no need to apologize for driving a miata top down :) you are doing it right. I try to roll down the top whenever possible, i absolutely hate rainy days. good video as always
ND1 owner with stoptech c43 kit and yeah the brakes are weird. This is probably due to some braking algorithm put in by Mazda that doesn't work well with aggressive track pads and sticky tires. I quote straight from the owners manual "When the brake pedal is depressed hard or depressed more quickly, the brakes apply more firmly. NOTE: - When the brake pedal is depressed hard or depressed more quickly, the pedal will feel softer but the brakes will apply more firmly."
@@SereneSpeed No idea I gave up and just brake a little earlier and brake softer i.e. no stabbing the brake pedal. This may have changed with the ND3, I believe Dave Coleman talks about it or something along the lines of a track mode in one of the latest ND3 videos from Savagegeese.
@@Zygrenemost newish cars add brake assist as the common person doesn’t apply enough in emergency situations. I had to disable all of it in my e9x cars when on track.
If my 2004 Mazda RX8 that I’ve own for 16 years ever dies like everyone kept telling me it would ( which it has not ) I will walk right to Mazda and get my myself ND3. This car was build for those that love driving
@@86surge90 about 118K of a combination of daily driving and hard track use. I bought a Camaro SS 1LE so the RX8 will become more a Miata like weekend car again. Before it was mostly track use. If you are interested I made a video on my channel that goes over in detail of what it was like owing the car all these years.
I grew up with RX7’s and had a chance to drive the RX8 at the Skip Barber school at Laguna Seca many years ago, and it is a truly wonderful chassis that doesn’t get enough love. There aren’t many cars that truly feel balanced, with connection to the throttle, allowing off throttle oversteer, but that’s the RX8. It’s a wonderful car to drive on track.
@@joeracer302 NC miata is on the same chassis (just shorter wheelbase).. should have similar characteristics (i havent driven one recently).. My ND1 will definitely do liftoff oversteer and trailbraking without even blinking
Something is quirky about ND brakes imo. The amount of work it took to make my ND2s brakes feel up to par was far more than I would expect out of a 2300lbs car. Almost felt as if I didn't have enough brake boosting or something. Not sure. But it's a bizarre thing for such a tiny, low power car.
S2000 is a fantastic car. I've owned one for over a decade. I went over to GR Supra but no doubt for the same money as a high mileage S2000 in canada, you can walk away with a Miata and warranty.
ND miata has a few shortcomings that need to be addressed and once they are it’s a far superior track car. The stock S2k doesn’t need the same upgrades but needs A LOT more to keep up with the ND Miata once the few small shortcomings are addressed. Sounds like you’re salty about how the ND Miata is an objectively better performing car than an S2k. Time to sell the S2k to get a Miata 😉
@@stevemartegani I got mine for 42k.. put 11k miles on it.. sold it to dealership for 45.5k lolol edit: i got lucky.. had an FK8 before that.. 39k purchased.. and same deal, lol.. put 10k miles on it and sold it to carmax for 47.5k
@@dre32pitt I bought mine new for $4500 off MSRP since it was sitting on the lot for 6 months. The transmission grenaded on Thunderhill West of all things (I felt like it was having issues from day 1).
Nice video, however, I have one suggestion to improve your driving and lap times. You are apexing way too early on your corners, which puts you way out of position for the next corner.
@@Zygrene Seeeeeee.. I told you the Teggy was a bad idea for you lol.. You need RWD or AWD w/RWD bias.. that's your happy place.. The real question is.. where do you want the engine to be??? FR, MR, or RR
@@Zygrene I hear you.. Yea, it does make for a great daily.. i had an FK8 for about a year and it was probably the best hot hatch i owned (ive owned several...), BUT.. not the most fun.. That would be the Fiesta ST, which is my 'beater' (second one ive bought too).. FR... you looking new or used? New.. pickins is slim for sure.. Used, there's almost too many choices lol.. All the stuff that comes to mind is your typical track stuff.. Miata.. Twins.. e36.. e46.. Just gotta drive stuff and see what talks to you.. Random, but what about a 1LE camaro.. but not the v8 (hear me out).. the 4 cylinder turbo is quite good (Randy Pobst loves his) and the v6 actually sounds pretty goddamn good with the performance exhaust.. Everyone's done the v8, but dont see too much on these other powerplant options.. we know the chassis is fantastic, so that's good.. Probably harder to find, but cheaper than the v8 1le.. just a thought :). happy hunting!
