makes your stealth in cat form harder to detect which is something that both rogues and druids usually have to put several talent points into moreover, the pvp gloves for druids grant minor stealth detection which coupled with the benefits of being a night elf with that increased stealth means you will see any untalented rogue or druid from a healthy distance and be able to get the jump on them on horde you will be competing gear wise with enh shammys and ele shammys for some items on alliance, ret paladins or spelladins will want some of your loot too P.S. everyone that has played a Tauren (me included) can't overstate how impactful war stomp can be.... but there are obviously more things to consider long term. Horde will have an easier time end game raiding content because you'll be as good as your shamans which they will only be getting better Alliance do use blessing of salvation as a crutch sometimes and boss fights can take a little longer(especially without Windfury) From my personal experience..horde has been more laid back and more apt to PvP whereas alliance can at times come off as a bit entitled(maybe because of the ret prio in the air) All in all...its a great discussion to have and one that I am glad I finally found some clarity after playing and considering both factions today...
Meh.. pretty sure Alliance has always had the advantage in PvE, and Horde in PvP... idk why your server was different. Warstomp is a nonfactor in endgame raiding, good only in pvp really. So it just depends on what you do.. pve definitely favors alli, though. Always has.
@@fudgefudge8913 Gotcha. I really just wanted to highlight the faction interaction that can impact your final decision. For me being able to be in the shadows while drinking made me feel less pressure and allowed me to engage or not on my own terms... I was usually not the focus target because I'd play a blind spot and would engage when everyone was really focused on someone else... When a warrior charges in one way.. And the healers are committed.. No one is really staying back to necessarily peel for them.. This isn't overwatch : )
apparently you're not going to want to be playing oomkin though, in any situation, untill well into end game gear which is then superior. correct me if im wrong.
I'll probably roll a druid at some point for classicfor wpvp. I think it sounds fun to run around a place like stv in stealth and heal allies saving them from a gank, by the time the enemy even knows I'm there my ally will be healed
With night elf female i had the advantage on k3 farming dmn. You could hide in a corner and because hitbox is small the 2 ogres won't see you blow up the door with engi which saved money because i never needed invisibility potions. Also while flag running i found out that the female night elf hitbox can make jumps easier then cow. Warstomp is nice tho.
Blessings from paladins are also a huge factor since youre not always in a group with a shaman. 10% more stats, Blessing of Wisdom and the threat wisdom are huge in pve. In addition to that, tauren start with 75 less mana as a druid compared to nightelf. Fully bis nightelf resto druids might have up to 1k more mana than tauren resto druids in lategame. Thats half a flask
You didn't really touch on how shadowmeld increases your stealth level. In my opnion this makes them the superior wsg flag runners. In the meta evey team should have a rogue defending and if you are a night elf druid you will never lose the jump to horde rogues if you come with catseye goggles. stealthed drink, higher stealth level, and improved dodge > 5% hp and a stun with a cast time. This is just my opinion, great video and go druid!
I don't think I understand you. At 2:30 you start talking about Shadowmeld, and how it can only be used out of combat. But then go you on to say it can be used to drop combat to drink? I thought you just said it couldn't be used in combat, so how would it be able to drop combat?
Great videos :-) It's such a shame for Tauren Feral Druids, because Grace of Air totem gives significantly more DPS for Feral than Blessing of Kings does. So you'll have to be lucky enough to get into a group with a Shaman who TotemTwists. Either that or, yeah...play Alliance. Also, great point about how Manual Crowd Pummelers are easier farmed for Alliance than for Horde. I hadn't thought of that. Shadowmeld gives 1 extra Stealthlevel, making Nightelf Feral Druids the dominant player in all Stealthduels except for if playing against a Human, but then that's only in duels anyway, so. I love Shadowmeld, it's so versatile. Like Shadowmeld+Drink then Catform+Restealth all in one motion so you do not show up on the enemy screen at all and the enemy player still thinking youre sitting over there somewhere all while you are stealthing up for a new opener. Good times ^_^. But I would probably also choose Warstomp if I had to choose between the two. But they are both great fun and so versatile. I would personally rather fight against Shamans than having to deal with Prot/Ret or Prot/Holy Paladins Reckbombing me to pieces honestly. Especially with the new Meta and how it's become common for Paladins to PvP with Proc on Hit effects like Shadow Oil and Lifesteal and sometimes Dragonbreath Chili, Maelstrom Trinket, Wyrmthalak Trinket, inherent weapon proc effect, together with Reckoning, Seal of Righteousness and spelldamage plate, Reckoning Pallies have become a complete nightmare to fight. I frankly think the only way to beat a Reckoning Paladin as Druid is to just stand still and tank the Paladin while in Moonkin form and with Barkskin on, and *only* spam Starfire and hope for dear life that Starfire does not crit and that the Paladin hasn't been critted by someone else beforehand. Either that or stay outside of Hammer of Justice range with Travel form while spamming the Paladin with Moonfire. But if I get caught in a stun, I'm dead after having given the Paladin Moonfire crits. Reckoning Paladins are savage against Druids. Seems almost impossible to me unless you for some lucky reason don't crit the Paladin at all. And Tanking the Paladin in Bear form is out of the question as the Paladin will outlast the Druid and Outdps the Druid as a big part of their DPS doesn't get mitigated by Armor. And Cat form crits too much and is too squishy when caught in a Hammer of Justice. Against Warlocks, there is a Trinket in Blacksmithing that makes you immune to Fear for 30 seconds, making you able to just burst the Lock down with the Powershift combo unhindered. Also, having a Shadow Resist set hotkeyd makes it so easy.
