This is going on beacuse twitch is geteing really scerwed becacuse congress said to big and need to be split up and found they dmca they did not follow. And beacuse a big law suit is going to come out and kill tons of people streams really quick matters of seconds and big cash on the table
dude they literally have voluntary slavery contracts. a record deal is voluntary slavery as you leverage your name and likeness rights in exchange for the bank loan of the record deal. they don't give a fuck. and just as bad as that is that they're in the right. it's copyright law. so they win by default.
Kanye said it, Lil Xan said it, people called them both crazy. It's only after their favorite streamer gets banned that they take notice and get angry.
Well maybe if they stopped trying to evolve the industry into the trash it has become. I cannot think of an era of music that is as bad as the music today. It's horrible.
@D.K Its obvious they're doing it for the money that they are "entightled" to have earned. I think this is another case like section 230 where a government law intended to protect an industry has led to an unfair advantage in the long term.
@@GenYGaming if you do need music i highly recommend Streambeats by Harris Heller. Or try some video game music! My stream loves old school Nintendo jams ^>^
@@CodyMerritt Video game music is still TECHNICALLY not allowed to be used, most game developers tend to not bite the hands that feed them though. If someone from one of those companies didn't like you they could flag you still though.
I was watching this and thinking, "Man, I probably need to eat slower, huh?" I thought 15 minutes to eat was long, but almost half an hour is great pacing.
This... whole situation is so disgustingly unethical.. It's sad this is gonna be damn near required. The entire mindset of big business is... just sinking itself more and more
Welcome to unregulated companies doing as they wish, because there is no accountability. There is no face or singular entity, just a monolithic corporation. Whether the claims are true or false. -_-
@@kukuc96 think about it. Imagine if games and art were copyrighted as hard. Imagine if videos are taken down because we can't watch others. Now think about this. The reason why art and games aren't is because it's free advertising. Why is music so heavily copyrighted? It's because it can be taken advantage of, easy money for big companies. Even if you give sources you still aren't allowed to play it whatsoever if you're earning currency. They can copyright you and take your earnings. It's too restrictive for just an artist expressing themselves. Listening to music with an audience should be considered free advertising like with games, but it isn't because of copyright abuse. It's apparently so serious as if you're streaming a movie. Originally system to prevent others from stealing and putting their name on it... instead it's being taken advantage of, and has turned into a gunpoint situation. It's so stupid.
And other companies know this. They are there to milk the situation. I'm sure in the near future royalties are going to be dumbed down as it's borderline destructive.
@@kukuc96 I don't see how a streamer listening to music would be a valid replacement for a song. Not only is there interrupting audio, there's also a quality indifference. Also that part is untrue about gaming. I feel that was your personal opinion there. People listen to songs multiple times. They wouldn't get a good experience from someone talking over the music. It would only encourage search for the song themselves. My point stands
And about gaming, there's plenty of games that the experience is if not better with a streamer or youtuber. Many games aren't even designed to be played to multiple times. Music has that privilege. Record labels get their money from advertisement and listening numbers. Having someone introduce others would only help their numbers more than harm it.
@@CodyMerritt I got a video on youtube demonitized because one of my streams of a 20 year old game (Dark Age of Camelot) had the game's theme music in it while I loaded up a character. Now, it wasn't a DMCA takedown, and I used RUclips's tools to mute that music, but it was a serious claim. The theme music to the game belonged to AMG I think? Not sure of the owner. They absolutely are at the point where they are checking for music inside of games.
Every time someone says "I don't know why the developers..." Its not the devs, it's the business and it's marketing that's telling the devs what to do. Stop blaming engineers
@@robinhood5622 wrong. Engineers just build what the business asks for. If the business gives shit requirements or a bad design, you can't fault a dev for doing what he's been tasked to do.
@@askers_ ish. There are designers for smaller systems that are on the engineer's level and might direct a team of engineers. A lot of general things and legal stuff is the fault of company execs, but it is somewhat fair to blame some systems that function poorly on devs. No hate on devs, but no one is perfect and they aren't quite just worker drones usually
In other words don't blame you for building the gun you didn't shoot and kill the person so it's not your fault....I got a bunch of other examples, bad mindstate
@@emerykj1830 Oh for sure if a system has bugs or is built weird, then yeah 100%. But if the system isn't even there to begin with or its missing features, thats the business my dude.
@@johnosnapped725 My dude, you're out of your element, you dont know how sdlc works in a large company with business users, pmos, designers and other stakeholders. The developer almost never has any actual design without AT LEAST a wireframe and list of requirements from the business.