@@DeanBKK FR = front engine, rear wheel drive. RR = rear engine, rear wheel drive (only used in Porsche 911's). MR = mid engine, rear wheel drive. FF = front engine, front wheel drive. I learned this back in the 90's from Gran Turismo 1 on the PS1 as a kid lmao.
I felt same when I had s2000. I couldn’t bear attention with top down. I got over it only with hat on for some reason. Literally only thing stopping me from buying another
@@lamesamelame Just overfill by .5-1qt and call it a day.. Get an accusump if you're really worried ($800).. I too prefer the ND (I have an ND1).. Just sharper responses than the twins.. But you do need a second car.. or at least most people do (i did just the miata for about 3-4 months then picked up a FiST.. got tired of limiting my costco runs lolol) Edit: and my ND1 and FiST cost less, total, than a new Gr86/BRZ
@@dre32pittmisha came out with a new video of their gr86 and it’s having a sort of sludge issue and spun a bearing I believe because of the rtv possibly, fortunately Toyota are coming out with new sports cars in the near future
@@dmeets it's a solid product, there is good FB group and people fairly often sell theirs if you are open to a used one. And they often go on sale for big holidays.
Ecoboost is better in a straight line, cargo space, and comfort, but the Miata has better cornering, convertible, and a superior gearbox. Which equals more fun, with that being said Miata>>>
Hard question. I prefer the approachability of the GR86/BRZ chassis and the extra power, but objectively the ND probably handles better. Light weight + double wishbone is hard to beat.
Easy... If you can only have one car, go with the twins.. if you can have more than one car, go with The Answer + 'DD/beater'.. that's my current setup after 2 decades of buying compromise vehicles (hot hatches/sedans).. More, in this case, is actually more :)
@@Zygreneinteresting to hear to get a modded one. I was mainly looking at 70-120k examples that are stock so I have a clean slate to start with but that would be pushing it in the $22-30k range bay area pricing
I'm only here to say How dare you. Did Heath put you up to this title? How dare he haha. I won't allow any negatives being said about Honda's flagship S2000 in comparison to this "Miata".
I'd certainly hope something developed 15 years later would be better. I think the fact that the S2000 is still a benchmark so many years later is a testament to it's engineering.
Totally agree. The ND and GR86 has surpassed the S2K but the fact that a 20 year old S2K is still the benchmark and arguably is just as fast speaks volumes!
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no need to apologize for driving a miata top down :) you are doing it right. I try to roll down the top whenever possible, i absolutely hate rainy days. good video as always
Top down is the only way.. I have my FiST for rainy days :)
Rainy day sad because no top down, but happy because easy skids
rainy day is drift day .. u should find fun with miata in all weather
i like the commentary on-screen over the driving as someone who is doing their best to learn
ND1 owner with stoptech c43 kit and yeah the brakes are weird. This is probably due to some braking algorithm put in by Mazda that doesn't work well with aggressive track pads and sticky tires. I quote straight from the owners manual
"When the brake pedal is depressed hard or depressed more quickly, the brakes apply more firmly.
NOTE:
- When the brake pedal is depressed hard or depressed more quickly, the pedal will feel softer but the brakes will apply more firmly."
@@taol8258 wow. That "note" makes no logical sense. But it's exactly what I felt.
Seems as if it adds more boost/assist under hard braking. Maybe to reduce fatigue for frequent / endurance racing? Or for safety for little legs haha?