That Blacksmithing trinket would be great if it wasn't restricted to Blacksmiths only. Having Blacksmith just for this trinket isn't worth it imo, unless you're in a position where you don't have to worry about gold making I guess.
@@VictusPrime It's so good against both Shadow Priests, Warlocks and even Warriors, that I'd consider it close to a must for max pvp, like Engineering. But goldmaking is easy enough as a Druid anyway what with AoE farming Dire Maul East doable. And you can always have an Alt like a Mage for the goldmaking.
@@VictusPrime Also, Blacksmithing is the cheap way to "enchant" all those Manual Crowd Pummelers that you have to farm as Feral, as an actual enchant will be too expensive for that weapon effect, but with Blacksmithing you can cheaply get extra attack speed on each Pummeler. So it's a good choice for several reasons.
I'm confused, you are saying that shadowmeld only can be used out of combat, but then continues with; shadowmeld can be useful in world pvp, because it makes you drop combat. But how is it possible to drop combat, if you can't use it IN combat?? I don't get it. 2:29
A note on Tauren racial 5%hp. It´s total hp and not stam which means it´s very impactful for tanking. An alliance bear tank with kings buff will still have less hp then an unbuffed Tauren! xD The sad thing is that paladins are the most broken class in classic (in terms of op shit they have). An alliance bear will have nearly the same hp (with kings buff) and +1% dodge.
If I recall. The health gain from taurens is base health not total. Also nature resist affects poisons. They are counted as spells. Many videos of spell power rouge's. Anyway nice vid. Best of luck.
Hi I am planning of rolling a feral druid for PVE. This video helps me, but what about threat? I heard that druid tanks create more threat than a warrior on a single target. Horde also has more threat problems due to missing paladin buffs. So shouldnt that be a bonus for horde druid tanks?
I have played horde druid for 3 vanilla privet servers, and have never played an alliance toon. However I feel like being crazy this time around and try Moonkin. (yeah I know...) So i feel alliance would have the better of it with BoW, and BoK and might be a little more sought after due to H Paladins... But I do love Tauren, and horde, and Warstomp... Thoughts?
Night Elves having a considerably smaller hit box are better at kitting and flag carrying. Id say overall its pretty even and the only thing that really matters is wheter you prefer horde or alliance
Might be worth noting on the active abilities for both races for people who've never played Vanilla WoW before in comparison to modern WoW. Tauren Druids can't use Warstomp while in any form like in retail, it's only usable while in caster form. And the Night Elf racial Shadowmeld has a 10 second cooldown, and as mentioned in the video only usable out of combat. Interesting note on Shadowmeld, in the very early stages of Vanilla (prior to patch 1.10 I believe), it was actually possible to cast any ability while Shadowmelded and you'd remain stealthed until the ability was completed. This made Shadowmeld incredibly useful as you'd imagine, but unfortunately Blizzard thought this was too OP and it was nerfed into oblivion. It still has its uses, but I'd say it's the weakest active racial ability in Vanilla.
dont alliiance raids take an extra resto druid due to not having an burst healer? So 3 instead of two, where horde take tons of shamans. Not sure, just asking.
shadowmeld is the best racial trait … placing you out of combat either you pvp or pve is one of the best racials you can hope for … is incredible for any compatible class you might choose … too bad I play horde :D
Ebbn u know if there are any cosmetic consumables (like the undead elixir from tanaris) that u can use and keep active regardless of shapesifting? I wanted to play druid but i hate so much big character models like taurens and my friends wanna roll on horde side :(( In a private server i had no problem due to model editing and tmorph but in retail :((
For PVP, Horde have a quick cast stun in caster form vs Alliance 1% more dodge, a permanent +1 rank higher prowl, and can also drink in stealth. HP bonus really only amounts to a couple hundred hp at lvl 60 so doesn't matter too much imo. Negatives for horde is the larger hit box radius due to tauren and alliance have to deal with shamans, which are SUPER hard counters to druid when played right. For PVE, Alliance blessings are hands down better for druids (plus your not getting sham buffs period due to worriors/rogues needing windfury). Alliance bears have more HP, cats have more AP/Crt, healers have more mana/MP5, etc. Sorry but for druids, going alliance is objectively the better choice for both PVE and PVP. The only real negative for alliance druids are shamans, but as a druid you can literally just run away from any fight you don't like.
Druid premade pvp healer seems to have a big advantage as it only competes with resto shaman (which is very rare) and priest for spots, whereas paladin is a big competition on alliance side. (Overall as there is less heal on horde side the heal a hybrid druid provides seems more valuable on average.)
Great video! I would just comment that shadowmeld + drinking is super useful in PvP situations. I don’t know if it makes NE better, but it has a lot world PvP utility!
The only problem with being a Tauren Druid is that you're surrounded by the kinds of people who roll *other* Horde toons... You know, the sort who think it's edgy and cool to be villains...