The only solution is for the law to be changed. It has to be changed going forward into two categories. The first category protects copyright holders by taking down any content that is distributed solely for the purpose of being consumed as it was originally created. The second category would be recognizing the value added to content by protecting the creators that use or accidentally include copywritten material. Under the current system, the inarguable market and value generated by an audience on Twitch or RUclips are being ignored full stop. It is ridiculous for platforms and the people that use them to be limited in this way due to old laws and the way those laws are enforced. It is imperative the law is changed, if the content has associated copyright it must be forced to answer a clear question before taken down: Is this the copywritten material in its native form without any added value or transformation? The answer in almost all cases that are being abused these days is no.
think about it. Imagine if games and art were copyrighted as hard. Imagine if videos are taken down because we can't watch others. Now think about this. The reason why art and games aren't is because it's free advertising. Why is music so heavily copyrighted? It's because it can be taken advantage of, easy money for big companies. Even if you give sources you still aren't allowed to play it whatsoever if you're earning currency. They can copyright you and take your earnings. It's too restrictive for just an artist expressing themselves. Listening to music with an audience should be considered free advertising like with games, but it isn't because of copyright abuse. It's apparently so serious as if you're streaming a movie. Originally system to prevent others from stealing and putting their name on it... instead it's being taken advantage of, and has turned into a gunpoint situation. It's so stupid.
What if; Spotify creates a partnership with twitch. 1. Builds a in-stream applet that displays the song and allows watchers to link to spotify. 2. Covers the rights to he songs 3. works with partners at twitch
@@bitelaserkhalif if Jeff Bezos wants to pay all the artists and such for their work to help streamers stream music during streams, sure. Otherwise, doubtful
I don't understand how the laws work for streaming in general. How is it that it's illegal to stream a movie but legal to stream a game? How is it legal to stream a game yet illegal to stream music? How is it legal to stream other people's content as long as you add in some occasional remarks? Also, when it comes to music in streams, what about source? Say Spotify vs a CD you own or even a vinyl record? So I can't DJ in a stream even if I own physical copies of all of the music? Someone answer me please because none of this makes sense. What if I am streaming me working on a song and the software thinks that it sounds too close to some other song?
You can't DJ a stream even if you own legal copies of the music, because when you bought that music you were granted the license to listen to the music privately. You were not granted the license to broadcast that music which is a whole different issue. There is also a mechanical license which is I think the right to reproduce the music physically (like burn a CD or whatever). You should look into the different types of licenses for music and get accurate details mind you, not rely on my comment :) As for the other questions, movies and tv shows also have broadcast rights that need to be paid for. Games do not have broadcast rights so you can stream them - but the music inside the game may be subject to DMCA style takedowns as well as it has the 3 different types of licensing and the game developer only paid for the right to include the music, not for it to be broadcast online. If you play music from Spotify - again you paid Spotify for the right to play the music for your own enjoyment, not to broadcast it or include it in a stream for the enjoyment of others. Look for Harris Heller's copyright free streaming music on Spotify if you want stuff you *can* include in a stream without fear of a DMCA takedown. I received a notice on RUclips that one of my videos was demonitized (not the same as a DMCA take down mind you) because some company owned the rights to the *theme music* for the game (Dark Age of Camelot) that played while I loaded up a character from the selection screen. Utterly ridiculous in my opinion but I don't own a thousand lawyers so I have no recourse to object. I used RUclips's tool to mute that audio which took ~6 hrs to mute 3 mins of music but worked in the end. Now I have all game music turned off. As for you working on your own song and the software thinking it is something copyrighted already. You are fucked. You could appeal it and pony up for the lawyers but the appeal process is not designed to favour the people receiving takedown notices, it favours the corporations. That said I haven't actually appealed anything myself, perhaps I am wrong.
@@ThatFontGuy If I buy music, physical music, I don't see how a license can apply. That seems contractual and if I buy music, I am not signing a contract. It just seems so fake and bullshit to me. If I want to DJ some vinyl on stream, I can't do that because of some ridiculous legality? The laws are dumb and blurry. So if I buy a record (dance music) I can only listen to it at home and can't use it for a DJ set at a club? If I can use it for the purposes of DJ'ing, what is the difference between playing for a big crowd and playing for a stream? These music companies suck and need to get off people's nuts. The same thing applies for Spotify. I am a heavy Spotify user. I can listen to it at home and in my car, but can't listen to it while streaming? It seems so ridiculous to me. I'm just gonna do what I want and if platforms allow for that sort of censorship then I'll just move to another platform.
@@VincentsVideoVisions I am not saying I agree with the way the legalities work, but I am aware of them to some degree and I try to avoid getting nailed for violating the laws. The Music industry has things gripped firmly in their hands sadly. The copyright laws need to be updated rather radically in light of the way things have changed since they were written. The DMCA predates RUclips, streaming etc.
I think the example you were looking for where one side of an industry was benefiting at the expense of others and then was broken up is when AT&T was a government supported monopoly up until the early 90s when’s they were forceably/legally required to break a part into smaller companies to allow for competition.
Hot take: Amazon bought Twitch to encourage Twitch viewers to buy Amazon Prime and to give itself (Amazon) a free advertising space for Amazon services.