@@SereneSpeed No idea I gave up and just brake a little earlier and brake softer i.e. no stabbing the brake pedal. This may have changed with the ND3, I believe Dave Coleman talks about it or something along the lines of a track mode in one of the latest ND3 videos from Savagegeese.
@@taol8258 indeed think they addressed it since was a complaint from people tracking
@@Zygrenemost newish cars add brake assist as the common person doesn’t apply enough in emergency situations. I had to disable all of it in my e9x cars when on track.
Did she say to twerk at 6:15? I'll try it if you think it'll make me faster...
LOL
😂😂😂
If my 2004 Mazda RX8 that I’ve own for 16 years ever dies like everyone kept telling me it would ( which it has not ) I will walk right to Mazda and get my myself ND3. This car was build for those that love driving
How many miles on the rx-8?
@@86surge90 about 118K of a combination of daily driving and hard track use. I bought a Camaro SS 1LE so the RX8 will become more a Miata like weekend car again. Before it was mostly track use. If you are interested I made a video on my channel that goes over in detail of what it was like owing the car all these years.
I grew up with RX7’s and had a chance to drive the RX8 at the Skip Barber school at Laguna Seca many years ago, and it is a truly wonderful chassis that doesn’t get enough love. There aren’t many cars that truly feel balanced, with connection to the throttle, allowing off throttle oversteer, but that’s the RX8. It’s a wonderful car to drive on track.
@@joeracer302 I agree. Cars like the RX8 are becoming extinct unfortunately
@@joeracer302 NC miata is on the same chassis (just shorter wheelbase).. should have similar characteristics (i havent driven one recently).. My ND1 will definitely do liftoff oversteer and trailbraking without even blinking
Looks so good
Something is quirky about ND brakes imo. The amount of work it took to make my ND2s brakes feel up to par was far more than I would expect out of a 2300lbs car. Almost felt as if I didn't have enough brake boosting or something. Not sure. But it's a bizarre thing for such a tiny, low power car.
100% agree
You have the Brembos?
@@sdlausen1 Wilwood 6 pistons with 12.88 rotors, G-Loc R12s. It does ok but still not flawless. Could see a AP racing Radi-CAL in my future.
@@GoDriveMX5 look up Miataspeed. They make a brake booster controller that might help you out.
Could it possibly be a rotor + pad compound combination?
I’ve found stoptech rotors to be a good baseline to measure performance.
Great track review and build!
S2000 is a fantastic car. I've owned one for over a decade. I went over to GR Supra but no doubt for the same money as a high mileage S2000 in canada, you can walk away with a Miata and warranty.
Fabulous car, great without any engine mods, impressive driving! Is that Garmin Catalyst AI talking?
24 years after launch of the S2000 people is trying to kill the car upgrading modern cars to catch a stock s2k
ND miata has a few shortcomings that need to be addressed and once they are it’s a far superior track car. The stock S2k doesn’t need the same upgrades but needs A LOT more to keep up with the ND Miata once the few small shortcomings are addressed. Sounds like you’re salty about how the ND Miata is an objectively better performing car than an S2k. Time to sell the S2k to get a Miata 😉
Agreed! Can't eff with the tuned s2k in NA, supercharged or especially turbo form. Do some research
Please someone race my s2k. I'm in socal
@@sams9678what are the shortcomings that need to be addressed? Looking to upgrade mine
It gives the s2000 a run for its money on fun factor. But what about lap times? Unless I missed that info in the video.
2:23 holy grip 🤘
Well damn, faster than my STI Type-RA was with RE71Rs and a tune on just that first lap...
heh, what badge # Type-RA? I had 'Tax Day'.. #415
@@dre32pitt I had 196. Wish I kept it longer, sold it before the pandemic price bump lol
@@stevemartegani I got mine for 42k.. put 11k miles on it.. sold it to dealership for 45.5k lolol
edit: i got lucky.. had an FK8 before that.. 39k purchased.. and same deal, lol.. put 10k miles on it and sold it to carmax for 47.5k
@@dre32pitt I bought mine new for $4500 off MSRP since it was sitting on the lot for 6 months. The transmission grenaded on Thunderhill West of all things (I felt like it was having issues from day 1).