Druid Question. Mark of Tyranny Eye of the Beast Blackhand's Breadth Tyranny seems irreplaceable but is there trinkets that are better than Eye of the Beast and Blackhand's Breadth for other specs?
shadowmelt is insanly good in pvp. you can dodge fear with it, if you know the mage wants to counterspell you, he runs to you well just press it and he can do nothing, warrior wants to charge you, press it and he cant charge you ...list is endless. if you are more careless tauren is the better choice as its a oh shit button :)
That would work.... If this was WOTLK, but it's not. In Vanilla Shadowmeld has a 10 sec cd and it's only usable out of combat. Now you can do that with a Hunter, Feign death and cast Shadowmeld.
In wotlk you can use Shadowmeld to disappear from casters target when casting on you and he must target you again. Its very helpful too. Its possible on vanilla?
I´m not sure what to play in classic (in terms of faction) I played alli from BC to wrath and horde up until Legion. I don´t dislike Tauren but i always play Orc on Horde side.
Yeah its a hard call. I would go with the faction that you enjoy the zones and cities, as that is a big portion of the game. In the end both night elf and tauren are fairly close!
You probably wanna bring around 3-5. I'd say bring at least 5 though as you have to take into account the possibility of wiping during the raid. More wipes = more Pummelers needed.
If I were able to choose I would play a human druid with tauren racials, thus eliminating both obstacles of having to role a bipedal cow or closet homosexual.
@@kensaccount9133 Dainty feminine pushover? Do you not know Night Elf lore at all? Lol, they are brutal af. Also, look at the size them! They're between 6.5 and 7.5 feet tall and rugged build.
sucks I love horde but my brother who I mainly play with is talking about rolling Paladin in classic... and the thought of a night elf druid just ehh doesn't do it for me. rather be a chincy night elf hunter in av lol. gotta change his mind some how.
I wish horde had better quests. But they dont, thats the only reason why i go alli. So many exciting stories there. :) and your videos are really forcing me to play druid lol :D still not sure if rogue or druid will win.. :/
@@Ebbnflow ye the versatility is great, i like the stealth on both so you can choose when to open combat in pvp or avoid pvp completely by hiding. druid can heal himself, has travel form or speed boost in cat.. rogue has pick pocket for gold farm in dungeons and pick lock. i really don't know :D
@@thepedofiles5042 1% dodge chance is nothing and the chance of dodging a hit, that would critically strike makes it even lower. Like ye dodging 1 crit due to the 1% is super worth it and outscales the 5% hp but the downside on that is, it might not occure once xd. 5% hp is useful all the time and the 1% dodge chance occures like 1 time more in 100 attacks xd. So yknow what i mean? I d rather grab consistent lottery wins on a low value, than the 0.0001% chance on the big win xd
But you can also drink in cat form invis, or in vanilla it's not working like that? Although, going to cat form is gcd+manacost to shapeshift + breaking mp5. Regards to Shadowmeld drinking.
Its a harder matchup, need to rely on healing touch since your hots will be purged, and the shaman can just interupt your ht cast. So you need to kite them pretty well and let them oom. You can trick them with r1 rejuvenation so they spend mana purging and oom faster. Also r1 moonfire to destroy totems
If you are truely min maxing for 🐻 tauren is superior. Tauren as a race has higher stamina and strength. Combined with strength bonus you get from picking druid you top out at a higher base damage and much higher health pool. Night elves do start with the highest agility which is the only reason they are even comparable. However night elfs two lowest stats are stamina and strength which is just bad for threat and survival reasons. Nice video i will personally be playing tauren (for the horde).
The answer is simple: If you want to be horde, play tauren, if you want to be alliance, pick night elf.
It's more simple - don't play druid
@@PaRaNoYaization lmao kk
You can also think of it like... Do you want to play against paladins or with them.
Do you want to play with shamans or against them.
Would you rather stomp on gnomes or orcs?
I want to be alliance thought as i always was, but like Tauren much more lore and look wise
You’ve been cranking up these videos. Awesome job, keep up the good work !!!
Yeah trying to get some good content out before classic! We've got to keep the hype alive!!
Спасибо за гайды. Ты один из немногих, кто так детально освещает интересные мне аспекты игры за друида. В классике буду играть за ферала, сейчас сижу и перевожу твои видео. Thx man, i appreciate you did for us.
Maybe a video on Druid specs for specific activities PvP and PvE..? Feral/Balance/Resto/Hybrid Builds? Keep it up, digging the channel.
Planning to go Druid in Classic. I’ve never played it b4. The plethora of info out there advising me against has given me pause. Your videos have given me hope and inspiration. My feet are currently off the fence I’m determined to be the “jack of all” in Classic. Thanks for the helpful info!
Of course Campeon, glad you enjoy the videos. Druids are amazing in so many ways!!
The problem seems to be in classic they started out quiet poor and no one really knew how to implement them in raids as anything but mana batteries, other classes are just better. Then we got the private servers where, well Druids are just not part of raids, they have been min/maxed out of it. Sounds bad... well not really, because even though everyone reads these how to / best / guides etc.. the reality is most guilds will need reliable players, most guilds will not be full time progression guilds, server first, min/maxers - so outside of that Druids can and do find their space, and they are probably the most fun to play.
I main a rogue , made a Druid alt during those times of raid logging with buffs haha. Loving these videos. Currently lvl 30 haha. Great work!
Tauren is just better cus warstomb is just too good.. especially for druids.
But the cat form of night elf is just so much better looking.