Also on the point of Twitch over inflating their numbers, it’s nothing new. Front page views and views coming from videos played on websites in a tiny box that are not actually watched all give streamers increased and false views. Imagine being an advertiser and paying for ad space on the over inflated streamers. Money down the drain.
love linkedin, the interface looks like fb (which may or may not be a good thing) but the actual categories and function it fulfills is very different from other social media platforms. Looking for a job is much easier from my experience when recruiters can actively see my resume via linkedin. Currently im looking for a new job, recently i redid my linkedin profile and resume. Recruiters send me job postings and contact information when you turn on "actively looking for job" or "passively looking for job". Ive gotten farther going through a recruiter on linkedin than just applying through the generic companies job posting online (glassdoor, etc). These companies aren't like rando companies, ive had google recruiters message me via linkedin. ive gotten more value out of linkedin for having a nice resume and doing nothing, than any other social media platform.
I heard someone joke about how Twitch was kinda guilty of breaking a bunch of copyrights on their site and their solution when they were really getting caught for it was to tell everyone to delete the evidence and nobody really thought to question it... Bit more complicated then that you could argue, but also kinda true...
@@BigHeroSixy so you delete the vod. the point is people are playing big name artist like nothing can happen to them while everyone knows this is going on
Worst part is, if the music industry offered these platforms(twitch, youtube,tiktok etc) a way for streamers to directly pay for license that are correct and follow the rules im sure some of them would, or even donations paid will activate a song that a percentage goes back to the copyright owner, its not rocket science i just want to play music without all the confusion on license types
It's going to be used to put a strangled hold on copyright content played in-game, streamed live, edited into a video or anything. It will be another nail in the coffin of creativity.
Clap it up for Geeken he is a MVP in the community and also streams. He also Discovered yestersay Twitch still stores all vods and clips that can be accesses by the public even if you delete them and dmca can find them.
so basically every streamer is at risk, so, RUclips actually has a big opportunity to fish all of those streamers and build them their own community where they can start over
20:41 Major car companies " design" the sounds cars make from car doors to the turn signals and the engines. If i'm not mistaken they also copyright those sound designs so the program can be used for that
An accurate way of interpreting copyright legalities is to substitute 'stream/streamers' for 'broadcast/broadcasters'. They're pretty much the rules that apply. Excellent informative vid btw.
So can we get screwed over when we stream something like Madden 21 that has constant music playing in the game? Or are we forced to turn the in game music off?
Ok Devin. Thats all well and good. But how do we check if things are safe to use? If we don't know should we just not use it? Or is there someway to check
The issue is nothing is safe. Anything could change. The best example is Stream Beats. Alpha Gaming/Harris Heller runs a company called Senpai Records that makes free music for Twitch, RUclips, whatever. Let's say he sells. Or worse, forced out of business for some reason and someone buys his label and suddenly owns all his music. Suddenly every bit of content you ever made using Stream Beats is being DMCA'd. Or worse they skip right to lawsuit.
As an osu streamer, I have not had anything taken down, or been banned for anything. Osu is a dmca nightmare, I can’t monetize anything on RUclips. So far my twitch is just fine so I think people are seriously overreacting.
Yo right?! I get it, his information is in super high demand right now, and he’s probably working all day on stuff, but damn finish your food before talking.
Just want to say that amazon losing twitch would have a significant impact on their balance sheet. It wuld absolulytely be a kick in the nuts no way you swing it, but also it would have a quarterly impact not an annual won
So now comes the question: what can streamers do to make things right? I tried talking to SESAC to purchase a sync license. They told me to leave them alone, despite Twitch telling me that I needed to procure a license from SESAC for a muted song in one of my VODs years ago. If the labels won't work with streamers, it's just going to kill a whole lot of opportunities for streamers as well as artists. There's gotta be a better way...
What about games that have licensed music in there like the need for speed games? If I am streaming need for speed will we need to mute the music to stream the game?
quick note on google's adsense approach for the everyman, it's for delivering the most amount of ads which ends up actually costing significantly more and being maybe a % as effective. Great for business for google, bad for the business.
Excellent mukbang stream! Normally I'm against the concept and principal of mukbang I think it promotes unhealthy lifestyles and practices to children but this mukbang taught me a lot about DMCA for some reason
Got click baited into thinking streamers got banned in 3 seconds because of the thumbnail. Dude eating into the mic and the other guy constantly talking over others was "cool".
*We need riots in the streets to fight this off !!!* Especially the whole cover aspect. Before, only clips of the original music of more than 7 seconds were legally allowed to motivate DMCA claims (which is already pretty unfair - how can music majors shovel music into our ears and not expect it to use it ?!), but now even what comes out of anyone's mouth, *THE LATTER BEING SUPPOSED TO BE OWNED BY WHOEVER BODY IT IS FROM,* is covered. This is dystopian forcing of silence to try to pry off people from watching streamers and vtubers because they want the former to focus more on work, and because the latters have a higher concentration of artists and thinkers than normal, so they tend pose a bigger threat to the system in place. Fight off the new law of silence !!!
There is a big difference between singing a song to yourself and singing a song that is being broadcast to 25k people while some of them are sending you money.
Would a Public performance license help with the DMCA strikes? It's a $300 to $500 solution. I have a Public performance license for my work. Would that protect me from DMCA strikes? It let's me play copyrighted music online and in public.