@@stevemartegani Never tracked mine.. just threw on a AWE track on it and made noise everywhere i went lol
Is that a gps for track use ?
What a nice car, and nice driver too. Which rear spoiler is that one? where can I find it?
Nice video, however, I have one suggestion to improve your driving and lap times. You are apexing way too early on your corners, which puts you way out of position for the next corner.
I can't wait for you get another RWD track car
Same. Maybe next year.
@@Zygrene Seeeeeee.. I told you the Teggy was a bad idea for you lol.. You need RWD or AWD w/RWD bias.. that's your happy place.. The real question is.. where do you want the engine to be??? FR, MR, or RR
@@dre32pitt ideally FR. Easiest to control. Will probably keep the Integra either way though. Love it as a daily
@@Zygrene I hear you.. Yea, it does make for a great daily.. i had an FK8 for about a year and it was probably the best hot hatch i owned (ive owned several...), BUT.. not the most fun.. That would be the Fiesta ST, which is my 'beater' (second one ive bought too)..
FR... you looking new or used? New.. pickins is slim for sure.. Used, there's almost too many choices lol.. All the stuff that comes to mind is your typical track stuff.. Miata.. Twins.. e36.. e46.. Just gotta drive stuff and see what talks to you..
Random, but what about a 1LE camaro.. but not the v8 (hear me out).. the 4 cylinder turbo is quite good (Randy Pobst loves his) and the v6 actually sounds pretty goddamn good with the performance exhaust.. Everyone's done the v8, but dont see too much on these other powerplant options.. we know the chassis is fantastic, so that's good.. Probably harder to find, but cheaper than the v8 1le.. just a thought :). happy hunting!
E36 with S65
2:34 what do you mean by "lightweight FR"? What does FR mean? Nice video and review!
(F)ront engine, (R)ear wheel drive
@@ftovr2957 Thanks. First time seeing this acronym written in text form.
@@DeanBKK No probs. There is certainly a lot of shorthand to absorb lol
@@DeanBKK FR = front engine, rear wheel drive. RR = rear engine, rear wheel drive (only used in Porsche 911's). MR = mid engine, rear wheel drive. FF = front engine, front wheel drive.
I learned this back in the 90's from Gran Turismo 1 on the PS1 as a kid lmao.
To get a setup like this ND2 car does buying any trim model work?
That looks fun.
now this is actually a miata
what's the spring rate? can't find on their website
I’m too ugly to drive with the top down.
I felt same when I had s2000. I couldn’t bear attention with top down. I got over it only with hat on for some reason. Literally only thing stopping me from buying another
I'd love to copy this setup. Do you know how much it cost give or take?
That's about $15k in mods
BBK is probably $4k
TE37 are probably $3-4k.
Tires $800-1000k
Seat $2k
Coilovers $2-3k.
Exhaust who knows. $1k?
You get the idea. Not cheap.
Around $15k sounds right, but I don't know how much the owner paid
About $50k all brand new car/mods or you could get a Camaro SS1LE/Supra your choice
@MikeFoster1 I actually own a 3.0 supra. Want to put a nd1/2 miata next to it because I miss low powered manual rwd shenanigans
I would consider this IF Mazda offered a coupe.. i need additional interior storage area.
GR86 if you can only have 1 car.. ND if you can have a 'beater' as well
I too wish they sold a coupe or something even more sporty. But the RF is right there
@@dre32pitt Subaru Engine. No, I would Not consider that car.