Kitty horns are the plug
@@archaontheeverchosen7980 Shadowmeld is probably the worst racial in vanila... can't be used in combat.. get ur facts straight
@@akhsdenlew1861 Despite not being usable during combat, I'd still argue that its one of the best racial abilities in the game simply for the fact that it allows you to get your mana back between pulls or after death. Having the ability to start a fight at your own terms is a massive advantage that shouldn't be dismissed. It's also on a short 10 second cooldown, you'll always find that it's available when you need it.
@@Aragashia Right....now let's compare shadowmeld with the best racial abilitys ( passive or active) on each race, and let's see if it's better.
StoneForm, Definetly not better than that.
Gnome's removal of slow/immobilize, definetly not better than that.
Humans have too many racials that are better than shadowmeld, like mace spec, sword spec, 10% rep boost and premedition.
Now let's go to the horde side.
Is shadowmeld better than war stomb? absolutly not.
Is it better than Will of the forsaken?
Hell nope.
Is it better than 25% stun resist/blood fury?
WHAT THE FUCK
Is it better than berserk?
Ofc not.. berserk is actually a dps boost.
Let's face it...NES racial can be fun, it can come in handy sometimes but it's not actually GOOD like the rest.
The rest have a very good and viable use.
@@akhsdenlew1861 you forget that it adds 1 level to stealth.. so you always get to open on other stealthies(which, in turn, takes away their opening and a lot of their dps). Is it better than other racials? Nah. But it isn't as bad as you make it out to be.
Great video as always, you really make me consider playing drood on classic :) I guess you already know this but one thing about crowd pummeler on horde side : you can take the boat from ratchet to booty bay and get the tp for gnomeregan, which make the way not that long imo but ofc alliance is still better for this.
war stomp is the coolest racial in the game, too bad you have to role a literal cow to get it.
Tauren are the master race, bite your fuckin tongue!
Keep the vids coming mate! Awesome content!
Thanks Tinely, glad you enjoy it!
Best druid content maker by far. Knows his stuff.
Thanks for the kind words Honovi!
ebbn u should do a vid for useful items you can get while leveling in wow as a druid. smites hammer, wsg boots, gnome pants, arathi trinket along with neck and Cloak quest. I feel these vids are really gona blow up once classic is officially launched. also idols for druid. the one from brd and strath. it's crazy how many 60 druids I see who dont have a idol equipped
Good points. I'll have to do that! Thanks for the ideas
Now the real question, male or female Tauren?
Male ofc
both are great.
@@samacvuk Yeah I like how even as Female you dwarf other races, Tauren have always been my personal favourite race
@@garyc2630 Tauren ftw, big strong peaceful plainswalkers
@@xperiahenrik real hardcore masteracing stuff ahaahaha
Been asking myself these questions all week.
Haha, glad it was something you were thinking about!!
HI Ebbn! You forgot to mention the "passive" portion of Shadowmeld. This means NE druids can either enter a deeper level of stealth or spend less points on Feral Instinct (with regards to being detected) which has some niche uses.
However hands down the biggest reason to go horde over alliance for druid (regarding PVP) is paladins vs shamans. When choosing a faction / class I always consider "Do I want more of my debuffs removed or more of my buffs" this alone is why I would NEVER play a night elf druid.
Ahh yes I did forget the passive effect!! Thanks for pointing that out. Yeah the shaman/paladin is a huge part of classic and why horde and alliance are so different when it comes to PvP.
Thanks for making this video... I too was pondering this myself.
at the PvPHenhouse...you can cross faction change in an instant and I was able to try out both horde and alliance druids.
1.Horde
@lvl 60 you get 600 health when you go into bear form which also gets boosted by your racial as a tauren
enemies to deal with: paladins (either race) and gnomes...gnomes have a 1min root escape called escape artist which will get on your nerves if you are banking on that space your wanting to create with your cc
pros: dont have to deal with shamans and orc race in general resisting your stuns
if you role a resto spec with omen of clarity and are auto attacking the mobs to get it to proc...if you have a shammy putting down windfury totem...this will help out immensely
grom gol and zepplins are the best mode of transportation...also I always notice alliance flightmasters getting ganked a lot more than on horde side
Ally
Having paladins on your side mean your more than likely gonna have Blessing of Kings which is 10% to all stats which is nice
The shaman isn't that scary especially if you are balance or resto spec since you can run away and heal quite easily(+15% speed in some animal forms with 3pcs of pvp set)
The shaman will place down their totems which cost quite a bit of mana compared to your rank 1 moonfire
pros: paladin seals are excellent...seal of wisdom or light will grant you health or mana in any of your forms
shadowmeld is very good for hiding out and taking a quick bio break and not getting ganked in plain sight
You can even shadowmeld in moonkin form(no judgement here)
cons: dealing with orcs in general will be a pain if you rely on your stun in bear form as your get out of jail free card
no zeppelins and the flights for alliance are terrible imo...no real easy way to get to dire maul, ulduman is a bit of a stretch too, sunken temple is an adventure, etc...
summary: more often than not I am biased towards wanting those blessings on my side(especially blessing of wisdom-which when talented 2/2 gives 36 mp5) vs. having a full resto shaman having to put down his mana tide just for me
I will have to suck it up and deal with not have zepplins and more well thought out flight paths on horde side vs. alliance
can't complain about getting blown up by windfury if I let any horde get too close
But the biggest deal breaker for me is shadowmeld.