People are looking at the claiming as a core issue, but it's not - this is not the 1st time this has happened (its a cycle of greed at this point): 1.Corp creates a platform "X" 2.Platform is small so You as a Corporate Owner of "X", You are TRAINING users that Copyright LAW does not exist (by allowing them to do what they want because nobody cares to file DMCA on something that barely anyone sees) 3.Platform grows >> Copyright Owners start paying attention 4.Users get upset at Copyright Owners and see them as pure evil and greedy entity (some labels are just that BUT among those are struggling musicians that are trying to get by and they get nothing, not even promotion from a user that streams their music) This was the case with RUclips as well - Corporate was too greedy to guide users in the beginning and as a result of this negligence, they have created an entitled mob that has a problem with copyright law and ownership UNLESS they are the victims of copyright violation. RUclips fucked up, Instagram Fucked up , Twitch fcked up and TikTOk is about to fuk up even more.
So my question... Why doesnt Twitch just buy one of these systems and then rebrand it to provide their streamers with a system to identify copyright material.
Not sure if riaa just havent fully implemented their system yet but like for example nickmercs, squishymuffins and a few others have gotten dmca'd recently but its only one? I thought they would get multiple dmca's through one 8 hr stream. Also xqc got a dmca on a clip/vod that was already deleted. So either they saved some clips before he deleted it or they can actually copy right infringe you for stuff you have even deleted already
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This is one of the most informative mukbang streams ever
omg. did you notice it took him over 30 min to eat - cant remember last time I took so long for a sandwich :D
This shit had me dying 😂😂😂
😂 he just takes such small ass bites😂
Lmao
This is going on beacuse twitch is geteing really scerwed becacuse congress said to big and need to be split up and found they dmca they did not follow. And beacuse a big law suit is going to come out and kill tons of people streams really quick matters of seconds and big cash on the table
*_God-tier title and thumbnail. Devin’s RUclipsr evolution is almost complete. Just missing bright red arrows and (EMOTIONAL)._*
it's true
Pretty impressive. Fastest I've ever went from watching a video to "do not recommend this channel"...
@@retched for good reason. 3 seconds is far from 1 hour and 20 minutes.
@@retched length of vid
@@iperson13 same actually, at least the other vod with xqc and nickmercs he actually tallked about. but pure click bait is an easy block
So basically, the music industry is money hungry, greedy and that wheel needs to collapse
But how🤔
dude they literally have voluntary slavery contracts. a record deal is voluntary slavery as you leverage your name and likeness rights in exchange for the bank loan of the record deal. they don't give a fuck. and just as bad as that is that they're in the right. it's copyright law. so they win by default.
all the bigger companies and organisations are money hungry its nothing new :P
Kanye said it, Lil Xan said it, people called them both crazy. It's only after their favorite streamer gets banned that they take notice and get angry.
The music industry is on a downward slope already. These kinds of strategies stink of a desperate attempt to hold onto relevancy.
Well maybe if they stopped trying to evolve the industry into the trash it has become. I cannot think of an era of music that is as bad as the music today. It's horrible.
America doesn't have enough laws keep big businesses in place.
I would say the Issue is the laws have become more outdated
More like outdated and more loopholes
@D.K someday I imagine, they'll have software that scans the entire internet for claims. Insta, streamable, pornhub, you name it.
@D.K Its obvious they're doing it for the money that they are "entightled" to have earned. I think this is another case like section 230 where a government law intended to protect an industry has led to an unfair advantage in the long term.
@D.K It's not like these streamers don't use other people's creation for personal financial gain...
Damn, streamers actually need to start caring if their shit is copyrighted or not.
just as i started trying to get into streaming... good thing i play ZERO music..
@@GenYGaming if you do need music i highly recommend Streambeats by Harris Heller. Or try some video game music! My stream loves old school Nintendo jams ^>^
mizkif doesn't even care about using a towel after showering, let alone DMCA
@@CodyMerritt Video game music is still TECHNICALLY not allowed to be used, most game developers tend to not bite the hands that feed them though. If someone from one of those companies didn't like you they could flag you still though.
They might even need to learn the language that everything is copyrighted.
Speed-runners:
LOSING MY WHOLE LIFE'S INCOME IN *TEN MINUTES!*
lol if speedrunners actually had income..99% of them have no viewers
24 minute mark was the first time devin spoke without food in his mouth lol
Devin eats one morsel at a time its so funny
Yeah I mean this is big content and he is just stuffing his mouth through all of it lmao I thought Devin was getting more professional lol
Information i didn't know that i needed
thank you for that. I thought I got clickbaited by the title into watching a fucking farm animal eat a grass sandwich for an hour
I was watching this and thinking, "Man, I probably need to eat slower, huh?" I thought 15 minutes to eat was long, but almost half an hour is great pacing.
Imagine ASMR streams getting DMCA'd because of breathing.
MY MAN DEVIN WITH THE HARD BOILED KNOWLEDGE
Man, this is one HARDBOILED problem!