@@lamesamelame Just overfill by .5-1qt and call it a day.. Get an accusump if you're really worried ($800).. I too prefer the ND (I have an ND1).. Just sharper responses than the twins.. But you do need a second car.. or at least most people do (i did just the miata for about 3-4 months then picked up a FiST.. got tired of limiting my costco runs lolol)
Edit: and my ND1 and FiST cost less, total, than a new Gr86/BRZ
@@dre32pittmisha came out with a new video of their gr86 and it’s having a sort of sludge issue and spun a bearing I believe because of the rtv possibly, fortunately Toyota are coming out with new sports cars in the near future
Is that the lap timer giving audio cues on how to approach the next corner? If so which lap timer is it?
It's the Garmin Catalyst
@@mochanges Thanks, will need to read up on it. Currently Miata shopping for a track car.
@@dmeets it's a solid product, there is good FB group and people fairly often sell theirs if you are open to a used one. And they often go on sale for big holidays.
The exhaust looks more like a Greddy SP, than a HKS.
How are you finding the Catalyst?
It's great for my use case because it's an extra video source if my GoPros fail, plus I find the advanced coaching feature fairly useful
How would you compare this vs a mustang ecoboost?
I think the MX-5 is far funnier 😅
Ecoboost is better in a straight line, cargo space, and comfort, but the Miata has better cornering, convertible, and a superior gearbox. Which equals more fun, with that being said Miata>>>
Miata is far superior
To me yes so I don’t have to worry about spare parts or it being clapped out
This or GR86? 👀
Hard question. I prefer the approachability of the GR86/BRZ chassis and the extra power, but objectively the ND probably handles better. Light weight + double wishbone is hard to beat.
Is that even a serious question? Mazda's engine won't blow up on hard right hand turns.
Easy... If you can only have one car, go with the twins.. if you can have more than one car, go with The Answer + 'DD/beater'.. that's my current setup after 2 decades of buying compromise vehicles (hot hatches/sedans).. More, in this case, is actually more :)
S2K is better than both, but not the best daily.
@@z32luvr define “better”
Dommage que la boîte de vitesse soit en verre.
Un vrai problème sur cette génération de mx5.
La mx5 nc est une base plus sûre
They fixed it later on
@@BitcoinTo150Kabsolument pas, les modèles 2023 sont particulièrement touchés sur les ND2.
So would you still buy a s2000 over a nd in today’s market? 😂
If its a clean example, yes, all day
That's a hard question. Probably depends on the condition of the S2K and what mods it already has. I wouldn't buy a stock one at this point.
@@Zygreneinteresting to hear to get a modded one. I was mainly looking at 70-120k examples that are stock so I have a clean slate to start with but that would be pushing it in the $22-30k range bay area pricing
@@WatchingRUclipsVidyou can get
Did you guys watch the speed academy K24 NC Miata? I think that's the true S2000 killer and there lap times proved it
what is talking to you?
Is it giving driving advice?1?!?!
Oh boi...i challenge any brz, frs, miata with tune NA. Inlike my chsnces with my weight reduced & tuned ap2. Old @ss s2k keeps yall aiming lmao.
It will give it a run for its money but won’t catch it. That’s the moral to this story.
you're gonna piss off my s2k
How? S2K is better.
@@z32luvr is it though? Is over 15 years old now and not really competitive anymore. The hype from people is keeping it relevant.
S2000’s handle poorly standard
I'm only here to say How dare you. Did Heath put you up to this title? How dare he haha. I won't allow any negatives being said about Honda's flagship S2000 in comparison to this "Miata".
I'm just here to trigger VTEC loyalists. Mission accomplished lol
then you need to drive an ND
S2K is still king 25 years later. Don’t kid yourselves.
A stock ND2 is objectively better than an S2000. It's like comparing an NA to an S2000.
I'd certainly hope something developed 15 years later would be better. I think the fact that the S2000 is still a benchmark so many years later is a testament to it's engineering.
Totally agree. The ND and GR86 has surpassed the S2K but the fact that a 20 year old S2K is still the benchmark and arguably is just as fast speaks volumes!
Incorrect.
S2K is still way better. What are you guys talking about?
N'importe quoi la comparaison est totalement à côté de la plaque