I know this is classic but in BC, me and my brother got to glad in S2 and it was all b/c of shadowmeld that we were able to have the upper hand on many of those fights...can't tell you how nice it is to drink and go invis and take a little breather.
shadowmeld also makes your stealth in cat form harder to detect which is something that both rogues and druids usually have to put several talent points into
moreover, the pvp gloves for druids grant minor stealth detection which coupled with the benefits of being a night elf with that increased stealth means you will see any untalented rogue or druid from a healthy distance and be able to get the jump on them
on horde you will be competing gear wise with enh shammys and ele shammys for some items
on alliance, ret paladins or spelladins will want some of your loot too
P.S. everyone that has played a Tauren (me included) can't overstate how impactful war stomp can be.... but there are obviously more things to consider long term.
Horde will have an easier time end game raiding content because you'll be as good as your shamans which they will only be getting better
Alliance do use blessing of salvation as a crutch sometimes and boss fights can take a little longer(especially without Windfury)
From my personal experience..horde has been more laid back and more apt to PvP whereas alliance can at times come off as a bit entitled(maybe because of the ret prio in the air)
All in all...its a great discussion to have and one that I am glad I finally found some clarity after playing and considering both factions today...
Meh.. pretty sure Alliance has always had the advantage in PvE, and Horde in PvP... idk why your server was different. Warstomp is a nonfactor in endgame raiding, good only in pvp really. So it just depends on what you do.. pve definitely favors alli, though. Always has.
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Gotcha. I really just wanted to highlight the faction interaction that can impact your final decision. For me being able to be in the shadows while drinking made me feel less pressure and allowed me to engage or not on my own terms... I was usually not the focus target because I'd play a blind spot and would engage when everyone was really focused on someone else... When a warrior charges in one way.. And the healers are committed.. No one is really staying back to necessarily peel for them.. This isn't overwatch : )
@@avargs3505 Rolling a NE hunter and using shadowmeld in pvp.. super fun times if you ever think of making an alt class. ;D
Fun fact:
You can use your racial while in Moonkin form.
That means eating, drinking, and stealthing all while in Boomkin
I knew you could warstomp in moonkin, but shadowmeld in moonkin is actually super strong!
apparently you're not going to want to be playing oomkin though, in any situation, untill well into end game gear which is then superior. correct me if im wrong.
@@whiskizyo2067 Yeah, Boomkin only starts to become viable after AQ comes out.
I'll probably roll a druid at some point for classicfor wpvp. I think it sounds fun to run around a place like stv in stealth and heal allies saving them from a gank, by the time the enemy even knows I'm there my ally will be healed
You forgot that shadowmeld increases your effective stealth level in cat as well.
Yes, thanks for pointing that out! also very useful!!
With night elf female i had the advantage on k3 farming dmn. You could hide in a corner and because hitbox is small the 2 ogres won't see you blow up the door with engi which saved money because i never needed invisibility potions. Also while flag running i found out that the female night elf hitbox can make jumps easier then cow. Warstomp is nice tho.
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Blessings from paladins are also a huge factor since youre not always in a group with a shaman. 10% more stats, Blessing of Wisdom and the threat wisdom are huge in pve. In addition to that, tauren start with 75 less mana as a druid compared to nightelf. Fully bis nightelf resto druids might have up to 1k more mana than tauren resto druids in lategame. Thats half a flask
You didn't really touch on how shadowmeld increases your stealth level. In my opnion this makes them the superior wsg flag runners. In the meta evey team should have a rogue defending and if you are a night elf druid you will never lose the jump to horde rogues if you come with catseye goggles. stealthed drink, higher stealth level, and improved dodge > 5% hp and a stun with a cast time. This is just my opinion, great video and go druid!
Im new to this channel, are you soley focused on druid? Or perhaps also mage? :)
Nice videos dude keep up the grind
How's the increased Hitbox for Tauren? is it a factor in PVP? :)
Nelf of course coz nice kitty cat.
True :)
@Brian lol
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I don't think I understand you. At 2:30 you start talking about Shadowmeld, and how it can only be used out of combat. But then go you on to say it can be used to drop combat to drink? I thought you just said it couldn't be used in combat, so how would it be able to drop combat?
I think he meant once you've dropped combat you can drink while Shadowmelded, which is a useful trick.
Great video! I feel that horde druid is superior, becouse rune of the guard captain fills the missing hit in early pve tier.
Great videos :-)
It's such a shame for Tauren Feral Druids, because Grace of Air totem gives significantly more DPS for Feral than Blessing of Kings does. So you'll have to be lucky enough to get into a group with a Shaman who TotemTwists. Either that or, yeah...play Alliance. Also, great point about how Manual Crowd Pummelers are easier farmed for Alliance than for Horde. I hadn't thought of that.
Shadowmeld gives 1 extra Stealthlevel, making Nightelf Feral Druids the dominant player in all Stealthduels except for if playing against a Human, but then that's only in duels anyway, so. I love Shadowmeld, it's so versatile. Like Shadowmeld+Drink then Catform+Restealth all in one motion so you do not show up on the enemy screen at all and the enemy player still thinking youre sitting over there somewhere all while you are stealthing up for a new opener. Good times ^_^. But I would probably also choose Warstomp if I had to choose between the two. But they are both great fun and so versatile.