🥚Thank you Devin. Absolute legend.
There is a streamer named StaySafe who does classic WoW. He was showing Fox election content and got DMCA in real time.
He’s stupid for doing that
This... whole situation is so disgustingly unethical.. It's sad this is gonna be damn near required. The entire mindset of big business is... just sinking itself more and more
Welcome to unregulated companies doing as they wish, because there is no accountability. There is no face or singular entity, just a monolithic corporation. Whether the claims are true or false. -_-
@@kukuc96 think about it. Imagine if games and art were copyrighted as hard. Imagine if videos are taken down because we can't watch others. Now think about this. The reason why art and games aren't is because it's free advertising.
Why is music so heavily copyrighted? It's because it can be taken advantage of, easy money for big companies. Even if you give sources you still aren't allowed to play it whatsoever if you're earning currency. They can copyright you and take your earnings.
It's too restrictive for just an artist expressing themselves.
Listening to music with an audience should be considered free advertising like with games, but it isn't because of copyright abuse. It's apparently so serious as if you're streaming a movie.
Originally system to prevent others from stealing and putting their name on it... instead it's being taken advantage of, and has turned into a gunpoint situation.
It's so stupid.
And other companies know this. They are there to milk the situation. I'm sure in the near future royalties are going to be dumbed down as it's borderline destructive.
@@kukuc96 I don't see how a streamer listening to music would be a valid replacement for a song. Not only is there interrupting audio, there's also a quality indifference. Also that part is untrue about gaming. I feel that was your personal opinion there. People listen to songs multiple times. They wouldn't get a good experience from someone talking over the music. It would only encourage search for the song themselves. My point stands
And about gaming, there's plenty of games that the experience is if not better with a streamer or youtuber. Many games aren't even designed to be played to multiple times. Music has that privilege.
Record labels get their money from advertisement and listening numbers. Having someone introduce others would only help their numbers more than harm it.
Its pretty ironic that Chinese companies are helping protect copyrighted material.
Go figure
everything is ironic
Satanic Inversion
they're not. they protected their money/income sources.
China is in everything
So when is the technology where they DMCA me for playing a song in my head going to arrive?
I don't believe you need a license for a private performance.
The DMCA is when you buy the overpriced plastic disk with their garbage and filler on it.
This is wild! Thanks to these talks from Devin I decided to stick with video game music playlists, and luckily viewers really dig it!
it's also copyright music.
@@Kharmatos13 true! All music is copyright music, but game music is not pursued. Check out Devin's DMCA list on his Discord for more details
Nintendo and square enix music to watch out
@@CodyMerritt I got a video on youtube demonitized because one of my streams of a 20 year old game (Dark Age of Camelot) had the game's theme music in it while I loaded up a character. Now, it wasn't a DMCA takedown, and I used RUclips's tools to mute that music, but it was a serious claim. The theme music to the game belonged to AMG I think? Not sure of the owner. They absolutely are at the point where they are checking for music inside of games.
Every time someone says "I don't know why the developers..."
Its not the devs, it's the business and it's marketing that's telling the devs what to do. Stop blaming engineers
@@robinhood5622 wrong. Engineers just build what the business asks for. If the business gives shit requirements or a bad design, you can't fault a dev for doing what he's been tasked to do.
@@askers_ ish. There are designers for smaller systems that are on the engineer's level and might direct a team of engineers. A lot of general things and legal stuff is the fault of company execs, but it is somewhat fair to blame some systems that function poorly on devs. No hate on devs, but no one is perfect and they aren't quite just worker drones usually
In other words don't blame you for building the gun you didn't shoot and kill the person so it's not your fault....I got a bunch of other examples, bad mindstate
@@emerykj1830 Oh for sure if a system has bugs or is built weird, then yeah 100%. But if the system isn't even there to begin with or its missing features, thats the business my dude.
@@johnosnapped725 My dude, you're out of your element, you dont know how sdlc works in a large company with business users, pmos, designers and other stakeholders. The developer almost never has any actual design without AT LEAST a wireframe and list of requirements from the business.
The only solution is for the law to be changed. It has to be changed going forward into two categories. The first category protects copyright holders by taking down any content that is distributed solely for the purpose of being consumed as it was originally created. The second category would be recognizing the value added to content by protecting the creators that use or accidentally include copywritten material. Under the current system, the inarguable market and value generated by an audience on Twitch or RUclips are being ignored full stop. It is ridiculous for platforms and the people that use them to be limited in this way due to old laws and the way those laws are enforced. It is imperative the law is changed, if the content has associated copyright it must be forced to answer a clear question before taken down: Is this the copywritten material in its native form without any added value or transformation? The answer in almost all cases that are being abused these days is no.
think about it. Imagine if games and art were copyrighted as hard. Imagine if videos are taken down because we can't watch others. Now think about this. The reason why art and games aren't is because it's free advertising.
Why is music so heavily copyrighted? It's because it can be taken advantage of, easy money for big companies. Even if you give sources you still aren't allowed to play it whatsoever if you're earning currency. They can copyright you and take your earnings.