I would personally rather fight against Shamans than having to deal with Prot/Ret or Prot/Holy Paladins Reckbombing me to pieces honestly. Especially with the new Meta and how it's become common for Paladins to PvP with Proc on Hit effects like Shadow Oil and Lifesteal and sometimes Dragonbreath Chili, Maelstrom Trinket, Wyrmthalak Trinket, inherent weapon proc effect, together with Reckoning, Seal of Righteousness and spelldamage plate, Reckoning Pallies have become a complete nightmare to fight.
I frankly think the only way to beat a Reckoning Paladin as Druid is to just stand still and tank the Paladin while in Moonkin form and with Barkskin on, and *only* spam Starfire and hope for dear life that Starfire does not crit and that the Paladin hasn't been critted by someone else beforehand. Either that or stay outside of Hammer of Justice range with Travel form while spamming the Paladin with Moonfire. But if I get caught in a stun, I'm dead after having given the Paladin Moonfire crits.
Reckoning Paladins are savage against Druids. Seems almost impossible to me unless you for some lucky reason don't crit the Paladin at all. And Tanking the Paladin in Bear form is out of the question as the Paladin will outlast the Druid and Outdps the Druid as a big part of their DPS doesn't get mitigated by Armor. And Cat form crits too much and is too squishy when caught in a Hammer of Justice.
Against Warlocks, there is a Trinket in Blacksmithing that makes you immune to Fear for 30 seconds, making you able to just burst the Lock down with the Powershift combo unhindered. Also, having a Shadow Resist set hotkeyd makes it so easy.
That Blacksmithing trinket would be great if it wasn't restricted to Blacksmiths only. Having Blacksmith just for this trinket isn't worth it imo, unless you're in a position where you don't have to worry about gold making I guess.
@@VictusPrime It's so good against both Shadow Priests, Warlocks and even Warriors, that I'd consider it close to a must for max pvp, like Engineering. But goldmaking is easy enough as a Druid anyway what with AoE farming Dire Maul East doable. And you can always have an Alt like a Mage for the goldmaking.
@@VictusPrime Also, Blacksmithing is the cheap way to "enchant" all those Manual Crowd Pummelers that you have to farm as Feral, as an actual enchant will be too expensive for that weapon effect, but with Blacksmithing you can cheaply get extra attack speed on each Pummeler. So it's a good choice for several reasons.
I'm confused, you are saying that shadowmeld only can be used out of combat, but then continues with; shadowmeld can be useful in world pvp, because it makes you drop combat. But how is it possible to drop combat, if you can't use it IN combat?? I don't get it. 2:29
That outro is epic aswell!
regrettably my squad for classic will be rolling alliance.... Going to miss that war stomp!!!!!! /cry
you can always roll an alt, i mained alliance on retail and private servers and I'm not sure what I'm going to do at Classic
4:12 I always wanted to get a full entangling roots off on myself. The highest level of BM :)
A note on Tauren racial 5%hp. It´s total hp and not stam which means it´s very impactful for tanking. An alliance bear tank with kings buff will still have less hp then an unbuffed Tauren! xD
The sad thing is that paladins are the most broken class in classic (in terms of op shit they have). An alliance bear will have nearly the same hp (with kings buff) and +1% dodge.
YES! I was under the impression that it was 5% base health, heard Skarm talking about it on the deep dive. Definitely a good point Spinexus
@@Ebbnflow it was changed later (don't remember when) to 5% base health cause it was considered too op :)
@@grabeck666 it was changed in Wotlk
If I recall. The health gain from taurens is base health not total. Also nature resist affects poisons. They are counted as spells. Many videos of spell power rouge's. Anyway nice vid. Best of luck.
it's total health in classic, it became base health in tbc
Hi I am planning of rolling a feral druid for PVE. This video helps me, but what about threat? I heard that druid tanks create more threat than a warrior on a single target. Horde also has more threat problems due to missing paladin buffs. So shouldnt that be a bonus for horde druid tanks?
I have played horde druid for 3 vanilla privet servers, and have never played an alliance toon. However I feel like being crazy this time around and try Moonkin. (yeah I know...) So i feel alliance would have the better of it with BoW, and BoK and might be a little more sought after due to H Paladins... But I do love Tauren, and horde, and Warstomp... Thoughts?
Night Elves having a considerably smaller hit box are better at kitting and flag carrying. Id say overall its pretty even and the only thing that really matters is wheter you prefer horde or alliance
great video, can you pls give a tip for farming in how+ns spec? (consider there's pretty good gear like 5/8 t1 and mace from executus)
Might be worth noting on the active abilities for both races for people who've never played Vanilla WoW before in comparison to modern WoW. Tauren Druids can't use Warstomp while in any form like in retail, it's only usable while in caster form. And the Night Elf racial Shadowmeld has a 10 second cooldown, and as mentioned in the video only usable out of combat.
Interesting note on Shadowmeld, in the very early stages of Vanilla (prior to patch 1.10 I believe), it was actually possible to cast any ability while Shadowmelded and you'd remain stealthed until the ability was completed. This made Shadowmeld incredibly useful as you'd imagine, but unfortunately Blizzard thought this was too OP and it was nerfed into oblivion. It still has its uses, but I'd say it's the weakest active racial ability in Vanilla.
For pve Shadowmeld is weak but for pvp it's amazing.
T3 looks soooo sweet on NE tbh! A tauren wearing T3 looks like the clothes are struggling themselves.
dont alliiance raids take an extra resto druid due to not having an burst healer? So 3 instead of two, where horde take tons of shamans. Not sure, just asking.
That would make sense, most of my raiding has been horde side so Im not up to date on alliance raid composition, but what you said does make sense!
Hello great videos what's the spec u are using in the video?
Tauren's warstomg is just too great to make up for as a night elf
Yeah, it is amazinggg
Warstomp is beast but I hate the cow look
Why is Tauren Female preferable over Male? The question is strictly related to pvp/farming.
Yey, finally druid videos :-)
shadowmeld is the best racial trait … placing you out of combat either you pvp or pve is one of the best racials you can hope for … is incredible for any compatible class you might choose … too bad I play horde :D
Ebbn u know if there are any cosmetic consumables (like the undead elixir from tanaris) that u can use and keep active regardless of shapesifting? I wanted to play druid but i hate so much big character models like taurens and my friends wanna roll on horde side :(( In a private server i had no problem due to model editing and tmorph but in retail :((
Yes, effects from items like Noggen Fogger Elixir and Deviate Delight are still visible regardless of what form you're in.
Yeah like VictusPrime said Noggen Fogger and deviates.. but im sure once classic launches there will be a new tmorph for classic too
For PVP, Horde have a quick cast stun in caster form vs Alliance 1% more dodge, a permanent +1 rank higher prowl, and can also drink in stealth. HP bonus really only amounts to a couple hundred hp at lvl 60 so doesn't matter too much imo. Negatives for horde is the larger hit box radius due to tauren and alliance have to deal with shamans, which are SUPER hard counters to druid when played right.
For PVE, Alliance blessings are hands down better for druids (plus your not getting sham buffs period due to worriors/rogues needing windfury). Alliance bears have more HP, cats have more AP/Crt, healers have more mana/MP5, etc.
Sorry but for druids, going alliance is objectively the better choice for both PVE and PVP. The only real negative for alliance druids are shamans, but as a druid you can literally just run away from any fight you don't like.
Druid premade pvp healer seems to have a big advantage as it only competes with resto shaman (which is very rare) and priest for spots, whereas paladin is a big competition on alliance side.
(Overall as there is less heal on horde side the heal a hybrid druid provides seems more valuable on average.)
Possibly the most important factor based on the factions. Competition vs paladin heals is greater than shaman heals.
Why is there even alliance Druid in wow classic? was that not the hoard only class. Like Paladin is till Alliance only.
If it’s the same as in Vanilla, we are looking at +5% base health. That is nothing and inconsequential.
I can't believe you didn't mention Alliance Ferals get Blessing of Kings - SUCH a big deal.
Magnesia he did?
He didn't mention paladin buffs as a night elf advantage... only that he did.
You can pick herbs in travel form? I thought that was wrath onwards
yes really nice content. subbed.
Thanks!!
Anybody know what addon he is using for the durations of spells? I noticed the moonfire has a countdown after he casts it on the mobs.
Great video! I would just comment that shadowmeld + drinking is super useful in PvP situations. I don’t know if it makes NE better, but it has a lot world PvP utility!
He said that as well.
The only problem with being a Tauren Druid is that you're surrounded by the kinds of people who roll *other* Horde toons... You know, the sort who think it's edgy and cool to be villains...
Do you think it is possible to be offtank as a drood Tauren ?
Nature resist is very practical for aq40 so its not totally useless :)
Is it possible to shadowmeld getting out combat + stealth?
should remake these videos for tbc/wotlk
Druid Question.
Mark of Tyranny
Eye of the Beast
Blackhand's Breadth
Tyranny seems irreplaceable but is there trinkets that are better than Eye of the Beast
and Blackhand's Breadth for other specs?
Mark of tyranny is just so strong. Youve got to take it. Unless you KNOW you never will tank or use it for farming in PvE
@@Ebbnflow thanks for reply. thought as much, is item choices that make druid complicated when you need 4 different gear sets
@@Philmozzila yes, it definitely complicates things... but... at the same time it makes it fun to be able to have ao mamy different options!
Maybe u forgot the pasive from Shadowmeld??
Ally is for rp. Horde is for pvp
7 months later the answer is horde. World pvp happened and the alliance lost.
shadowmelt is insanly good in pvp. you can dodge fear with it, if you know the mage wants to counterspell you, he runs to you well just press it and he can do nothing, warrior wants to charge you, press it and he cant charge you ...list is endless.
if you are more careless tauren is the better choice as its a oh shit button :)
That would work.... If this was WOTLK, but it's not. In Vanilla Shadowmeld has a 10 sec cd and it's only usable out of combat. Now you can do that with a Hunter, Feign death and cast Shadowmeld.
Nature resist affects Rogue poisons too. Seems like this video had alot of half-right information.
One incomplete fact = "a lot of info" lol.
Your avatar/logo is very Night Elf inspired tho? Jst saying :P
Consider this: if you play cow you won't have to deal with undead rogues ganking your ass.
how do you lose combat with shadowmeld? i thought you cant use it in combat in classic
I think the idea is you can run away and break combat in open world pvp, at which point shadowmeld might allow you some more time to drink.