It's too restrictive for just an artist expressing themselves.
Listening to music with an audience should be considered free advertising like with games, but it isn't because of copyright abuse. It's apparently so serious as if you're streaming a movie.
Originally system to prevent others from stealing and putting their name on it... instead it's being taken advantage of, and has turned into a gunpoint situation.
It's so stupid.
Wait, could we login to this site with all the evidence clips and listen to copyrighted music from their own site?
What if; Spotify creates a partnership with twitch. 1. Builds a in-stream applet that displays the song and allows watchers to link to spotify. 2. Covers the rights to he songs 3. works with partners at twitch
Amazon owns Twitch . . . already got problems with this plan :(
or amazon music?
@@bitelaserkhalif if Jeff Bezos wants to pay all the artists and such for their work to help streamers stream music during streams, sure. Otherwise, doubtful
These costs will get passed onto streamers in court cases as well.
I don't understand how the laws work for streaming in general. How is it that it's illegal to stream a movie but legal to stream a game? How is it legal to stream a game yet illegal to stream music? How is it legal to stream other people's content as long as you add in some occasional remarks? Also, when it comes to music in streams, what about source? Say Spotify vs a CD you own or even a vinyl record? So I can't DJ in a stream even if I own physical copies of all of the music? Someone answer me please because none of this makes sense. What if I am streaming me working on a song and the software thinks that it sounds too close to some other song?
You can't DJ a stream even if you own legal copies of the music, because when you bought that music you were granted the license to listen to the music privately. You were not granted the license to broadcast that music which is a whole different issue. There is also a mechanical license which is I think the right to reproduce the music physically (like burn a CD or whatever). You should look into the different types of licenses for music and get accurate details mind you, not rely on my comment :)
As for the other questions, movies and tv shows also have broadcast rights that need to be paid for. Games do not have broadcast rights so you can stream them - but the music inside the game may be subject to DMCA style takedowns as well as it has the 3 different types of licensing and the game developer only paid for the right to include the music, not for it to be broadcast online. If you play music from Spotify - again you paid Spotify for the right to play the music for your own enjoyment, not to broadcast it or include it in a stream for the enjoyment of others. Look for Harris Heller's copyright free streaming music on Spotify if you want stuff you *can* include in a stream without fear of a DMCA takedown. I received a notice on RUclips that one of my videos was demonitized (not the same as a DMCA take down mind you) because some company owned the rights to the *theme music* for the game (Dark Age of Camelot) that played while I loaded up a character from the selection screen. Utterly ridiculous in my opinion but I don't own a thousand lawyers so I have no recourse to object. I used RUclips's tool to mute that audio which took ~6 hrs to mute 3 mins of music but worked in the end. Now I have all game music turned off.
As for you working on your own song and the software thinking it is something copyrighted already. You are fucked. You could appeal it and pony up for the lawyers but the appeal process is not designed to favour the people receiving takedown notices, it favours the corporations. That said I haven't actually appealed anything myself, perhaps I am wrong.
@@ThatFontGuy If I buy music, physical music, I don't see how a license can apply. That seems contractual and if I buy music, I am not signing a contract. It just seems so fake and bullshit to me. If I want to DJ some vinyl on stream, I can't do that because of some ridiculous legality? The laws are dumb and blurry. So if I buy a record (dance music) I can only listen to it at home and can't use it for a DJ set at a club? If I can use it for the purposes of DJ'ing, what is the difference between playing for a big crowd and playing for a stream? These music companies suck and need to get off people's nuts. The same thing applies for Spotify. I am a heavy Spotify user. I can listen to it at home and in my car, but can't listen to it while streaming? It seems so ridiculous to me. I'm just gonna do what I want and if platforms allow for that sort of censorship then I'll just move to another platform.
@@VincentsVideoVisions I am not saying I agree with the way the legalities work, but I am aware of them to some degree and I try to avoid getting nailed for violating the laws. The Music industry has things gripped firmly in their hands sadly. The copyright laws need to be updated rather radically in light of the way things have changed since they were written. The DMCA predates RUclips, streaming etc.
I think the example you were looking for where one side of an industry was benefiting at the expense of others and then was broken up is when AT&T was a government supported monopoly up until the early 90s when’s they were forceably/legally required to break a part into smaller companies to allow for competition.
I'm afraid I know EXACTLY how this DMCA debacle will end: it will end when Twitch goes out of business!
Monstercat Gold costs 4.99 a month for a content creators license! May not be big name stuff but I have found it very useful.
Never watched videos that long of someone that often. Nice content dude 👌
Hot take: Amazon bought Twitch to encourage Twitch viewers to buy Amazon Prime and to give itself (Amazon) a free advertising space for Amazon services.