Thanks mate
In wotlk you can use Shadowmeld to disappear from casters target when casting on you and he must target you again. Its very helpful too. Its possible on vanilla?
Sadly, no. In vanilla it cannot be used in combat.
no.. sadly, shadowmeld is one of the worst vanila racials
I´m not sure what to play in classic (in terms of faction)
I played alli from BC to wrath and horde up until Legion.
I don´t dislike Tauren but i always play Orc on Horde side.
Yeah its a hard call. I would go with the faction that you enjoy the zones and cities, as that is a big portion of the game. In the end both night elf and tauren are fairly close!
Warstomp is BAE! Pick a Tauren unless you are set on playing Alliance.
Wait you said in classic you can only use shadowmeld out of combat, but then say u can use it to drop combat mid fight and get drinks off?
Why is tanking better on alliance for Druid?
1% dodge
@@christofferwhitworth8663 GoA is like 3% dodge, isn't it?
How many crowd pumelers do u need for a raid like MC?
You probably wanna bring around 3-5. I'd say bring at least 5 though as you have to take into account the possibility of wiping during the raid. More wipes = more Pummelers needed.
imagine playing as a cow instead of that cool night elf, lol
:(
If I were able to choose I would play a human druid with tauren racials, thus eliminating both obstacles of having to role a bipedal cow or closet homosexual.
In the old lore the night elves were the most brutal race on Azeroth.
@@kensaccount9133 Dainty feminine pushover? Do you not know Night Elf lore at all? Lol, they are brutal af. Also, look at the size them! They're between 6.5 and 7.5 feet tall and rugged build.
@@bosspaw4028 they're also one of the most overused races in the game
Its called iron grenade so ne get stealth and a stun
sucks I love horde but my brother who I mainly play with is talking about rolling Paladin in classic... and the thought of a night elf druid just ehh doesn't do it for me. rather be a chincy night elf hunter in av lol. gotta change his mind some how.
Yeah Horde all the way for me!!
I wish horde had better quests. But they dont, thats the only reason why i go alli. So many exciting stories there. :) and your videos are really forcing me to play druid lol :D still not sure if rogue or druid will win.. :/
My first character in classic was a rogue! Very fun but I like the versatility of druid
@@Ebbnflow ye the versatility is great, i like the stealth on both so you can choose when to open combat in pvp or avoid pvp completely by hiding. druid can heal himself, has travel form or speed boost in cat.. rogue has pick pocket for gold farm in dungeons and pick lock. i really don't know :D
I want to play druid but my friends wants to go Alliance, and i hate Elf in general... feels so bad >
5% hp vs 1% dodge, very balanced lol ...
Nicolasx2 They are somewhat comprable I guess. One just helps more in melee situations
@@Ebbnflow dodge. that 5% can be healed. You want to be able to dodge a critical blow
@@thepedofiles5042 1% dodge chance is nothing and the chance of dodging a hit, that would critically strike makes it even lower.
Like ye dodging 1 crit due to the 1% is super worth it and outscales the 5% hp but the downside on that is, it might not occure once xd.
5% hp is useful all the time and the 1% dodge chance occures like 1 time more in 100 attacks xd.
So yknow what i mean?
I d rather grab consistent lottery wins on a low value, than the 0.0001% chance on the big win xd
For feral alliance is sooo much better. Paladin buffs are the best for feral cat and tanks.
Yeah, definitely helps out to be a feral on alliance!
But you can also drink in cat form invis, or in vanilla it's not working like that? Although, going to cat form is gcd+manacost to shapeshift + breaking mp5. Regards to Shadowmeld drinking.
Yeah not in vanilla sadly :(
Well if you were on my server and wanted a good pvp experience I would definitely go hord they almost never lose
Hopefully we win on horde come classic launch... :)
@@Ebbnflow hopefully yeah any word on when classic is coming out?
@@trapsrus5611 Not yet, people think august
So, u lose 1v1 against a shaman?
Its a harder matchup, need to rely on healing touch since your hots will be purged, and the shaman can just interupt your ht cast. So you need to kite them pretty well and let them oom. You can trick them with r1 rejuvenation so they spend mana purging and oom faster. Also r1 moonfire to destroy totems
Alliance forever!
If you are truely min maxing for 🐻 tauren is superior. Tauren as a race has higher stamina and strength. Combined with strength bonus you get from picking druid you top out at a higher base damage and much higher health pool. Night elves do start with the highest agility which is the only reason they are even comparable. However night elfs two lowest stats are stamina and strength which is just bad for threat and survival reasons. Nice video i will personally be playing tauren (for the horde).
U don t speak about races like equals this is little bit a stupid, in advance night elves have batter racial and pasive abilities
macro guide please im beggin you
Its coming!! :)
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Yo Ebbn, checkout classicWoW.live. You can join the community and share your videos as guides. Your videos are very informative for druids!
Ahh, thanks for the info Max! I'll have to check it out. Defcamp used to raid with me, love that guy.
Tryi g a druid for the first time, going with night elves because I cant stand how ugly and fat tauren are. Plus the lion cat form looks kinda lame
Haha, I feel you. I like the night elf aesthetics too
but i mean tauren look stupid, i dont care if they are better who plays with a fkn cow? xD
hey man please get a pop filter or have the mic higher above your mouth :)
Okay, thanks for the tip. Hopefully it will be better in the next video!
eb ebb and ebby. love your vids