Also on the point of Twitch over inflating their numbers, it’s nothing new. Front page views and views coming from videos played on websites in a tiny box that are not actually watched all give streamers increased and false views. Imagine being an advertiser and paying for ad space on the over inflated streamers. Money down the drain.
love linkedin, the interface looks like fb (which may or may not be a good thing) but the actual categories and function it fulfills is very different from other social media platforms. Looking for a job is much easier from my experience when recruiters can actively see my resume via linkedin. Currently im looking for a new job, recently i redid my linkedin profile and resume. Recruiters send me job postings and contact information when you turn on "actively looking for job" or "passively looking for job". Ive gotten farther going through a recruiter on linkedin than just applying through the generic companies job posting online (glassdoor, etc). These companies aren't like rando companies, ive had google recruiters message me via linkedin. ive gotten more value out of linkedin for having a nice resume and doing nothing, than any other social media platform.
Saw him coming up with title ideas on stream, actually quality content
Huge stream tonight dude!!!
Heck yeah! So many new people!
Feels like the music industry is gearing up to knockout anybody playing music anywhere.
I heard someone joke about how Twitch was kinda guilty of breaking a bunch of copyrights on their site and their solution when they were really getting caught for it was to tell everyone to delete the evidence and nobody really thought to question it...
Bit more complicated then that you could argue, but also kinda true...
it baffles me that streamers know this is going on and still play the same playlists rather then the tons of copyright free music that is available...
It can be licensed later and you get flagged later. This has happened on youtube. Technically NOTHING is safe depending on what people want to do.
@@BigHeroSixy so you delete the vod. the point is people are playing big name artist like nothing can happen to them while everyone knows this is going on
Worst part is, if the music industry offered these platforms(twitch, youtube,tiktok etc) a way for streamers to directly pay for license that are correct and follow the rules im sure some of them would, or even donations paid will activate a song that a percentage goes back to the copyright owner, its not rocket science i just want to play music without all the confusion on license types
Incredible tech and this guy had great insight into it, hopefully we’ll see it used for good!
It's going to be used to put a strangled hold on copyright content played in-game, streamed live, edited into a video or anything. It will be another nail in the coffin of creativity.
Devin getting more consistent with the titles and thumbnails, well done.
Clap it up for Geeken he is a MVP in the community and also streams. He also Discovered yestersay Twitch still stores all vods and clips that can be accesses by the public even if you delete them and dmca can find them.
That’s not how the radio worked, it’s called HDRadio and it just sends a header with the song name, there’s no audio processing going on.
at first I thought it was recorded in post
Super interesting stuff. Thanks for making content on this.
35:46 My jaw dropped so low...
I was waiting for you to do something like this after you started mentioning it! :)
This is absolutely insane
It's America. Would you expect anything different?
@@synchronium24 Right, the only time they get off their greasy asses is to screw hundreds of others over
Devin eats like a 1 year old kid and i cant get over it
Huh?
I thought the same dude.
How did u want him to eat? Tucked in with a knife and fork? Wtf lol get a life
@@P1DZz WeirdChamp
@@JustAGooseman didnt ask
Thanks for releasing this early Devin
36:40 this guy had me rolling xDD
so basically every streamer is at risk, so, RUclips actually has a big opportunity to fish all of those streamers and build them their own community where they can start over
Congrats Devin on getting 100k Subs
20:41 Major car companies " design" the sounds cars make from car doors to the turn signals and the engines. If i'm not mistaken they also copyright those sound designs so the program can be used for that
relying on twitch for an income will lead to failure
Thumbnail and Title on point!!!
that food + throat voice is triggering something inside me ;_;
Egg gang!
Thanks for the years of great information
An accurate way of interpreting copyright legalities is to substitute 'stream/streamers' for 'broadcast/broadcasters'. They're pretty much the rules that apply. Excellent informative vid btw.
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Perfect thumbnail to go with an amazing talk!
So can we get screwed over when we stream something like Madden 21 that has constant music playing in the game? Or are we forced to turn the in game music off?
Ok Devin. Thats all well and good. But how do we check if things are safe to use? If we don't know should we just not use it? Or is there someway to check
The issue is nothing is safe. Anything could change. The best example is Stream Beats. Alpha Gaming/Harris Heller runs a company called Senpai Records that makes free music for Twitch, RUclips, whatever.
Let's say he sells. Or worse, forced out of business for some reason and someone buys his label and suddenly owns all his music. Suddenly every bit of content you ever made using Stream Beats is being DMCA'd. Or worse they skip right to lawsuit.
As an osu streamer, I have not had anything taken down, or been banned for anything. Osu is a dmca nightmare, I can’t monetize anything on RUclips. So far my twitch is just fine so I think people are seriously overreacting.
You’ll get hit
what I don't understand is how are they allowed to claim the WHOLE video over 10s clip of a song?
It is just me or does Devin hold his fork weirdly?
I actually got an ad on this video for music on Twitch by some random company. "Avoid copyright claims" and that. Hmmm 👀
skipped 30 minutes off the start of this. People speaking with their mouths full makes my skin crawl.
Nevermind. It's most of the video.
Yo right?! I get it, his information is in super high demand right now, and he’s probably working all day on stuff, but damn finish your food before talking.
If that annoys you, You have serious problems
If you couldn’t tell it annoys me, you have serious reading comprehension problems
Every video I watch of Devin, he's chowing down on some next-level munch.
Just imagine when they start doing social media platforms like Instagram ..
they can't, instagram stars don't get paid through ad sense. they get paid outside of instagram
Full time streamer gets infiltrated by the EGG GANG 🐣
The standard wouldn't be beyond a reasonable doubt, it's preponderance of the evidence, which would be much much lower
While I know you can't fight the copyright holders the fact that twitch auto bans false dmca claims is scary and dangerous af.
good stream today devin, peace and love man
Just want to say that amazon losing twitch would have a significant impact on their balance sheet. It wuld absolulytely be a kick in the nuts no way you swing it, but also it would have a quarterly impact not an annual won
thanks for the dope video
Playing copyrighted music should be considered free advertisement and should not be a thing. All music should be usable in videos or streams.
lol EvE online....there is no other time sink like that game. so amazing yet so aggravating
o7
So now comes the question: what can streamers do to make things right? I tried talking to SESAC to purchase a sync license. They told me to leave them alone, despite Twitch telling me that I needed to procure a license from SESAC for a muted song in one of my VODs years ago. If the labels won't work with streamers, it's just going to kill a whole lot of opportunities for streamers as well as artists.
There's gotta be a better way...
What about games that have licensed music in there like the need for speed games? If I am streaming need for speed will we need to mute the music to stream the game?
GREAT VID DEVIN
good thumbnail devin
Such an egging situation.
Why does Devin not know how to eat?
And thats why I only use non copyrighted music
quick note on google's adsense approach for the everyman, it's for delivering the most amount of ads which ends up actually costing significantly more and being maybe a % as effective. Great for business for google, bad for the business.
I can't wait for the entertainment lawyer's say on this matter.
You know this is probably the direct result of Amazon buying Twitch and record companies eventually smelling blood/money in the water.
Excellent mukbang stream! Normally I'm against the concept and principal of mukbang I think it promotes unhealthy lifestyles and practices to children but this mukbang taught me a lot about DMCA for some reason
Got click baited into thinking streamers got banned in 3 seconds because of the thumbnail. Dude eating into the mic and the other guy constantly talking over others was "cool".
*We need riots in the streets to fight this off !!!*
Especially the whole cover aspect. Before, only clips of the original music of more than 7 seconds were legally allowed to motivate DMCA claims (which is already pretty unfair - how can music majors shovel music into our ears and not expect it to use it ?!), but now even what comes out of anyone's mouth, *THE LATTER BEING SUPPOSED TO BE OWNED BY WHOEVER BODY IT IS FROM,* is covered.
This is dystopian forcing of silence to try to pry off people from watching streamers and vtubers because they want the former to focus more on work, and because the latters have a higher concentration of artists and thinkers than normal, so they tend pose a bigger threat to the system in place.
Fight off the new law of silence !!!
There is a big difference between singing a song to yourself and singing a song that is being broadcast to 25k people while some of them are sending you money.
Why is the mixer I'm going to buy in the background?
Would a Public performance license help with the DMCA strikes? It's a $300 to $500 solution. I have a Public performance license for my work. Would that protect me from DMCA strikes? It let's me play copyrighted music online and in public.
Devin over here eating a buffet
Great video! Twitch is kinda annoying rn but hopefully get better 🤷
If he knew this part of his stream was going to be a RUclips video why would he not wait to eat after this part was over?
Bro eats like a toddler
People are looking at the claiming as a core issue, but it's not - this is not the 1st time this has happened (its a cycle of greed at this point):
1.Corp creates a platform "X"
2.Platform is small so You as a Corporate Owner of "X", You are TRAINING users that Copyright LAW does not exist (by allowing them to do what they want because nobody cares to file DMCA on something that barely anyone sees)
3.Platform grows >> Copyright Owners start paying attention
4.Users get upset at Copyright Owners and see them as pure evil and greedy entity (some labels are just that BUT among those are struggling musicians that are trying to get by and they get nothing, not even promotion from a user that streams their music)
This was the case with RUclips as well - Corporate was too greedy to guide users in the beginning and as a result of this negligence, they have created an entitled mob that has a problem with copyright law and ownership UNLESS they are the victims of copyright violation.
RUclips fucked up, Instagram Fucked up , Twitch fcked up and TikTOk is about to fuk up even more.
extremely educational!
this video should be titled Devin Nash eats for 1 hour 18 minutes and 37 seconds
So my question... Why doesnt Twitch just buy one of these systems and then rebrand it to provide their streamers with a system to identify copyright material.
this is where youtube helps you remove the music from your video and keep the audio..
Not sure if riaa just havent fully implemented their system yet but like for example nickmercs, squishymuffins and a few others have gotten dmca'd recently but its only one? I thought they would get multiple dmca's through one 8 hr stream.
Also xqc got a dmca on a clip/vod that was already deleted. So either they saved some clips before he deleted it or they can actually copy right infringe you for stuff you have even deleted already